 get started. This meeting is being recorded. Before we get started, just a reminder that given the unprecedented circumstances concerning the coronavirus, Governor Baker did issue an order allowing us some relief from the open meeting law provisions and we've been able to use that throughout this period and today we'll be doing the same using remote collaboration technology. Should there be any problem for our team here, and somehow we get disconnected, please go to the MGC's website at maskgaming.com and we'll have instructions. Excuse me, but so far our technology, because of the great work of our IT team, has been really, we've really been able to operate seamlessly. So again, we give thanks to that team. Getting started today for Call of Order, a public meeting number 78. Today is Wednesday, June 10th, starting today's meeting at 10 a.m. for agenda setting purposes. Good morning everyone and for those of you with their faces there, it's nice to see your faces. For those who have called in, you can chime in. There's anything here that is of interest to you in terms of making sure that we get it on our agenda properly. So we'll get started. A couple of minutes, Commissioner Stevens. Thank you Madam Chair. In your packet you have the minutes of the May 27th agenda setting meeting. I would move their approval subject to any corrections for typographical errors or any other non-material matters. I second that. Thank you, Commissioner. Any discussion, edits? Oh, good morning Eileen. I realized I had not taken a quorum, but I think that you were there. So for all five, I can see all five commissioners are there. Sure, Stevens a little in the dark today, but I see you. But we have a motion. I know yesterday I was the opposite. It was all light. The sun is a challenge. We have a motion on the table for the approval of the minutes. Any edits, comments? Okay. Take a roll call vote. Mr. Cameron. Aye. Mr. Brian. Aye. Commissioner Stevens. Aye. And Commissioner Zunica. Aye. And I thought, yes. Thank you, Sheriff. Five zero. Okay. I'm just looking because for some reason I'm having a little bit of a challenge visually. There we go. We'll start with our notes. Right off the bat. Administrative update. The meetings we've included now a meeting for this Thursday, June 11th. Typically, we do have an administrative update at each meeting for June 11th. Karen. I don't think we need that in particular because that meeting is very focused on the topic at hand as far as the guidelines for casino reopening. So I would suggest not we don't need to do that with that meeting. And I don't think that's necessarily posted. But for subsequent meetings at a regular cadence, I would continue to get that administrative update. Right. And then the regular cadence of full meeting will be June 18th. We will be, of course, on we're going to be speaking about another meeting that we're going to put schedule for Tuesday. I guess that's June 16th, correct? Yes. Yes. That also will be, we might as well just discuss those two special meetings now. Right. Where we go to regulation. So June 11th is Thursday. That will be limited to discussion on reopening protocols for the gaming floors, correct? Correct. And we will have representation from the licensees there and we will have, you've already received some guide, some draft guidelines on Tuesday the 16th. Karen, do you want to just update everyone on what is planned for that? Yes. So that that similar to what we did with the casinos of reopening where we had somewhat of a roundtable discussion to get some input on what we needed to do from the licensees. The plan is to have a meeting on Tuesday with the stakeholders for racing to make sure we're identifying all the things that need to be done and taking all points of view into consideration as far as the plans for reopening. I had my conversations with Alex, she's on top of the plan. We understand that racing is scheduled to reopen in phase three, according to the governor's guidelines. So this is very timely so that we will be prepared. I don't know if Alex says any further comments, but I would defer to her at this point. Alex. Yeah, comments other than, you know, we'll be ready to work on Tuesday with that plan that we've been working on for the last several months. And that will be reopening of the track. I have a couple of questions. One, we had a request for certain topics to be brought up at our next our next schedule meeting. That's Thursday. I don't think that the items that Mr. McHugh raised in his letter would be appropriate for Thursday's meeting because that's about the gaming floor. Right. With those topics, because you shared the letter, of course, with you Alex, would those topics be appropriate for the opening of the track on Tuesday? All three or one, two or three of them? Yeah, a couple of those issues were on the agenda before on that May 12th meeting. I mean, March 12th meeting when we were anticipating opening. And so, for instance, the racing officials in the letter from the harness horseman, they asked for that list. That's on our website on the agenda under the agenda materials for that March 12th meeting if they want to look at that. Those haven't changed. So right now, that can go on, you know, a commission meeting to be approved. And same with Can we just back up on that? So is that under, is that a item, a number 17? Yes, under review. So I guess my question is, do we have that be included on Tuesday? And it's a round table, Karen, is that it still be appropriate? We could or could we make it a subsection and a new section? Does that make sense? Is it connected or is it, is it broad? It's really broader. Is it broader than broader? But my recommendation is either do it on the 16th or the 18th. So we're only talking about two days difference. So I would defer to Alex on when it's convenient for her. We may want to do all the racing stuff all at once and just get it done on the 16th. That's what I'm wondering, given that they will be there. Right. Yeah, we could plan on doing that on the 16th. So maybe what we do is we have a round table discussion and I think we did this the last time because we had to deal with a deadline move, a deadline issue. Karen, so we'll just put it as, put these particular items as a second item for, in addition to the round table Tuesday. Okay. If that makes sense. So number, so number 17 goes to 0616. And then the other ones that are, any others under review that also are in line with Mr. McHugh? Number 18, the PPC waiver of the qualifying rules. It's slightly different. Plain Ridge had put in a request to move the number of days from 30 to 45 and the