 Happy holidays. This is Plus Politics and I'm Mary-Anna Konas. The year winds down. Let's take you through some of the most interesting conversations that we have had on the show in the year 2022. If you look at the wide raft of what we face, look, I was a reporter in this country going to the sites of all these terror attacks. I was in Abuja at the this day bombing. I was in Nyan Nyan when the motor park was exploded by Boko Haram. I was in the Catholic church that was exploded on Sunday just on the outskirts of Abuja. I was there, banished, same thing. So I have an idea of what we're talking about, when we talk about how bad things were and how things are today. I always marvel at the ability of some people to glamorize the things that are wrong in the country for narrow political ends. What I've always said is that if you look empirically at what has happened in this country from 2015 to today, as against what was happening before then, I'll remind you very quickly before I go into what we've done, that from 2011 to 2015, I didn't even mention the UN bombing, which was even the most catastrophic, is this. You had young boys in boarding schools across the north, waking up to terrorists entering their rooms with no light. They were having their throats slit. In the morning you have 80 boys dead on their bunk beds across boarding schools in the north. People forget that that was going on. You had bombings in markets in Kaduna and Kano and Kebi and Jigawa. There was no state, Sokoto, no state in the north where you were not every weekend. I'm not saying something that happened every month. Every weekend there was a new bombing of a new market. In fact, the incumbent president was almost killed in Kaduna by the same groups. The entire city of Abuja was a checkpoint. You were here. I'm sure you were there at that time or at least saw it. I was there. So the notion that we have not had a single bomb attack in Abuja from 2015 to today, knock on wood, it continues. We have not. The idea that, oh, good luck, Jonathan, now looks so good, I think is almost offensive given the facts. Then on top of that, the Boko Haram that you're talking about controlled about a third of the northeast of this country at the worst point in time. At the time we took over, they controlled several local governments. They were administering taxes and governing over spaces. MES had been run out of their thrones to IDP camps, local government chairman IDP camps. That's what was going on. Meduguri Airport was closed for three years. It has been open since 2017. It has not been closed since then. Now, I situate all of this to say that today Boko Haram controls zero territory in this country. The ISWAP faction that we all talk about that was controlled by Abu Musab al-Banawi. The commander, al-Banawi, is now dead. Under the leadership of this commander-in-chief, the military removed him from the battlefield. Abu Bakar Shekhar of the original Boko Haram, the commander that was mocking the man that you're praising now, good luck, Jonathan, in public on video, he's now dead under this commander-in-chief. Now you now say that... How did he die? So now he died once and he's fully dead and everybody recognizes that he's dead. So not only is he dead, the people he was fighting with are dead too. So there's really nothing to talk about now. I'm talking about Boko Haram. Now, in addition to that, in addition to that, you made the very interesting, in fact, I could see almost glee on your face as you were saying, if I spin this pen almost everywhere there's a problem. I will correct that notion. If you remember, you're wrong to state that Banditry was not a problem before. Banditry was a major problem under good luck, Jonathan. It's just that Boko Haram was such a terrible problem then that nobody talked about the Bandits that were kidnapping and killing people. Your government campaign... No, I'm coming. I'm coming. I'm coming. I'm trying to understand why you keep going back to Java. No, no, no, because... Your question... No, Marianne, Marianne. No, it's because of the... Of all trade, full of people were kidnapped and it took months to get them out. Marianne, I'll hide you. When you started... I'm sorry, but I have to ask this question. No, no, no, you're not asking a question. You're making a statement. Why do you keep going back to the Java Land Administration when you are a power? Marianne, this is unprofessional now. This is unprofessional. Well, you're here to defend the government, to help me understand why you keep going back to the Java Land Administration. No, no, no, you started by advertising Gulag Jonathan's administration, advertising for PDP. I'm telling you that... Did you not make the statement in front of all of our viewers that doesn't Gulag Jonathan look so great by comparison? I was almost shocked that you could say that on air. But listen to me. What I'm saying to you is that I'm making sure that you remember the reality instead of this fiction that you're creating for people. Yes, we do remember. So now, so now... So that's why I needed to make sure that I bring that out so that I can tell you where we've come. Now, I've said Boko Haram out of it. Northeast is a totally different place now. You're not having bombings across markets all over the country anymore. Everybody knows that. Now, the issue of banditry. We had a major problem with these herdsmen, farmer clashes across the middle belt for several, two or three years, 2016, 2017, 2018. We have seen a massive reduction in all the conflicts that we saw in the middle belt. Nobody's talking about that. Well, in Benway, are you seeing the casualties in Nassarawa and Plato, all those places that were very bad? Are you seeing them? No. Why? Because we established new forward operating bases, new military personnel groupings in all of these various places, uniquely