 He literally realized that he is God. He was literally completely impersonal with me. I was impersonal at that point. I was aware of being aware. And he was impersonal with me and it was just beautiful. Very beautiful. What is blocking the awareness from being. It's already here. It's already ever present. Awareness is already aware. There's no blockage. That's just a thought that you believe. That there's an awareness of it. That is the key. The awareness is the key. Not whatever you think is the key. They don't realize how significant. This awareness is. Hey everyone. Welcome to simulation. I'm your host Atlas. Very pumped for this episode. We're going to be talking about the pathless path. We're going to be talking about the pathless path. We're going to be talking about God realization. We have Sebastian key joining us on the show. Hi, everyone. Hello. I'm so happy that you stumbled upon us and then messaged in the comments. And then we got connected really quickly. It's a divine dream. It is. Oh man. I'll give you a bit of his bio. You can find it also written below. He's a teacher of the timeless pathless path to God realization. He is unique as he came to the realization when he was 19 years old. We're going to be talking about that story. He is the founder of I am eternal life. And he's currently accepting one on one private sessions. You can follow slash support him via the links below. His Instagram is really popping. We have a lot of the same teachers. We've got a lot of cool stuff there. Go check it out. Website blog, Patreon as well. Really good writings on his blog. And support our man here. So you can continue. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Let's do this. Okay. So were you, were you also born and raised in Israel? Yes, I was in Israel until just a few months ago. And there was a point where. I'll probably discuss this a bit later, but yes, I was born and raised in Israel. Yes. And then who were your parents? How many siblings did you have? So I had, I have one older brother, one younger brother. The other brother is 22. The younger brother is 14 in a month. And two parents like mother father, which are 44 around that area right now. So they're pretty young. And that would be it for now. And what were their professions? So my dad was working with, is working with computers, stuff like that. And my mom is a photographer. Interesting. And are their lineages both Israeli? No, they're from my mother is from Armenia. And my dad is from Georgia, but they both met in Georgia. And my mother's lineage is what I described. So you said your mom's Armenian. Yes. And your dad's Georgian. Yes. But they're both mixed also because like my mom, my mom's mom is, I'm not sure, I'm not sure which one of them is Armenian, which one of them is Georgian. So, but they're both like very close, but my father is mainly Georgian. My mother is like half half probably something like that. But my, my, my father's father is Jewish. Oh, so that is why we were able to come to Israel. Yeah. Okay. I see. I see. This is the first time that Sebastian and I are discovering that we actually share lineage as well, because both my mom and my dad are Armenian. Very nice. Yeah. Yes. Yes. What did you what did you just say? Yes, kiss. I love you. Sorry. Sorry yes. I love you. Oh, I have no idea. I don't speak Armenian, but I love you too. You speak Russian. We just learned that we both speak Russian. What? Oh, that's so interesting. So did they both speak Russian? Also, they taught you all your siblings Russian growing up? Yes, we were like they pretty much knew only Russian. I learned Hebrew through school, basically, and only later, only my father was learning Hebrew kind of like not completely, fluently, but enough to make business and stuff. But yeah, we were raised in Russian. Oh, wow, raised in Russian and then picked up English as a second language and then Hebrew as third. Yeah, through the, well, it was Russian then Hebrew then English because through the television, there were many series that were talking in English, but the subtitles were in Hebrew. I was able to understand what they are saying based on what is translated, and then I was somehow the brain was able to just learn English through that and also through playing video games like Maple story so I needed to ask for money and needed for needed to ask for help and stuff like that I also was talking to people through Maple story and games like that so that was also a very great help to learn English. My gosh, we just got this fascinating similarity that just came up it's so interesting we didn't even know this about one another that's so interesting. My grandma taught me Russian when I was growing up and I'm so so grateful being being bilingual and I learned, and a lot of Spanish, also in high school and so being multi lingual is really important it sort of provides additional perspectives, and you can help people God realized in many languages, many languages. Yeah, yeah exactly I've actually been practicing that specific thing. And there's also a lot of neuroscientific benefits as well with gray matter as we're sort of progressing into that on a scientific side of things. Sebastian. The next question for you is about who were you growing up when did you kind of pick up your interests, even what were your interest before you got interested in spirituality and stuff like that and then how did you get interested in spirituality. So, so, before spirituality, and I was basically interested in video games, mostly video games, and at like 12 or 13 I picked up anime from my other brother. So that was pretty much it. And I was skipping school a lot because I hated school, like I literally skipped like 100 days out of 200 basically. Wow. So, I was very, very socially anxious, starting from around age 13, because I had a lot of friends. Oh, I also was basically a thief. I was stealing phones and stealing a lot of stuff from people because we were poor, and I always wanted stuff because well I wasn't God realized. So I was stealing stuff. Still, I kind of had friends and stuff like that. So I definitely loved spending time with my friends listening to music and Lincoln Park stuff like that. So yeah, that was a nice period in my life until like 13 and from 13. I basically, well actually before that at 11 I was bullied a lot because I was very short and Georgian and there is a show in Israel that basically portrays a Georgian short person on TV and he's super stupid also. Basically you short midget Georgian stuff like that. So yeah, that was horrible at the time right now I wouldn't even care. But so I was bullied for that. But after that I made friends with these bullies and everyone in class basically. But at the moment when I went from so from like the starting school middle school and high school right how elementary school. So from elementary school at the last year I basically broke contact with everyone I knew I just like in retrospect, it was like a calling from God basically because there would be no other reason basically. So I basically just left everyone they they did not suit my taste basically I like there was an intuition that they were fake and I did not want to be with them. Wow. And so after that I basically I still had friends a very small group of friends but at some point I became identified with being socially anxious depressed stuff like this and at like 16 or so it was peaking I really wanted to kill myself I was browsing some forums and sites that were also not very helpful for that they were only making me more identified and stuff like that that was not the ideal environment to spend my time in but in retrospect it was it was the ideal environment because that pushed me to to suicide and because I was pushed to suicide and I literally could not bear the pain anymore of being identified with being socially anxious and depressed and stuff like that. It was like I had a choice it was either I'm going to kill myself or I'm going to have a mystical experience using psychedelics. So I took the psychedelics with my friend, and he had a very bad trip but I actually had a very enlightening trip I was in the in the middle of the trip I basically, what did you take. What did you take. LSD I took 150 micrograms of LSD on a sugar cube. So, and I basically after a few hours I was in this place near a lake, and I was looking around and the trees were alive and I never had this kind of thing before because so much identified with thoughts that you don't even see the aliveness. And there is really but you are to identified with all these concepts. So that was very amazing and definitely I felt a calling to continue using psychedelics because I felt like they could bring me even more realization more aliveness. And that was, I just knew I had to to continue using using them and utilizing them to have the best life because even the moment even a few hours after the first trip. I basically my social anxiety vanished it literally vanished. I went to the mall and my friend was more anxious than me and he's not even socially anxious. And I'm just going through the security guard. And I'm pretty much tripping right kind of at least like it was like eight hours into the trip so not really really tripping, but still basically under the effect. So, some kind of ego dissolution definitely happened with no doubt. And that basically help the social anxiety to vanish. And I felt great for the few days after. So, I took 200 micrograms of LSD, three days later after my first dose, and then we went with my friends to a restaurant and I looked at the restaurant and it felt like this was some kind of restaurant for animals right because on LSD, the ego is so dissolved and they're so it's it's not human beings anymore is you literally see that it's an animal in front of you basically. So, and so I was, I was just watching them eating meat, because they were eating eating like chicken wings and it was just the most insane ever it was just insane. And then we went outside and I was just looking at at like I was just walking, and it felt like the sun I never saw the sun and the sky and it felt like I don't know how to describe the, the, the perception, but whatever, whatever there's nothing here that I can really share too much. So, after that I continued using LSD, like, maybe one once in two weeks or so. And at some point actually a few, probably a week after the second dose I took LSD again 100 150 micrograms and I actually had like a realization that like this whole world is for me to explore like there was literally that was probably the first one the first time I, I realized like intuitively right I did not yet have the concept that I am consciousness but it was like I'm totally free from the past. Basically, I really, really there was an actual realization that like there's there's freedom and there's so much to explore and I cannot really talk too much about the next trips because I really don't remember too much. But at some point I also had a trip in which I realized Brahman basically I was looking at the mirror and there was just, at the time I had no idea what the hell was happening right but there was just ego death basically. Just that memory and it really like it's a very, very strong memory that pushed me towards God realization because it was this, this picture of me looking at the mirror, but there was no person. It was just pure existence. So that was very, very powerful. Wow. That's probably what I'm going to share for now wait. What was the question again by the way, what exactly was the question. How I got into spirituality let's continue to to this. So at one point I took another dose of LSD. