 Someone was asking me the other day, what's the difference between the RGB Superbundle and the MAPS Superbundle, right? Cause those are the two most popular. What is the difference, Sal? The difference between the two things, Justin. Yeah. The RGB Superbundle includes MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance and MAPS Aesthetic. Those are the core programs that we offer. And we recommend people follow them in order. So you start with MAPS Anabolic. When you finish that program, which is about three months, then you move on to MAPS Performance. You finish that program, then you move on to MAPS Aesthetic. And remember, each of the MAPS programs are broken down, broken up into phases. So you actually have like three different types of workouts in each one of those programs. Actually, MAPS Performance has four, yeah. Four different types of workouts. You follow all of them. It's about nine months of exercise programming. Phenomenal, great combination. Now MAPS, the MAPS Superbundle, takes it a step further and includes MAPS Anywhere, which is our equipment-free MAPS program, which a lot of people I'm hearing now like to use that as a bridge. So what they're doing is they're going MAPS Anabolic, which is obviously a lot of it's in the gym or working out with weights, then doing MAPS Anywhere and doing it at home, then finishing that and going into MAPS Performance. And they keep injecting it in between the core MAPS programs and people are getting great results with that. It also includes MAPS Prime. Now MAPS Prime includes what we call a Compass Test. And this is a self-assessment tool and it helps you identify parts of your body that need more work with fortification sessions or and it helps you design your own priming sessions. Now priming is what you do before you work out and believe it or not, it has a tremendous impact on the effectiveness of the workout that you're about to do. For example, if you prime properly, you'll get into your squats and you'll feel them differently. Muscles will fire better, you'll get better connectivity, better recruitment patterns and of course that all leads to- Better results. Better results. That's the MAPS Superbundle. Now this month, enrolling either one of those and we're gonna throw in for free the NoBS six pack formula, which is a program for your core, core training and our nutrition and fasting guides. So you get all that for free for enrolling in either one of those programs. So you can find all of this at mindpumpmedia.com. T-shirt time. How many reviews? How many reviews did we get? 15. 15 reviews. We're always right around that. 15s, it's all right. That's not bad. Not too bad. It's pretty crazy how consistent that is. It's okay. 15 to 20. Are they the same people? Are these all new people? No, they have to be new, right? I think they're new. I don't know. Different names. Yeah, they're like sometimes. I know some people, like I got a guy who inboxed me and he says, I've left a ton of reviews and I haven't got a sure yet. I'm like, wait a second. So they just keep adding to the bottom? Do we just keep getting more? Do they erase the old review and put the new one in? That's the question. It'd be really interesting to see how that works. Yeah, to see if people are trying to game the system. Hey, look, your odds of winning a T-shirt, the numbers keep increasing though. The overall numbers keep increasing. Here you go, cheaters. Go ahead, Doug. We just hand you the playbook. I don't think any of these people are cheaters. Hey, if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. Yeah, there you go. Words to live by. That's right. All right, four shirts are going out, starting with Shady 5925. Oh, you mean to tell me that guy didn't cheat? You mean to tell me he didn't cheat? Listen, he's a trustworthy incident. That motherfucker cheated to get this T-shirt. Give him a T-shirt though for trying. Not trying. He did it. He did it. The next up is Super American Eagle Squadron. Well. Fuck yeah. I feel like I'd shoot a gun. I feel like they were honest. Yeah, that's the honest guy. I think they're on to something right now. I think they're starting to find out that Doug picks the names that we like. Exactly, that's my only method. Next up is Moon Gaser with a double Z. So it might be Moon Gaser. Salpic Gaser. Gaser beam. And then the final one is Jackson C. Will Overcome. C. Will Overcome. We'll do it. You will overcome. We should start attaching which one is a fan of what? Like the Moon Gaser is definitely a Sal fan. Sal fan for sure. You guys don't gaze at the moon. Sal gets all the Moon Gazers. I love Gaines gazing at them. Is that all of them done? That's it. Where do they gotta go? They gotta send their name. The one I just read to itunes.minepumpmedia.com. Gotta send your shirt size, your shipping address, and we'll get that right out to you. Boom. Blingo Blango. We'll hook you up, son. If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mite-pump. Mite-pump. With your hosts, Sal DiStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. The little boy blew the man on the moon. When you're coming home, son, I don't know when. We'll get together then. Come on, dude. We'll have a good time then. Come on, dude. Dude, that was fucking good. That's enough. Why are you gonna be such a dick, bro? I'm not, I think. That was, I think whoever tells you it's good is a dick. I think someone's lying to you. So bad. Somebody's lying. I'm just trying to be your friend and tell you the truth. Whoa, whoa! Nice recover there, Doug. That was cool. Wow. Doug almost broke his hip. He did. You got fast. You got some fast moves, Doug. Must be that maps. Catlight reflexes there. Must be that maps program. What are we going up? I can tell you trained with a good trainer for years. For years. With the best trainer. I don't know my best. Best here. Better than average. Better than the Rhett. Justin, get on the mic. Listen, let me give you guys some advice right here. I feel like Justin's been fucking up all this. Take a little bit that you know and forget about it. Hey, everybody. You guys missed me. Take a little bit that you know and forget everything. I want to do that. Words of wisdom. I want to like speak at a conference and be like the last speaker and go up and be like, okay, everybody. Listen, forget it. You've learned this conference. I know you don't know a lot. Just forget everything. Forget all of it. It's all bullshit. I'm about to tell you the shit you need to remember. Drop some wisdom on you, son. I'm just fucking with everybody. I'm about to give it to you. Hey, ancient wisdom. I want to hear about your Easter's. Post Easter. I want to hear about your Easter. What did you want Easter? I drove around and did the family thing. You did it again? Dude, you know what sucks is when you're a guy in a great relationship and you feel like a divorcee, because you have to go drive around to like multiple families on all of this. Why does that happen to me, dude? What do you mean? I didn't fuck up any of my relationships or marriage. Why do I have to be the one that drives that? Because you gotta share time, man. Man, it's a mother, it's a mother fucker. Well, how many houses did you go to for sure? Well, it's not just three. But you know what? That's the point is that like Katrina's family is like so rad. They're like, bring everybody over. But then my family, you know. It's all exclusive. Yeah, my family doesn't like other parts of their own family. They're dysfunctional? Yeah, totally, right? So they put the fun in dysfunctional? Yeah, so I don't know about that. Not so much. A little bit of dysfunction. The funk. Yeah, so I went- Disfunctional. We drove out to Oakdale, which is the cowboy capital of the world. True story. I have some Texas listeners right now that don't disagree with you. Well, that's a fucking, there's a sign that says that when you come in. Bender, bender, bender, bender. It's pretty much a fact, right? If you put a sign up in front of the town. It says that? Yeah, it says that. No, this is the cowboy capital of the world. Of the world? Cowboy capital of the world. That's a confident. It's very confident. That's a very cocky town. It's got- Do you even have chaps? Well, they have one of the biggest rodeos there. Oakdale rodeo is pretty well known. Fair enough. Especially for California. Obviously, if we're comparing to Texas, Texas is on a whole other level. But for the most part, even a lot of those guys come up to this rodeo. It's a big rodeo. Anyways, I was in Oakdale. See, I saw my mother and her new boyfriend. I met him and I got to- This is your first time meeting him? Yes. Yes. They're recent. They're new. They just met on- What kind of handshake did he have? Yeah, that's a good question, Justin. In the terms of firm? Yeah, it was good. I think sometimes, I know they tell you to give- No, well, you know, I'm not a huge fan of the over firm handshake. I think it screams insecurity. No, that's what I mean. It still determines it. Does he let you go more firm? That's what I said. There's a right amount. That's why I said it was right. The thumb's in the right position. If I- Does it add a little tickle? If I think about your handshake after you do it, you did something wrong. Like, if it made an impression on me like it was too soft or it was too hard, something's wrong. Did he double fist it? No, he didn't. What it was- That would have been aggressive. It was good. It was good because I didn't think about it afterwards. If someone shakes my hand and they do like the tickle, like Justin said, that's really weird. Or if they literally shake, like they go up and down, it's like, come on, guy. Yeah, right? What are we doing here? Or they do the grip, like he grasped my hand and he grips me just to let me know it was good. He had like claws. Like he's digging his fingers in the air. I feel like some men tend to, I'm a six foot, three, 230 pound dude. So a lot of times it gets sized up by other men. And he's six, five, so he's a big dude. So he's not a little guy. And other big guys have a tendency to want to do that when they meet me. But he was pretty good. So what are you guys talking about? How does this work? What are you guys talking about? It didn't, so he didn't hug you. No, yeah, we don't hug. I just met him, dude. And he's only a one month boyfriend. You don't get a hug from me for a long time. Oh, I don't know. Maybe. He's at the Easter party. Adam's hard to get. He did. He made Easter Sunday at church, you know what I'm saying? So that's a big step in the relationship. So what do you guys talk about then? Are you like, hey. It's very awkward. You know what my mom did? We literally, we met there, right? And then we go to church for Easter Sunday. And the church that she goes to has like this really nice like buffet area. And they actually have like a little mini Starbucks almost inside the church. It's pretty rad. Church has come a long way since I was going as a kid. So it's quite the spectacle now. Plasma TVs are where you can see like the. Yeah, I noticed that too. I was sad. It was a full blown production. It was, bro. There was lights going on. Both the guys went to church jumping. You guys both went