 Well, good evening, everyone. Welcome to this meeting of the Climate and Environment Advisory Committee. I'm Councillor Jeff Harvey. I'm chairing this meeting. Normally it would be people hailing, but she can't be here this evening. My Vice-Chair, would you like to introduce yourself, Martin? I'm Councillor Martin Cowan. I'm from... I'm a member for Histon, Impington, Oxford Park. And Councillor Beppark. Good evening. My name is Paul Beppark. I'm councillor for Milton More Beach. And I see we also have Leader Bridget Smith and Cabinet Member for Planning with us. Would you like to introduce yourselves? Good evening. Bridget Smith, Leader of the Council. Good evening. To me Hawkins, Member for Codicot Ward and the Leader Cabinet Member for Planning Policy and Delivery. Thank you. Would you just like to continue on from to me, our officers, with us tonight? Thanks. I'm Paul Froehner. I'm the Assistant Director of Strategy and Economy. John Dixon, Planning Policy Manager. And I'm Liz Watts, Chief Executive. Good evening, everyone. Thank you very much. Well, as you all know, we've just come out of a very extended session of the Scrutiny Committee, Scrutiny Review Committee, where we did actually cover a lot of subject matter, particularly on this new local plan and around environment, biodiversity, climate issues. And given the lateness of the hour, I'm going to suggest that, as very fortunately the three members making the meeting call at now, but also in the previous Scrutiny Meeting, that I'm going to suggest that, firstly, I cut the preamble very short, and now hopefully suggest that if anyone has any further questions that weren't covered in the previous meeting, so it's got to be a new question, and please make them very short, because we can just get this done in a kind of, probably a record time. So, Councillor Behrpark, do you have another question, perhaps? I just have a couple of comments, one quite short, the other one a little bit longer. Just on page 160 or 142, I'm not sure. There is a diagram showing winter and summer increase in temperatures and increase in rainfall. It would be good if there was a source associated with that, so we understood where that came from. And the other point I wanted to make was related to active travel policy, sustainable transport and connectivity, IST. I sometimes feel that active travel is a bit of an afterthought when it comes to development, and I know there's lots of work going on to try and improve active travel, but I wondered if it's possible to, the policy is framed in some way around the spatial development of sites. Just giving the example of Water Beach, the spatial framework has the main road slicing through the middle of the site, which means that from an active travel point of view, it means that all active travel journeys or a very large number of active travel journeys have to cross that main road. And I'd like to think of some work done on more innovative spatial frameworks that support much more active travel. That's really my own comment. Thank you, Councillor Wood. Would any of the officers care to comment on that? I think that both points are noted, and my colleagues might want to come in with a bit of further detail, but obviously this is still quite the early stages of that piece of work, in terms of the strategy in that very first standard of strategy, which I understand is important, but add into that especially in the sustainable travel piece. So I think it's fair to say that we are still at an early stage of the preparation of the local plan. And you may be familiar with the work looking at North East Cambridge, which is at a more advanced stage. So in that document very much looked at having the station, the connection to the busway and so on, how does a spatial framework take advantage of those modes as much as possible. So we're only at the start of that journey on the airport site. Certainly even more so at Campbell with its being a broad location. So we have got a lot of work to do, but I would hope we'll very much explore those issues through those other sites as much as we are exploring them at North East Cambridge. OK, thank you. Well, I see we've joined online by Councillor Pippa Haleyings, who would normally be sharing this. I think it's admissible. I think you had a question, Pippa. Can you hear me? It's really a congratulation. I think both of me have this mission but also the way to get a great reward and a valuable, I think, responses to the evidence there. What is around the green infrastructure and open space being? And it's around the minimum distance act that's open space progressive. I just wanted to know what the most important thing that's here out of that before in the current panel we have and whether or not they're looking at including something like that. Thank you, Councillor Haleyings. Any comment on that from our panel? So one of the issues we know we need to follow up more is looking at open space standards. The green infrastructure opportunity mapping study very much looked at what alternatives there are regarding standards, but it is an area we acknowledge we need for the work. It's a challenging area because we know we've got to get the right sort of standards that work for our area because some of the nationally set standards don't necessarily work everywhere. So I don't have the answer for you today other than to say, yes, it's on the list and I think it's acknowledged in the plan that's an area we want to look at further over the next period before we get to that draft plan. