 All right, here we are another episode of let there be talk fantastic guest today. We have a director of a Amazing documentary. I saw recently called mr. Jimmy and my guest is Peter Dowd. How are you buddy of the director of it the masterpiece? Yes, thank you for saying masterpiece. Yeah Happy to be here Dean. Thanks so much for having me. What a film man it's It's you know, I've been to Japan a few times. I absolutely love Japan and the thing I love about Japan the most is their passion and their I mean their deep dive rabbit hole of something they might love so There's a neighborhood there off a shinjuku there You know, they have all the bootleg shops and then down the road from there is a street that basically if you want to look like a 60s hippie like out of easy rider or Say a haydash berry. There's a store there and it will have everything perfect recreated say you want to look like a 70s biker They have a store with all that clothing. You want to look like you know a cowboy from like You know a James Dean film giant they have a store for that and but it's not just You know, oh cowboy stuff. It'll be like this is exactly what James Dean wore in Giant this hat we sourced it out. We got the original these this denim is You know hand woven from the original you know The the the the machines from Levi, you know that that kind of stuff. Yeah, and I have that kind of Rabbit hole thing of like passion of like if I love something I absolutely go crazy and all in on it To say You know deep dive rabbit hole. Mr. Jimmy is probably the king of it. Let's let's get into what we have here It was kind of a long intro, but I'm trying to set up My love of Japan and why because I wear Japanese denim these glasses are made in Japan Okay, everything. I you know, I love Japanese made stuff because it's just phenomenal. Yeah Yeah, I mean being there Yeah, I went four times over the course and making the documentary and I think maybe five days into being there the first time All of a sudden I just kind of all crystallized. I was like, oh Everything makes sense. Of course. He's like this. Of course. He's Soldering in particular. He wants to test a shielded power cable versus an unshielded power cable to detect how that might affect the tone Of course, he's going to measure how much solder do we want to use on this capacitor? Because when you get walk into a 7-eleven in Tokyo, it's like coming to Tiffany's on Fifth Avenue I mean the the attention to detail the craft the organization is and it's throughout the culture Permiates the culture on every level even in the most mundane things. There's such respect for no matter what your job It doesn't matter what your task is things are done properly and I loved it. I mean, yeah being exposed to you does my first time ever in Japan But yeah, everything just sort of clicked. You're like, oh, this is why a Kio Does it this way? He has no other choice if he's going to do it. He has to do it all the way so what we're talking about here is basically a Kio that's I call him Mr. Jimmy because that's what yeah, mr. Jimmy. He's a he's a young man is buddy turns them on to Zeppelin and From that day like a lot of us We want to play guitar. We want to be in a band He falls in love with Zeppelin, but he goes even further he wants to basically become Jimmy Page and over this period of years he slowly sources out exact Marshall amplifiers exact guitar tones chords pickups soldering exact and this is the one that blows my mind because I've been wanting to know who made the Jimmy Page drag of pants he sources out a woman who Hand and brooders all the outfits that Jimmy Warren his career all of them the opium Outfit they the dragon pants and jacket even the early 69 look of the whiskey a go-go Every outfit and not only does he find somebody to make him which was blown my mind He would slow down the song remains the same and be like, oh wait a minute. There's a crease right there And I'm I'm getting the crease because the arm is not right the arm holes too small or too big it it is almost Insane, but at the same time I can relate to it because I'm going like I Understand, I mean he's becoming somebody else. I don't relate to that But I do relate to Find craftsmanship in everything. I want the best. I want the Jimmy Page Exact outfits. I want the exact tone the exact amplifiers At what point do you meet this man and decide to do a documentary on him? So it all started with one late-night text from a friend. I grew up in Boston He's still in Boston and he sent me a text saying hey Peter I just saw a Zeppelin tribute band because I'm a huge Zeppelin fan just saw Zeppelin tribute band that wasn't total shit Wasn't even Jimmy, but it got my mind going about tribute bands. What is this thing? What is this all about? I was I just finished one film needed to start another and I was like, you know This is interesting right like anybody can or not anybody, but you could maybe decide that you want to try to paint like Van Gogh But it's something different to try to paint like Van Gogh Dress like Van Gogh cut off your fucking ear live your entire life like Van Gogh die young I mean every detail and I thought these guys are this is kind of an interesting life. You're an art, you know, I Do feel like the American way a lot of times is be yourself, right? But what's it like to not be yourself? But then I went down speaking to rabbit holes the rabbit hole of YouTube I looked at every tribute band out there and Who what who were you looking at Zeppelin only or other bands anything? Van Halen Judas Friest. I mean every band out there has a copy. Yeah, and you know No problem with them, but there just weren't any that were actually Inspiring I just thought okay I don't want it man you to make a documentary you're putting a couple years of your life into it Yeah, you're not doing it for the money and I just it's not good karma or it's just not my vibe too I'm not gonna make a movie taking a piss out of somebody or having a laugh or anything like that and I thought maybe maybe this isn't the best idea because I kind of wanted to go a little deeper with it and Then I saw this clip and it said rain song 1979 version press play and Boom it was just instant I recognize because I'm a fan blue button-down shirt white linen pants black loafers Nebworth Nebworth to a fucking tee and I'm thinking you know, yeah Every all these other but you know, maybe everyone yeah good They get some vague amalgamation of a dragon suit right who the fuck does Nebworth? Yeah, we I love Jimmy Page the man's a god. Maybe his least cool look But also interesting look cuz he's like 71 pounds at that full strung out and Transition into punk new wave whatever you want to call