equipped and operationally prepared to deal with those threats. They're not there anymore. Zamfara, I want to remind you of some of these things. Banditry that we talk about. Zamfara turned into the hotbed of illegal mining and banditry that they were even linked with previous state governments in Zamfara state. Today, Zamfara, nobody even talks about Zamfara as a security concern today. This is, no, it's a fact now. Why? I'm saying it on national television. I'm not afraid of being contradicted. And you also said Governor Autumn has been on the news every other week. I'm almost done with my point. I promise you I'm almost done. Now, the issue of banditry, the last major attack we had was on the rail line at Buja to Kaduna. You saw what happened there where, you know, they had the attack and it was terrible. We were able, fortunately for us, all of the people were released, all right? And we have thoroughly decimated so many of those elements in the forest along the Abuja Kaduna highway and all of that. My point is that it is absolutely true that we have security challenges. But if you compare it to what it was where you had people threatening to take over the governance of Nigeria, you can't even begin to make that comparison. So when we say that we're building on the platform of what President Muhammad al-Buhari has accomplished, we're not just talking about the massive armament of our military. We're not just talking of, you know, the success against Boko Haram and against bandits and killer herdsmen and all of that. We're talking about the fact that generally you can, while there's insecurity in the country, nobody can make a concrete case now that as we are today, today, that it's rising today. That is not true. It had risen to a point and it was rising. When you say 2016, 2017, 2018, if you said it was rising, I would have fully agreed with you. But we have definitely brought it down significantly and people can see that even on the basis of newspaper reports, how many newspaper reports are you getting of these incidents? We want a place that will be secured for our people, for people who also come from other parts of the country to do business here, to live here. We want them to feel secure because Lagos is a cosmopolitan place and it is the Komaysha, Nav-Santa, or the further Republic of Nigeria. More importantly, we want it to be such a place that people coming, foreigners coming from all over the world to enjoy the aquatic splendor of what Lagos state should be. And we believe that this government, this particular one has failed the people. Every morning we hear people from Abra-Madison to acquire four hours from everywhere in Lagos there is traffic red luck. I experienced it myself. I went to Equan, between Equan and Lagos, like you where I live, it took me six hours. So we have a city that is not planned. There is planlessness. It's not only the island, you go to Korodu, it's the same story. You go to Badagri, it's the same story. You go to Equan, you go everywhere. It is a disjuncted city where there is sporadic development. That's a proper, articulated plan for the city. And I believe that it can no longer be business as usual. That this particular APC government in Lagos state has failed us. It is a true. It's been coming from Borla Meditinubu, came to Fashola. After that was Hamburg and then the Quartet is the president governor. I believe that he should leave and let us have a better city for posterity and for a better environment. There is no healthcare facility in the state. We have water everywhere. We don't have ferries on the road. When I liked that it was in government. As civilian governor in the state there was ferry on the road, Babakikere, Itafaji. They used to come between CNS, Okokomalco and other places. There is this development going on at the D'Angueterre finery and other developments in the Kifuitreso. When they start operations we don't know how we are going to move in that axis. There ought to be a co-star role we have heard about Fort Mainland Bridge. Promises nothing is happening. If you want to go into a papa it takes you forever to go in and to come out. So there is no very cool movement and I believe that we can develop the water transportation. The state is dirty. The state is toxic and there is about no projects everywhere. Sandgrass market was brought down by government a few years ago. Nothing is going on there. Nothing. No development. They just dug the place and all the markets we may not bear on the streets. We go from Lagos go from Tinnubu go towards Martin Street go down go to Ducemo turn into Jankara smelly talky traffic like everywhere. A part of Jankara completely abandoned. The market has not been built and when I was a child I used to go there. So you see you have Lagos so it's not a plant city and if we want to attain the mega city of our dream it has to be planned. There has to be good transportation. There has to be good health facilities. There has to be good roads. There has to be everything has to be in order but go everywhere in the world and what we see in Lagos you can do far, far, far better. I command him on this Okada issue when he decided to rationalize Okada people and ban them from certain areas because they had become a societal nuisance but that is not enough. It's more than just throwing people into employment. We have to create jobs. We have to remove agboros from the road from the parks. We have to ensure that we can move. In those days you can move from any part of Lagos at any time of the night. Go to the night club at 12 o'clock, midnight, one o'clock. We are moving from one place to the other. So there is an urgent imperative need that we are going to do this and the SDP government has a manifesto which we believe is going to be a contract with the people. It is a development from the presidential manifesto of the park