to church? I went to Saturday. I mean, Justin and I are going to heaving. So, I mean, of course, exactly. Yeah. So anyways, we're there. And so, team fireproof. We get there and my mom literally. That's right. That's why we don't sit too close to you ever. Exactly. We're a little bit off, you know. You guys will be bored. Whatever, bro. All the hot chicks are going to hell. That may be true. I'll piss when we be, right? Son of a bitch. Nah, this is some bullshit. But I imagine if we're in heaven, we can visit hell. I think that's how it works. Yeah. I think if you're in hell, you're fucked. I mean, you can pick one. You can't come up to heaven, but if we're in heaven, we can come down to hell. I want that one. That's what I think. I think that's what makes it so heavenly. I don't think so. I don't know. Anyways, we can debate heaven and hell later. We team the waters. We go there. So my mom does this, right? So we walk in and she literally like goes, here, talk to Lonnie and she walks away. I was like, oh, that was awkward as fuck. You know, literally like we was all of us kind of, it was me, Katrina, his name's Lonnie, my mom. And then she goes, she just like, just bolted and said, here, talk to Lonnie and then walked away. I gotta go. So then there's that awkward, like we turn to each other. We just like, hey, what's up? You know, it's like that. But it was cool. He was, you know, he carried his own for sure. He's into drag racing bikes, which I'm fucking love Harleys. I'm into that stuff. So he's a man's man. He does construction for living. He's got a cool little house on the Delta out there. And real cool dude, seems like a good guy, man. Does he have kids? He does. He has a 31 year old and a 34 year old. And then he has, he has one more. That's a, I think, I think 37 or 38. Cool. Yeah. So, but I didn't get a chance to meet them. I don't know what kind of father he is, but for the most part, you know, he, I thought he was cool. My mom. How was his hair? How was his hair? Oh yeah. A little bit like yours. Okay. Yeah, he had a similar kind of dad look like you. Nice. Like salt and peppery? No, kind of like, I don't care. Really like the, you know, handsome, tall, good looking guy, but I'm not going to really try or put too much effort into it. Oh, I like him. Yeah, I know. It kind of blows with the wind. Yeah. I don't care. Yeah, no, he looked good. He was, he was sharp, he was sharp, good guy. I like, I liked him, but that's all my mom is like, so my mom married my, my real father when I, when I was, when she was 15 or 16 had me, had me by 20, you know, then my real dad dies when I'm seven, she remarries again within a year. So she's never really had this single life. So the last like 10 years of her life that she has been single, she divorced my stepfather. Now like I'm watching her go through like this dating process. It's like an awkward steps going into it. It's very weird for me. Did they meet online or should you do the whole online? They do. They did. It was like a, well, it wasn't Christian Mingle. There's something called Zeus. Farmers only.com. Yeah. It was totally one of those. Yeah. It was, I didn't even know. We're big guys can meet the ladies. Maybe, maybe it's just for big dudes. That are like adult tender. I don't know. I don't know what, I don't know what. I'm not sure exactly what it was, but you know that, you know, I just heard a stat actually on this that over, I think it was 84 or 82% of relationships now start online. That is crazy. That makes perfect sense. Majority of marriages now people met online. Well, I mean, here's what's neat. And this is why, I mean, I remember in our generation, right, coming up in this, you used to tease somebody about that, but in reality now, I mean, it's probably really cool how quick you can totally like, oh, not into that, not into that, not into that. Okay, she ain't gonna work. Sure, she's hot, but we don't like any of the same things. So you just like, you wouldn't waste your time even to really talking to that person. I think you can hone in on like, you know, you have too many stuffed animals. So someone was running for the hills. Someone was telling me that, cause there's dating websites now for everything. Someone was telling me that there's a dating site for people with STDs. Whoa. Yeah, like if you have an STD, you could find people who have the same STD. I want my crabs to match your crabs. So you guys can, so you guys can- This is awesome. Isn't it? It almost turns into like a competition, like how many you can get. You know what I'm saying? And then you give it to me part of that group was like, oh, I got five. Herpes.com. We love STDs. Which one do you want today? Which one do you have? I mean, they literally have a, you're joking about the farmers.com, but they've created like a, you know, a subcategory for everything. And those things are so big. They have a site. They actually have a website now where I think if you're a younger dude who likes to date older women even, you imagine what would happen with that, Adam. Wow. Back in the day. Yeah. That's right. Katrina's always worried about me leaving her for switch. Teacher.com. You have like a weird old lady fetish. I'm really worried about you. It's my mom issues. I'm like, okay. I said, I don't have an old lady thing. I was like, when I was 20, I liked 30 year olds. That's fucking totally different. I don't know. Now you're older. A lot older. Well, yeah. At 35, I still like the 30 year olds. You know what I'm saying? It stayed the same, you know what I'm saying? As I got older, I just liked older mature women. You get discounts on like food, right? You got a restaurant. You get parking in there. You like to see your parking. That's cool. AARP, you know, stamps, all that stuff. I think baby, that sex was great. You want me to carry your walker out to the property? Hey Justin, how was your Easter? It was cool. We had just basic family stuff. Did you guys do the Easter egg hunt with your kids? We did it on, yeah, on Sunday. We did it, and my brother brought his kids and stuff. So they just, yeah, we just put them all over the place and watched them, videoed it and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, it was like so typical. Yeah, yeah. Did you eat a lot of candy? No, no. That was the one thing that I was actually proud of was like I influenced my mom to put like money in there and then like toys and stuff. So there was like very few like pieces of candy because dude, like since they wake up, it's like this crack, you know, like sensation that they'll eat like one piece of candy in the whole day. Dude, I had a lot of candy. Yeah, oh yeah. I did, dude. Actually, half of a chocolate bunny and a bunch of like gummy, what are they called? Peaches, gummy peach circles. Oh, I love these. It looks like buttholes, but anyway. That's why you like them so much. Probably. But they're tongue it in a circle fashion. That's funny, that's how I eat it too. New videos. Sick fuck. Mix it with the chocolate bunny. He's like, ooh, that's rim jobs for everybody. It's fucking good. I love watching way too much porn. You know what I'll say, right? Yesterday, that was, I haven't had in probably 30 years. Pillsbury Crescent Rolls. Oh yeah, those are amazing. But what is it? It's not even real. When I was a kid, we used to make donuts out of those. We used to poke holes in the center of those and you deep fry in vegetable oil and they make donuts out of these. So I had them. And everybody was referring to it as bread, like, ooh, who wants bread? And I'm like, bread. And I'm like, that's not bread. So I'm biting into it and I'm analyzing the flavor. I'm like, this is engineered. Like, this is scientifically designed to taste really good. But you can also taste that it's not real. You know what I mean? Crescent Roll. It's weird too. I forgot all about it. You pop the thing. Ate the shit out of those as a kid. Biscuits and gravy. That was like a staple biscuit that was it. So I looked at the box. I've never read that since I've learned about eating correctly. It's gotten older. That's just not something that even makes its way to my house. So I wanted to ask you guys how you guys deal with this because when I'm over someone else's house and they're like making food or getting things out of boxes, I tend to grab the box and look at the ingredients, but then I realize that I look like a dickhead when I'm doing that. Oh, I bet. So I don't do it anymore. So instead, I try to look at it like when they're not looking at it. I try to look at it to try and read. I just know it. Yeah. You just know. Well, I know it's not good, but I wanted to see the actual ingredients because I was interested. Well, my problem is now that people know that my family, what I do for a living and everything, like so my aunt and uncle were there too. They came from Minnesota and it's like, all they want to do is just grill me on nutrition facts and this and that. I'm just like, oh my God, can I just eat? No, this wasn't with my family. So I, but I was looking at the front of the box. You can't do that, bro. You can't, I'm gonna give you some, we can't do that. Like it's already, people are already weird about being eating around you. I know, you can't. Yeah, so you at all giving attention to what is being. Oh, I didn't. I ate it, but I'm looking at the box though, because it's just on the counter. Check it off, it's like not a good day. And there's like, yeah. Or a fasting day. There's like a little red, there's like a little red label on it or something that says no trans fats, no high fructose corn syrup. So I'm like, what are they using instead? Yeah. Because you know they're doing there. You know they figured some else, some other shit out. Yeah. Some other compound. Butter that's in there. I'm pretty sure it's something like soybean oil or some shit. It's actually one of my biggest pet peeves that I have to talk about nutrition and exercise when I'm at, I don't like it. And I, you know. I don't mind talking about it. I just don't like it when people do the whole like, oh well sorry, we don't really have that much for you to eat. You know, like I'm like, does this meet your standards? Yeah. I try and. Super condescending. I try and avoid those conversations as much as possible, but it doesn't matter. I feel like no matter what, because people know what you, and even if they eventually ask you like what you do for a living and then you tell them and like it's like instantly, instantly everybody has this need to explain themselves. Right. Like I don't fucking care. Like eat what you want to eat. Like it's, I am the furthest from being judgmental on what you're going to do. Like I don't give a fuck. Well the worst for me is like, so you asked me a question that, you know, I thought you're interested in, but really you're just asking this to like try and make me look like a dick at the same time. You're not even listening to my answer. Yeah. So fuck you for asking me. No. It's not, it's the one of my, I had to major bad people. And it does, it does tend to happen. The more I'm in like situations where, and there was twice this Easter, right? So I went to another house. So that went to my stepdad's