 Hello everybody, if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly Joining me as always is my co-host first of all Tom. You were frozen there for a moment with the most hilarious smile on your face That was truly wonderful Joining me as always my co-host Tyler. He's the official co-host today. What's up, Tyler? How you doing? I've been here man end of the year special. I'm excited Absolutely, this is the the end of the year Spectacular and so just the whole crew's together. So of course joining us also is Tom. What's up, buddy? How you doing? Hello friends If that's Tom team gray Look at us Good us. It's it's co-host gray. That's what it's a bear or color label is It's rubbing us. I guess we're gonna be doing some end of the year Q&A tonight. There'll be chance for people in the Chat to ask questions. I got a bunch of questions. I'll load it up What in the good night is that be careful there Tom turn but put your phone on silent Tom Stop watching tiktoks. Whatever. I was pulling up the live feed and it started the video on YouTube You know, we've only been doing this but eight years now or something fine. It's fine. That's fine I'm proud of you. All right, so Am I in a fancy bathrobe? No, I'm not I'm wearing a vest That's what I'm wearing and then I've got my apron over that it kind of looks like a fancy bathrobe It's a vest It's very warm vest. It's been very cold and I'm cold all the time And so my wife gave me this vest now. I'm less cold. That's how that works. It's like magic. You see At any rate So let's talk about some news Tyler start us off. Yeah Again for the final time and I'm sure we'll be done with these Some rumor engines that we've had this entire year. It's a 40k thing. It's a 40k thing Next new addition coming out. Is anyone surprised? No, I mean, that's just yeah, it's gonna be the case. I Would never do that Kang Don't have the hair for it. That's that's your first problem. All right Let's talk about the other interesting thing the drop today. Yeah, it was or yesterday or whatever day was today yesterday I don't remember now time is a flat circle this video talking about what's coming next year is we got At least four models if I remember I think it was this morning that it dropped. Yeah, though the first one I Have some extracted images here. They're not really in proper order. They're kind of in the order I could scrub around and grab them easily So I'll I'll lead us here this first guy. This is the corn hero Right, you know background they all have red backgrounds, but like the dude with the the acts and Some other acts and chains hanging off of them and clearly like bone pieces and stuff like that Corn hero and that's gonna come with the corn. Yeah Which makes me sad because it doesn't look like it has wings when the obvious hero We should be getting all the corn book is Volkia Yeah But sure Sure, let's get another foot corn hero because that's what corn needs You know when I look at that army, I think to myself, you know what this army is lacking Another rando hero on foot the you have way overestimated what it is instead It's an alternate skull sculpt for the slaughter breeze. Yeah, sure sure it's not a priest number like five. Yeah, exactly Yep Okay, so that's our first guy fine. Cool Slinish hero got it. That's the next one. It's this one that's up on the screen right now It's a slinish hero. It's got the thin frame It's got the little swoopy-doop behind the back that that that slinish has favored in recent Things the sword looks slinishy the little topknot looks slinishy It's the slinish hero that'll come with the slinish book cool Great stuff when like just show us the figures You just show us the figures. I remember doing this before why Just show us the figures Like who's sharing a silhouette like I saw some around but if you just shared the actual figures people would share them like crazy It'd get people hyped just share the figure that even partial figures like in the world where we just have like Like two-thirds of the model or a third right like we do it with rumor engines, right? Make it a make it a digital rumoring or like a video rumor engine hundred percent Just do something something interesting. Okay, cool Slinish hero great. Good. Glad to see it. All right. Welcome. Welcome slinish hero. Sorry my glasses were dirty and it was really bothering me Okay, next We I did bring some images like the slaves of darkness stuff here just because I wanted to use it to talk about The slaves to darkness skies. Look at that. What's what's notable about the chaos warriors in the chaos nights? I Got images amazing. Well, not only do we have images of them. Yes, great good stuff But also what's notable about this particular batch that we can see here I'm thinking about finally getting them. Yeah, we're actually there's it There's a there's a banner and like a musician. Yeah a musician and yeah, yeah, you're saying multi-part kits Yeah, or at least a push to an elaborate push to fit which includes banter and musician Sure, exactly like I'll accept it that there's just an extra arm on both fine We've been waiting since December of 2019 For these things has it really been that long since that start collecting. Yeah Yeah Yep Yeah, it's all Gw crazy, right? Yes the the entire it's a it's a pandemic plus wait. So there you go But anyways, we got them now. So yep cool. Good. These are obviously the chaos warriors and cast nights are great models Looks like there's some slightly different sculpts in a few of these cool Good stuff. Happy to see it Thumbs up no complaints Okay, seraphon guy, that's who you were gonna say, right? We got multiple seraphon guys. I know Tom these don't register for him. I have no I I see nothing Tom blacked out for this five six seconds of the video But yeah, that's clearly a new Soracy shaped guy Okay Yeah source guard source warriors, maybe an old bloods that you could do sure sure We'll do them foot the shield there. Well, that would that would potentially if it's not a hero That would point towards somewhat of a refresh of that trip Could just be a refresh of the source kit, which would be fine, right? This could be the one so yeah, somebody said I guess this confirms the spring tome. I agree I think this this little image does say the spring tome is seraphon as I guess it was gonna be because I said I don't think they've got their head around KO yet Like they are or it took them the longest is what I'll say like I think we'll either get KO is the summer tome Or it'll come after the the dawn bringer crusade cities tome. Yeah, I just think it's one of the toughest nuts to crack As far as writing a compelling 3.0 tome. I agree so And then other seraphon guy another seraphon guy a big mounted seraphon guy Which again new kind of dinosaur which again point towards a larger refresh than Mm-hmm, right. This is the one we got multiples of so there was probably a third one in here There was another one I couldn't like I couldn't get the right screenshot that I really liked it just like a jumbled mess But there was another one that I that was in there that I couldn't quite grab the image of In any way that was like readable. He's only on there for like less than a second And you can you can unfortunately see a little skank on on that one you don't have so a lot of people thinking it's a slant Our master update to go with the croak update that we got. Yeah, that's probably right I couldn't get the exact picture in a place where I liked it, but yes, I think it's probably the frog slash skank Yeah, exactly Biggo I mean what's interesting about it is we've got then that says we're getting a pretty good size refresh of Xerophon as the spring tome because we've got what either is a foot hero or refresh the source kit We got a big monster hero guy on big dinosaur. Yeah, and we got slonny slam With his little skink or do buddy, right? So there were some rumors going around of new Kroger I'm on boards with all these that's the way it's pronounced. It is pronounced Kroger. That is correct You've manipulated me to to no ends razor dawn salamander pack dual kid is another one and Then yeah, some sort sunblood eternity warden model. So maybe that's what we were looking at there. Nice. And yeah, so we'll see Love it. No issue with any of this. This is all this is all good to me. Okay That rumor that rumor did say March as well. So yeah I'm followed followed by April blades corn. He'd night and yeah, that's probably the little slowness year that we saw part of the He nut bucks. Yeah, that corn bucks. I mean, I think we've got a clear image now for our track for the first third of the year, right? Whatever we're gonna say here and Congratulations, Sarah von. I'm not angry at all that you're not only getting a new book But also getting a refresh of your line. I mean they also needed it I'm not in any way Not at all angry that they got it before Skaven sure they ate my God once but my God got better. It's okay So, you know, it's fine. I can see we're being visited here It's the end of your show show end. I don't know the end of your show. Yes, okay I mean, they've been in more often than Tom. That's true Come here Lover Most better personality Way more willing to please that's for sure. That's for sure The dogs remind you yes it like and subscribe as always absolutely very good We'll let the chaos engine leave the room here. All right, thank you dear All right, so yeah, good stuff good previews. Okay, cool. Very good. All right Uh, what else what else we got? Being something happened today. Yeah community So, yeah, I've been in some images with the word content creator Not in the background. I woke up to 19 text You know who you are Deeds So, yeah, we're probably just going to wait and so we do our actual review show. Yeah, somebody may have signed something at some point Yeah, we see as a community are going to wait until we can cover it in full Yeah, I mean lots interesting stuff. I can't wait to talk about it. I'm sure it'll be fun. Okay, so Uh, cool. Let's move on. Uh, I Look forward to a fun season ahead. All right, let's do some Pick of the week Tyler. What do you got for everybody? Hey, well, there was a certain video that we one of us will talk about here So we'll sit on that. I was listening to a little bit of Rage of Sigmar's Christmas show with little Marathi and One and only Joe Pagano talking about cheesecake and Labor movements and unions union medical just right up my all of it, you know, the experience of the ever-winner GT Amazing conversation love that podcast that you may not necessarily want to have your kids listen to it But it's it's a great show. So and then Marty Orlando had a fascinating thread on Twitter a little while ago About a new army. He's working on so as folks don't know Marty Sure, but you know, he's Luminev guy did this incredible Luminev army recently Always does these intricate complex hobby projects. Oh He is creating his own army called kingdoms of the mirrored edge And it's gonna be a complete mirror of slaves of darkness mainly because he hates painting bad guys and you know Like fly me crap and mutation that that's not for him. So, yeah, it's a really cool thread kind of going into the details It's thinking on this project It's gonna be this homemade faction Using slaves darkness rules the marks of chaos are gonna be reflected Either opposite. They'll have a noble virtue. I think it's really cool. But anyway, yeah, it's just an amazing thread I wanted to give him a shout out. Nice. Nice. I dig it All right Tom links below Tom. What would you like to share with everybody? It's fascinating because Martin actually Shared with me a video today as well that I want to promote Called the painting phase. I don't know if you all are aware of it or not but it has some friendly faces including peachy Who's the G of the one of the army Gw army raiders? Oh, yeah On this video, they were talking about curse city necromunda and a bunch of other stuff And Vince are you familiar with this video? I watched the whole video. Yeah, you did. Yeah So what it's a smoking gun folks like we had talked about the curse city and the debacle that likely happened there Yeah, like all the beans got spilled on the video as they were talking about what was happening behind the scenes the PR Stuff that happened as part of that as well the fact that like all of the models that were slated Which was basically all the Virco stuff Like Belladama all of them got rolled into Soul Blight like that wasn't originally there. That was all part of the curse city game That wasn't part of soul blight release And so it's funny like the most interesting part of all of the soul blight release originally that was all cursed city Yep The check it out Fascinating expo say on that situation and on On that that launch so and it just confirmed basically everything that what we had kind of suspected Although there were some other interesting things like the Union Jack that was on the box because of printing stuff in Chinese There's an interesting like Brexit situation as well that was associated with yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, just a bunch of other like things all kind of came together as a perfect storm of why Her city like was the debacle that it was it was super fast. Yep We will share that video below Linked down below already because I knew you were gonna pick this All has been foreseen so Yeah, I down there. I've got So everything that was mentioned is linked down below as well. I went ahead linked a video from Scott and John the boys trapped under plastic discussing their end of your stuff and discussing Vincey con when I had them over a couple weeks back they Did their wrap-up wrap back look back episode talks about the weekends. That was a lot of fun I also went linked a very nice video that maniac what did about sort of me I guess and or about his What is painting and painting like me and all this kind of stuff and it was Genuinely and extremely nice video and and just something I was honored that he made So I linked that down there as well. I want to shout out right back to him and thank him from the bottom of my heart for doing that That's incredibly kind of him to say such nice things He is someone I deeply respect for his work and as a content creator and a painter and everything So it was it was really a wonderful surprise to wake up to one like Christmas or Christmas Eve or