 Okay, now it gives me great pleasure to introduce our next two speakers who will be speaking one after the other and we're going to be talking about adding DNA to your family history society. Now the first speaker is Maggie Little. Now Maggie is a member of the Ballamina North of Ireland Family History Society and it's fair to say a very active member of that society. As her day job she is a retired police officer and as her night job she is a 24-7 genealogist. Now Annmarie Coughman on the other hand is a member of the and a very active member of the Cork Genealogical Society and both of these people Annmarie and Maggie will be talking about how there are a variety of family history societies in Ireland and many of them have recently started to incorporate DNA testing as part of their society's activities. In this presentation we hear from Cork and from Ballamina, Annmarie and Maggie and they'll be telling us how they did it, why they did it and what difference it has made to the members of their respective societies. So could you welcome our first speaker Maggie Little. Yes I'm Maggie Little and I'm here to represent the North of Ireland Family History Society, NIFHS for short. The North of Ireland Family History Society is different from Northern Ireland because we take in the nine counties of Ulster and so whilst we don't have any branches in Donegal, Carvin and Monaghan at the moment we have branches in Lunderry, Anthrum, Dyn, Carone and Armar and Formana well we don't actually have Formana anymore but with several in each county. It's not Brexit. I think they got out before Brexit. So yes we were founded in 1979 and there's the 11 branches that we have at the moment myself, I belong to the Ballamina branch, Belfast, Colrain, Colrain is now called the Causeway, Foil, Kilileigh, Lorne, Lisburn, North Irma, North Dynanards, Newt Naby and the Oma branch have now changed their name to the Taroon branch. At present we have currently 659 associate members but that's gone up today so we've got a lot of members downstairs. 368 branch members but that will rise and has been rising steadily each month because the branches would have their membership running from September to August so that's why that's going to rise considerably in the next couple of months when the branches send in their forms. So we normally have around 1100 members worldwide. The Society is a registered charity recognised by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs and we are a voluntary non-profit megging organisation. Some of the, this is only some of the benefits of actually joining our society would be that you get North Irish roots. They have journals that are issued twice a year. This is one of, I'm giving each one of you the old type of journal. We're now, we've gone up in the world and we're colour coordinated and glossy and nice. So you have free access to online JSTOR, Ireland collection of many digitised journals that are online so you get membership of that. You free access to the Society's well stocked research library which we have in Newt Navi in Belfast. It's open every Tuesday from 2pm to 8pm and I'm one of the volunteers along with Sandra and Kathleen. We would go there on Tuesdays and help members of the public or indeed you don't have to be a member of the Society for to come in and we would can give you help. We offer a lookup service for associate members who can't get to the resource centre and that's everything includes transcriptions, books, journals, directories, maps and a lot more. And you also have the opportunity to attend any monthly branch meeting or indeed the mall if you want to do. So why did we create the FTD&I project? Well in the Ballamina branch we had, we had meted about the the DNA and in 2014 probably 2013 we contacted Morris here and he came along to the Ballamina branch but it was open to everyone and gave us a talk on just the basic basic DNA and there were kits there so at that there was over about 120 people came to that talk and there was at least 50 took the test on that night and then once we got the results we were just hooked with this. So we encourage and support the use of DNA to further our gene genealogical research among our members and our DNA results can be discussed via the NFHS Facebook groups. Several of the branches have groups and pages but within the groups then that you can you can discuss things and more often than not that that's where we're actually talking about is DNA this and DNA that. DNA results can be discussed by the Facebook groups and at the society's regular branch meetings and we now run a family finder course at the three four times a year and they're very well attended. We also then have the last Saturday of the month in our resource centre we have a for autosomal DNA it's just to get together where we literally talk and help each other out and just see how far we've got on with that. Our members are also encouraged to join the other relevant projects within DNA the specific surname projects they're relevant hollow group projects geographic projects the Ulster heritage project and one of the main reasons for us is we want to connect with the Ulster descendants in the diaspora and help locate their family still in Ulster. Some of the facts with regards to our group the majority of our Y DNA members belong to the R1B Y hollow group so it's very difficult at this point to see any clear patterns with regard that. The YSTR groups R1B Rosbra and R1B McCracken there are family genetic STR patterns that become an evident now with those. We have 364 members now in the NIFHS project and we promote the use of DNA testing particularly the autosomal DNA test and I think that's because within the