 Good evening. I'm Eric Yalbertson. I'm the vice chair of the design review committee. I think you guys know that we're advisory to the development review board and current of the current process. If we agree then that doesn't need to go to the development review board, right? Your recommendations go to the development. They go anyway. Yeah. The approval of the agenda. I want to make one change under other business. I want to do a report on the open house that the historic preservation commission had last week. Do you hear a motion to approve the agenda? All in favor? Thank you. 20 Baldwin Street. You guys know the process. You've been here before. Although we understand that we don't have to appear again before the design before the other board. Assuming you guys are on board with the project. For 20 Baldwin Street, correct. That is a, as long as you all agree, then it's administrative approval for that one. Which is a change from the last, I think we've been before this group. Three times? Maybe twice? That wasn't what I figured. Yeah. I have one question concerns. I can't quite read the number on a higher retaining wall. It's gonna be three or five feet. Three feet. Maybe a little bit more. I mean we can adjust depending on what we find, but it's a low retaining wall. I just want to. Five is really high. No. It makes it difficult. Yeah. It's a low wall. The one suggestion I would make with that is that you actually put, you know, backfill it, put a drain in and backfill it and daylight it out on Baldwin Street. So you're taking the water away that comes off the hill. There's a drain that goes underneath that driveway. It's a private drain that goes down over the banks, basically around our, the stone wall that we built. I don't know if you've seen the property yet. I'm sure you have. I'm just, I saw that, but I'm just thinking about getting the water out from behind the stone wall. That's what we're talking about. Right. So that will go. It's gonna be hooked into that drain. The drawing doesn't show a drain. I don't think it does. Did I not mark the existing drain? Behind the retaining wall. The drain is right here at the corner of the garage. Yeah, I marked it. Marked on the drawing that Landshakes did. Yeah. That's the existing drain, which was rerouted when we did the terracing. I'm just concerned the water comes down the hill onto that retaining wall and getting as much water away. If you're gonna dig and put in a foundation, the retaining wall, putting in a tile drain are afraid. Behind the wall. Yeah, and there's also a diagram on Landshakes stuff about what they would do behind the wall. They have a drain, they have aggregate, they have weeps. Okay. Do you remember, because when we were here once, not as petitioners, but as neighbors of the Land Trust property, you knew a lot about the place that they converted and added on to. Yeah. Right. Do you know what the driveway was originally at 20 Baldwin Street? Because one of the Kellys who grew up there told us, who's now an old man, but grew up there as a child, told us that it originally had a single car garage. And it's clear that the asphalt is laid over a previous driveway. And it must have been, it must have been when the city did it because it's continuous with the Baldwin Street paving. And it has one of those bumps to stop your car if you're older and you worry about that. So I figure it was done at the end of the Kellys life. They've converted into offices, but the addition that's in the front used to be a garage. Right. Larry Adkin had the building. Right. He put a garage in there. And then they converted into offices, but I don't know. I'm just wondering if you ever noticed what was above the hill because that two car garage that we started with. Yeah. So we don't know exactly what we're going to find under the asphalt. Concrete. We expect there'll be concrete because there's a concrete apron that comes out from the garage. Does anybody have any questions? Doing a rub to finish on the concrete painting wall. Aesthetically, how is that going to? It's going to be a plain concrete wall, plant something that drapes down over it. We thought a lot about it because there's a lot going on. There's the redstone arch. There's our stonework below. There's cement, cement on the steps. And cement seemed like the least. Right. It wasn't introducing a whole new design vocabulary. Just so that you're aware with formed finishes, there are a variety that you can get. And some are really ugly. And with a like a hand rubbed or rubbed finish, it's more of an architectural finish and tends to knock down all the high spots. It's a little bit better looking. Okay, we'll talk them about it. I mean, we talked to a lot of people in town over the years. People suggested hardscapes, but you know, manufactured stone. Yeah. People suggested stuff. I mean, lots of it. And this just seemed like the lowest key possibility. Something you could see. You could, you could, I would put this as optional in here, but you could sort of, you can put dye in the concrete, tone it down, give it a little, you know, country turns out really white and harsh. You can put some brown, they have brown, it's just a little bit of it just to kind of tone it down. Yeah, we'll talk to them about it. The other thing is one of the projects we came here before is the place started with a two car garage and we moved, we kept the roof and the footprint, but we moved the wall of the garage back and created a breezeway to access the back. That's concrete. And infuriatingly, it doesn't get dirty. So everything you spill shows right on the sidewalk. Concrete gets dirty, and it becomes uniform, but it's protected. We probably should have put dye in that. Just kind of take a little bit and it kind of, it kind of takes away from that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. The evaluation criteria, preservation and reconstruction of the appropriate historic style, as the proposed project is in the historic district involves this sort of, that's acceptable. Harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district. That's acceptable. So there are certainly other retaining walls and stuff. Patibly approached exterior materials with other properties, that's acceptable. Compatibility of gross landscaping, acceptable. Prevention of the use of incompatible designs, buildings, color schemes or exterior materials. That's acceptable. Location of parents of all utilities, you're not putting in a utility, you're not acceptable, not applicable. Recognition of respect for view quarters. We've been down that road on the Land Trust property. It's a three foot tall concrete wall. I think that's a funny question. That's optional changes. I'm going to put down