whatever day Yeah, that's somewhere like that And see that video is it one of the one of the best gifts I've ever been given so there you go There's a lot of fun, man. I love that video all links down below a lot of people have asked me how Well, like how that schedule works. It's simple. You just don't do anything else becomes really easy Have no life have no children. It's really the magic. I tell you right now and just it just gets easy You'd be amazed how much time you actually have in your life when you don't do any of those things Okay, so With that gentlemen Let's talk about some hobby time So hobby time Tyler Oh, you've been working on Well, I Have acquired quite a bit of Nurgle from a friend to Give me I'd have some of my own But so I've got a ton of Nurgle sitting in my house right now Got a ton of paints. Yep brushes painting table Got a painting light I'm sure there's some other things I'm gonna need so you've got all these things you have all the things so It's it's gonna be happening very soon. Oh Have a hobby night Every other week Thursday with some friends We're gonna be so kind to hold me accountable this commitment. They're just going out of the way think of me Oh, yeah, that's I'm ready This is the right answer by the way That is the correct answer like I mean like I literally have a video That'll be coming out next month that I'm recording and editing about that Like that actually just setting up a regular time with your friends or something like that is actually a great way To stay motivated like no joke aside It's look you want to work out or you want to be healthier you want to do whatever, right? But if you do any of that stuff with someone else if you have a regular time You meet somebody at the gym if you and your partner both agree to start eating healthier meals together Right it if if if like other humans or social animals we respond to what other people around us do So like pain and getting together at your LGS exactly. Yeah, like like CW said or anything like that Like it's just a huge motivating factor like I cannot I cannot stand it enough is my honest answer Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun. Okay, very good. I love it. All right Uh Cool Well then Let's see Tom what you've been working on buddy well it was obviously Christmas this week and so I Got a new airbrush And so I it was a gift from my girlfriend. It was delightful Yes, and so I was Got that out and I've been setting up all of my area and on Christmas day I decided you know, I'm gonna crack a box of that the mistake I made Was including my kids in that process. Sure. Well generally having your kids having children involved in anything I view as a mistake, but sure. I know I understand that but it went from me cracking one To them cheering me on as we cracked mini boxes Okay, and so So picking up subtext. This is a thing that you don't normally do No, no normally like this isn't like I have a lot of stuff I just like I collect you can see on the shelf like I collect a bunch of your product and what is up happening is They I was like, I'm gonna crack this one thing because it's Christmas and it'll be fun this collector box And it became another collector box and then it became to draft box it Yeah, just it just kept going and so I'm in the process of like sleeping foil So if you see me like my hands moving, I have hundreds of foils that I'm sleeping Because I'm like trying to clean up my desk so I can start painting again because of just just the Just the profusion of magic that is covering it right now. So I'm trying to think about so I'm trying to get that ready because I have We have an event in a month that is gonna require a bunch of board building and me finishing some models and some other stuff So So I need to get back to cracking on that. But yeah, so that's where my hobby's been nice For myself Are you all moved in buddy? Yeah, this is my new this is my new office. Okay look great. Yeah He's on the void anymore. He's got books behind him now Yeah, so It actually is like dramatically different because this was the foot of my bed in my apartment And now this is a separate office with likes there's three bookcases here There's four others throughout the room And so it's like it is a proper office. So great Very nice For myself I'm working on one thing I can't share yet, but that's just over the side But on the good stuff for hobby thing this week. I finished up This boy my golden demon project. He's got to get a base still but that's but the figure himself is done And I'm just kind of thinking about how I want to do the base. I might make a video out of the base That's one of the reasons I waited Yeah, so this guy came out real nice this big Was he again Fomeroid Fomeroid Crusher, that's what his name is I'll give him might when I say he's done golden demon projects aren't ever done done until you go and put him in Case, but he's done like I've done all my initial passes all my initial updates I'll put him on the base. I'll be done with them and then I go to my standard ritual which is in the two to three weeks before You know golden demon you pull each one out you give him a good look over with with like fresh eyes And you refine everything one more time. That's the you get the goggles out like the goggles Look at all the look at all the lines. Oh, yeah Sexy gogs are right there my friend. They're right off-screen cuz I was already doing some of it to work on some of them Initially, yeah, like some of the elements needed that initially. So yeah, absolutely Okay Yes, indeed sickness you're exactly right, but it's been a pretty good hoppy time got a lot done over this last Week so feeling feeling good about it Alright well with that gentleman Are you ready to start the Q&A? You ready to answer some questions, okay? So here's the deal folks watching live right now if you've got some questions for the team here anything you want to ask us, okay? You can start drip feeding those into chat I'm gonna be using the questions over here that I collected from Last week show to start and the and the patreon and then pop it in the other ones as we go We're gonna move fast. This is gonna be a high QPM So no all three of us are known for being Long-winded. Thank you exactly and So we're going to handle the handle this however we go. All right, so we give We give quick brief answers will go around the horn if you don't have anything you want to answer for that question You don't have to answer anything. Okay, just be like math or pass or whatever like just don't say anything. Cool Here we go first question Puppeteer said modern times Warhammer Vince seems to want that model range I don't I don't want modern times. I hate modern time stuff I do like mixing psi Fantasy psi punk steam punk Wacky elements into it like you just mentioned magic cards like neon dynasty is one of my favorite sets of all time But like weird sci-fi elements in my fantasy are fun What do you guys think any any desire for any modern times thing? No, yep Just be could you give the context modern times Warhammer? That's it. That's the question Literally, that's the question. I'm giving you the full question text modern times Warhammer. Okay No, do you want to see works in in current tanks or stuff? Okay, okay. I was yeah, I forget that's what they groans and No, I mean we've got a little bit of I mean some of us play 40k armies and a OS I hear Oh That's you know it is around but now I think I'm good Cool. All right. We'll do one from the chat Alex said how do you guys deal with 40k players who really bash a OS hard without really understanding it or know much about it? They usually gripe on the double turn lower and what are your thoughts on 40k? I can answer that simple one. I ignore them like I don't care what they think. It's fine. I'm not like it's a great game It's wonderful. I'll tell them it's fun if they want to play it I'll play a game with them. Otherwise. I ignore them. Who cares? I don't have time for haters. You shouldn't either To what are my thoughts on 40k? It is a mechanical mess I don't like the lore very much, but they do have some genuinely gorgeous models In that range and so I paint a lot of 40k and that's kind of where it ends because I love a lot of 40k models um, I Take a different approach In general, I don't directly argue But whenever I'm in a conversation like that what I do is I ask questions Generally questions will do a lot more Will help individuals realize they're wrong a lot more quickly than making statements and so oftentimes I'll ask that Oh, what was the what's the percentage win of the highest army in? 40k right now and begin to ask questions like that to show them the disparities of like hey How how's that elder those dark elder doing? Um, and just helped it helped When when to have them respond and get on the defensive and then I'll be like well actually with a OS Well, we have a pretty tight range right now. We have a healthy made a meta and yada yada yada And just and so rather than like attacking anything I'll ask questions and then I'll just provide what a OS is and you know and then sometimes if they're really adamant about I'll just say well, maybe the it's not a game for you Okay Yeah, but I mean that's one of the pastimes of the niche of a niche of a niche a niche hobby that we're in is That's a lot of AOS players will have an uninformed view of 40k and vice versa and round and round we go So, yeah, I mean, it's I generally agree with you events like just want to move on I do find it. I mean at the consistency I find fascinating in that There's a you too. I don't want to do a shout out because they're getting more interested and engaged in AOS They probably wouldn't care anyway, but you know like early on they were pretty down on AOS and a lot of their views were Rough they've gotten better, but just the way that they talk about it the way they think about it They generally view it very casually I think I really have a competitive lens on it At least I'm a cold beta convent of lens, but it's just interesting seeing how a lot of 40k players think about AOS and then vice versa I tend to find that we we just tend to lack information a lot of people who are doing like if you're steeped in AOS You tend to lack information about 40k to have Opinions and advice versa. Yeah, it's what I tend to find good answer too long of an answer a good answer. All right Brand and s question for the New Year's show if the army you're passionate about is a bad army What tips do you have to help your play experience so you don't get bummed out since you're likely gonna lose a lot of games? sure number one have a good like Turn zero or game zero conversation with your friends and tell them not to bring strong armies Be like look I'm playing some crap here Can you maybe bring a weak army or play a fun army or some version of the thing like that? That's weaker. That's a good way to go that way you're on even footing and or to take it as a personal challenge to like figure out how to work and twist and scrape every ounce of efficiency and playability and skill and tactics and execution you can get out of your army to And then be really proud when you do pull out the victory because you weren't it So and if you're going to events and you're taking it in army like that My advice simply would be to set set expectations and goals appropriate And so if I'm taking a subpar army, I'm aiming for a three and two, you know I'm gonna be happy with a three and two if I get all my my My attack for example, and so you just need to set the appropriate Goals for what you're taking. Yep All right Was the framing of the question again? Just so I get you're playing a bad army. How do you not be mad about it? sad about it Yeah You guys said it. Yeah, I think in general I've found it's hard for most people to get comfortable with losing a lot just kind of an obvious statement, but Most of us need to get better at dealing with losing especially what we're new at the game at the risk of it talking too long I will share a very quick story About magic not Warhammer, but it's relevant when I first started playing magic back in the late mid 90s Uh, the person I played is one of the best one's one of the better magic players in the country is my regular play group and I would play 40 50 games of magic a day with this guy and if I lost if I won one game It was a miracle So I would spend all day losing over and over and over and over again every day weeks and weeks on end Okay, like I lost Thousands and thousands of games over the course those first few months And it was the best experience I could ever have because it taught me how to be a better player How to both take loss and how to be better. So, you know losing can be good. Okay. Anyways next question Uh, Dan what fantasy race would you add to diversify destruction? bug people tom elementals Good answer tyler uh Like those. I'm not sure. I'll think about it. Okay. You think about it. I like elementals That's yeah, I want to replace my answer with your answer. Tom yours is better. Okay Yeah Returning everything to its natural. Yeah, absolutely. No, perfect. You're dead on Uh, Caleb, have you ever repainted an army after deciding you can do a better job? Uh, not a specific army, but I've painted newer versions of the same army like I have three stormcast armies So, sure Nope Yeah, I mean, I would never repaint the same figs tyler. You probably don't have a thought on this one You're still on army number one. Um But like I would never repaint same army ever I would just get new figs and do something else like just get a new army. Don't repaint the same thing like Leave them as a as a those are those are an important milestone in your journey Okay, when was your second stormcast army? I know the first and the third I have somewhere in the middle there. I don't know. Oh, I don't remember you doing a there. Okay Well, he did a bronion army and then he did a did the rats Rats and then you did A normie one I mean, I guess just like there was errant stormcast paint jobs in the middle there. I guess like Okay, that's that for somebody. Okay. So Oscar Oscar Lars, uh My question for the next episode would be for each of you to invent another faction for aos that doesn't already exist Who are they which grand alliance? It's a big question, but I'm gonna make it short Okay, so we have to pick a new faction seed it in a grand