 Tonight, we assess the achievements of the President's administration in a dosed state and what lies ahead of who the governor of Basseki's successor will be. This is PlusPolitics, my name is Nyangu Aghaji. For the past 23 years, the political space has largely been dominated by the People's Democratic Party and some of the constituent parties that formed the all-progressive Congress, while others like Labour Party were seen merely as participants. Prior to the 2023 election, the Labour Party's victory in major elections was when Dr. Lushego Mimico became the governor of a dosed state. He served two terms on the party's platform. Tonight, we will be moving our attention to a dosed state and joining us to discuss this live is Chief Daniel Egongon Matiu, Governor-Chief Candidate of the Labour Party, a dosed state. Thank you for joining us. Terry, it's a pleasure to have you right away. My full name is Daniel Egongon Aqui Moka Matiu. Well, that's quite a mouthful. I know. If you would allow me, I'd just call you Daniel. Daniel's perfect with me. Very good. OK, now, a dosed state is where we are putting our attention. And eventually, even though we've talked about Mimico being someone who won Labour governorship election under the Labour Party, we also know that the alliance that Labour had with other parties gave Oshimole his first tenor as a governor in a dosed state. So, more or less, Labour germinated in a dosed state long before other states. But what's the situation right now? Ladies and gentlemen, Labour Party is an entity of its own. Oshimole was a Labour leader, not a party leader. Labour is an Labour entity as a Labour force. However, Labour Party has been growing ever since and forming their own identity. And as regards to a dosed state, Labour Party is the primary party to be beaten right now in a dosed state. And I think a dosed state Labour Party have established themselves successfully well, and although we may have a different party as in terms of the governor at the moment. But I can assure you that when it comes to next election, Labour Party would definitely present a stronger candidate and possibility of winning the candidacy or the governorship. But when you talk about Labour Party being the party to beat in the next election that is coming in 2024, right? What happened in the previous elections? They just concluded elections. They didn't show that Labour Party was like the number one. It's strange because we have to be very careful and choose our word wisely. We know the political imagination or imagination that went across the country, all the way everywhere. And we know the trickery of electioneering that happened. I haven't said that. I would be the first to say in the next common election, with the opportunity of people like me who would declare our candidates to run, we would do things differently and make sure we win gallantly and fairly. If we conduct a fair election, I'm not saying we haven't. But with all the discrepancy that I've shown, we would definitely have a better result with high doubts. OK, well, we'll come back to Labour and Labour matters in the course of the program. But let's just look at a do-state generally. And for someone like you, for instance, that who that intends to run for governor, I'm sure you have been able to identify the problems that a do-state has. So speaking generally about a do-state, what are these problems that you think need solving in a do-state? I think a do-state problem could be peculiar, but not very peculiar to just a do-state. It's a common problem I cause most of the country. We have a burgeoning population of young people within the 18 to 35. And a do-state, I'm one of the youngest population growth. I see everywhere you go, you see the mass population growth. We also have education deficiency in terms of education deficiency in terms of assimilation in a do-state education system. We do have robust education platform all over across a do-state, but the engagement of the youth with the education system is very limited. There's a table that came out. A do-state is never on the list of the top 10 active participants of education system. One of the vision we have as a Labour Party or myself is to look at education differently. The tertiary education, most especially the tertiary education, is the primary, secondary school. To look at it differently... Let's just identify the problems now. And when we get to the solutions, we'll find out how you intend to do it or any other person should do it. Absolutely. What is the education system? And look at the way we reorganize the education system. Another one is the small business financing. You see, if you're at the top of the food chain, you have access to loans. You have access to a bank's support or financial support through family and everything. But majority of the people that keep the commerce going are below that poverty line, but they don't have access to credit. So what we want to do is to create a microfinance. I think no solution like problem is access to microfinancing of the low, smaller business people. Another one we should look at is look at entrepreneurship rather than building the next generation to job seekers. Why not start looking at technical skills with the microfinancing to be self-employed, starting their own business from an IT to an engineering? One of the key elements I noticed