 Good afternoon, everyone. And thank you very much for coming to our panel session, where we have representatives from three of our best user groups to hear, to share their experiences, and have a discussion with you about what it takes to run a user group. We have over here Liu Guangya from China. We have Hasegawa Akihiro from Japan, and Sayel Alani, who is representing the Indian group. What we're going to do is we're going to have a short introduction of each of the groups in order, and then we'll flip over to a Q&A discussion panel session about halfway through. So without further ado, let's please welcome Guangya. Thank you, everyone. My topic is organizing meetup, organizing OpenStack Meetup in China. And I'm from IBM. I was one of the organizers for OpenStack China Meetup. The agenda is us following meetup summary, meetup story, and meetup experience. Currently in China, we have three sets, including Beijing, Shanghai, and Xi'an. Beijing Meetup was founded in last October. And the Shanghai Meetup was founded in April of this year. Xi'an Meetup was founded in June of this year. And all of the three sets held meetup regularly per month. And we are trying to encourage more people, more companies, and more schools to get involved. OK, this is some data. From left, we can see that till the end of October, we have more than 315 registered members in Beijing Meetup, and 114 members in Xi'an Meetup, and 120 members in Shanghai. And we have totally 18 meetups. And the total participants is around 600, which means that we have more than 30 people for each meetup event. And we also do some analysis for meetup topics. So you can see that the top three topics are network, installer, and operations. So there seems more and more people are willing to take some challenge in network. And you may also notice that Docker is becoming hot and hot. And it's becoming part of OpenStack ecosystem. And we also have some sessions for ATL summit summary. This means that the meetup is willing to share the latest OpenStack information to our meetup members. So I believe that we will have some Paris summit summary in the coming future. Yes, this is some meetup players. So we have some foundation members, such as IBM, Rehat, AP, and we also have some other members. And we are very glad to see that more and more China-Native companies are now getting involved, such as Huawei, ED Stack, U-Stack, and SkyCloud. And we also have some universities in China also getting in, such as Tsinghua University, Xianjiu Tong University, et cetera. And we did a survey in three cities with eight simple questions. And finally, we got 120 feedback. We can take a look at the survey result. First is understanding level. So we can see that most people are in the middle level, either applied or acquired. Second, experience. We can see that most people are used OpenStack. Third, where do we work? We can see that most people come from IT companies and schools. So till now, we have no member from government. So we need to take some action to attract some people from government. And how has your company used OpenStack? We can see that most companies, including about 67%, are doing some investigation and test. And you may also notice that we have almost 20% companies is now using OpenStack in production for their own business. How to broadcast OpenStack in China? Most people broadcast via a training summit and writing some blogs. OpenStack Target, we can see that most companies are solution providers. They're just using OpenStack to do some integration and provide some cloud solutions. Which products are you interested? We can see the top three products are NOAA, HEAT, and Neutron. So it seems that more and more companies are planning to use HEAT to manage their application. And they're also planning to migrate network from NOAA network to Neutron. So how to contribute to global community? We can see that most people contribute via mail list. And there are also many people contribute by real patches, report back, and commit patches. You may also notice that we have more than 20 people who have no contribution. And the reason from the feedback is that those people are new to community and they're just trying to get some chance to contribute. So this is a survey result. And my feeling is that OpenStack is growing very fast in China and it's becoming more and more mature. But we may need to take some action in network and installer to make sure that OpenStack can enter to production early. Yeah. This part is meetup experience. So to have a good meetup, we may need to do the following. Select a topic and the speaker. Select location, broadcast, and sponsorship. The last is that we need to make a good summary. For the first, we often discuss and collect topics from meetup. And sometimes we can collect some topics and speakers from volunteer companies. Second is location. Currently, we can often get a free place from a company to hold the meetup. And sometimes we may need to rent a public place, such as coffee shop, a public meeting room. Etc. And for broadcast, currently, we are using meetup.com, CineRebel, WeChat, and QQ Group