it's like zeppelin that the zeppelin that that wasn't it is the start But anyway, I'm like who would track down this obscure look to a tee I'm like this as well and then more importantly. I press play. I'm listening to the way he's playing He's playing it the 79 style 79 tone 79 arrangement and then there's a clip from 1970 page had a beard in 1970 Akio has a fake beard Wow, and he's he's holding his body a little more introverted because page in the early days a little more introverted Then of course 75 77 he's got the white dragon suit. He's you know acting as if he's in The silver dome, you know, he's big moves big moves. Yeah, wildly. Yeah, yeah He's got the shades, you know, and you're like this guy and and again it all comes back to the plane the plane You could have the costumes, but if the everything has to be perfect the plane as you know was so bang on I'm like this guy is like a virtuoso himself Virtuoso player fucking musical historian and a method actor. Yeah Full on like he's he's got it all and I just without thinking I think my best decisions in life are turning my Brain off just emotionally. I just found his website was all in Japanese didn't know What was all about but I just sent a very simple email saying I really don't know what your story is But I think it might be really cool and I think I might just be the guy to tell it because I'm I recognize all these details I recognize Nebworth 77 1970 I recognize all this stuff and Maybe I could help tell your story and his wife Mrs. Jimmy I wrote back and said you must be a lucky guy because he just moved to LA to join Ledzeb again So at that point I'm like well now I have no choice. This is like this is fate, right? And that was it. That was a start It it's really When you think about what has to happen for him to become mr. Jimmy It's almost mind-boggling because any of the things And it's out. He looks like him. Yeah, it's really bizarre, you know, he's like, yeah He's Japanese, but he looks like Jimmy Jimmy often times you're like his Jimmy Japanese is he have some Hawaiian in him Is it you know I'm saying he's got this maybe a different looks throughout his years where you're quite, you know kind of ambiguous his his look And then he has to learn to play guitar and Not only learn to play guitar, but at the highest level and then he has to you know Find other people to do it with him. Yeah, which is all which is the main torture of the of the documentary, of course, you know his His passion and his insanity to a point It is like in set after a while you're like, oh, I played with guys like this, you know And and after a while you're like, you know, like, no, I said move left then right then up You know what you're doing a rock move or whatever, but all of that has to come together for him to become this and then Never stopping Never stopping. Yeah It is so what I have a lot of questions One of the best things I'm gonna tell you guys about this podcast is if you're a huge Zeppelin freak like us I Absolutely worship Zeppelin and there was a time where I owned every Zeppelin bootleg every show has been bootleg Every one of them and I had them all on CD. I went to Japan. I went to this place fish heads I believe it was and they had everything and Japan has the best bootlegs There's even a scene where he goes in and gets some they're the over-the-top ones, you know, Taryn Tura Taryn Whatever that yeah, and then and different Brands that would just outdo each other with these bootlegs, but it's amazing One of the great things in the documentary is where you just said it 72 Jimmy plays song remains the same like this But in 73 he plays it like this. Yeah, and 75 broken finger era He plays it like this 77 like this. So there's a part in the movie where It's so great where he's showing you all of the different nuances of that and most people go I don't even I don't see it. Yeah, I Hear it. Yeah, but the way for him when he shows it to you is so amazing. Yeah, I love that Yeah, that's he does stairway like yeah, like a BBC sessions version Right, I guess 73 maybe MSG version and then he does like a net worth Arrangement and it's funny. Yeah, your casual person might be like, oh, this guy's nuts I didn't hear anything, but if you're a musician at all or if you have an ear you're like Oh, I really did evolve and those are three Different arrangements three different styles and that is Anyway, that's why the whole endeavor is worth doing. That's because Jimmy Page and the band They were a real live band almost like a jazz band where they were They were really doing it for themselves to keep it interesting and to they weren't just rehashing the same Version again and again and again and constantly pushing it forward and so it is really interesting to see Man in 75 they were getting really funky. That's a really funky tour That stuff is really fun and interesting versus say a 73 is a whole different vibe. Certainly versus 69 and page was changing amplification changing, you know, all kinds of stuff and Yeah, and to I again, I yeah, I had tons of bootlegs myself but to sit With him in a high watt amp and recreate a 1970 style show and really dig into that tone. Be like, oh, that's really bad Yeah, tone. It's and it's different than than the Marshall thing and I got it Education times a hundred on Led Zeppelin think I went into it thinking. Yeah, I know all the stuff man. I got all the tapes I was like, wow, this guy Is on a different different level Akiyo's study is that deep and it's worth doing because yeah, Jimmy Page was just constantly Evolving keeping it interesting pushing the envelope And I think there's really no other band like that So he moves to LA we're gonna get I don't want to fast forward too quick on that But your first meeting with him, he doesn't really speak English He moves out here to join a cover band a tribute band Which is mind-boggling crazy and we'll get into why he does that in a minute But when you first sit down and meet with him Does he move out here with a translator because I didn't uh, I was trying to figure that out in the film No, he's he's be From now, you know He's been touring enough with guys his English has gotten significantly better back then I mean, I used to sit there and go like how the fuck are you working out A lot a 26 minute arrangement of days and views you don't even speak English and these other guys don't speak Japanese Like how the fuck and a lot of times it was exceedingly difficult. Yeah, he didn't come out here with a translator He spoke at that point really limited English, but um, I don't know the universal pointing grunting nodding somehow. Yeah, somehow they got through it, but yeah our first Interview was all you