 I'm not hanging out with legends, the one and only Mr. layne, how have you been? I've been good. I've been grates, thank God. Very much alive, very much around. You've been around? No. Sooner ni una. It's been a major blessing to see everyone listening to this experience. Well, it was a normal indeed claims here in Nairobi, and I'm trying to get back to the industry Deswegen, I'm working on an album right now, so I expect some good things coming before the end of the year. Niii, sisi kama your fans who've missed you so much. I've missed you too. Okay, any Chibiakidogo Siria album, what's inside the album? I can't sing anything right now. Collaborations maybe? Yes, but very few. Most of the songs I've done solo, but there's one or two collaborations. Maybe just to still Kidogo any just to give you a hint, but we're going to be working with Sage. That's one of the collaborations I'm going to be doing. But there's one or two collaborations before I'm done now recording all my songs. So Niii ko I'm very much around. We're waiting for that album. We're here to celebrate our brother. Yes. How's your relationship with Big Pin? Big Pin is like a brother, of course. I've known him for quite a long time. I think now over almost 20 years. Yeah, because we met at Okopa, at the Okopa stable. So I've known him for quite a long time. He's a friend and also a fellow artist like me. Do you guys have a song together? Yes, we actually did. We did a song in my album called Kwanini. In fact, the song we did is the title of my album. Yes, it's called Kwanini. I've actually worked with him before. How is it working with Big Pin? Easy. Very easy. Big Pin is a simple guy, but very bubbly, very friendly, always joking around and all that. So it's quite easy. Niii msa duka mimi, he's not complicated. Even when we worked together, when I asked him for the collab, he was like, why not? Why not? And we did it. In fact, we did two songs, but we never released the other song. So hopefully in the near future we're going to do something or we do a remix of that second song that we did. So for sure Big Pin is like a brother to me, a friend, a close friend and a fellow musician just like me. And that's why we are here to support him like a brother. Do we expect to see you on stage today? Well, I'm not supposed to be performing, but you know, you never know. You never know. If time allows it and if he feels like he wants me on stage, why not? I'd like to know, how do you manage to put your name out there over the years? Whether it's Una Tomziki, whether it's Utoi, Leni Ni Leni Bado, how do you manage to do that? Well, I don't know. That's a difficult question, but I guess just being good to people, of course staying humble, you have to be humble. And then also from time to time you have to show yourself. When there's an event like this, you show up, support your fellow artist and basically just be good to people because at the end of the day as an artist, if you're not in good terms with people, then your career will not send a chance to survive for long. So I believe staying humble and just being true to yourself. That's what has kept me all these years. We're checking notes. Okay, do you think, according to you, do you think Kenyan artists support each other? They do. They actually do. But there's room for more. We need to keep supporting. We need to take it to the next level. We do support each other, but not on a large scale basis. There's still room for us to do more, support each other more. Whenever you see an artist do something somewhere, launching an album, launching an EP or maybe organizing a gig somewhere, show up. Just show up. If somebody requests you to let's say post some material that let's say they've released, post it. And just your love even if they haven't asked you for anything. If you see somewhere let's say in the social media where somebody has posted something, just support them and if somebody has merchandise they want to sell, support them. Because you never know your time will come. You'll need support. Who will better than your own fellow artist to support you? And you know when you do that even the people out there when they see you are supporting your own, people will start showing up. So that's very important. That's why me I've been trying to go to all these gigs to my fellow artist because I know at some point I will also need them. Yes and I need the love, I need the support, I need all the help that I can get. And it starts with the people who are closed in the industry. My fellow artist. I feel like you're the right person to ask this question because you've been in the game for so long. Do you think an artist can survive on music only in Kenya? It's very possible. There are so many artists who have survived just on music alone. Very many of them. It's only that, okay. In Kenya compared to say for instance, Tanzania, Uganda, Nigeria, things are a bit tight here and we are yet to have like the full support. In fact to me, according to me, we are yet to have a full industry. An industry has all the ninis in place. Everything is in place. First of all you have full support from the government. Like all the institutions say for instance like the music institutions that we have, the societies like MCSK, KAMP and BRISK. Such institutions need to be aligned fully and to support the industry. That is still yet to happen. We are still struggling to get full support. And these are the institutions that really need to make the industry get to another level. So there is still so much that we need to do to grow the industry but we are yet to get there. Not so many artists are able to survive on music alone but it is possible if you know what you are doing. I think most of us have not yet mastered the art of music business. The music business is what we are lacking. Until we crack that, we are going to have a long way to go but the music business part of it is what we need to understand. Once we understand that, the rest will come naturally. So yes, there are artists who are enjoying and living a good life and enjoying themselves and just eating from their foods of music alone. But there are so many others who are suffering. People don't say it but people are suffering out there. But I believe now the way we have the music apps that are all over, it is possible to earn from this. It is possible to earn through YouTube. It is possible to earn through TikTok and all that. So we also need to take advantage of that and now that is what we call music business. Take advantage of all these things that can tap into the music business. And things like this is also a way of making money. Yes, you can sustain yourself. You are able to do such a thing on a weekly, monthly basis. Then you can survive through music. Yes, and as you can see people are willing to support and Kenyans are getting more and more interested in Kenyan sound, Kenyan music. So I believe we are in the right track. We have a long way to go but we are in the right track. We are somewhere. Okay, what are your fans? Sorry? I want to my fans. Oh, sorry. First of all, thank you so much all of you out there who have supported me as Mr. Lenny. And not just me, everybody who has been supporting the Kenyan industry, the Kenyan artists, I really thank you. I want to say thank you on behalf of all the artists for giving us the support because without you guys we don't exist. So truly from the bottom of my heart I say thank you and for standing with us all this time. For me it's almost like 23-4 years in the music industry. Yes, and I'm still getting love. Even being away from the industry. I'm still getting love from people out there. So for me, I really, really thank my fans and I want to encourage you to keep supporting. Not just me, but the entire industry. Please show up for the gigs. Ya, wukionam twame postmsaniote, you know they are doing a gig somewhere. Please show up, wukionam. There's an artist selling some merchandise. Please buy the merchandise. Whatever it is an artist is doing out there. Please support them because without you guys we cannot do it. So bottom of my heart, I thank you guys. And a message to Big Queen. A message to Big Queen, my bro. Big Queen, you know we got love for you and you know we are supporting you. So keep on doing what you're doing. You're doing a great job and you know for you to do such a thing only shows that this thing is possible. The music thing is possible and you know it's also encouraging the upcoming artists. Showing them that you know there's actually a chance to make it in this industry. So thank you Big Queen, my brother. I appreciate you and I hope that you will continue to do more and more music. You know how we do it. So big up to you. I'm proud of you. And let's work together. Yeah bro. Thank you so much Mr. Leni. I really appreciate it.