 Alright, thanks for staying with us. Now, a fraud-free and credible election is a necessary ingredient to the growth of democracy. However, election fraud has become a major challenge in Nigerian political system. Till date, reports show that election in Nigeria have been mad with vote-buying, falsification of results, underage voting, the use of security forces to intimidate voters, the use of thugs to intimidate voters, amongst others. Now, with the current reality of the just concluded presidential elections of 2023 and the results declaration underway, we are discussing the anomalies and the way forward, right? Please, let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to do it, 1-803-84663. You can also tweet at us at WeishuAfka1, with the hashtag Weishu. Alright, so I'm going to bring in Kunle in a minute, but I just wanted to hear your thoughts. Diola, you voted in Surileire. Chinelo, you voted in Oniru. I voted in Amagudo. Let's just hear your general thoughts on this conversation. And Noma was an international observer, so it would be nice to hear everybody's thoughts on this. Quickly, come to you, Diola. What were your observations, you know, with these elections that we just had on the 25th of February? Okay, so because I voted in a very small community, my estate, it was largely very tasteful. There was, well, I mean, there was a very low turnout in proportion to the number of registered voters, you know, 700, 700 plus to 163. And it was also, I mean, in terms of demographic, it was also the very young people. Yeah, mostly, like about 80% of them were very young people. And for a closely-meaning community, I figured out that security should not have been a problem or should not have been an excuse as to why people would not come out to vote. But unfortunately, I mean, they really didn't come out to vote. In terms of the time that we started, at about 8, 8.39, they had not started. They were still trying to put a couple of things together. But they did start at about 10, and it was quite peaceful. The process was quite very transparent because everybody got involved there. Everybody was really interested from the beginning to when they sorted out the electoral materials to the point where they had to upload. And everything, everybody was sitting down there with them and was very interested in how they were going about the process. So I can say that to a very large extent, my polling unit was very peaceful. Someone tried to form a trouble, though, but people were quick to say that, listen, I mean, we're just here to vote. But I want to ask you, at the end of the process, was your result uploaded to the INEC server? Oh, yes, it was. Because I know that initially, you know, they had said that they wanted to leave and that they had issues with data or something. And somebody right there said that, okay, if data was your problem, we're going to sort you with data right here right now. And that the driver that was supposed to come and pick them, they were not going to allow them into the estate gate. So they told the guy to stay outside the estate gate, they locked the gate, and they made sure that those guys actually did everything. And even before they started counting the ballot papers that were not used, they insisted that they should cancel out every day right there so that there is no question of, okay, you still have these ballot papers and then you're trying to be funny with it. So we had to do all of that first. And then they started counting and then they uploaded. Okay, great. Let me come to you, Chinelo, your polling unit, you know, in quickly quick summary. Okay, so I mean, for us, it was relatively peaceful. It was organized as well. Everybody took turns to vote. Although our officers got there a bit two hours late actually, but then it was very, of course, they extended our voting time by two hours as well. At the end of it all, they counted and then they uploaded. So we didn't have any issues with any of that, apart from a few party agents cussing some ruckus here and there. But then apart from that, every other thing went on. Well, although I had expected, and I was going to ask this question, the Beaver's Machine, is it just for accreditation? Was it not also supposed to record the votes? I thought, okay, so what each person votes, the numbers will climb on the Beaver's Machine? I doubt that. It was just supposed to accredit and upload the results. Yeah. Mama, do you have your two cents on this before I come to? Oh, yes. Well, from the expert, and I did see quite a lot of videos on some to be false, some to do, but there was a lot of confusion. There are a lot of videos that were showing my vote, really show what to do. So a lot of it spread some form of fear. Some people were, you know, it was a little bit concerning, because you know, when situations like this happen, it is based on the information that is shared to the media that people begin to, emotions run wild, you know, people begin to panic. And I saw quite a bit of panic on some ends, while some ends, the messages that were received seem to be quite peaceful generally, but the major concern was the amount of information that was flying across the media platforms to incite fear and confusion. Absolutely. Let me bring in Kunle Lawal. He's an entrepreneur, an idea generator, TEDx speaker, and a patriot. He has a keen eye for opportunities based on his experience in the politics or in politics, working with non-governmental organization under the federal government. He's a passionate Nigerian, and of course, he's also detribalized. He considers