with the Burgeon Youth is start looking at social entrepreneurship training. Skills that allow you to be self-employed, establish your own business, develop your own. Another problem is lack of proper function of government power status. There's no, across the board, many of the government priorities they don't know how to operate on a commercial element. When I say commercial, not necessarily profit-making. Commercial means the efficiency of government working, whereby the productivity and the outcome of it is commercially wrong. For instance, if you want to get an engineering password, let me just like the commercial, bigger scale. Why do you have to go in to do a registry? They actually do come back on a different day to do capturing then a different day for your passport. It's a total lack and waste of time. When that could be done systematically in one day. For you to renew your passport, it should not be more than a couple of days or a week. For you to get a fresh passport, maybe doing some check and everything, it should not be more than two weeks. But if we can narrow that gap down, it means the passport office can produce more passports. It means by then producing more passports generate more income. It means generate more income. Then they have more money to spend on the facility to speed up the process even more. Now, if you take it to a state level, same process works. We just have to look at our government paracetamers and put the social commercial enterprise energy into it, or social commercial enterprise business process in it. I remember when I went to Egypt with a company called Celica. We look at the Egyptian government and not just the government. The government paracetamers. And we're doing training for government officials on how to operate not as a private sector, but as a commercial driven center. Not necessarily for profit making, but for efficiency and productivity and proper outcome, targeted outcome. That's why we have so many ghost workers in the civil servant because there's no target. There's no efficiency monitoring. There's no productivity guide. You come to work, you do whatever you want, you go. Where's the outcome? Where's the productivity level? How many people apply for passport this week? How many of those passports have been processed? Who is taking that? Where's the quality control? Where's the outcome? Where's the revenue generated? Is the income spent? Is it reinvested to speed up the process? That's commercial thinking. Like a private sector. In a private sector, if you're on your own business, you know if you earn 10 naira, you know the whole 10 naira is not yours. Maybe out of that 10 naira, probably about two naira is your profit. The rest 8 naira is consumed by the business. Salary, salary, expenses, and also investment in development of the business. When government enterprise, they don't see it as a commercial entity that every money they make has to be regenerated to make the service more efficient. We can also look at community development. There's a major problem with community development. Most of it is in Edo state. You understand? One of the things, this mass movement, for instance, look at community, if we can connect every local government in Edo state, if we can connect those 18 local government with fast speed rail, people come us and people will move into link quickly. The level of people moving to the urban area will dissipate because they can easily travel in between. Goods and services will be able to move freely. I can live comfortably in the Urum in my village and still be able to travel to Benin to work or even send my goods to Benin and work. Let's look at commercial way with a mass movement of people and goods within the state. Railway, we don't even need to look at foreign investment for it. We can do government bonds or we can do partnership where they build, they run, they service and maintain and they give the state percentage without borrowing money from anywhere. I guess identifying the problems will have to come with the solutions because that's what I'm saying. Apologies. I'm driving into... The problem is very obvious to many people. We'll continue with that, but I'm just trying to get a picture of what Edo state is. What kind of potential does Edo state have as a state? Apart from what it gets from the federal government and all the things that we have identified before, what are these potential that we have not seen being tapped but are available in Edo? Yes, multiple elements to Edo state. If you look at the youth, the Burgeon youth, it's a ripe, ripe, ripe state for industry to go in. We have a very advanced level of youth who are very socially conscious and very, very exposed, whereby they're very trainable and as well, very adaptable to any industry that goes in there. The labor force is ready in Edo state. If any industry were to go in there, for instance, if I was to happen to be the governor of Edo state, one of the key thing I'm going to do is to meet all the public service, offices, state, local, even the urban, everything will be made used in Nigeria. Say, for instance, like the car. Innocent car, for instance. That's all the other companies, Innocent car, not brand promoting. In order for us to develop the economy faster and also to generate, if I approach Innocent, say, compute the factory in Edo state. We have the youth, we