itself. You know we are our persons. When we manifesto at the center we also have a modified room for the state and we are going to ensure that this manifesto is a contract between us and the people. It is not going to be we do security, later security get worse. We are going to improve the value of the currency, all these promises as will not be a government of promises. There was a time they told this lucky express road. If you remember very well we used to pay for the lucky express road and then the Osborne eco-eurode and there was this there was this there was this Ainsa's problem and after the Ainsa's there were issues about collecting at both points and it was the contention of people like us who knew that it was like an abnormal tax. If we have to apply road just to move from Osborne to Lucky it is a very short road it is a short bridge and we have to pay at that time a trip if I pass that place three times a day I pay 400, 400, 400, 400 it was not a daily pass and it was it perpetrated action on people who lived in that Ainsa's and that Ainsa's is not just it is not a lucky it is lucky VGC abomination down to Ainsa's and government was gracious enough to listen to the protestation of the people and the money was not was not introduced we commend them but you see they brought again another one recently they say it is parking parking tax or parking charge we can continue like this because we are in a time in this country whereby people are people are they are staggering people are angry there is no money this will be said to other people you can't buy a carousel you can't eat bread then they say you should come and pay for things we have to be reasonable in the way we traumatize the people we have to find a way of generating money for the state it cannot be tax tax tax tax it must stop so for me as a for our own governments one of the things we will do is to look holistically at the tax regime of government and to see the possibility of abandoning most of this alright finally let's talk party politics the STP is not as you know popular in Lagos as opposed to the PDP who is the main opposition and of course the ruling all progressive congress what makes you think that you stand a chance you see this question of popularity I agree with you but there is no statistical basis for it what I will tell you now is this I don't believe that a man who springs 12 hours on the road every day or who springs 9 hours of the road you think about that when he is going to cast his vote and we likely think he is the most efficacious person who can come into government and make a change in our campaign are the experts of governments are the now said it will be better for vice presidents to be allowed to be overseen the day to day running of the Nigerian government which I think is reasonable which I think is sensible which I think is responsive to the reality of the Nigerian situation and in the case of right honorable Chibuki Amnichi I am confirming to you it has no issue personal, official or anything you can think of with either senator Bola Mettinubu or the party or the PCC nothing that is not included now does not mean that is not consorted the leader from river states was submitted by him to the national party so he is involved so forget the last time it was the DG of our campaign but today it is not the DG and other subject persons should be given a role level patron or leader of the campaign council so am I showing to Nigerian that APC is one our leaders are together in unity with our candidates to ensure that comes to the 33 APC wins the presidential election Bola Mettinubu's health I can tell you and I can say and the equivocally is the fact that the man is not medically sound and there are so many issues to both we are all aware we are coming one of even when Bola Mettinubu was visited in London by any device president when he was in hospital now another person by dismissing by saying nobody does nobody does nothing falsely but there is a great distinction I am using this hypothetically I am not saying that is what Bola Mettinubu is suffering from please so that I am not quoted out of context but there is a great distinction between fever there is a great distinction between malaria and cancer so you cannot say everybody must fall sick nobody is insulated from sickness therefore you are going to compare the man that has cancer with the man that has malaria for crying out now what is going on now drags us of the sudden path of Yeradua what happened to Yeradua we also where Yeradua was allegedly playing squash and the order was objected by IBI sorry political who when the control party surrounding the health of Yeradua was placed on the front burner in order to dismiss it they now they also bid you of Yeradua playing squash and we all knew what eventually happened we also saw recent in recent time which is still ongoing present contemporary death of Muhammad Ibrahim who is constantly who has constantly back to the circle to the to the UK and Saudi Arabia for medical reasons we have now we have videos of TV we are looking for a trail if it's APC and it was to be a Shibangio okay we'll start to listen you know so I'm not I don't function on tribal and religious line that's not me so I guess people are looking for something to tag me with and I also remember that I've been tagged that's a homosexual in the past when I'm not so name calling don't bother me that's what I'm saying let's come back to the politics of it before I come to Dr. Moe the Pitao B phenomenon I've asked many politicians when they come on this show what they think about the Pitao B phenomenon and and if they are worried about it if it does give them a reason to want to step up their game but then you spoke about the fact that you believe that these people are becoming more aware of the powers that they have but we've seen Nigerians you