 Welcome to the Tuesday, January the 3rd, 2023 meeting of the Montpelier Design and Review Committee. I will let committee members and staff introduce themselves. Martha Smirsky, member. Meredith Crandall, staff. Steven Everett, member. Ben, you have to unmute yourself. Benjamin Cheney, yeah. Benjamin Cheney, staff. I mean, what am I? I'm a member. Sorry. Australia time. It's okay. I will let staff Meredith in particular review the remote meeting procedures. Thanks, Bill. All right, so I'm going to share my screen. All right. And so a lot of the screen here is for anybody who's watching over Orca media, but there's some points here for anybody who's on remotely as well to pay attention to. So for anyone who is viewing this meeting tonight of the design review committee need that design review committee over Orca media, you can participate in tonight's meeting via the zoom platform. You can either type this into your web browser, and it should bring you right into the meeting and then I'll let you into this particular zoom room, or you can call this phone number and put in this meeting ID when prompted. If you're having any issues getting into the meeting, you can email me at mcrandall at Montpelier hyphen vt.org and I will be monitoring my email throughout the meeting. Please note for those who are attending via zoom that we're going to that turning on your video is optional. We do ask that you remain muted when you aren't speaking. This helps reduce background noise. And for those of you who have called in over the phone, you can use star six to mute or unmute yourself. We ask that you use the zoom chat function only for troubleshooting our logistics questions. If you have comments on a particular application, please make sure to do that verbally over the zoom function and so far tonight we just have a committee member and the two application representatives on remotely so that shouldn't be too much of a problem. If the public is unable to access this meeting it will need to be continued to a time and place certain on now hand the meeting back over to the chair. At this point, do I hear a motion to approve the agenda. I'll move to approve the agenda. This is Martha. I'll second it. All in favor of approval approval of the agenda speak your names, Martha. Steve. Ben. The agenda is approved. At this point, unless anyone has anything else to offer, we can go to the first application for 147 Main Street on our applicant endeavors Inc. Change of assigned panel with the applicant like to describe their application. Hi, good evening. Can everyone hear me. Yes. Yeah, keeping it briefly. We have the existing restaurant, the social and the inner not tell your space. I'm also the property owner. We are changing the menu and focus of the restaurant and in doing so a new name that emphasizes that and our head chef Dave Penzo. So we are before the committee today to request changing the current social sign that hangs out in front of the property underneath the inner not tell your sign with the new pencil pizza sign. It is the exact same material as the existing social sign. It is slightly smaller by about 10% than the social sign. No changes to lighting or any other new changes to signage properties just literally changing out that existing hanging sign beneath the inner not tell your sign. Michael, when do you anticipate making the change to the restaurant. So we're currently painting dining rooms and such. We closed the socials done and after the fall season so we're hoping to open and read around fed first for dining again for patrons. Okay. Do any members have any additional questions comments or suggestions. No problem with the change in the sign. I did notice Michael though the last time I went by there. We had recommended that you put toppers on the top of your post on your sign. And I hadn't seen those caps yet. Are they there yet. Yeah. Okay. Yes ma'am they are actually if you look at the cut sheet you'll see that's a new photo and the caps are on top of those posts. Yay. They look great. They blend in they're painted the same color but yes. Yeah they look good Michael. Thank you. I just want to say I had the same comment and questions so thank you for bringing that up Martha. Okay, if no one has anything else to add at this point we can go through the criteria. This there's a set of criteria for science and the design control over Lake District. Number one the size location design color texture lighting and material of all exterior designs within the design review district shall be compatible with the buildings and structures of the site and surrounding properties that's acceptable. If a building has multiple tenants there shall be consistency in the placement and size among all signs that's acceptable. Design, design, color and typography shall respect historic precedents were appropriate and shall be the appropriate scale for existing and new buildings acceptable. Science support structures shall be compatible with a building architecture and must not be overly complex or dominant in and of themselves acceptable. Unless anyone else has anything to add. Again, let's speak your names. If you are in favor of