 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews I'm so ready, ready to rock. Yeah. Whoa dude. Oh, in this Rockin episode of Mind Pump. We're back. Adam Justin and I have our usual conversation for the first time. LA We love you for the first 30 minutes of our intro. We talked about the influenza epidemic here in California I had no idea. It was killing people. It's getting crazy. By the way, I talked about elderberry It's your elderberry elderberry does clinic in clinical studies has been shown to fight the influenza virus You can get elderberry at Thrive Market one of our sponsors By the way, if you go to thrivemarket.com forward slash mind pump This is what you'll get one month free membership twenty dollars off your first three orders of forty nine dollars or more and Free shipping we talked about the LA fit expo Me and Adam went down there had a good time met a lot of awesome Shake hands, just maybe. Friends talked a little shit about most supplements in the belly of the beast. Fucking Sal, big time me while we're there Yep, we talked about how I big-timed him and then we talked about me pooping at a girls house You under the bus gonna say walk in we got a great way to make a good first impression We talked about the organifi kermit blend. Oh, we're gonna start a new thing. We got the Christmas print now We got the kermit so the kermit put together the kermit blend is one of our fans named at that I'm gonna reach out to Shawna and see what's up, man. I think we should get some graphics Maybe done around some of this stuff So the kermit blend is organifi green juice mixed with organifi Gold juice tastes amazing very relaxing. It's got all the adaptogenics in there Good stuff if you go to organifi shop calm enter the code mine pump without a space you will get a massive discount We also talk about Justin staying behind and finishing up our new Maps program. Somebody's got to keep us moving forward. That's right. Oh, yeah You might be getting a new maps program this month Then we get to the questions the first question was this individual injured their Achilles tendon and they think it sucks really bad They don't want to move because they're scared. They might re-tear it. They were wondering about Adam's protocol For healing his Achilles tendon I just the comfort Adam. I got you bro. I got you it involves a lot of diddling Next question. What were our thoughts on all the resistance tubes and bands that girls are wearing around their legs? While they're doing their leg workouts, are they doing something good or are they being stupid again? Next question. What do we think about cycling different diets? Seasonally brilliant throughout the year. I like this idea the example This person gives us is you know high-fat and keto and bone broth in the winter Paleo in the fall vegan in the spring and carb cycling in the summer. It does sound Brilliant and genius. I see a money-making opportunity Final question if we could create a drinking game for listening to mine pump. Haha. What would those rules be? What would those rules be? I'm fascinated to find out. Let's get drunk. Absolutely. Also, it's January right now It's January. 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Wow, and we haven't called for it for a minute there No, actually I think the last time I gave directions that makes a big difference at Zach Bush interview You didn't know no last time we did the iTunes review Oh the last time people still have a tough time figuring out how to leave a review because it's a well It's a mystery. It's gotten better though iTunes has gotten better. How yeah, yeah, I know the new platform is better It's easier than what it was before Before it was a pain in the ass you get a good chance of winning a t-shirt 22 Doug, huh? No 20 20, but we're giving away six shirts damn hooking them up. Yeah So let me read these off. It's surf and turf at seven Z grass Dinosaur are in well Michelle zero eight nine zero friend of hers Baron body Mr. Super Luke all of you are winners So send the name I just read to iTunes at mind pump media comm send your shirt size your shipping address and we'll get that Right out to you hooking it up. I tried some of this weekend for the first time one cell Did it before it's looking good watch McCall. Yeah. No was I mean crazy. It's crazy. How good it is, right? Yeah, no, it's a it's a very it's a very refreshing drink I already liked the green and I already liked the red the fucking gold So you know how you mix when you mix the family red, you know how you mix that red's good You know when you mix the red with the green we call it the Christmas blend Oh, yeah, I haven't tried that yet So now if you mix the green with the gold because I did that I do that all the time is my favorite combo Yeah, they call that the Kermit blend They they I know him He's gonna start. Oh, oh, so oh they somebody else. I showed you there's a group on the internet I actually saw a reddit. I showed you I showed you the person who did it Somebody called it the Kermit blend this guy. Yeah, I like it though. I like it though I like the Kermit the Kermit blend and the Christmas blend We're starting a little thing here with a tell our organized sponsor. What's up? Like hey, you guys we need to put this together maybe put some graphics behind it face of Sal with like Kermit legs and stuff Oh, you're gonna do it. Yeah, you know Do we do the sal sal body Kermit head or do we do the Kermit body Sal's head? I say sal body Kermit. No. Oh, wow. You don't like my face, huh? I just say I like Kermit's face It's a good combination because it has they're both these relaxing They both contain these relaxing herbs So what I do is I drink those then I have some caffeine and I get this real fucking nice smooth buzz And that's what we did. I drank it before we went and I also your insta story I also drank something bad people called it out actually so when Adam yeah posted the video of me drinking the Kermit blender, whatever you want to call it. Yeah in the background was a little five-hour energy Hello people Dm me like is that a five-hour did Sal drink it? So now he snorted it right after the fucking Kermit blend So what so I have got you bitch Yeah, we do so much traveling right and I have my little my yellow backpack that I always use and Sometimes will be a gas stations and I don't know. There's no coffee or whatever the coffee shit and sometimes it's my guilty pleasure I'll probably drink. I'll take a five-hour energy I don't know twice a year at least this thing was in there and it had been in there for a long time So I pulled it out. Oh, I'm like I'm gonna combine use this I'm gonna take everything in the you know in the spirit of fit expo, right? Let's just take all the supplements. You're trying to be nice and you get a jack. Speaking of so I don't I didn't send it to you guys This flu season is aggressive. They said it's the worst one in something like five or ten years so far There's already been 27 deaths in California the fuck out here in California. Yes. Wow from the flu What do you really like 80 or not? Yeah, no, no, no, no 27 people under the age of 65 that died whoa Out of here. So it's not as bad as that That one remember when the H1N1 virus was out and it was getting really bad That one resulted in 300 something deaths in California So people don't realize this shit tons of people still die from the flu every year. That's so that's crazy I actually just fight that. Yeah, I didn't I mean are you are you including people that are like 80 or not? 90 though that are about to die anyways and then the flu is like what fucking does it must be like compromised people to begin with so There are categories of people that are more likely to die but one of these categories of people is actually young healthy people because We if it's a strain if it's a particular strain of influenza that hadn't hasn't been around for 40 years and then it comes out all of a sudden and your 30 year old athlete or whatever. Maybe you're training really hard Maybe you're stressed out at works or immune systems a little pressed Then you get this virus that hits your body that you've never your body's never seen anything like it It can hit you very hard and you can actually be more susceptible to death than somebody who's say 55 or 60 Who may have been exposed to a virus, you know a strain that's similar to it. Hmm. How fucking crazy is that? It's crazy. Yeah, people died. So what I recommend is Elderberry elderberry is the and Thrive Market actually has the Sambuca's one which is the one that's in the clinical trials. Hmm. That's the one I recommend So isn't that the one shout out to our nature way company? Yeah, they actually sent us a bunch of them. Thank you Oh, yeah, thanks. I actually took some of that too for me and Courtney. Well, no I suited up. Yeah, I mean, I'm still just coming off of this one right now. It's bad everyone saves the day so you can actually timing you connect so I did this this morning, so I was talking to Swajeska this morning and She's like, yeah, but what are the studies actually say because I keep telling her this so I looked them up and you can find these on PubMed These are actual double-blind placebo controlled studies that show on average a reduction in symptoms of the flu by four days Four fucking days. It's a big deal because the flu is normally like a seven-day thing. Anyways, you know, that's right That's a huge right So it's the difference between having a fever and feeling shitty for two or three days or feeling shitty for seven days And wow, that's a big difference. That's a big difference and the reduction in In Respiratory infection. Did you look that shit up? Was it some bullshit by a study though that was put on by some company that actually sell? No, there's been several. Oh, okay. There's been several. PubMed. Did you say PubMed? You can do PubMed. Yes. Okay. Um and one of them is relatively one of them is relatively recent But they show that not only that but so one of the reasons one of the ways that the influenza kills people Is the virus itself doesn't kill you. It's the secondary infections that come after So now you've got this virus that's fucking you up big time. You've got a horrible fever Then you get pneumonia or bronchitis or some kind of bacterial infection or secondary infection, which then You're in this weakened state and it fucks you up Elderberry was also shown to dramatically like statistically dramatically reduce The instance of respiratory secondary respiratory infection So taking elderberry prophylactically meaning You know before you get anything, right? It's probably a good idea And what they're showing in these studies is that whatever's in elderberry and I don't remember what