have the labor force, we have the opportunity for it to grow. Build the factory in order for us to support your factory from growing. All the government officials, regardless the political party they belong from, from the local council to a world chairman all the way to the governor, all the oba's, all the officials, we will buy your car and every four years, Mr. Innocent, we will even trade it off. In essence, we exchange the car, we sell it to the market on auction. General public have access to buy. We rejuvenate that economy. That's one aspect of it. Another thing that we need to also promote Edo state has vast level of cultural display, cultural history, tourism. There's so many fascinating places for tourism. From the oba's palace, the historical element of Edo kingdom itself, tourism is one thing that is yet to be tapped. Forget any NACA, they say about Edo state. Yes, although it's true, they joke that our own, we have our own 505, we don't need the airport, we fly. Yeah, it's good, that's a good fairytale. But tourism is the biggest catchment area that we need to develop in Edo state. The Gile Gile seaport is another one. It's ripe. And we are close to other state that big ship can come in which we were developed. You understand, there's so many opportunities. Even look at what we, at one point, the Pankaneo, we're one of the biggest producer of Pankaneo. They still vast arable land, vast arable land in Edo state that today we can turn into a billion pounds or dollars a production of Pankaneo. And there's a multiple essence. If I become the governor of Edo state, I will give grant to those to farm Pankaneo. Calm down, calm down, calm down. We'll get there, but what do you think is the reason all these potential have not been tapped? What are those elements or those things that are standing against these things being achieved in Edo state? This is a common problem with Nigeria. We have good leaders. We have good leaders who are very good in managing things. And I wanna say this directly to every Nigerian out there. We have good leaders. It's not that we have leaders, we suffer from leaders. We have good educated people, but the problem is we lack visionaries. You see, to be a visionary, you don't have to have all the education in the world. You just have to be a man of purpose, a man of intention and a man of goal. And that's what we're lacking because Nigeria are the most educated people in the whole of Africa. And I can assure you there's no part of the world you will go. You'll not see a bourgeois level of educated Nigerians. In fact, in America, one of the top minority vast educated people in America are Nigerians. Same in Europe. So we're not suffering from lack of educated people. In Nigeria, we're not suffering from lack of educated people either. So it means we have educated people. We're not suffering from leaders. We have leaders. We have great pastors. We have great imams. We have great kings. It's not we suffer from leaders, but visionaries. Like Moses said, I've been to the mountain top and I'm back. I have seen the glory of God. We need visionaries. He said, I'm taking you to your place. There's film with milk and honey. We need visionaries. He said, when the people who came back, who went to spy Israel, when they came back, they said, some naysayers and the other said what? He said, place flowing with milk and honey. We need visionaries with sense of purpose. With sense of identity and pride of who they are as a citizen and as a nationality person. First and foremost, I'm an Edu man. I'm an Asa man to be precise. From Urumi. My father is from Amedosh and my mom is from Ukoni. Pure bread, Asa man. And I'm damn proud of it. Yeah, and there's still that fight also that the next governor should come from Asa. So. I would call to that, so to speak. However, I would say let's agree to that in principle, of course, it's right for that. However, I also want to add a little bit to that. Not just because I'm an Asa man. Not just because I'm from Urumi. Not just because I fit the profile. But please, if you're going to support me, support me because I have a clear vision and a clear purpose, what I'm running and why Edu state deserve somebody with a vision for the state. Okay, now you talked about one where we're opening. We're opening, you said something about Labour Party being the party to beat in Edu state. We have seen, you have an incumbent who is PDP. We've seen a very vibrant opposition in the APC even though they have some problems right now. Gail of suspensions here and there that is happening in Edu state in APC. But we still have two very major parties and there is the Labour Party that you belong to. What are the chances of smaller parties? Because for now we still call Labour Party a smaller party compared to the APC and the PDP in Edu state. I mean having one, two senatorial seats, that's the APC and one like five or more than that for the House of Reps and then in the state assembly and all that. But Labour Party still came like third. Now, what are the chances? There's a great saying there, it's not the size of the dog but rather the fact in the dog. Right, it's true. We may have not performed as expected but you have to look at the variables why that happened in Edu state. You have to look at the electioneering that happened that led to that. Let's just put that aside. But I wanna assure