the application. This is Martha I say yes. Ben Ben says yes. And Steve says yes. So it's approved. Three in favor, none opposed. Michael, because there haven't been any adjustments or recommendations on this form. You don't need to sign anything else we will get that permit issued and mailed out to you as soon as possible. Great. Thank you very much everyone appreciate your time. Because he didn't. Okay, because he's remote we have an entity on that if you don't make recognition. Have a great night Michael. Thank you very much and good luck with your new project. Thank you. Take care. You too. The next application is for 89 Main Street, honor Doug Netty and genus, Jenny sir, Jenis Larra be review for the new wall side. Yeah, that's facing that a little weird and the printed out version. Sorry about that. Okay, that's okay. I'm going to push it on for that. Okay. You want to unmute yourself. Go ahead and describe your application. Okay, so we're looking to add signage to the out front of the building at the city center. There is not one currently there I think it used to be the Edward Jones investment. So we're going to change that area into a salon. And how are you proposing your sign. So we're looking to do. It looks like a 44 inch by 22 inch. I think you guys have the picture of it. I just hope it's the current one because at first we were going more like circle but you guys had advised to go more rectangle because all the other signs in the building were in fact rectangle. So we're going to change that out. I just wanted to make sure you guys have the right one. Yeah, we gave them the most recent image with the single with the way you did the photos showing what it is on the buildings, and with the, like you said the 44 inches by 22 inches. Okay, perfect. And what is the material. Um, they did not tell us yet what we were able to use I think we were just using it's the same the person who's making our signages is the same person who did all the rest for the building. So we just told them to copy the same material that it was used I'm not entirely sure what it is though. I think it's it's actually on number seven. Yeah it's on the application. I'm sorry I interrupted you. The sign it says the sign is made from wood and painted black gold and sage green. Okay, perfect. Okay. And I understand that you didn't you're not proposing any lighting is that correct. Um, we, I think we would like to do lighting we're just we're just not ready for it yet. I almost think there's lighting, there's like the one by. There's there's lighting on the artist's hand sign beside it. Yes. And if, yeah, but that's the same exact kind of lighting we were thinking. And if members would approve, we could indicate that they could use met one or two matching goose necks. Okay, those next to that. That mimic the artists and the tan lighting. Yeah, we would just need the. For the permit purposes, you wouldn't need to come back to design review. But we would need the details on the actual light fixture, including how many lumens the lamp or bolt inside emits, because we'd actually have to evaluate the entire parcel. For the amount of exterior lighting that's already on the building. But I think if we get, you know, if you wanted to get the permit issued for the sign, because we okayed the, that style of lighting if you stuck within that you could come back for the sign permit when you're ready and we can do that separately or we can do it as part of this one if you want to wait on the sign for a little bit so you have that information. No, I think we'll just continue through and then if we decide we wanted to add that we can just reapply a permit for that. Perfect. We could say either a single or two black goose neck fixtures matching the artisan's hand could be used at their option. I'd be okay with with one. It looks like it might be a little crowded with two, but I'd be fine with one. Okay. Okay, you're right. It's a smaller sign. So that would, that would certainly give you enough lighting, doing some blackout editing. I have a question. Is there a way for me to see the picture that you guys have for the logo only because it did get changed because the guy who is making our sign said that it stretched it too far just to make sure. And then I got from the city hall. It was not the correct one but she said that she sent in the correct one and that it should be on there. Give me a second. I need to rotate. So that is the image of what it looks like. Can you see the shared screen. Trisha, can you see this shared screen on the zoom. The image looks practically like that, but it's not because he said when it stretched it, it didn't, it wasn't clear enough. So the leaves are actually below, like they're, they kind of swoop right underneath the be up above the end to give it a more clear picture. So the leaves are angled down a little bit more. They're just stretched a little bit further down so that way he said that when it was stretched out it just didn't read it didn't read clearly. Okay, so the leaves, you said they're like pointed more off to the sides. Yeah, you have I can send you the exact picture. Yeah, can you email that to