family history certainly me and a lot others it's the one we find the easiest but it's the one that gives you so many fantastic results so to date out of 364 202 of our members have actually taken the autosomal test so basically thank you for taking the time to come with this presentation today and I would welcome you down if you're hopefully coming tomorrow someday I would welcome you down into our stand at B3 and if you want to find out more about the society or indeed our project thank you. Great thanks very much. Can I just stay there for don't go away because we will be coming back to you for a Q&A shortly and I already have a few questions that I want to put to you but we will be talking to Anne Marie, Anne Marie Cochlan now and Anne Marie will be telling us about her experiences adding DNA to the Cork genealogical society so Anne Marie if you want to come up we will put your slides up here and I will you can work for the mouse indeed yeah and what I'll do is just give you this for now and put the well if you hold that and then I will take this and take that thank you very much and put you on there like that so you're ready to go is that comfortable enough I think so can you hear me okay if you talk a bit louder yeah and that just goes into your pocket if you have one or hook it onto your uh if you you won't be moving around so let's just leave it there shall we we leave it there grant okay you're all good to go and there's the clicker if you want or you can just advance it using the for forward and back once we've worked out what we could do right um as uh Morris has introduced me Anne Marie Cochlan or Anne Marie Cochlan if uh if I'm down at home um big argument with my granddad but dad which way which way it should be and my granddad was church of Ireland so of course it was calling because it was posher so um I work I work at Cork genealogical society it's more like a lifestyle than an as you pursued and I also manage them social media for them as well and I try and keep off the Twitter because it's completely addictive but I do go on occasionally mainly I run um the official Facebook group and the DNA Corky group which is private and you have to get past me to get into it um also we've got the Nagel group I always call them the Nagels um Nagel group who are sticklers for information and accuracy so they're talking to each other and everybody's got um a relative called either Richard or Garrett so you know they're happy enough together so they've got their own group and we've just recently taken over the Nagel um one name project as well and we've got 15 members already and we've got a lot of links with northern France so that's a bit bit of a surprise to me anyway um but that's that's part of of what we do so this is us right so my my first thing is why bother okay why bother partnering a DNA project with a family history society first of all you're knocking at an open door okay um we're all working with DNA we're all volunteers sitting here probably I don't think many of us are getting paid for this um and the family history societies have got um a background of volunteers people are keen on what they do so if you want someone to run your project go and visit the family history society and there'll be some person who will look slightly interested and get the job um I am not a scientist anybody who hears about me doing DNA laughs because um science and I don't match quite naturally at all but I am very very interested in relationships and how people connect and where people come from and uh so I wouldn't be I'd be interested in the why as far as it goes I need to know more about it myself uh but again as Maggie said with the autosomal women can get involved we have an investment in the autosomal and I'm very interested in the chromosome matching as well so volunteers we bring a lot to it we've got outside skills other than the straight academic so we've got we will have a different slant on what it means to research our own DNA and it's a tool so we use it as we need it okay um so local expertise you would be stunned if you came down to Cork probably the same as Balamina if you throw a name out into a conversation somebody will have you placed and related within about five minutes everybody's connected and this is what we're finding with the DNA the oral memory is very strong in Cork too and um we have a a tremendous amount of local expertise and contacts contacts in Cork uh scary actually um people who know people and local specialists we have a lot of local specialists too uh the good I think one of the main points about having your local history society and DNA is the fact that with DNA your international members can become more active in your society and every time we have a committee meeting it's what can we do for the internationals you know because we do so much locally and this is one area where they can really take 100 percent um ownership of being some old and core heritage and a lot of people that I'm I'm uh I should say working with because I do actually I live the job um uh people I work with are actually they are living all over the world um I've just been given the walk for at half past four this afternoon by one of our um colleagues shall I say I tell him what I need to tell you and she's in um where is she now she's in the south of of the US at the moment um so the international perspective for DNA is just mind blowing um possibility once you've got the the internationals involved the possibility of them coming back and connecting with their own extended family is is again just incredible people looking I mean our matches are actually pre famine you know the hunger the great the great exodus um those were our matches coming