 ya mwadi utikimo wa handoff. Irewa m jedes Saint Levi kua kwa wajan, yawa mwadi hioni dupia kwa mwadi rikutia. Kwile, na jisha wiha hula m الج backlash, meziha Ajolia kata, mazo shko wajani kuwa kwa kae mwadi oma. Nisha, kwa la mi talo kwa kwa mwadi renta kwa wajan. Yubimian kwa mwadi kwa mwadi kwa kwa kwa wajan. Yad ni tukha na kihlia kwa kwa mwadi kaptiki ahu. Mwajani kwa COVID-19 wa kufu w�an mwajati wehwani, wajati ni mwajati mauna kamaamaakata na kwa mwazi tu mwazili kawa. Na kwa wajati nili kware hako mwaji. We na wajati menufu hako, wajati na wa wajati mnani kwa hili, kwa kusika wajati wajati kwa wajati. Nenuwe yu Kenini kwa wajati wajati kwa uniku, yu kutu nene, kwa wajati lakit nene, tanuwe yu kutu nuakit nene, na kutu kelisha. Na kikini wajati twatu, aunta waj evaluate ksu na былоofatu iste komu sakiria wilda kwaана Но wajata rwaj salwar kanursha peascom p體ise p view kurulta zrobi na n sport n obikutia ​​Wajasa wa haol via maubæ 2-5-4 channel on Facebook and Instagram at 2-5-4 channel on Twitter. Good morning and welcome. How are you? Fine. Happy Mada Raka Day. Happy Mada Raka Day too. What are you celebrating this Mada Raka Day? Thank you God because of life though not that easy. First of all I want to greet my viewers and tell them happy Mada Raka Day. Although it has come at a different way, not as usual. And all this has been caused by COVID-19. Also I want to greet my wife who is Faith Magdalene wherever she is. She is very intercessor, she is power of intercessor and praying for us. So I want to also greet the viewers the whole Kenya and maybe to tell them things will be okay. However tough it might be but things will be okay very soon. I know people are praying and also praying for our country. And also people are praying for the whole world. Personally as Pastor Mangeta I know very soon things will come to normal. So that has no any worry. Whatever has the beginning has the end. COVID-19 is just a name but Jesus is above all names. And I'm sure it has been a pronoun that is very very crucial and it has also denied our rights. Special people are affected. And I'm sure when the church is affected, the church is backbone for everything. Because we cannot do physical but we normally do it spiritually. So the church is seriously affected and I'm praying about that wherever there may be viewing for me, any kind of prayer that is made, let believers not lose hope. Things will be just okay very soon. Me I believe that. I love the faith in that. Now COVID-19 has had an impact to most of the families and most of the persons. And since it is affecting human, it is affecting our way of life, our sense of belonging. There have been cases of gender-based violence because people are back home. You don't have money. This is your family. They need to eat. They need to be sheltered. People have difficulties in paying their rents. At such a particular time now, how can now one find their sense of belonging in the little things they can do? And then how can we now embrace each other even during this pandemic? Hila, thank you for also expressing that. One thing that I know government, they have their own role that they are doing for the families and also the communities. And also you have some organization also they are doing it, which is very important. And personally on my views, what I can say, they also have allowed the church to participate in this fully because government they will do it. But the church also must need their members in a different way and also candle them. People are really mentally disturbed. People are frustrated. If you lack job and if you lack money, you lack everything, rent is frustrating you, what will be next? We have been hearing about cases. People are frustrated. Wife and husband are quarreling. They are fighting. Gender violence has really gone high. And definitely if you lack money and you lack food and you lack everything that you need, those are the best necessaries. If you lack them, definitely what will be next? There will be no peace. The church has lacked something to do in this community during this COVID-19. Pasta is silent in their houses and the church members are also silent wherever they are. Communication, they can talk that maybe we can talk through internet, we can talk through phone. Do you know that we have some church members even they don't have internet, they don't have smartphones. We have some also church members who cannot even access phones. Infact even some they have their phones and they cannot even have great even to call their pastors. And even pastor has even great to call their church members. So what I could maybe suggest personally to the government if they can the very obedient people in this world. I think it's the church. The church is the most obedient people and they follow instructions according to Romans chapter 13 verse 1. The Bible says obey the law because it is ordained by the Lord. Any authority given and any power given according to the Bible, we obey it. We submit under it because it is godly. But now what the government has done, they have isolated the church. They have put pastors aside. I think I remember very well the time COVID-19 was starting. There are nothing to be mentioned like pastor. Nothing was mentioned like a church. They didn't want to hear about pastors. But now right now where things are going and where things are heading to, the government will come back to the church. And I'm assuring you if the things will continue the way they are continuing. You will hear president himself or you will hear whoever is in the leadership. Aging the pastors to pray for the nation. Because they started and they isolated the church. And the time is coming that they need pastors to intervene. The pastor is the key person who can meet the last person in the community. Pastor knows their names and