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'll hit the I'll hit the ball back and then we'll keep going. Wow. Oh, so this is a lot of similarities here. Besides our lineages are shared language. I also played a ridiculous amount of video games growing up. I listened to things like Lincoln Park I also stole a bunch of shit growing up. I was also bullied called jelly belly because I was fatter. I also broke contact with a lot of people to explore more of the world. I didn't have as severe of what sounds like depression and social anxiety. Like, yeah, it was at the level that I basically I could not go to the store. I was afraid to go to school because if I was late in one minute. There was always this one person who says, Oh, you are late, you are late and I could not bear that. So basically even when I went to the store and someone talked to me or anywhere someone talked to me. I would I would blush very hard and they they would comment on that and then I would start also that you know, like, yeah, mumbling on your words. Yeah, and that exacerbated the anxiety even further. So yeah, it's it was like it was absolutely insane. I was I was totally believing the thought that says I'm unlovable, unworthy. And at the time I was really identified with the desire to have a girlfriend. And because of the social anxiety that basically denied that blocked it, that even the possibility. It got me even further into depression and stuff like this just kept building up one on top of the other. So much trauma pressure cooking the piercing of the valous veil. It was perfect. Yeah, it was perfect. Yeah. And what. Wow. It's crazy seeing you in the state that you're in right now, just four years later, after being so depressed and social anxiety that you wanted to commit suicide, and it's so fascinating seeing that because I it's so insane. I mean, imagine you in that previous state that's a, you know, that's a completely different reality. It's so, so crazy. So, also, what else was interesting was that there's a lot of the planet is currently waking up again to entheogens slash psychedelics and their ability to. Awaken us to ultimate reality. And in many ways, they have been for thousands of years by indigenous cultures around the world and then in the especially 1960s and the counterculture. It was very quickly seen that the denuclearization of the family and too much openness too much liberalism. Awakening happening too quickly that needed to be choked down. And so the complete illegalization of everything. And that's spreading around the planet. And so it's really good that you ended up finding LSD. And this is currently being done by maps, the multidisciplinary association of psychedelic studies we've had with Dublin on the show several times we adore what they're doing across all of the different entheogens and showing the to break through properties of them to this God realization. They got breakthrough therapy awarded by FDA and support everything, all the, all the research done on substances like MDMA and all the other entheogens also definitely that can help and heal so much definitely and awaken of course. Yeah, exactly. So the side been as well, five MEO DMT, Iwasca, they already There's many more and even cannabinoids and it's really interesting that you were at such a time that basically required you to have something like a breakthrough because you were so identified with your thoughts. And you were missing the aliveness and LSD did the same thing for me in my really early 20s, where I also saw the aliveness of the trees and the planet at that level. And that was so profoundly shifting for me as well. So my question would be, where did you hear about LSD and how did you hear about the process? It sounds like it ended up being quite easy for you to procure because you were doing it once every two weeks or so. You mean purchase? Yeah, it's like to get it from someone. Yeah. Yeah. I see. So, and I repeat the question, please. How did you hear about LSD? So how did I hear about LSD and how did I get it? Okay, so I heard about LSD because I was looking for medicine for the social anxiety. So the first things I noticed or read about were Xanax and SSRIs, but Wow. Even to take Xanax every day for the rest of my life, I was so desperate. SSRIs, I read that they only had like 40 to 55% success rate, so I was like, no, this isn't going to work basically. So I was not willing to take SSRIs, but Xanax was, I don't know, somehow this dream did not allow it, basically. So yeah, I continued reading about mystical experiences. Somehow I stumbled upon them and I was reading about shrooms and LSD and somehow I was smoking weed at the time, right? You can purchase weed through telegram very easily. In Israel you can get all kinds of drugs super easily through the telegram. So I could just purchase some LSD through the telegram and go to the other city, take the LSD and go back to my city and use it. So it was super simple and until the day I left I could take like, I could get like DMT, Changa, 2CB, weed of course, LSD, shrooms, what MDMA of course, whatever, like whatever I could easily and readily get everything I needed. Wow, you were so pressure-cooked by the suffering that you were researching Xanax and SSRIs and so many of the perverse incentives that exist because they are subscriptions for life. And you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Can you please tell me what exactly it means perverse? Yeah, the perverse incentive is like an incentive that is not aligned with the two parties. It's aligned mostly in favor of just one party to extract from the other party. What exactly is the point you are trying to make so I can understand? That with Xanax and with SSRIs, they are basically more like extracting from one from the victim to the company because otherwise if we were smart we would say instead of Xanax and SSRI, let's give the person an entheogen and they can, like you were researching, they can break through more efficiently. Basically, they want you to make you a slave zombie for life basically. That's not ideal for the society, but it is ideal for the companies that are making money. Is this what you're saying? Yeah, it's worded aggressively. The slave zombie for life. Yeah, exactly. But really though, so that's what we call perverse incentives is things like that. Wow. And so I'm so happy that you could just get on Telegram and get some and okay, cool. So that's how that happened. And then I'm really happy that you had that trees becoming alive for you. And it's a really interesting story that you tell about being so caught up in thoughts. And then also that you weren't able to see that. And me too, I was also like that. And then in the early 20s, I saw that and I was like blown away by that. And then it was interesting your story about when the, when that default mode network in neuroscience when there's that the mental models and concepts that we have about the world when they are so aggressively tight on our worldview that it makes it so that we can't even see how silly it looks to see humans sitting there, eating chicken wings and they're human, they're human animals. And but you saw that because you had that loosened your worldview and that tightness was loosened through the entheogens and you were able to see that and those were some profound revelations for me as well another massive similarity. And so I like the what you said about the whole world is free. You're free to explore the whole world how that revelation came in it was sort of some of the spiritual becoming more interested in what the freedom or what that consciousness is. And then it sounds like several trips later maybe like was a six or like 12 trips later that you were looking at the mirror. Oh, probably like around six, six trips or so. Okay, so six trips. So now, let's start here and then we'll keep going on the spirituality. Sorry. Yeah, continue. So specifically this question is before we keep going on spirituality is take us to what happened when you were looking at the mirror. And was this also on LSD or it was okay so this was like the seventh trip or something like that. Let's say yeah I really don't remember something like that yeah exactly cool. Okay, so what happened well what nothing happened. That was the first time nothing happened. Right because always something is happening oh this is happening this is happening but there was just pure awareness basically there was no actual realization that this is pure awareness, but in retrospect I could look at that and see what actually happened there right with the later and intellectual understanding that I built on top of all of this ego dissolution happenings. So after that, and I also had another trip a few trips later probably I really don't remember exactly I want to I want you to unpack the moment if you remember it any more detail I would love for you to unpack sort of the, when you're your Sebastian key and you're looking at yourself in the mirror, and then within a couple of moments, you kind of recognize the awareness itself. And not exactly okay it was not that I recognize the awareness it was like the ego dissolved. So I did not even recognize the awareness at the time there was just bliss pure freedom. That was what was happening and I don't have too much memories from that day itself. I do remember I want to share that there was one day where I took the LSD and I was listening to music outside on the on the on the rooftop, basically, and I was listening to music and and man I was going crazy I was going crazy I was listening to trans music and I was super shy I could not even dance with myself like I did not have the, like there was too much ego identification so you could not. I could not even let loose with my own self right. So, yeah, I took the LSD and I started dancing and it was super free super fun super blissful. Possibly it was this day that this happened. One day I was also like I'm just sharing right now some LSD experiences I was looking at the sky. And like, there was just so much bliss just insane insane bliss because you're so present with no ego right. So, at the time you are identified with the ego so the bliss looks insanely insanely strong right now there is bliss, but it's like it's like the bliss is normal at this point it's like you're stabilized in the bliss as the bliss so it would not be so amazing right. But at the first time when you are still identified and you realize there is bliss, then it's amazing. So I wanted to share that and a few trips later I took another LSD. I'm not sure how much it was. And I pretty much realized that I'm eternal like it was again it none of it is intellectual at all at that point. It was I was just sitting on my chair. My mom was in the in the other couch. And I was just like I was pure awareness basically there was absolutely no ego that was like probably the most that was the strongest you could say ego that that I ever had it was like, I was literally God at that point. So I was I was literally looking just at a pure like just my apartment right and it was eternal it was literally eternity. It was realized that this is eternity literally this is eternity. There was also an intuitive recognition that there is the conditioned mind I still have no intellectual understanding of anything happening even at this point. But there was an intuitive realization that there is an egoic mind and I need to fight for my spot as pure awareness. So it's like you become a like an intuitive realization of being a spiritual warrior. That's what that's what it was basically. And yeah, this is what I wanted to share and this is for for now, if you have any comments I can continue to. Yeah, I can continue to see if you have any comments. Yeah, thank you. My primary comment here is that I love how, in a sense, LSD and entheogens in many ways. They dissolve that contracted energy of the separate egoic entity and then they enable the God realization in many ways. It's in a sense it was like training wheels it sounds like for you it was kind of like training wheels into bliss seeing bliss feeling bliss, etc. Training wheels and then eventually you stabilized without LSD in a sense and that became the God realization that's sort of how the finish with the with the story so I would like to. Yeah, yeah, good, good. Okay. Yeah, and I love how you recognize that even the moment of being in your apartment you just recognized eternity as well. Yeah, it was clear as clear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I even started posting in the Instagram, like listen guys we are literally in eternity right now celebration stuff like that. Exactly. And that's why people like Francis Lucio, who's the teacher of Rupert Spira and whatnot he calls all of this happening he calls it the eternal fireworks. Fireworks is a very good description also I resonate with them. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's like actually the awareness that is, you know, like it's basically like a firework itself it is the source firework that every single moment it's And it's basically this whole dream is like the the the after effect of the firework the firework itself is like the source and everything that appears in front of the firework is whatever is happening right now. Oh, yeah. Yeah, brilliant. Exactly. Brilliant. Yeah. So, so I love that realization of eternity it's so important, especially in the modern world because the belief of physicalism, infinity and time and ego and all those beliefs. One needs to in a sense reject those and take this intuitive leap to eternity. And that's one of the way to one of the pathos paths. And, and I'm glad that that was a yeah. It's beautiful so far. Let's so let's continue. And I'm glad that we also got to those fireworks. Oh my gosh, those analogy. I know. Yeah, okay. So, and there was another trip. Wait a moment. There was another trip where basically and love attraction was realized basically on an experiential level because again on LSD basically all of these realization. Realizations I have no idea what any of these things are literally they're just spontaneously arising and being revealed to in front of the consciousness. So, and so love attraction was realized again I cannot I don't want to right now experience and sorry conceptually tell you what it actually how I see it right now, like how I would explain it, we can go into that. But at that same day, there was a person I was browsing Reddit, and there was a person who sent me a message on exactly 444. He started talking to me and he told me that he felt a calling to send me a message and to share with me some resources about God realization, and he sent me Moji on YouTube. Perfect. A ton of books. Perfect. I talked to him for like an hour and 11 minutes so we ended the conversation on 555 completely spontaneous just random. And yeah after a few weeks or so I started looking into that. And I started watching Moji. That was very resonating but still I was not extremely consistent with that so I watched it I watched it like, but still I was working at my part time job and what was not really part time, I can say, in Domino's pizza. So, and you're like 18 years old or something right now. Yeah, yeah, I was 18 or so probably. So, so you weren't to yeah it's not full time dedication to get to God realization quite yet. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It was like eight hours a day. I was working in Domino's pizza. So, and where was I, and by the way I have a question quick before we keep going you got the Moji resources will get right back we'll get right back to it. What was the reaction of your mom, dad and two brothers to you using LSD and healing and healing from your depression and social anxiety. So, and basically I first the first time I did it I did not tell them right I'm just I just took it. And after a day later I told them listen I took LSD, and they were like, they were pretty much okay with it. They were okay with it. And after like happy. And they were like pretty much okay with it. Yeah. That's great. Yeah, yeah, that's great. Exactly. Yeah, no, and especially if you're telling them that you're healing depression and I did not tell them that I just took LSD, because at the time I did not know what exactly were the effects. Other than, I'm not sure if I even mentioned that it helped it helped my social anxiety I did tell them that it is for depression and social anxiety. Yeah, I believe I told them I believe it can help me, but there were no actual I could not say this is going to work definitely. So, that's great that they had enough openness. Yeah, because yeah because if fam is takes the hammer down and begins to beat the entheogen out of the child's interest that's in society, doing that to that's changing, more enlightened civilization. Yeah, continue please. It's a divine dream indeed. So, yes, the gods help me. Yes. Exactly. So you're, yeah, so you got them. So interesting you got at 444 you got the God realization and Muji resources from someone on Reddit, and you're working eight hours a day at Domino's Pizza. The call ended at 555. I love this. I was asked about how they, they, what, what were the effects and after the LSD, and how it affected my family. So around half a year later for because at this point I was pretty much a bit experienced with the psychedelics. They saw an amazing and, and like it was like a person that is socially anxious and depressed is now extremely joyful all the time basically will not all the time because there was still no stable God realization but a shit ton of ego was resolved pretty much like and it didn't didn't come back still some ego was there was still identification with thoughts there is no doubt was, but, and so how it affected the family. So half a year later or so they saw the, the, the, the huge change and they decided that they are also going to use LSD. What. My aunt started using LSD also because it saw how, how amazingly it changed me and my older brother also started using it. And my mom started using it and my dad experimented with it. And we started basically using psychedelics and regularly in the whole family, except my little brother right. Oh my gosh, this is the future. Let me tell you, even though, even though they did use the LSD they did not really go for God realization even though I was there to like a few years later I told them listen listen this is God realization like this is the only thing that even that matters, but they were still not willing to let go of their attachments of how they saw life and stuff. So, like, I cannot say it was probably helped in some way to expand their consciousness but not for God realization so it can still help people to have a bit more fulfilling life and be less identified with their thoughts. But like ideally you would just use that and utilize that for God realization not just take it and have some ego dissolution but actually go all the way because otherwise it's like for me, like I don't I don't see a point in that like I do see a point and at the same time it was like go all the way. Yeah. Charles Bukowski love that one. Go all the way. Yeah, and that's what the perennial wisdom is about is drilling all the way through the veil all the way to the ocean, all the way to God realization and the veil is veil and it's cool that fam ended up expanding their consciousness in that sense. And so now we go back to the story where you got the resources. Yes, we got the resources yes so pretty much. I'm not sure even how much time has elapsed at that point, but around probably around half a year after the resources or a year after the resources I started going into it and more strongly. And at some point I wanted to leave my family because I pretty much literally because I was so I saw reality so clearly that they actually were looking like demons to me. Right. Yeah. And like an egoic thought that they are demons. No, just they are literally completely delusional and they are perpetuating ignorance and suffering and they're not willing to open up to God. Right. Yeah. You're pretty much a demon. Wow, you are very. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay, just just because even here is such a sensitive thing where we were talking about this for a little bit when we first started chatting before we recorded where there's so much attachment to family. And that I must be the one that brings God realization to my family. And there's that level of attachment is not wise. It's not graceful and also to have the wisdom to look at the expression, the dreamed expression of what they are. And see that their level is in a more egoic contracted state and if they're delusional and they're perpetuating suffering and that they're not opening up to God realization to know how to gracefully distance yourself in this case you'll explain your next steps in your trajectory here to us in a moment, but to also have the bravery and the courage to do that. So I just want to plant a big flag here because it's really important for other people to hear this, because it's the wisdom to be able to distance yourself from your family into what is more space and freedom for yourself to bathe in the God realization to abide in it more and more and then, and then opened you up to like potentially us now and what's going to flower even more so. So just a big flag here for people just remember that these are some of the most important bifurcations in the trajectory is to be wise and recognize when to leave the nest in that pursuit of piercing the veil as fail. Yeah. Okay. At that point it was like it was even like a bit scary like it was not like again it's it was not an egoic fear it was literally a fear that that like it's God telling you listen this is not it this is not it you really need to get out of here. You really need to get out of here. Yeah, I cannot really explain the kind of fear drive that is pushing you to actually detach from your family. I also want to go back a little and share one time I took an LSD trip again, and I went to the rooftop and I was just sitting in a meditative pose even though I don't really think it mattered much. Anyway, I had this realization of how much suffering there is in the world and how it's absolutely insane but there was like compassion was absolutely overflowing I knew that I'm here to to be the peace the love the compassion and the wisdom for everyone in this planet. It was like a point of, of recognized responsibility that I have to God realize I have to be God for everyone I cannot like it's not a and and it's not about anyone else it's literally just for for for existence basically it was like an existential responsibility to be what you are to be love because nobody is embody nobody even knows what love is they associate love with attachment that's like the the first and thing from love it selfishness so yeah I wanted to share this and beautiful. I had a similar experience like that as well. So I love that. Alright, so now you have this courage and the bravery to actually go and how do you piece together that and then how do you piece together the kind of the finances and actually pulling the because you had like 1000 checkers it's like 12,000 dollars saved from my job. So I could just leave like I could just leave the home at some point there was the decision appeared to leave the house and to just go to some other place. And is this like, is this like September 2020 or something. It was. No that was in 2019 in around November or sorry October. Okay October 2019. So, a year, a year ago and like three months ago. Yes. And so, so yeah so where did you go first because this is before Bulgaria so where did you go first. Yeah, so I went to Switzerland to meet up with a friend but that did not work out because it was extremely expensive there. So I can share another experience that happened there that at some point I did not want to spend any money because it was extremely expensive it was like 120 dollars for one night stay in a hotel in like the cheapest hotel there. So I could not afford that so at the, at the first day in Switzerland, I basically slept outside in some kind of cabin of the bus station. Yeah, it was super cold. Yeah, and but at like 7am I just realized okay this ain't gonna work I have to buy a room and I'm just going to fly from here to Thailand because the island is extremely cheap, so I could spend my time there. So, yeah, but at some point I wanted to go to the airport in Switzerland to fly to Thailand and a car stopped me on the highway and it told me what are you doing on the highway come into the car and I was okay let's go into car into the into the car. And they drove me to the airport and bought me some some food and some water, and then they ordered even a hotel room for me, they literally ordered a hotel. Okay, for free. And the room number was 222 and I just decided like there was the decision appeared to take 400 micrograms of LSD and that was tell let me tell you that that was not a smart decision. That was like, I went extremely into an because the ego resisted. So, yeah, I got into a delusional loop of absolute paranoia, and I thought that these two people who ordered the room for me, they were going they specifically did that to then kidnap me and kill me that I actually believe that. So I just took the most valuable stuff like my phone in my wallet and I just ran outside of the hotel. I started running like, like literally the fastest I ever ran probably like, well I don't know I don't want to say a speed for no reason but I literally just zoomed out of there. Yeah, I was I was running for like probably a kilometer at least just sprinting and because you are on LSD you have this extreme power in your in your everything you're just, and you're able to run super fast and super powerfully I cannot explain but these are one of the effects of LSD you can also work out more effectively and stuff like that so you can probably run more effectively also and at some point I just sat down I needed to relax but everywhere I looked even there, even though there were pretty much no cars, I was extremely paranoid I really wanted to just sit down and meditate so I looked up a park, the nearest park on the map, and I wanted to go there. And so I started walking but the park the park was closed so I sat near a building I just sat there was doing nothing, and some car drove by, and the guy went out, and he told me what the hell are you doing here what are you doing I was like, it was like 3am right I was just sitting there like what the hell am I doing there, it would look weird to anyone right, and he was like what the hell are you doing here but it appeared to me as if he was aggressive, and the paranoia was still there. So I was pretty sure he's going to get a gun out of his pocket. So I was just okay okay I'm leaving I zoomed out of there as fuck. I zoomed out of there to another park and then I got a bit more detached from that and I just called the taxi okay let's go back to the room. And then I just slept and stuff like that. I started reading about healing the inner child, which actually was probably a waste of time because the inner child is the one that you should slaughter that is basically the egoic mind that is the one that is blocking your realization basically so healing that is pretty much a waste of time in retrospect, but whatever it happened also I utilized a lot of MDMA will not allow probably like three four times to heal and open up. And because the first time I did it it was insane it was it was super profound. I also candy flipped LSD with MDMA, and that was super super amazing let me tell you these substances are so cool. So. Okay, so what where was I on the storyline. So, you. Yeah, the Switzerland move and after that I went to Thailand and I took. Okay, so you did. Wow. Okay. Cool, I was because this is interesting to make the transition to to Thailand and also that that trip that you had that sort of it's it's sort of important to have this wide variety of trips where there are these experiences that are like what you described a delusional loop and and it's it's it's important to shit is it I've had I've had some like that. Totally. Yeah, so that is why now sorry. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. Okay, so now that is why I recommend because I don't really like a lot of people swear by having this delusional loop on LSD. They're saying no if there's no anxiety then it's not good, but that is just their egoic mind it wants to still be attached. That is why they like the anxiety they say the anxiety is necessary in the trips. Because that is exactly what is holding you still identified, but if there was no anxiety you could just realize God a completely complete ego dissolution with no resistance. You want the anxiety because they're afraid of completely letting go. So that is why I recommend using utilizing fanny but substance that kills anxiety. It's legal pretty much everywhere, and you take that alongside the LSD and you just have the most blissful God realization trip. So you don't need the anxiety you don't need the delusion loop it's not necessary. It's my perception right now. So that's what I wanted to share. Yes, and agreed that the more intelligent and wise that we become the less we'll perpetuate the ignorant delusional loops and the more we'll be able to ask children just infants to come into the world is to help with the pedagogy and the infrastructures for God realization at very young ages. So, okay, so yeah, yeah, and available because there was one experience when I tried to enlighten my little brother. Right. And I told him listen, what is this reality what it what is everything. Right. And he actually realized experientially that this is a dream and he was like, he was literally as if he was on MDMA he was just 12 he was just absolutely blissed out. He realized that he is God. He was literally completely impersonal with me I was impersonal at that point. I was aware of being aware, and he was impersonal with me and it was just just beautiful. Very beautiful, because it's just, well you cannot really explain the connection that is between oneself with oneself like myself with you right now because we are literally one. There is no personal identity which is the most retarded thing ever. So from from Switzerland, I flew to Thailand and I had another trip with the fanny but this time I took one. Sorry 1000 micro milligrams. So what what is this what so what is Fanny, but F H E N Fanny, I B U T, but be you. Okay, P H E N I B U T Fennibot. Interesting. So any but oh and also spelled F E N I B U T. Yes, is a central nervous system depressant used to treat anxiety insomnia for a variety of other indications. And many people describe it as close to MDMA or close to an alcohol high but without the the confusion it's super clear super sober, and you just have bliss and ego dissolution basically. Okay so close to an MDMA high and super light basically and it's like 12 to 18 hours. 12 to 18 hours. It's very light at some point. Oh, okay, okay. It's like it peaks after three hours for like six hours or so. And then it's it goes down. And then you call it candy flipped when you add the LSD to it. No candy flip is when you add MDMA to LSD and then when you add Fennibot to LSD. Have a name but we can probably make something up. Okay. Okay, cool. I think that the Fennibot is also the prescribed in Russia I wonder if that's where it's for me. Probably. Okay, but it's available like you can order it in the in Europe or in the US, you can probably. Okay, cool. Okay, so then you did this in Thailand. Yes, so I took 1000 micrograms which in which is a medium dose, and I took 200 micrograms of LSD. And that was the most blissful experience ever like there was just how are you getting these in Thailand are you are you bringing these on the air. Yeah, I took it on the airplane. I hid it inside the Fennibot bottle, the tabs. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Okay, continue. Yeah, you had very blissful experience. Okay. It was the only blissful experience it was like complete complete ego death. Okay. And there was just so much gratitude and love for myself as the as the fifth time and I was looking at the mirror and there was a recognition that this is this is like literally a fifth dimensional being right now, which I'm perceiving. Right and and I was that I was like that which is perceiving behind the eyes. I was the spirit itself. So I was the screen just empty screen and it was super clear and just so much love for myself as spirit, not as a person. So it was just amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing. And yeah, this is what I wanted to share and from there. Okay, okay. So in Thailand, after a month or a month and a half later, I was sitting in my room I had pretty much no LSD left I only had Fennibot, but I was not using Fennibot on that day I started reading the book of Gangaji. Yeah. So because I had these experiences on LSD I realized what it is referring to is the this this loving awareness that I fell in love with basically. So I just realized that okay, I am that I'm just not going to believe any thought any feeling anything that tells me otherwise. I'm just not going to believe that I know I just know it and it was just, it was not not just intellectual I just like there was just this spontaneous recognition that I am that like, everything makes sense basically. And so from there, I did abiding as the awareness like always in remembrance of what I am. Yeah. And a month later, I started. Well, even at that point I started writing on Reddit, a lot of posts, helping people to realize what they are and I was recommending the utilization of substances also. But yeah, so I'm saying that I was really pretty much God realized a year and two months ago. Yeah, December 2019 right. It was probably like November or December. Yeah, cool, cool. So beautiful. Yeah, I just continued on this on the helping people and continuing utilizing psychedelics for even for further like dissolving of whatever remnants whatever contraction ever right because you have this guidance on Rupert Spira's channel also is your recommendations that are here are there to help you to to unpack all the whatever is left and continue dissolving it because it's an unending process. So I kept using that and dissolving more and more and more for the God realization to flourish more and more and more. It's a family right because I saw they are very much delusional and I have no interest in staying with them. I was literally like, no just remove myself from that completely. But at some point I went back and it was realized again like no, no, no, no, no, no just no and this now I left four months ago. Okay, so okay so you left like around the beginning of 2020 from Thailand back to Israel. Yeah, yeah it was around February. Interesting. My mother did not yet come back to Israel because he was stuck in Georgia because of the COVID that arise. So I was still just with my mother and I helped her realize all kinds of stuff. She didn't help her but it, she was not willing to just let go. Exactly. Exactly. Drunk every day. And I told, listen, this is not going to help you with God realization. No, okay, listen, I know this is important, but she probably only said that because I was pushing her to that. And I'm not going to be an officer. Every time I'm looking at you and telling you what to do right I'm not going to like pursue you. If you don't want it, just don't want it. Exactly. So yeah at some point my father came back and then I saw just just how delusional they are how they have these retarded arguments over nothing and they suffer for no reason. And it's just what the hell am I watching and it's what it was just super just just silliness. And I realized just leaving this is not going to work. I have no interest in that. I was asking for donations four months ago and with the finances now I was just using the finances that I had from donations that I made the made the Instagram page and I was asking for donations because I knew that I have to leave. And like $1,000. I just left I just I don't know how I'm going to bring more money or whatever I just trusted that this is what I have to do there's no other option. So I just left I just left on the moment's notice. Yep. Exactly. And yeah just YOLO. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here we are now. Okay, so I love how you in Thailand, ended up recognizing that you are that and also the abiding, which is, which is it. We are in the non dual tradition we are already it always. And in the dualistic concession, it's, there's something to do there's something to seek there's an abiding that needs to happen I need to abide more and more to it. And which will unpack more in a bit. But, and I'm glad that you found that it's so critical and then that is the diamond necklace that's already around your neck. And then, again, there's this thing, it's just it's always, it happens so much to people where there's like, I'm going to go back home, I'm going to do the God realization for these closest people in my life. And again, it just, it didn't work, and it was very clear to you and then it was like, time to go to the next step fundraising via the Instagram I'm glad people came in and helped you out to be able to leave to Bulgaria. And I'm also really glad that you caught on quickly about the family has retarded arguments for no reason. That is the essence of the perpetuation of delusional suffering. And to recognize that is really important and then to gracefully and wisely distance. So it's good. So, okay, so now you left approximately in that September 2020 to Bulgaria or so. It was October again actually it was just a month a year later, after the first time I left. Perfect, perfect. Okay. So, so, so, since then, you spent about three months there. So, and most recently, about two weeks ago moved to Istanbul, Turkey, so, because that's how long you can stay three months at a time without visa just. So, what did you in the last three months it looks like as I look through your, your Instagram, and you look through ours. You very clearly see that we're, we're getting transmissions from many of the same people so what have you been doing these three months in past three months in Bulgaria first. Let's start there. So, pretty much just abiding. Yeah. Like, what can I say more. I don't know. At some point I ordered some LSD and funny but there was a calling to again utilize these substances and go even deeper into this. Yeah, this is what was happening. Cool. And what is your for you what does the abiding process look like over those three months. I don't really know how to really explain this, but I really I really don't know how to even comment on that because if someone asks me how to like, what do I do with this okay I realized I'm the awareness or like there's an awareness ever present awareness that I would tell just. Ideally, you would realize there's an ever present awareness and it would just be enough, because that that's it, and it abides by itself like the awareness is abiding by itself it's not like someone is doing something. So, but I guess if you are too identified, even if you notice there's an ever present awareness somehow you get pulled into the delusion loop, and it doesn't necessarily happen on psychedelics you get into the solution. So we're also. Yeah, like you were saying with your, when your family's having stupid arguments. And mine in minus two that's the delusion loop exactly happens to sober people with their ego all the time. Exactly that's like actually 99% of people are all in a constant delusion loop. So I guess if someone is is frequently getting into these, then I will tell them no listen just don't identify don't identify so probably that that was the key. Don't identify it was not that I'm abiding as the awareness and being aware of being aware it was more like, I just noticed whatever appears whatever thought appears, or whatever feeling or sensation appears and just don't identify the abidance happens by itself the awareness is already here. Yes, don't leave any thought emotion sensation perception or experience don't identify with it. The awareness will stay clear by itself. Yes, for me it's been a lot similar to that. So, there's almost a relaxing in a sense backward inward, as well as been kind of also one of the. The feelings and the analogies that we use so frequently are really salient the the emotion thought feeling perception belief object is the cloud, and to recognize yourself as the sky, the ever present awareness of the sky. And that sort of the analogies whether it be also the ocean the ocean, and then the waves, or the blank paper, and the words, or the, even in the modern world, the screen, and then all of the modulations, which is one of the analogies that you used when you had that abiding process awakened to you felt the emptiness of the screen and that's what it is the emptiness of the screen and we talked about the fireworks analogy so that empty screen gets the eternal fireworks display. The screen would probably be like a metaphor means like, or another word for like, oh analogy analogy. Yeah, so, so the screen, like, there is no real separation between the screen and the movie right it's the screen, but if you use the fireworks. It's like the fireworks is the projector. And it's always like burning every single moment it's showing the screen right and the screen is what's happening basically like the movies was what's happening from the projector. Like the sky and the clouds passing and the sky is the firework, basically. But of course, you go further into it and you realize that actually whatever appears in the sky or in the green is just the screen itself modulating the pixels of itself, appearing as if there's a but actually the screen alone is there. So it sounds like something important that has been helping is the faith and the trust and the surrender because there's been a good amount of people that have come and helped support you and I'm so happy that that's happened. That's critical and hopefully we can help you resource for that as well. Yeah. The love that was revealed through ego dissolution and through ego death. It's like, you just know something is here for you. So it's like you can just throw your life away basically in trust and faith. You just know that that something loves you so much that you just can trust it you literally just. Yeah, no, it's not like even you have faith or you believe or hope. It's like, you just know there's so much love that. Wow, I'm really happy that we got through the story because my goodness. It's very unique. It's very unique and it's, and there's critical components