know be this energetic on social media and then election time we see a drop like an antique climate exactly can this phenomenon be sustainable all the way to this is the largest this is the longest time we've had to campaign for any campaign season can we sustain that momentum whether it be for NPC whether it be for PDP young people in general I don't see why not because what has gone bad has gone terribly bad and the young people are beginning to feel a little guilty if I may add because they have finally realized not only that they have the power to change things but you know they've been too long in the cooler and from here on it's a new Nigeria I believe that we're going to see because the young people are putting their foot down for the first time ever and purchase or be wins it's not for them to go back to sleep or hell no it's for them to be more alive holding that government responsible interrogating that government asking questions are those conversations being had now because you see oh yes as much as we see that love or that movement young people being aware are the right conversations being had and Dr. Tiddi I have never you see if you know I had this discussion with you in a sister in a sister in a sister television or sister station this is not you this is a new you and I'm happy it means it means we are making progress Dr. Tiddi no no no let's hear Dr. Tiddi yeah Dr. Tiddi you know through and through that I am not just a spokesman to His Excellency Artigo I'm a friend of reverse it and no reverse did very well and I love reverse it very well His Excellency knows that I hold him in high esteem and I'm not sure and I don't admit no pretensions about this but interestingly it is about the party it is about the people His Excellency is one man who is paying particularly even before the flag of the presidential election Dov Nonesum Wiki has been one of the leading voices in that criticism of the of the of the current administration on the tears on the deaths and on the kind of hunger that has pervaded our country you know so it is not it is not it is to be completely out of place you understand for anyone to say look to hell with reverse not even His Excellency at Alajati Kwa Bu Baka you know but with profound respect I tell you something if it tears about the people if it tears about the PDP if it tears about the chairman of the party doctor you know interestingly I am not aware I don't work in the PDP I don't speak for you I am not aware of any allegation of nine billionaire missing from the coffers I am not the treasurer of the PDP I am not the national whatever of the PDP but the issue is I remember listening to His Excellency a few days ago when he talked about a billionaire which he just reiterated here you know which extend hands of course but you see as far as I am concerned His Excellency has been a lawyer and you too at least but to the great God I know your debts are your background you know you should note to that for someone of the office of the governor you know making reference to some delicate issues without clear evidence particularly when he is a lawyer and not you know not making you know straight direct statement to say look Mr A.B.C. gave you this money and have evidence it's a different thing but for me when they are placed when they are based on DSD in closing because we are running out of time gentlemen at our level don't hold on Marian at our level it will become difficult for anybody to deal now no I am not tribal I am not tribal let me say this to you the governor of reverse trade didn't say it was he had said he said challenge me and I tell you those businessmen that put the money together it has left the poor view of he had said I want you to think that the governor had come to make this kind of assertion on the character and person of senator you know I would if I were him but gone from it I would have asked for further explanation from the governor of reverse trade but see that it may see that my brother I want to inform you that we have read on this paper that a certain 9 billion Naira is not being accounted for and that some members of the NWC have been offered 280 million each in order to sweep that on the carpet and that the visit of the vice presidential candidate to the house of senator Abu Bakar Seraki is not on connected with that issue that has come up that is presently rocking the end of this week but that he has one of the worst rates of cyber crime in legal state I'm not sure if you know this a lot of young people on the laptops all day if we have a center where you can train and learn how to code right you know I'm sure you probably know about in demand jobs now it's not even based on what is available in Nigeria you train you know how to code in python you come getting paid a thousand two thousand dollars every month you are literally lifting people out of poverty and you don't have to say they have to go to university to get an undergrad before they can learn to code now it's about giving people skill that is in demand right now right and these are things that we are going to push all across the state and even in our education system need a situation where a lot of people drop out in a setting but you want to equip them with enough skills to be able to survive especially in the places where they are domiciled and that's the kind of thing that I'm talking about so you know empowerment is truly building the capacity of people I smile when politicians presumably know what young people want but have you sat with them have you asked them what they want because just as you said that what they want to need to vary from one location to another so assuming that all they need is this and that is that not presumptuous on your part no it's not presumptuous you know when I contested for senate in 2019 which traversed 115 words meant to so many young