house and he must have had 30 plus people there. And most of them I've never met before. And so the topic of what you do. And I always normally tell people like, oh, you know, talk on this radio podcast thing. And I just kind of, whatever Katrina was always elbowing me, stop downplaying what you do. And I was like, I don't want to talk about it. I always do that too. Oh, I just do stuff. Yeah. I don't want to talk about it. She pretty much supports me actually. It's just good to start telling people shit like that. I don't want to talk about it. I really don't. Which is unfortunate because I love what we do. Yeah. Well I had to explain to a 70s something year old or maybe 80 year old man what a podcast was. It was pretty interesting. You should have videoed that. So what do you do? Great guy, by the way. By the way, great guy. He's from that generation. In case he's listening. That's what it was. He comes from that generation that doesn't give a shit. So he was super inappropriate with like half of his jokes. That's great. And I was just. Yeah, I was just fucking dying of laughter. But anyway, I'm trying to explain to him what a podcast was. So I said, it's a fitness podcast. And he's like, what's a podcast? I'm like, it's like a radio show. And he's like, how the fuck does that work? Exactly the same thing. So he goes, how do you tell people to work out on a podcast? So I took me like 10 minutes while I'm explaining to him to realize that what he thought I meant was that you tune into the podcast and we tell you to work out. Yeah, all right, five more questions. Like it's real time. And you can see the look. Harder. You can see the look on his face. He was not even sweating yet. He was like, what a shit idea. Like what a terrible, like the look on his face, he couldn't figure it out. Like what the fuck is wrong with people? Like wouldn't it be better to be on TV? And I'm like, wait a minute. They can't see us. I'm like, no. I'm like, it's like a talk show. And they're like, oh, okay. Do you do the Easter Bunny thing in the morning? Oh, like we scatter like eggs and stuff. But I mean, we sort of associate it with the Easter Bunny, but it's not like high production, you know. Oh, there's a Easter Bunny foot print over here. And then I don't even know, like who does that shit? So you know the previous episode, we had like two episodes ago where we were like kind of like questioning like why do we lie to our kids about these characters and shit? They know I did it. And it doesn't make any sense, right? So my kids were with my ex. So I wasn't there for the Easter Bunny thing, but I went there shortly afterwards so I can hang out with them and stuff. And my daughter, she's seven, so she believes in all this stuff. My son, he knows. And I'm like, so the Easter Bunny bringing your present? She's like, yeah, she's so excited. And she's showing me and we're playing stuff. And I said, how does the Easter Bunny get in the house? Does he use the chimney like Santa Claus? And she goes, no. She goes, he comes in through the sliding glass door. I'm like, that's weird. I'm like, it was locked. She's like, yeah. You're such a dick. What are you doing? She goes, yeah, he comes in. I'm like, he doesn't set off the alarm or anything. She's, no, he has magic. So I'm like, oh, so he uses magic to do all these things. She's like, yeah. And I'm like trying to plant the seeds. Like, let's get you to question shit. Magic. Such a bad dad, bro. Look at you. It's so awful. I'm gonna start like planting the seeds of descent, you know what I mean? Like really? Do you really think that's possible, honey? That's crazy that he has that magic, but he can't just see if you have more toys. Why don't you just ask for more toys? I tried that and then my son came up and he's like, hey dad, where'd you get these baskets? And I was like, oh no, the Easter Bunny got them for you. Yeah. What are you talking about? Dad, it was like CVS, right? And I'm just like, ah. So it was funny. It's funny you guys are going in this direction because while I was at my stepdad's house, these people that I was just meeting, so we're all talking and this conversation came up because I shared on the podcast we talked about elf on the shelf and wanted to tell your kids this. And one of the girls there goes, oh my daughter just found out at the Easter Bunny today, like and she's been crying all day long. See? So she was just like, so, and the way she found out was that her mom left accidentally left a receipt, or left a tag on the chocolate bunny or whatever, to like, you know, Walmart or Walmart or whatever she bought it from. Okay, ruined everything. So now imagine that situation, right? Cause her daughter's probably a little too young to kind of figure it out. So that's why she's crying, right? Cause once they figured out there's not that big of a deal, but now imagine as a parent, like your child's like, there's a label. What does it mean? Like freeze frame, you have two options here. Double down on my lie and make up some more shit. Or tell, you know what I mean? So you can be like, oh, it looks like the Easter Bunny trying to trick you. Or it looks like the Easter Bunny shops at Walmart too, like mommy and daddy. That's crazy. I'll keep my eye open next time. You know how I figured it out? The Easter Bunny's getting thrifty. Every time, every time. When I was a kid, I would ask for shit. My mom would be like, that's too expensive for Santa Claus. I'd be like, expensive. He's got elves. Make me what the fuck I want. They're doing slave labor. Like wait a minute. It's not real. It's a sweatshop. Santa Claus is running a sweatshop. But anyway, I feel like shit today after that sugar. I can totally tell. Oh, I imagine. I can totally tell. The day we did the drunk Q and A, I was just a fucking mess after that. Oh, God, dude, I just felt awful. I went home and slept like a baby. God, that was hilarious though, huh? Well, we did the little. That was a great time, though. It was the Justin spit all over me. And when you watch the video, you can see like the chunks of it. It was like a half laugh. And I was trying to say it at the same time. I don't know what happened. But man, some like three huge chunks just flew. That's the first time you spit on that. That is going to have to be something we don't do often because that's like too much, too much recovery trying to get in. I mean, I think Taylor was talking about possibly doing that like once a month. Maybe we'll see. But that was too much. Yeah, you got to give the people what they want. Let's do it with like whiskey. I can manage that better. See, I don't like this Justin's wheelhouse. We do anything drunk. He's he's in charge. Yeah, I want to get you guys all weird. What did you do for Easter? What did you end up doing? We went to. So first we stopped at my family's house for a little bit and then we went to Jessica's, got some family friends. So we went to their house and just hung out the whole time. And then afterwards we went home and watched a documentary. Would you just watch? Oh, you know what I watched? Shit, what's it called? Fuck. What was it about? The mysteries of the unseen or uncovering the mysteries of the unseen. It was like a 30 minute or 40 minute documentary on Netflix. Really fucking cool. Like they're showing all the stuff that you can't consciously perceive like x-rays and gamma rays and like the very, very small and the very, very slow. Like we don't see like trees growing because they grow so slow but they're doing all this time lapse photo and really cool stuff. Like I learned that when a water drop drops in a pool of water, it bounces off and creates smaller and smaller drops until it completely disappears. And it does this every single time. Oh shit, did they have like a super slow-mo camera? Oh, so it doesn't actually penetrate the water? No, because of the surface tension, so it like bounces and then it bounces. Was that the first time you've seen a video like that done super slow-mo on something? I've seen it, but I didn't know that piece of it. So you know what's cool is, and they got introduced probably 10 years ago, maybe 15 now, it's been a while, but I remember when that camera first came out and had the super, super slow-mo and then the baseball bat when they show a baseball. Oh, and it gets smashed. Oh, it's so wild to watch that connection and what actually happens, you know? So it's like the ball actually bounces off. Oh yeah, and you see the bat like completely bend like it's rubbery. Yeah, everything bends to an extreme. It's pretty wild to watch that. You know, I'm very, very fascinated. I didn't know that happens with a raindrop though. Yeah, they had that and they just... That alone makes me want to watch it. I want to see what that looks like. Yeah, and then I saw... How many times? Does it bounce like hundreds of times or just like one time? I don't really, I don't know how many times, but just it just keeps doing it and it just keeps turning to smaller and smaller like drop. It's pretty weird. Yeah. It's pretty weird. That's it. It's pretty fascinating. I think we should bring the bird. Bring it on! Bring it, man! She's the quaw! The eagle has landed. Chimeric Quaw! Today's quaw is being brought to you by Chimeric Coffee. It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural nutropics for a cleaner, calmer, and more focused buzz without the crash. Click the Chimeric link at mindpumpmedia.com and input the discount code MindPump a Checkout for 10% off! It's the motherfucking quaw! The eagle has landed! Quaw! First is Adam J. Castro. How do antidepressants affect fitness? You know, I've actually had people ask me this question several times in the last few months on my own personal Instagram page. Antidepressants are an interesting class of drugs. You know what's most interesting about this is how many people are on them now. There's a... What was the stat? It's like crazy. One in three or something like that? There's a large percentage of people that have prescribed antidepressants. Or maybe that was just pills. I don't remember. It was high though. Very high. And what's really interesting about... So the most commonly prescribed antidepressants are SSRI classes of drugs like Zoloft or Prozac. SSRI stands for Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor. And so what these drugs do is they reduce the amount of serotonin that's reuptaked in the brain so it increases the amount of serotonin that's floating around the brain so it gives you more, I guess, more available serotonin. And the effects take a while to really come up. So I guess you're supposed to be on them for anywhere between four to 12 weeks before you feel them working. Now the studies on SSRIs are pretty interesting. They're just a little bit better than placebo for most cases. So it's kind of interesting to look at. And in fact, when you look at... I would venture to say, and I'm not a doctor, so I wanna preface this by saying that. So nobody sues me for trying to take this advice, but if you look at studies that compare exercise and nutrition to antidepressants, exercise and nutrition outperform them. And in the long term, they continue to outperform them better and