in um so we've got a discrete group of people in cork who know their history they've got real trees they've done their traditional research they know who their people are people are coming to them in DNA matching are getting a very good deal they're actually getting a very accurate um feedback if you like from the society um the other thing is that you're drawing people into the society and the society is getting more and more membership and more investment so that's the reason why you should do it right this is us now I fought the top one in because I thought you might like it um the society was um established by two people somebody's got the joker ready uh it was established by two people wendy wendy quirk who is actually a sister for the latin day saints and the gentleman called dekna charmers who was totally obsessed by his own tree and has just um done a limited run of his own pedigree um six copies and it's like that and that's just been produced so the two of them got together and they decided that court needed its own genealogical society so the the purpose was to promote the study of genealogy as a leisure pursuit now you know the rest of it well you know that was where it started the rest was a little you know that we would say we would argue it was a leisure pursuit it was definitely interesting so we have 6040 local international membership we meet twice a month in the family record centre in cork we're one of the three I think people of three locations in Ireland we've got a family record centre and we have a library there as well so which people offer donate give acquire books and we've got a phenomenal amount of records um so we meet twice a month there one is for the meeting and because of our international membership it's now on video so it's videoed tidied up by our local um filmmaker called Tim McCoy who comes in and does it and uh puts it when we put it online onto our website uh second meeting is the one that I'm more involved in is the drop-in workshop so you sit there with your computer and your books and john granham's find your very ancestors and you wait for them to come through the door so um that's that that is very very popular and we do have actually have cues for people to do that and it's also giving um a lot of the folks who have trained um they've done the course that you see the diploma in genealogy it's giving them chance to flex their muscles a little bit and to try out new ideas and to help people um the facebook and twitter I do for them and we have a journal we were having a journal every year but we've now putting everything on the members website and we have a biennial conference every two years and we've just had one in the spring which was shared with the igrs okay flew south for the day and uh celebrated their 80th 80th years in in existence um the the big secret unless you're actually in the society you won't know about this but we've actually got an offline database which we are loading onto a hard disk and there's only three of us have actually got the password this is this is decant charmers idea um brainchild and anything that's sent into us trees or um information or databases is going on this hard drive and only two people will have access to it so you've got to send in your queries um you'll get lookups done for you but it's completely private um the the purpose was to protect any material that's been sent in by members and to order that privacy um we are very proactive in linking with other local and international family histories of how it is and we have uh we share their newsletters what's going on there and it's now a meeting place to court DNA research so um we are very lucky um in the fact that we've actually got a genetic genealogist on our doorstep and she has been giving us an annual presentation for many number of years on how to do your DNA and what it means and it's Margaret O'Shea Jordan not only has she been helping us out she's actually she was one of the first project leaders for family tree DNA in YDNA island YDNA surnames and so the the the society's unique in the fact it's actually DNA's been part of our DNA if you like for five or six years um so she's been she's been actually mentoring us minding us and helping us all the way through and she's been obviously marvellous with me for the work that the stuff that I've been doing she's been there for me and she's been on the other end of a Facebook message whenever I needed it okay um so she's um as I say she's got the Y island YDNA project now all these these websites are all together on our website so don't worry about copying them down because we've got them um she runs her own O'Shea project now again first one of the first ladies to actually incorporate autosomal into a surname project and she's been fired the last two years she's been fine-tuning extended family testing as well again I think one of the first genetic genealogists in island to do it so she's she's she's following her own path but she's really really ahead of what's going on this is the one that sold it to me team Munster Irish, Elizabeth O'Donoghue Ross, Fimbor O'Mahony and Nigel McCarthy I saw them 2013 here in this very room and it was blown away with the fact what what YDNA could do uh Fimbor O'Mahony this was this is the gentleman who when I got my results back I emailed him and said how do I get my kit retested this is the wrong kid I've got the wrong results so he talked me down and said no they are yours I'm afraid but you probably won't expect him what you've got so again Fimbor is a court man living in Dublin he runs his own family surname project so he's very got a very heavy investment in extended family and the O'Mahony if you if you're an