know with the translator and I You know to be honest at the first meeting I filmed a concert with him and Zep again And I did a sit-down interview and I still was like, gee, I don't know. Maybe this will be a short film I don't know how how How deep can we go with this could this be as long as a feature and he came in and he played the rain song And I it was like fucking being inside the record. It was like Terrifying and awesome and amazing and he like puts the guitar down and I was like wow like You know that song's in an unusual tuning and a lot of people like can't figure out how to play it How long did it take you to figure that one out and he's like 35 years And I like I like laughed and he's like what are you laughing for and I'm like, well, what do you mean? He's like well Peter I listened to that record Still 35 years on and maybe I just one fret position one finger position a year or maybe pick up one note every other year And I was like oh this this is gonna be a feature feature like the movie because he is in Deep and yeah, but the communication thing at first. I mean the whole thing it was uh He was going for it But I mean he had literally just met jimmy page face to face and that that you can't underestimate how what that was For him. Yeah, and that If jimmy page didn't go to tokyo to to promote celebration day and decided man I literally the guy he had just got off the plane Maybe I don't have the energy to see a three and a half hour tribute show If jimmy page said, uh, I think I'll have to do it next time. Maybe there wasn't a next time Maybe a keo just stays in tokyo Keeps his day job And never takes this this journey. Yeah, never know but So here's what happens people He starts to be a become jimmy and get obsessed And on the weekends he puts together kind of a four piece band that plays in a a small bar that holds maybe 50 people And he starts playing there for years. Yeah and they're doing Like eras like oh, you can go see 72 a lot like oh these dead Cover bands that'll be like dark star or crystal where they're like we're going to do The great american musical record release show or we're going to do 76 You know New jersey whatever So he starts doing that and for years and years and years and then one day jimmy page Comes into this bar and watches this Four piece band and watches him recreate jimmy in front of his face and The camera angle is amazing because it's behind jimmy and you just see him just going. Oh my god, like The whole night he's going crazy. Like he's nailing this and And it is insane And then the next day or so he decides to move to LA, but did you ask him? How jimmy found out about him and who brought him there and that whole thing Yeah, so, you know jimmy page is pretty keen on all everything that's going on in the zeppelin world So he had heard of mr. Jimmy's activities And I think what happened was uh, mr. Jimmy and his wife Were constantly if you ever come to japan, you know, uh, please we'll put on a show Basically just for you. Yeah, and uh, I think they Through, uh, maybe the japanese division of warner brothers records or something like that had just over the years Well, finally, I think the warner brothers records said well, actually he is going to come To to town to promote celebration day and they were like, well, you know We're gonna put on a show at the the gigabar this tiny club And of course, you know, please and They were like, well, we'll let you know and I think maybe two days before they're like, yep He's gonna come and I I went to that club which was so small and I started to get heart palpitations just thinking all right. I'm here Jimmy page is there. I have to do them 26 minute days confused. Yeah I got nerves just thinking about what it would have been like for him But you watch the tape and he crushes it. He really did crush it and uh and I think that I I think it all comes back to that night in terms of this movie being able to be released because I think jimmy page Recognized wow to figure out the 26 minute days to confuse to and not just play the notes, but to get the tone and Uh, yeah the amps the instruments. He has the exact same instruments. Yeah, he's got the telly He's got the magnifox. He's got the high watt. He's got the two marshals. He has the martin d 18 he has the You know the What was the other thing he had that blew blew me away. I can't Acoustic. Yeah, the harmony sovereign. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah that. Yeah. It's like what, you know No, but that that night and that Jimmy pay because the first thing jimmy page said to him was like The work the work that you put into this I'm just blowing away and it happens really fast. But if you watch it again Jimmy page walks up to him and the first thing that he actually takes a keo's playing hand And and kisses his hand. Wow. It's a pretty strong gesture. Yeah, and and I think he was just like Really, uh Moved I'm sure at first you walk in there and oh, yeah, you're like man, this is a little curious You got four guys. Japanese guys up there wearing you and your friends pants from 1973 It's a little odd. Yeah, but once you got into the music and he heard the tone and and crushing those live arrangements and And obviously he's taking man. This guy really did spend 30 years Play rewind half speed You know quarter speed like rewind play rewind pause. Is it here? Is it here? Okay? No, I guess it's here All right. I'll pick it up tomorrow I'm on to minute four and you gotta remember Yeah years later. You got to remember like, oh, yeah, this is I forgot I'm doing 77 Yeah, I that's the thing. I'm always like, okay So, you know, maybe you're gonna do 73 this weekend and next weekend Yeah, 1980 show. Hi, but um It's I don't know. It's like it's just calling in life. I don't know. But anyway that night. I really think jimmy phage Genuinely was moved and that's the only reason this movie could ever be released is that Jimmy signed off on it. Yes. Awesome. And because of a keo's work I think it's the only Only reason that they they would do that and hopefully I think we did our best to just I was just always like All right, we just have to meet a keo's level meet a keo's level of trying to meet jimmy phage's level and Do the best we can we multi-tracked every show We really did a lot of work in the mix to try to just make it sound as it as it should and At the same time The sound out of a keo's amp is so beautiful. You don't need to you're certainly not Fucking around with that. I mean, it's just gorgeous. Yeah, so um Anyway, it was a pleasure But we getting the permission to do it and use the music I think really all comes down to that night and jimmy phage saying, you know what this guy is