better and better. Of course, exercise and nutrition are not as easy as taking a pill. And I think that's why people tend to wanna take an antidepressant. And for some people, apparently, they do help quite a bit. But here's my opinion on how they affect fitness. Because they've actually done studies on antidepressants. And they're hard to really look at because the kind of people who take antidepressants are probably depressed. And if it helps you from a depressed state to a non-depressed state. Yeah, you can't beat that argument. That's the argument they've had for years. Yeah, do you think you're gonna have improved fitness? Probably, right? If you're really down and depressed and an antidepressant improves your mood, you're probably gonna have better fitness. But on the flip side of that, one of the number one side effects of antidepressants is weight gain. And there's some theories behind that. One of the theories is that people may actually be eating more or at least craving foods that tend to taste better because now that someone's depressed and once they come out of it, they start to enjoy things again. And so maybe they're eating more as a result of it. But there's also some theories that it actually does something to the metabolic system and it actually causes weight gain that way. And there's actually some pretty compelling evidence. Well, do you know what is actually happening with like dopamine and serotonin? What's going on with that? Do you know what exactly happens when you take in one of those? It just increases serotonin is what it's supposed to do. Now, does that influence the other aspects of the brain? I would believe so. I don't know, but I would absolutely believe so. And you look at some of the side effects of antidepressants, for example, erectile dysfunction is a big one. That tends to be a problem with some men who take antidepressants. Probably because I think serotonin can cause issues, sexual issues can reduce like the ability to achieve orgasm is one of them also weight gain, like I said before. That's ironic. The chemical that makes you feel good in your brain also hinders you fucking getting a boner. Doesn't it just make you feel more natural, right? Shit sounds backwards to me. Well, I mean, if you look at like illegal drugs, like look at illegal drugs like MDMA, for example, MDMA is not an SSRI, but it does cause your brain to produce a shit ton of serotonin and you feel amazing. But one of the side effects of MDMA, which is awesome dancer, is that you can't, a lot of guys say they can't have sex or they can't work as them on it. And so I think lots of serotonin, more serotonin tends to cause that. I know dopamine's involved in that process. And I think you may be right, Adam, there may be something going on with dopamine there. But there are other antidepressant drugs, the SNRI drugs, which are the selective norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors. Now those may increase or improve athletic performance because norepinephrine is, it's one of those chemicals that's kind of that energy chemical. And so if it increases the amount of norepinephrine in your system, you might actually have more of that wired energy. But I mean, I've done research on this and the studies, I mean, they don't point to any athletic benefit whatsoever. But I think, again, if you're depressed and you become not depressed, you're probably gonna have better performance. The awesome thing would be to get that person and not let them know that you're gonna give them sugar pills, keep them working out, eating right, right? So they're taking the pills, thinking that they're getting it. So the placebo effect is about like 80% as successful, some crazy high number. I remember reading that. The difference between the placebo, the sugar pills and the actual- Power of belief. Yeah, it was like, especially with something like that, right? With something that is a mental disorder, right? That's going on. So I think that- Well, consider this, like, let's look a little deeper. So SSRIs attempt to give the brain more serotonin because they think that depression may be a, you have issues with producing serotonin or you have issues with using serotonin. So more serotonin is supposed to help you. Okay, that's the theory behind SSRIs. Most of the serotonin that's produced in your body is produced in your gut. And there is a very strong connection with depression and gut issues. In fact, people who are depressed tend to have stomach problems. Well, this is what we kind of talked with Rob Wolf a little bit. I remember you brought that up as a question to him and he's like, no, absolutely. It's connected for sure. Yeah, so I would say, I've had clients in the past who have, you know, come and see me and hired me and have had issues with depression and the way that I've seen them used antidepressants is they'll take the antidepressants to give them the energy to do something because sometimes you're so down that, and again, this is clinical depression and again, I'm not a doctor but if you're, sometimes these people are so down that they're not even, they just can't get up off. They can't do anything. And so sometimes these drugs help them just get up and start doing something and then once they start moving and doing all the things that they know are gonna make them feel better physically then they start to reduce their antidepressant use. But again, you wanna do that under the supervision of a doctor because I do know that going off antidepressants cold turkey has got some pretty, can have some pretty scary side effects as well but consider your gut health as a big factor in the physical causes of depression or anxiety. Work on gut health and then exercise and fitness, make a huge impact as well. So I know we're going a little off topic but all those things can have a pretty great impact on mild to moderate depression. I think at the end of the day, your goal though would be to try and get your client or whoever it is to wing them off of that, right? You wouldn't want, I mean. I don't think anybody who's taking a prescription wants to take it all. I think ideally for anybody, right? You don't wanna just stop taking it and then be in and feel incredible. Austin 4100, what are Sal, Adam and Justin's specific fitness goals? Oh, like our personal. Personally. Personal? Is it current? Yeah, like what's your current personal fitness goal? I don't know. Why don't you go first, Adam? I always go first. Actually, I always go first on questions like this and then all the other ones you tend to hop in and jump in. Maybe. Do you ever notice that? We do. Do we do that? We do have kind of a pattern. Interesting, it works. I'm sorry, first you can put yours together. That's why I've already put that together. What am I currently working on right now? My imbalances, for me, that's been a major one. It's been a major focus for the last almost year now. What are imbalances of the same? Yeah, I know. So I have, and that's, okay, that's great. Great question, great point. This is, now this will lead into probably a better topic here. So I think a lot of times when you get your first level of awareness of, oh shit, I've got this ankle pronating or I've got this, my hip abducting or I've got something going on right with my body that's causing either pain or discomfort somehow and you start to address it, I think there's a major misconception on how that works. Like it's probably more than likely for most people gonna be something that you will forever be addressing going for because most of us are 30 plus years old and if you had these imbalances for a long time, that's a long time that you've had these bad patterns and to think that you're just gonna, oh, go see this chiropractor or go do a couple of movements or go follow prime for two months and say, oh, I'm fixed. Like, no, like it's a constant battle of trying to get these better movement patterns. And for me, I've got this major issue where when I sit down in the baby position, I've got my left foot that tends to wanna pronate and then I've also got poor thoracic mobility in that deep of a squat. Now I say poor and that because it's been really poor, I've come a long way where I'm at now but that's a lot of what I'm doing right now. I have my prime, I'm spending probably more time in maps prime and fortification sessions than anything else. I'm still lifting and I just recently kind of transitioned into a little bit back into my maps black and going that direction but I still wouldn't even consider myself following maps black. I'm more maps prime and fortification with sprinkles of my maps black in there right now and then so because I know summer's around the corner and I am aesthetic driven, I know I'm gonna be at pools, I'm gonna be on the boat, we'll be in Vegas, things like that. So I do wanna get back towards my aesthetics a little bit but I don't feel like I'm that far off because I've still been training. I've just been focused more on my mobility and the big thing for me is just tightening up my diet of kind of like I haven't tracked in a very, very long time because I haven't been focused on weight gain or loss or building muscle, it's been how I move. So my main focus is how I'm moving and for me I have to like, like I haven't weighed myself in literally like months. So in order for this to work, I have to completely like, I don't do good with like dabbling back and forth on goals if that makes sense. Because what happens, especially when I'm focusing on a goal that is opposite of what my insecurities are. So if I have a really hard time with my whole life with being the skinny guy, wanting to build muscle and then I decide I'm gonna focus on a goal that is really not attached to that whatsoever, which would be moving better, right? That performance, that's all that matters. And if I'm gonna be true to that, then I really have to like not care about the other one. Is it cause you feel like then your, the insecurity starts to peek out and it drives you to, oh no, I gotta go lift heavy. I gotta go with you more. Yes, you know, because if I start like doing the, you know, mirror selfies, weighing myself, checking all that. It fucks with you. Yeah, then I'm like, fuck this mobility. I wanna go, I wanna get back to shape, you know. I'm gonna look a certain way. Do you think there'll ever be a point where that won't happen, where you're gonna be okay with that? And it's, you're like, okay, I don't have to fear that it's gonna drive me. I think I'm really close to that. You know, I think I'm really close to that. And there's parts of me that goes back and forth because, and we kind of talked about this before with like, we got into the whole like dressing, right? How we, how you dress and how that, you go through these changes in your life of like caring about it and not caring about it. I don't wanna get to a point too where I don't give a fuck either because I think sometimes you can also identify with that with being so comfortable with, oh, I don't care how I look, that you like, then real easily you make a lot of bad choices because of that too. Well, that may be where you're at now because you're not looking at all. Yeah. Like you're