me right now. Yeah. Yep. It's the mcrandle at Montpelier hyphen vt.org. And I can pull that up while everybody's on right now. And then I'll make sure to print that one off and put it in the file. You said it's mcrandle. Yep, mcrandle m c r a n d a l l at Montpelier hyphen vt.org. And we have this one where the leaves are inside. And then there's one where the leaves are out. Yeah, but it's not that one. Not that one. Yeah, I'm not sure I got the most recent one then. Oh, wait, no, that's not it. Okay. Is that the correct. She said no there's they made some sort of tweak to where how the leaves are oriented so that you can read the words more more easily so she's going to email me. Because that was, if you look at the first one where it was a square. Yes, the leaves are inside. There's one more where it's just sort of like the quasi the initial image that's more their logo. Oh yeah, the lead on the inside. But I think I don't think that's what she's talking about either. No, give me a minute. Either one is acceptable. Yeah. And again, whatever one if they just turned each of two leaves just to give it space away from the lettering would make it certainly readable whether it's to the. Yeah, that's all they did the person who was designing it just said that we needed to have the leaves a little bit further out because going from circle to rectangle, it just made it so you couldn't read it. Yeah, pushing everything together. Okay, either either one is fine. Again, you're just trying to space the leaves away from the letters to give more background color to separate it out. So as long as you just get me a copy of that so I can put it in the file. That's fine. I think that the committees all fine with it so they'll go through the same list of criteria that they did for the last one. And again, the list of criteria number one, the size location design color texture lighting and material of all exterior signs within design review district, shall be compatible with the buildings and structures of the site and surrounding properties acceptable where appropriate signing shall respect the original sign placement and sign bands on a strike structures acceptable. If a building has multiple tenants, there shall be consistency and placement in size among all signs acceptable. It is recommended that sign placement be centered over building entries, not in a bit and not applicable in this particular location but it's fine in the proposed location of the sign. Sign installation shall minimize damage to character defining materials on the building acceptable. In masonry buildings, that's not applicable here. Sign design color and typography shall respect historic precedence where appropriate, and shall be the appropriate scale for existing and new buildings acceptable. Sign support structure shall be compatible with the building architecture and must not be overly complex or dominant in and of themselves. This one's applied directly to the sign band that's acceptable. And the optional change was a single black goose neck light fixture, matching the artisans and sign lighting may be installed an applicants option. All in favor of the application members speak their names. This is Martha I say yes. Ben says yes. And Steve says yes. So it passes three to zero. So Tricia, I, I don't think I have your email. I do have. And he says, and he says, so I will email a scanned copy of this recommendation for so that somebody can sign off on the option on there that that's acceptable to you. And then send us back a copy of that will be able to issue the sign permit. Yeah, for some reason, though, and I just want to go send that email it didn't go through so I must have clicked on something. I must type something in incorrectly. So what I can do is I can either give you might eat. What was that. No, sorry, I thought you were done. It was weird connection. That's okay. I can send the email as I'm pretty sure she has your email, or if you can take down my email and just send shoot me an email that I can send that to you. Okay, why don't you just give me your email address as long as you don't just being broadcast everywhere. Yep, it's TRI CIA. To you are T89 at gmail.com. Okay, I will email you Tricia. Perfect. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you. Great. And it looks like we can't approve the minutes. Because only Martha and Ben are here. Yep. So we'll respond back to the next meeting. And does anyone have any other business. At this point. Not for me. Three cockatoos that might want to say something. Can you share the picture? Yeah. On the back. There you go. So cool. Thank you, Ben. You made our day. Right. You have to stand over here. Getting up there. They're fun. That's awesome. That's amazing. Amazing halfway around the world. You're seeing it. It's still boggles the mind. Coming in for their treats. Oh, thank you for sharing that, Ben. Yes, thank you. And if. Thank you. You guys have a great night. Okay. Thank you. We should probably adjourn the meeting. Do I hear a motion to adjourn? I'll move to adjourn. Yep. All in all in favor of adjournment. Speak your names. Martha. And left. And Steve meeting is adjourned.