special Lots of questions watching whenever I watch a documentary I understand documentaries have to be about an hour and a half to two hours But I'm always like wait a minute back up So jimmy comes then his wife says move to america. Yeah She doesn't go He's living in like some shit apartment in like sherman oaks or something and Yeah Lots of questions That's a very japanese thing. I was like, um So, uh Wife, uh, are you done? But that that is uh, I mean um How do you describe that hardcore focus? I mean the the wife believed This was his mission in life And he had just turned 50 50 wow, I mean he looks young but he just turned 50 jimmy page had just seen him And she thought this is your purpose in life. So if I don't see you I see you every six months or once a year Life is short go chase your dream. So that was amazing and still married or no. Oh, yeah, wow She's coming to our la premiere Come out you can meet mrs. Jimmy who's as compelling as as mr. Jimmy She's she'll be there on the 15th and 16th at man's chinese. So yeah, but she it was remarkable and uh, I was like, um I did you know, you just ask those basic questions. Do you miss your mom? Do you miss your wife? That's like this is this is my chance and I do respect that i'm 47 so, you know you At 50 having had a day job his entire life He's like, you know, how many more years do I have to actually Go for it and and for him all of a sudden again, it had always been nights and weekends Now for the first time in his life at age 50. He's a working musician. Yeah, so it was really exciting and the opportunity of a lifetime so The equipment he has and the outfits he has and everything is a lot of money Yeah, this day job They don't I really couldn't get a grip on what he does or whatever But he must have made some pretty damn good money because he has a 59 reissue He has the tally. He has the multiple marshals. He has the d18 martin Uh, the outfits, uh, the people that were putting the stuff together. What was his day job? Yeah, I probably should have this is yeah, I probably should have done a better job on that in the movie But he he I understand a movie has to move. Oh, yeah, but he uh, He I think he worked for a distributor of like, uh, guitar effects pedals and guitar accessories Oh, so he's in the biz sort of yeah, um, so Uh, and so we started to make friendships there and connections and maybe would get a lead on. Hey, we got to use He has a real 59 less ball Yeah, what so I'm hitting my coffee. Yeah Is that a real one that's playing on tour sometimes he might use a reissue or something like that But especially in japan that that's stuff that's opening the movie in this tiny ass club and nega to japan Is I mean that was wild to see here witness a 59 less ball straight into the high watt I mean it was fucking insane, but um, yeah, I would say, uh 99.9 of his equity is in his, um, jimmy page accoutrement and and guitar collection 100% they live very humbly Yeah, um, but again, they're mr. And mrs. Jimmy are fully committed to this dream and it's all about Well, I guess we'll we have to stay in our small apartment so that we can have a 59 Which basically if he sold the 59 he could buy a home Yes, like own a kickass house. Yeah I love it. I love the inside of him trade off. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, um, and then he You know, I'm sure he uh He he tries to find people in a circle try to he tried, you know Eventually someone kind of buy into the dream a little bit So maybe they give him a little break, but I know that that black dragon suit Yeah, was an incredible amount of work uh by missosawa and it's not cheap nor and all these amplifiers and then Do you know how much that outfit costs? Uh, I had heard a number around a big number like around like it took around 30 000 dollars worth of work or something like that to get that thing done It is spectacular because I've been talking. I'm about to do Madison Square Garden with bill burr And it's a dream Uh, one of the biggest dreams of my life Yeah, I played music and wanted to play Madison Square Garden Ever since the day I saw a song remains the same And now I'm doing it as a comedian, which even means way more to me But I always was obsessed with the dragon pants and jacket who made it Nobody seems to know I wanted to have the purse. I heard it's a woman in LA that made it But I always thought it would be great if I had a comedy special. I'd call it dragon pants You know because it's just so crazy, but we could hook you up with missosawa But have you talked yet 30 correct? Have you talked to? Um, mr. Jimmy about who made the original because it seems he would he's so obsessed I'm sure I'm sure he he's uh on on the hunt, but I don't think he ever got her Identity he did it. Well, how do you explain it in the film first came the pants right then came the top Yeah, I'm sure he's on the hunt. I mean he's I remember we went to a vintage We weren't filming we were just hanging out. We went to like a vintage clothing fair in LA And uh, he comes up to me like with this, uh blousey style Shirt and he's like Peter Peter can you believe it and I'm like fuck? I should know what this garment is. I should know what this is I'm like, wait a minute. What is it? What is what is he goes? Chicago 75? Just the encore and it was this like semi blousey thing that page had worn at like one show in fucking Chicago in 75 just for the encores and he like fucking so um It's it's it's wild and like you said it's all encompassing. It's not just the notes. It's not just the this It's all things page and to the point of when when he came in to do that first interview Peter. Well, what should uh, what should I wear and I said like well, you know, I'm actually interviewing you So, you know dress as your yourself. Yeah So he shows up with that Blazery thing and like a scarf around which is exactly how jimmy page would show up for an interview And I was like, oh, I get it like basically there is no there is no you you are always jimmy page And I was like wow, he's in deep and yeah any conversation, you know, I mean, I I love him It's great, but you bring him to your friend's dinner party And uh, whatever the occasion is at some point the conversation might circle towards the arm arms 83 Concert or like he's gonna he's gonna back someone into a corner and be like, let me tell you about outright Yeah, uh, because it's just firm. You're always one degree away. Yeah, and he that's the other thing too. He knows Even beyond zeppelin like I'm always like, uh, boy, you should can you just do one night of the firm at whiskey or gogo? Yeah, that would be so great get tony franklin's Become I saw the firm. You saw the firm saw the firm Oakland