O'Mahony you would know Fimbor the heart and at Ari's mother's side he's working with them and this is where we all genuflect Nigel McCarthy he's ours you've cut off him um he has um he's he's leading a leading geneticist absolutely straight ahead of the rest of us we can only sit and just thumb in amazement of what he's doing um when I put my head over the parapet so they'll have to do DNA at the end of the meeting this about six gentlemen gravitated towards me said we're in the McCarthy project and they all looked identical it was just hysterical they've all got the same nose you know and he's working very very strongly with our local McCarthy's I mean just they all know Nigel Nigel knows them Nigel I'll let you in to a sequel Nigel has now sorted out the McCarthy's into haplogroups and he's giving back haplogroups to other surnames okay so that if you have got um if you've got a surname in westcourt you might be hearing from him he's actually sorted it out Susan Beretta now Susan has been beavering away in westcourt because you probably know she is just doing phenomenal work that's her website courtgen.org and her husband is the other part of the team now she would I was hearing my I was talking to her like you do on on Facebook and I said would you come and give me a hand with the Cork Island project so she'd come on to co-admin and then she's been she's like a go on a sweet shop she's she's been loading the mtdna onto Cork Island's website almost to our Cork Island project website okay and I was she's a lady who's been giving me what for half past four this afternoon um the public journeyology she's got loads of stuff on there even if you're not Cork um she's got um handouts she's got uh trees that you can you know you can print off and fill in um her her initial interest is why the ydna westcourt surname projects and again they're all loaded on our website um and she's done she's put them on for me but what she was doing in the summer was just fine-tuning her extended family and she was um she's been going and testing um on autosomal awful lot of autosomal she's she's been you know cornering people in pubs in all sorts and then she's also been working on her extended maternal line in westcork which again is another first um she's got she's getting a profile now on maternal DNA that's really about that the minute um and now Martha I've not had much contact with her but that's one of the projects of the court of coca leaf project um westcork again what she's it's it's connected to one of the annals one of the pedigrees that was written um technically should have been 1400 but was written up in 1800 and she's not got any promises on this whatsoever if your surname fits in that you can join but she's not guaranteeing that you're going to have to be related and then the oh and apt they just amazing group they're um quite a young group actually and I think could do with a bit of flagging up and that again that's to do with the ancient the ancient annals and pedigrees right now this is my tribute to Dan Bradley my map um I got this idea from the blood of the Irish which is it's probably not spoken about in DNA circles but I I loved it the program with democrat Gavin if you turn a map around and look where cork is all of a sudden you've got another perspective on what's going on in Ireland hey we all I've got a little mouse on um everybody knows where cork is don't you yep uh possibly Kerry as well might be of interest to you where those shipping links are where are they the Iceland um I'll talk about the the local links in a minute um northern northern France the iberia peninsula north Africa that is a natural trade route and what I'd say to you is what DNA does is it turns things on its head and we're so used to seeing a map the right way around because you email the back so you've got him up the wrong way around there are no right way rounds wrong way around with DNA or with maps if you turn something on its head you will get a different perspective and um if if you look at her and all of a sudden we're not connected to Europe anymore are we we're out in the ocean doing our own thing and this is what the early Irish were doing this is what was going on it only took six days to leave Galicia to end up on the cork mainland on on the um you end up in West cork from Galicia six days in a sailboat pre pre everything nothing I mean if you're looking at a trade route you know you might just pop over to cork drop a bit of uh jewelry over and come back you know I mean you've got it you just you need to really look for line I I was just blown away with this looking at you the logistics of this that we're not we are in Ireland but we're in Ireland in the middle of water and where we can go and if you go for you know the next stop the other way is uh is Canada and Australia it's in Australia US sorry Australia's next right so this is cork this is one anybody didn't know where we are now if you actually look at the coast line with more coasts than we have land in cork okay it's a nightmare for the um for the customs every time every beach you go on there's a little science saying if you see anybody unauthorized on this beach please contact the guards you know there's no way you can police it you know people are dropping in and out of that coastline 24-7 even nowadays the north of the county is covered uh is surrounded by um mountains and hills difficult to get out of cork and I should actually go in by water um the trade link there's a there's a false border with waterford um and also I think with chipper areas well definitely with Kerry there's a definite a false nightmare border if you're looking for um parish records in in west cork because the Kerry border