alliance All right. Well, tom you already gave your answer a second ago. So that's fine. You can use that El Littles in destruction returning everything to the what the planes work done. Absolutely. I'm going construct frankensteinian weird universal horror monsters of various types See you later this month Indeed in death, uh, who are not loyal to negash. That's my answer. Um, because they're they're Created via like science magic Yeah You guys have been on the spot with stuff like this than I am. I'll have to think about this one too. Yeah, okay You think about it? Okay, uh, ben had a quick question Which was where would you go to source copious amounts of warpstone for an army conversion? I'll answer this one quickly ben Uh, the answer is your local garden center Where they have small bits of like crushed glass for fairy gardens Little tiny pieces of crushed glass and you buy those and they and then you paint them green Jobs are good. There you go. Okay uh Kevin asked what was the one hobby item you purchased this year that you wish you would have gotten earlier Uh, I have an easy answer for that one. I think it was this year. Let's say it was this year It's close enough and it's this guy It's my little wild stick drill. I hate pen. I hate so Gotcha. No, you purchased that last year because I bought mine this year. Okay. Well, that's fine. I thought I purchased it this year Uh, okay, I'll give a different answer than if that's yours, tom which was I upgraded a couple new airbrushes like specifically the um, the Harder and steamback infinities and I really like this new key of because I love how light body it is Uh, so there you go. That's my other answer Uh, and that's one that I've gotten and I I still need to bust out So I I don't be my answer if I wait Till next week to open it. It could be my answer for next year. Um, Tyler is your answer a paint brush? Hey, but yeah, pretty much Some paints. Yeah I think my answer would be I would love to see a reinterpretation. Yeah, it pains me to say this I think Darren and Owens projects extraordinary with no matter feast masters But I would be curious to see like what the city would do for halflings and aos Something kind of pulling from some of the original bones of halflings. I think would be interesting. Okay All right Let's see Uh, is war cry a good way to edge into aos from patrick Yeah, sure So It's completely different rules But if it gets them on the board of like liking the armies in the lore and playing miniature games, then yeah It's a fine perfectly fine gateway game It uses the same models Yeah, sure Um, but I I am not a fan of war cry. I wanted to love it and I just I couldn't get it Um, and so I'm critical Tyler any opinion on this one? If I may what's the five seconds on why tom? I just don't like the flow of the game and the The like it's not aos and it's not like from a rules standpoint and it's uh, and the five turn like Conceit of the entire framework Is something that in a miniature skirmish game like that Like I want something that's a little bit more expansive that can breathe a little bit like mornheim used to the pacing And war cry is not that Well, I'm never played either mornheim or war cry. So I don't have an opinion Easy enough. Let's keep moving Camp k question for the q&a advice from the group on dealing with perfectionism at the painting table I'm not a good painter and with no immediate gaming group my only exposure to completed miniatures in the painting processes from online forms Army showcases hobby videos. Sure Understand that you're I mean, this is an easy thing to say and a hard thing to do Understand that you're on your own journey and set your goals accordingly. You're not trying to be anyone else I mean, I know it sounds stupid and obvious, but it sometimes is Like comparison is the thief of joy If you want to be really sad and depressed your entire life, keep comparing yourself to everybody and everything around you Um humans were not made or evolved or have brains that are made to handle Comparison on a large scale or made to compare ourselves to like the eight people we know Right, that's it And so like you have to understand that you will always get better And the only thing you can should compare yourself to is your past self You will always get better if you keep working if you keep doing deliberate practice Um use those other things you see out there as inspiration as guideposts and Respect that what they have and what they've done is put thousands and thousands and thousands of hours into their craft To get to that place and someday if you put in the same time if that's a goal you set for yourself You could be in the same place There's no innate talent in miniature painting There just isn't It's all work innate talent is bupkus. No one has it's learned craft. It's a learned craft Yep, some people can have better eyes for color. Some people can be more creative, but in the end it's a learned craft all right AVS Question for next week if you had to pick one which 40k army would you want to see replicated for the aos world? So if we were going to do a sort of like Either directly import or homage it out who should come in from 40k into aos. We have to go into our head. We can't answer none Okay Uh, well, I already said bugs, so I'll just say bugs again do a better But like do a not ugly tyrannids and make bug people Um, but like you can just actually do those sculpts that aren't all hideously hideously ugly Uh amic uh something that's uh emergence of uh mechanical tech and uh Yeah, do that was like some steampunk golems and stuff that'd be rock and roll, baby Or maybe make it death Sure, and uh and merge it with corpses Love it. Absolutely. Tyler? Yeah, I mean it's Not that interesting, but well, maybe not some I would love to see an adeptus erotus Equivalent in aos just another Yeah, like religious fanatic If you will a sister's a sigmar a sister's a sigmar exactly. Yeah, I mean maybe we'll get a little bit of that Hopefully and dom ringer crusades Bring it back bring them back. Okay with you. Great answers. All right Uh, let's see Okay, sickness if you had to name your hobby painting style in a catch catchy way eg slap chop. What would you call it? Uh, I have no idea. I need to think about that one, but my answer is going to be um You know for now my my catchy answer. What was the other would be I'll I'll go I'll pick sham Wow, that was the other product Vince hawked. So there you go Got him Uh, mine would be the drip table. Sure. There you go. Good answer tyler Have one TBD TBD you got to develop your style. Okay. I don't think you'll have an answer for this one tyler But we'll answer it anyways. Okay. K. K. What are your favorite rpgs? I mean a lot of them. It's a massive list D&D would be at the top, but you know, like there's a ton of rpgs. Tom and I have played over the years I'm doing a rift marathon in two days. So I don't know. I guess there there's another answer for you Um, d&d address for me. Yeah, but like love, you know mac warrior and played vampire a bunch and uh, like soulbound a lot and Uh, whole bunch of other things whole bunch of other things a lot of different games. Okay. No trigger. That's an rpg game It's a video game. May that counts It's a great. It's a great video rpg. It's a great video rpg. All right, uh Wolf says I've always been curious the models you don't display but paint How do you store them all? Um, I display everything I paint. They all have room in these cabinets Everything like I do not have cabinets. I don't have yeah, everything's in cabinets. There you go Uh, so mine is a recent development. Um, I instead of cabinets, I have everything now in uh, like clear bins stackable bins Um, and so they all have like metal sheets on the bottom And all of my models are magnetized to them And I just have uh shelving upon shelving of bins of models Um, and then a handful of them all bring out in display on bookshelves and stuff like that But in general I keep mine magnetized in bins In the dead, cool nice Tyler any thoughts on this you store anything anywhere? That's okay. I know not really terrain Yeah Okay, other than normal things like working out. What do you do outside of the hobby to keep busy? Um, I spend time with my wife and watch movies. I play magic and I play role-playing games. There you go. That's what I do Tom Uh I uh, you have kids. That's that's the singular answer I have kids and then like I'm like I Like I have professional stuff. I have a job But then my professional stuff Is uh, like in that sense, I'm a creative like I'm an academic and so like that stuff just absorbs as much time as I'm willing to give it From a writing research Yep, that's not my job so cool Tyler yeah, uh, spending a lot of time being an uncle with uh six year olds and with family Oh doing a lot of reading watching movies I think two out of the ordinary and spending a lot of time on my background coordination gig that I've been doing for 15 years on various cool projects There you go. Yeah Uh John alias says is scaven that bad of a first army to play not counting painting. Yes. Yes Is the answer it is not a good first army. Sorry It like it struggles in some of the fundamentals It doesn't mean you can't do it and have fun. It just means yes. It is that hard Uh, Cygnus asked if there's no musical hobbies just to bounce off out of the question not me No None of us are musicians. No in any way. Yeah I would have learned the guitar growing up It still could but yeah a lot harder now at this age Oh Wake Phillips any plans to dabble in some old world coverage or reviews when that time comes? Um, sure. We'll look at it. I mean, I probably won't care about it much because it's a rank and flank game But we'll we'll talk about it Of course, it's warhammer a cool mission It's it's it's a fantasy related warhammer project. So sure a note. Have you guys ever looked at the one page rules? Projects with the various systems that they have. Yeah, like it's the way I would play 40k or or whatever if I was interested Yes, uh, I've been meaning to look at that stuff. Yeah, it's good. They do good work. Okay Uh, okay, let's see Uh, oh my god We're neil i'm gonna shrink this down because it was he said what is your favorite battle plan and least favorite through all three editions? Like that is too hard to remember exactly. Oh, that's easy easy. All right Here's my time to say what's our favorite and least favorite battle plan. There we go. Okay. All right, tyler start you you got it I mean, it's it's probably got to be border war because it's the quintessential 2016 O.g. Of age of sigmar. Okay, at least favorite Oh Lord Relocation orb. There's probably worse ones than relocation orb, but Tom is that your answer as well for least favorite location or least favorite relocation orb? It cost me a depicon and um And uh first blood is my favorite Okay, okay, like just simple straightforward simple Now that was the o.g. Basically first blood. Oh first blood. No, no I'm thinking of the rich that like the very first. I think they had the very first battle plan I think that they ever did I think was called first blood Then of course they did. What was it 2020? Whatever it was, but yeah, we I know the one you're talking about now right, so My uh, my answer is going to be a good old fashioned, uh battle for the past. I mean, it's just a great classic Uh scenario and for the worst one the answer is going to be anything that shuts off teleporting Huh Oh interestingly enough that's Some information from today that may be relevant in that regard. So I'm gonna Know which way I'm going to put you down for yeah, there we go Okay Uh, how would you uh, jose says how would you introduce players to the painting side of the hobby the same way? We did with tyler We we we work on them and work on them and work on them We use some mix of shame And inspiration and guilt and kindness and and giving them free stuff like paints and figures And teachers setting them tutorials until eventually they crack like an egg And uh and and get in talk talk a lot about your your your 12 year olds your 10 year olds painting more things Then you're you know 40-somethings. Yeah I that works really well. Uh, it's not gonna ask you more. I have models painted by a six-year-old last week Excellent. There you go. And you know what they look pretty good But yeah, I mean just like inspire them and show them how easy it is like through something like slap chopper That kind of a method that's really the short answer is to be like because they're people won't do it because they think they don't Have any artistic talent. That's always the thing. Oh, I'm no good. I can't paint things You don't need any I'm going to show you how to do it again It's a technical process and once you once you demystify. That's the real answer. They'll get into it Okay Or slammer like magic or chess when I play any game I play competitively and I'm a tryhard You're a spike. I get it I ruined playing games with playing with my friends. Am I doomed to just play fun lists to keep them on the hook? Um, well, there's two options there if you're playing with your friends then Uh, yes, you should be playing weaker lists And that should be the challenge you set for yourself to win and play very competitively with an extremely weak list Like there's no real skill in list building in aos anymore because you can just net list out Tournament winning lists very quickly and easily. So like congratulations. You did you also looked on the internet um, so what you should be challenging yourself to do is play with what you know are Uh, objectively weaker pieces and still pulling out the W's Right that is how that's how a true spike shows their skill Um, the second option is find other people who are really good at the game and have them kick your teeth in And that will very quickly, you know kind of place you and then it make you you'll be back in a place where you're striving to improve Yeah, and you'll learn all the tricks tricks of the trade on the other side of the table. Yep Like you'll watch the like you'll The fastest way to learn something is to lose to it You know Yeah, because if you lose to a technique or a tactic, you're going to remember how to do that totally agreed All right. Yeah most of good stuff Uh, Sean. Okay, buddy Sean Sayer. When did you start playing warhammer? What has been your favorite edition and why sure? I'll