remember Hillary, every community has a pastor. And the pastor has congregants. And now where the MCAs, where the MPs, where the governors cannot even do, they cannot even reach them. And we as pastors, me as pastors, I know my church members, I know their weaknesses. There is someone that within my church, even if cannot be maintained by spiritual food, will suffer. So the government has lacked several things. Government has lacked employment. And the government is lacking now the proper structure plans to feed the government, to feed the whole country. Where by 100% sure this food they are distributing, some food will not even reach to them, on the ground to the people. But pastor, the question of gender-based violence is basically on the people themselves, on how they feel, their emotions, their feelings, they are not able to meet this and that. Now maybe you could tell me how will the church help these particular persons. I don't know, maybe you are no longer doing the pastor in the community. How would the church help these particular persons who are suffering from gender-based violence at such a particular time? Now Hilary, you are asking a very good question. First of all before reaching to this person, you can't just say that how will you help the first thing you have to reach them. And remember just some past days, cases on media, 15 people are gathering and the government arrested. You see, even two people, I had about three elders just in the church, three. And the government came under, arrested. And I had also about a pastor who was in the house, I think was just a home fellowship. Also they were arrested. So it has become so hard even pastor reaching their church members and candling them. Even if you meet a few however you might be, you find challenges will arise still. And that's why you have come with a very good question and I can just maybe add the government with all the authority that they have. They have also to measure and see the church has also something role to play in the community. And this gender-based violence, what I'll talk about is only one thing, people are frustrated. And if someone is frustrated, is frustrated for mentally. We need also to candle these people, we need to pray for them. I can give you hope and that hope can sustain even for a few days or some years to come. And this is the area for pastor. This is not the area for MP, this is not the area for parliament. And I thank God from Taikagu has been announcing all the time and he has been doing a very good job in this real country. COVID-19 is a disaster, not in Kenya alone. COVID-19 has been really hitting the whole nations and even those superpower nations. What I can just say that pastors however they are, however tough it might be, also they make effort reaching the members in different communities. And also church has been really doing a good work in the community. If pastor can even have something to give out because it's not that we are supposed to give out only spiritual food. If pastor you are in a position and you can also visit the family and you can manage to provide something. Pastor has been doing it and I'm happy about it. But that kind of limitation is what I'm adding to the government and I'm sure they are getting whatever they are in a clear way. Let them do something. I have met several pastors, I have met Bishop Manfu, I have met Pastor Mudagri, I have met Bishop Masinde, I have met Bishop Pundeda. I have met several bishops wherever they are and they have been talking about it. Others I told them I'm coming to the studio. They are crying what should be there but at least if they can get just opportunity. I met Pazavinka from Kisumu and they are calling me. So I have come with the work of the government. Right now there is freedom of worship. Can they come out with a strategy and also a better plan to make a pastor how they can reach their church members but in a very disciplined way. Because we have to sanitize ourselves. We are here with you in the studio. Can we measure the meters that we are right now? That's very good. They have not even tried a pastor if we can measure the distance that's one meter and a half which is very important. But if gender violence is not going to be mentioned the church pastors are not going to work on it several times and pray over it and cancel our church members, the government of Kenya will face it in a tough way. Pastor you have mentioned about frustrations and I'm seeing this particular man in this house or this particular woman. They have kids in the house. These persons have frustrated, they have lost their jobs. The mental health is not okay. How is the church going to help these particular persons now coming out because we have counselors and when the counselors come in they will have to pay. But as a pastor I'm part of your congregation. How are you helping these particular persons maybe even on phone or maybe if you happen just to meet them like you have mentioned how are you helping someone to come out of the frustrations and disappointments of this particular period of time. So now we need also to put things in order Mr. Hillary. Why am I saying so? Do you know the government has completely forgotten about that pastors also they are living creatures in this nation. They are not concerned with the pastors. You can mention teachers, you can mention doctors, you can mention other people but when they reach pastors pastors will forgotten. It's like pastors are not living creatures and the pastors are really playing a very big role in this nation. Pasta is disturbed, frustrated mentally and also physical and everything. Pasta is in a better position to do it. Now here we are meeting a pastor who has not been mentioned even with the government and they are not even even the chief within the area even the head man within the