harness horsemen are asking for a waiver back to November. So is this an item again, and Commissioner Cameron, I'm looking at you, you just can't see me doing that because they're so small. And you don't know where you're sitting. That is where the virtual is a little tricky. Does that make sense to also make that an additional item on the, on the 16th given that the state. Are you asking me? And get both of you. Yes. Yes. I think that we can talk about that. I think that we need to have Dr. Lightbaum's expertise when it comes to this matter and the discussion about what's appropriate. So, yes, I think that makes a lot of sense to do along with the approval of the racing officials on that day. Dr. Lightbaum, do you agree? Yes. And maybe we put them on as, as two separate items. Yes. Two different requests. Separate and apart from the discussion of the round, the roundtable discussion will be the, the meat of the meeting. That's what was planned. And I just want to make sure I think we'll have time to add on these horse racing matters, but make sure that they don't, they're not in any way woven into the reopening discussion. We'll keep them separate and apart. So that would be number 18. That would be 16. Marianne, you understand what I'm thinking of in terms of the agenda. And then in terms of the third item, I don't have this letter right in front of me. I'm forgetting that one. Is that the tracked inspection? Yes. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. I should have pulled it right up here. That would be part of it. Go ahead, Commissioner. No, I just think that these requests really have to go through Dr. Lightbaum and all of them are already in process. And the track inspection, the track has assured us that they will be doing that inspection, you know, in the appropriate manner. So I don't even know that this. But that will actually then be, that will be a checklist item for our reopening discussion in the roundtable. Correct. Correct. It's not a separate agenda item. Excellent. Yeah. I think that makes good sense. That does make sense. Okay. And then, and, and yes, I agree with you entirely, Commissioner Cameron. I just wanted to make sure that none of the items really required us to have more time, just really should be distanced, you know, from this core discussion, because it might be too much of a distraction. Makes a lot of sense to separate and just Excellent. There really are two different topics here, right? Let's separate them out. Yeah, exactly. But then at least everybody associated with the PPC horse racing will be part of there anyway. So, and anyone who's interested, of course, can join as a public Right. So those two items we've we've moved on. I won't go out of order again. I promise back to and mention update for the 18th. Do you have an idea of whether you have anything? I can't I can't think of anything specific right now that would be a sub item under that. So I would just keep it as administrative update in general. And then I can look at the commission. Now, I would anticipate, you know, keep the commission abreast of the staff activities and the preparations for opening as well as our office preparations at the casinos because we have to make sure that that's safe for our employees. Okay, one, one issue I'm wondering, Alex, if it's would have to be separate or if it would be part of an administrative update, the deadline that legislative deadline, do we want to have perhaps that would be something that Karen should include in her administrative update that will be working that right? Sure. Okay, so you'll coordinate that legislative update on the racing day? The 18th feels like a good day to do that. Okay. And then whatever steps we have done in the past, if it's a letters that get issued. Okay. Commissioner Cameron, our commissioners, if you remember that what we've done in the past to remind the legislature of that deadline. Okay. Excellent. Todd, any regulations that we're going to or any, any legal matters that we need to address? Morning. No, nothing specifically that needs to get on an agenda at the moment. There's lots of legal issues, but nothing that needs to be addressed here. Okay, excellent. We've talked about number three that's scheduled for 10 o'clock on Thursday. I think we've reserved two and a half hours, but that's mainly to the public. I don't think it will go that long, mainly to make sure that in case we have any technical issues. Anything else that we need to know for Thursday, Karen? I don't think so. I think we're in good shape. We've got documents for the packet. Those have all been provided in advance to the commission. So I anticipate we're being in the shape. Excellent. Okay. Junie, it's going to be a big meeting. Yeah. Yeah, let's, let's start. Anrikay and Derek for number four. Yeah, I'll um, I'll ask Derek where we are in terms of the materials and the two by twos, hopefully, but I think we should be on track for that. Two by twos are already scheduled. I think they're Monday of next week. So the materials will be ready hopefully Friday, Saturday at the latest. Anything else? And that's our first of two meetings, correct? Correct. This is just to get your first look at it, all the details in the packet, review it, then we'll put it off for comment for two weeks and come back and approve it at the next meeting. Great. Thank you. A lot of work. Thanks so much. Moving on to number five, license renewal. Yeah, so my understanding is that things have been going well as far as collection of the documents and that process. At that point, I'd like to turn it over to Joe and also Loretta because we've got to discuss the issue of suitability and then also moving forward with the re-licensing process, you know, similar to the phase two process. So why don't we start with Loretta to check in on what thoughts are on the suitability phase of re-licensing. Good morning. The PPC has provided all the documents required for the background review piece of the re-licensing. In fact, their documents have been in for a long period already. Interviews have been conducted of all of the new and required renewal qualifiers and we're in the final stages of drafting a report on financial suitability and preparing all of the checklist. All of the checklists of the protocol that you approved are essentially completed. So we are really trying to wrap the suitability piece up and I expect that we would be able to come to you on suitability within the next few weeks. So that, are there questions about that now? So suitability is in great shape and we have not identified any problematic areas that would require urgent attention. Thank