give you an easy answer I started playing warhammer in 1997 My favorite edition of all warhammer fantasy related games is the current one Is this third edition of age sigmar? I think it is the best version of this we've ever had If you want to restrict me to just a fantasy answer, uh, sixth edition post ravening hordes was the best and then uh, but I'd also Take late fifth pretty quickly and easily Uh, and But yeah, aos tom I had exposure through mordheim in 97 98 um, and But I was poor so I couldn't buy armies. Um, and so I didn't actually get in until 20 13 ish 2013 2014 at the end of eight, um, and then into aos Okay What edition was the high elves versus orcs and goblins with the the card was that Second third, maybe third 1992 93 94 somewhere around there Uh, high elves versus orcs and goblins was for the goblins particularly for addition Okay. Yeah, that was my first edition. So whatever that was. I think it was somewhere around that 92 94 range And yeah, yeah, um, then it took the usual 20 year break that a lot of us take I got back into 2015 Probably in this edition. I mean it it has been fascinating this year We've talked a lot about the growth and complexity of the system, right? And that we've lost quite a few people and yet the game is in the community still going strong Hopefully we'll be getting some of them back in the coming year through various ways. We'll see But yeah this edition Cool right on Okay Uh, let's see Should ghb seasons this is from jason should ghb seasons change the meta temporarily for variety versus just adjust the larger ongoing game Uh, I think they should be once a year. They shouldn't be twice a year And they should be a pretty new season that changes the The game and and they can play around with significant elements of the game As long as they're a full year long. They can be a pretty heavy change That's my answer I agree with that although I I don't like it being a super heavy change Like I think that the gb situation of this last year like i'm glad you didn't have to play through that for an entire year I probably would have not played in the second half of the year Yes, uh, so I generally agree with what you said benz. I'll just leave it at that. Yeah, I the last six months It feels like the roughest that we've gone through and we've gone some rough periods. Yeah, yeah We it doesn't it felt from day one in my first like game and few games with bounty hunters and all and all that This is not the interesting mark that we know Just felt way too different and that never went away Sure All right. Yeah, john shaves Uh, here's the question. Let's say we change the rule to roll for priority Uh only happens between turn two and three and between turn four and five But you never hear a complaint about it ever again. Like this is this is a magical genie wish being answered here All right, would we make that change like would we only do it between those turns where you roll for priority or something? And then you'd never hear it ever again. Would we do that? No because it would ruin the game The heart of the game is in the double turn I'd rather I don't care about the complaints again. Who cares if you don't like it Don't play the game like cool beans. Great. I don't like it's fine if you don't like that. You're allowed to not like game elements I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying Okay, that's cool So I know I want to keep the game good and and tactical And skill testing which is all things that that turn does Uh, well that priority rule does well, and then I don't care if people don't like it They can there's like a lot of games out there, man Yeah, generally agree. I'm personally more amenable to potential changes to Determining round one priority, you know, we might I could see an adjustment to that, right? I mean you could easily imagine If Vince you out drop me you get a plus one to your roll That's it. That that's your benefit. Sure. See that one thing. Yeah. Yeah the turn one. Yeah in terms of drops and impact on drops That's one I could see some potential tweaking to but yeah other than that Yeah, I mean Like it would really I think it the incentives that you would create if you were to do that it would it would change Um everything it would change how everybody sets up because everybody would end up setting up conservative The word it would be a big change. Yeah changing. Yeah, it Maybe yeah, I mean like said that's a whole discussion. Yeah in terms of the details of that whether that's a good idea Bad idea, but yeah Okay question mostly for tyler as a fellow cabalus s2d fan. What else do you want do you favor bringing along? Okay, well, I've been excited to see the uk spikes are catching up to the soul screen bridge Oh, uh, shout out to phil and toby and all those guys Uh, 20, you know, two by 10 shows and I'm being snarky. I don't do snark very well I just feel bad about trying to do snark. It's not my personality so Soul screen bridge Is amazing in and cabalus and s2d it it addresses Some of the mobility issues and you can stack buffs like plus one to charge from the banner Plus one to charge from slanesh slanesh banner on 10 shows and come in seven re-roll And you should like, you know deliver that most of the time Oh, yeah, that's one is amazing bells, I think Jaws and shards of aligar. It's a pretty good combo, right? Half movement run over them with jaws 36 relative to their move characteristic. I'm gonna do some work with that uh, I haven't tried out the what's it called the Not the rum scourge rupture. You can also do rum scourge rupture with jaws as well Dark fire demon reft. I haven't tried that out enough. It's fairly expensive But there might be some play there Particularly if you have two other endless spells on your list because for each in the spell on your list You get an additional mortal wound that you do It's rupture or with uh with dark fire demon reft Yeah, there's all kinds in the spells that are interesting with cabalist. Good answer. It's the best faction Just that easy Alejandro Ramirez, do you ever repaint old milestone models like first models or first fully painted army? Uh, not the model itself, but I've painted like I've gone back to a model I got a new version of it and then painted it again many times just to like compare where I'm at now directly to what I did before But I always leave the old one intact How many how many high queen collegues have you painted for I think over time? Yeah, exactly. That's a that's a great example, but there are others. Yeah Uh, okay, will we get will beastman get more than the beast lord for new models? No All right next Uh, mr. Lee mech shop. Would you like an aos ancient style game? No, I don't know what that I'd like. No I get everything Yes, I'd be interested in something like that. Does that mean Tom? Do I say? Like so it would be something set in the functionally in the mythic lore of Of the predawn. Well, that's just it. Is it is it? A mythic period where you've got gods going crazy and then that kind of a time Okay, that's one read of it Or is it an ancients game like warhammer ancients where it takes all of the fantasy stuff and turns it down to zero Hmm. Oh, no. No, I'm less interested in that Which is how I read the question Uh, I like high tech stuff in case that's not obvious I think it's fun to have high magic and high crazy and gods everywhere and things like that So, I mean we're just talking about like epic Greek myth warhammer where it's like you're summoning gods left and right and things are wild and you're doing the 12 Tasks of Hercules. Sure. That's fine. But I think you can do that in like normal aos I don't think you need a separate game for it Yeah, I was gonna say it would be interesting to see them explore more like the age of myth setting But how different how much different I don't know. Maybe that could be quite different from what we've got But we already have so much Then this this climbing we've got got we kind of got the pantheon already. We've got lots of gods that are out there So, yeah, but the age of myth You're telling me that a horse heresy release a style of Volkatricks and grim near these huge icon models, you know where like Some armies are getting the equivalent of You know these huge like not only just god models, but like large scale Ridiculous things on the table sounds great to me. Sure Best smaller than full aos game to introduce someone to the hobby war cry underworlds curse city rain and hell anything else Well, first of all, I've heard that rain and hell game. It's pretty fun I would definitely vote for that like it is it is legitimately a fun gateway game And it is a pretty small commitment as far as models go and you know, it is a very different set of mechanics But yeah, I think it's perfectly fine gateway game Honestly, a lot of small independent skirmish games like that depending on what you're interested in like space weirdos if you're interested in Uh sci-fi or something like that or frost grave if you're interested in fantasy or something like rain and hell I do think those are great gateway games Um, yeah 100 I mean uncle Adam over on tabletop minions. He talks about gateway games all the time And I think simple skirmish games like that are the way to get them in My vote is silver tower Um, because the conceit of silver tower is super simple like it's not there's not a lot of complex mechanics It's still using the roll above mechanic for attacking. Um There's no wounding obviously, but it's just like an auto hit like roll above number hit, you know, or you know, whatever like Yeah, um, but it On top of that, it's cooperative Um, if you're trying to get people into it the easiest way to to ruin somebody's day is to play competitively And so you're doing something cooperatively can get them into that kind of world and mindset and then be like, oh, this is neat I want to I want to I want to be the army with those bubblegum monsters. Cool Like And they're painting involved. So it's all the elements of the hobby in a board game Nice very cool. Good answers. Okay Uh, awesome all right Uh, did you do should we get a sigmar model? No No, I think you should say above the fray like he's too He's too much just for the same reason you shouldn't get a chaos god model If if like the second he hits the table, he's not actually the equivalent of the chaos gods and that's what he needs to be in the lore Uh, okay Will you be doing what's also prime? He's he's he's awesome. Yeah, absolutely. Will you be doing more episodes based on polls? Oh, yes, very much so we're going to be doing some very fun poll related survey stuff in 2023 tuck in for that Uh, there's a lot of things I want to know about once the season switches over Uh, yes. Yes indeed get ready get ready for everybody to be answering lots of survey questions Uh, we already failed as we mentioned the painting phase podcast with peachy earlier Um So we'll go from there. So we answer we talked about that Uh, do you do you think destruction and death will get their fifth factions eventually? Yeah, sure on a long enough timeline. Yes Like will they get another army is what he means in there? Sure. Uh, let's pray that it's elementals and um And uh techno zombies Sure, absolutely like like on a long enough timeline. Yes, they've they've sprinkled too much inspiration Around the lore for these other things for it not to happen Okay, uh Tyler question for you. How many wild woods is too many wild woods in a silvan f army? Oh gosh, uh, three years ago. I've been a great person to ask this. I haven't played them enough I would Yes, okay. So three two boxes Would hope would have most people covered, right? That's a total of six You can generally get by in the half dozen games that I played with putting out one usually you put out your three With your your pre-deploy right often you put out your three and then you put out Three individual ones and there you go. I'd probably more competitive players would say three boxes You want to go to tournament and be covered that should be enough Still probably a little too high than the account It's better than ever He asked the detrick asked this of me, but I think it's a question we could all answer What's your favorite current game mechanic? And is there anyone you'd want to get rid of forever? So I'll I'll answer my favorite current game mechanic. Um eye of the gods from s2d. I love it I think it's a very fun mechanic. It's fluffy. It's flavorful. It's cool. It's rewarding. It's interesting It has build around but you don't have to build into if you don't want to It's great. It's that and it's everything you want in a rule Uh worst mechanic is anything in the heat nights of slinnish book Tom or tyler How many thoughts Uh, I think the uh, the normal rock is my favorite Sure. Oh, it's a strong answer disease disease. Yeah, amazing mechanic. Yeah, normal disease is great Feels good. It feels the lore appropriate again for the same reason not overly powerful, but certainly strong Feels like you're playing a nergal army. Yeah, totally Yeah, yeah Yeah, I my uh Um And what I hate the most is bounty Sure Controversial answer I want to go with battle tactics You hate battle tactics like battle tactics a lot Not uh, there's room for improvement on the execution of battle tactics but Having the core system Incorporate secondaries. I think it's been a net positive for the the game on a number of fronts The execution could could be better And but yeah, at least favorite man, it's hard to not answer bounty hunters. It was really terrible Sure as as we probably I'm assuming that's already going away. So I don't have to yeet it into the sun. So there we go Yeah, exactly. All right Uh Faust says if you could add one new unit to your favorite army, what would it be? What would your one new unit be? Okay, tyler go Good I mean they I had a wish list on 7th and they hit about three fourths of it. Uh, so Let me think about that Let me think about it Tom Uh, it's clear. Uh power armor ish Uh Okay, our terminators. Yep easy answer slam dunca rune right there. You know All right Some equivalent of badass angelic lumineath And that's your onyx side, which I would hope that we're gonna get. I mean, obviously I'm picturing Bring on the Terrell's Terrell from Diablo and and that whole At court like that's that's what I want to make that army feel whole cool Uh, my answer will be for scaven and it will be