people youth leaders in each of these words right and there's dialogue now you see there's a norm and a mindset that has been created that makes it okay for young people even people that are not working for the NURTW or last park as they are called down or whatever they remodel themselves to be that just hang on the corner they are packing your car and they want something of you or you're doing an event they come there and they demand something of you it has been normalized and they are backed by the state right so and you see it when it red is over here during the end sales where BRT bosses came with people to the front of the government house in Machats right so the political party the ruling party in Lagos it has normalized and has backed this type of thing so first as a party we work to deliver we are not going to work or to use people to suppress votes so already that job description is off the table then secondly there's an engagement right I'm not I don't believe in making policy for people you make policy with people and that's why I said you look at the comparative advantage in each local government I give you an example of Badagri right if you can show somebody that legally you can generate a thousand dollars two thousand dollars every month from Lennart's good you sit in front of your laptop all day anyway right and it's a dialogue it's a conversation because these norms have been existing for over 20 years you're not going to change it in a month or two months you're going to directly link with them and make sure that the barrier to entry of any of these things is at its lowest point possible right and that's how government will allow for these for very successful uptake of policy if you just sit down and allow and you are making policy for people it will fail and that's why you see that's why I said a lot of tokenism in this government right you see a policy for instance digital education they will talk about it and it will be something that they will talk about for like two months but when it's time to continue or to expand it you see it's just left behind right because it's just about the look of it it's not about the deep of that thing of that type of innovation into society a lot of politicians also make promises you know talk is cheap people say oh I will do this I will do that and then when it seems a lot more for example the government of the day promised us to put an end to the unemployment and the under employment that we're experiencing to fight corruption to deal with insecurity as we speak I'm not necessarily sure if that has been done it has not been done so again knowing that the bottlenecks and the bureaucracies that exist within the Nigerian system of course some people say it takes one man but then some others will say it takes a village how do you intend these things come to fruition without because again you see this has been a system that has been built over the years it's been one party it's been one party that's been in power how do you intend to you know make that you turn yes and I like how you highlighted promises that were made before and that's why the party has been nicknamed all promises cancelled party the idea for me is this whatever we're trying to achieve right has been well thought out and is I'll give you an example as part of my campaign because I believe so much in innovation I have done monthly health insurance for about 50,000 people right now that sounds big but it costs 500 nair and these people get access to treatment to the value of 5,000 nair now that might sound small but micro health insurance completely starts to social engineer change because now instead of just drinking that boo when you feel sick and have long term damage to your liver you can go and get a diagnostic test for typhoid and malaria and this system uses innovation to partner with the pharmacies around where you are resident now I am not in government I've done this I did this for two reasons one to show a different type of politic right that's not just about what you are doing now now but a new normal and true to test this system to see how innovation can work in health care right so this is stuff I am already doing now for me this is a this government Labour Party the Obidachi movement Radical Revival is a depart from regular politics we are redefining politics our main agenda is to grow and nurture a whole new voter demographic to come into the system similar to abortion right now the states are left up to make their own decisions so how could marijuana have impact the election I think your first point Marianne about abortion was spot on that was massive a massive implication for marijuana though the United States is not as puritanical as it used to be it's not as culturally conservative as it used to be we have widespread support of for example gay marriage we have widespread support for abortion and marijuana is another thing that over the years has become popular so how does this impact an election in states where this was on the ballot young voters are going to come out and vote for that ballot initiative when young voters come out the majority of those voters that support legalizing marijuana will also vote for democrats so as Mr. Gunnison said the democrats should have lost 40 50 seats in the house they may only lose 5 or 10 and marijuana abortion and a whole host of other issues played a big role in motivating democrats to come out in the last long period of time has been a state that's generally supported republicans but recently it's been moving a little bit to the left and it's now a very very competitive state you could argue that it's the major battleground in US politics they have a rule that if candidates don't receive a majority of the vote because of small party candidates that might also be running they have to do a runoff until someone gets to 50% so