you. Any questions for Loretta? Yeah, I just want to clarify. Are you expecting to finalize suitability reports before the 24th, which is, in other words, talk like the 18, because there's a number of things that we have to determine that their application or that there's submission of documents is substantially complete or I forget the exact word, that we have quite a bit of time after that to do analysis. That's right. So on the suitability piece, the documents are all complete and Joe can provide you with the update on the other documents that are not related to suitability. I do not expect to come before you before the 24th on suitability, but it should be, I expect to come before you at the beginning of July. Thank you. So with respect to the other documents, we're expecting the last batch of information to come in on Monday. So we'll certainly be ready to report back to the commission on Thursday as to the status of the submission of documents. And I think we should be able to make that determination, whether or not the application is complete. And then from that point, I think we really need to sit with staff and with commissioners and really just kind of hammer out what we want to do for a schedule going forward. I think we don't want to conflict with the reopening of the casino. We know that all of our gaming agents and Bruce and Burke and those folks will all be very busy with that effort as our licensees will. So I know we want to have a public hearing, we want to do a number of different activities. So what I would suggest is we vote it on the 18th and then, you know, have some staff level meetings to determine, you know, sort of when we think, you know, try to put together a reasonable schedule going forward. Yeah, we will, we can plan on that. On me, Kay, it's a sufficiently complete. Thank you. So I think that we're getting indicators from Joe and Loretta that they're comfortable with it. The licensee has met that standard, but we'll get updated. And then of course, we have some days if we want more before the 24. Yep. And then there's no, obviously, we will want to finalize this. And I'm hearing Joe mentioned that they're going to be dealing with reopening. There is no outside date, is there Loretta, that we have to finalize our other than good practice and best practice? Right, under 38, there is no outside date. Okay. Well, we will make a, we will come together to come up with a good schedule. That's realistic given all the challenges right now and yet be timely. And then we can come back, Karen, you can come back with that in our next agenda setting meeting, which will proceed. Will we have one, Marianne, before the 18th? No. I guess not. I think our next agenda setting meeting is the June 24th. June 24th. So on the 24th, we should be able to have that schedule in place and we can discuss going forward. Then we're not being presumptuous about the 18th either. Okay. Great. Thanks. Great work. All coming together. Number and Joe. Number six. Yes. Thank you. So Community Mitigation Fund, we are moving along very well. We expect to have a memo out to the commission by close of business Friday. So you'll have a good long time to review it. We've got two by two set up for Monday, I believe. It's our intent for the meeting on the 18th to cover, we're not going to go in the exact order of the memo. We're going to go sort of by subject matter. And we intend to do the workforce grants, the non-transportation planning grants. And then if we have time, we'll go into the transportation planning grants. So what I intend to do with the two by twos is to do a briefing on those three categories on Monday. And then we'll do an additional briefing the following week for the second part of this. I don't want to overwhelm the commissioners with the whole thing all at once. Unless you want to be overwhelmed all at once. Thanks for being overwhelmed. Bruce. Well, Bruce and I have had the benefit of a number of meetings on this process. But you like how Joe is bifurcating it. That makes sense to the two of you. Absolutely. And I was going to mention, I'm not expecting that I'd be part of that two by two Joe, but it's really the other three commissioners who have not been part of this process. Yeah, that's correct. That's the way we have it set up. We did not include you or Commissioner Stevens. Okay. And just as an update on the, just on the IT side of the house, because I know the commissioners, I think four of you are getting your computers migrated, I think on Friday. So I did confirm with IT that there is a way to remotely access the shared drive through your computer. So if you don't know how to do that or and would like to do that, just email me, let me know, and I'll coordinate getting all those that want to learn how to do that some kind of training in the next day or two so that you are familiar with how to do that. Am I the one who's not getting their computer migrated? No, you, it's Kathy, it's Kathy. Bruce. Yeah, it's Eileen. Eileen's not doing it that day. She's the following, but I think the other four, Kathy, Gail, Bruce, and Enrique, you're all doing it on Friday. So you may not get your computer back till Monday, so there's a way to access it if you want to read things. I didn't make the mistake, right? That's Friday the 12th. Enrique, you mean there was an email that went out with a schedule. So you and I are in Boston. We have to pick up in Boston. And then I missed it. I'm glad you've mentioned it now, Kathy. Double check and just let me know if you'd like me to set something up because we could do some kind of training with IT in the next day or so if you'd like to do that. See, my concern is that if we want to use any of the weekend to access all of the community mitigation materials, which I know that Mary and Joe are going to plan on putting in the shared drive, we'll want to know how to access that without our computers. So I am, I'll need that. I don't know if anybody else feels the same way that if you're going to want to or not. Enrique knows the materials probably so well he doesn't need to. You know, I get them confused from time to time, by the way, because there's multiple requests from the same couple of cities and what not, but no, I don't need I'm not going to need to see all the documents over the weekend. The main thing is we're definitely going to want to see the memo. So if we don't have our computers, we're all going to be able to access the memo through email. Correct. That's correct. I will be emailing it out on Friday to all of the commissioners and I'll be emailing it to myself and a number of other folks because I lose my