just not looking at all versus, you know, I mean, I guess ultimately that would be the place to be, right, is where you can do all that and not worry about it influencing your decisions in terms of, that's a tough place to do it. It is. And I think I'm, you know, for me, a lot. I struggle with that still. A lot of, I think you, I think everybody doesn't. I think to say you don't, you're a fucking liar. You know, I think that that's- I think there probably, there might be some people who do. I could see us, bro, I could see you and I being there, you know, when we're 50, 60, I can't see us being so, I mean, or who knows, I might go the opposite direction, right? Yeah, exactly. I think the older, the older I get, the more proud I am that I've taken care of my physique. And so, and I'm more motivated too as I get older. Like that's one of the things that actually motivates me, especially when I run into like old friends that I haven't seen in a long time that, you know, man, they are, some of my buddies like, fuck, they look worn down, dude. Yeah, they look, they look old, you know what I'm saying? And they've already like kind of checked it off. I'm like, they're not doing much physical activities anymore and it's like, it's like card tape poker tables, fishing and like, you know, things that don't require a lot of movement and I'm not ready to fucking check it in, you know? And so that motivates me to stay focused on that. So I don't know how, I don't know when we talked yet, we just had a great podcast with Brett McCabe, right? Well, about mindset. And I don't think I ever want to get too comfortable. I think I like to be uncomfortable and like, and challenging that. I think just being aware of it is the key, right? Like not being a major driver that. And see, I go back and forth with that because when you say too comfortable, I think, I thought that for a second too, but then I asked myself, I said, well, what am I perceiving as too comfortable? Too comfortable, I think maybe you're perceiving it is not caring, which I don't think that's the same thing. I think comfort is just being comfortable in your own skin and taking care of yourself from that standpoint. So that's comfortable. So that's comfortable. That's comfortable. Too comfortable is the not caring. Is going to the extreme. And I think there's a fine line between the two of them. And I think a lot of people use that to justify where they're at. I think a lot of people say they're comfortable. Exactly. And they're not. Exactly. It's like the whole like, you know, I know. That's too comfortable to me. I have a friend that's like really obese and wonderful woman, love her to death, but she's constantly like, all she does is post about how beautiful she is and how much I love my, you know, but it's not, you can tell it's her projecting. She's closing herself. As much as she wants to. She's trying to close herself. To me, I can see right through that when someone is like that. So that's the definition of too comfortable to me. So there's comfortable. Yes. Too comfortable is when you start to use it to shield your insecurities. It's like, so I do. I want to. I don't know how comfortable it is though to be honest with you. She's probably not, you know what I mean? She's probably, from our standpoint, looks that way, but I'm sure she's hurting. Oh, in sign, right? Yeah. The too comfortable, I think, is referring to where the person is at, not necessarily the feeling that they have, right? So I think that people can get themselves in this too comfortable, you know, like, so like my buddies say, like they joke lightly about it's like, bro, like I'm getting older. Let it happen. It's natural. It's normal, you know, like, and they really try and say it and roll off like that. I'm like, well, no, like to me, movement, I think, you know, someone like Jacqueline had, it's so crazy how far ahead of his time he was, you know, a lot of people don't know this, but the way he started every single fucking morning of his life, you know that he went and like articulated every finger, every like, every like digit. Yes. He just like would make sure. From his mouth, his mouth, his jaw, his neck, his toe, each one of his toes, each one of his fingers. And he just stayed so far ahead. Oh, am I right? And then explained so much of what the physical feats he was doing at like 80 years old because he stayed connected his entire life to his own body and so many people are so quick to fucking disconnect. He's also someone that I think was just a great example of actually being that, you know, in that health and longevity kind of mindset. You know, he did do those physical, you know, feats of performance, but he wasn't, it didn't seem like he was driven by, you know. It was an event by event. It was a whole lifestyle like every day. Yeah. You know, sort of teach people like this is what I do consistently because I'm benefiting my body that way. You know, there was a lady that worked out at one of the gyms that I used to manage and she was, I'm trying to remember now. It was a long time ago. She was probably in her mid-40s and she was this very kind of earthy, beautiful, just she looked very healthy woman and she would come in and she would lift weights sometimes and sometimes she would do cardio and sometimes she would do yoga. Sometimes she would swim, but she was so comfortable in her own skin that I didn't, she stuck in my mind because she was so comfortable with it. Like she was just this beautiful woman. She had gray hair, so she didn't dye her hair. So she was just totally comfortable with, you know, how she was and who she was. And everybody in the gym would comment on her like, man, you know, she's, God, she looks so good. And I'll never forget her because she just exemplified that level of like, you know, just being who you are, but you know, taking care of herself because she loves herself type of thing. And it looks, I mean, it looks amazing and it feels amazing to be around. And that was, once I saw that, I admired it. I didn't realize that that would be my goal, but it is now. Now my ultimate goal is to be in that state. Yeah, that type of person has really been able to establish what their own personal like routines, what their own way of benefiting their own body instead of like doing something so other people give you compliments or other people are looking at you with judgment or you're just, you're not judging yourself enough. You know, as far as like, you know, what could I be doing to improve? And some people really do, they hone in on that. Like this is what makes me operate better. This is how it benefits my body. And like it's so obvious when you meet somebody like that. So this morning I was working out over at club sport and, you know, they have the pool over there. And I'm going there in the morning. I go pretty early. They're by like six a.m. or whatever, 6.30. And there was this, they're in the pool area. There's always like older generation people in there working out. And there's a large percentage of these are older Asian women. And they're doing their movements and exercises in the pool. And I was talking with, you know, Jessica about this, how in Eastern culture movement is such a part of their culture. It's been a part of their culture for a long time. Oh yeah. You know, if you go to China, they'll have parks and you'll see, you know, people in their 70s, 80s, 90s. Tai Chi. And they're doing Tai Chi and exercise. And it's a part of their culture. It's very different than the way it's a part of our culture. And our culture fitness is not a part of wellness. It's about, it's either performance or it's looking good. Well, we've gone to the opposite extreme where we glorify the work martyrs, right? So the people that overwork to be successful, that's the new standard of person, you know, that we glorify. We glorify that whole process of, you know, being a startup. But it, you know, just destroying your body. Watch these women doing, because I was watching them for about five minutes and I was just so amazed because they were socializing with each other. They were moving and exercising and it was just mostly movement in the pool. And it was just great to see. And it is, it's a part of that Eastern. So culture and philosophy, which is when you look at Eastern medicine, Eastern medicine reflects it. When you go to an Eastern medicine doctor with, you tell them you have headaches or you have, you know, acid reflux or, you know, constipation, whatever, some chronic, you know, disorder, they're gonna look, they're gonna ask, they're gonna talk to you about your eating, they're gonna talk to you about movement, they're gonna talk to you about meditation, they're gonna talk to you about your mood, all these different things. And it's just a, it's been a part of their culture for so long, which is probably why they outlive us. I mean, I think if I'm not mistaken, the longest living like modern society right now in the world is I believe South Korea, I believe the South Korean women there have like an average lifespan that's, you're getting close to 90 now, which destroys America's lifespan. And I really think it's just- That would be an interesting stat to see actually, is to see what like, what eight, like what's the average- Lifespan? Yeah, lifespan. Longest living people, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, in all the different countries. Yeah, I'm curious to see what the difference in that is. For me personally, for my current fitness goal, very specific now, this is just happening right now, and I'm gonna do this for about 14 days, is I, and I reminded myself of this over the weekend. One of the reasons why I love coaching people, I have very few clients that I work with, and mainly just keep my finger on the pulse of what we do. But the reason why I love to do it is because it reminds me that exercise and nutrition isn't just about, you know, getting fit. Wow, Monaco, where's Monaco? Monaco? Yeah. That's in the Mediterranean. Holy shit, Monaco, 89.5, so 90 years old average. Japan, 84, Singapore, 85. Yeah, there you go. San Marino. That's again in that whole metaphor. 83, Iceland, 82, Hong Kong, 82, Switzerland, 82. So, Jesus, you're not gonna find, oh, Canada. Canada beats us. 81 for Canada, France, 81, Norway, Spain, Australia. You know what makes me angry about this? Where are we, wow. They'll say that, they'll attribute that to healthcare. Yeah. It's not fucking healthcare, it's their lifestyle. United States, 79. Yeah, we have a horrible lifespan. We're number 43. Yeah, we're one of the worst. So, for me, I remembered, I reminded myself that nutrition and exercise are also about having fun, and it's okay to have fun with them. And so right now what I'm doing, and I do this every once in a while, is I dramatically increase my dietary cholesterol intake for about 14 days. And every time I do this, I notice a boost in strength and signs and symptoms of more testosterone. And of course, cholesterol is the building block for all these hormones. So, right now I'm consuming lots of chicken livers and egg yolks, and I'm having a lot of fun with that. Wow, Afghanistan. So, just having fun with that. What about you, Justin? 