it is But there's something in elderberry in particular that increases the amount of cytokines in your system Is there a cutoff period at what point like it doesn't fucking matter? Like if you're already two days into the flu and stuff and then you try and do it Is it would it still mitigate some things or did not that's a good question So the way that they think it works, it'll probably help regardless, but you're always going to be better off If you catch it before this virus just replicates and is all over the place. So So yeah, I would take it prophylactically a little bit every day Throughout the whole season, which the season peaks in I think I read the second week of february is when you so right now We're in the middle of the ramping up. Mm-hmm of the flu is gonna get worse way worse So like sweet dude. I was reading this article like like emergency rooms are getting Flooded with people who have the flu Yeah, have you got when's the last time you had the actual flu because I think a lot of times people get a bad cold They think it's a little bit a year or two for me Yeah It was that one time you guys called in and I was watching the tony robbins Document our netflix mid you're emotional. Yeah, do you guys get emotional when you sick myself? Well, you know my Well, you get horny you watch you watch like teen teen pregnancy, right? I get horny and I watch teen pregnancy That's weird. That's my mo I don't know what it is. I told you what I told you what I think it is. I mean, I get I don't know I don't know for sure why i'm drawn to trash tv when i'm fucking sick But I think it has something to do with seeing these other people like With much bigger struggles in their life than this little seven-day flu that I have Yeah, like like fuck this could be worse. I could have three kids from three different fathers Living with my mother still screaming at her, you know, I'm saying borrowing my fucking friend's car like okay. It's not that bad I'm down for seven days I think it has something to do with that and the horny thing goes back to fucking high school Because when you were sick in your home and mom wasn't home and your girlfriend comes over and yeah Yeah, gives you a little handy. Yeah. Yeah, then forever. I've connected that, you know laying in bed Being not feeling you get the sympathy. I can't be like like when I'm like deathly sick and I got a headache my head spinning I'm like throwing a vomiting like there. I know anything going on But that hugging a pillow or whatever but once you're in that, you know, because your girl started Does she try and take advantage now that she knows this? Like if you're real sick. Yeah, yeah, no, she will she's because she's always trying to get a little ditto Yeah, Katrina's always trying to get something Yeah And normally I'm like I can't I can't breathe honey. I don't know we're gonna do this right now We're definitely not making out that's for sure. You can just lay there. It's cool. I don't want to go near your face Gives you the ditto so I get I get generally more emotional if I'm really sick It's like I just I don't know if my empathy goes through the roof Yeah, I've noticed that like something on tv and you're just like Dude, I was I was sick once and I was watching this I don't remember what it was. It was like some tv show where this kid It wasn't even that fucking emotional so embarrassed Some kid did something good like yeah, you know got a good It was like some tv show and the kid like was really struggling in school and then did really good And I was just like fuck man This is this is tough. The kid got a good grade on their spelling Justin I wish you were with us at the the airport because I had sal pushed me around in the wheelchair Oh, yeah, and uh, we got so um our boy had finally met up with sal Figment of your magic did your story change or did you actually like when people are asking you what you did to your foot? Oh, dude, I told people that I was I got bit by an alligator and I was saving a baby And a couple kids were like really like really where were you at? No, that's not the case at all Yeah, no, I was pushing dude. Let's be honest now, Adam. Dude. This is I don't run the mice Am I am I a good caretaker you actually okay? I and I did I text you right did I not text you last night I text you private God yet sal because I am horrible. Well, I text well, you know what he's typically horrible I'm the best caretaker. Yeah. No, no, no if you're sick or if you're sick or injured around me I have a time limit. I told Katrina before I left I said I'm really nervous about this trip because I know I'm kind of a fucking bear when I don't feel good And I'm not only am I fucking sick? I'm dealing with this leg right now, too So I'm on crutches and shit. So I'm I know I'm a pill right now And I'm not working out those this is like a perfect storm for me just to be an asshole, right? So I already know on that and I'm going somewhere with sal sal and I are the worst With directions itinerary shit all that stuff Like we rely heavily on Doug or Justin to kind of carry the load in that and so we're by ourselves And then you think I factor in I fucking crippled your mobile. Yeah, yeah, and I'm thinking to myself I told Katrina. I'm like, you know, I'm really nervous that sound I might get at each other because and I know I'm like trying to tell her that I know that I'll be irritable I know this is not his strength, but I tell you what man, it was not at all like that We had an incredible time and I was really really little I was impressed good thinking with with the way he did He really took care of me. He every time we went somewhere did something He always thought about like me not being all the carry things and getting it for me and opening And I was like and I and I don't like that too as it is I hate being disabled and feeling like you rely on somebody and I didn't feel like I had to keep asking Like, hey, bro, could you come help me zip up my pants? I can't do that. Like he was right there right away Like right away. I've got out of the off that toilet. He would be right there to pick up my drawers and everything You went too far Just a little no, so he's pushing me in the wheelchair. He tried to get me down like listen your hands work We're pushing her in the wheelchair and I'm I so I have to hold his big fucking You know 16 by 24 or whatever photo or drawing of him. Yes of me finally finally connected Yes, me and adam have had our side in our house and dude a bar boy figment of your imagination It's awesome. We're figment underscore of underscore imagination is his instagram to look up how how fucking talented This guy is you know, all of us have had random people do some cool graphic art and shit like of us before Hands down. This is something that is like he is his talent. Yeah. No, it's next level talented But it's funny because sal is like he doesn't do very well with this. He's like, dude, what am I gonna do with this? I don't I can't put it up in my room like it makes me uncomfortable I was like give that shit to me. I got it. So we're going through the airport and I'm like I'm posting it up on my leg. You know, he's pushing me and I'm like people are like looking at us. See, huh? Yeah, here. That's him. I put it on the plane. I see belted in He's trying to turn it around so he doesn't look so narcissistic right carry the fucking and I can't carry shit Right when we're walking so he's got to carry the photo himself and he like turns it so people can't see I'm turning it bro. It's a beautiful photo show that shit off like calling it out of the airport and everything like that I asked the lady do we I pick it up in the in the airplane. I'm showing rock. Hey, where do I have to Where do I gotta put this? I'm like, is it okay on my lap? It's you know, he's all turning red Fucking great Yeah, I wanted to go just but it's I mean it's an awesome awesome awesome sketch It's just you know, it's like I feel like like mr. Fucking perfect from the wwe remember him Oh, look at me. You know, I got this picture of myself when I was shredded totally even worse Even worse as we're going through the uh, what is it the security check at the airport? You gotta put it I forgot it there So we walk all the way up We walk all the way up and Adam's like, where's your picture? I'm like, fuck So I walked all the way back and they're waiting for me. They're all waiting for me. They all knew they all look at me Like we got your picture We see you drew to themself. It's like it's telling me I drew it himself. It's a good picture Anyway, dude, I'll tell you what man. I tell you what what a great time at the expo I we had we didn't really pump it up or promote it that much We didn't make a big deal about it and we had a great turnout of fans showing up people who were there Oh, that's rad. Quite a few people saying they were there just to listen to us, which I think is really cool Um, and uh, just had a great conversation the second day we were there We didn't even talk about intuitive eating we were supposed to But it was all of our fans. So we're like you guys hear us talk about that When we got there, we realized like the environment here We are trying to talk like about intuitive eating which to me. I think is a very anybody. I've ever explained that what is that Alien concept, especially there right right and I'm and I'm like, you know what? We probably didn't put a lot of really good thought into this being the topic that we're talking about in this arena Right because it was just it was loud You know, you've got you got tits all over the place and people doing cartwheels and lululemon pants all over the place A little different than paleo stringers and shit everywhere and then here we are like listen to your body Yeah, and that's how you you know I'm saying so tell me we'll teach you things the second day You know Sal and I agreed like you know what let's just fucking go out there We'll tell people we're gonna hook them up with the guide and so they still feel like they get that information We're gonna take care of everybody But then let's fucking do a q&a and let's just let's just answer questions for people and probably like The first two questions kind of surface questions, you know people asking and then about the third question or so People started asking like the controversy stuff. Yeah, and you could tell it Drama oh, yeah the first guy that asked a question You could tell he's a listener and he knew what he was asking like setting it up And you could tell he's like are they gonna like really answer this or they're gonna see a pc there Bro, we came after it man for about 20 minutes. We're they're asking us all these questions And we're talking shit about 99 of the supplements