his boundaries to be limitless and is really focused on changing the Nigerian narrative in the political, rather in political participation. And Kunle has joined us live also via Zoom. Thank you so much, Kunle Lawal, for joining us. Thank you very much. Good evening. So I'd like to first of all just give a quick summary, right? My polling unit, we had voted, we had counted, and everything was done. Okay, upload our results, and the next thing they go is the server is not working, or rather there's no network, and it was the same narrative. It was the same story across most of the polling unit reports that we got. So eventually, at about 10.30 or 10.13, or we checked at 10.30 that night, the INEC website to check the uploaded results based on our polling unit, only for me to discover that they had uploaded the House of Representative results sheet, and it was not even clear, it was blurred. They had uploaded that in the place of the presidential results, right? This is a verifiable conversation. It's not a, you know, if you go there now, check, click on my polling unit, my ward in Koshuafee Local Government. It was, it still, even up until this morning, I still confirm they had not rectified it. Now, what was the essence of beavers in this election? Because to my mind, beavers were supposed to be the integrity check. Beavers were supposed to be the machine that whatever happens, right, I'm not about any political party here. I'm about integrity of the process that the will of the people would stand. So what was the essence, first of all, of the beavers, and did it achieve its purpose based on your, what's it called, observation? Okay, so thank you very much. So first and foremost, we first had to first understand how the whole system works. I would say a lot of Nigerians were surprised at systems and how they failed and how things went bad. And that was because I think adequate political education was not paid attention to by Nigerians. So I'll start. Your credit, which is what's supposed to happen. You vote after voting, voting, votes accounted after they accounted. Now, this is critical. The result sheets, which had what the parties called needs to be signed and stamped and shown to the voters. I want to ask, in your polling unit, was this shown to stamped and signed? You get a picture of it? We all took pictures of the signed, what's it called? Result sheets. We all took the pictures. It's okay. I'm just following the process. Politics is not emotional. Let's keep it. So it's signed and stamped. You have that. You should be able to send or communicate that to INEC directly. If that is not what is on the IRF portal. So if what is on the portal is different and blurry, you should send, communicate your polling unit, communicate your location, your world, algae, and state and send that to INEC. You may have responses, them channels has one, a lot of video houses have one. You could just reach out to these situation rooms and present this information. This information will be used and it will be collected and it will be corrected. Trust me on that. So we need to trust that process. So the way INEC built it, this is supposed to happen after it's signed, stamped, and then it is sent. Now it needs to be sent immediately, not in the night, not the day after, not because we've had excuses across Nigeria. Well, we're part of situation rooms. I think about five or six across Nigeria. We've had of ad hoc staff who said it felt like they needed to go and take a shower before they uploaded on the beavers. Some said they needed to watch if they were thinking of the next day's football match and they forgot. A lot of things happened and for me I call it the Nigerian factor. So these colorations are anomalies which we've named this particular conversation over, accord a lot. And you need to first critically understand that as much as INEC is INEC, we need to understand that INEC first recruits ad hoc staff who are barely trained in two months to go and manage an election that is across 923,000 square kilometers of country in Nigeria. It's very critical that also the security agents are not enough. We have 176,600 polling units and the security agents deployed are approximately 400,000. If you put that and you juxtapose that, that to make it about 2.5 security agents per polling unit. Now, what's most shocking is that Nigeria has 93.4 million voters. Imagine all the voters in Nigeria came out with 400,000 to be able to secure the exact situation. So there are take-homes from what has happened and we've criticized the whole system. So I think there are take-homes from this which could be used. I think take-homes are Nigeria right now is not strong enough or large enough to conduct a one-day election. I'm one of the proponents and I'll be pushing it forward. I am writing a memo to INEC and I still would be pushing forward my recommendation that Nigeria national elections become staggered about six states per day. When we go like that and the results come out, it will be manageable because you see what happened. And I know a lot of people are concerned with the anomalies they're seeing. Let's go back and take the Oslo case which is where, of course, INEC, the defendant who is now the governor, called us INEC, which is guaranteed by the Electra Act 2032, recalled the B-Bus accreditation numbers. And INEC is forced by law to provide that. And once that is provided, some votes that were calculated over voting that was noticed can be brought down by a lot of parameters. I heard somebody say something about B-Bus recording votes. I would say I