arena. I don't it was It was one of the greatest moments Because I didn't get to see zeppelin. I'm obsessed with dana greens and oakland and the last two zeppelin shows in america were in 77 Oakland and after that robert plant sun dies. They never play the states again because in 80 bonzo dies and I You know, I just love all things zeppelin in the era so I never got to see him and I finally got to see the firm and then later page plant and and all of that but You know to see page at any time is Is like a oh, wow You know, it really is. Oh, wow He is to me over anyone The ultimate rock star. I mean he produced those records. He wrote those records. He created The guitar star, of course you had hindricks and you have eddie van halen, but this was way different. This was like this guy was like I mean beyond Huge, you know he inspired paul mccartney to write lyrics about what it meant to be a rock star Like he wrote about who's that man running across the stage looks like he's you know from a different age jimmy page Like um, I remember I saw him first time live I guess I think I was freshman in college or something like that. He played boston garden page and plant tour Was first in line on new barry street tower records by a margin like six hours We're like we're gonna get the fucking best seats ever and then of course They show up and they're like, all right. We're just gonna give random numbers by wristbands I'm I've been here from fucking 24 hours and they're like, yeah, you're gonna be number 82 in a queue I was like, I'm gonna kill you but uh, eventually we get our tickets to the show I just saw like I see this shadowy figure come out on stage You know, they start playing that opening tales of brawn thing and I just see the ember of a cigarette And I'm like it's page, you know, and I was like totally it's page and just the I mean, he's uh, like as you said, he's a composer. He's a studio genius But he's also this like alchemist on stage who can do something beyond And uh, yeah, I completely lost my shit at that show. I mean it was amazing And that's even another a era of page if you look at all the airs for some reason there was all these rumors that he was totally Addicted to wine he'd be just drunk and then you had that like slobber would kind of drip off while he was playing And it would just kind of hang So, you know, you're all there's all these different eras of page That are just incredible. You're like, oh wow Did you see it? Did you see the 98 page plant tour? I saw the one the electric not the one with the With all the like the four-piece line. Yeah with that drummer When they were the 98 tour when he was doing no quarter live and how many more times live I was like it was fucking insane and his chops were insane Yeah, I man. I wish they had just kept on going but that those shows Uh, his playing is so ferocious and that band was so tight by that point. Anyway, it was great that that drummer was great Yeah, wow. Yeah, he's gone now. Yeah, michael lee. Yeah. Wow. That guy was insane Jimmy, you know I mean, it's just even the black crows thing. I was supposed to open for them And uh at the shoreline And I had a last 59 less paul Tom murphy reissue I'm like, I'm having him sign this guitar the second I meet him and then they cancelled Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, he heard his back or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, so It you know, if I ever met jimmy Like mr. Jimmy did the first thing I would say is who made the dragon suit That's over anything Um, I was recently a few years back went to that guitar exhibit in new york and they had a dragon suit in there And they say it's jimmy's his guitars were there as 59 and the and the telly dragon telly I think they were reissue, you know, I mean I looked at the guitars pretty hard And I was like, I think this is uh Like, you know, he has a some amazing re re created ones from tom murphy. I don't think it was the number one Um, but there was a dragon suit in there. Yeah, the full I got pictures I'll show it to you, but full on they had like a mannequin wearing the dragon suit And I was wondering if that is it. I know jimmy still has pretty much everything. Yeah Fucking wild. Yeah. I mean his book is amazing. The stuff he has in there. So good Now when mr. Jimmy moves here He's no longer working. He joins the the tribute band led zeppigan And uh Is he sharing an apartment with someone? How does this happen? So, uh Yeah, he has him with the singer, right? No, no, he well eventually he uh to train him He moved in for that guy to train and torture him. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. He's he's teaching That cover band led zeppigan All of their mistakes and teaching them how to fix it all. It's crazy. It's intense memos. Memos really well He had a friend has a friend named warren who uh, his family used to own some Music stores around LA forget the name of the chain, but warren used to go to japan I don't know maybe for trade shows or something met jimmy kind of became friends And warren when this all started that maybe I'll come to the states warren was like You come here. You got a place to stay in studio city Uh, it ain't Beverly Hills, but it's free. Yeah, so it's better. Yeah studio city. It's great. Yeah, so we moved to I might have ran walked by mr. Jimmy. You may have you may have So, uh, yeah his friend warren who uh, he had he's the guy who um, I shot a scene with him But we didn't put in the mood, but he's the guy who has that rickenbacher transonic Amp salt. It's a crazy solid state that they were using in 69 That's from warren's collection that warren and jimmy rehabbed to put in the working shape to use on that for that 69 show So, yeah, I mean they're like two maniacs in a pod hanging out there in studio city rewiring amplifiers and stuff But yeah, so jimmy's got some friends who kind of just helped make it make it happen but yeah, he comes here and You know, I really give swan actually the singer of lads up again a lot of credit because he He went he said, yeah, let's try doing these live arrangements. Let's do a three-hour show. Let's go for it And he didn't say hey, man, we've been doing this for 25 years Um, get get out of here. They they they went for it and uh, I'm actually glad it was like a good counterpoint in the movie somebody's got to say I don't know jimmy. Are we taking it too far? Well, it's a good point because you know These people hire Led Zeppelin cover bands or Judas Priest or Eddie Van Halen and stuff and In your mind when you start a tribute band, you're like, we're not going to play the standard shit, man We're going to play like uh, unchained But we're also going to play like, um, you