out there In the fucking the heart of the beast. Yes, we are surrounded. We are surrounded by Supplement companies and our mics are loud and me and adam project our voices anyway Oh, so good. So we're just talking about how pre workouts were it was it was totally invented. It's bullshit and And and I know and I can tell people walking people who are walking around all of a sudden stopped and kind of listening to us Was shreds there it was no actually joey swole was so yeah joey swole they were you guys talked to No, he was on a bar. I want to talk to him. He was on a panel with michael herne joey swole And then who's the other one that panel. Yes, dude. I don't know bro. We didn't hear him But I we saw that I saw a picture of him I think so we just talked to um, we got interviewed by the girls shout out to the girls at 30 something great girls great podcast And they was it was it almost 30s at the name of the yeah, no, I said Oh, sorry almost almost 30 Is their podcast and uh, very similar flavor to my I flew over there I was listening to some of their episodes so I can get kind of a feel of the two girls And I was like, oh, I just don't sell these girls. They're sponsored by a dildo company. They're like It's a sex toy company. They're they're banter same difference. They make more than dildo same fucking difference, right? So the same pussy's too. Yeah, so let's get this straight, right? But uh, no, they were they were really cool. We brought up actually I think we got we talked about shreds for a minute and I was asked asking them They said, oh no, it's completely over like it's it's done like this the company doesn't exist anymore I told them I said, you know, you're dead because they'd only been listening to show I think for the last year or so As a lot of people don't know unless you've been a diehard fan or have been listening since day one Or you've gone back and actually listened to all 600 episodes But we were the first motherfuckers to call out shreds and I told the girls on the show I said, listen, it wasn't like we were trying to hurt the business or calm out. It says this our message was anti Uh, anti what they they were a perfect exam a douchebag. Well, they were a perfect example They were a perfect example of what we were talking about like this is the way you've been marketed to for so many years And we're trying to be the change that and so we used them as an example A lot early on and when mine pump first started and they were like, oh blown away They didn't know that I was yeah, go back and listen to some of it's pretty funny. So to see where they're at now it's hilarious, but What's even more hilarious Is we get there, right? So they had it at their house is where they're at when we roll We roll up to their place We're not even there about five minutes, right? We're just in their town. Yeah, this dude goes takes a fucking shit in her bathroom, dude He's shit in a girl's house, bro. He's shit in a girl's house. Wow within five minutes We were there No, it wasn't even five Thank god they had like thank god they had like the candles lit and shit going on in the house Here's what you could have clogged the toilet. No, no, no Here's what happened. We get there and the whole place it's super girled out. So it's like it's curled out It's sense. There's just it was like too much. So you had to shit Right, you had to man it up. It was just sense everywhere. It's like candles burning. There's like, you know, it's just smells like White walls. Oh, it smells really nice nice ambience in there. Totally checked out. So we go in there Yes, you had to fuck it up. And this is what happened. Here's a true story. I know You know, maybe the girls are listening right now. I apologize They're like, what are these streaks here? I'm just gonna keep it real. It's official now. I'm hashtagging all your fucking photos shit break, bro You would now take Oh, bro, shit breaking it. No, no, no, no, no, no We walk in we walk in and you ever you ever have the moment where you're like, oh, I got a fart Yeah, and then you start to proceed to allow yourself to fart, but then you quickly realize a little wet There's more to come. Yeah, if we quickly realize gotta shut the door because there's more There's something there and I'm thinking to myself like fuck like This is the this is the process that goes through my head and I know every person has gone through this So fuck you if you're making fun of me Everybody's gone through I'm thinking to myself like I'm trying to calculate how long is the podcast that can be how long and take we get take it in the uber back Will I make it if I get excited, you know, yeah, will I be able to make it or is this one of those situations? Like I want to have a good podcast. I want to have a clear conscience I want to like clear my mind And my asshole so I go in their bathroom and I was fast dude. That's why I didn't even know if I Shit I went fast. I didn't know you did. I actually had no idea. That's right It wasn't I don't think they know until now and thank god Do you have a great fucking host co-host with you that could carry the conversation that when we just first met and just Kind of distract them for five minutes while you're right when you made like okay, where's your bathroom? Well, no, so I go in the bathroom and there's already There's already candles that are lit in there And they have an upper deck. They have bathrooms Very terrible called for how funny would that be I did that like like the rivals, you know, I mean Thanks for having us on your podcast No, um, but anyway the reason why so here's the deal. Adam's angry Justin Is it so why am I angry? Well, you're a very self-aware person, but that was a it was a major ego hit What when we got to that when we got to the why? So we walk into the expose. Oh god You mentioned this on text. I want to hear about this is a true story We walk as soon as he was glowing after this. Yeah, he wasn't all right. I was sad. I was sad Sad for you. I was like he can't take any more. We walk we walk in and uh, the first person So we're expecting maybe someone's gonna recognize this who knows whatever. We don't care. We're walking in And this young lady walks in and she's like, oh my god, I love your show. I love listening to your show You have the best podcast as she goes on and on and she goes. Oh my god. Can I take a picture? And we're like, yeah, absolutely. So she gives her phone to adam She said to me so it's just me and her taking a picture She did when I didn't say anything for like the whole time She was talking about your she was saying your show and she was like talking to sal and i'm standing right there Next to him in my crutches, right? And I'm just we're like I'm smiling and out of my head like, you know, but she I can tell that the way she's talking about the show She's talking to it and referencing it like as if it's sal show and I'm just kind of standing there I don't think she recognized. Yeah, definitely You know what? I hope she's listening because what you did you actually gave your phone To adam to take the picture with me That wasn't just some random dude That was pretty it was pretty good. It was a good time. It was that's how we started too That was like the I believe that was the first person to take a photo, right? It was the very first. Yeah, the very first Some other dude you was yelling mind pump across the way when we were crutching up But once we got in that was the very first person that walked up. I thought it's gonna be one of those trips, huh? But you know shout out to Nina for setting up the whole thing and the cauliflower foods people We did we shared a booth with them. They were handing out all the girls were there. They were there Packed. Yeah, I mean, it's a great product. So uh eyes amazing. I don't even know that's not I know That's not your real eyes, but I but we love you. Yeah, she came in shout out to her She's one of our og fans shout out to Kira. She's another one of our fans might be blogging for us So we saw a lot of cool people out there Um come say hi and I think next time we do it I think we should like really let people know ahead of time and do something cool. Yeah Oh next time we're just giving away some shirts, bro. We might actually be there, you know, we're gonna by the way Of course everybody I was talking shit First day bro like four no more than that at least 10 people Where's Justin and then we tell him oh Justin's, you know, he's you know, he's too cool for this. Yeah, we're like, oh, you know He's my favorite. Yeah. He's my favorite. Oh, just It's a friend. You know, I got cool. No picture for you. Move along, bitch peace It's people waiting. It's people waiting for me. You can DM Justin He's my favorite one. Oh really? Thanks I appreciate you fans. You know, I'm sorry. I wasn't there. I'll be there for you next time. You're like the elusive like Member of the band, you know, like I'm pretty cool. So, you know, I'll be there one of these times So I was fucking with Sal on the flight back right at first I was fucking with him with the picture and stuff like that having a good old time And then we have this lady sit between us She's 60 years old and awesome lady. Yeah, very very cool. We had a great We talked the whole flight um and had a great conversation. You could tell very intelligent Uh and the way and when she said she listened to podcasts like oh what podcast and she goes Oh political podcast and I was like, oh And I and I and I look over at salad. I just kind of like raise my eyebrows because you know, you know, he's the politics guy, right? So and She is you can tell that she's got like a Cat Berkeley background, you know, she's rocking the tivas, you know, yeah. Yeah, so she's you know, she's doesn't look She doesn't look superficial. She looks. I mean, she definitely is a hardcore old school super liberal very earthy You know, but like a hardcore super liberal back when you know, they were the ones protesting for free and openly admitted too She was she was about it man. And she and again, so I'm trying to get into politics What are you doing, bro? You guys should talk I'm like we're sitting we're sitting on a plane. It was so great to see you know It's funny about him when it comes to politics with things like that what I've picked up on sal Sal and this is what makes him so great at it is that He doesn't look to pick fights in that arena He he would rather somebody Pick a fight with him and then they get schooled right and then he and then he circles back around But he's never looking to you're not trying to be a bully to the point where I keep trying to get him to talk about it And he's like, you know, totally avoiding it being super PC about his political views. He's