sits in and out of there um so you know we we have to look at what our people are doing and how they're how they're using the land because those um administrative borders are false borders especially for cork now the closest trade rink with yaw and I haven't got a little pointer but it's actually in the far yeah right we're just at the bottom of the black water uh we had a lot of movement was that there was um uh a Viking settlement on that corner there the trade link with yaw is bristol okay that's where the trade link is it took 24 hours to travel to bristol by sail proceed that's that that was and it took I think two and a half days to go travel by water to Dublin so where are the links the bristol and cork um the closest link with corky swansy swansy and and the pemberham coast if you if you've ever been to swansy and listened to the market you might be in cork the accent's very similar the food's very similar to as well um so the land versus water thing that we are as a county we look out we don't look in um trade as I said bristol uh the bottom markets we were supplying um ships for the the british military right up to independence um we were supplying the caribbean with um with with food and we were supplying the the us links without with you know we would automatically say yeah the us next stop we were also the holding place for the transport east australia so uh anybody who was transported whether they were political or otherwise went to spike island which is off off the uh the coast at cove um there is actually spike island in bristol the uh us and caribbean caribbean I was this is what got me going i carra a project um the cork clam leaders went out of cork city to barbados at the end of the willy might ward whole lot they weren't killed they were transported um i met a gentleman called carbara solovan from barbados at the accents conference how many years is that down the line it's very very strong links with the caribbean they're also irish um slave owners it's been improved and we also know from the dna that they were the middle of management for irish as well um so we there's a very strong link there with with caribbean I've called it the mainland um quickest place across if uh during the hunger if you don't money you could get out of island by going to england so that was the cheapest way across and the boat is three I think it was only four hours even then um there's no um there's no uh whether it wasn't any due to your customs well how long that's gonna last I don't know but um uh you know you could go you can free travel between the two so there will be a lot of irish people and there are a lot of irish heritage in england whose dna will come up as irish okay so um I could talk on this ride because I'm fascinated with it um the peter robinson project so went to Canada they were north north corg and they were locked and so we do get we get a lot of contact from them the immigration the comorinas the months the plantation um the decimum rebellion all got the landlord got given back to quite the crew it was taken back by queen blitibus and given out again a lot of the people settled to those duty settlements can be checked through the book of survey and disproportion and the chrome early implantation they came and they liked it and they settled there are a lot of chrome early in families and we've actually got somebody um logging at the moment at the moment and I said call them puritans because we don't like chrome well in in court very much um so we might be looking at puritan families the soldiers and sailors um kinsale was the um the the main base for the british military up to recently up to the war of indipence and uh also we have barracks in cork and femoy the sailors I've got my list of sailors because obviously that the the border as you can see is all water is malice um we have the black amore's in court city from the 1600s uh we have um where are we let me get my list um we've got the black amore's we have got um the huganoes big segment of huganizing talk um we have the tin miners at the veera they they moved around a lot and they turned up in they've turned up in butte as well the vikings now the vikings we have got the known settlements on the on the um to say in your earning cork city um but i'll come back to that in a minute uh the other um we've got mercenaries um staying in kinsale they were based in kinsale in the 18th century so we've got germans in there as well and i've met somebody who's actually german court descent um who put me onto it um so looking at that you know there's no for what's coming and going going on um the other one the unlikely ones the westcourt pirates they're my next that when i've got five minutes i love these they're brilliant um the westcourt pirates technically the old riskals but what happened was james the first um took away the pirating license and he wouldn't let them go and settle back in devan so they all decamped over to westcork and they were using um the westcork um for a freeway if you like down and they were settling um algeria was their winter residence um these were all devan people so these devan names are sticking out and there's been a lot of research done on them and the last one i've just found out about were um the lombardy princes were settled in york because um edward the second day of the money so they they actually moved into york for a while so there we go this is us i'll leave that where it is and i just quickly go through what we've found so far um the um corke island one we've got about 200 people in there i just quickly got the top of my head what it is because it's been out time um susan's been feeding in the empty dna and it's coming out very strongly