Warnock and Walker will be heading to a runoff just like Warnock had to face the first time he was elected his opponent is a very very controversial figure in American politics a gentleman Herschel Walker he was a former professional athlete but he was especially known as an athlete while he was a former college football system Mr. Walker has been controversial because of many personal scandals that have come to light during this campaign it was revealed that he had many children that were bothered to women that he was not married to that he had not disclosed publicly they were calling them secret children because he had these children that he had told the public that he had in many cases children or had any close relationship with them meeting them only once or twice in their entire lives it was also revealed that he had pressured women that he was dating to have abortions and this is at the same time as he's running a campaign on banning abortion in all cases and that he paid for the abortion and wrote a thank you note that we can see is with his own handwriting congratulating the woman on getting an abortion with the money that he had provided it also seems as though Mr. Walker is not someone with a high level of policy knowledge or acumen when you hear him speak he has a difficult time coming up with sentences connecting thoughts together this is in a great contrast to his opponent Mr. Warnock who is a very eloquent speaker and has a lot of history and practice in the religious context giving speeches to large audiences true that both the APC and the PDV have got a lot of big names in them but for us big names really actually doesn't matter because big names without credibility integrity experience and record of performance is equal to zero the former vice president as you mentioned had been running for the presidency of Nigeria for the last 30 good years 30 good years if I were him at his age of 77 he should go and rest and assist those who have assisted them before like who are agile experienced well qualified record of performance as I have said earlier but even though he is running you know it's a fact Mary that PDP is not going to be on the ballot itself meaning that PDP is virtually equal to zero it is not in contention because the PDP biggest stronghold is the southeast which you believe me that has been sufficiently eroded by the obedience the other part where PDP is strong is also the south-south minus OB in the southeast minus Governor Wike who holds sway in the south-south in control of five executive governors is at our count today and nine other gubernatorial candidates of the PDP across the nation making 14 and so pulling out of the PDP in the north PDP doesn't stand a chance I don't I think you should advise the vice president not to waste his resources because it is our belief that even in his own world of Kojuli in the local government area of Adamawa state Senator Rabiu Kong also will beat him hands down so where is he going to garner the votes to become president of course we know that God can met anything and do anything but the arithmetic is not in his favor two Senator Bola Ahame Tungu had been a senator had been a governor of level state but when you put on scale his record of performance between him and Senator Rabiu Musa Kong also they are miles apart he had never been a diplomat he had never been a member of the House of Representatives he had never been a minister not to talk of a defense minister he has never been educated to the level of a Ph.D. and not only a Ph.D. Ph.D. in engineering like Senator Rabiu Musa Kong also so academically records of performance experience they are miles apart and you talked of is there time I don't know which portion of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria you are talking about and the Supreme Court has just ruled that zoning per se is an alien to the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria that any Nigerian of age and sane without blemish can contest for any office in Nigeria irrespective of where he comes from that is the ruling of the Supreme Court against those part of the PDP that took Attiku to court so that matter had been settled it could only be it could only be Mr. Gaudi, are you still there? I'm having some challenges okay, but you can go ahead we can hear you we can hear you hello? yes, just keep talking we can hear you aha so definitely it is not possible it is not it is not possible for any of them to claim that it is their turn it is the turn of every Nigerian to be president of Nigeria and the issue in politics is about numbers it is not how big you are which position you hold and as far as we are concerned Senator Rabi Musa Konkoso will garner 85% of the votes from northern Nigeria and we know as a fact that he can get at least 25% in six states from the south that makes him already a president but the issue is that even if he does not get enough spread once he has majority 51% of the votes cast he can be declared the president and we are looking at a position where with all the candidates put together Senator Konkoso can get 51% and above of the votes cast in that election we are indirectly saying that Mr. Peter Audim Mr. Rabi Konkoso who will be the members and run elections won elections on the platform of the GDP are just on the same boat as His Excellency Artikwa Uwaka I am not saying this to make anybody feel good or bad that is a statement of fact of GDP presidential vice presidential candidate for 2019 of Peter Audim so that is on the play on the long hand now when I am talking about the differences between these parties we are trapped where codes are there for us to see but there for example not to waste their words and begin to come up with facts that don't exist if we are playing with ourselves we will never go to GDP before the left power as of 2015 we knew when Nigeria