textured. And color. Textured or mildly colored. How's that mildly subtle? No adjustments in the scope. Nothing to 60. Probably it'll just be filled. The idea was to get a surface that was absolutely flat. So it could be shoveled as a small area. And that's a city tree of a piece with like that. Because they plow into what looks like our driveway, even though the property line was I mean, it's a ridiculously small square footage. We're talking about spending a small fortune on you could sign it by the name. Another excruciating experience to sign review. They have not been bad experiences. And if we're lucky, this project like the other ones we have done will immediately look like it's always been there. Are you keep at it? I'll be the last one. It's always something. Yeah, endless. That's it. Are we done? You're done. So I can call landscapes and tell them that as long as we're willing to take the risk of an appeal, we can go ahead. Well, so this will get folded into the administrative permit. Okay. And what's the turnaround on the permit? A couple of days. So it shouldn't take long. I just I just got a little bit of a backlog. But no, and this is for them. Yeah, thank you. Seems to be nobody here for 27 School Street. And it's also if you wanted to this was something originally I wasn't necessarily going to put on the agenda officially. I was going to bring it and have you look and see if you cared about it. Because you've already looked at 27 School Street. But this is something they added in to the DRB application, with the landscaping plan and the patio in the back, because I needed more for parking from them. And landscaping. So the big tree is already there. And they're talking about adding the lilacs and you and your Cedar, Juniper and you through there. Yep. And then the back patio area is where there used to be a barn and it burned down. And it would used to be a concrete floor barn burned down. And they are going to take rocks from the site to build a stone wall around it and put in a patio area with a I want to say it was some sort of permeable surface. I can't feel concrete floor from the barn. If there is a concrete floor from the barn, it's all broken up, I believe. It's there but pretty shattered. That's my understanding. It's I think the stone works pretty well. Just putting stone on it and drains through being being new. It wasn't sure if this was something that absolutely had to go to you, but I was gonna run it by you. I think it should too, because it's external. Yeah. The rear of the building. I don't have any problem with it. But anybody else? Do we hold on this or I wasn't here for that. What? I wasn't here for that. Yeah, they're doing a ton of stuff. They did some came. It's all fine. They're really what they're really doing is restoring the front part, the old part. They're rebuilding a lot of the stuff back here, putting stairs, they're gonna put a apartment in the attic. So they had to have an exit stair. There's a lot going on. I can't even remember. There's a lot going on the back part of it. But none of us really visible the straight or changes the massing. They're going to restore windows in the front. They're going to paint it right now. It's just painted coral. Coral, light mob, something like that. But everything's painted the same color. Window trim everything and they're going to use the same colors as the Unitarian Church. Yeah. So it was that was approved last? That was approved last time. And this is a fairly minor change. They are doing a lot of work on that building. They've done a ton inside. Yeah. So what's your pleasure? Should we just say okay, go ahead or so honestly, don't let their juniors get as old as the ones at our house. 60 feet. The DRB is going to look at this in conjunction with everything else tonight. Okay. So I just know I don't know whether we need a vote on that. I suppose we might as well do one. Because you didn't see the original packet. So maybe I'll just make a ruling from the chair. Will it just be part of the approval that we issued last last time? Just landscaping? What I will I mean, I would see this is where it comes makes it difficult when you're a new zoning administrator. It would be it's part of the same application. So yeah, I think it would be part of the other the other approval, I guess. I was going to just take this. I know that with other other updates, like with the hotel, new things have come up. You guys have done a new recommendation form as part of the old permit, the same permit application. And then we've just forwarded on to the DRB. This is really minor compared to all the other things they're doing, they're putting stairs on the back. It was all fine. Yeah. So I guess if nobody has any recommendations, I can also just go to the DRB tonight and just tell them, you know, that that you don't need to see this again, they don't need to send it back to you for an official review, because you've looked at it. And you have no recommendations, you could say without, you know, we don't have to take a vote on it, but we could say that if it was it was consensus here, we could say that we didn't feel they need to take any action on this. That could send the same message. That works. That sounds great. Okay. Any other business besides mine? I'll be quick. Last Thursday night, the Historic Preservation Commission held an open house to talk about the new rigs. And I don't know if Sarah sent them to you guys or not. We had a very rough draft because we had a couple of meetings without a quorum. And we had a very rough draft. And we're going to do some modifications on it. We got some good suggestions. One of the suggestions that I'm going to do a report, get on the agenda for the Planning Commission. One of the suggestions was that the city figure out some kind of incentives for people working on single family homes to do whether it's a tax abatement, whether it's what I mean, I know from my experience and what the National Trust says that single family historic homes are the most underserved resource in preservation field because there's no tax incentives, no grants, nothing. So that anyway, we did that and the rules are pretty simple. I will forward them on to you, because Sarah, just as you may have, I don't remember. I didn't look at them again. And we have to be finished by August 15. Not finished with everything, but as something ready to go to the Planning Commission by August 15. And then we're going to full around with it. Okay. Anything else? Can we do the minutes? I don't know. I don't think so. There's only two of you. Right? Yeah. Okay. Okay. So I hear a motion to adjourn. Second. All in favor. You can vote with your feet too. Thank you, Meredith. You're welcome. Thank you.