with h a couple of mixes for h um the y dna is very interesting we've got a lot of r but not many r m269 but only about a third um and that that's the r's are the main ones uh dna corke is the one that we're using for the autosomal and we link that with jedmuch and that's the one that's throwing up all the interesting uh matches we're getting an awful lot of matches up fourth and fifth cousin everybody who's in there we've got at least 200 kits in there everyone's got someone too much it's scary when you think about and um the fourth cousin um problem we're getting because of the um so shall we say the concentration of families there's only um we're probably matching on two or three lines so we're actually probably we're having to go further back into our generations to see what what's where the matches are pedigree collapse is a big one as well freeze cork um cloying diocese are known for their consanguine a entries um so that's a big big problem but when the parish registers came out all of a sudden people were very happy um so those are the latest outcomes and this is what's happening in the um society we're getting a growing membership involvement in dna um we've i've just had somebody test today he's mapped one particular surname in the whole of cork and he's decided to go for a big white test today so he that's what he's done today and so that's going to be coming back we've got mainly mainly the autosomal but anybody who's started doing the y is really taking on to it and i've got somebody else is actually doing a woman studying in in his surname and that's taking him into wales and all over the world um our specialists i've i've outlined our specialists they take their leading what we're doing they're advising us and they're directing us we're using online support an awful lot where that's how we communicate uh the monthly workshops with a dna um yeah uh the monthly workshops uh as i've spoken about with the dna uh get-togethers with um people are just taking from it what they need i've got a group of them that have found out they're related and they're micro researching individuals uh which is very very you know nitpicking but that that's what they're into and then i've got people doing broad stuff like one-name studies um we have annual events where margaret comes and talks and as i say susan came in the summer and fed back on her results and we do an awful lot of networking and the both of them that is just phenomenal um so that is us so thank you very much and go look with your own research thank you keep that on you um i'm going to push this back to the previous one and maggie um come out and join us as well um how many people in the audience are actually a member of a family history society in ireland okay so there's a lot of people here from ballamina anybody outside of ballamina or cork anybody who's in which one are you're in clear root of course and you're in i mean the northern ireland family history is the ballamina branch or the associate member possibly of yes which are you an associate of the actual society i'm an associate and jill kerry kerry family history society because i i don't think there's that many family history societies in ireland because you guys are completely voluntary aren't you you know it's not like the um roots ireland or the family history centers which are commercial concerns working with the parish records but you guys are completely voluntary do you get funding from anywhere not that i'm aware of we would like to get funding uh certainly for the nifhs we would but um we just make it ourselves you know do do different things to try and raise funds what kind of things do you do um well i was really sort of put in charge of a like a little subgroup of the council uh to look at ways of trying to raise money and one of which was last year was we did a a fireside quiz and sell them for one pound and just went out round all sent it to all the branches and then they sent the money in and we actually had or were given ft dna kit um for a first prize so that's how we try and get uh some money in it's a good time to mention the competition that you're really downstairs yes definitely again we have been given another uh family tree dna auto sumo kit um and we're charging one euro and all we need is an e-mail address and that that will be um drawn on sunday after the show so you might win one so go downstairs to the bellamy in the north of ireland family history society stands straight downstairs you don't actually have to walk very far be three there will be somebody there to take your money and and riz do you get any funding from anywhere uh we've a very good team on the committee who consumes magic money out from places and we've also got um the local council county council city council very interested in what we do so there's a there we usually we usually at the top of the list of the funding for that as well okay questions from the audience then um because i'm just wondering how many people can carry and clear and unclear has a very strong dna component to the society does carry jill okay okay i haven't heard anything either and anybody else any other family histories because there's not that many voluntary family history societies in ireland are there i grs but in terms of a county um family history society uh gsi is kind of done there and ireland um carry is really just carry but south east scullway okay south east scullway have an active society i don't i don't i'm not well open it but i i have heard them do talks and organized and is there anything i'm just interested in hearing from from paddy and from the other people who are in family history societies anything in in the presentation that you think