was a bad time so what we have now is not a mode standing claim them for 8 billion years as the APC has done we have now a publicly to play the publicly presented for the last 70s March may connect with Nigeria the Artikwa Manifesto which is the manifesto of the GDP encapsulated in a 5 point agenda that takes us from our problems with our unity our problems with our security our problems with the lack of infrastructure and the need to grow the economy and take Nigeria from poverty our most criminal problems today is a positive in the pay pocket because the economy is run by people who seem not to understand economics and the security problem of this country which is exacerbated by our agenda number 5 a very crazy lack of education because you cannot move the people forward raise their power and then the extremely intractable nature of our federal system which has created a huge behemoth that needs to be restricted for proper devolution of power so we have on a scale a simple matrix that will attract the upward removal by middle class that will attract those who are involved in the economics of this country that is there to us a proper provision of power when I say power I mean of electricity which is the backbone for any industrial output and then to make sure that we arrest the depolitating security situation in the country because we have seen it that the present government has absolutely lost the plot so what we are are both medium-term based on a tripod top-term, medium-term and a long-term fixing up to the year 2030 I was happy if you have heard our vice presidential candidate Dr. Yifuan Yifua if you know who you will find that the GDP has a proper well structured manifesto that addresses the immediate and long-term needs of the Nigerian peoples irrespective of their tribe and clan and at the same time we need to pull up the poverty level pull up the poor in Nigeria in the realistic matrix of providing 3 million jobs is very durable in Nigeria and raising our GDP at least to a benchmark of about 5,000 dollars per arm which is doable so that is what we are saying and for us to continue to macerate and be head back by persons who are not on any level at any level by persons who seem to be bent on truncating the upward mobility of the Nigerian people via the GDP they are indirectly trying to entrench insist on entrenching this very government a government which in the last few months in their own mouth I remember Mr. Wickey speaking some months ago that for you know for Timbuktu have come to say he wants to continue the work of the present government is a slap on the Nigerian peoples because we know that today a bag of rice is 51,000 we know that the economy on a macro scale has gone from proper economy to a unscathed case we know that today just within the pressure of just few weeks the Nigerian people has almost turned out to become toilet paper we know that we cannot because of the inordinate ambitions and anger of the select few people home of the Nigerian people that is where the public has come to do and so at every state we have to hold the people accountable and you know I agree with what Akin was trying to say about you know the local government you know cancels I think this is you know an area that is very passionate you know he is very passionate about if we can get it right at that level then we begin to gradually gradually you know push the frontiers but you know the problem again is this that the political class in this country and that's why you know I each time and I can maybe I use it on this program Kameya's description of Nigeria of the Nigerian state where he said that it is a criminally wrong operation where the leaders you know are and are hidden in the safe you know because what do I mean by that you realize that in Nigeria when you want to talk about state capture in a way you can talk about Nigeria as a as a country that has been captured by the political class so and then if that is the case then you're going to ask yourself how come a political party is used as a vehicle for capturing you know a state when the duties and responsibilities of political parties are clearly spared out in the laws of the land in the constitution of the land in that case if you look from that perspective and you look deeply at these political parties you realize that they are not exactly political parties because if they are political parties they will act as political parties if they are political parties they will act on the basis of their leanings of their ideological leanings you know and on that basis they will be able to map out a set of programs that are left with I think we're having a little connection issue issue there with Mr. Trudeau Mr. Trudeau can you hear me for the poor self and aggrandizement you know can you hear me yes we lost you for a second but go ahead you know can you hear me yes you know so these are some of the critical issues that were being confronted look at the issue of local government for instance if you look at the provisions of constitution which is constitutionally provided for which is a tortilla of government and people will argue you know it's not the most important because it is that government that is pleasant to the people 2022 has been indeed a very interesting year we may not have started it on a very great note but hey we're all here I want to say thank you on behalf of plus politics to all those who participated on the show those who supported us and we appreciate your participation everybody's name but you do know yourselves and we'll see you in 2023 but don't forget the election year is now around the corner we can no longer put it away so you know what go get your pvc if you haven't gotten it make sure that you stay there if you have to stay the whole day to make sure that you get your pvc get it because that's your passport like I always say