just recall the result sheet. So this result sheet, you get to the correct quarters. As long as it was stamped and signed and multiple people report that, you get a result on your polling unit. So B-Bus were meant to upload results at polling units. And I can tell you for free that majority of those polling units never got the chance for their result sheet to be uploaded at the polling unit. Some of them, it was with a lot of work. Now, the particular polling unit I stayed back till 10.30 a.m. once we had told them that if you do not upload this thing, you are not leaving. We didn't finish voting until about 4 a.m. We started counting the votes. We finished at around 5 a.m. To even fill the result sheet, they would say, oh, they are looking for a particular code. At some polling unit, the guy was claiming, I don't even know how to fill the sheet. When you then eventually fill the sheet to take the picture and upload it into the IRF server, they did not do that. And this thing went across. So how do we even test the integrity of this election that was just concluded? How do we test it? How do we trust the process? Because some people have argued that we have to wait. Let them announce the result that we go to the tribunal. But when you are even seeing it glaring that from the go, whatever it is that you are announcing, doesn't seem to correlate with the numbers and the figures that we have recorded on our own. How do we fold our arms and watch this continue? Credible elections in a country anywhere in the world are guaranteed not by the electoral commission, but guaranteed by the electorate. That's the honest free. So as much as INEC is trying to push forward a good election, it's only rights that the owners is on the citizens, like you guys did, that this must be uploaded by the ad hoc staff at the polling unit, immediately you insisted that's the right thing to do. And there's a good thing with Viva as long as the information was imputed, once it accesses network to send that information directly to INEC servers. So as long as the information which was on it was done properly and you were there, trust me the moment it has access to internet to transmit it to that INEC that is that is in place. So I don't represent INEC. You need to understand this. And then of course they have a PR to do this to manage this. I think his name is first or second way. He can manage this. But what I'm trying to do is what I understand from one side of the fence. And you know, understand to appease what you are trying to do with us as a very unhappy person who voted and I'm trying to balance the status quo. So I know what's being done on this side and I know what's being done on the other side. And we're trying to put a full coverage. You don't need to wait for a tribunal. You don't need to wait for the end of an election cycle. Send your results as signed and stamped right now. You should have done that actually as yesterday. Thank you. Okay. Let me come to the ladies. Okay. You said credible election is actually up to the electorate, not the electoral commission. So I'd like to ask what happened in the in the sense of overvoting and under age voting? Is that also the fault of the electorate and not the electoral commission? If you're asking me, you know, I need to remind you guys I am not I need to obviously So this angle, you guys need to chill. So where were we? So on the age voting, yes, the registrations of under age voting, do they have those cards? Yes, they do. In the case it's where they have the cards to be very, very hard to detect because you can't separate the name or an age. The age will be falsified for the person to have it. So it might not be able to tell. But in the case of overvoting, I will call again into question the or state elections, where in case, Viva records all accredited voters. Now, I will tell you about the electoral act 2010. And I'll tell you the improvement in the electoral act 2020. So in the electoral act 2010, if a PU that's a polling unit had exactly 1000 people, INEC was only concerned with the voting, not exceeding those 1000 whether 20 were accredited or not. Now in 2020 electoral act, as long as the number accredited was let's say 850 of a polling unit that has let's say 1500 INEC is only concerned with the 850. And if there is a situation of overvoting, that would be dealt with. And that was what happened in a portion that led to the upturn of the Adelaide case situation. So as much as we do not do, I don't think anybody in the world supports under age voting or anybody supports anything wrong. I will say the situations I would always call them and context them and package them under the Nigerian factor or the amazing predictability of electoral ingenuity by politicians. Now the most planting society in the school has been doing their own things for unfair elections, right? And citizens being able to have their votes count. So in this case of INEC, who had promised Nigerians that everything was ready to be able to hold elections. So having more mad power now, it's obvious that this is an anomaly. So you can place Nigerians and everything is ready. That means inclusive of the mad power that is required to carry out elections successfully across Nigeria should have been put in place. But from the results that were seen and certain cases that happened in French areas in the country, it was obvious that they were cases for no mad power. So how can this be rectified for subsequent elections? Thank you very much, Noma. And I said this earlier, I don't know whether you caught it. And my position was kind of