anything that can just shows what scryer is capable of With thousands of years of additional research and technology Thousands The difference of time period between all of the tech we have to put in the game right now Okay, like when that technology was invented and the current time in age of sycmar Is longer in the real world than when they constructed the pyramids Okay What you're not taking into account vents is that they live in a pocket dimension in the warp And so time doesn't pass the same there you go those Scaven as it does in the mortal realm. It's totally fair for them. It's only been a century or so sure uh Still far too long again a century ago tom we invented cars Weird Whereas just recently we cracked nuclear fusion. So, you know, I feel like we're There's some room there. Get a potato, you know, sure Okay Uh, all right Uh Question from an aos painter learning to 3d print how big is too big for aos terrain pieces joke answer bigger than six by four Real answer, uh, like because then you just print the board. Um, you know, real answer is sure train pieces Get too big. I'll go to you guys. What's too big in your mind in my mind I like a big terrain piece, but if it's too big it just be you're instantly making it unimpassable That's what should be achieved to be garrisonable or impassable I disagree So here here's I don't think there is too big Okay, okay And the reason and here's the difference is that the question is it's a difference between being too big and being Navigable Right, so it can be huge, but as long as there's easy pathways. Yeah. Yeah, there's no points to movement I don't care how large it is, right? Yep Yep, it's when it's huge like it's like a bucket in the middle of the table. That's when I have a problem Yep What I can't do anything with it and I have to spend an additional 22 inches to get to the other side of it That's when I have a problem All right get on printable scenery and go through some of their terrain sets and look for some of the biggest pieces And some of the biggest pieces are probably too big I would say so I Could be wrong on this, but I think I overheard Dave or anthony comments on nashcon this year That they did feel maybe some of those tables did have some pieces Yeah, yeah, that were a little too big So I may have been uh, I may have been chewing their ear about Like as night haunt totally cool You know with with this being here, but everybody else probably doesn't like it sure With with terrain, I mean there's a few rules of thumb, you know Have at least a couple of line of sight blocking pieces Have a few sort of mid-sized pieces And then have some smaller pieces maybe a couple of scatter, but obviously we would play generally with eight pieces There's various approaches one common one that I love that garret has been promoting on the west coast That's been catching on is pick two to be garrisonable pick two to be impassable pick two to be Obscuring slash wild woods for line of sight blocking. I think that works really well. Yeah Okay Uh, cool. All right, let's Uh, let's keep going. Okay next up next question Uh Jesse Uh So here we go Jesse says the biggest question that I have is something that comes up in the episode This is from last week. What would an aos version of mordheim look like Tom you want to take this one? Yeah, we designed that and it looks shockingly like The uh, what was the game that they made that they ripped our mordheim off of um No, uh, what I would say is that uh, I think that it Uh, like we did a version right after aos launch in that first month been tonight in four weeks We put out an aos version of mordheim and you know what? I would say I think it's it was pretty damn good And I think it helped like I think we could pour it in the third edition and I think it would hold That said it's a lot of work. We're not going to do that. Um, but I think that um, I think that there's gas in that engine You know some version it it is a modified version of basically back to glory of what now become back glory is what I would say Okay, easy enough Uh, all right a non Had this anonymous that didn't have a name question for the the q&a Would you consider doing a show focused on non mainline aos in 2023? Like, you know covering underworlds or the soulbound rpg or the other in celery games. Yeah, of course Absolutely. We have done so in the past. We we will do so again. So easy answer Uh, nicholas any thoughts on old world? Is it happening next year? What faction are you planning on playing? Uh, no, it's not happening next year I would guess 2024 at the earliest just given their schedule and None would be the answer because I'm probably not interested in the game But I leave myself open if things are cool and the game is cool. Then sure whatever whatever. I'll I'll see what they all look like Anything from you guys? They confirmed it's 28 millimeter. We're around there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah Uh high elves were my well both of us our high elves were our first love So, uh, I'm definitely gonna be curious to see what high elves look like Yeah, it'll be nice for tom because they'll print about they'll they'll do a bunch of new high elf sculpts And then he'll just use those as luminous that I click Um, right time for the hearing interaction. Um, no I I have probably tomb kings I would love to see them do uh, tomb king in And I have to imagine that those are high up on the uh, the list. Um, or otherwise, uh What's up my job birds? Uh, polar bear riders kids like I can be kids Yeah, kiss less cool Everybody loves an ice effect. Sure all right, uh Uh, wary Do you think marauders and cultists should be on their own should be their own cast factions separate from ironclad warriors and knights that focus on a north theme No I don't think it's an interesting enough army to just like have barbarian dudes Like I don't think there's any there there It's like they're interesting when they're part of the larger tableau of chaos And that could be because chaos is a ladder Right and they are I've heard that I've heard that before. Yeah And so they represent the lowest rung. I mean, that's just the bottom line Yeah, they they need to be better implemented than they are right now I would say the the implementation was one of the weaker sides of that boat particularly on the dark oath front They left some things to be desired there. I think yeah There wasn't as many much power pairing in interesting ways where that could be a Unexpressed virtue now if you if you ask me should that be a way you can express the book and build out to just do that Stuff within s2d in a fun and rewarding way. Yeah 100 on the board with that because I think that's perfectly valid There there should be more of a way to lean into that Okay, just no they don't need to have their own like book and army and stuff Okay, uh Vincent company have you looked at any other war games to the interest any particulars if yes I mean I all the ones that we've made as part of snarling badger Studios like between writing games and then playing aos and everything else I don't have a lot of time to go play other games But sure, I mean I played malifaux a bunch for a long time and liked it just fine. It was a it's a good game I love the mechanic. I love the cards all that kind of stuff. So Either you guys Yeah, yeah Yeah, one of my goals for Couple next couple of years try out other games like I want to try out the game of thrones game song ice and fire I think is what it's called. There's just so many games that I want to get a better A broader palette of game design and yeah, how these first games work I played a song of fire and warcraft fire ice fighting Crows whatever it's called I played that game And you know like Uh, many actors nice enough to take me through a game last time I was there visiting them and like it's a very good implementation of a rank and flank war game It's it's a well designed well executed rank and flank war game That I found just to be the epitome of boring because of my personal tastes Not at all because of the quality of the game They actually had a lot of really creative and interesting things going on. So like if that's your jam, it was great Right, it's just not my jam. That's where the It's personal taste versus The quality of a product like it's a quality product. It's not a quality product for me And because at the end of the day, I would argue that aos largely Plays like a skirmish game. Yeah on a large Totally like it is like aos is a skirmish game on a large table yep Saith asks if you could only own one Army in aos What would it be you get one and only one army? Boring stormcast Eternals. Okay, this biggest range It's still I mean, you know, it gets crapped on a lot It's phenomenal how it plays if you enjoy Johnny Combined arms mixed arms do a little bit of everything Jack Valtrey's master of none. That's it's an amazing army that you could play forever. I think Tom Skaven Like I love Skaven and I love slanesh, but I've played Skaven originally They're the first army I chose and I stand behind it and you can build lists with Skaven all day and into the sunset And they've stick with me for 25 years now. So I'm not leaving them anytime soon Well, for me slaves at Arknas the reality is is that it's four armies in one Like you could basically redo the same army multiple times with different With different focuses and different paint jobs and all that and have there's just enough variants across the entire line That it like it I could spend forever there in that space Exactly my first was that my first real army wasn't nervous I'm hoping Tom that we do see a decent amount of a Have you want to qualify it a a better amount of variety than I fear we may see In the coming year with that book even though. I think we were all very high Very high on that book It's probably my favorite battles in the year might be all of our favorite battles Um Of the year But I'm a little worried that there may not be as much variety as meets the eye In that book when it comes down to it at least in terms of competitive play Well, but and that's fine But the reality is is the range is large enough and strong enough that you could over time there will be Yeah, it's a lot 100 that's true. So because reality is is that like I'm never going to choose ko because They've never proven themselves to be like the like that book. I dread each iteration the next iteration You know, somebody asked like what's my hopes for that for it new units and basically new design philosophy for the army Like that that's what my hopes are for ko For the reality is slaves of darkness something will weather the school Yeah Definitely. There's always something. Okay. Cool. Good stuff Uh, all right next up Uh, I'll answer this one quickly. Konstantino's friend of the show. What's up, buddy? More of a hobby question, uh for for myself Here goes if you could put three pieces of any miniature painter in a museum any museum Which one to three pieces would you choose and why would you choose them? Uh, sure? I'll answer this simply. Um last light or whatever buy roman la pot. That one's an easy one It's super classic in the hobby. It's an incredible piece. It's an all-timer It is like the definition of amazing because even though the individual models when you zoom in or not like incredibly painted It is telling a story on a grand scale. That's rarely been replicated Uh, so that's an easy one too There is a beautiful piece that I don't know its name by matt di Pietro of an armored crusader knight that I that is just like So wonderful and fantastic by me Right by my estimation That is to say uh of where where one side of it is done in a very historical Sot way like very painted realistically and then you flip it around It's the knight is on a palette like on a painter's palette And he's just swing around he has raw paint and the other side is very painterly and colorful and expressed and like All this kind of crazy stuff and I just I love it so much I think it's just such a beautiful exploration of like art and what miniature painting is all on one really genius glorious beautiful piece That I just think is absolutely fantastic And then the third would be a very big diorama done by Sam Lenz some years back with a girl from kingdom death fighting a bunch of like nergal isk Demons, I just think it's one of the biggest most impressive pieces. It has this incredible background He took casts of his own teeth to make teeth For the board like it's just it's just great on every level. I love everything he did with it It just think it's like inspirational in every way shape and form. So those would be my Me would be the sarvasties the gosh. Yeah, sure. Oh, absolutely the with Yeah, yeah that piece has a name. I do not remember what it is But yes, it is also like absolutely honorable mention right there like the throne of the gosh. Yeah Yeah, absolutely Okay Alan Wesley question. Why no real mixed demons faction Anymore with the first the legion of the first prince do a and allies are most useful Why isn't there a combined demons army like there is in 40k? My answer is because the game is Because of balance Like everybody wanted balance. This is what you get everybody says. Oh, but balance is better for everyone No, it's not always sometimes you run into mutually exclusive choices and having cross functional choices like that simply has the We'll create an extremely swingy high variance environment because every time a new books printed For any of those armies you can draw those demons from You could swing the army way out of character because of now the combinations it allows Like the regression the testing it adds to keep things in balance becomes way too high If every the more every book lives only in its own ecosystem the more balanced the game is It's the reason why we don't have a goal Yep Yep. Yeah, there's Sure, there's ways to do it, but it would be a lot of work and Yes, the the updating on it would be a lot But god, I would love to have it especially for Sean sear because that man put in work He is he is committed. I know he misses it. He misses it dearly Yeah, I mean, I love the idea but but everything you guys said is is right There's just a lot of challenges to do it, right? Yep Uh, okay So, uh, I'm gonna Tyler. I'm gonna throw this one to you. I think you should take this one Top three tips for going from a three two record