to broadcast the meetup. Sponsorship, the reason we have this is that we do not want one company to dominate the meetup. We just want to make it neutral. So currently, the sponsorship is mainly from some meetup players, such as IBM, Red Hat, Canonical, Etc. The last one is that we need to make a good summary, because a good summary can attract more people and help more people in the future. OK, this is the way how we broadcast and summary the meetup. So I have listed all of the social media here. You can see the media, including Shanghai, Beijing, and Xi'an. And we are also using OMSAC-Darcyan to be the central management website for all of the meetup. OK. Perhaps this is the open question, so that I think that we can discuss it during the panel discussion. OK. Great. Thank you, Guangya. Thank you. So next up, hold your questions for the panel time. We have Hasagawa-san, who is going to be speaking about the Japanese user group. Thank you. My name is Akira Hasagawa. I create 90-page slides. But I only have seven minutes. So I have to rush it up there. And thank you for coming, Sacha, a lot of the people joining. I cannot see the user tree. But anyway, I want to introduce you about the Japan OpenStack user groups, history of the Japan OpenStack user group. We are founded in 2010. At that time, we only have 20 people joining our mailing list. And we're keeping the meetup and some hackathon event also. And last year, we are starting to do the OpenStack days in Tokyo. This is something that more of a business conference like. It's similar to the Global Summit. And this year, also, we have to keep going these eventos. And membership grows. And so as I mentioned, 2010, we just started. At that time, only 20 or 30 people. And current number is 1,400 people joining our mailing list. And this is the first meetup event. This time, Jim Carrey and Jonathan Brice also attending this event. By the way, this venue is located in the Roppongi. It's famous place in Japan, yes. And so we are a lot of the meetup event and the hackathon and also joining the local open source event, OSS event. So every month, everywhere in Japan, we are doing such OpenStack communities activities. And so as I mentioned, OpenStack days in Tokyo, it is one of our big challenges. So basically, our user group is starting from the engineers, programmer and operators. But of course, Cloud itself is a lot of the people joining these communities, not only the engineers, but also the marketing and sales and such kind of things. So we need to educate our customer, OpenStack consumers. So we need to do some more business-like and also technical-like events. And this is our first time is 2013. At the time, attendees are almost 700 people. It's a one-day event. And the sponsors are more than 20. And this year, this number is going up. And 1,000 people joining and 13 sponsors joining this event. But this is not our expected numbers. We expect more than that, because first time, only the one-day event and 700 people. And second time, we have the two-day event, then more than the double, but only the 1,000. Because at that time, we have heavy snowing at the time. And we need to fighting with the snow. By the way, OpenStack Foundation members enjoy the snowing. Maybe Austin does not snow so much anyway. So this is also our challenges. And this event, we have a lot of the companies sponsored. So Liu already mentioned the canonical of some IBM and some other global companies, of course, joining the event. And some of the other Japanese local companies also joining this event. It's quite a good number of the sponsors, I think. And so this is also maybe the panel discussion topic, how to grow a user group itself. I want to talk a little bit about this. My opinion is get your boss involved. Because, of course, some case, I'm asking to boss, is this OK to join this event? So how to make money? We cannot work, right? Open source community itself is almost volunteer, right? So to involve your boss and some other department, it's very important. And by the way, last month, we have the OpenStack upstream training in Japan. It's the first use case to accept the global summit to do the upstreaming training. This time, also, there are a lot of the mentors volunteer to helping this event. And so such kind of things, we need some understanding from your companies and organizations. And another one is get other companies involved. So in China case, already, a lot of the local and global companies involved the communities. So our case is the same. So this is our member companies. Quite a lot of the companies joining it. And it's not only the hardware makers, networking, and the debt centers, and the university or something like that. It's a kind of the diversity of the user group members, I think. So our activity is targeting the core layers. So Dancer is OpenStack providers. These people usually implementing the OpenStack technologies in your data center or in your services. But of course, so OpenStack is a cloud technology. So there are some cloud consumers. So consumers would need to understand how to use the cloud itself and also how to