50, bro, in Afghanistan. Well, yeah. That's the worst. Adam loves stats. They've been at war forever. I do, it's just something that's fascinating to me that. Yeah, for me, I think I kind of pick and choose what area or what adaptation I've been avoiding, and then I weave that back into my system. So, for me, it's been conditioning, and that's been a focus of mine. Like stamina? Yeah, like stamina, durability, you know, just being able to move and accelerate, and also be a little bit more powerful. And those are traits I want to maintain. Like, I don't want to just be strong or just, I don't know, I tend to feel like my movement suffers quite a bit if I don't maintain a certain level of power. And so, I'll incorporate that and do it in a way where the movement is a high priority for me. And I've been incorporating a lot more like kind of sled sprints and jump rope and like Mayspell swings. And so, I tend to lean a little bit more on the unconventional stuff too. So, I'm more outdoor. Yeah, I have a lot more fun. You know, I like to get outdoors. I've been running a lot more hills lately around my house. I always love to do that because it gets me out in nature. And then, it's just, I get the endorphin rush too after I'm done, and so I feel really good. But then, at a certain point, then my body starts to kind of feel the pressure of that. So, I need to weave back into strength or mobility and focus a little bit more on that. You know, I think it would be kind of neat to actually set some sort of a goal like that we all decide on and then actually kind of follow and maybe we can kind of insta-story it or talk about it. We haven't done something like that. I mean, remember we did, we did my show first, right? Where you followed my journey to get ready for the San Jose Pro. Then we did Justin's transfer. Do we do Justin's transformation first? Which one was first? I was first. It was Justin was first. Oh, Justin was first. Me first. Justin, we did Justin's transformation first, which was really cool. And that was like, fuck, we first, when we first started, so. That was way back. I'm wondering how many people even remember that. Yeah, I doubt, right? Like, I mean, I still, we have so many new people now that I've had inbox me like, oh, you competed? Like, oh, wow. Like, so you just now came along. Yeah, a lot of those things. That's the way, it was like a hundred, episode a hundred something when we followed my San Jose Pro show. So maybe we come up with something. I think that'd be kind of fun to do, do something and put it out there. Well, I don't know about you guys, but I'm just putting it out there. I'd like to get some rings in here. And I'd love to do just a whole series of body weight. Just all we do is body weight. Oh, somebody asked about that. I was going down there, and that made me miss it big time. Yep, yeah. Yeah, YouTube there, we just had somebody who asked that. So that would be a cool thing to do. Man, you know, talking about cardio, fucking A, bro. I climbed Mission Peak this weekend. Oh, yeah. Mother fucker, bro. Did it kill you? Well, I didn't. So lately, first of all, let me preface this with, I hate to hike. Like I, in fact, Do you like hiking? I don't. I don't like hiking. I love hiking. Yeah, I'm not a nature guy. I'm sorry. You know what I'm saying? That's what makes us all different. It's fucking neat that you guys love to be out there all the time. Like, you know what's funny? I grew up in the nature. I grew up in the fucking... Why don't you like hike? I grew up in a place that you had to go 45 minutes through the grocery store. I'm over it now. Yeah, I'm over it, bro. I've had the bears. I've had the wolves. I've had the fucking yard. I've done all that shit. But I mean, you see me a hundred times, camp like everywhere. It wasn't nice just to be up there with your girl. I do love some of the stuff, but here's why the hiking, we're going on a whole other tangent talking about camping. But the hike was way intense. Like we, I like to like... Why is it so intense? I've never done Mission P. It's like steep grade the whole way. And normally when you do climbs like that, it's like a steep grade and they kind of level out for a while. It's just steep. The whole time. And I heard that like, so that was my first time out there. So I heard that the roads up there are really bad because of the winter we just had. So like, it's all ruts and rocks and pebbles. So you actually have to look where you're stepping because every step, I'm stepping on a rock this way, then that way, and then a crevice. And so, you know, I'm paying attention to my footing the whole way up. And there's a beautiful view. I mean, it's a gorgeous view of Fremont San Jose. You're on top of the mountain. It's beautiful. Problem is you're so focused on the way you're stepping that you can't like walk down or like, I would enjoy walking and talking with my girl. But I was catching my breath the whole time. Is that the one that's got the would it be like a pole or whatever? Yes, that everybody takes pictures on. Wasn't our sticker on the top of it? I didn't even look. Someone put our sticker on it. I see a few fans go up there. Yeah. Oh, and it's there's a line to take the picture on there. And I was I look at Katrina and I'm like, fuck that, we're not waiting a half hour. Just take a picture on this thing. Like, people don't believe I was up here. I don't give a shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you don't believe, you don't believe I came up here. And originally like selfie stick mania. I just I wondered why people were so excited. They climbed a hill until I was like, OK, that's something to be proud of, because that shit fucking kicked my ass like that. The average person going up that I was watching like some really decontitioned people. I was like, man, good for you. This is a this I can feel this, you know what I'm saying? And I and now mind you, I'm not cardio guy. So of course, I'm supposed to be out of breath a little bit, but I saw some really deconditioned people that were chucking there at the hill. It was very motivating to see that many people out there. I mean, your hundreds, hundreds of people hiking at the same time at the same hill. So it was my first time going up there. I absolutely hated it. Wouldn't recommend it to anybody. No, it was cool. I mean, it's cool if you really like to hike, but I would have rather gone somewhere where there was a little more level where I could talk to my girl. We could look at the sea. You like to walk. Yeah, I like to walk. OK. Yeah, I'm a walker. I'm a walker. Our next question is from the slimy unicorn. Ooh, where's she been? I haven't walked. Is it a she? Do we know that? Slimy unicorn. Tell us. All right. So the slimy unicorn is asking, what do you do when you slip off of your pre-competition diet? This person tends to go to extremes after slipping. So I got a little analogy for you. Well, first off, what the slimy unicorn is talking about is when they are in pre-comp mode, so they got this real strict diet, then they go off of it because they fuck up, they binge or whatever, have a cheat meal. And then the next day, they'll do like tons of cardio or they won't eat all day to try and make up for it. So the analogy that I like to use with this is like when you're driving on a wet road and your car starts to slip into one direction, if you over-correct with your steering wheel, you're going to spin and crash. And that's the equivalent of what's happening when you slip off your diet and then the next day you try to make up for it. You're actually probably doing yourself more harm than good. What I would recommend is just get back on your diet and just get back on your pre-comp and don't go crazy with trying to make up for whatever you just did because the likelihood is you're gonna overdo whatever you're trying to do, whether it be, today I'm doing two and a half hours of cardio because yesterday I had a slice of pizza or I'm gonna just not eat all day. You could definitely use fasting as a tool but when you're using it to make up for something else, bad habits start to come out of that. So I would say just try to get back on your diet. Now, if you're super close to your contest, I'll let Adam answer that because... Well, I think that's okay. Yeah, I got nothing. I think that... Well, Justin, please. Skip! No, I think that's incredible advice, Sal. And the only thing I would really add to that is a little more specific on things that I learned like as I went through this, if you actually are competing, right? I was blown away on how much knowing what I know and I still struggled with this because you've resisted for so long for this and I believe this applies for other things than just contest prep for bodybuilding. I think this is very similar to people that are prepping for anything where they have to be on a strict diet for a certain amount of time and what we tend to do is once we made it, we do this like celebration of like, ah, yeah, I fucking made it and they binge. And once they start that, it's a dangerous slippery slope. And so what I had to do, because I caught myself doing the same thing, like, oh, I'm gonna eat like crazy post-show. And the hard part with post-show stuff is you look fucking awesome as you're eating bad food. Like the more bad food I eat for like the first 24 hours, the cooler I look. I mean, I was so depleted that almost all those calories were going to like just filling my muscle bellies up. So I'm just getting like you're growing and I still got abs because you were so depleted, you're 2% body fat. It's not like you're gonna go from 2% to 10% overnight, but you definitely go from 2% to like 6% real quick. And so what I had to start to do was to treat after my show, I would have to mentally tell myself that my dieting, my programming, all that stuff like that actually doesn't stop from till another week to two weeks later. And I would diet out of that. So, and that's what reverse diet, this huge popularity and reverse dieting is all about is slowly reintroducing. Now that doesn't mean you can't go have a nice burger after your show at that. Enjoy, I mean, have a great big meal. One big, huge meal post to all that is not gonna kill you, but do not be fooled that it's not going to spike, leptin, fill you all and just create like this. Your appetite is going to be roaring. And so if you have this fuck it, I'm over. I don't mind that competing. I'm not focused anymore. And you lose focus real easily that can get out of control. So I would actually start to plan out, you know, day one at post show, day two, day three, day four, or what it would look like. And I would allow myself calories and extra stuff and things that I hadn't been able to do on my contest prep, but I'd be more strategic about how I reintroduce it versus a free-for-all, which is what happens to most people when they fall off. So I think treating it with a little more structure, I think that is something that you can't, don't just. Because they're asking about pre-competition dieting too, so like you're getting ready for a show. Yeah, if you're, well, this is why I don't like cheat meals. This is why I think it's