not sharing them whatsoever He's like, yeah, you know, I don't really subscribe to this and he's just like he's being very big It's not that I'm a hardcore conservative because I'm not that either What I do is I try to sit when I talk to somebody who's Suit who really identifies with a particular ideology in politics. You gotta tiptoe around Well, not even tiptoe I just try to find commonalities because I do have I first of all she's an old school liberal from berkeley She's probably pro free speech very much pro free speech pro cannabis So we hit him off there. So I know we can talk about that stuff and find so anyway Yeah, adam was trying really hard to get You're trying to see how I maneuver that yeah, but it was it was actually maneuver very well We ended up making a great friend on the plane. Her son is into photography and editing He's 20 the same age as us and he's into health and fitness So, uh, you know passed our number along. So maybe maybe we'll get a chance to meet you at a girl's phone number You know, it's funny though is we were as we were, you know talking about this Digits your way so adam's doing, you know, his whole like he's doing his prizo his presentation, right? Mind pump and this is what we do Oh Dude, have you I'm sure you've heard this All that he did this to every fucking uber driver attack All they have to do is number one fitness podcast. Yeah, what do you guys do? So what do you guys do and I'm like, all right, here we go 20 minute, you know presentation So he's doing this to this lady. Oh, we do media. This is what we like to merge health and wellness with fitness And we're gonna be bigger than Netflix. Yeah fitness industry praise on your insecurities and you know It's about loving your body and it's like this long presentation and prizo about fitness and health and doing this whole thing And did we not win her over and I you know, I love it. But what's funny is she's like, wow I'm gonna check out your podcast and so I'm like, oh, you know, that's cool Then she's talking about the podcast she listens to and she's like, I really like this one podcast But I really hate the beginning of it because and she's talking about this political podcast Because they just cuss all the time and they're really bold inappropriate She's like, you don't need to do that to make your point. That's so stupid And I'm laughing so juvenile. Yeah, because Adam already sold the fuck out of my pump And I'm looking at her. I'm like, well, we get those two star reviews like you may not want to listen to Or fast forward the first 30 minutes because we get pretty bad But then we I told her I said, you know, the cool part is we did have a lot of people Just like yourself who gave us that feedback as we grew you maneuvered that well because I was expecting you to say something I thought you were gonna say something like, yeah, our older our older fans don't like No, no, no, I said we had a lot of we had a lot of intelligent fans like yourself that are there for the science and the information They don't like the banter before And you know, so what we figured out is and but we have another half of our audience Literally, it's almost an even split of people that don't give a shit about the science But then enjoy the the banter and conversation early, right? So, you know, we came up with this formula where the beginning of every show We kind of tell you that hey the first 23 minutes of the episode Sal, I'm adjusting to get into talks like this and then if you want to just get to the science you can fast forward She's like, oh, that's really cool. So yeah, really cool. She might never ever listen to this part right now You don't ever know, you know what else was cool is connor murphy our buddy connor Hey, uh, shout out to our boy. He's a youtube Celebrity right? Yeah, the dude the dude's million subscribers It's over a million for sure Yeah, no, he's over two takes his shirt off and millions of views happen. Yes And um, he you know, we we obviously interviewed him a while ago and talked with him and smart kid Good-looking kid smart kid a lot of potential And he comes up to us while we're after we finish our talk and this guy He's a legit fan of the show. He's actually listened to over a hundred no episodes Which I like that because there's a lot of egos in the media especially the well what we know, right? Which is the digital media world? Where if you're really big you don't necessarily Listen to this thing over here or watch this thing over there because you're doing your own thing or whatever But to have someone like him come up and be like a legit like really love the show He's listened to over a hundred episodes really fucking cool, man And change some of his views on fitness is really cool. And then there were people coming up to us telling us Like getting emotional talking about how Um, a lot of what we talk about has impacted them For the better and then we come in today and read that letter. We got a letter from one of our fans Yeah, that that hit me in the feels man hard, dude I think we should have Doug read it man. I think so I can't even listen to it was very emotional but gentlemen who you know fought addiction and depression and We I guess listening to our show helped him throughout that And big shout out to that guy man. He sent us a bottle of what was that bottle of whiskey whiskey, yeah Yeah, right uh bourbon bourbon. Yeah, that was that was really cool Man, I tell you what this this trip definitely I think um, the most exciting part about it for me It was to to realize that You know what we've we've been in our own little world over here and working on our own media shit and busy But I think it's really important that we we get to these conventions and we get out there and we sounds like it Yeah, until they kick us out face to face because I told sell I'm not gonna lie man I was being I was telling him when we were there. I was like, you know, what is it? Why did I not? Care too much about promoting it and and getting people there and I said, you know If I'm being honest with myself There was probably this bit of insecurity that you know how how what a douchebag I'm gonna feel like if I tell all these people to come through here and we hype it up on the show like crazy And then when there's like five or ten five or ten people out in the corner, right, right It's one of my cousin right so like um, I was I probably there was a part of me that felt that way But to see the turnout With us not even really talking about it and realize like wow, okay We definitely have some people because I'm dude. It's intimidating when you think about our message and going in there I mean, we are outnumbered not by a few but by By thousands inside this place completely against the grain in there, right, you know So, uh, if we're gonna go into enemy territory like that talking shit about what these guys are all making their money on I think uh, I think it would feel good to have this big group of mind pump fans. So I think well I want to take it over. Yeah, I think I think we're gonna put some Actually energy and money and time into the next one And we're gonna make it just a fucking cool ass giving away shirts So this is the all about giving shit a whole bring a cannon Yeah giving shit away doing some live q&a type stuff man and just having a good time and getting a chance to talk to people Uh, we need to do more of that. I feel like we we don't get out We spend so much time in here creating content. We don't get out there and touch people Yeah for in the you know for people really who are asking like where's justin like justin was you were back here getting finishing up Trying to be productive man our next uh new program that'll be coming out Which is fucking awesome and you were here you you guys I mean you guys hand it out All day long in a day, right? You also knocked out the the shirts, right? So, you know, a lot of people may not know this One of the mind pump team new year's new year's resolution is to Put a little bit more energy into the apparel line and start to grow that and so as in a commitment to that You know, justin's kind of taken hold of that with the designers and You know, we're going to try and release a a new piece every week this year. So yeah, that starts up pretty soon here So I have yeah, I have a a bunch of designs in the hopper and I just want to make sure this is nice and consistent And you guys can kind of look forward to that like it's a new a new week And uh, we're going to go ahead and try and start this launch sequence and we're doing them all things out to you guys And we're doing them all limited limited edition. So we'll come out with x amount Yeah, and if you guys really really like a designer print I really want the feedback and I want you guys involved with this so obviously this is you know The first one's dope. I've already saw the first one. The first one's cool. I love that you went the podcast hard angle And so that had to throw that one in there. I thought that was kind of a cool Yeah, that's a that's a great one to kick off the year. We should send a copy of one A copy a shirt of one of those to all of our podcasting friends because of what it says. Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely Yeah, that's I already have that plan. So that's that's uh, that's gonna that's gonna happen. I'm excited about that Yeah, that's awesome. The other thing that was pretty fascinating was um, because really the last time we were out and really talking to people about podcast was Well, we did paleo effects and the before that had been a while And I used to hear relatively regularly when I would ask people if they'd listen to podcasts that they didn't even know What a podcast was I don't get that anymore Everybody listens to podcast. Yeah become more mainstream for sure. It's really growing. Yeah, that's great I mean I I still I think I gotta start changing the way I ask people because I still have that Do you know what a podcast before I even tell them what we do? I go button on your phone Right, do you know if I know that podcast is but uh more and more people now I ask that question too and they're like, yeah Yeah, no, I listen. Oh cool. You do I wonder if Spotify has helped with that too because now like you can actually find it on if it hasn't I know it will eventually because we've I mean you see what's going on on our forum and and people are saying like man Spotify is so much easier for me. I'm sorry, but I love it. Yeah, I'm listening. That's what I use every time now Do you use it to listen to my phone? Bro, it's just it's faster faster and like it connects. iTunes is yes It connects right away. You can see the episodes easier on Spotify that way the display I mean Some of my favorites. I don't know That's a good thing for us to be telling the audience that because it'll probably drive our iTunes numbers down and then we'll rank lower But to be honest, man, the lips and numbers will still be the same. So it's all good Yeah, lips and will be the same But I mean as far as our ranking on iTunes that will go could be counterproductive. I still use the iTunes ones iTunes ones, so I but I haven't tried the Spotify version yet But I'm also a Spotify user too Here's what I see me too. I see Spotify getting into the podcasting world or having podcast Is less about them trying to boost it up and more about them recognizing that this is a growing market And it's going to just cause competition because for sure apples do not apple is a fucking monster They're a beast and you know once they see the oh shit this market starting to do whatever They'll just put more money in it and bolster it put more money in and bolster it. Absolutely. I I believe that I believe that I just hope it doesn't go Bad for us when it does happen because right now we have a lot of freedom With what we say on the podcast how it works like there's no we don't have a lot of rules that we that's why I like that We're you know on other platforms too. So that's super dependent on one It's pretty decentralized. So it's different than youtube where youtube is like yeah, but only show in talent I know but youtube was like that all restrictive right youtube. Well now they are. Yeah, yeah So i'm saying though i'm saying that that's the fear is that does does itunes go that direction too We saw them launch their tv now this year, right? Is that crazy? Did you guys see the shit with uh logan paul right now? Oh, yeah, what happened with that? He posted like a dead body. Did you watch it? No So the the kid goes to man. He is getting the fucking heat right now Yeah, he's getting smashed uh he I almost feel like there's people that are like intentionally like trying to really I mean hit the video Cleves of the video have millions of views so other people are picking back up so much pull this kid out It's crazy to me that thinking about that his video his pool is so big That you make a review video of his video. Yes, you make a review video of his video and you get millions views That's fucking insane to me right. So anyways, that's beside the point Yeah, he did this video. He went to was it japan japan. There's a famous Forest, oh the suicide forest the suicide. How'd you know about that? I've just known about it. Oh interesting Yeah, so I didn't I've never heard of it before and I guess it's a famous place where a lot of people commit suicide Yeah, and he went and I guess the his intentions were to go there make a funny documentary Well, just to make it about this ghost and it's spooky and scary How do you make it funny? Not funny, but more about the spookiness and the scariness. I see right But they actually ran into a dead body And you know, they were calling the cops and he was really he was really scared about it And so I don't necessarily think I think the the mistake he made was was putting it on putting the video on Right like like releasing it releasing it because you could tell they're like, oh fuck We need to call the cops. That was a mistake But him putting it on was kind of a mistake because it comes across as self promotion Versus like if he just sent it to a news agency and have the news agency. I don't know they release it Yeah, so people were just stupid by him because if If the desired outcome was to still get traffic from it, he could have done the right thing and he still would have got it Yeah Because if you would have dropped that to a news anchor the news of course the news people would have told the story Yeah, youtube star logan paul does this and then he probably could have done a follow-up video talking all about it That's right And he probably could have saved saved his image But it's touchy because it's hard to understand when you're in that world where you're showing people everything and everything you do So transparent. Yeah, and everybody loves what you do like and you know, he was genuinely I feel like they were genuinely in the video like oh, shit. What's going on here? You know, I don't think they planned it but I think a lot of people said, you know, he was sensationalizing it taking advantage of it Plus he's also gotten busted in the past for kind of being a little racist Uh in his videos and that's his little brother. I think they got nailed Yeah, or him making like he was in japan kind of making fun of the culture And you know the everybody's super sensitive about that stuff now too So yeah, he's getting fucking taken down That's the thing that's crazy about this new social media celebrity Is that you can rise very quickly But you can fall just as fast if not faster than anything I've ever seen because They don't have like publicists and stuff like the like the other people did, you know on on tv and stuff Oh, and and people the the the bigger you are the more targets you have on your back, man I tell you what like I mean, it was one of the things that we we talked about when we first started this like no matter what like listen that the transparency thing is so important because Eventually someone's gonna hate and find some out. So if you put something out there I doubt you're gonna put something out there that I haven't fucking talked about like I haven't put Put out about myself already so Because I and I think a lot of that part of our motivation was knowing that thinking like that, you know This is partially not only are we being honest and sharing but then we're also protecting ourselves that Listen asshole already said that about me. I brought that up. You're not covered it. Yeah, right You're not uncovering anything big about me. I've already admitted to that or said that so Yeah, it's just I mean it's a scary place to be for somebody when you get that much that much power So many eyes on him. Yeah, right. It'll be interesting to see how he how he handles and now he gets that Let's bring on the media bird. Let's go bird This clause brought to you by organized For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge Try organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com That's or gani fi.com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20 off at checkout First up is cody phillips 1791 I recently injured my achilles tendon and it sucks because I'm scared to do anything because I don't want to tear it I was wondering what adam has been doing as far as recovery and eating the healing process. Oh shit. Well Uh injured and in torn is probably a different scenario here. So I don't know how how bad this guy did his achilles I'm in a fucking boot for the next six to eight weeks. So there's not a lot of rehabbing going on Um, but I'll I'll tell you what the doctor and I talked about The one of the things he was most impressed about when I got there was how how much the inflammation was down for such a bad injury already And but that was just me knowing that as soon as it happened I literally went home elevated it and I have a back from my knee surgery I had got a um, what are those called the normatic? Ice machines or that just keeps coming cold. Yeah that way you don't you know, you can just keep it on forever, right? so I strapped that on or wrapped it around my ankle and foot and up my calf and and got it elevated and was just I was living on the ice Constantly and elevating and that's helped that Uh, and then I was kind of mobilizing it and doing like circles and the alphabet with my foot to just kind of get it used Just doing what you can. Yeah doing what I can but actually the doctor Told me to stop doing that and that because there there is so much damage there That he wants to keep it in a fixed position to help speed up the scar tissue build up I was going to say that's usually the protocol right as they get you a certain like angle of the boot And then they slowly kind of like change the angle. Yeah, so I have a month exactly I have a I think we started with like a 30 degree plantar flexion in in the heel And there's these little risers that are about a quarter inch and then he's just Slowly chip it off, but I'm also, you know Here's a time where okay great. We got a sponsor organifi that carries turmeric I don't really use turmeric that much In on a regular basis, but I am now because of Right it's an anti-inflammatory so that and I have we now have the gold juice So now that I have those I can all start using that because it tastes amazing It's even better than doing like the pill form. So, you know, I'll be doing that Um, so right now there's not a lot that I'm doing but I will just so this guy knows I'm going to document this process I will be heading over to see brink and we'll be doing the the red light therapy on it We'll be getting into the cryo on it and laser stuff like So I will be doing some things to treat it and then I will be doing I'm not going to go to physical therapy I'm going to do all my own rehab and I can share some of the things that I start doing once that process happens But right now I'm I'm so freshly Injured that there's not a lot of things that I'm I'm doing right now that Is that's related to rehab. It's more about protecting it letting the scar tissue Build up and letting it heal. So when when I hear I I I know I totally fully understand why doctors will say Don't move something at all and I think part of it is rooted in The older mentality or which dare I say is a little bit outdated where if you have Something that's injured acutely That you shouldn't touch it and you shouldn't move it at all because if you do then it's going to slow down The healing process. I think part of that comes from The average person when they come in with an injury and you tell them God forbid you tell them to move a little bit. They don't understand How much to move or how far to push or ranges of motion And so they tend to re-injure themselves or cause more problems Now in the case of someone like you Who you know, you're you know, you know, you're body you're you've been in fitness for a long time You understand correctional exercise. You understand your limits. You know what good and bad pain is Far more than the average person The studies will show that movement Facilitates and accelerates healing even in acute injuries. Now the key is knowing How much movement right and how so depending on the acute that how acute the injury is threshold is there Right. So you sitting there moving your foot around not pushing it to the edges But just moving it around it's only going to accelerate healing healing and the The studies are now supporting this the other thing