know, take your whiskey home We're going to do like, uh, the Spanish fly instead of eruption and club bookers immediately and audiences They want the surface. They want the hits. They want the surface performance And you know, one of the greatest things I saw when I was growing up was beatlemania And of course it was the hits, but it was all the different eras and the looks and everything so You know, I do a tribute to bond scott once a year with a group of uh, you know, great humans bill bur playing drums, uh, Mike Inez, Allison change, josh z on guitar all these great guys And every year scottie and we're like, okay, let's get some deep tracks in there. You know, let's do, uh, squealer let's do, um overdose and man You get the just stairs You know, they're looking at you like, where should we all night long? You know and stuff like that so I was feeling that tension as he was like, I want to create The exact song remains the same concert and and the promoters are like, what is this shit? 23 minute guitar solo get the fuck out of here. That shit was real. Yeah Yeah, I mean, it's uh pretty bold. I mean because uh, I think, you know, sometimes we Show in the film. I mean they might just be playing, you know via gora hills Uh Yeah, they're like, let's have a community concert and they're like, yeah, man, we're gonna Give you the full on that was 26 days. It's like daytime. Yeah, you're like, okay um but That's commitment. That's commitment, but I I uh, I actually really respected the swan's point of view of You know, there's a time and place to go super deep Balls to the wall three and a half hour show and then you know tonight we're at romano's bar and grill So we may just need to do Some hits but um And jimmy says no see ya. Yeah, which I respect also But ball see he had moved to united states to join led zip again he Tries to create his vision of I want to do exact Uh eras and concerts they try it for a while They're like in a pizza power in in long beach and I'm like this guy moved from japan And he's in a pizza power. Yeah, that was tough. That was tough to film him You know, eventually he leaves up again And he's I thought the movie was gonna be over because they had done this recreation in tokyo with zep again It was I thought was bang on because again Now you're doing a show in a japanese theater where the entire crew is like jimmy, right? So they're like, oh Shall we redo the original pyro cues? And you're like, wow, this is insane But I think I like it and they're like well We need to bring in hot lights because they advantage hot lights. They you know in 73 Every fucking detail they do that show. I'm like, oh, this might be the end east meets west You guys had your conflict, but you put on a great show We're done and jimmy is like, didn't you see all the mistakes that they made and I was like, I'm sorry He's like, I'm quitting this band. I'm gonna form a new band It's gonna be a real high level and I was like, oh man I thought I was done with this project, but uh, maybe not maybe do I want to follow this guy? I guess and that's when it got really interesting and got harry and yeah He's forming his own band, but jimmy's a genius artist Maybe not so great at business and that band as you saw, yeah They wind up playing some a pizza parlor and if they're arguing and it falls apart And then he has no band and then that went on for almost a year. Wow where I was sitting with the movie Three and a half years in of shooting and I'm going, oh man, this would be a real downer ending If he just okay, and I lost I'm going back to japan and uh, yeah I'm gonna take my day job back and I'd be like but that sometimes is real life So I that interview on the couch in studio city. It was very real me saying You know, uh, it'd been like six nine months of nothing. I was like, you know Well, where are we what what do you think man? Because um I don't know. Do you want to go back to japan? And he was so heartbroken of the thought of going back to that lifestyle Of having a day job and all of us as artists can relate to that course We're just a few scary up some way from being back one flat tire away. Yeah, you know, so I was like I fucking get this and um, he's like peter. I I I don't think I could do it. I don't think I could Do it. I don't think I could go back to that life, especially in japan. It's so regimented you know and I Talk about losing yourself. So, um, he's like peter I've worked too hard. Something's gonna work out and I was like, we'll see and then Maybe a month later Jason bottom calls. It's unbelievable and I was like, oh my god I couldn't have been any more perfect and then he goes to audition. I said a prayer Yeah Peter I got the gig. Did you get to go to the audition or no? No, they wouldn't let me film that I was like Can I sneak in your gig bag? Can I do something that Jason's like no a private audition? I was like, okay, no problem But then in a way a spoiler alert creates a little drama in the movie Then we just hard cut to australia and at that point I was four years into filming Even more broke than I was a year prior. How the fuck am I gonna get to australia? I'm like, I gotta find a way to this is such an epic ending to the movie Yeah, like a fucking sign from god. I opened my mail. There's like a credit card offering from bank of america I'm like, we're going to australia boys. I fucking charged some plane tickets get down there We shoot him playing with jason our tiny crew. We were so happy for this guy I mean 40 fucking years of doing this and now he's playing with jason bottom in australia We all shared a little teary moment on that boat out there in australia and then him back and forth with jason Was insane musically and it was so great and I was like wow winner winner chicken dinner. I mean you achieved Your dream you did it now. You're taking this music on the road all over the world I was like, oh, this has actually worked out When he gets the jason bottom gig, which by the way, it's uh another Version of that rock star movie like the dude that's saying The covers You know worked at home depot. He's in boston The journey guy uh rnell the joins journey And the judas priest guy, you know the joins priest When he gets the gig Does jason say? Hey, you play incredible everything good, but don't wear the outfits Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. I mean in that situation, you know Jason's the big dog. Yeah, and jason's the real deal. So I think jason his vision for that show is uh It's different than jimmy's now jimmy still has his own mr. Jimmy band and they will do Costumes three and a half hours everything authentic, you know, they're playing more of your small clubs for for jason's