simple. I don't believe that Nigeria and like I said, I'm writing a recommendation to INEC. I don't believe Nigeria can conduct an election across 932,000 square meters and across 93.4 million people. What I think we should do is have staggered elections, pick six days, six states a day, and then just flow across the parameters. Release the results immediately. We'll be able to reduce and focus our security forces, which are less than 500,000 put together. We'll be to focus our security forces on exactly just six states and actually combating and ensuring electoral security and ensuring that these things are done properly. I think the fact that we try to promote or we try to handle 36 states in one day is cumbersome. I would say even the American elections are staggered and so is with most countries. Now, you would not compare yourself to the UK, which runs a parliamentary system and votes within a political party. And even when it's going to vote a consensus, the population of the UK is not up to Katna State alone. And that therein lies the problem. So I think that INEC needs to revisit its system. It needs to understand its exact threats and then it needs to do a perfect sort of analysis on these present elections and taking public science recommendations that have been put forward by others in space to ensure that these elections are free and fair. Now, this is not to punch the electorate at all, but we also need to be very, very clear on the kind of understanding the electoral act as citizens. And we also need to be very well politically literate in understanding the exact things that need to be done as a citizen so that if everybody is armed with the law and understand what cannot be done and what can be done, situations like where the ad hoc staff said they were going to upload the thing the next day, people would have stood like they stood at OAS polling unit and say, if we are not uploading here, you're not leaving here, but we have these situations across the country. And it's all because a few people did not know. So it's INEC's mandate. INEC's mandate is one thing, but I still say the people too need to understand the mandate and push INEC for such credible things. And I also remember that INEC is an entity that can be sued or can sue. So I do not see why citizens have not taken it into their arms and said, you know what, this is totally not what we expected. Or yeah, these elections went the way the numbers or the positions are the way they are, but some numbers have been altered along the way and say, INEC, we hold you to account on this and you should defend with reasonable cause why such things are that way, that power lies in citizens being honest. And I know that right now, before women are with here, they want to have me for breakfast with the way I'm looking at OAS eyes are cool, but I keep reminding you I do not represent INEC and I'm trying to form a bridge between what the law is and how it is impartially. Okay, trust me, I want to do more than have you for breakfast. Because I don't know, for some strange reason, a lot of people truly believed in this system, and that's why everybody came out, you know, with their PVCs and all of that. But so it's just, you know, I can't explain how I feel. But let's take a break, right? When we come back from the break, we'll continue the conversation. I think Diola has a question. Stay with us and we'll be right back. All right, thanks for staying with us. Now if you just tuned in, we're discussing the 2023 elections, the anomalies and the way forward and we have with us Kulela. Wow. I remember you can join this conversation send us an SMS or WhatsApp to read 1-803-4663. You can also tweet at us at Weissho after one, or the hashtag Weissho. Diola, you had a question, right? Okay, so something happened at my polling unit. I'm not sure as to the authenticity of it, but I remember that, I mean, you know, when the queue was so much, when people came and all that, there was a lot of agitation around the fact that we needed to be done by 2.30. And I was wondering, I mean, what happened at 2.30? And, you know, there were some talks from the agents that, oh, the beavers or whatever, or they don't know if the thing was going to shut down. So whatever they don't do by 2.30, it won't count. So now, I mean, in retrospect, this happened at my polling unit, you know, so everybody was quite proactive in trying to ensure that, you know, we also helped the agents to make that time, because of course, nobody wanted to be disenfranchised. So I'm imagining that if this was maybe the position of INEC, maybe this was an instruction given to the agents, would this have been replicated in other polling units? And how much of this would have actually disenfranchised people from actually participating in the vote, considering that a lot of them, a lot of the INEC officials even got to their polling unit very late. So does it mean that all the polling units where they even took the voting, I mean, till 10 p.m., like OASED or 3 p.m. or 5 p.m., they just won't tell the electorate. It just means that that kind of vote is just, you know, is declared void. I mean, that was very confusing for me. So I don't know if Puli Lawal can shed some light on that. Well, what I'm about to say, Yuku, I'm a little bit more, but I have to say because it's the law and it's what's tenable in Nigeria. INEC and ESOs in Nigeria spent over one year telling people how the process was. If you didn't choose to look at it, I don't think we can blame anybody for that except the electorate, but I'm going to repeat the process