stupid when coaches do this like, oh, you're gonna have a cheat day on this day. It's like, no, it's not, you shouldn't even teach your client that. It should be like, hey, we need a surplus of calories and this is what we're going to do. But it's this culture that's been created in the competitive world that drives me crazy this. You know, hey, cheat day or cheat meal, like, no, you idiot. Like, if your coach is telling you that, what's the science behind why he's telling that? Well, that's because he's trying to fill you back up with more carbohydrates and calories. But in your head, you're connecting that with, oh, I've been good. Oh, I can cheat. And so you do this back and forth game, which is just a bad relationship with food. Really, if you need a surplus of calories, you should still target getting it from healthy foods and if it does end up being a burger or whatever. And really, I think one of the best things you could do when you're going into pre-competition prep or if you compete on stage and present your body, realize that all the things that you do to get on stage really push you towards bad relationships with exercise and food. Now, that doesn't mean you're going to get those. Just understand that you're entering into an environment that really promotes that and be aware of it because then you can see what's happening to your mind and your body as you're going through this process. You know, I trained a pageant competitor a long time ago. So pageant world isn't that different from the competition world. Might even be worse in terms of like diet pills and starving yourself and stuff like that. And I could clearly see what it did to our mind as she would enter these contests and what would happen with how she would eat with her food and with her exercise and how she would treat them. And my goal was always to make her aware of it. Like, look, you are gonna be presenting yourself on a stage, people are gonna be dissecting you both physically and verbally and all these other things. And that does in some people promote bad behavior or unhealthy behavior, I should say. And just be aware of what's going on because then you can catch it before it gets out of hand. Because, you know, already the question alone tells me that this particular individual is already in that bad state where they slip off and then the next day they try and make up for it by doing this whole normal stuff. Well, I'm gonna tell you something that's gonna sting a little bit. You don't belong competing, sorry. It's a sport, just like anything else is. There's levels to that. Like, it's just like I don't belong getting on a rugby field. You know why? Because I don't fucking know how to play the game. I haven't trained for it, I'm not mentally, I'm not physically ready for it. What the fuck would I be doing on a rugby? Just bottom line. Now, maybe there's part of me that wants to go play rugby. So what would I do before that? I would do all the things to get me ready to get ready just to even play the fucking sport. I wouldn't just hop on a field and compete with professionals or with people that are taking this on that sort of thing. You're saying people with like really bad issues with food. It's probably not a good idea to compete. Yes, if you have not honed in on your connection to food, if you cannot diet for six to eight weeks, very, very strategically strict and dialed in on your own with no competition, you haven't proven to yourself. Why would you even hop on a stage and compete against people for a trophy? And it's a sport. It's a great point because I mean, look at the sport in general. It is the most, it's the glorification of like all your insecurities. Oh my God dude. You're putting all your insecurities on display to get feedback from everybody else which is exactly the wrong message. So if you don't recognize that it's a sport and it's a temporary thing that you're just going in to be like, oh cool, I did that versus like, I get my identity from this, it's just gonna lead back into your life. Now on the flip side, it could also be a tool to help with those insecurities. Like let's say you're somebody who- To address them like- To address them. Yeah. To, you know, get in a certain shape. I don't know. I disagree. No, it could be. Here's why I disagree. It could be a learning experience. Here's why I disagree. It's a tough argument. That's like throwing me out on the rugby and saying, hey, you're probably gonna learn a lot. Why you go out here and play? You're gonna break a leg. Yeah. I mean, if you put me in a rugby game, I'm gonna learn some shit. I'm not gonna like not learn anything. So just like you put somebody in that sport, they're gonna learn something but why would you do that? There is no reason for you to learn that way. So Nola, this is, I wanna talk about this. I'm glad we went this direction because this needs to be addressed because this is getting worse and the sport is becoming so popular. We just went and saw our boy, Arya, compete at a show that when I was competing just two and a half years ago, it was like dead. Like hardly anybody went to it. We went to the prejudging of it and it was twice the size of the night show that that was too, so the sport is exploding. Everybody wants to be a men's physique athlete or a women's bikini athlete right now. It's like the fucking cool thing to do. And what the problem I see with it is too many people are trying to do it that don't belong doing it yet. Or they've never learned how to do things a healthy way first. So if you're gonna go like to this extreme and you're not recognizing that it's a sport without the knowledge to then like transition back to a healthy lifestyle and a healthy identity for yourself, you're gonna set yourself up for fucking horrible habits later on in life. I trained to compete for almost a year and a half before I decided to diet for a show. And that entire time I was training my body and dieting but during that entire time I was learning as much as I could about a sport I was about to get in. And I'll never forget my buddies that were all these big time coaches, right? For the big teams. I'm not gonna say any draw anybody on the bus but I've got multiple buddies that run these big teams for men's physique bikini and bodybuilders. And they were like, get on the show now, get on there. And the judges need to see you and the more they see you, the better chances you have to work up the ladder and I'm like, I'm not ready for the sport. I'm still learning like how I get ready, dieting wise, how I do this, what I needed, how long I needed, you know, I'm trying to figure out, okay, when I do this, this and this, my body takes this long to respond. Like I'm paying attention to all that stuff. And I was practicing all those things before I even went in at my first amateur show. And so when I hear people that are like struggling with this like falling off the wagon in their preseason or they don't not even sure if, you know, 12 weeks is enough time for them to, like you need to know all that stuff. You should know what it takes you to get down to 3% body fat from wherever you are currently right now. And you should practice that before you ever decide to step in an arena. Well, let me ask you guys this. Do you think that these sports of where you're, you know, presenting yourself, these aesthetic based sports, do you think they've done more damage? Absolutely. Yeah. This is why I'm, this is why I'm passionate. Don't get me wrong here. I'm not like- I mean, I know, I mean, I know how we'd answer but I wanted to ask you. But this is why I think that's, it's so important that people understand that I'm not like, man, I know there's, I'm probably offending a bunch of people that are like looking to sign up for their first show right now. And now I totally pooped on their whole fucking deal, right? But here's the deal. Like it's, it is a very unhealthy sport, one of the most unhealthy sports, but I love it. And I think you can do it. It's like, it's like CrossFit to me. It's like- Yeah, it's very much like CrossFit. It's like, I love CrossFit too. And I love to watch it. I think it's an awesome sport. And I think it's so cool to see some of these athletes perform at the highest level. I'm, I'm envious. I think it's a rad, but- Here's my two like issues with both CrossFit and you know, these, these types of sports that like put you on display as far as like your physique is concerned. You're competing in lifestyle day-to-day like necessities, right? So I need to eat every day. Like I need to be doing some form of exercise, you know, every day to be healthy. The point I'm trying to make with CrossFit, I guess, is that there used to be a process to train for a sport, right? And there was a purity there as far as like, okay, I'm going to build myself up and I'm, there's a whole process. And then now there's this endurance part and this is all leading up towards now, I'm going to get in season and now I'm competing at a very high level in season, right? So what happened was there's, it becomes convoluted. It becomes this muddied up process where now we're competing in what was supposed to be the preparation for the sport, which is exactly how I see on, you know, on like eating, like eating stuff is being the preparation for me competing. Like this is like, these are habitual things that are healthy processes that now we turn them into a sport for what? Yeah. I just have a big issue with it. Yeah, I mean, I mean, for me, I mean, I think there's definitely some good things that's brought to the fitness. Oh, I, it changed my life. It's changed my life. It's made me a better coach. It's made me, I mean, I love it. So don't get me wrong. But definitely if you have issues with food and issues with, you know, body image, it'll probably push you in the wrong direction. It's a, it's not necessarily the greatest thing. Every show I've ever been to, I just hear the conversations people have and I can see the way people look and it's just, oh my God, this is really bad. I don't think it's that hard. Okay, so, and it's very simple, right? I feel like if you, anybody before they decide to compete where you're gonna get up, be compared by judges, stand next to other men and women and be compared, before you put yourself in that environment, you should at least just get yourself in the best shape of your life and see what that looks like and what it took to get there and what you learned along the way. That right there will at least give you a step up from 90% of these people that I see entering their first shows that just decide they're gonna hire a coach and say, hey, because that's what's happening right now. It's becoming so popular that someone goes like, I wanna do that and I believe I got the discipline to do that. Who's your coach? Who helped you out? Then they go hire that motherfucker who has no business helping these people. Well, here's what you gotta consider. You gotta consider the damage that you're gonna do to your body because you do create, even if you do it right, you are gonna damage your body, getting in that kind of condition and so you need to know that and you know how to come out of that. That's number one, because