 I'm Richard McNally. I work for SNV. I'm the Red Global Coordinator and also Coordinator for Climate Smart Agriculture. I'm based in Vietnam and the project that we are working on as part of this study is the Cat Yen Landscape Project. Cat Yen is just north of Ho Chi Minh City and it's the one of the biggest and best known national parks in Vietnam. We started the project in 2009 and the idea was to try to reduce the degradation and deforestation happening around the Cat Yen National Park. I think in terms of the challenges, particularly early on, was a difficulty for the local communities and the national authorities to understand the ideas around red and particularly how to understand the technical components of a red project, things like MRV, carbon accounting and so forth. So initially there was quite a lot of a more sort of cautious approach from our government counterparts and the communities in terms of implementing this project. We've done a series of capacity building with the provincial and district authorities around red and at the same time we worked with the communities particularly around looking at agriculture, livelihoods, forest protection, enforcement. But quite early on in the project we decided that the economics didn't really add up, that the potential benefits from red credits was quite far below the potential benefits from rubber expansion. In this area there's a lot of rubber expansion. So trying to work with the communities to try to change their behavior and trying to encourage them to protect the forests and stop rubber expansion was a major problem. We carried out a series of economic analysis of the area and quite soon it became quite clear that the red as an economic incentive to protect the forest probably wasn't strong enough. So after that we changed our approach to how we worked in this site. Early on in 2012 we changed track so we started to look at how we could integrate red into more the district and the provincial level development patterns that this I think everyone refers to as green growth. So I think very much what needs to be looked at is how we can look at red as part of a broader package of development. How we put that into practice or how the negotiators put that into practice is probably quite challenging given the context of the international red agreement but certainly in terms of application or implementation on the ground there's a real need to see how to integrate red further into the existing development plans and practices from our experience. I think it very clearly highlights the major challenges of working on red. So it provides a nice basis to try to move forward in terms of how to work on red in the future. So I think it's an excellent collation of different case studies that we can build on.