you that as Labour Party in Edu state right now, we're the biggest party in Edu state, right? Will the national fight, because that's what we are seeing will the national fight not affect even Edu state? Because I need to even know, what is going on at the national level? Right, I'm gonna make this very clear. Abura is the chairman of Labour Party and it will remain so. And we need to be very clear, when we say there's a fight at the national, there is no fight at the national level. We have group of, this is a reputable respectable man. So as an ace man, we respect our edges. So I would not like to use colorful words to describe them as a person, but their act is borderline, is borderline anti-democratic and terrorist. You cannot impose yourself on millions of people and declare even the judgement. I mean, we're not in banana republic. Labour Party is a social enterprise and independent party. We have a due process. If you think you wanna challenge the chairman, go through the due process and challenge the chairman. And the judge that give the judgement to vacate a social enterprise independent organization, to tell them that their chairman cannot operate, that judge lack legal wisdom. In fact, that judge have acted on the legal investor judgment that he has passed because he has made himself the administrator of a social enterprise party. And the judge, we have a legal, we have a system, I will address issue. Those who also went to court to present whatever evidence they have, they have no legal standing to do so. Are they presented on behalf of the party? Or are they presenting as the injured party? Is only an injured party could say, oh, this person did this to me, I'm going to court to a redress. No, or are they the legal representative of the party? There's a process. They should report any qualms they have to the party administrative. They look into evidence. If they feel there's a criminal case or there's a civil case or there's any case at all, they will address it with the party committee. The party committee then take action and they address the chairman, either to tell the chairman to step down or this answer the inquiry, not the court, not the right panel. And no one can come and impose them. So it's like same for instance, oh, we don't like the current administration. As such, group of us will decide, we're going to go to court and impose ourselves all over the country as the head of the president. You can declare today you are the president of Nigeria because you don't like the president administration. We have a way we elect our president. We go through election. We go through the process. If the process may not be perfect, but it's the best democratic system we have. Same in the party. We have a way we choose the chairman. We go through an election process. There's a congress. If you don't like the chairman, then go through the process. Test your popularity. If you have a grievance with the chairman, put it to the congress of the party. If they are the injured party and the party have no address, then you can take it to the court. But this group of terrorists have now hijacked the old legal system and they've now gone to an imbecile legal judge to pass the judgment. Those are really strong words. Because it doesn't... It doesn't... Those are really strong words. It's in banana republic. It's not strong word. We have to apply law and common sense. How can a judge tell a social enterprise chairman that he cannot operate based on group of people bringing a case that does not directly affect them on behalf of a party where they have no standing? Acting now, you and I can decide, oh no, PDP or APC. We think PDP did this as such. We are going to court. That's the legal process. Liberal party have a legal team. If the legal team felt that the chairman have committed any offense, it's the legal team on behalf of the party who is the injured party. We go to court to judge the chairman of any offense. Not some car boys, some terrorist self-appointed leaders. I vehemently stand with Aburi. Aburi is the current and we remain the chairman of Liberal Party. And those who are ganging up against Aburi are anti-democratic. And that's not how we should operate in a civilized society or in a civilized party who want to form the government. It's just wrong. These are intelligent people. Please abet them, apply intelligent and common sense. And the judge who respect the jurisprudence of the law cannot operate outside the law. You cannot pass judgment outside the law. Aburi have not been charged of anything. Accused, I'm not painting Aburi a saint or an angel or making him righteous than he is. But Aburi is a man of integrity and honor. Entrepreneur otherwise, he is the chairman. And that should be respected. There is a process. You have a process. If you cannot say you are a Liberal Party person and you truly believe in a democratic process and they want to override all that to serve your self-interest, whose interest is that? Okay, well, it's established. As far as you are concerned, Aburi remains the chairman of Labour, national chairman of Labour Party. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we'll just take a short break and when we return, we'll still be talking with a governorship, hopefully, in a dosed state under the umbrella of Labour Party. Stay with us. You're welcome back. In case you're just joining us, the program is Plus Politics on Plus TV Africa. And my name is Nyam Gul Aghaji. We are here with a governorship hopeful of Labour Party in a dosed state. And, hey, simply, Daniel Matthews. He has a long name within him. So I begged him to just call him Daniel Matthews and he accepted graciously. Thank you very much. Okay, now, we've been able to identify the problems of a dosed state. Not all of them, because I know that even if we're talking about just the problems that are in a state, not just a dosed state, it could take a whole day. But some of the things that we have identified, and the wonder I had was what is the present administration doing? What have they been doing in the past maybe 24 years, even since democracy returned to Nigeria, that we still have these problems? What has been the attempt of the previous administrations and the present one solving these problems that we have identified? It's strange to say that we can look at it across the country as well, because like I said earlier, leadership is the problem we have. And fellow Nigerians must describe fellow Edo people. We don't lack, I mean, visioneers is a problem, we're apology, we don't lack leaders. And the problem of that is, the reason why I say we lack visioneers is the solutions are right there. The solution to this problem is that once you identify a problem, you already are 50 to 80% of the solution there. Let's pick education for instance, which I'm very passionate about. My background is in education and public health and development and funding development. If you take education, we can look at education from the tertiary education, the primary schools, the secondary schools, the technical education and the advanced education. I think the solution we need to do is to get the mindset away that the government can run this efficiently single and deeply under the administration of one person in the ministry and the commissioner of education. It's not working. It's only if we do the same thing and expect the different results. What I would like to see is to have a social enterprise education where the government and private entity, private organization work together to now run the schools. Rather than you setting up a private school and charging gazillion unaffordable money for parents, the government know how much it costs in a public school per student. If they don't know, then they should know. Then why not allow, say primary school? The parents association give them the right the power to run the school. Employ the ed masters, all the teachers and have to be registered with the state to have child protection put in a self-guarding system. Let parents that belong to that school run the school like a social enterprise or let private organization who are specialized in education work with the government to run the school like a commercial enterprise, not for profit making like a private school, whereby the funding, rather than you giving the local chairman who sit on the money, they give the local commission who sit on the money, you give it to the school. The school board, they form a board. They know for the whole year, this is the budget. This is the budget for maintenance, this is the budget for staff, this is the budget for any other curriculum activity. Now, they manage the budget. Let me get one thing straight so that we don't misunderstand. Your funding seems to give some kind of light to the fact that you may not respect the local government authority. Because if you have funding and you're giving straight to the school bypassing the chairman, it doesn't show respect for the third term. No, that's not what I mean. So explain it. Let me explain that. That's not what I mean. It's not not showing respect to the chairman. If local government chairman are responsible for the education in the local government, that money is readily available for them. Right in the local government chairman now paying the salary of each teacher through the local government, it pays to an organization that manage its school. It pays them that quarterly, preferably, or monthly. Quarterly preferable and say, this is the budget from the local government, from federal government to state to local government. If the government not look at how to invest and develop their education system in it, do we need to build more schools? How do we go about improving the schools? Those are the things we look at. Look at education, another key point in a way to merge and bring the young growing population in those days to a parity. Start community college. There's a lot of community college, but the community college I want to focus on is community college that focus on skills. Where is the skills? I'm going to leave the social science study out of, like business admin, accounting, out of community college, not because they're not good, they need it. We're skilled for engineering skill, IT skill, computer programming, coding, to bricklay, to addressing, to electrician. Technical skill. But this is the difference of what I would do. That is where I come with the microfinancing. What I would do is to sell a state microfinance bank that anybody who graduate after two years will get a loan with very minimum percentage of less than 5%. You get a loan to go and establish yourself. If you are a mechanic, bricklayer person or electrician, you and two of you can come together, get