use the OpenStack API so on. So we are several layers. So bottom layer is the upstreaming training. It is someone who would like to contribute to the new patch. Then we can help. And someone who would like to know the newly technologies and the implementations, such kind of thing, we provide a hackathon and the tech meetup event. And if somebody want to meet the end users, you are the partners, then we provide OpenStack Day Tokyo. So we are not focusing on the technology side, but also the marketing services. And technically, it's not only the developers, but also the operators. It's similar to the OpenStack Global Summit, I think. And this is our Japanese super users. So there are a lot of companies already using the OpenStack. But so you have our challenges to need to enter some other enterprise market, I think. As you know, okay, one minute. Maybe next is my last side, okay. And anyway, so this year, we also have the OpenStack Day Tokyo event 2015. If you have a time, please join this. And also we have the Okinawa event on December 11th, 12th. And at that time, we have a plan to do some Asian OpenStack user community session, partner sessions, something similar to the rider. And please also join this event as well. And last slide. So as you know, the next year's OpenStack Summit is hosted in Tokyo. So Japan OpenStack user group is very welcome to coming to Tokyo. Okay, thank you very much to hearing my pride. Thank you. Thank you, Hasegawa-san. Okay, so Sayed, representing the Indian user group is going to talk without slides, good luck. Hi guys, I am Sayed Armani. I'm one of the co-organizers of OpenStack Indonesia Group. And we started in April, 2012 with 20 something people. And by today, we are close to 3,000 people. We had over 42 meetups across nine cities. And we plan to expand to around 14 or 15 cities. We have different sorts of users coming to these meetups like students, development managers, and developers, and all have different expectations from the meetups. So most of the time we have these like, sometimes the meetup was too tech-savvy and the people who are coming to the first time weren't able to understand. And then there are developers who want to enter into OpenStack world and contribute more. So we have been thinking about doing a lot of things. And since we have collected a lot of experience in our journey, we have figured out that we have to do something to increase contributions in OpenStack because at the end of the day, it is a contribution in the form of code or documentation means a lot. So we have been thinking about doing some hackathons or upstream training in our country in different cities so that we could increase the contribution. And at the same time, in different meetups, so we can educate the product managers, the managers who attend our meetups about the impact that OpenStack is going to have in future. And our group runs kind of independently. We have a very flat structure. Three of the co-organizers out of four are here, but still we have two meetups this week and next week. So we are kind of run by the people. So students and universities, they decide, okay, we need to meet up because we have some agenda, we need to present something. They ask us for the date and the venue, we arrange it and that's how our meetups have been every month. One more thing is that in India, the tech savvy people are concentrated in few cities like you might have heard of Bangalore. So one of our goal is to diversify this thing or to take this thing to other cities as well. So we are trying to go to more and more cities, find a local organizer and expend this thing so that more and more people could know about more and more university students can more know about OpenStack and they can start contributing to it. We have like a lot of universities which are distributed across the country and we are trying to partner with them and I mean to collaborate with them so that we can have like these hackathons and upstream training in the university itself. We have done it previously and it has brought us good results because those students now are contributors in the OpenStack environment. So that's what we are looking forward to. Really, thank you very much, Said. And so this is a panel session. Those of you who've joined us may or may not have realized but this is also an interactive session. We have microphones placed around the room where you're able to approach and ask a question to any of our panelists. But because it's very scary to stand up and use the microphone to be the first question maker, perhaps I'll start. So, oh, you want to ask the question. Kovit, please go ahead. Walk all the way over there. That's right. We want to make sure the recording captures your beautiful voice. Hello. So I'd like to ask a question to the Japanese user group. Yeah, hi, how did you manage to go from the one day of OpenStack Day format to the two day OpenStack Day format? Did you find it useful to separate Dev and Ops? The second thing was, how did you manage the expectation of the sponsors? Like did you have to promise something to them to get them to sponsor you or