is this here's a lot of people talk about How tough it is to heal from an injury But what a lot of people don't talk about is after the injury he is healed You are now in a secondary situation And I believe that secondary situation is the uh, is the the cause of most of the chronic problems that people have After an injury. It's not the injury itself. Like I break my leg. I tear me acute my Achilles partially I have a partial tear in my pec whatever And I immobilize it or and I let it heal and then when I go to move and stuff I've got poor recruitment patterns and tightness that's now Developed as a result for example, we'll talk about your Achilles Your foot now is fixed in this You know almost 90 degree angle. Maybe not quite 90 degrees, right? They have it. They put a slight heel on it It's about a 30 degree plantar 30. Okay. So 30 degree plantar Your calf your soleus your all these muscles that support the ankle your tibialis muscle Are frozen if you were to put your foot completely frozen in that position They eventually become frozen that position your central nervous system now becomes uncomfortable With lengthening or shortening shortening out of that position because it you're stuck It creates governing system around that around that so I think the best thing you could do if you know what you're fucking doing Which I think adam does for sure Is move it a little bit and then do some massage On the affected muscles not on the injury and the reason why I say doing massage is because when you press on a Muscle and improve on what's called the pliability You studies will show that that does Uh improve or at least contribute to some flexibility. It's not quite as good as stretching when you're trying to get range of motion But it is causing the cns to to to you know, um to to feel stuff that's happening and prevent So much tightening. So I would say Massage the muscles that may be affected as long as you're not near the injury you're hurting yourself So like in this case calf massage soleus massage Uh, uh, maybe your uh, your tibialis massage and then slight very slight movement or just activating the muscle and flexing the muscle a bit That'll make you heal uh faster because the old model of like don't move leave it Um, I think has caused uh, definitely it's a safe route because you're not going to re-hurt it Right, but it caused a lot. I mean how many times if you guys had clients who came to you Who are like, oh, I had sure shoulder surgery, you know Four years ago and they still have like terrible dysfunction. Yeah, that's where I think I think there's less I think right now going through the first like four weeks of this injury and and hoping that we get the scar tissue to build up as fast as possible Is is one thing and then I think the rehab process is a whole another thing because That to me is where I think that's where the biggest mistake is. I think the biggest mistake is not The well, it's all part of the rehab process. Yeah, but I don't think the not mobilizing it as much when the injury first occurs Is as detrimental as the way people rehab in my opinion in my opinion The biggest mistakes are made During the rehab protocol and the lack of attention to detail and when you're getting back to your movements Because you have been frozen in this fixed position. I have no doubt in my mind That after I get done from having a boot On my foot for six to eight weeks that I have changed recruitment patterns There will be this new learning curve. Oh, dude Just watching you stand because you've got an elevated foot that's higher than the other ones So now your hips have to shift right affecting your back and all that was so And I don't think in that six to eight week time that you know, if I didn't do enough mobilizing of the foot I'm gonna have done set myself that far back It's what I do going forward to me that where I think a lot of because then a lot because what happens Is just like what you're saying and what the point you're trying to make is that a doctor Tells somebody that and then they hear that and they're like, oh my doc said don't move it Don't do anything about it So not only do you not do it during the whole healing process But even when it heals after that you're still really careful not to move you're naturally gonna have to change your recruitment patterns Because you have to favor it for a while right till you can actually apply You know that amount of force and pressure like substantially to it So, um, you know, it it's sort of somewhere in the middle where yeah You have to you have to have a good knowledge of how to do that And have a background in like knowing your thresholds But obviously mobilizing it will help to to facilitate, you know the recovery quicker Well, and I'll tell people when and how I do that right now because I don't agree with well I don't now especially after confirming with the doctor because I was kind of you know mobilizing it more And he was one who told me like no I want you to be into a fixed position more to let it heal faster And that is this is that when I take the boot off and I ice I bring down the inflammation That already allows more range of motion because the inflammation comes down And then I do I just do like these circles With my ankle or when I go to bed and the boot is off and I'm laying in bed and stuff like that It allowed has it gotten real swollen after you've done like a couple sessions like that No, because uh, I do it post right after ice So I'm it's kind of like so your icing is 20 20 on 20 off type of deal, right? So I'll be like watching tv or something ice elevate The inflammation comes down I take it off let it breathe for a little bit while I'm letting it breathe I'm kind of just doing these little movements and just some of them are just like wiggling in my toes I just want to stay connected down there more than anything like me me trying to push the range of motion And no, it's not a pressure thing. It's just the right right. I think I think that's a good thing I think you're only going to accelerate The healing process It's also why I choose to be on crutches or walk on it to opposed to you've seen those little scooters And I had people DM me like, oh, you should just do one of those those little scooters. They're awesome Yeah, and I'm like, no, that's even worse Like it's worse for me to use one of those scooters and really like You want to make sure because atrophy is going to happen too I'm not I'm not putting a lot of weight on it because I'm shifting more of my weight to the dominant side So I'm already at a disadvantage there. I put it on a fucking scooter I'm really going to send that signal the bottom line is when when you when you have a hammer Everything's a fucking nail everything looks like a nail and when you go to your surgeon And you have a problem They are surgery they understand that it's not malintent. Oh dude before I went so I don't know if I told you I already shared this on air or not but Before I went and so brink dr. Brink was the one who hooked me up with the doctors And I said he hooked me up with an MRI somewhere and then we went to another place to go see the doctor And I said, uh, uh orthopedic surgeon and I said to brink. I said, hey, listen, dude in my experience Uh, I always I know the doctors are always going to lean towards surgery because that's what they're professionally If you're an orthopedic surgeon, you went to fucking school to be badass at fucking doing surgery That's what you know. Yeah, badass new surgeon And so you like you're saying you look at everything like a nail that listen it's broken I can fix it and even if it's not fully broken I can still do some good for it And so they still recommend surgery and so I told him I said I do not want to have surgery It is a unless it's absolutely. Yes, unless a doctor says to me It's absolutely and I knew that I still had some of the ligament there because I did have some movement there So I knew it wasn't completely severed and gone So I believe that hey, there's definitely potential that I can rehab this myself and bring it back So he's doctors telling me so I know that Brink has kind of prefaced it already to him so you could just tell by the way he's speaking to me like, you know So surgery is not necessary necessary, but I do recommend it He says I recommend it for because you he says you do have a lot of damage He laid me on the he laid me he laid me on the table face down And he did this test to show Katrina And he went on my good calf and he went down and he like would squeeze my calf all the way down to my ankle Yeah, and you see and you'd see my my foot move and he went to the left side and there's no movement No response Flip all the way all the way down and my foot just laying there like a fucking dead fin And so he's like, you know, you definitely have a good amount of damage that's been done in there And I would recommend surgery and this and that and this and it would it would decrease the chances of you re-injuring it So now if I'm a normal patient, I hear that you're scared. I'm scared and I say fuck Yes, but the response to that that I tell people they should do and what I did was said, well, what is the percentage? How substantial yes, how substantial what if I have surgery? How much is that going to increase or decrease the chances of me doing that? He says maybe somewhere between five to 15 percent I'm like, I'll fucking take my chances, right five to 15 chances knowing my and that's what I mean And that's what I mean. They're a hammer. Everything looks like a nail What I do I shout out to the doctor. Dr. Murray was through the doctor was and I know he's a badass Yeah, no, he was I know who he is because I my gym was in Los Gatos and I heard about him And he's a badass orthopod. Yeah, but you know orthopods. No They don't know anything about rehab. They don't they're not supposed to they understand Surgery, which is what you want them to know you go get surgery You want that dude or that girl or whatever to be awesome at it, but they don't know rehab They don't know any of that stuff. They understand surgery. They know pre-op post-op and that's pretty much it So when you go in with the problem that they may have a solution to their solution is going to be Surgery and this is part of the problem. Like, you know, I'll tell you what man I like I said, I've talked about this before but I had a family member Had cancer. She was terminal We go to the the oncologist and the oncologist basically is like, okay, we can try this this chemo regime And they didn't expect me to ask ask questions and I'm like, okay Well, how much longer is this gonna how much longer this have or survive? Well, the literature shows that first they say