for you, Clem. So voting starts, INEC registration and everything starts at about eight o'clock. And this is supposed to continue. Now, what happens at 2.30 is that nobody is not on the queue. If you are on the queue 30, you are accepted, meaning you have till 2.30 to find your way to your polling unit. But if you are not on the queue by 2.30, according to the laws and the directive set by INEC, you will not be allowed to join queue and vote. You need to be on the queue before 2.30. This does not mean the progress is not working. This is because we have an election we plan to complete in a day. This is also because we know Nigerians will choose to come 7 o'clock if we let them. I'm not INEC, but generally if we let Nigerians know what I think people are doing. So there's a 2.30 turn for when you must reach your polling unit. And this is not, and this information was critically shared. It was massively spent money on. But you know, kind of people are more interested in whether you let your chair decide she cannot. And that's what's more important in Nigeria. And for me, I think I'm not going to be nice with electorate. This particular process, right? See, maybe Nigerians in the past were not interested in politics. For the first time, I must say that I am super proud of every Nigerian because a lot of Nigerians, they knew the laws, they knew the process. And let me tell you for free, when these people started acting up at the polling unit where my sister eventually voted, guess what? The woman came up at 12 midnight saying that ideally she's not supposed to be doing this thing because, you know, the time is way past. I said it's a lie madam. We know the law. The law says that you should be here before 2.30. A lot of these people came at 8am. You deliberately dragged the process until it got to 3.30am before some people could cast their vote, right? And the law says you do not leave until the last person casts their vote. So you are the one that is putting the delays and you are the one that would reap the consequences of the delay, right? So I beg your pardon. Not everybody was interested in you, doche and his sidekick. No. We were interested in these politics and for, as far as I'm concerned, INEC failed us. That's a totally separate situation. You have left what we were talking about which was 2.30 and jumped into another separate situation which was the adult staff coming late. That's a separate situation which of course will mean another thing. So if the INEC staff was not there, it is up to you to alert INEC's contacts and let them know. And INEC will not stop you. Wait, please. Oh, I let you finish. So INEC will not stop you and it is clearly within your rights as a Nigerian, as a citizen to ensure that you vote. So INEC, if they come late in those situations and in some situations which occurred that went until night and I have case studies of bios and multiple, you need to remember that we were taking monitoring positions from across Nigeria. I need what went on. I'm not talking of one spot. I'm not talking of one flash. Let's move on. Let's move on. I want to ask a question. Hold on. For polling units where they did not even vote at all because the voting materials did not get to them, right? Is it right for the INEC chairman to be announcing results for polling units where clearly some people were disenfranchised and they did not vote at all? I need to make clear the process again. If the resident electrical commissioner of that state declares results there, in a case where people have reported, remember that you must report this, that will be corrected because the INEC chairman is responding to the results that he has been handed over to by direct, not that he's responding to the fact he knows there was no election in that place and then decided to read an election. So you need to understand these things and the truth is I'm not, like I said, I'm not INEC and I'm not defending INEC, but I understand the process in which all this works around and I'm just trying to lay it out clear so that everything is open. So you're not saying it's this person or it's that person. I'm making it clear. That means the state wreck of that particular state is culpable. The truth is that Nigerians will scream restructuring so much and we'll never ever pay attention to the levels of processing where we just stop with the end, which is the product. INEC chairmans, not at him. No, that's not how it is. There are people who have made mistakes along the line, probably a word rack or a state wreck who must have allowed these things happen. You can't, yes, the INEC chairman would read it based on his job as arbiter to collect such results from the state wreck and read them. But that does not mean that INEC will not go into total review of all these things and all these matters eventually. They're just doing what they need to do right now as required by law. And I'm not INEC word that you're throwing bombs at this thing. No, I'm not throwing bombs at you, Kunle. We are having a conversation, right? I am just trying to express my frustration because as far as I'm concerned, right, this was a process that was supposed to be transparent. This was a process that everybody actually believed that their PVC could speak for them. And the thing, the point is, if INEC was, I've had a little bit of integrity in the process and uploaded the results at polling units just as it promised from day one. And we saw the results. Everybody would take the results. Based on the, at least we have seen that, okay, our results that we counted, our results that we saw, the