community it's not considering pastor and you have seen so much time pastor is arrested together with the church members and in the same scene so now you wonder even if you go to give an offer to your church member you are put in one cup or in whatever pot and frustrated together there so if we can reach these people better let them also give pastor a certain title respect pastor what they are doing. It's not that pastor they are not doing nothing even this the government Are you saying you should be included in the essential service providers? Very important Mr. Hiller why? I am the person who knows even to the last person in the community and if they are mentioning that now they want to divide this they want to divide that pastor cannot be mentioned pastor should be mentioned chief from PMCA the people within the area can they call pastor that they know and even we have pastors fellowships we have them that we know bishop kamaa is there we have bishops that I can mention we have chairman didako is there people that we know very well they can do these things better and even bishops in this country bishop kitonga bishop makariuki these are the main that we can mention in this world and in this also nation they have really tirelessly served God to their age, time, wherever they are nothing is mentioned like they charge the government has not even mentioned and that's why I have come to the studio to urge to the nation to urge to the country wherever they are even the time they consider other people we also consider pastors pastors can do both pastors can pray and also pastors can provide but still as you ask the question we are reaching these people we are praying for them we are standing in the gap but now the question comes we are frustrated together so now even if I come to you as my church member I'm not coming when I'm free I have no title with the government I have no any respect with the government we are listening to me let them also consider men of God and women of God as vessels that are also contributing a lot to this nation actually I want us to finish what you just mentioned that you are going to give someone maybe hope and that's where I want to come as we finish we are running out of time the optimism is in bit people have been frustrated it's true everyone is looking forward to a better tomorrow a tomorrow that we cannot see but biblically and spiritually we are told of having hope how are you now going to give this person hope even though you yourself as a pastor you are still caught up in the same situation how are you going to give these people hope we have been doing it we have been trying so much even reaching them through the form we have been trying all by means praying for them because now it's only prayer and if pastor I have seen several pastors even we have so many groups even I personally if church members come to me I wear the situation if I have something I have to give out and I can also add it to the pastors you see pastors also they have their problem they were created to receive mostly pastors receive pastors receive COVID-19 if pastor you are in a position also you can give a hand of help so we can also do our level best pastors whatever you are listening to me whatever you can do as you offer spiritual food can you also stretch your hand like now the Bible says go in peace and let the faith keep you faith without action is completely dead as we are fighting for the churches and I'm sure very soon government is going to consider churches they are going to consider churches for worship even if the measure is 15 people and now maybe my congregation is 500 15 people measure that church or 15 people in 500 congregates you see it's a big space if the government will consider give us also some way to follow like now who is organized like the church bars are opening supermarkets those are very important things but also they have to consider the church so that pastors can be in a better position to reach but I can assure you we have been reaching them we have been praying for them and we have been comforting them but the percentages in the community people are at least they are much disciplined because if we hear the news reporting news comes and the media reporting we come back to our people please santize yourself keep distance because that's only the way that also pastors can motivate and encourage there and I'm telling you Mr. Hiller church members they believe they are pastors like nothing even if president will announce something the final person because faith is very important the final person also will be their pastor and we have been really going together hand in hand with the government and we have been supporting one another because it is now our time government to remember pastors and our church members I can assure you no one loves their church members like a pastor it is inside not just pretending a pastor can be having a thousand members but still value one member I don't know it's a burden God gave them and you find that pastors are trying their all means reaching their church members I'm happy for hosting me today and I'm sure whatever the message have passed it will reach to many people and I'm hoping what you have highlighted here may be what the churches need is the protocol and the guidelines on how to have the churches back may be it could be in the president's speech but no one knows until we can hear it things will come back very important mangeti for coming and sharing your opinion and ideas thank you so much and interviews coming up next on how can we adapt to using our masks at this particular time we have had complaints we have had people say this but then we need to understand a few things in our hearing and communication will be speaking to Dr. Wahome thank you so much for keeping us company we take a very good morning