well, we don't know. Yeah. Well, we don't know but the literature I don't know maybe like Maybe a few weeks to a month and so that's important to fucking know because if I'm fighting Dude, if I'm fighting terminal cancer And I'm gonna be on this fucking hardcore chemo regime and I may live another, you know month But I'm sick as hell and I'm just feeling like garbage and you know, maybe my quality life is reducing It might not be worth it. So it's important to know. So, you know, the question you asked Adam was perfect Like what are my chances of re-injuring it if I don't get what are the increase of chances if I don't get surgery 5 to 15% Well, you know what that sounds like to me. That sounds like I know how to rehab really well I understand correctional exercise. I think that's a great. Those are great statistics So do I I think it's and I think just simply knowing that Because I told him I was very open to about the whole testosterone thing. I said, man, I had no idea until Until this happened that having low testosterone that I was at a higher risk He says, well, yeah, absolutely says high or low testosterone will do it So even high he says well, you are at a higher risk to have an Achilles injury just like then being normal Yeah, really high testosterone Because your your strength goes up so quickly in your muscles your tendons the contrast there Your tendons and ligaments they don't have time right and that one I've always known right? So I've always been aware of generating so much power Right I've been aware of that and I've seen that happen to many guys in the gym who tear a pack or something because they're doing steroids and they fucking are doing way more weight Their muscles can handle it, but their ligaments and joints and tendons So like whoa, this is happening and then they just keep ramping it right without thinking right No, I had a I had a cousin who you know benched in 400 pounds, you know and just literally ripped this peck right off Man, I'm just yeah forever forever. I saw a quad. I saw someone rip a quad Right off their foot patella, but I shoot up into the dude's hip to fucking horrible for Cody's answer I will uh, I will document this I will share this as of right now I I mean I'm sick right now too So I haven't even got a chance to get back to like lifting my upper body and doing things like that in the gym I'll give if those that follow me on instagram know that my story has been a little weak lately And that's just because I've been fucked up lately and we've been traveling and a lot going on But I will get to that and I will definitely share that Next question is from the hungry trainer your thoughts on the resistance Tubes and bands that a lot of girls are wearing around their thighs during their leg workouts these days. That's hilarious. So uh first off Love absolutely love resistance bands and tubes. Oh, yeah, they're fantastic circles are great man for primers They're fantastic tools and like all tools you if you use them right They've got a great purpose if you use them wrong, they're at best a waste of time at worst You can cause uh imbalances or lots of issues now. Here's why I like tubes I like bands and tubes because they're very versatile And the type of resistance that they provide Is very different from the resistance you'll get from A machine or from Free weights it's progressive resistance obviously the further out you stretch a tube the harder it gets So it gives you that kind of ramp up, you know feature that it's it's cool about them strength curve a little bit more specifically A little bit more and it doesn't it doesn't seem to cause nearly as much muscle damage. I've done I've actually done Full heavy heavy just tube workouts. Um, and you just don't Damage muscle and hammer your cns like you do with free weights Which is a good thing because you can add them to workouts and not and and still send somewhat of a muscle building signal Well, you understand what this guy's saying though as far a girl I don't know is saying how they're using it, right? They're using it wrong They're just like leaving it on there thinking that their glutes are always going to be firing Yeah, they're just put they're typically what putting around their knees and so that they have to kind of push out I've seen girls do that with like leg press They still have it on then they get up then they squat then they go to this through that to the other You got to explain though. Here's the deal like there's there is a reason why you feel it So I know there's girls are listening right now. I'm like, I don't care what my bump says when I do that My fucking ass gets sore like crazy So and that a part of that is that's your your your glute meat kicking in to keep the knees opened up So when you do a leg press you go to do a squat and because you have a band on there It forces you to activate your glute meat before you even get into the squat So before you can get in the squat before you get in the leg press You're already activating the glute means you're pushing your knees out and you have to do that because you have a band around it So And a lot of people this is something that they have a problem with one of the most common things that you see with someone Who leg presses or squats is the caving in of the knees and even some people that don't have it bad Still have it slightly and what that is is the glute meat is somewhat turned off in a sense So they're not firing it properly The beautiful part is if you actually learn to squat with good depth and good form And know that part of the cues are keep your knees from collapsing in You squatting with some good weight and actually actively thinking about keeping your knees open will develop that glute meat Just like you want along the way I'll give you an example of when this would be a bad idea and this is relatively rare I'm going to use an extreme example because you see this sometimes in a regular population But I've trained dancers. I've trained ballet dancers and uh, you know, classically trained dancers and When you're a dancer, especially in ballet, you do a lot of hip This is where the leg goes out and separates from the body where the legs go out from the body So it's like it's like abduction would be like that good girl bad girl machine where you're pushing your knees out or whatever When whenever I've trained dancers their knees don't cave in their knees go out And it turns into everything we do turns into a sumo squat or a plie Where no matter if I try to keep them pointing straight the knees point out It would be disastrous to put a band around this person's legs because what you'd be doing is you would make it You would be making the imbalance you exaggerate way worse where their feet want to turn out and knees want to turn out So that's just an example of how just throwing bands around your knees because like I feel this more in my butt Might not be a good idea Bands are great for correction And what you want to do is you want to add resistance towards the direction that you're weak in So that you have to constantly keep, you know, you know be mindful of that tension The other thing you can do with bands is you can do them in between your workouts Like we like we talk about in our programs maps on a ball in particular We recommend trigger sessions and we recommend using bands for those trigger sessions because they're really effective In that context, but in this particular sense, I I don't know about you guys But I rarely see people using bands right in the gym Yeah, and even then like you're using an external like a trigger for that, right? You're you need that signal provided after a while I get dependent on that for you to fire You know in order for to fire order for it to fire So, you know like you got to just be mindful of like what you're teaching your body for all these different movements And like is this coming intrinsically? Can I produce force on command and in the right direction? With with each one of these like compound movements, or do I need assistance from some kind of a right external force Simple way to simple way to to still use this more effectively, right would be You can you could pre-exhaust the glute means by doing some You know two blocking right for example two blockings and again the glute now you woke them up Right, woke them up You feel what's being activated while you're doing it and then you go into your squat or leg press movement And while you're doing it, you're already actively thinking about that part of the glute While you do it and you're gonna and it's gonna help I promise I think where I noticed girls that feel this the most and get sore and they so this obviously this is where they Oh, I got sore so they've connected that to it's super effective Are the ones that only squat down to about 90 degrees They do these short little pumping squats and they have bands around their knees And they're not taking they've been doing quad type squatting for so long Now all of a sudden they put a band around their knees fixed angles with a smith machine And they don't actually yeah Stabilize any of their joints if you learn to listen If you are a good squatter, let me tell you if you're a girl trying to build your ass If you are a good squatter by meaning good range of motion good form and you focus on strength You will build your ass better than any fucking Fancy, you know glute thing and that ends including even like our boy brekkin chairs who puts out the hip thrust and all that's all great And that's that's dandy and those will help and those will help build you But I'll tell you right now If you don't squat properly and you only come down to 90 degrees and you stop there And the bands have been your answer to get more glute activation. It is important. We got to say this though Uh, if you do squat low, you got to have good control. I just don't want a bunch of people here in this tension in it Yeah, I don't want a bunch of people like oh, I'm going to go all the way down No, you got a point of being a great squatter is learning that you may you may not be capable of that right now I was not a good squatter two years ago. I was not able to go all the way down I consider myself a pretty good squatter now I don't think I'm great by any means at all and I'm definitely not somebody be like that guys the squatter But I for sure have addressed a lot of the issues that I had that kept me that limited me From being a good squatter and nothing has developed my legs in my butt more than just being able to do that working So put all your energy in f and we do look our butt our butt builder bundle includes a modification in it where we We program out how to get these things to fire properly so that when you do your squats