a loan to set up your own business rather than looking for employment. Okay, have you done primaries? We're here to do the primaries. Okay, good, so now we're talking labor and other parties. We're talking labor, we're talking APC, we're talking PDP and all that. Now, the concern I raised earlier is the chances of labor party, particularly, let me not talk about other parties, I know labor party because you are here. Now, we have contending for this position in a state under the APC, people like Eze Amu, Pastor Eze Amu who has been there for a very long time and so many other names that we are seeing that are popping up, people who are interested in this position. Then we have the incumbent who is of the PDP, having the muscles of the government, whether I would like it or not, incumbents, governors, use the resources of the people, of the government to run an election, whether we say it or we don't say it, that is the fact. Okay, so now labor is coming as an underdog and then you said that the system was rigged, more or less, in the last two elections. I would say I think it was questionable. Oh well. I believe in the democratic system. Semantics, it's a matter of semantics. It was questionable. Yes, at best. That system is not going away soon. What do you intend to do as a party to make sure that you excel more than you did in the last two elections? Very good question. You said change is in the way, from the deepest valley in Edo state to the ice mountain, to the widest street to the lowest village. Every aspect of Edo state is ripe for change and change is coming like an unstoppable train. But they were ripe before the presidential and governorship election. And it's still growing. And I'm gonna tell you something that might blow your mind. You see, isn't Yarmouw and all those people, they can run by the grace of Almighty God and by the grace of my ancestors. I know I'm gonna win the primary and if I was to run against them, we will win in the last slide. What if you don't win the primaries? I will win the primaries. No, well what if you don't win the primaries? I'm talking labor now. No, no labor party. Labor party will still be in the fray, but it doesn't have to be. Let me blow your mind. This is my shock you but not shock me. Everything I lay my hands upon, God has given me the grace to prosper in it for because I do not desire for my self-interest, but I desire for the greater good and the greater purpose for a greater calling. For I have not called myself to victory, but God has called me to victory. I have no doubt, no doubt, no aorta of doubt to me by the mighty grace of God and by the grace of my ancestors. Victory is not only defined by you taking the first place, victory is defined by the purpose that you stand for and that's why I would win without a doubt. So your purpose is the labor party's purpose or labor party's purpose is your purpose? What is it? My purpose is adult people's purpose. Adult people's purpose is my purpose. For a change, for a better government, for a functional society, for the value and rule of law, for integrating an open government where somebody cannot die from just having a malaria that is curable by one or two tablets, cannot afford to send their child to school because they have no means to sustain the school or cannot even after it square me when we have the arable land that we can invest or give loan or give sustenance to grow. That is my vision. Where security is not for the privilege but for everybody, where you can freely be who you are, where a child of nobody can dream and dream to say, one day I can be a governor, where you can believe in your ability, not in God-farerism or not in opportunity of entitlement but in your ability and God-given right to stand as a man or a woman to say, I, Chief Daniel Egonko Aquemokha Matthews, will run and successfully win the nomination and become the governor of Edouste, not because of anything else because I'm proud as a man, regardless. Okay, well, this is only the fifth month. Are we? No, no. This is just the fourth month and the election is coming in 2024. That's right. Well, Edou is your passion. It's not a personal passion. Edou is your passion. And whether or not this government is doing well is subject to where you stand, whether it is your party or not your party and all that. But before the 2024, which as you pray, you might take the reins or someone else might take the reins. What would you advise the President administration to do to finish strong and good? I have no better advice for the President governor or any other governor that I've come before. One of the things is we in Edou people respect our elders. I respect Obasaki. It's not for my party. I personally don't know him. I know he's doing his best. Rather than us criticizing what he hasn't done right or passing disbursed judgment. No, what can he, at least from now, what else can he do? One thing I would like him to do is to make sure the next election is done successfully and respecting the rule of law, the rule of INEC and the rule governing election. Let us have fair and fair election, at least the basic. Another thing he can do is to also help Edou people in regards to general welfare. At least before he goes, create a welfare state that supports the widows. The widows that support children. Public healthcare that supports widows and children. He can