to a four one Oh, that's really good Yeah, that's the that's the foot off the gas Beat spot right there. I'll bring in I bring in another panelist So top three. I'm filibustering top three tips Uh, number one You really need to know your army incredibly well You need to get extensive reps in I mean unless you're Phenomenal at the game and you can play a few games and you just know everything in and out But yeah, you have to know what you're doing. You have to know your matchups And at least enough like I think bench your a good reference point on this You don't study the battle tomes all the time You're not looking at tournament lists all the time But you have a good modeling in your head about what everything does like a sufficient modeling, right? You're an 80 you're an 80 20 guy so you need to be at least so Let me that so that's one do you guys tom you got one? Yeah, I need to know what every other battle tone does like I'm like yes 80 20 sure The reality is is that gi joe is right? Um in the sense that knowledge is important, but they were wrong and knowing it's half the battle No knowing is 90 of the battle Um knowing what and what you're staring at when you set up your board like set set down your models When if you can look across to know what the capabilities are what the movement ranges of what you're facing are It makes the game imminently more doable, right? If you don't know what they their faction does if you don't know their tricks if you don't know their items Then you're dead in the water You're you're literally playing board And so if you want to go from a three two two a four one know what all your enemies Sure, uh, and my final tip we'll just we'll go around the horn for this that'll be fun Might will be uh more reps That is say just get actual play experience with your army more put in more reps and play more different armies Um because you're gonna learn things as you actually hit the table like play more battle plans Play with more different terrain play against more different armies play against more different people vary all of those things and you will Uh You know you will you will naturally skill up, right? Yeah, absolutely You want to do everything you can to minimize surprises? Yep Yeah, and yeah, and kind of related to that is risk is developing a sense of risk making risk assessments It's because husband and kind of yeah, I mean there's there's we could part a lot for there's so many things We didn't charge show Yeah unit You should be able to look at a unit and know about the average damage that that unit is probably going to put out against Their match like whatever they're lined up against So that when you like you know who needs to hit what who needs to activate first How those fights deal when you when you look across you need to have a general idea of what that's going to look like Now, of course you can always get caught out Right by statistical outliers and that's the difference between the 5o and the 4 one Okay Yeah, no right on all right robert vanalsen. Do you think aos would be better off with d8s or larger dice types? Um, I think it doesn't matter if it would have statistical mathematical benefits Which I do I like bigger dice types for various and sundry reasons It doesn't matter warhammer is a game that uses d6s Like sometimes ephemera matters and like people would not accept the game suddenly having a bunch of different weird dice Yeah, um, this is a sacred cow of the game. Yep Yep, so like it doesn't actually matter if it's better for us It's a sacred cow and so we can't kill it. There it is Well, that's on in that last one Check out miss cast podcast. I mean, we did a good show I think uh called get good check that out if you haven't yet But those guys have been killing it this year. I think with their episodes, you know Just going through different topics giving incredible advice darin I went in company and be confident when you're playing warhammer Like that was something that I had to get better at on the table. I told Vince my breaking my Moment where I changed and actually it impact was my loss against shan clark Nash con in 2019 As I anyway, I lost that game because I was playing shan clark not because of what he was doing right yep Okay favorite things to listen to while painting Just youtube sometimes a lot of music on but mostly it's just videos like listening to other people's videos about listening to other people's videos about painting or battle reports or Magic stuff or whatever people talking about d&d or any of the hobbies that I engage with or things like that cool Uh, I I just saw tram's comment and that's right that that should be chop fast Tom is definitely your paint style name to return back to that for a little while back That's a classic right there All right Over here going back Uh Lakey my question for the q&a would be if you guys could pick up Any out-of-print model unit for any faction and change them up a little bit to fit current aos army and bring them back in What do you pick? So any anything that's been legended or retired or whatever who's coming back? Okay, I will start the obvious answer. This is shout out to you tristan You knew this was coming and it's the only answer and that is setra The undying king uh, the king of kings the great hawk the golden hawk Lord of kemri and all of the deserts that he surveys like obviously setra should come back He shouldn't even come back with an army Just bring him back as like a go trick style character that that that can be taken by Various incendiary death factions and that'd be great He's still cleaving his way through the realms Times like he was just chopping his way through the world. Yep Um I agree Yeah Yes, Vlad and isabella they were two of my favorite characters. I mean I I know I mean they actually had incredible spoilers They had incredible endings I would never want to see flawed come back because his ending was so beautiful and so it was I know That's that's a problem with that. Yeah Like give me 20 more years and I'll be ready. Okay. Like sure It's like a bucky situation. I was always against in the 90s I was against like they'd been they'd rumored bringing bucky back Right and I hated the concept of it, but then enough time passed and into the 2000s We got the winner soldier and I was like, oh, actually, this is amazing Right. I I loved the way that they they actually did then bring him back So like you can do it you just gotta you gotta give it enough time to where I think it's impossible And then you can do it Sure One for domus o'ryan just just o'ryan. Thank you very much. Nothing nothing else Uh, tino might do you think the aos six month seasons is an issue? Yes Like a hundred percent. Yes. I think it's an issue and he said, you know, what if you get it? If you get a dud rule said it's going away faster. That's true Uh, but like I just it should be a year done For for a million reasons we've talked about on this show There's a lot more nuances and details to that as we've gotten into but yeah, sure Absolutely, uh, okay Uh, ryan has a question specifically for tom. How can you hate the idea of aztec space lizards writing dinosaurs? I don't know what you're talking about Good answer Okay, just skinks that number one and number two and number three I see I see nothing Sure any good west world fashion All right Peppo peppo comfy. Here's the question. We're gonna give it. He wanted to know are we all Like what is our spike? Johnny timmy identification? Okay And then what's the one thing you wish someone had told you earlier in the hobby? Okay Good. That's a great question. Sure. So I am 75 timmy 25 spike That is that is me Uh, I'm a 60 40 johnny spike. Okay My good days. I'm a about a 60 40 johnny spike Yeah, uh Yeah, I'm a little more spike than I realized as we had a we had a show of self-discovery with mephisto one time Yeah, it's a journey of discovery. We're all on What's the one thing you wish someone had told you earlier in the hobby? Tyler is it you can paint you can do this? Uh, that's a good one. You know, I still remember my first game against, uh, andrea at war Adept con when there was only like 30 of us, you know, brad, andrea and company alex and his wife and organizing it You should Leave your hits and pick up your misses. There you go. It's been an entire game Not doing that because I had no idea. Anyway, I just always think about that. Yeah. Yeah, I like it. Yeah um, for me it was that uh, expect, uh For your models to be, uh, obsolescence Like I didn't I didn't realize just Like I was under an assumption that was not Because I looked at I looked at the history of warhammer over 20 years, right? And they were using like some armies Which are using models from the 90s and stuff like that when I jumped in 2014 And so I was just like, oh, so like there's continuity here So when you do a thousand dollar investment into an army, I can expect to use it for the next 20 years Um, and the reality is is like that I came in right for aos and that was not a true statement Sure. So yeah No, that's fair. Um That's a great question. I love that one Yeah, I don't know. I mean mine would have been uh, what is something I wish somebody told me earlier Uh, how to like actually shoot and edit my videos properly. How about that? That's what I wish somebody told me Okay, uh Ryan what are some good models techniques to use to help transition from contrast paints? I did try acrylics once before but youtube tutorials didn't click and it was very disheartening Uh, the answer is just going back to good old fashioned layering Ryan like that's the being able to control your paint consistency is the great challenge of miniature painting being able to say This is how thick or how thin I want it and to be able to apply that paint On to the model in a reasonable way. That's it That's the that's the shooting match right there. Um, you get that down. You're in a good place So like any model can do it It doesn't really matter, but you know good old fashioned space marines or or um, or or Stormcast are are great bases for that, but that's that's really it Uh, I mean like to add on to that like my my go-to is going to be like, hey go buy some of gw's old glaze paints But I don't think they have the They don't um Yeah, uh, like learning how to thin to a glaze right like that's that's the other half of this is You know, and this is functionally what vince said in less elephant. Um, but it's learning how to Uh, or or even learning like a triad system, which is another version of it Um, which is base coat wash and then the highlight up on the edges nice Okay, patrick asks if you could travel back to 2015 and re-release aos for the first time What is the one thing you would have done differently? Uh points would be the easy answer. That's just a slam dunk like actually launched with points So people can build armies Like had a general's handbook from the launch from the rip and had command abilities as part of the game from a more concise understandable way What else I I would have launched everybody with a book in the start. There you go. Sure Um, and like it like in what books functionally eventually became So, yeah, I was going to say it's um start with 2016 sylvaneth, right? I actually had real books. Yes That's the first book But also from like a lower world standpoint Like we didn't even know what these things were because the original war scrolls were on like white pdf Right, like it was like text formatted on a on a white background And so like there was not even a sense of like what these armies were and what their place was in the world Um, and so like even if they were releasing each book as a 30 page pdf that has like lower army cohesive identity and then war scroll like that would solid Be worrying about be careful what you wish for because we ended up in a great place. Thanks to the absolute chaos Sometimes you got to go through the sometimes you got to go through chaos to come out the other side It started as a bunch of tadpoles And eventually we got frogs. Yeah, but it was a it was a messy process there in the middle now We're like beautiful butterflies. All right, uh Cygnus maximus uh speaking of my son vince, can you tell gram that it's cool to wear an apron while painting? Yes, it is super cool to wear an apron while painting Uh, because apparently gram what I hear from you this question that Cygnus asks is you're getting paint all over your clothes See That's not cool, man Making your your mom and dad or whatever do the laundry Someday you're going to be old and you're going to have to do laundry and that's going to really be terrible And when you tell young people this they never believe you they never think that the future is anything to worry about It's far off in the future So here's what i'm going to say gram if you want to be cool You wear an apron if you want to be not cool, then you don't it's that easy, buddy All the cool people wear aprons maniac in his recent video wearing an apron. He's pretty cool, dude like I went when when I had sam lenz and john and everybody over we were all wearing aprons You know why because we're cool dudes So, I mean if you want to be like the coolest miniature painters around you can wear an apron If you don't if you want to be some loser don't that's your choice in life. There you go Be who you want to be Probably a sign on your door says apron required to enter Uh Okay, uh This is a nesco Sdy nesco What are the three armies for a osu would suggest for learning the game as a new player? Obviously iron jaws is one. Yep easy Oh Let's see Ogres, yeah, I was thinking probably probably monster trucks ogres. Yeah, that's a really good one Let's pick one that we don't what's one we wouldn't normally pick because we always go ogre's iron jaws Well, the destruction faction in general other than gets is a good place to start. Maybe that'll be different soon Um But sure I I I have an answer for you. Okay Nurgle uh And nurgle's not bad. It's not that big. It's not that complicated. It does some stuff, but it's it's within the bounds It's an easy army to paint. It's a fun army to collect Nurgle like that. Yeah, I get behind that It's still an extraordinary battle zone. Yeah, and about you could throw a dart at that battle zone and it's going to be playable so Yep, more or less All right Let's see. Oh, we scrolled now. I lost where I was Oh, no, okay. While I while I scroll here