and stuff They actually work and go lower and you can activate the glutes and get everything to work the way it's supposed to Right, that's right in all our bundles this month. We're hooking people up with a free shirt So if you're already looking in this direction anyways, check out the butt builder bundle get hooked up with a free tea Gotcha. Next question is from Andrea malecchi What do you think about cycling different diets seasonally in a health conscious, but also experimental way? For example, high fat keto bone broth diets in the winter Paleo in the fall vegan in the spring and carb cycling in the summer. I love it. This is a I love it This is uh now There is some science to point That this might actually be a good strategy Nothing specifically, but they do show that people who live In colder climates, for example Do in their native diets do tend to contain higher levels of certain fat soluble vitamins like vitamin d Because and they probably evolved to do this or it worked out that way because they're not getting a lot of sun So like if you're you live in greenland, uh, you may eat a lot of these, you know You know cod liver you or you know these these organ meats from these, you know Animals that are that are native there that tend to be very high in things like vitamin d where in the summer You just go out in the sun. I think this is I really think that this is a smart Theory I really do because it falls the seasons. It just makes yeah a lot of sense One of the reasons why humans can eat so differently And get away with eating so differently. We were just we were just uh, what was that video adam? You were seeing where that guy's like i'm going to be eating just meat for the next year Oh, there's some guy right now. That's a full hundred. He's been a carnivore a year. He's been a carnivore. Joe Rogan Yeah, I listened to what was his name. Do you know his name? I don't remember the doctor. Yeah Yeah, this guy's been eating 100 meat for for the last year now Is that ideal long-term? No, can you get away with it? You probably could if you're healthy bodies are amazing the human body listen we were we were we traveled Listen, I got away with eating three protein bars and two shakes every fucking day for fucking years For like 10 years, bro. Yeah, I didn't die. So yeah, you could do it. I've been the best Right. You can do a lot of shit for a long time Well, I mean, I mean we have a very non specific diet unlike a lot of animals Some animals are very specific with the what what they eat like, you know, whales They'll just eat plankton or and this particular animal will only eat this type of fruit Humans were hunter-gatherers we spread out all over the place Sometimes it was freezing cold and there was zero vegetation zero fruits and zero roots and all we did was eat What we hunted so we probably went carnivore for you know periods of time or just got fish for periods of time There was other times when I'll tell you what if you're a hunter-gatherer And you're looking to hunt and you find a shit ton of fruits and vegetables and nuts and seeds You ain't gonna hunt no because it's right there. I don't need to chase it down. It's not dangerous I'm just gonna eat this and chill because that's safe So humans can do well on lots of different types of foods and it was it's very likely That our diets uh cycle not just likely I can I'll bet money on it that our diets Cycled through the seasons because of what grew Around us, you know at sometimes, you know, it was available. Absolutely. Well, I know this makes perfect sense I know andre is in our forum. I would love to see you do this and document and share it Here's the thing for I just think she on that show. Yeah on the right with steve austin Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I think that she's a badass. I think this is a an awesome idea It would be a fun experiment to do. It's something that I would love to do this The the part that I'm kind of realistic with is I know that that's a major commitment That's a major commitment to stick to that and seasons and it's funny because it's the reason why it's a major commitment Is because modern lifestyle like makes it too easy. I can fucking eat It makes it too easy to be one of the other right like you you might find out like you're going keto And you're like man, this has just worked really good with my lifestyle But you're like, oh shit winners over now. I got to switch over to paleo. This is different now, right? So the irony is that that we evolved that this is the way we had to eat because that was all that was available Where now eating the way that we evolved actually would be really challenging new world problems because we have so much I would not be surprised if a diet book. That's that's I would love to I would love to write one around bro. I'll tell you what because if there's something that I Okay, that's got all that's got sales all over it. We got all the freaking brilliant It is a brilliant brilliant guide or a book to write because I we talked about we just talked about it at the convention Someone asked one of the questions that was asked to Sal and I was well, what diet do you guys follow or how do you eat? And I said, you know, we don't subscribe to one diet And and we and we don't believe that anybody should subscribe to one diet unless you have a specific Condition where one of them you're right other than that You we should all be searching for All the different foods and that when you follow a protocol because even what works best isn't always going to be the case Right, exactly. So I think something if I were to subscribe to a way of eating Uh rotating in and out I I kind of do that naturally, but I don't match the seasons. Andrea Andrea's Brilliant by the way the way she put to put this together because for sure in the winter If you're eating what's around you. It's probably going to be high fat keto You know animal based Paleo in the fall vegan in the spring and carbs. I this is I mean, she's brilliant the way she put it together I would not be surprised. In fact, I bet you I can find it in the next two seconds. There's probably a diet book I'm sure but it makes perfect. Just so you know in our intuitive guide We actually kind of do this We just don't lay it out for a year and say that but an intuitive guy We have an examples of a paleo of a vegan what a what a day of eating looks like that So you somebody if you don't have the intuitive guide You can actually use that guide as a guide for you to do follow a similar protocol as this But I can't wait to hear if she's going to do this. Everything would be awesome Next question is from rosen trained if you could create a drinking game for listening to my What would the rules be just and so picked this question? I totally did I think this would be so much fun. It would be fun to do this. What will we It has to be around like one of our of course character, right? I think every time sal says I have there's a ladies and gentlemen or a study you have to take you have to take a drink. Yeah, obviously every time I'm Say like or um, or I do that a million times or pause in your story. Yeah I do I mess up enough words in a fucking episode that you did that you could actually Yeah Every time I make up a word time you eat on the podcast about every time we talk about mind pump in the third person Oh, yeah, I mean like mind pump wants to what mind pump wants to do Do we do a lot of that shot shot shot my green word for my girlfriend points it out all the time Yeah, she's like, why does mind pump talk about mind pump all the time? You know, I think well, it's a little bit hard too and you're referencing all three of you It's easier to say mind pump than to go dub justin sal and me, you know, right? So or refer to every we should tell the forum to create a drinking. Yeah, I think that's what we need No, I think I think this would be done best by others who have listened and laughed and probably made fun of us You put it together. We'll promote it and you know, I will literally I think when you hear I'll do it with you guys you hear Doug laughing in the background. You have to take three shots Oh, yeah, because it doesn't happen too often, but when it does that's like a home run That's like a slam of beer. Yeah, you know if someone put some diamond in this you could make it cool If you went like, okay, there's a a drink for this a shot for this a beer chug for this Yeah, if I opened up with a song, you know, you gotta right, right? Yeah, this would be fun Actually, if a forum member put this together, I would love to I don't want anybody getting too sick though We gotta be careful about this. That's why they need to put it together. Did you guys? Did you guys not us? Did you guys ever play century club? No, oh, yeah. Yeah, so century club is a beer shots of beer, right? So this is actually kind of a cool cool drinking game. Um, but uh, I say this with caution Uh, what you do is you make a well back from dating myself when you say I was gonna say cassette tape You make a cassette tape First you got to find a DeLorean So right Scott so well, we made a mix tape and it's a hundred minutes long And so there are one minute songs and not a song that's a minute, but one minute of a song So you're you can rage and tool and whatever the country, whatever the fuck you want to spotify mix Right spotify mix whatever it is, but you they can only be one minute long And so what you and you have all your cans of beer and you're probably I think you end up going through about 10 So you need about 10 cans of beer per person And the game is who can make it all the way through the century club and it's just taking a shot of beer So every time a new song comes on you take a one-out shot of a beer And then you just a hundred ounces. Oh, yeah, it adds up. That's gross. Yes So a hundred ounces of beer. It's beer. So but it's crazy because when you start getting you're like you start off and you're like It's easy every time I've started this game with at parties when I was younger You know and you teach it to somebody they always are like drinking a beer with it because it's too slow like oh I'm gonna be I'm this is yeah. Yeah, I start doubling up about 30 40 songs in You're starting to feel the buzz kicking because of how fast you're taking these one-out shots And before you know it you're pretty hammered playing this game and not a lot of people can finish the full hundred hundred songs That's terrible. It's a great game though. Check this out. We are in january We have our 30 day workout for free which is programmed by us So every single day on our youtube channel mind pump tv You'll get a new workout every day. 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