do that now. He can start that. Why people like me can come in and build on it? We know we need more roads. We know we need the road fix. We know we need a lot more things but something he can readily do now. Create a welfare state for widows and children. Most especially in the public sector. In most especially in the public sector. Why is there so much need for that? There's so much need for the welfare state in terms of the public health in Edou state. One of the dangerous things is people self-medicate. Not only self-medicate, people go through the transition and which is good, I believe in that as well. The self-medication is causing a lot of that. And people try bearing for instance, it's astronomical in Edou state. Even though we have a burgeoned youth level. Provide social care for age appropriate. Anybody in there a thing to have a public health care. People who are widows. People who are old. To have a public health care. They have access to public health care. He can do that. He has the power, the means, the resources to do that. Right now. If that's only the thing left for him to do. Just create a social, public social welfare. Back in the days where children used to have free immun... When I was growing up, I have free immunization. All my immunization was free. Now it's no longer in existence. Immunization from polio to fever to everything. People die needlessly of fever. Malaria fever that has been eradicated because those free immunization we used to have growing up in the kid don't exist anymore. He can start that now. Now it's a free immunization. From malaria, from polio. From every other transmissible disease. He can do that. He can look at widows. He can look at older people. Who are dying endlessly for no reason. Because they don't have the proper care. Or their kids have grown. They moved far away from home. And they don't have the necessary care to sustain them. Support charitable organization that is doing widows' might. They're giving this what I call the soup kitchen. Where we give old people free food. Homeless people free food. He can do that. The governor can do that right now. It doesn't need massive ladies. It doesn't need massive money to do that. He can do that. It can lead that foundation for people like me to come in and build them. Okay, well. When we're talking about governance in Nigeria, one of the things that really is worrisome to a lot of us is a lot of people in Nigerians, including me, is the issue of continuity. A lot of times people come into office and the first thing is to rubbish every blessed thing that the previous administration has done. I mean, an administration cannot be 100% part, no matter what. That's right. So if you were by God's grace to take the reins of leadership in a dual state, what are some of the things you think this administration has done that you can build on? Is it everything they've done? Like I said earlier, I said, I'm a do-man. We don't insult our elders. So, and so it's just the ones that you think. Yeah, everything the present administration have done, I would build on. I would try to advance it. One of the things I know they've done very well is as bad as the road system are right now, they're working immensely to improve it. And one of the things they're also working on is trying to capitalize the economy. And I don't think they actually have a clear pathway or clear understanding on how to go about that. One of the other things they're doing in a dual state is the drainage system. They're actually building some drainage system because we have a flooding problem in a dual state. And they're building a drainage system in a dual state. They're also building a water garden place. You know what I'm saying? That is something I can build on. You understand? I would not rubbish any past administration because their challenges differs from administration to administration. But what I know for a fact is built on what they've had and work on those areas they struggled. I won't say failed, but struggled. Improve on the area they struggled with and also bring in a community sense of responsibility. Put everything you do in the hands of the community. Let it be community-old driven. That way, the rapid level of growth, advancement, development will be faster because it's not driven from the top, but it's driven from the bottom up, not from the top down. Okay. So, well, at this point, we will just wish you a very, wish you luck in your endeavors. And we've been talking with Daniel Legongo Matiu, the Liberal Party governorship hopeful in a dual state. It's been enlightening, telling us the problems of a dual state and how to solve them, at least some of the problems that are in public glare. And we're hoping that one day we can ask the one who eventually takes the reign of leadership in a dual state the relevant questions that need to be answered. That is what is lacking in our political space. You don't get to ask the questions because there's no opportunity. But we hope that with the political climate nowadays, we can always do that. We'd like to say thank you to Daniel Matius for coming on the show. Thank you so much. Thank you very much for having me. It's a great privilege to know you. All right, until we do it again, at the same time tomorrow, my name is Nyam Gul at Ghaji on behalf of the entire team saying thanks for being there. Bye for now.