computer Monday morning. So when I'm doing my two by twos, it's going to be a little challenging to do that without my computer. So I'm going to I'm not exactly even sure right now that now that I even speak about that, I'm not sure exactly how I will how I'll participate, but I'll figure that out. Because of the HD meeting, I do know that I do know that you can access HD meeting through your if you have your own private laptop, if you have that, if you have one, I know that because of higher experience with a little critter who took out my so the HD meeting could was easily accessed, but I need a refresher on it. So it's good to just be thinking because we do have such a busy June 18th meeting, particularly for all of you who are preparing materials for us, we appreciate your planning on that. And then and of course, the IT's efforts are mammoth and we really appreciate everything that they're doing. So, you know, the little sacrifice we're making is nothing compared to all the work they're doing, and it's going to really help us in the future. So yes, a little planning ahead. And Enrique, I just forwarded you the email with the schedule so you can take a look at that. Thank you. Enrique, we're going to be in Boston at the same time. Okay. Then we're good on number six. I do have a note here. Vote before 11, both five and six. Is that are we losing Joe or something? No, you're losing me. Oh, okay. I have a virtual graduation. So congratulations. This is your fifth grader, correct? Yes. Yep. Does that mean it's the end of the year for her too? Yeah. So it school ends at noon. And so traditionally they clap them out and do a whole thing, which obviously they can't do. So they're doing it remotely. They're doing it virtually, but they're trying to time it for the same, like 1130 to 1230. Okay. And those are only two votes besides the minutes. So that should work out. We'll be really cognizant of time. Excellent. Thank you. And I think we'll just need to decide what we want to do on how we want to do the votes. You know, we could either do them as we go. We could do them all at the end. We haven't really decided on that. I think when we have the two by two, we should discuss, you know, how we want the votes to work. The reason why it might make sense to do the votes at the end is because unless you can really compare to mentalize the dollars, meaning each region, there would be at the end a thought about allocation, correct? Sir, potentially. Yeah. I mean, if we, if if the commission, you know, changes some of the recommendations and goes one way or the other, I mean, certainly could affect the dollar values. We're probably okay, money wise, but we would still have to recalculate everything and change charts and do a few other things. Okay, so you're going to. Okay. So we could talk about that. Yeah, Karen, that's a good thing to be in the team, your team to think about what's best. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Good. Thanks. Item number seven, Mark. Hello. Good morning. Good morning. Morning. Yes. We will be set for that presentation by Dr. Volberg. And in light, I will go ahead and send out that article to you. So you have a phone in advance of turning in your computers. I probably won't have the PowerPoint that accompanies it for the presentation until Monday. It's not a difficult read. It's really, it's really quite good. So I'll get you the journal article and the PowerPoint Monday. Excellent. Thank you. You should just back up in terms of the 11 o'clock. We've got the budget. Perhaps we do the budget after the license renewal in the community mitigation fund for license renewal. Can you anticipate how much time? Karen, Joe. I don't think it's going to take very long. This is a matter of saying that they, yeah, we either saying that the application is complete or if it's not complete, what's missing and then the commission will need to make a determination whether or not, even if it happened to be missing a piece of information, whether or not they would consider that to be sort of substantially complete. Okay. I mean, I have 15 minutes. Yep. We'll put down 15, 20 minutes in the community mitigation. Again, if we do 15 minutes for that license renewal, which we absolutely have to address that, then depending on whether or not we have a vote, the presentation for the mitigation fund might not be quite complete or would it be complete before 11? No, I don't think so. No. I mean, I was, you know, this whole presentation, I thought we were going to try to split this up, you know, into two pieces. You know, I mean, that's, I think it may, I may have to miss, I may have to miss a couple of them. That's right. Yeah. Try to minimize when I'm gone, but yeah. Commissioner O'Brien, you know, it needs to go to hers and without any guilt feelings. It's a celebration of excited, but we also want to curtail that discussion that might actually help us think about why a vote doesn't make, we could defer our voting until the following meeting if we can keep track of all of our thoughts. And then Commissioner O'Brien can go back to the tape too to see the discussion. Right. So, so you're, I'm actually asking about time mainly from, from Marianne, so that she can time out our meeting too, which I should have asked beforehand. If I can jump in for the 18th, I expect to have two qualified, two casino qualifiers for your consideration. Okay, well, we're going to go through the whole thing, all of the 18th, but I'm just going back. So, no, no, no problem at all. I'm glad you told us. For PPC license renewal, we've got about 15, 20 minutes. Community mitigation, we know it's going to be an extensive discussion. And if you had to guess, I mean, I would say to get through the, to get through the workforce and the non-transportation planning would take at least an hour. Yeah. And I was reserving the, the transportation planning in case, you know, we had the time or the commission wanted to continue on or whatever, just to get it out, get more stuff out of the way, I guess. Okay, so if we put, let's just put down, let's put down 1.5 hours right now and then just see where we are in our meeting. Yeah, that's a good chunk of time. Okay. Justine. And then Dr. Volberg's report. I would give that about 45 minutes. Probably like 30 minute presentation is usually what I like, I like to stick with. There may be a little less discussion, just the format is, is less conducive for it. Okay. So that brings me up to I think 2.5 hours right now. Right. And Kathy, just so you know, the next two agenda items, we are wanting to push to the following meeting. So if you're stressed about the time