we go uh Christopher said what was the most formative learning experience that you've had during your hobby journey game or painting I'll let you guys do that while I scroll the questions back to where I be Tyler, what was the sort of what was your formative learning experience moment and then tom you go out after him Like I said, I I really do at least the story that I tell myself that game Uh, we you and I talked a lot about it on that car rides every year we've we've talked on the phone for the most part from nash con and I just Having that experience of being looking for the foro to go play for the win In the final game and then losing it because I lost it in my head That was a very important useful experience going forward that has meant the world in my performance Since then. So yeah, that that one really stands out You have to there's no michael jordan's of age of sigmar Apparently, there's no michael jordan's even necessarily painting like I was very surprised to hear you say that you don't you think it's more Yeah, there's no michael jordan's of michael jordan michael jordan was an incredibly talented basketball player until he got to college and where he was coasting on his talent And didn't and then got cut from the team Yeah, no, absolutely. That's a good point. Yeah Okay, and then he went and then he went and worked his ass off Right, and he became the goat right like He had he had a bit of a head start no doubt at bet with his talent But like he would not have been the greatest of all time without working So hard watch the last dance to see that. Yeah on netflix. Absolutely Yeah, that you yeah, you can beat anybody at this game and now it's going to be hard to be gavin A top aos player in the country. I know who that guy is now. Thanks to this year, but uh, but you can get there Tom There you go. Okay, you're back. Keep going similar experience At the end of a depth icon Um, where I just realized that like It was no longer playing Like I didn't have anything to prove And that kind of epiphany was a real big like uh It really like It changed the game for me Okay, uh for me No, please I was just I didn't quite how so Um, just because it freed me up from like the go like games were always events were always super stressful for me Yeah, like you gotta you gotta go 5-0 I'd have to go 5-0 or you know 4-1 and um, it just freed me up to be like Uh, no, it's okay to lose occasionally Especially to scenarios, you know like in that in that weekend. I went second in the thousand point Third in the thousand point I think it was yeah second and third because there were two half day thousand point events We tied for Some like I believe we tied for third place or tied for fourth place in the teams event on friday And then I was playing for the championship on the on that saturday sunday Um, and it was my like 13th game of aos and four Sure And like suddenly I just realized that like it. I just got to where I was like, I don't I don't have anything to You know, like I don't need uh, I don't need to stress myself. I can take bad armies and and And not have to worry about like proving a record Yeah, nice For me, uh, the very first miniature painting competition. I went to was crystal brush and I lost but I like I got up I got into the final cut but then lost and It was great. It was great to lose. Um, because it led a unbelievable fire in me to like try harder Uh, and push harder and all that kind of stuff. So there you go Uh, sickness says these people they love random swinginess of the random priority But hate relocation orb. Hey, I don't hate relocation orb. That's these guys. I love relocation orb I thought With with uh, swinging priority. It's a one zero Right. Um, so you have two very two variations of two possibilities whereas relocation orb was 100 It could move all over the board. I got yeah Yeah, the mathematical difference is significant. Um, where one is testing in a general's ability To predict and plan for both both possibilities each each turn the other is roll a dice and see what happens sure Uh, young alias smith. What army was the most fun to paint? Uh, my sons because it's painting four individual big dudes so Easy money right there. It was a lot of fun just because you get a big paint four big character monsters tom Um I think my nervous army was my my most fun to paint Just because it was the first time I really did a full army and so I got to see the Like the army come together and as well like I had some fun weird techniques that actually like Like It really paid off and so it was the first time I actually like Got to see everything kind of come together from the table and and got to see that cohesion across models and um, and I just fell in love with like Hainting those models for what they were So nice glad somebody had some fun with your nergal army tom Well, the rest of us with the rest of us did not. Yeah, exactly I had fun with my nerve army in every state sure Okay, uh pierce asks, uh That we he says, I know you don't like lure vince. I look I don't I don't hate lore. I just don't care. There's a difference. I don't you know, I don't I don't muster any emotion for it. Okay like Uh, but if you had to pick a factions lore who you like the most who is it? Uh, scaven. I mean, it's it's awesome second place is easily snatched. It's the army I plays Because I don't I don't care about the specifics of the thing That's like I don't care about the specifics of the lore like this person was here doing this thing at this time Who gives a who? All right, but the general feel the theme the vibe The story they had a broad macro scale that I love and and it's those two armies tom You say it don't you still mind you're gonna still mind. I know it. Go ahead Ah to your quartz Bless you to quartz. Yeah, sure. Get a quartz. It's the best. It's the best lore in the game slam dunk tom Uh, I like KO. I just do Like I like the sky pirate Dwarves that who decided to just peace out Um at the end of the age of kR at the beginning of the age of kF Yeah, absolutely Okay In the day, oh, let me just jump in at the end of the day it that like they're the current court like nugget Of what they were is what allowed me to reimagine long-grown slayers as sure like uh as you know, so like it It's their actual fluff that gave rise to Like the conceptual, you know whole Tom question for you from Sebastian. Did you test your mixed arms luminous and how did it go? And where does your deep hatred for serif on come from from? Um Did I test my mixed arms? Yeah, I played it a couple times. I don't hate it It's just it's what everybody else is playing now. And so it's not interesting to me Like this is the this is what it means to be a 60 70 30 or 40 Johnny spike Is that like it's interesting to me until suddenly I realize that that's full of what lumineff is playing And then it's not interesting to me anymore Because I don't want to play mainstream. Like that's not what I'm interested in. I want to I want to edge shoot I'm like I want to find the things that other people aren't doing and when suddenly it's the main and the plane I'm not interested in doing that thing And I don't understand the second part of that question Fair enough Okay question for myself along your path as a painter and artist this is from yon What were the big stages you went through and what were the remarkable aha moments that you remember even today? Uh The standard same as everybody else will go through or has gone through or or whatever or is going through Which is like learning thinking you're pretty good at a thing and then realizing you're not and then Uh Realizing how much more you have to learn and then climbing up. It's just the standard Everybody has the standard learning curve on any Skill like that and it looks like that. It's the I overconfident to down into the trophid despair and then the slow gradual Uh linear move up. It's that's exactly what it is and I continue along my linear journey today aware of how many Uh still how many steps lie ahead of me a near infinite number. So There you go Um the aha moments I mean the first time I cracked, you know, how to really use an airbrush or oil paints or any new new thing Or or nailed some effect, right like um Sort of like lighting effects and things like that There there's individuals but but at any time where I felt like I had a good breakthrough on something I think those were were it and it was all just like deliberate practice I'm gonna do this thing and suck at it and I failed enough times until I got it to somewhere where I did it Okay, and that was it Just I I tried things and failed lots of times until eventually I got okay at it Okay, uh, which faction that this from jeff which faction that already has a 3.0 book needs a new book Stormcast cruel boys anybody else who want to throw in this mix Yes, I mean, that's it, right? Yeah Hmm Yeah, those are Definitely would start with those I mean you could probably you could say war clans Well, I mean obviously iron war clans except iron jaws sure I do think bone splitters was a miss Then benjamin savva was appropriately upset And in the show we did with him Hmm Look, yeah Those are probably the main ones. Uh, you guys are pretty down on fireslayers We're more down on fireslayers than I was Yeah, I don't play that faction. Yeah, like we'll see I I mean It's going to be exciting in the new in the new world of the new ghp. Um, I mean what I'll say is I There's just a lot of limitations of that book especially just baked into what the army is Um, yeah, a lot of a lot of your complaints seem to come down to the fact that it's a small model range Yeah, they're not that's a I mean, I know we have iron jaws as counter examples are moving for Yeah Right. Yeah, they're iron jaws, but without the variability of iron jaws small model range So that's yeah, that's a real issue. No, I get that but I yeah anyway. Nope. I think those are the three good picks Uh Com's somalettes. I'm gonna take a swing at that interesting question here What's your favorite useless model as in a model that doesn't help your army But you keep trying to find a way to use it or you like it, you know What I mean, are you like it's something about it makes you want to keep putting it in the army Even though you know it's not going to do anything. That's amazing. Okay Uh I got a couple mutalith vortex beast. That's an easy one Uh, the doom wheel. That's another one Uh, tyler what you got? I mean, I think most competitive stormcast players would would say cellist in prime He's amazing as an ally, but almost nobody runs him an action stormcast list and I refuse to not run him And I've managed to get some good results with him, but yeah, it's probably it's probably him Nice tom Love that question That's a great question because yeah, we all have our use we all have our useless pets, right? Like that's just yes Uh band band uh banchees. Yeah, mereborn banchees are your answer. Yes Because you keep going to the plate for them every time you're like no, this is the time They're really good now and I'm like nope. They still suck tom And I've been right every time Okay Yes, uh red wizard we kind of already tackled that to bring back one more character from fantasy who would it be so we talked about that one Um, how powerful or useful should neutral units endless spells be so like incarnates and endless spells like that How powerful should they be? My answer is not very Um, but like useful in strategies They should be built more to be linearly useful in particular strategies more than they are built to be generically powerful So like if you happen to be running this strat Then you take this thing and it it gets and it draws its value that pushes it Worth its cost like over and above what its Worth is out of the fact that you have a synergistic plan for it That's interesting How many thoughts on that? Yeah, I mean I like by the way, lots of games do this. This is like it's not a crazy thing like this is a thing in magic This is a thing in dnd. This is a thing in tons of other games Like it's just things will be contextually useful and that's the answer If I didn't trigger the doublet, I'm filibuster not answering it but intriguing the Year of the Incarnate our first year of the Incarnate We're probably about to enter another at least six months of the Incarnate with the next model I'm sure we're going to get where the double-edged sword's nature of it, right? Where it did appear to meaningfully bring up the bottom And it was also used at the top in some instances z inch dollars of cane, etc So I mean I I like one. I don't like the other How do you get the good and not the bad? Maybe that's the way what you're talking about there. I'm trying to contextualize that a little bit more Yeah, that's an interesting thought. I never heard you express that before in terms of of that Yeah, but generally it needs to be less powerful. I think I have a less powerful footprint than it did this year Yeah, yeah, I mean a less impactful footprint than it looks. Let's let's give an easy example here, right? Okay, let's take something that's generally kind of trash right now Just we'll do this quick like the gravestorm whatever it's called. What is that thing called the dumb? The dumb earth one that goes forward and it's real big right that does like one mortal wound or something What's that dumb earth one like that? um the uh Grave tide suffocate suffocating grave tide. Thank you. I couldn't think of the name Okay, so let's take suffocating grave type for example, right? suffocating grave tide would be cool if it was written to be like It goes forward some pretty decent number of inches right and The unit it hits Like it then reduces their movement down some for charges okay and Like when they roll a charge they you know roll twice and take the lowest or subtract two or I don't know We can pick some mechanic, right? I'm not trying to spit out the perfect mechanic, right? and As long as they're within Uh six inches of it if you charge them Okay then Their bravery gets reduced or or they suffer some extra penalties from battle shocker They can't use inspiring or something like that, right? So it's like playing into a strat like stopping them from charging and you're going that's a pretty broad strat Right, but it's for a specific army. You could get more specific You could have things like this is good If you're if if you're shooting at the