you can take away and maybe bring to your own societies in terms of uh well you really run a special interest group yes for a dna special interest group and um i'm quite quite um interested in the the monthly workshops they they tend to work extremely well yes very well um mark mcdowell would run our um otto sumo family finder courses and he runs our special interest group last saturday of the month and very well attended and uh any questions from the audience yeah we have a question here first of all i'd like to ask you where how you fit into this he was invited over to northern ireland for for her i i um started doing genealogy about 10 years ago and then found dna and gave it to my dad as a christmas present hoping that he was my biological father and then just got hooked on the whole thing so i've just been kind of uh uh a bit like gerard being evangelical if not addictive to genealogy and genetic genealogy for the last eight years or so and um uh maggie was kind of up to invite me up to do a talk on dna many years ago and we had about 50 people um doing the dna test on the evening yeah we moved 50 tests in three hours i think i lost a half a stone and i i uh my fun has had the uh wide dna test i am i'm actually researching my husband's family who's from cattidary so that's why i i'm a member of the n i mhs and i'll say i'm very i've been a member for six or seven years i would say and i'm very pleased with the what i have found out in unexpected ways uh from through the n i but i want to ask if i were um starting out today what test would you recommend to me i mean there are three there's the main and and y dna the p way and then there's the open soma could you just give me some feedback on that well i would i personally would recommend the orosomal uh the orosomal test the family finder uh that's the one that interests our members the most because it gives them a new lease of life basically these brick walls that they hit and they don't know where to turn for their ancestors the family finder actually finds living relatives and it's uh what what i see happening is the ones that emigrated way back they were the record holders on that and then they're now coming back to us and that's how we're getting the records and that's how relationships are being forged network network network network last one from firstly for the months routine i mean have to sponsor a test if you If you find the current Donald Klan or someone there, is there a descendant? Can you say? Yes. Oh, no. He is somewhere. I believe he's living in London. But I believe it's the monster group who should offer it. But I think that we have to sponsor it. And for Fermanne, if you find a cork in Fermanne, we have to sponsor it, because that's where the origin is, I think. Thank you. Thank you. Two free tests, I like it a little bit. So that is going to cause problems. So I'm going to come over this way, John. I'll come over this way. Yeah, that would be great. I'm from Canada, from Ottawa. And these days, to answer that question over there, I'm recommending that anybody who starts out in genealogy these days should be taking it over so much. Yes. Because it's as basic as talking to your family and finding documents that are in the addicts' basements. For cork, you put on YouTube a presentation by, I think it was Ross McCutcheon, was it? That's you. I did. Which was wonderful. It was one of the teams or something. Yes. Ladies, for the record, it was wonderful. Please put more of your presentations on YouTube. If you join the society, it's 20 years a year. You can go. We've got three lots of presentations in there. You can walk your way through. Yeah, I have to say that coming from Canada and listening to these two presentations here, I wish you could be a little more proactive in getting out information to societies in Canada, probably in the U.S. in Australia. You know, people, organizations that publish newsletters and things are usually desperate for information. And a well-written article talking about your society, what it has to offer to people in other countries, I'm sure will be very well received. You could write it once and probably have it published in several places. Thank you. Well I could actually follow up on that. I had a girl that just had never met her before until June of this year, in the beginning of July, and she came from Ottawa. We met up Facebook, all the old social media sites. Yeah, different genealogy sites that you can go into, forums and things. And she came over to Northern Ireland, but she went back with the NIH S-Leaflets, because that's what I push our society. Well hopefully this is the start of something and we'll take on board what you said. I'd like to say that some of our, I was a membership secretary for the Northern Ireland Communist Discipline in many years, just escaped this year. I'm only four years of volunteering, but we have very strong links with the other communist societies in Canada and Australia, and they receive our journals and they receive our newsletters twice a year, and so they would be aware of all these developments. And of course now you're on YouTube, so you're going to be seen by thousands of people tomorrow. So we have to stop it there, because it is six o'clock, but thank you all for attending the first day's lecture at the Nativity in the Owls Yarns, and a very big thank you to Annemarie and to Maggie for a wonderful presentation. Thank you. I've got to do about the deep parachutists I'm not dead. You survived, you survived. Don't know those pranks, that was really good. I'm going to turn this off, I'm going to turn off the recording. We're still recording it just so that you know that all of that is on YouTube now.