 After successfully attacking a convoy of ships in the Yellow Sea, the American submarine USS Gunnell was worked by Japanese anti-submarine warships during a 36-hour ordeal with explosions from depth bombs periodically jolting the submarine severely. Finally, with depleted air and battery power and no other option but the service for air, commanding officer, Lieutenant Commander John S. McCain Jr. called his officers together and all agreed to fight it out in service gun battle with the enemy warships. Rather than surrender, climbing up the vertical ladder to the bridge hatch while surfacing, Lieutenant Fasey thought to himself, There must be better ways, there must be better ways, there must be better ways to solve international issues and resolve to do something about it someday if he survived. I had actually was a consultant with the Pepperdine University. I was living here and they had a small think tank never got off the ground. And then I had this idea and I wanted to start a think tank, looked at the U.S. relations with the Asia Pacific, mainly because of the tragedy of the Vietnam War and the aftermath from the Vietnam War where we pulled back from Vietnam. We had this three-day meeting at about 40 people at the seminar and they all got very enthusiastic about what we should do and at the end they all turned to me and said, Joe, what do you want to, we should continue, you ought to continue this forum. And what do you want to call it? I had to do a lot of quick thinking and I said, let's call it Pacific Forum. I thought that was a great idea.