and, and wanting to kind of, I want to help out. Not stressed at all. Oh, that's me. Sorry. I'm displacing that stress right back to you, Mark. Thank you. And I'm thinking of, I'm thinking of our friend Elaine and her project. So yeah, me too. Yeah. Okay. So the 18th, our next meeting was the special one for community mitigation. Can we add those? I apologize. We could add number eight, perhaps. Okay. If, could we add the, I'm sorry, I need agenda eight and nine. They are both not long agenda items. And I do feel really strongly that I want to try to put this in under a while, while Elaine is still in the, well, virtual. Still in our virtual boxes here. Right. Yeah. She's done, it's, she's been instrumental for that. So it would feel wrong that she's not there. I'm okay with that. Anybody object to that? That means just make that special meeting a little bit broader. Makes sense to me. And Kathy, I think that both of those items could probably be covered in about 30 minutes. Elena, you good with that? She's giving the thumbs up. Okay. Great. So we're at 2.5. And then Loretta just added, we'll have two qualifying reports for the 18th. Yes. And I especially have the reports by the end of this week. Oh, thank you. Is everybody okay? My fellow commissioners, you're all on, except for Eileen on mute. Speak up if you have any questions or think, is that too much? Is that going to work for you? That works. Good. Oh great. Okay. So then we will have an agenda setting meeting on phase eight on the 20, the 24th. Then we move right to another special meeting on the 25th. Correct me? Yeah. So we're, from working remotely, we're on a pretty aggressive cadence here, everyone. So thank you and congratulations on everyone's just great work. There's a lot that's required in our ordinary times. And you haven't missed a beat on those matters. And then of course, addressing all the additional work is really impressive. Okay. So now anticipating, is there anything else that anyone has for the 18th besides the two additional suitability reports? Nothing? Okay. Those usually go pretty, pretty quickly. So there we are. All right. Moving on to the 25th. We've got number 10. That's the community mitigation. And then we'll just have eight and nine addressed. And do you think you're going to need a good couple of hours on that day, especially if we do the voting? Or do you think three hours? What do you want, Joe? You know, I would, I'm hopeful that, you know, that we can get to a quicker, but I've probably booked three hours just to be on the safe side. And, you know, my, my preference would be to get through it all on the 25th and not have to push it out to the second. And, you know, obviously, I'll leave it to the commission's discretion on, on how they're feeling on getting through these and how quickly we're moving through them. It's difficult to predict how quickly or slowly some of these might go. There are a couple of, I won't call them controversial, but a couple that, you know, the, the review team had some difficulty with and is looking really to the commission for some guidance on some of these things. So there will be some certainly that will have some probably fairly robust discussion. So I asked this a couple, a couple of options for the meeting on the 25th, because I'm hearing it'll be about 3.5 because we've added numbers eight and nine. We could start earlier on that day. We can absolutely have a lunch break and we, you know, we turn to our computers and our phones. It's a very meaty discussion and we will have votes. And I know we're going to have very thorough recommendations, but I also know all five of us will have questions. We know that there's a limited number of dollars available. We know there are lots of strong applications. So what's your preference, starting earlier, having a lunch, having starting earlier and a lunch break. We certainly, well, I guess I would suggest, you know, doing Mark's stuff first to just get that out of the way. And then we'll jump into the community mitigation fund and just start that and go until we can't go anymore. To be fair to Mark and Elaine, that makes sense to start off and get that work done and then Karen can also address anything that might have come up on administrative update. But in terms of the timing, is there a preference for my fellow commissioners to start earlier or Gail, what are you thinking? You know, I, it either way works for me. I don't mind starting earlier. And if we feel like it's so sometimes it's a little more challenging remotely to go for hours and hours. So maybe we do take a quick lunch break and just refresh. But I, but I really, I could do whatever anyone else wants. Frankly, I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. I have children at home. Bruce, you have children at home. Enrique, you have children at home. How does that work? Even though I know it's getting later in the season for school, but you're going to have other challenges as. Yeah, I actually have them in stuff later in the afternoon. So starting a little earlier is helpful for me. But I do think that not only for my sake, probably for Enrique's sake, and for the sake of being able to really give attention to these, I'm going to want to break in the middle like three hours straight on one topic. To me, it's just not effective anymore for the people. I agree. Enrique? Yeah, I'd like to break idea mostly because we're coming to with some of these recommendations with a split as Joe suggested with kind of like a judgment call. I would not like to see that out of tiredness. Everybody says, well, let's just, you know, I just want to vote one way or another just to get this over with. So maybe it's a little bit of both a little earlier and with that with a lunch break. Yeah, I'm okay with starting a little bit earlier. And I think at some point we'll just know when we need to take a break and it'll probably be around that lunch time hour anyway. So my kids are still usually embedded that hour. So what are we thinking, 9.30 maybe? And then thinking about a break at around noon, does that make sense? Does that make sense rather than 9.00 might be just a bit too early. Let's do 9.30. And I am shooting in my mind to try to have this be a really in-depth discussion about one topic. Of course, we will give due attention to Elaine and Mark's matters at the beginning, but immerse ourselves in this discussion and hopefully be able to take the votes needed so that our heads are in it when we make those those votes rather than having to go to July 2nd. So we'll just make sure, Amy and Jamie kind of clears our schedules because I think we'll probably