tour Yeah, I mean I was like, oh, how's this gonna work out? But uh Clearly jason's the big dog there and is saying it's it's gonna be like this I think jimmy frown was like, okay, what do I got to do? How do I how do I make this work? Sometimes jason's arrangements. He might be like, all right when we do since I've been loving you It's going to be the 73 live msg style, but maybe we're going to do a wanton song That's pretty much studio mixed in with a little bit of how page did it on his own solo tour or something like that So uh finding all those those balances and jason I think loves to Maybe last minute to his guys be like, all right set list tonight. All right guys Let's do uh, let's do a run through of uh fool in the rain and why not how about a sound check with crucible umber And this is not jimmy's like in his hotel room like study instead has to be perfect has to be perfect has to be perfect But I mean musically it's just great. I mean Jason on drums jimmy on guitar. Yeah, uh and everybody in jason's band is really high level So um, it's pretty dope, but it is different. It's different than jimmy He's he's jase what's interesting about jason is if there's a part too, I guess we would get Jason will be like Hey, I want to see you on stage right right. Who are you? Yeah? Yeah So it's a very american-british thing versus a japanese thing and I think a keo was like wait, who am I? What do you mean? You don't he's like, you know, don't dress like jimmy. Yeah. Yeah dress like Dress like you and he's like and you'll look at the way a keo dresses for these shows You're like, he's still he's yeah, you know, there's a little something there. Yeah Of page so, uh, I think that you know I don't think there's gonna be a part two, but if there were a part two it would be about all right So now he's in jason's band and jason's kind of like all right, man. We're we are not Doing the costumes. We're not an imitation. Yeah, we're not clone So actually I want you to put a little of you into it. Yeah, and I think that's probably a challenge for keo Well, it would have been corny, you know I love when he does mr. Jimmy But if you're out on a real tour And you know, then it's like, uh, what are you doing? Yeah, and jason has played I mean he played with that one and he played he played uh on outrider and he played on that tour And he doesn't dress like his dad. Yeah. Yeah. I mean how how weird would that be? Um, so uh, but Yeah, musically I was like, oh, this is this is fun Just to I mean jason's level of playing is like Yeah wild and that's what I'm together. So you went broke making this soldier car and and all your money Like yeah dating in la without a car is Quite interesting showing up on bicycle but I mean You got it all together and it's it's it's going to be in some theaters. Let's tell people Uh, my I got a bunch of friends that are going to see it in san rafael. Oh cool. Yeah, because I saw mr. Jimmy I needed to see it right away. I heard about it months ago and I hit up the people like look I've got to see this and then I talked about it like a month ago. They're like, don't talk about it. Yeah, I go No, I gotta talk about it now because it's so fresh and so crazy in my mind Um, so it's out. You guys are kind of doing some premiere parties. There's one in la your mr Jimmy's gonna be at san rafael. Where else are you gonna be? So, uh, let's see we're gonna do The band if you want to see a mr. Jimmy show Yeah, uh to the hilt. What is it friday september 9th up at sweetwater great venue up at mill valley That's great. Yeah. Yeah, see the band then on the 10th. It's playing san rafael film center If my memory is right, I think the 11th. We're at berkeley And this is all with jimmy in person. Probably he'll have the harmony sovereign with them doing a couple acoustic bits And then I think the 12th. We're in sabastopol And then uh, september 15th 16th 17th jimmy will be in person man's chinese on hollywood bouvard Yeah, uh, and then we slowly roll it out. So, uh, it's indy everything is super indie movie made by hand distributed by hand So if you're in a town if you're in denver and you're like, I really wanted to come here Please contact your local indy cinema and be like, hey, I heard of this movie. It's really awesome and see if they'll bring the movie Hopefully we're in cinemas for the next couple months and then we'll see after that. Maybe we Netflix do that do that thing. Yeah, but uh for now I mean I made this movie and mixed this movie for people to get in there And you know when we get to the whiskey at go-go and he digs into that how many more times solo for like two solid minutes like I want you Enrapt in the five one And and the screen and just to just be transported. You're not at home. You're not checking out What's happening on tinder or whatever you're fucking immersed in the music And that's a that was my overall approach to the music to the whole movie was We don't need someone On camera saying jimmy page is great. Let me tell you why this music is great. I just want to here's the music You're either you're either in love with this music or you're not I can't change that But just vibe on it. I want to give you the experience of seeing this stuff live feeling the music Um, I'm not talking about it a couple more questions. Then we'll get out of here. Uh, has jimmy seen it Mystery Really a little bit of mystery on it, which is appropriate enough I I yeah, I heard through what one record label person when they were talking about stuff was like, oh, yeah No, trust me is eventually this will get done eventually this will get done. He likes it. I'm like, oh, does he like it? Has he seen it? I'm assuming he did because at some point he robert plant john paul jones in the estate of john bonham signed off on I think it's 29 Led Zeppelin compositions as performed by a keo each song obviously has to be approved by the song writers to be to be used Yep So, yeah, but in terms of uh, has he sent me a uh dm Great job, bro. No, but but that's appropriate. I mean he's he's a rock god He needs to remain shrouded in a little bit of mystery, but I do think I mean The indoor the biggest endorsement the biggest thing I could ever ask for is just that they gave me the permission To use this music of course because I really started off It'd be dead without it I would this would be a movie that I would show to my grandmother every Christmas on the couch And cry into my uh turkey or whatever and be like, I made this movie that no one could ever see I mean, um, that's the greatest Uh endorsement gift sign of support I could ever ask for in the world because I really now I look back like I must have been a little bit crazy to start this whole thing