was it just a natural process? Because we are going to the same thing. We are trying to do the OpenStack India Day and we are finding that one day is not enough but we are finding it a bit difficult to get into the two days and what to deliver to the sponsors so that they actually give us enough money that we can go to the two days. Thank you. The question is one day and the two day event. And first time we cannot estimate how many people come to the event so that's why I started the one day event. After that we are keeping some meet up and some other events. So every time more than 100 people join in that so we understand that we need more capacities. So our two day events, one day is only the platina sponsors and only the one room and second day the gold sponsors have separate two sessions parallel. And but not clearly separated the business or technology, it's mixed, yes. And but of course a lot of the companies already involving the OpenStack market businesses so they would like to introduce their product and the services also. So there are a lot of the types of, as I mentioned our membership is not only the hardware companies, also the networking and the system integration so on. So it's very easy to yes, get the sponsors, also the attendees, yes. And one more question, what the question is next. I'm organizing this event itself and of course some of our committee members and have the meeting and so of course it depends on the venues and usually the one day events and the two day events we don't need to more than double the cost, yes. Only setting up the booth and something in the one time. And such a calculation is also needed, yeah. And as I told you before and many sponsors would like to introduce a lot of the solutions and that's why we change to the event, yes. And so I think there's a follow-up question. Guangya, you might be interested in talking about is how do you deal with sponsors as a user group? Yeah, right, because I think that is very important because we need the sponsorship to run meetup, yeah. Currently we mainly get some sponsorship from volunteer companies. So I'm just wondering if is it possible to get some sponsorship from foundation, yeah. I guess I'm the foundation representative here. So one of the things that, so the foundation's in an interesting position where we're trying to be the ubiquitous cloud system and you saw Mark's keynote today, we've got people coming here from 60 countries. We've actually counted users in 140 different countries and if each of these countries has at least one user group and we need to give money to all of them, our money doesn't go very far. So we always do encourage user groups to find local sponsorship where possible. However, one of the things that we've realized is that especially for these larger events like OpenStack Tokyo Day, which this year got 1,300 people more or less. So the foundation will contribute money to these really, really large events. But in terms of the monthly meetups, the best we can do is try and help introduce you to other companies and also try and have some conversations with some management level people that we're aware of. And India companies come to us, okay, we want to host a meetup and we will give lunch or we will give snacks so we don't have face this problem. But yeah, for larger events like OpenStack India Day, yeah, we need Foundation's help and some sponsors. But for meetups, no, for monthly meetups, we are good. In Japan also, we don't get any the money from I accept OpenStack Day Tokyo's. And usually meetup is only the volunteer and some of the companies giving us some coffee or snacks or so on. And but the key point is on the OpenStack Day Tokyo event, we need a Foundation member to give the keynote speech because a lot of the press and a lot of the attendees come to this event. Only the Japanese people is pretty hard to gather in such a lot of the number of attendees. And so this is not directly helping but also the very important assistance from the foundations I think, yeah. Well, we've got someone who's brave enough to stand up to the microphone, sir. Okay, I'm from Hong Kong. So I also attend the last summit in Hong Kong. I'm interested to note how the OpenStack adoption in Asian changed after the first summit in Asian. And also say I'm also interested to know, I heard from the China reps say there are some music group in Beijing, Shanghai, but not in the soul from China or any insight from that. Yeah, currently we only have three sons, Beijing, Shanghai, but we also have some planning to explain to such as Shenzhen, yeah. We also have some planning, yeah. And what do you need to make that reality? What do you need to set up the user groups in Guangdong or the south of China? Yeah, possibly we, first is that we need to find some organizers, yeah, because in Shenzhen we also have some OpenStack companies so possibly we can get some results from there, yeah. And Saeed, how do you expand the Indian group because you're using many cities worth of meet up right now? Usually, so sometimes there are people in the mailing list from different cities and this is one