be wiped out pretty much at the end of that, you know, no back-to-back meetings after that and go right for the votes. And I think it just makes sense to plan on the votes all at that meeting, Joe, given that the 18th Commissioner O'Brien will need to catch up virtually. Yeah, I think that totally makes sense. You know, obviously on the day one, if there are any, if the discussion around things results in any changes or apparent changes, you know, we'll be able to structure those that last meeting and wrap up tables and charts and the dollar values and all those things you need to do. Okay, great. Great. Good. So that takes care of number 10 and 25th. We'll keep on the agenda on number 11, but let's put for number 10 a vote, Mary Ann, reserve, that just is our own note. And then the 11th, we'll keep it on for now, but over the anticipation that we will win back time on that meeting. And then we can keep number 12 for the enhanced code of ethics update. I'm going to meet with Todd and Bruce. I'll get a meeting on schedule for next week, you know, as long as we, as you, as long as you two have time. All right. And then we can at least decide at that, at the meeting on the second about process, if not substance two. Number 13, this is another, that's why I'm a little bit concerned, because this is going to be a good substantive discussion on the 13th. Correct, Derek? Derek and team, Krishna, Agnes, and Doug. That's correct. Yeah, it, it should, you know, but there's also the benefit of two by two on a prior presentation. So it could be a substantive discussion. Okay. So how much time do you think that will take? So for our presentation, 10 to 15 minutes, we'll just update you on any public comments. But if you have a lot of questions and input and discussion before voting on it, that's been anywhere from a half an hour to an hour, depending on what the public comments come in looking like. So I'd say 45 minutes at the least. At the, at the least for the most. At the least. Okay, got it. All right. Magic waves, number 14. Oh, is there anything else that people are anticipating for the beginning of July? Karen, anything that you? One matter that we haven't talked about, that I haven't discussed even with you, Karen, but Alex and Elaine and I did discuss recently a topic. Maybe I brought it up to you, Karen, but on simulcasting, we haven't really had an update on the state of simulcasting. And it occurred to me that we might want to have a little bit of a substantive report on really what's allowed. Some people may not appreciate that Massachusetts allows for betting on horse racing to be done from our mobile devices at home within Massachusetts. And that's an important, an important item right now, given a lot of news around gaming options for folks to understand. We also have a piece of revenue that comes through simulcasting and has been coming through simulcasting. Because there has been thoroughbred horse racing, that's continued. And I don't think I happily appreciated that it was revealed that it's a little bit complicated. So I wondered if there might be an opportunity, Alex, for you, with Commissioner Cameron to maybe, and maybe it's the July 2nd meeting if there's time to just discuss that. I know that we brought up the deadline, and that the legislative piece will get addressed on the 18th, but I wonder if it might make sense for you to just give us a little bit of a primer on all things simulcast and ADW. ADW, that's sort of correct. Yes. I want to invert all the time, then now I'm self-correcting after I've corrected. Just to clarify, the tracks haven't been simulcasting because that implies that the people are there at the racetrack betting. They have, Suffolk and Plainridge have been doing account wagering because that's all online. Right. So that's another piece. And again, thank you for clarifying that because that's, you know, I learned from Alex and then didn't apply my learning that ADW is if you set up your account and you can then work back from your mobile device and it's used geofencing, all these issues that we have explored when considered sports betting. So it just would be, I think, an interesting topic for us to learn as a team. And you, Alex, make sure everyone's and then also for Chad to describe, you know, what the state of revenue is and where it goes and how it's applied. Sure. So, Alex, why don't we, with Todd, set up a meeting prior to and just really talk about what would be a value to the commission. Okay. Thanks, commissioner. I think that makes sense. I thought of it last night. I just hadn't in terms of what could be a new item. That makes sense because it is relevant and there have been changes and just to understand it is always a helpful thing. Great. Thanks. So we'll just put that on for the second. That's final cast ADW update or not update, just a report. Really for information sharing. Okay. Thanks. I'm now back to number 14. Mark, July 30th. Yes. It's a long way out, but we'll be set for that. And just to clean up the notes a little bit, Mary Ann, that's also showing up as number 21 on the agenda setting. Okay. You're going to be all set for that. Any other item for July 30th? It's a second. We didn't, we don't have a meeting in between, but it would be the 16th if we stayed with the same cadence, right? That's right. Karen, we should reserve that on the calendar still, correct? Yes. I would keep that there. Okay. We just don't right now have an item, but we'll watch our agenda setting, but the full meeting with the 16th. Is there anything for the 16th? But the 30th feels too far out. Okay. We'll just reserve it. And then we've got items for the 30th now. Let's just look at items for under review. Todd, number 15. 