 Again, the safety in some rigs maybe wasn't, they had so many green people, the green drillers and tool pushers that they just didn't have to experience that the parallel zone rigs like Dawn's talking about and I worked on, they were good, they were safe, drillers were safe, and they looked after you, I never got hurt, I don't think I did. Well, I worked for GP for quite a bit too then. Well, I worked for Peter Bodden for a while too and they were really good. If you were experienced, the guys, the people who got hurt were the inexperienced, mostly. And did you see that often through your career? Yeah, later on when I was supervising rigs that I saw, because I had learned properly, the drillers I worked for, and my dad taught me, and Dawn's dad taught me things on the rig because I worked with him. So when I was out supervising rigs, I knew most of the tricks and I knew I would shot a rig down if they were working safe. Or in some cases I went on the rig floor and showed the guy how to do it right. But I saw a lot of cases too where when I had to shot rigs down and I had to go and show. Because of how inexperienced they were? Yeah, inexperienced, just for instance, I was working out at Redwater. The driller was a friend of mine who I'd rough-necked with in Saskatchewan, Harold Forbes. Remember Harold? Anyway, he was a driller and this one rough-necked was telling me, God, he says, my chest is hurting me. So I was watching him and he wasn't keeping a stiff arm on the tongs. And so when they were breaking out the joint, the tongs would come and hit him in the chest. Break his ribs. I said to Harold, who was the driller, I said, why don't you go and show that guy how to do it right. He'd keep a stiff arm on it, so it comes back like that. Just something natural, but the kid didn't know it. So Harold says, ah, he'll probably just quit anyway. I said, wow, look, if you want me to shut this rig down, we can do that too. Well, okay, but I said I'll go and show the kid. So I went and showed him. Kid learned it. After the trip was over, he'd come and thanked me. But, I mean, that happens anywhere, I mean, in any job. Whether you're working on the railroad or whether you're climbing telephone poles or whatever. Safety is something that you have to instill in the workers as well as the manager. And you've got to be thinking about it all the time so it's second nature.