shit everything was uploaded right. But how can you tell me the same story across board? Oh, the network is not going. The network is not going. And somebody is still trying to tell me that we should be quiet and watch them announce those kinds of falsified results. That is why a senator would walk out of the INEC Collation Center in Abuja. So what is the way forward? I need to, I need to first make this clear. There's other staff employed by INEC. Some of them might have been culpable or a lot of them might have been culpable. The situations in which results were not recorded or the anomalies in, in which situations happened. Flash spots are Lagos, Rivers, Bayelsa, parts of, in little few parts of Abuja, Kebi, Kebi was way behind, had to start almost again because of the problems. I'm clear with this information. But if you count other states, like Platoon, when smoothly, and a lot of other states, it begs to answer one critical question. And I'm being very dicey with this. It begs to answer the places that became flashpoints, which elections. It is clear beyond reasonable doubt that some things were altered according to, to some people's preferences. And that is what happened. It is what's in INEC's intention. It was the, the various activities of a few set of politicians. Now I'm restricted to what I can say and what I cannot say till some things are verified. But I'm being very clear from what we have seen, from what we picked up from situation rules. Some things happened because some people in control of some particular places. And this is not INEC. This is INEC's ad hoc staff. I need to make that very fair. And those were the problems which eventually encountered. Did INEC envision this? Yes, they should have. If they didn't, then I think the chairman is capable enough not to have wanted to deliver a very clear election because he must have tried to see this out. Yes, you can't see everything in this kind of situation. But INEC should have a response that gives Nigerians the basis to understand that these elections were credible and fair. Let me keep quiet for now. Do you want to come in? So Kune, what would you in your, in your experience opinion, what are some of the recommendations that you can give moving forward if we are to experience an even more credible election process? What are the two areas or key points that you need to push out to the authorities or whoever needs to listen? What are the things that we need to pay attention to if we are to have credible or to even reduce to the barest minimum these anomalies have you experienced so far? Norma, thank you very much. And Norma, I stated one earlier, one Nigerian needs to stagger its elections, whether it's six days per day and they run it across six days or seven days with the FCT and that would be fine. We should have our elections. I had mentioned this earlier because it's proved from 1999 to now that it's totally impossible for us to handle the power of Nigeria and it's not a bad thing. The US does something like that because the US is quite large. And you know, if you look at also Chinese elections, it's not, it's not, how do I put it? It's not a click and get the winner. It's not a jackpot or a casino. So we need to be able to stagger elections because we aren't there yet. Second thing is I think INEC and a few other things have been very lax on candidates and political parties. On such infringements, everybody seems to understand that things can be done. I'll give you an example. We saw videos and things going on that were verified. But people saying if you do not vote in a certain party, nobody should vote in that polling unit. The thing is that what we've done in Nigeria is blame the problem and not attack the problem from the roots. And for me, I think any party should be penalized by 10,000 votes if that ever happens in any polling unit. So we need to also review our electoral laws and get people punished for doing the wrong thing properly. And it's not good enough for us to say who are arrested and punished by infringement according to the electoral law. The people that committed these crimes. One of the people who control the people to punish to commit these crimes. They are the admin accessories and they are guilty of the truth. So they're going to be left alone. Guys just caught are just going to be dealt with. And I'm strongly of the opinion for every one person you catch stealing a ballot or breaking the electoral laws, the political party should pay with a minus of 1000 votes immediately per person. I think when that happens, we're going to really get serious and nobody is going to try to overturn something which is the civic right and responsibility of every Nigerian. I like your suggestions only. And I wanted to ask you now, right? For the way forward now with this election that has held, because we cannot wait for another election cycle to do this target elections for this one that has held, right? Because again, it's not like these people don't see videos, right? They see the videos, they see the proofs, but they come up to tell you that it's doctored. Now a lot of Nigerians took snapshots of their result sheets. But you know how we are in a country where they will tell you that, oh, that result sheet that you snapped that is falsified, it is only the one that comes from the agent. Now we've been seeing so many videos flying around of multiple of Tom printing by one INEC agent, the ad hoc staffs and all of that. But nothing has been said by the INEC chairman. Nothing has been done, right? So what is the way forward for these particular