15 is interesting. I was going to say it wasn't urgent, but then I started thinking that as the casinos begin to reopen, if there is a lot of hiring or people who need to get licensed or registered, it may become relevant. So it might be more urgent than I had been thinking about. And it's certainly, I'm not, I'm not certain how much relicensing or licensing and registration we're anticipating as part of reopening activities. But I think this one would maybe plug into that. Nevada? We'd be prepared to go forward with that at really at any time. I could have some advanced conversations and have had some already individually with commissioners, but if you want to put that on one of the upcoming meetings, we'd be prepared to discuss that. And Todd, this would be a policy discussion. This isn't looking at any draft or regulatory changes at this point. Well, there's, yeah, I mean, there's a statute that governs the use of this information. Our use of it is slightly different. And we do have a regulation that addresses this. So they would all work hand in hand. But at the end of the day, when all is said and done, based upon my reading to date, this would be a policy decision that the commission would ultimately make as to whether you want to use this type of information or not. Yep. Sorry. Sorry, Todd. If I remember correctly, I heard the public comments. Was there was there an argument presented that we actually, our practice might conflict with the statute? It was certainly implied. As I read it, I don't think that she necessarily made that case. I'd have to go back and read the comment. But I think the implication was just that you shouldn't use it as a matter of good sound public policy, because other similarly situated entities can't use this information. So it seemed to me at the time, and I haven't looked at this in a couple of weeks, that we could legally use it and we have, you know, we're allowed to at the moment. But the commission may consider whether it just doesn't want to use it consistent with what the statute says. And Kathy, my understanding is when we looked at this before, they did, we did do a legal analysis and confirmed that what we were doing was in fact in compliance with the law. And I've recently reviewed that and concur with that as a recent review. And it is true that employers are on different footing than a licensing agency like us. And the letter that was submitted was an invitation for the commission to treat such material more like an employer would be required to treat it, but was not a suggestion that we were contrary to law. You know, my suggestion now is if you, again, I have had recent discussions with a number of commissioners, if you'd like us to sort of complete that and then come back and determine where this should sit on the agenda, maybe that's an approach you'd want to go with. Well, I guess I haven't had that discussion with you yet, Loretta, so I look forward to that. Okay. I can pull out Ms. Carrion's letter that she submitted. I do feel like there will be relicensing because of the furloughs, correct? You're anticipating that, that there'll be new employees or do they feel it's a matter of if employees don't come back. Right. They need to hire different employees and also the level of hiring that they're going to do. Right. Right. If they have the people that they need still, then they will use those first, but... Right. Okay. July 2nd, does it seem like that's the right place to put it on for a discussion at least? Sure. And if you're not ready at the time, we can move it. Okay. Does that make sense everyone? Sure. You might have the advantage of the discussion. Eileen, have you, do you feel that that works? Commissioner Bryan? That's fine. That's fine. I think I'm comfortable with what we're doing complies with the law, so I think talking about what else you might consider is fine. Okay. Yep, excellent. Thank you. Now we're back to Alex's your items. Number 16, should we keep that under review still? I know that there's still some discussion Todd and Alex under review. Yes, that can stay under review. Okay. Then number 17, we've moved to the 16th of June. Correct. Number 18, we've moved to the 16th of June. What about 19? That can stay under review. Okay. And number 20. That's ready to go on the agenda. It can go on the 16th if you want. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't ask about that. Okay, good. Well, I guess we didn't go down through. All right. And then I didn't know if the commission wanted to have Suffolk and Rainham submit their reopening plans for their simulcasting facilities. And if we wanted that on an agenda, the simulcasting would become available at PPC with the reopening plan. So where does that fit into the reopening guidelines? Well, the simulcasting is in the phase three as well as the racing. Right. So do we treat it as the gaming floor or do we treat it as the race racing? Well, PPC, PPC, it's considered part of the gaming floor. But, and that's why we don't, the paramutrile clerks who work in that building are now licensed through the gaming licensing through Bill Curtis's group. Instead of under racing, which that Suffolk and Rainham, those paramutrile clerks are licensed under racing still. So Karen is, do we, do we put this item on simulcasting for Tuesday's discussion with horse racing or do we, it will be addressed tomorrow? As far as the protocols, I would, I would put that on Tuesday instead of on Thursday. Okay. Then you'll feel better prepared for it. Because I think keeping all the horse racing items together is going to cause less confusion. Yeah. But I do see where there's that, that crossover in terms of the gaming floor. What do you think, Gail? It would be nice to see a plan from them to just to make sure they understand all of, you know, what the governor's office is saying, as well as what other best practices there are in simulcasting around the country. So I would be interested in seeing a plan, just a short plan, really outlining there what they anticipate doing when they can reopen. I just don't know if we're giving them enough time to have that plan into us by Tuesday to discuss. I know Chip was, last time I talked to him, he thought he would be ready to have information, the plan ready to go on the meeting for the 18th. Okay. That would work for me because remember, the Tuesday meeting is really about PPC's racetrack and getting racing reopening. So I would be fine pushing back the simulcasting plans at another date because it's really a different even group of people. Because then we're bringing in Chip Tuttle. And Mr. Carney, exactly. Where on Tuesday we're trying to keep about racing. That is not Mojo. Just to be clear. That's Chippy is out in the hall. I saw Commissioner Zuniga's chat and I was going to take no responsibility, but in this case I can say. You know, Bruce chatted to me privately that he had put Chippy away and I thought for a second that I had wrongly accused Mojo, but it was indeed Mojo the first time. It was Mojo before, but because both of us are on calls, usually we try to take dog responsibility. We have not yet stashed him up in the attic. That's not a bad idea though. So back to the business at hand in terms of the simulcasting. Again, I hear you Karen saying it will probably be more appropriate for PPC simulcasting to be discussed at the racing discussion on Tuesday. I also hear Alex saying that it's a bit of a combination because I'm imagining that the reopening guidelines from PPC extend into that simulcasting space. Yeah, I mean it's