thing, we directly contact them. Okay, you are from this city and there are many people interested in meeting, there are many people working on OpenStack. Would you like, would you be interested in becoming a local organizer and host events on behalf of OpenStack and user group? This is one thing. Second thing is people attend these meet ups in Bangalore, Pune, or Hyderabad and they come to us and they say, okay, we are from here and we are interested in having a meet up group in Hyderabad. For example, the guy come in to attended the Bangalore meet up and said that I'm interested in starting user group in Pune. So we help him in getting touch with the local companies which are Pune based. And then these companies provide the space and all the facilities that that local guy needs to run this, to have a meet up. And then we advertise or arrange this user group meeting on our meet up group page and then people usually get to know about it and they will RSVP and this is how it starts. And then we also have our meeting list and we send any mail. Sounds like it's working. That's great to hear. And we have our next person at the microphone. I want to know besides money, I mean, except money, maybe what kind of other support the global community can give to local community? That's one question. And the second question is to the, to the speaker. I know all of you are organizing the meet ups locally. Of course, you would get many feedback, maybe to the community, maybe to the software. So how do you response this feedback to the global community? I mean, not only upstream code, maybe upstream the response, upstream the comments to the community. Well, did you guys want to take the second question first? Yeah. I'll take it. This, yeah, this is when this is a fantastic question. People come to us, they say, okay, we are facing this problem. Like this is the bug I saw. Okay, so my first, if somebody tells me this thing, what I do is that I tell them the relevant IRC handles, email or where to file the bug or the relevant mailing list so that they can report it. There's a bug. So I will suggest them that you should launch it on, have a, file it on launchpad. Okay, and otherwise I could also tell them, okay, you should email to this person or you should email to OpenStack Development Mailing List and they will definitely answer your question or solve your problem. Otherwise, this is the IRC handle of the PTL or the core member and just directly talk to them. This is what I do. Yeah, I think that this is also my question. So till now we have had many meetups in China but it seems that we did not send enough feedback to OpenStack Foundation. So I think that it would be great if we can have some channels to be connected so that this can make meetups can grow quickly across world. And in case, ladies and gentlemen, you weren't aware, our questioner right now is Ying Chun Guo who is the Translation Coordinator for OpenStack. So please thank her for all of her work. So, can I speak? Of course. Thank you. So in Japan, it's same. Of course, everybody don't speak the English fluently. So it is a very important for the meetup event because Japanese people can talk with Japanese contributors and engineers. So everybody can share the information. If something problem or the issues then this core developer or some other such kind of directly contact with the development team, they escalate the issues, I think. And the meetup event itself is not separate the organizer side and the attendees side but also it's mixed. Sometimes I'm the organizer but sometimes I'm the attendees. So it's the open source communities, everybody helping each other. And we somehow resolving such issues and somehow we escalate such kind of things to the communities, yes. Maybe it's same as the countries, I think, yeah. Indeed, and one of the things that the foundation's been trying to do is through the ambassador program kind of provide that central aggregation point and central point where we can communicate things like what's happening for the first or fourth birthday celebration or what's happening for the junior release and that kind of thing. Particularly we also have a couple of community managers. I'm one of those, Stefano Mofuli is my colleague who's another community manager and we're always available for any of these kind of discussions. We also, some of you may or may not be aware, have a mailing list just for talking about these kind of community or user group issues. It's the community mailing list, you can find it at lists.opensdact.org and I'd recommend you check that out. Finally, if the discussion about translation and different languages is interesting to you, you can follow me immediately after this session for the translators meetup which is happening down in the other hotel. But we've got about six minutes left in our panel gentlemen. Did you have any remarks that you really want to get on the record? Nope. Really? You don't want to sing a song perhaps or dance? Can I sing a song? Zankoku Natenshi no Oteze? Okay, great. I have a question about each of you members. So Japan is very compact, in Tokyo a lot