elections that we just concluded? What do we do with all of these things that has happened? You said one thing before that we should petition the INEC, right? We should petition them. We should start writing the petition against them. What else can we do as citizens? I think a lot of Syriza's have taken, which I'm aware, have taken a full hand on this and they want to put together a database of all these polling unit discrepancies and put them together and then face INEC with one direct square of law. I know this is being done and I'm also aware, I cannot reveal that much, but I'm also aware of a lot of work being done to ensure that this process is credible by people which include of course even the electoral college which I stand. But like I said, I cannot divulge too much information while speaking, but this is not because I can't discuss in the process to protect what is coming. And I must clearly state this, that the woman that was in Nassarawa, I believe she has been arrested and a lot of things where there's an attempt to correct quite a lot of misnomers that happened there with her checking and whatever she was doing. I think where the problem lies is that INEC wants us to report directly to them with timestamps when these things happen, add it to the unit and etc. And I think we need to be able to do this as citizens. Okay, so my question is actually very simple. You see that process of us having to show the ballot and then start counting APC one, APC two. I think that process is actually very mind-boggling and time-wasting. So how can we improve the process of counting? By voting electronically, I can answer you. No Ma, I would answer this very simply. I've always been a proponent of E-Election in my time within a political party. I believe with the conjunction and help of my office, the first in Trappati E-Election and only Trappati E-Election ratified that I am accustomed by myself and the party. So I've always been a proponent of E-Elections. I know that a lot of politicians are scared they will not emerge or win. I'm also a proponent for the fact that E-Elections can help curb security issues that we have. Most people have said, ah, it could be hacked. But you know, I keep laughing. We trust our money with banks and we cannot and in the U.S.S. decode whether we can trust our savings or one vote, you can then trust it with me. But you know, you know our politicians will never agree to E-Voting now. How else will they tell you that they have 10 billion voters in certain parts of the country? Let's take comments because we ran out of time. Okay. So this one is from Austin. Austin from Delta. And Austin says, I totally disagree with your guests. Annek failed woefully because beavers are supposed to be an integrity test, not uploading the results real-time for suspicion and lack of transparency. Why was it possible to upload that of reps as who are stated and that of presidential worsens? Why should your guests place the burden on citizens to upload whereas there is a body responsible for that, having assured Nigerians that they were ready? It's a shame. It's a shame, I think he means. While I am not overlooking the issue of fluctuating network at times, why was electronic transmission system not upscaled before the election without the money's pumping? Let me tell you the truth. Confidence is eroded, giving room to conspiracy theory. Apart from beavers, how do they explain later rival appalling units and lack of sufficient ink? If they know they were not ready, why did they amount to this? Thank you. Thank you, Austin. No more quickly. All right. So this is from Daniel Elo and he says, Good evening, my dear beautiful sisters of all, are you saying hashtag ways? 2022 elections, anomalies and the way forward. My main experience on election day was that accreditation that was supposed to start at 8 a.m. did not start till almost 11 a.m. and voting commenced immediately. Secondly, the figures concerning the election results that I have been seeing is highly unacceptable. I see not a rat and suspect would buy and falsification of these votes. No shadow of doubt about that. Other agency and presidential candidates to react to defeat in Lagos States. I really don't understand what they mean. Well, candidates win in Lagos States and is it due on my effect? He's asking a question. So three bozars to my dear beautiful sister Chinnello for hosting the show for over one week. She did a marvelous and amazing job. Thank you, Daniel. Thank you, Daniel Elo. Thank you so much. Bakun Le, thank you so much for being our guest today. I'm sorry, this is not an account of you. I enjoyed my time on the cross, but I'm going to close and say this. You see, before you accuse a sister, you need to understand it. And you know, when I listen to your guests, your comments, I keep remembering how politically illiterate Nigeria is. And it's no offense. You feel that because I didn't make a statement and say this guy's a thief, so I stole his boots. That's what you want to hear. It won't happen. And I'll tell you why, because I know what exactly is going on. I'm not going to say that on TV. So anyway, it was a great show. I enjoyed it and I enjoyed my time here. Thank you. Thank you so much. We're going to bring you again and we're going to do the basketball again. Next time, I'm coming with God's blessing. And you have to be live in the studio so that I can give you a feast. But thank you so much, Kulela. You're always an amazing guest. Thank you, Chinelo. Thank you, Noma. And thank you, Diola. 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