true. You think about the property. So I mean I'm open to do it either way. And we can bring it up tomorrow. You could discuss it at both. Just make sure you know at least address it. I actually think it makes sense to have it with racing on Tuesday only because it is all in that one building, the racing building. I understand the licensing is different, but I also think that may be very helpful for the other two simulcasting sites. They may not have the experience of Penn Beaning. You know they have so many facilities around the country. They will have best practices and I'm hopeful that could help our other two simulcasting locations. So I don't have any problem with separating it out as Kathy you mentioned. You could just stick to PPC on Tuesday and then a little bit later look at the plans for our other two locations. And you know I think they would have had time by then to listen to what Penn's doing, formulate their own plans, and get them into us and we could discuss. Right and Alex I'm sure they'll welcome any input that you have for guidance where you know what you learn from PPC too. So we can be of assistance to them and and deal with it on the 18th because phase three will be getting closed. So that adds Mary Ann another piece of work for the 18th. The 18th will be a busy day. Hey Alex I have a question. When is the simulcasting bill expire? It expires July 1st. Okay. So on the 18th Karen's going to address that in the administrative update and we should just prepare to reach out to the legislature and governor's office. I think we've talked about that informally. Yeah you know I was just trying to figure out whether he he made a difference to try to look at the plan. Well the main thing is that they I think the other date is not only that date which is the right date to think of too but depending on when phase three starts they might actually get a green light ahead of July 1st because depending on when. If they consider the first week of phase two or the second week of phase two what does that mean for phase three? Yeah. Or yeah you know of course it's always data driven as opposed to day driving. Right. So probably going much later than the 18th it's not going to be helpful. You okay with that Karen? Yeah that's fine. Okay Alex? Yes. Okay great. Then moving on to number 21 mark we have on for July 30th and the update on section 97. Do you have do you know yet what you want to do with that? I'm looking from. Yeah I'm right here. Okay great. Yeah let's keep that as pending. Again it just it requires the coordination of our licensees as well as another group of experts across a couple different state agencies so I want to make sure that we're set for that. Good. Okay no need to inundate them. All right number 23 Jill? Yeah this is still pending. Okay thank you. Number 24 compliance Karen? Yes let's keep that under review. Okay. Krishna or Zuniga? No let's keep it under review as well number 25 but I really want to make a conversation with you and Elaine and Karen. Yeah I you know I have that on my to-do list and Ricky I'll set that up for the beginning of next week if that works for you. Yep. I've got it on my list I should have done that last week I just. Yeah I should have followed up myself but you know it's not it's not urgent there's plenty of other things that everybody's waiting. Yeah nice to get Elaine in the mix before she leaves though temporarily leaves. Okay anything else that anyone wants to put under review or to maybe schedule? I see no one raising a hand and I don't see anything. I have something Madam Chair. I do have something I'd like to work with Bill Curtis and provide a status update regarding the independent directors of gaming vendor primary applicants and licensees back in November you gave us some direction about whom to designate amongst you know all the independent directors and you directed us that to begin with we should designate as qualifiers independent non-executive directors who also serve as chairman or chair women of the boards of directors and we said back in November that we would update you on that at around the six month mark we're a little over the six month mark now I'd like to collect that data with Bill and with Kate Hart again and come back and give you an update on how many we are where they are in the invest process and whether we should continue doing what we're doing or expand our designations to capture for independent directors so if we could keep that under review now and give me a chance to have further discussion with Bill and Kate then at the next meeting I will suggest a date for us to actually give you the update okay and in the meantime I know I would benefit if if you and I can look myself if you don't have a chance on that if you could let us if you could remind us which date we had that okay fine I'll hold the I've got that in my notes it's a November date but I'll pull up the link then we can just look at the discussion I want to be be reminded of what I don't want you to have to repeat everything that you said there okay thank you and so we'll put that under review with the idea that we might have a July date where if you're prepared you want to go forward on it thank you thank you for the follow-up anything else Todd anything else so you can think of right now nothing comes to mind but I'll be vigilant yeah right and then of course Todd if you decide that for any reason that you want an update legislative update for the commissioners we can schedule the appropriate executive session so you know just keep that in mind as we go forward you know when that might be a useful tool for you absolutely thank you all right anything else everybody all set I think we're good that's a pretty um pretty busy schedule so thank you everyone and and uh I know that I'm Rike Bruce and and Gail and I mean I know you feel the same way the team's just roaring through and great work do I have a motion motion to adjourn thanks second so wait who moved and who seconded I think I think Gail moved all second okay roll call Gail hi I'm Rike hi thank you everybody um Eileen hi thank you Bruce hi and a shout out to Derek for his t-shirt which I appreciate wait I missed it I missed it Derek what is that at all I can't see oh you're killing it about it it says you it's from the same lot oh yeah awesome movie classic thanks Derek brought a smile you're killing me smalls not an invitation for Eric to weigh in it's always an invitation great movie everybody should watch upside Kevin Hart for my friends and don't miss it love you all man have a great time I vote yes so we're all set meeting adjourned thank you everyone thanks everybody