of the engineers are gathering and but China and India's population is maybe 10 times smaller than Japan and it's pretty hard to moderate and also maybe the market, OpenStack market itself is also the big differentiation between our country to you countries. So my question is our challenges as I mentioned, we have to somehow enter the enterprise market is it's a challenge for us and how about you in your country is already the, many the companies already using the OpenStack or the such kind of the use case. Yes, please share the situations and such kind of things. Okay. Currently in China we have some OpenStack companies yet they are just doing some integration work. We have one new company named EasyStack, yeah. So it's final goal, it's China, United States, yeah. So we are mainly focusing on some solutions and we also have another company named UnitedStack and it's just using OpenStack to provide some public cloud. Yeah, and both of those two companies have some customers in China, yeah. Yeah, because currently the Chinese government is very, they're not willing to use some foreign companies software so I think that those new companies in China working on OpenStack should have a very good future, yeah. Well, in India, the government offices are also, are already looking at OpenStack and some of them already have Swift in production and as far as the enterprise goes, most of the big US-based tech companies have development teams working in Bangalore or Pune or Hyderabad. So lots of teams already know what's going on, they are the developers or they are in operations or maintenance and as far as SMEs are concerned, yeah, it's a new thing for them so they're trying to learn more and more about it and they're trying to enter the OpenStack market. So that's where we are trying to educate them and help them, okay, this is what it is and you can leverage it. But as far as government is concerned or big enterprise or big companies are concerned, they are already pretty much into OpenStack. Yeah, I also want to mention that because I'm from IBM and actually we also have a product named as IBM Cloud Manager and currently we have some customers in government and the bank, yeah, the typical use case is that they want to run big data on cloud. Yeah, they want to use cloud to do some auto scaling without work load, yeah, this is a very typical case, yeah. Another case is that CloudBorst, I have attended many sessions and there are many companies doing CloudBorst which means that they have local cluster and if the local cluster did not have enough resource and then they will burst to public cloud, yeah. But I think that this case may not be very easy to extend to government or whatever else, yeah, because they might carry the security, yeah. Well, we have only two minutes left in our panel. Do you have any closing remarks, perhaps advice for how people can get involved in their local communities? If you're working in OpenStack and so you might want to find a local group that's in your vicinity, if you can't, then you can get in touch with the ambassador, the local, your country ambassador or the local user group and then you can, for example, if you want to get involved into OpenStack, like you just want to be a developer or you are into DevOps, then you can figure out, talk to these people, they know people in the OpenStack community, they can help you in getting in touch with the relevant people because it will be easy for you to get, it will be fast for you to get up to speed because the right direction you can go pretty much more fastest compared to going on your own. Yes. You can try pretty good. Yeah, so Meetup is willing to share some OpenStack experience to our members. So, and we also want to encourage more people, more companies and more people to get involved. So, I think that's all what I want. So, my opinion is diversity is most important, I think. As I mentioned before, of course, a lot of the people is joining the OpenStack community, not only the developers, but also the translators, marketing, sales, operators, such kind of things. So, in Japan, OpenStack is a group, leader is Tomahaki Nakajima, but I'm organizing the OpenStack day, Tokyo, and the up story in training is another guy, Theresa, maybe something, stay here. Anyway, a lot of the people is joining the user group itself and they do their own task by their selves, not only the one people or one company and organize everything, it's something of the distributed systems, I think. Anyway, such a diversity, maybe it's very important things, I think. One more thing I would like to tell you about the OpenStack user group. You know that India is the biggest democracy in the world. Well, we also run OpenStack India user group in a democratic way. There's a flat hierarchy, there's no leader. Everybody's the leader, so everybody can organize and do whatever they want. They're free to do everything in their own city or wherever they are. And I think that's a fantastic point to end our panel. Everyone in this room can be a leader in your local community and I hope you can all participate. Let's thank our panelists again.