spend years on it and then just Cross my fingers that they would give it the thumbs up. Oh my god, right? No with no music. I recently watched this acdc Uh doc it was um my stupid cover band I think the guy put it together. He has a cover band called back in black and that was the The singer was the one that got asked to audition for acdc when um Brian was out right before actual got it. Yeah And so I'm watching the whole thing and there's just no music so it doesn't get flagged on youtube, you know, and I'm like This is cool, but each time you're like, okay. I want to hear the dude sing You know, it was like, yeah It's like one second Yeah So thank god you got the music because it really uh, it really lets you see how good mr. Jimmy is It's crazy. Hopefully. I mean, I think also like, uh Time and time again working on it and watching it again you know, um It brings you back to the original, you know, hopefully it just leads more people to go back and discover How much I mean it's staggering me how many great tunes the jimmy page can see it recorded like I was just going we were just talking to um The publicist about oh some rolling stone would like a clip and I was like wow and then I'm thinking Yeah, you know what we have there's this beautiful clip of a keo playing brahnyar I love that and I'm like, you know, nobody even that that song is so amazing and beautiful and It's it but if you had to list jimmy page's achievements, it might be a footnote But I'm like that is a masterpiece piece of music midnight moonlight masterpiece of guitar orchestration Um on and on and on so I yeah, I hope people watch the the movie They they dig into the details and a keo's hard work and then they you know pull out a zeppelin record and realize like Really is the classical music of our time. It's gonna be around forever for reason Mr. Jim he's still living in LA Splits his time now. He's in tokyo a lot unless he's touring with jason. He's pretty much in tokyo, but right now He's touring with jason. So he'll studio city is still his hub. Yeah, and um, he's got an apartment here Well, no, he's still with his buddy Warren. Oh, that's cool. I mean, uh, yeah, he's still he's gotta keep it humble Because you gotta keep updating that dragon suit that dragon 30 grand. It is beautiful I'd love to talk to that woman like had she get around the pod. Yeah, but she speak english We're gonna translate her. Yeah, does she uh, has she done outfits before like Yeah, her thing. I think she does all kinds of embroidery might be something that winds up on on your wall Could maybe be a piece of clothing, but um I mean, how did he find her? I I I think uh, mrs. Jimmy. I think founder I know that she was in this town called kiryu that was like embroidery town. This is where the best This is like where the best embroider is in all of japan. They all live weird. We live here. We live in embroidery town and uh You know, mrs. Jimmy had been assembling all those photos kind of to me I love that scene. It's almost like a scene out of a beautiful mind I mean every angle of jimmy page's thing and you're trying to paste it all together and approached her and uh She took it on and she was a hell of a character Genius brilliant and also quite a flirt. I remember she was flirting So like a lot is kind of great, but um, no, I mean that Those are the I mean, uh, and we could go on those those black and white shoes Yeah, page. I saw iconic. He had a cobbler make those from scratch in tokyo Just everything you could you could think of but um, I mean I just love that and it all goes back to that first club Rain song. Wait a minute. It's the blue button down shirt It's the white lemon pants is this and that and then I talked to him about that Oh, did you know that jimmy page changed changed the pants slightly from the first night to the second night? I'm like, oh I mean, uh, jimmy's that obsessed too. Which is which is wild No, I mean, I think jimmy didn't just throw shit on. Yeah, you know, no I mean, I think all that stuff, you know, I you think back to 75 73 75 you're doing shows in 30 Thousand upwards to 70,000 seat arenas without a video screen, right? So you do need to wear something that pops. Yeah. Yeah, and uh, It is true. It's just It's it's part of the mystique of jimmy page and mrs. Jimmy says it like Even if the guitar playing is great, if you don't capture that magical Whatever it is a page. Yeah, it's it's not not the same and I do think that No disrespect to all the other trivia bands out there But really mr. Jimmy is the only one that can even start to approximate that feeling of oh, man Is this what it would have been like to to stumble into the whiskey a go-go in 69 and see the real thing Um, and then his name mr. Jimmy is so cool. Is that cool? Absolutely. Yeah, mr. Jimmy Yeah, I was like, oh, I gotta call the movie this because I can't talk about Well, thanks a lot. Does uh, you got an instagram or anything for the uh, yeah, mist everything is mr. Jimmy movie So on facebook mr. Jimmy movie instagram mr. Jimmy movie twitter mr. Jimmy movie And the website mr. Jimmy movie dot com we're gonna update all the screenings there pretty much every day every week So, uh, if any screenings are added, they'll be added to the website There's a little newsletter sign up Follow us on social media and yeah, please any support Goes a long way because this movie wasn't made by some company or anything else Was just made by crazy me and american express visa mastercard and discover so any Support sharing goes a long way. That'd be great, man And then uh, the mr. Jimmy concert at the sweet water What era they plan 73 73 msg. Oh, man. So yeah peak peak jimmy stuff. God. I might have to go to that I think but seven. Oh, no, that's coming up. I'm I'm at uh, mohoi a comedy store eight nine ten damn But are they playing a gig in LA mr. Jimmy? Well, he's also playing let's see. He's playing with jason at the greek on the 23rd Right, so that's pretty dope and then um as the movie rolls out. I feel like we'll add Uh, I think we'll add another mr. Jimmy show somewhere in the mix. So yeah, yeah All right. Well, thank you so much for doing the show Thank you, you know, we really appreciate any support and coverage because it's a it's a really little independent movie So I love talking to you because I just thought that you know somebody to make this film I know what kind of passion and grind that takes so Eight years of this point. It's got eight years. Wow Wow. All right. Thanks for tuning in everybody to another episode of let there be talk and uh, don't forget to subscribe to the youtube channel And uh, leave a review on itunes my friends. It really helps believe it or not And candles are lit