to it like the massive pressure cooker suffering being like a drill sergeant, and then finding the end the agents. That is actually why I want to expand on my posts. Why I'm so aggressive because I am being that this drill sergeant basically, and it's people push even if they unsubscribe unfollow they hate me. It still touches something inside them that that makes them realize that this is not how life should be this is not my full potential. And this even just one post being read so aggressively, they just that that in the long term, it somehow helps. Interesting. So, I noticed that about Sebastian's posts on Instagram, I am eternal life, the links in the bio below that they're very, very God realized, and they're also very aggressive so as he just described a moment acting like the drill sergeant. And I think that's a really interesting angle because basically everybody else in the God realized space is doing it like an angel. And so, in a sense, I do my best to kind of be somewhere along the middle grounds of that. And I do think there's a massive role for the more hyper direct aggressive. I mean, there's something that when I took the LSD and there was this initial ego dissolution. God that was realized basically because you are much more open to God and its intelligence flowing through your body mind. And it was very direct very tough love. You understand so it really resonates with me because that's how that's literally how God loved me. He loved me with not like petting me necessarily. It was very tough, very, very fierce. Yeah, I just follow my spirit. Wow. I see. I see so God's love for you was really hard drill sergeant style awakening. And so you follow that spirit and passing it along. Yeah, yeah, I'm falling. At the same time, it was fierce at times, at times it was also very, very like, like feminine. Right. There was the masculine love that is very tough. And there's also the feminine side of God's love that is much more gentle much more just just hugs you just gives you a kiss. On my end, I've had similar style, yin yang of that more drill sergeant mixed with the more warm bath, in a sense. And in combinations of the two and it's yeah it's been those are loving it loving the loving the convo. I'm so happy that we that we did the unpacking because so many profound insights happened for me along the way as well around just the sheer difference of entheogens is a really important one because and the perverse incentives of a lot of the pharma. I like how we got to eternal fireworks, God realization stabilization in the bliss those are so good so good. I'm getting a being wise and separating oneself from delusional family perpetuating suffering, abiding as awareness recognizing you are that. Let's do some of the topics that we like discussing on the show the journey was so so beautiful. I love it. I love it. So, let's start with, let's start with simultaneity. Another way to say it is integrality. So being integral. Please expand on this. Yes, yes, feel free to ask anytime. So integral is when everything is accounted for. Similarly with simultaneity it's when simultaneously everything is accounted for what exactly do you mean by everything is accounted for. It means everything. It's like everything and nothing. It's when in this case, let me I'll just explain it and then we'll go. We'll hear how you are you think from here. So when when we say simultaneity, what we say is what happened like 1000 years ago was the formulation of the Taijitsu, which is the monist symbol that also has the yin and yang within it. So it's the monism one with the yin and yang so it's trying to showcase the expression of the non dual with the expression of the dual. The dual within the non dual. Yeah, exactly. So the dualistic concession within the non dual exactly. Yeah. And so that's why the idea of simultaneity has become really important or integrality, which is that it's not that it's not just that everything simply is and isn't just non dual. So the dualistic concession, which is that there is something to seek, there's something to do, because when somebody has suffering. What they're looking for is they're looking for the vortex of people at the top of the mountain that are like what you had like why did the person send you Muji. They could have easily sent you like some other like self actualization coach like a self help book. Right, but they sent you Muji, which is a love which is self realization or God realization. So there is some sort of in a sense a hierarchy to the dualistic concession in the terms of people around the planet that understand the absolute that understand infinity that understand non duality that are enlightened that are God realized etc. And so for us to hold both at the same time where a non dual, there's nothing to do everything already is an isn't that's it. B, which is there's a dualistic concession which is there is a mountain so we call this the flat mountain. So the flat is the non dual, and the dualistic concession is the mountain. So how do you feel about, because, obviously, we can't describe the ineffable. The number one thing is to just not use symbols to try and describe the undescribable just just abide as peace and bliss and child like awe, and wonder and just surrender to the flow surf on the crest of the expression that you are in the dream. And there's also the, along with the ineffable. There's also the. Well, one of the most fun things to do is for us to try and use symbols to play as close as we can to the ineffable. So how do you feel about about that. Can you like formulate the question in a. Yeah, let me try. So, how do you feel about the ineffable how do you feel about trying to use symbols to describe it, like what we were saying was simultaneously, like the absolute. Yeah, yeah. I don't really describe it and at all it's literally it's literally ineffable it's literally beyond all description beyond beyond awareness itself. So, I don't even even touch that subject unless someone approaches me and asks, like, what, what is that. And then I would, I would tell him that that's where the awareness comes from. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's the perfect answer. So, actually, a few months ago when I took my first big dose in a while LSD of LSD, like it was like 120. Right. So I took the dose and there was this realization of that, which is dreaming the awareness itself. Yeah, that is the absolute cannot be perceived it's but it is recognized that it is literally dreaming the awareness in which everything appears. So it's like, that's, that's the clearest way that I describe it. Yeah, it is. It is. Yeah, from my understanding, that's the clearest way to describe it as well. Yeah. If somebody comes up to me and asks me, well, what is that absolute. Oh, that's where the awareness comes from. It's actually funnier than it was perceived before. It is so funny laughing at this because it's really, it's so profound. And it's like so simple. It's like, yeah, yeah. That which dreams the awareness. Because I also watched some of the tenuous videos of the infinity series. Yeah. And it was very resonating because I had the intuitive recognition of what of the absolute but he actually explained that there's this like the infinite infinity itself dreams like a bubble of consciousness that's just the pure awareness that is eternal relatively and in the awareness appears like whatever comes and goes right but even even like the awareness itself it's timeless but it's still, it came from somewhere. It's not literally the infinity itself, even though it is unlimited, whatever appears in it, anything can appear in it in that way it is unlimited. And beyond this consciousness just pure timeless consciousness, there's the literal infinity itself. So definitely I loved how he also expanded on that. I recommend also checking out if you haven't already the infinity series that is free on his channel. Likewise with Bentinio being a profound influence and also that coming in with many of these intuitive realizations. And when we tap into Rupert Spira a bit or Bentinio or a little bit of Ramana Maharshi, Nisargata Maharaj, Mooji, etc. We pick up something unique like with Ramana Maharshi I picked up Sahaja Samadhi. And so it's like the Tantric path or the middle path or the middle way or the Goldilocks zone. It's when you take Sahaja your sudden enlightenment when you take that and you do the met you take that and you weave it into your daily activities integrated integrated exactly. And so I take these beautiful bits from all of these different it's just so incredible it's such a that's one of the most important things in my opinion to do which is to create a lattice work or conceptual framework or a world view that is very perennial. So I pull a lot from Yes, so so perennial means it's found across the planet. So meaning across the planet that different mystic traditions across the planet point to the same one end. So you pull a little bit from like Sufi metaphysics, and then you pull a little bit from Dowda Ching, pull a little bit from Dzogchen there about a Buddhism from entheogens from the Old and New Testament from all these different sources. What happens is you gain this incredible lattice work that makes you like makes you like a ninja. It's very indeed indeed it is very cool to be able to read from someone from an enlightened enlightened being that you never heard about but you see what he is typing and like for the normal person it would be what the hell is he talking about and you have never read these words but you know exactly what they mean. This timeless wisdom has this passing along and to be on the receiving side of it after dozens and dozens of visits to these concepts seeking. For me, it was five years and five years of knowing what you are seeking exactly like God realization I'm seeking this or like seeking just happiness and you did not know exactly what it is. You know the latter. I see. So in that in that sense then it would probably be like for four years for me, I guess. But it was actually recognized as God realization. Exactly. A year ago or so or a year and a half ago probably. Yeah, and for me, it's probably been like six weeks. Because I would go to talk to Vamasi you are that I am that we are that and I would see that a couple dozen times over the last let's say couple of years and especially like this last summer. I would be looking at that and I'd be like we are it we are it we are it. Yeah. And like it would be so fun to, in a sense, recognize myself today the way I see myself. Six months ago is that the way that I was getting it was not from God realization but from oneness, in a sense, it wasn't from non duality it was from oneness. These are very interestingly intricate. We have to unpack the words for it to make sense, but it's something like oneness can mean in a very physicalism way oneness that there you go that's probably the easiest way to put it. If you think about oneness from a physicalism way. That's probably where I was six months ago or so I understood the significance of consciousness and significance of spirituality and these types of things, but I didn't understand that really originates like the awareness itself or even beyond because I would say that the oneness that most people are relating to is like the sense of connectedness the sense of unity with all human beings or with all beings in the planet itself, but they don't actually go the beyond that which is the realization of awareness which is where all of this dream appears from and beyond that. So perfect. And that's why I really like the words physicalism oneness. Yeah, that's probably one of the best ways to put it. And so, in a sense, we revisit these concepts. So we were talking about this lattice work and all of this timeless wisdom coming down through the Upanishads or the doubted meaning or the Old and New Testament or the Sufi metaphysics or the end the Agents or Theravada Buddhism Zen Dzogchen, whatever. It's coming from all of these different mystic traditions as different faces, different paths to the same one end. There are different flavors of ice cream, but they're all ice cream. And you, I would look at this 12 months ago, I'd look at it six months ago I'd look at it, even, you know, two three months ago two months ago I'd be looking at it. I have that last breakthrough Satori until about six weeks ago, where even the physicalism itself became more and more illusory in the prioritization of awareness and slash consciousness as God as the God of realization and that being shared. Among all 8 billion units in this creation design and then then all of the other creation designs happening. And then in the last whatever two or four weeks is when the further is like, Well, what's the last thorn, well the last thorn is awareness itself. And that's why you said that what is the ineffable is where awareness originates from. So, you know this is so so fresh and so new. You know, to me and it's really cool. I love the fact that you're here so young is so important and it's really important for us to, to galvanize the resources to help you sustain yourself and grow and prosper. In a sense you're very much like our younger brother and that is really important for us to help and also in many ways the older brother as you also share wisdoms that really resonate with us and teach us as well. And so this is really sacred and beautiful and Yeah, I adore the the tennis is what we call it. We call it tennis. This is tennis. It's like the. Yeah, we're just hitting hitting the the ball back the same one. Exactly. Yeah, it's the same one in two different units that are dreamed hitting the ball back and forth talking about itself. Yeah. Yeah, it's hilarious. It's so funny. I'm glad that we got to also physicalism oneness because I hadn't had a descriptor for it before but that's that's really the descriptor for it and the leap. It's a very intuitive leap that has to happen to the eternity of awareness as the prior as the prior. And that's a that's a difficult leap for people to make until you give them the analogies the dream analogy is a good one. That's probably maybe a good place to go. And that's also probably another good thing to mention to you is that, although you are very much in the abidance of the awareness itself. For you to also continue to look up. Are you familiar with words like Maya and Leela in Sanskrit. Familiar. Yes, but I don't really use them. Like for me Maya would be just the play the dream itself whatever appears on the most superficial level. Yeah, yeah. Yep. And then Leela is the divine play. It's very much synonymous. Yeah, very similar. You're very similar. Yeah, exactly. So Leela is more like the divine play the game that the one is playing and then the when you are trapped in delusion Maya is the intoxication. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So precisely. And so basically what I was getting at is that as you build, it's still important for you to build out this sort of lattice work because being 20 and being where you're at right now is amazing and fantastic. But the more that you pick up the sort of profound truths, aphorisms across the different timeless mystic traditions and and put those up in your lattice, the more and more, it will not only become natural for you in abiding but also for your ability to help to get it one on one's more efficiently folding by itself in the dream there's a natural attraction to exploring all kinds of different paths, paths, and like, and pretty much what you are describing. And even now, even though theoretically I could just leave all videos alone I still every time a Rupert Spira or a Shunyamurti or or Muji or a cartoli post a video that I watch it just naturally not not not even for any purpose it's just so natural it's just unfolding. So natural just unfolding exactly that's good that you are doing that's great. Great. Probably a good place to go. Next is the dream, the dream analogy because as above so below. As we go and for a third of our lives go and sleep and then for a good portion of that we simulate out a dream and immerse ourself into it in the first person observer perspective. When we do that. There's no separation between the observer and its environment. You can't have a dream simulated dream without an observer. So this as as that's below so as above would be God's dream. The ones dreams, these creation designs as dreams, and we are that and we are the immersed first person agent. And so, how do you like the dream analogy, how do you tell the dream analogy. It's very, very useful. And I always use it use the dream analogy in the way that basically the same way that you go to sleep, apparently. And you have a dream, right you have a dream and you dream a dream body a dream universe. And you are not the dream body you are not the dream universe it's obvious to you that you are not the dream body not the dream universe. It's just appearing temporarily, but you are not that you are the consciousness that is aware of it. But the same way right now this is the exact same dream that you are not this dream body you are not any of this universe you are that which is dreaming it you are the consciousness modulating itself in the present moment to appear as the the universe as the body, but you are not literally any of the dream the dream and the body and the universe comes and goes but the consciousness itself is what you are. So that is how how I how I use it. I want to share that the more you are the ego is dissolving you are much more lucid in the normal dreams also like not in the waking state dream in the dream dream in the dream dream. You also have much more lucid experiences you actually wake up to the fact that this is a dream literally inside the dream, not even with any practice you are and I am not practicing to be lucid in my dreams but it's happening by itself I start flying consciously literally consciously moving around the dream watching the the the scenery watching the trees, looking at objects in the dream and seeing how they are similar to the waking state dream, and it's absolutely profound very very beautiful. I've never had the experience where in my dream. I become lucid. So in my simulated dream at night laying in the bed. So in this dream, I go to bed and dream where I become lucid, and then I choose to go to bed in that dream and then make another dream. No that did not happen to me. I just want it just came up while you were saying that though. That would be insane. A dream inside a dream. Oh my gosh, the simplicity of this is right under our noses. It's closer to us than the images on the screen. That's so funny. Yeah the way you describe it is great. Do you feel like the reason why you have. Oh, wait let me pull up your quote first. Your other dream quote is a, if you know what you are the dreamer of dreams, then you are not able to suffer. Yes, expand a bit for us. So the dreamer of the dream refers to the consciousness that is modulating itself to appear as a dream. So when you know that this is a dream, just like if you put a VR set. Okay, you get into a game where there are people shooting you, you will not be afraid, you will not suffer the fact that people are shooting you. It's basically just, okay, it's a play. It's not real. Right. So when you realize this is also a dream, whatever appears is not real. It's a VR set that you are seeing. Basically, it's a dream, then you are just not able to suffer you are not identified with whatever appears. So the same way, just like it's basically God realization if you know you are the dreamer of the dream. You are the dreamer of the realization you are not able to suffer. Exactly. I'm glad you took us into the VR territory as well because you would never be playing a video game in the character. Yeah, suffers in some way, and to mistaken that for an actual experience of suffering. It's like even if you put a VR set you play in a super scary game like you have jump scares and stuff. Okay, even if you are there, you will not be suffering. You will not be like that. Oh, okay, it's just a game just to get exactly. Yes. I'm glad you took us into that VR territory. It's probably a good time then to also ask you if you because you played a lot of games growing up. I played so many games growing up. I played a lot of Sega Genesis I played a lot of PlayStation one and PlayStation two PlayStation three Xbox played a lot of Xbox 360 played a lot of PC games like Warcraft and Age of Empires and stuff like that. So Starcraft so what games did you play and then I'll ask you the follow up question after that. I played a lot of games like stickman I guess stuff like that on the internet. Yeah, yeah, games on the internet because they're so old at this point. Yep. I played Maple Story, Counter-Strike, Combat Arms, Call of Duty, Stalker, League of Legends, RF Online, Terra. That's pretty much what I remember right now. Maybe if you continue expanding. Yes, yes. Yeah, when we play Call of Duty and we begin the battlefield, you know, when we begin the the game of Call of Duty or battlefield when the characters spawn in Team Deathmatch we don't say that they're birthed. And when they die we don't say that they die. Just playing a game. It would it would be very much actually similar to how this apparent reality works when this body-mind dies you just spawn in like another body-mind spawns in its place. So like if you go to sleep and you have a dream and you get run over by a truck, did you die? No, you did not die. There's just another dream that replaced the other dream. So what you are can never die when this body-mind dies in the apparent waking state. It's just another dream. There's there might be another body-mind or might be some kind of formless dream. Maybe you don't even have a body-mind. You just are some in some kind of other dimension in which you don't need a body-mind. Yeah, anything literally anything. Yeah, exactly. And then outside of this the restrictions of this specific creation design itself where we go outside of the the two eyes and four limbs and the the carbon-based DNA encoded vehicle and we go to some formless being that you pop into that expression of and really well explained as a hit back. I liked that one a lot. That was good. And so is the in the dream when you die you get run over by a truck you move on to the next stream and in the game when you there's no birth and death of the characters and yeah, and that's that's why I believe Rupert Spira talks a lot about the whirlpool the whirlpool analogy is a pretty good one in the field, the field of whatever we want to say the formless the field of the formless of awareness. We can say that the whirlpool of this unit personally like I don't really use the whirlpool analogy it's not very too clear for me so I don't use that. It's too clear or it's not clear enough very clear for me in the ocean right in the ocean. Yes, there's a little whirlpools. Yes, and the whirlpool ends and the next whirlpool begins something like that. I see. Yeah, I see stuff like that. It's very simple actually. Yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. This is another good part about the tennis getting close to that. Yeah, it clarifies. It clarifies a lot. I learn a lot. We help one another a lot. Yeah. So, alright so the follow up question to the video games is. Do you feel like what we're building right now with artificial general intelligence and indistinguishable virtual realities and neuro link and bio and neuro technology all this type of stuff it's it's being synthesized into what's called like the metaverse. Basically, have you seen Ready Player One the movie? No. I recommend watching it. The idea is that in a couple of decades those technologies will become so good that we'll immerse ourselves into these infinite designer realities and that we will go and play in them for, you know, 80 years or something. Like Sword Art Online, if you watch the anime. What's which anime? Sword Art Online. Oh, Sword Art Online. Interesting. So they have a VR set and they put it and they have a literal world, a creation design in which you are inside of it and it's basically a dream within a dream. Wow. Cool. I'm looking at it right now. Interesting. So, near future and play through various virtual reality MMORPG worlds. Yeah. That's what this is. Do you think that's what this is? This is pretty much it. This is a parent waking state is like GTA 5 with upgraded graphics. It's literally, look, GTA 5, just GTA I guess. It's literally just an open world game. It's literally what God is playing right now. Yeah. Interesting. So it's like the, it's almost like, yeah, waking state is GTA and then it's like, God is like the decentralized kind of like. Playing the controller. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Beautiful. And I'm going to check out Sword Art Online. It kind of reminds me a bit of, did you ever see the Midnight Gospel, Duncan Trussell show. He kind of also enters into all of these different virtual worlds, but that's, this is pretty cool. I'm happy that you pointed me to this. Very interesting. I definitely have heard incredible things about anime and I haven't dived in in too much. Yeah. And yeah, the signal, finding the signal is always the thing. So you, I feel like this is probably a good signal over instead of the noise, you know what I mean, signal instead of noise. What do you mean exactly? You know, like when if you go on like, like television and you click through channels, it is basically a bunch of polarization propaganda and people trying to sell you shit that you don't need and all this type of garbage. This is if you like go and like buy the doubted shing or something. Okay, but anime I would not say it is like the doubt the chain, but. Well, well, Sword Art Online is probably at least. It can probably help you and make you like bring up some creative ideas. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I know, I know, I know. Cool, cool. Yeah, because it's important to point people towards like what are like the best signal in anime. And would you say that Sword Art Online is some of the best signal. I would not say that I just mentioned it because interesting VR and stuff like, what is some of the best signal in anime that you found. I really, I really cannot say. I don't think any of them really touch like anything super profound but if your eyes are profound if you are God realized then you will see profundity. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. And yes, we profound basically. Yeah, I told you before we started the show that I feel like it will be a good idea to potentially see as we sort of get into some of the financial stabilization growth on on your end, if we can potentially explore maybe even having your unit in Los Angeles and potentially producing together the animated series that we've both been totally cool. Yeah, it's great chimps is awesome but it was even cooler when before I even mentioned it to you, you told me that you also had the vision for it. It could be amazing. It was because it's fun. It's light. It's just animation. And at the same time it will, it will actually make you like, holy fuck this is this this relates to the actual reality you can actually become God realized or become pulled or thirsty for it through the animation. So it's totally amazing. And it can be like just just if we if we go into it it can just expand in amazing, wonderful ways. Yeah, chimps making people thirsty for God realization. Yeah. And that's just the first sentence. Yeah, exactly. So, so you do feel like what we're building right now with the metaverse technologies like here with the going through various MMORPGs, you feel like this is that and this is what exactly that in the next couple of decades, we will have built out the technology that online. Yeah, yeah, to go in. Yeah, pretty much pretty much exactly as possible. There's no doubt. Too hard in my perception. Yeah. And I and I feel like that's what the Godhead is. And then it goes into the tail again. And then it goes to the Godhead and then there's the tail again. In reality, we're not going to come back to this one. We've already explored this one or experienced it, but there's going to be many as an infinite. Well, that's what infinity is you can, you can never finish infinity. Yes. It's already probably already went through infinite cycles we're probably experiencing this dream very specific very unique dream for the infinite time already because well it's infinity, even if there are infinite amount of dreams. They already went through the infinite infinite amount of times. I like in the map analogy is a really good one because the map is in video games. It's bounded. What, what, what is the map analogy. It's bounded the map in the corner of the screen in the game like right here. It's, it's a bounded map. Okay. But infinity is unbounded. There's no bounds. And so you can never finish exploring basically exploring there's there's no end to Lila, the divine play, there's no end to the divine play. And when I got that. That's just that's it. That's what happened. But at the same time, that's why we continue doing this. That's what Sahaja Samadhi or the middle path or middle way is, is, is when there's the weaving of the realizations into the daily activities, because there's also the lazy fish as Fred Davis talked about on the show because you're the fish in the ocean. You are the ocean, but you can think about like your fish and ocean and there's like lazy fish that happens and it's kind of funny because yeah sometimes people can get really Will you expand on this. Yeah, it's kind of like people can become very fuck off in a cave. And people can also become trapped in Maya. And that's what the middle way is. You don't get trapped in the worldly sensory pleasures, and you don't get trapped in the cave. I don't think if you are God realized and you go to a cave you're really trapped it's it's literally God's will in that case. And it's also God's will in the case of Maya. It's also God's will. Yeah, there you go. Exactly. And the, and the middle way is to God realize and to weave into the talk, the tantra path of the social fabric. Yeah. It's all. Yeah. So that's why when you look out and you see people that are chasing Lamborghinis and houses and yachts and private jets. Just today I was just seeing again another one of these like become a millionaire in one year. And I'm like, my goodness. It's just. Yeah, so that's God's will. That's it as well. So, yep, because the parable of the prodigal son happens where somebody goes and they're like, that's what I want that's what will make me happy one million externally seeking. That's the breaking point and then they turn inwards the consciousness or awareness. So, cool. And then maybe another good topic is that what have you, what have you found so far about this. I haven't found anything you and I just talked about a little bit ago, which is that is the reason why you and I have so many of the same teachers is the reason that they are the ones that are playing the best tennis closest to the ineffable. I would say they're just very simple, very clear, very direct. That is why we are gravitated towards that. Beautiful. You don't want to waste any time we just want the God realization and beyond we don't want to basically waste waste time on and like other stuff. Because I definitely have no interest in that. That's why even a cartel. I'm not really watching him as much anymore because he more relates to the very unconscious people. I don't see them at that stage, but Muji and Spira and Shunya Murthy they they in a in a higher level, we can say, of course, there's no doubt that a cartel is extremely God realized, but yeah. So that's a great way to put it is to speaking to those that are most intoxicated by Maya, whereas maybe Shunya Murthy and Rupert Spira, Muji are more for those that are already in the the physicalism oneness, let's say, something like that. They're on the final stages of of actually realizing basically exactly. Of course, not all of them because you see many people on Muji that they're not even serious about that they're not they're not really going to God realize anytime soon probably that it happens. Like you I remember one time, there was this one person who says I really wanted I really wanted but he was not willing to actually see and abide. But even though he was asking questions and asking questions, if I was Muji, I would just, okay, listen, you are not going to get it right now. Sit down maybe some other time it will work because it was clearly seen that there's no way this guy is going to actually because we are at the last stage okay listen, there's an awareness that is ever present isn't it so, and he's just saying, no, no, but I don't know. So you're not serious there's no way. So I would just tell him sit down that someone else speak that actually can get it but at the same time he was they were talking and they were talking and another person stood up and said, while you were talking to him I got it I got it you cannot see it it's it's what's seeing. Yeah. I love it. I love it. It is what is seeing. Yeah. I love it. I love it. That's what St. Francis Basisi said that you are seeking what is seeing. Yeah. Yeah, we're looking for what is looking. Exactly. Yeah. Yep. Amen. Yeah, I like our little breakdown. It's a, it's, it's a good way to view it is sort of the different levels, those that are most trapped in ego might gravitate more towards an Eckhart Tolle and those that are a little bit more and like the personal states or the oneness states, they might gravitate more towards junior Morty or Rupert, Spira, Mugi etc stuff like that. That's cool. A similar one to Eckhart Tolle will probably be Adia Shanti as well. Adia Shanti is another good one for, yeah, interesting. Interesting. Do you have other ones that come to mind that you think fill the level of either like the Eckarts or the Ruperts stuff like that and into those categories? Well, Eckhart, like Eckhart would be, I would say Gangaji doesn't really point to the absolute, to the infinity. It would probably be also for the people still very much identified to at least open up at least a bit. It's not even saying like awareness, right? So I would probably put Gangaji in that category, although she probably has books also up in a higher level. All of them probably have books on all levels, right? Similar to Eckhart Tolle would actually be Osho too, but at the same time. Interesting. Also at the same time he. He's gotten higher levels. Yeah. Yeah. Ramana Maharshi of course, very high. Would you put Ramana in closer to like Ruperts or closer to like Bentinio's? Oh, Bentinio is very high of course. Very direct. Ramana would be very, very, very simple, very direct. Also I would put it like Rupert Spire basically. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. If you have any more names and I can probably Nisargata probably up. Also the same as Rupert Spire basically. Very similar to how Muji is agreed. Like it's not you who is suffering. It's the person you think you are. That's super clear. Yeah. Yeah. So what about, do you know of other people that are closer to the level of even pulling the last thorn, like Bentinio says around awareness and then recognizing that as the absolute do you know others that are in the That would be that would be Muji. Muji. Okay. Bentinio of course. They're probably the, like they're the ones coming up right now. I'm not sure of anyone else. Like I don't remember anyone else. Have you studied the Neo Advaita teachers? Oh, like Newman, I was actually watching. Yeah. He's considered Neo Advaita, right? Yeah. And he learned from Tony Parsons. So I was actually watching it yesterday. And when they say this is it. They refer to consciousness, basically, but they don't say consciousness. They say this. This is consciousness. Well, in how we are referring to consciousness. So yeah, like what they're saying is basically there is no me. Me is illusory, illusory, which is the personal identity. So I completely agree with that. But if you take it out of context, it can be very stupid, very silly. That's, that's why Bentinio talked about it like it's unstable, like Neo Advaita is unstable in a certain sense, because it's, it's trying to get people direct to, in a sense, the absolute, rather than taking the first step to the awareness. It is taking you to the absolute though. It's actually taking you to the awareness because when you say this is it. How much, how much Jim Newman and Tony Parsons and Fred Davis, how much of the Neo Advaita have you watched? I watched only like one video of Jim Newman. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So I'll break it down a little bit more for you. The, the, the way that it's generally portrayed is something along the lines of this is a dream. This is an illusion. There is nobody here. There is nobody here doing anything. And that's very much like the absolute, there's no one here doing anything. And they definitely touch a little. But how I would interpret, there's no one here doing anything. It means there's no personal identity doing anything. In that case, it's just the awareness level. It's not that. Sure. I think they're declining even the awareness. That's what I'm trying to say, but That's just not how I'm seeing it. Okay. Yeah, maybe, maybe after taking a moment, then I can also see. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Point how actually it is referring only to the me to the personal identity. It's not saying anything about consciousness. If someone asked, is there consciousness. No, there's only this they would say, but that's just because consciousness is a concept and you think there's no consciousness, but actually, actual consciousness is beyond knowing in a way beyond conceptual knowing, which is what they refer to as unknowing and knowing is actually just pure knowing in how I would say stuff is And then they would say that there's no, there's no knowing happening. There's no conceptual knowing happening. And something like there's no observer, right? So there's no awareness. There's no consciousness. There's nothing like that. In the personal sense, like, I'm observing as a personal identity. I'm observing. No, but there isn't observing and observation. So let's put it into three levels. There's the physicalism, where it's the contracted ego, and then the leap happens up to the observer or God realization or witness and stuff like that. And then there's the next leap up, which is removing the thorn of even the observer or the awareness that then brings you to the absolute though, no attributes, no agent, stuff like that. So ineffable. And so what I'm saying Neo Advaita does is they go directly from the physical and then they say that there's simply what's happening in this appearance. And that's that. And that's all there. And then that's what in a sense they're trying to get people to leap up to that recognition of just simply the appearance, this. And so what up when rather than that one step in that's why it even sometimes looks like it's, it's just it's very unstable in many ways, but yeah, this sort of idea of a two step God realization and then removing even that thorn. It's a much more stable step, but I appreciate the hits back and I would probably also need to figure out a little bit more with sort of the instability of the Neo Advaita teaching in a sense it's like the egoic consciousness gets to just say, Ah, it's all a dream. Okay, I will go back to thinking I'm a separate entity in a dream. So, so in my, in my perception, it appears that actually this is it when they say this is it's just pointing to God realization it's not pointing to. Okay, yeah, fair. Okay, got it, got it, got it. Okay, so that's cool. So then that would be potentially maybe like, Tony here, something like that. And then, yeah, I love those three sort of tears that we talked about those are really strong. It's a really good way to sort of visualize it. It's kind of like mass media spirituality, and then like those that are really trying to God realize and then those that are trying to recognize that the absolute or ineffable yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. So, probably the last question is, what has it been like now with the one on one private sessions in terms of how are you you just fielding people like via the DMU. And they're like I would love to sign up or they sign up on your website and then what what is the process. There's a specific link. You just order a session in a specific hour. Very automatic. And I get an email, and I just, we just have this session, we probably communicate in the end also. So walk us through what what it looks like do they have to fill out any information, like for example for me, the way that I handle the, we know we call this mirroring right in the tennis is like, excuse me, that the in a sense the more purified the God realized mirror is the more they can vortex up and help the other mirror purified clean up. And so usually what I do when I undergo this process is I ask questions to understand where they're at in God And so, how yeah how do you yeah walk us through your process. It would be very spontaneous so I cannot really say what exactly is my process. I come very unprepared, I see what the person has to say. And from there, we go and realize God together. And there's no doubt that you are able to realize God like there's no there's nothing blocking you and if you say, but something is blocking me but I tell you I'm not aware of that because the awareness is the awareness block. No, it's not black. That's it that is God realization. So I just gave you a spoiler. It's beautiful. Yeah, there's nothing blocking you. What is blocking you. What is blocking the awareness from being it's already here it's already ever present awareness is already aware. There's no there's no blockage that that's just a thought that you believe but there's an awareness of it that is the key the awareness is the key, not whatever you think is the key. What is blocking the awareness from being here. There's nothing blocking the awareness from being here. Just recognize the diamond necklace that's already around your neck. The awareness is the key. And yet it's so hilarious how it's actually the the most funny thing is how difficult it is to recognize the diamond already around our neck. It's so difficult that at first I thought, okay, this is so simple that everybody get it, everybody will get it. But at some point I realized this is not working. It's not working as efficiently as I thought it would. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like you. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. You go. That's when I decided that, okay, listen, follow my petri and use these anthogens that they will force you to disable the ego so you can recognize what is real. And from there it will be much smoother it will be like something gets deleted. Whenever you use psychedelics there's no doubt. So as you repeatedly, like the same like as if, as if you're abiding and do these yoga meditations on Rupert Spires YouTube channel, you follow that and it dissolves more and more and more. But at least get to the point where you realize what the hell I'm talking about very clearly from there you will you yourself will have this absolute clarity and thirst on what you are actually looking for. And from there it's much easier to to just tell you listen there's an awareness. Oh, okay, there's an awareness. Okay, that's it. Just don't identify with anything, but most people cannot even like understand like that the mind is so verile for them that they are just not able to It's weird. It is. It's, it's so interesting that we're wrapping up on this exact point that the realization of the diamond necklace is so profound and it's so beautiful piercing the vales veil. And it's like, fuck, it's that simple and then you go and you take the gold over to other people, and you're, you're like the diamonds there like that's the gold the diamonds right here it's right here this is what it is. And then you're, you're, and then you watch as like all these ranges of responses from like I'm trapped in physicalism I don't know what you're talking about all the way up to things like, like, they'll like make jokes about it, but they won't get it. It's so weird when that like they'll make jokes they'll be like ha ha yeah yeah all oneness yeah ha ha yeah the consciousness is there. It'll be like, it'll be like also like fuck lol ha ha ha but they don't get it. Yeah. And, but there are those, and it is so so auspicious. When you actually point to someone listen that the awareness is here isn't it. So who is struggling who is looking for what and he says, no one. He actually understands. He actually realizes at that in an instant with no second for nothing just realize the awareness is ever present. And that's it you are the awareness now. And that's so profound that's so beautiful. And then they comment thank you thank you change my life, you made me realize I have no problems I don't exist. And that's, and so so simply. And like some other people that just just cannot get it, but that is exactly why I have this guidance on the Patreon that allows you to no matter what kind of delusion loop you are in. I hope to just disconnect from that completely and realize what I'm speaking about. Yeah. Yeah, I love that through every Maya delusion loop that and that's ultimately the nature of what this is is all these different Maya delusion loops across all of these creation designs, and then just that GPS callback as it says, of Union yoga, hinnosis mystic. Where you got realize who is like a cartoni by the way. Oh, yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah, another. Yeah, yeah, that's another good one for the masses. Yeah, I agree. Yep, that is another good one for the masses. Yeah, and that it's as simple as the recognition that awareness is ever present and that awareness is already here there's nothing blocking that and then the thing about that is to be careful because when somebody breaks through and gets it, we're talking about this with Fred is that people can break through and get it, and then it's great. But then the, if they don't in a sense, undergo a process of recognizing that the light bulb. As Adi Shanti says, you want to stay on rather than just the flicker. It still requires you to not in a sense, go back out into Maya seeking the intoxicating pleasures and so there's in a sense the abiding is something that not everybody recognizes right away, and that they can go they can get a taste of it and then go off for 10 years distracted and then be like what the like. Yeah, type thing I had this moment with my mother actually I pointed to her to the awareness and we and she was. Oh, she got it for a moment. She was, oh my God, are you abiding in this bliss all the time and I'm like, yeah, that's that's like normal. And, and she just after like five seconds, she starts asking trivial questions again, like why are you doing this. Like, and it is like it is nonsense like exactly here every day listen these things come and go they don't matter. Just abide as the awareness but no it's just not working it's like they don't realize how significant this awareness is. Yeah. And we got to be careful to not make it a personality teaching is another thing that Fred pointed out to us that I thought was like, like, like, there's, there's some people that talk about how, like, some people will try to put a descriptor onto the ineffable. And they'll say that all the ineffable is anarchic, or it's creative or it's a divine play it's lila and whatnot. And we have to be careful because any of those can become personality teachings in the sense of when we do things like saying like, come to my $1,000 retreat and I will tell you ultimate truth. That type of thing. So then there's a very, there's a very delicate sort of transmission that needs to happen that is very strategic and surgical and precise, and that is not in service to Maya but is rather in service to the ultimate and also basically what you're saying is not just make someone intellectually understand what you're speaking about and then they just use the intellectual understanding and they say as if they have actually realized experientially what you're speaking about. Is that what you're referring to. So maybe maybe more so that two things first of all that we color the absolute in the sense of like the absolute's ineffable and then we color it with these descriptors, but it's attributeless and yet we color it so we did not see anyone who actually did that. Okay, okay. Fair. Yeah, I've seen a decent amount of in a sense people that are coloring the ultimate and then charging lots of money for it type thing. And so there's a there's a balance to strike between using money as a fuel for sharing as close as we can in as humble of a way as we can, while, and the sort of opposite side of that is to sort of charge ridiculous amounts of money and also say that my truth is the one truth, and nobody else has it until they get it the way that I have it. So it's like, that's also really important to sort of just recognize you don't there's no, like, we take our, our unit is the diamond, or the jewel, and the jeweler the diamond it refracts the source of light in its own expression. And so when this unit's expression and when your units expression, each one of everybody listening's expression tries to play tennis around the ineffable, they're doing it with their own units coloration. Did that make sense. I just, again, I cannot really relate to that too much because I don't see anyone coloring the absolute, if anyone would color the God realization, but the absolute like, okay, fair. Yeah. Anybody even talking about the absolute really so. Yeah, fair. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Yeah, so spot on. There's nothing blocking the awareness that is already here. Always already ever present and free awareness. Thanks for coming on the show Sebastian. I love learning about your story. So profound. So crucial that you found and the agents to help you break through. Definitely. That is why it is totally my recommendation to utilize these things because I do see who many people who are just intellectually understanding awareness basically, but it's like you you see them and they are there still identified with the mind. They don't realize it. So that is why my point thing is my highest point thing would be to follow the guidance on the Patreon and realize experientially utilizing the theologians, because there is no doubt there there is no intellect there there's no way for an intellectual understanding. It just disables going mind and you're able to actually understand and and it gives you a huge powerful boost of source basically, and definitely it is absolutely crucial, even. You can realize God without the agents, but I just cannot. I cannot say I recommend it literally. I just I just cannot. I've done so many on the entheogenic buffet and they've helped so much I like how you say they disabled the ego. That's why the literature scientifically is clear about the quieting of the default mode network and the enabling of so many new novel interactions to happen in the connectome of the neural wiring diagram inside of the human brain. And that's what enables you to recognize the trees being alive, because you've never recognized that before because you've walked around with a little tree icon in your head. When you undergo some entheogens you recognize, holy shit look at the sunlight shining through every single one of the leaves and look at the pattern that it's making on the ground and look at that chipmunk that just ran through and the squirrel and the birds and look at the squirrel. One, one time in Switzerland, I was just sitting near the huge, huge lake, kind of look like an ocean. And I was looking at the sky and it was a clear day, there was the sun. And you just see how this is literal infinity, literally, you understand that this is timeless. And you just see how I cannot describe what you are seeing, but it's like you're just perceiving everything in such a different light that super profound just just the perception itself is so profound. And then you remember how it looks and you are able to connect to that was sober too. So the way you are realizing the profound truths on psychedelics on entheogens, you are able to connect to that kind of vibration within yourself and able to perceive and realize these things on the on the instant to instant. You don't have to to only be tripping and then it works. It you literally it burns itself into the consciousness. And then we rebaseline to that when we're sober as our natural state, bliss, peace, infinity, eternity. We see the divine everywhere everywhere we look we see God's face. It's like entheogens would be like Rupert Spira has these yoga meditations right the entheogens are just the same thing but like 10,000 times more powerful. Well they disabled that egoic default mode network style. Yeah, because otherwise you can't. It's so much more difficult to disable. Yeah, exactly spot on. I'm, I'm super agree that that's a massive gateway. We have to be more serious on as a planet about the gateway event the agents. Yeah. Yeah. Beautiful. I mean, yeah, so many things that we kind of crushed in conversation there, the eternal fireworks as well. There are so many good things. Sebastian, thank you for coming on the show. We love you. We're so grateful. Thank you. So cool. So cool. This relationship now this year. It's divine. So divine. Divine relationship with anyone is divine but this is like a extremely divine so it's just it's indescribable. Yes, it is. The pathos path to God realization an awesome episode of Sebastian key. Again, you can find his links in the bio below to his Instagram go and give him a follow he has great content there also his website and his blog his blog is great content go and check that out you can book a one on one session with him as well over there. And support him on Patreon remember our boy is in the process of stabilizing his own absolute and God realization and therefore financially also would love to be able to grow that and prosper so support him there as well. 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