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Haleyings, for the question. Also I notice, Leader Bridgesmith, you had your hand up. Thank you very much. I just wanted to pick up on Councillor Bearpart's comment about sustainable travel. So it's interesting to hear that we're at the early stage of this and there's further work to be done. So it's reasonably easy to get in decent cycle routes and so on in the sort of necklace villages around Cambridge City. The city focused villages, but we have a lot of villages such as mine, Gamlingay, out in the sticks for which if you're going to cycle you have no choice but cycle on roads that can be really very scary. So I do hope, you know, moving forward we start thinking about cycle ways, sustainable travel routes that actually cover all our villages as well and start linking up our villages to travel hubs. So if we end up with a station at Camborn, you know, I could theoretically cycle to the station at Camborn, but I'm not doing it on the 1198 because last time I was knocked off. So, you know, it would be nice if we start factoring that in a proper network of sustainable travel routes for covering the whole of the district so everyone has the options. Yes, thank you. Councillor Khan, did you have a couple of points? Firstly, go back to active travel. One of the problems that I found myself and I think a lot of people find is that it's difficult to store in existing development. It's often difficult to store your cycle and therefore people tend not to cycle because they got nowhere to put their bikes. And they plan in permission that you're planning, you have no planning rights to build a cycle store in the front of the front line of the house, which many people is the only place they can get access. Scotland has actually moved on planning, has given permitted development for smaller cycle stores in the front garden. And I wondered whether that might be looked at or discussed that you've mentioned as a possible thing that we might examine in the future, whether that's a viable course and what areas that might be. That's the first question. The second question is a simple thing about the priority zones shown for green zones around Cambridge basically. There's one area which I've missed because basically it's a remote zone, it's an area which doesn't have really much recreational potential but it has a biodiversity function. And that's the area along the south-east of the district on the clay, as a series of sites of biodiversity in a different woodland from what you find in the gambling area, with a lot of home beam in them, which ties into the woodlands you find in Suffolk and Essex. And that's not been identified and there might be opportunities there, particularly if small developments take place in some of the small villages, for improving the size of the joining woodlands together. And also perhaps we don't know how the farming system supports those together ahead, whether we're going to have an input into the decisions of farmers or they might be able to support action taken by farmers. So I thought that perhaps he's mentioning somewhere in the local plan, not as a priority zone for recreation but as a biodiversity zone, which has its own interests. There's more comments than a question. Thank you, Councillor Harvey. I think I know a lot of those things. I mean, I can't comment on that detail but I certainly would agree that where we've got specific areas of diversity in terms of where you're talking around that diverse woodland stock that crosses over into slightly different kind of regional treescape. I would hope that we'd be kind of looking at some of those specifically and that kind of relates to the point made in the previous meeting around not just doubling nature in some respects, understanding what the actual make up of that biodiversity is and ensuring that we follow that up with having detail around that and how we can extend that rather than just being kind of full of brush about it in terms of the sustainable and the other point that you made, I think, first. I'm not sure if it was a question around the sustainable travel but I'm sure there's something that you can mention in that. I think just picking up on the green infrastructure point, it's important. We need to get across that. The green infrastructure recommendations isn't just the specific areas. There are a number of the recommendations which are more district wide and one of the district wide initiatives is woodland expansion and resilience as one of our broader topics. So perhaps we need to find a way of making sure it isn't just those areas. There are wider schemes identified in that prioritisation project. On the cycle shades in front of dwellings, that's a really interesting one. I guess that comes down to your design policies because we're going to still potentially require permission but it's how your design policies would potentially support in appropriate locations and that might be something to pick up in draft plan and appointment might get comments on through the consultation. OK, thank you. Well, I'd just like to make an observation. I'm not really expecting an answer just for brevity but I just noticed that on adapting heritage assets to climate change which is on page 222 of the consultation document and there are some bullet points at the top of the page there which look as though they might be a sort of embryonic policy statement which would replace NH15 in our current local plan. I just want to make a comment that I would seem at the moment to give less hope to our residents who wish to make their great listed buildings energy efficient and I just hope we can sort of evolve that as the plan progresses but I'm not expecting an answer. And I think possibly at this point I should bring the meeting to a close unless anyone has another reason not to. OK, well thank you. Oh sorry, yes. Pippa, would you like to? Yes, I'm not around the word you want to plug in, but this is the reason. So I think also on the reason we would like to work on this and put those wording around that. Yes, I mean, we know that nationality is a recent consultation and I went to the board obviously on the board and they were very clear on the nation but now, you know, if we went according to the FVF and the number of houses is exposed to value at more than double in the next five to ten years. So I just think we need to make sure that we're being accomplished as possible around the risk and the savings also. So I just wanted to support that nature that's noted from our session chair too. Thank you, Councillor Halings. Just on that point, chair, just very quickly, it's absolutely noted we did take and make a note of those comments from Councillor Bradlin as well in terms of that policy wording around that. So it's good. Initially we don't see any issue with having a look at that but certainly somebody would definitely take away and we'll be speaking to Councillor Bradlin to make sure we've got that wording that she mentioned quite right. Thank you. Councillor Hawkins, did I know, was your hand up at some point? No, chair, I was pointing that. Oh, yes. To make sure that she got in what she wanted to say. Thank you. So can I now bring the meeting to a close, do we think? Don't see any objections to that. Well, thank you everyone and I'm sorry to our officers for having to stay so late this evening but I think it was important to get this kind of wrapped up. So thank you very much everyone.