I've already now seen several women who I'm working with who've done some pretty bad damage to their metabolic systems, to their gut, to their health in general and number two, realize that there's gonna be some, you have to withstand some damage to your psyche because you're gonna restrict so much because you have a specific date because it has to be so perfect at the time when you go off and that motivation is gone, that competition's over, it's gonna flip you a little bit into a tailspin and so be very aware when you enter into that world that you're gonna be doing those things so that you can at least approach it with a little bit more awareness. Well, then you're also gonna be judged by somebody who's gonna tell you that your lats aren't big enough, your legs are too small, you know. If you're not emotionally ready to handle criticism. That's right. It's not a fucking sport for you. And not only that, but to be okay with it, it could be a bunch of bullshit too because the judge is probably. So subjective. The judge could be sleeping with one of the fucking girls that's up on stage and he cares more about her getting a trophy than he cares about you getting a trophy. And even though you fucking have a better physique, you may not get it and you may be told it's because you don't have round enough shoulders. You know what I'm saying? You gotta be ready for all that and be okay with that and knowing what you're getting into. And I think just the first prerequisite to that is just diet yourself, just train, just hold yourself accountable with this and see the pitfalls, see the challenge that you have so you're aware of it when you decide to go and play the sport. I mean, prepare yourself a little bit. Cat Bowl is asking, what is the most important aspect of personal care? Personal care? Cat Bowl. Our own personal care. Wow. What does it say? What is our most important aspect of personal care? I would say. Are we personal? Each one personal? No, I think the, maybe just what we think. Is there a the? Is there a the? You know, I would say there's, I'm trying to think of something that would kind of encompass everything, right? And I think really, really understanding and caring for yourself on a true and accurate level because that will guide your decisions. That will guide your food, that'll guide your nutrition. That'll guide the relationships that you allow yourself to have. You know, a lot of people are in these relationships with either friends or, you know, significant others where they're destructive. You know, they take away from you. They, they beat you down. They can be abusive. And really the core, the core of that is you don't care about yourself enough to not be around that person. That's really what the bottom line is. And so, and I know it's a lot of personal responsibility. It sucks because people feel stuck in some of these situations. So the most important aspect is caring. Just really caring about yourself is where I'll put it. I mean. That's funny because it's not true. In a true way. Yeah. I wasn't gonna go the opposite way. You're going like more physical stuff. No, no, I was gonna say, no, originally, yeah, I was. Actually, originally, I was thinking like a baby wipes and making sure you take care of your asshole. That's why I thought you meant like, you know, per, like hygiene. No, exactly. This is like a hygiene question to me. But you took it like as in personal care. I think it's something that'll cover all of that. Yeah. Well, I guess that's maybe been, the probably the question is this because. You went deep, man. He's probably right. Cause I know our topics lately have been kind of this direction of like awareness and, you know, taking care of yourself. And, you know, here's one. So first of all, a great book. Trim them nose hairs. The subtle art of not giving a fuck. I just posted it on my Instagram recently and I think that's an excellent book when you ask a question like this. And actually what I liked about the book, it was quite opposite of what most self-help type books would be like, where it is, you know, love yourself, it's not, it was more like, stop giving a fuck. You know, stop giving a fuck about everything and letting all those things affect you and embrace your insecurities and embrace the things that challenge you most. And so my advice to the best thing you could do for personal care. And I think, I think Justin is really good at this too. Like, well, I think all of us are. I think that's one of the things that we're, I think are attracted to each other is that everybody is very growth-minded and it's, we face the things that we know we're not good at. So I am not afraid. I love, it's crazy, but you had to learn to flip this on its head. Cause in my early twenties, I did not love this. I did not love being told that I wasn't good at something or all the things that I was insecure about, right? Or that I, whatever, whatever it was, I didn't like it when I was younger. And now as an adult, I love it. I embrace it. Tell me. I think you build up the resiliency towards it, right? Yes. It takes time. You know, it creates growth. And that's what you, it takes you, you know it's going to take you, which was a lot of the history behind the company Level Up that Justin and I were first originally started before we met Sal was, and Doug was, you know, that's what Level Up stood for was that I was always looking for this next level of growth and trying to put myself in these uncomfortable positions to level up. And so I feel like, you know, the best thing you could do to care about yourself is to actually be seeking out these things that you're most uncomfortable with and facing them. I think we spend so much time trying to hide or avoid them or, you know, or ignore them or deny them. And instead of that, like, oh wow, like really pay attention to things that make you, that state change you, that make you feel different, whether it be positive or negative, do not neglect to pay attention to that and then address it. And by address it, I mean like internally address it, like whoa, Sal just says that. And understand how you're addressing it each time, you know, like what steps you're taking and then you can really start to see how this all plays out, you know, as you pay more close attention to your everyday habits, your everyday decision making, you know, the things that somebody says that affects you a certain way, like how you react, all these things, you just start to really take a critical look and dive deeper as far as like what makes you and like how you interact with your environment. And once you start paying closer attention to that, it's like, it's very eye-opening and then you see what benefits you the most. I mean, it's right there in front of you. It takes, it does take the awareness to be able to say to yourself, like I'm not good at this, I don't like this. Cause there's a lot of things we avoid that we don't realize that we avoid. That's a really hard part to do. That's a very, very difficult one. Like, you know, I have a tendency to do my taxes on the last fucking day. I do this every year, right? And I had to really talk to my, this realization, like, yeah, I hate them so bad, but I do them anyway. Why don't I just do them? Why don't you just do them early? Yeah, why don't I, and just do it, like kind of just force myself and face that type of thing and get more organized with it. And there's a lot of things that, you know, that I have in my life like that where I'll put things off or I won't do them because I don't like doing them or they make me uncomfortable. And now what I'm trying to do is, okay, this really makes me uncomfortable. Gotta have to do it anyway. I'm gonna just do it right now. Well, and let's go. And avoid, does it feel better? Let's go further though, like, so which I know you have this ability to do that. I think where people really miss is because of all that. So let's say that's Sal's thing, right? Then what normally happens is it puts him in a bad mood and then maybe he snaps it like his wife or his kid or his partner. And he is blaming that person for whatever stupid little thing they're doing, right? And in reality, it's really this thing that's buried deep that it's something that he procrastinates, he puts off, it's now affecting him that way. That's what I mean by- Because it causes you some form of anxiety. Yes, that's- So you're like, it's like sort of a protection process where it's like, you're not gonna address it, not gonna address it, not gonna address it till now I have to address it. Because it's like, taxes especially, I can kind of voice into this because it definitely does the same thing with me. But I figured it out, it's like, it's the unknown of it. And so once you really start to dive into knowing it more in depth as far as- Absolutely. Here's the process. Okay, I gotta write this all out first. So next year, I'm gonna get on top of this early. Step one is to fill it all out, send it off to this person and you start managing. So now it becomes more known and more expected and you get into those numbers of like, so it's not so uncertain, because the uncertainty of it is what gives the most anxiety, right? Like, oh my God, now we're gonna have to pay. Well, let's talk about too, how amazing that feels when you flip that on its head too. Like when you actually turn it into a strength of yours. That now it's something that you used to procrastinate, you avoid, you didn't like, that you said, you know what, I'm gonna fucking embrace this, I'm gonna solve this, I'm gonna be ready for this. And then the following year when that comes around and the feeling that you'll get, you'll be like, whoa, that would fucking aid. It's way better. I allowed all that stress on myself because it's something that either one was an insecurity or I didn't wanna deal with, whatever it may be, whatever the reason doesn't matter, it's the fact that that's something that's causing you. And this is what self-care is really about in my opinion, is learning to see these things that create shifts in your state and then learning and backtracking and diving into what caused it and then what can I do differently? What are the favorable reactions? What's the better process that you can utilize? You learn to do that. I'll tell you right now, like you'll be taking real good fucking care of yourself. Or you could just get the wipes. Pour that. Just wipes. Check it out, mindpumpmedia.com, 30 days of coaching, still for free. And we've now added studies to back up a lot of the things that we talk about in the 30 days of coaching. That's all at mindpumpmedia.com. Also, if you wanna ask us a question and you want us to answer it on our QUA episodes, this is what you do. Go to Instagram, go to mindpumpmedia and post a question underneath the QUA memes. We post them up. Hashtag QUA. A hashtag QUA. We post them up like twice a week and ask a question underneath it. If we like it, then we will talk about it on our show. And you can find my personal page at Mind Pump Sal. Adam's at Mind Pump Adam and Justin is at Mind Pump Justin. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. 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