target with a unit that's within 12 inches Of the endless spell then some bonus, right? So now okay, it benefit bonuses close range shooters, right? or You know if you're if you have a flying model nearby Right, then it you get benefits like if you're attacking that model and you're flying and they're not then this bonus Something like that, right? so Again, like don't get hung up on the specific ones. I'm saying but that's the contextually that's what's happening The key is that they need to be designed for strategies Rather than just what it does spotch mortal wounds, right? Yeah, exactly. I agree So, okay And by the way, like one of them could just be does a bunch of mortal wounds at a decent range And that's fine. Like that is also part of the strat, right? It's okay Caleb have we addressed whether boxers or briefs provide the leg up at top tables? It's obviously boxers I will also accept boxer briefs. Okay Uh, all right um Let's see Next question. All right, uh W soren So I had said as a game designer, what would you add to age sigmar to improve the lots of melee foot assassins and non hero monsters? I think we can all answer this one. We don't need to be game designers so we're trying to improve regular melee foot heroes and non hero monsters Well, I mean, I think for the first one we're testing some of that right now in the upcoming current season based on the previews We've seen Okay, in the in the released previews Uh non hero monsters. I mean my short answer to both of those is they should do a lot more damage Uh often like they're just not worth it damage wise in most cases There's there's two problems with melee heroes. Uh delivery mechanism Yeah punch Right. You're not damage, but they also need one of those two They they also need to be able to get to the target and so Or they could be complete damage nightmares and have to walk across the battlefield, but that still can be useful Sure. Sure. Like uh go trackers like that, right? Um, and so it needs uh, they they're always there needs to be a linear right line of delivery burst damage And that needs to go on a design spectrum that that is the balancing act, right? Of like how mobile and how easy do they get to their targets to assassinate and how much damage do they get Absolutely, well, son. Yeah, and right now most of them just can't get their target no matter no matter how much damage they do Yeah, and even the the top end of the damage dealers Leaves Fair amount to be desired in my mind. I mean like a no work mega boss eight attacks three threes minus one two damage Okay, you've got some ways you can buff that, right? You can call the wall. You could go destroyer Uh, I mean, he's he's good. It's just he's he's the exception. He's not the rule Right. Alpha is another good one. Um, but the problem is is you're just priced out when you look at the rest of the army No All right, brian asks for each of you if you could change one core mechanic feature of aos no matter how dramatic or subtle Or likely or unlikely gw would ever contemplate it What would it be? What's the one change you would make? I would create a starter battle pack and rel and I would move battle tactics to be only part of the Uh, only part of the the competitive battle pack. Got him. Take that tom Because I just think they're a huge hurdle right now. It's that easy Core mechanic that would change Hmm, sure I mean, I would jettison battle tactics into the sun sure And I like I think they're too useful to too many players It's just I I think I would jettison them straight into the sun and I would create every scenario with secondary objectives baked in sure That's what that's what I would do So that uh decisions for secondary objectives are based on or you like the The battle tactic type thing is based in the baked into the scenario rather than this generic thing that everybody does every every game Okay, well hard disagree, but it's okay to be wrong tom We also need we're gonna have to do a show together. Oh, we are gonna do a show together On well, we'll talk about battle tactics. We still haven't had that in-depth battle tactics because yeah, yeah So I think the the whole pylon we've talked a lot about the whole pylon system still leaves a lot to be desired and now we There Things may be improving or may not be we'll we'll we'll find out soon But I really liked the monster battle that they did with galley vets. That was one of the highlights of the last six months So in terms of yeah, half inch half inch Okay, the lot easier so yeah Very good Uh canceled logic asked are there any painting techniques? You're still trying to master have you collected them all by this point? Canceled logic. Let me land shoot on a secret. I'm still trying to master all of them no matter how basic There is no such thing. There is no painting technique. I consider myself a master of zero Uh, that is that is the nature of the journey. There is no point where you hit max level in this game It does not occur You will always be hoping to refine your your capabilities and techniques Okay, uh, all right, let's see Uh next question uh, emily Friend of the channel Emily who's awesome said for warhammer weekly tom is known for let me be clear and hello friends Vince is if it's wednesday, it's warhammer and the iconic sure Tyler what is your catchphrase? Hi That's the thing. I'm not catchphrase oriented, which Unfortunately, well that is to be determined tbd If anything actually tbd is my catchphrase of the year. I think that's probably I took so much I am such a tbd personality You know meetings now. Let's let's let's give us some time to get that meeting scheduled We don't need to have that meeting right now. You want some details on this on this of all wars pack You know, you know, it's going to be a tbd on it. So yeah, no, that's probably it So we'll see if anything comes to light all right Uh, let's see Tom you and I can answer this one quickly Uh, neil space says non-wormer question and in magic. What's your favorite color combo? Uh commander like like what what color set are you for your favorite commanders? Uh grixx I'm gonna give the same answer. Yeah, we're but it's it's absolutely grixx Yeah, 100 which is is red blue black for for everybody and What's the elevator pitch on what that means? Uh, it tends to provide an interesting Like collection. By the way, my answers would be either grixx or mono white Okay, those are my two answers. Um grixx is red is a bunch of like randomness and destruction and and interesting sort of sacrifice effects and that kind of thing Blue is control and card draw and other wacky things like that and black is like death and and kill So it's just like it's a lot of kill control Basically, I I have a different psychographic profile in magic than I do in in warhammer To some degree Yeah, okay. So what are you in magic as a johnny spike for me? It lets me lean into as a johnny because of all the control and all the neat combos and stuff like that It lets me do a lot of So while it's in my head right now, I'm just going to go and mention this I show that we need to consider doing the new year Is doing the leg work. Maybe we'll get some help with this of going through every battle tome and white dwarf providing the battle tactics into easy medium And unlikely or sort of likely You know, maybe Unlikely you go out and invent it anyways. Well Well, that's going to be an increasingly relevant discussion Maybe in the in this new season But anyway, I think that would be very helpful to go through that landscape analysis of where are we in fact with the battle tactics Yep, to being the sweet spot, right if you can get to that likely category That might set you up well for the future Okay, cool Cody asked do you think we'll ever get an order versus order new edition release box? Yeah, 100. Yes. Yes, we will like they'll do it at some point. Yeah If we got plutonians versus lizard men at some point in the past believe it it can happen Like sure, they see like a lumina versus storm cast or like a malaria thing or whatever Yeah, I'm learning to and uh larian versus You know storm cast Okay, uh Wake Phillips, do you uh, do you think Uh, that we'll see some supplements that allow us to build aos armies with some old world stuff I mean, we'll do it people will do it regardless of whether they have rules for it I don't know if they'll support it at all in the rules, but I don't think it'll matter much We'll do it anyways so I mean, I have I have elements of 40k stuff and mixed into my aos stuff. So Yeah Yep, I mean my necromancer I just built is a 40k model base Which one? Uh, you have to say Fair enough You might be a my may I may be trying to to win the conversion model. Okay. Okay. Yeah All right, uh, let's see next question Uh What are your expectations dr. Zeffi asks what are your expectations? For fourth edition So in 2020 Four, what are our expectations for fourth edition? I will I will start and filibuster a little so you guys can think about your answers because I've thought about this One, I hope we simplify the game back down some Two, I Like it's the core experience. I'm I'm okay with it and then like and then put complicated stuff into the battle packs Two, uh I Expect that we'll see a lot of the rules that are showing up in ghbs now Show up in some version of either the fourth edition core rules or the battle packs Uh associated to it. I think this is beta testing for all of that and Three, uh, I would expect and hope that we fix the entire enhancement system and stop it from being goofball stuff And I just realized I've had this dumb red dinosaur up the whole time when I had a different picture for this I was I was gonna say it on there, but I was like man, you could you could have really done some better I have a piece of art specifically for this and then forgot Fantastic It's when you say when you say fix the enhancement. What do you mean exactly by fixing? I get not a complicated nightmare with good reasonable choices you can make That are contextually useful since they're universal items and would hence then appeal back to the same premise I talked about earlier I agree with all that completely if that's the only thing I would add is I we can expect three more of them Yeah, I I'm hoping that we've hit the crest of complexity and we're going to be going down Which is more or less what Vince just said that I used the right word there. Maybe I didn't hit the hit the height of complexity The yeah, it seems I think you did a video at this At one point in terms of the evolution of warhammer systems just that you know growing complexity and then a reset etc So yeah, I I do hope that that that's what we get And that it's not not a massive change sure Okay, cool. Dr. Zeffi had a second question, which is what is the biggest disagreement you guys have regarding aos and the hobby Well, battle lines drawn is the greatest battle plan ever so we can start there I think battle tactics is probably a line between the three of us. We all have different we all have a different take on it Yeah, and it's usefulness in its presence in the game. I think that's definitely the big one Yeah, that's a show Yeah, that's that's another one trying to think if there's another one. That's that's the one that really stood out this year Yeah, really? I mean that's I think that's been the dividing line. Yeah in our in our opinions. Yeah Yeah, somebody was very wrong about base of nergal Sure, I'm sure I wasn't wrong about anything, but yeah Ben asks how often do you think of philosophy when hobbying for aos? Whenever what I happen to be listening to on youtube is philosophical related content is is what it is because I put I try to put on a lot of you know thought-provoking stuff Uh as well. So I just got Uh adam smith's america For for christmas, which is a book. I'm very excited to to read. It just came out recently And so I was like listening to the three-part freakonomic series around The history of adam smith and who he really was and all that and it was an absolutely fascinating series. So that kind of stuff sure it's not Quickly it well it touches upon philosophy events and I've talked a lot about uh tom I don't know if you listen to him uh Ezra Klein's show now Ezra is a is a liberal slash progressive But he does a really good job of having a diversity of guests and thought reflected on that show It's not just a bunch of liberals talking. So do each other sure. It's a great. It's a great podcast uh Okay Let's see Uncle mike who is your favorite gm you've played with? Well, I mean I assume you're asking for rpgs, but I the answer is probably the same for tom and I But it's our old friend travis. Yeah, exactly. Who's maybe the greatest gm I certainly the greatest gm. I've ever played under probably one of the greatest in the history of of game masters like he's singularly Good at the thing So, yeah Yeah, Tyler. I don't think he played many rpgs. So probably don't have an answer As an aside, you should never underestimate the ability of the gm to uh to like Empathically kind of read people and or read table and understand how to adjust accordingly Yep Let's see jason. Where do you find folks to play the more ancillary gw rpgs? I'd like to try soulbound, but it seems so niche my normal rpg group Like I have a weekly rpg group and so I just brought it in and said berkman play this That was it Yeah, when you're the gm you can do that I mean everybody was down for it. It's a very like if you've got people in your life who play dnd Then they're basically ready to play soulbound. It's the same game. It just switches the Uh a d20 mechanic for a dice pool mechanic, but otherwise it's like the same game Yeah Okay Uh, any concern alice andro asks any concerns the old world will siphon away aos players No Yeah, I mean that it feels like that's sorting Already happened. I mean like this would be the question I would say like is there a real fear that That horus heresy pulls away 40 Yeah, and I think the the answer they clearly came to was no right as a business so Do you want it's just it's it's drawing from a different pool of players. There are different expectations for what that thing is Um, I don't think so yeah Okay, uh We're gonna let tom answer this question. Uh, what do you think the associated animal for the lumeneth river temple will be EG like foxes cows, you know, what's what is the animal going to be for the river temple? It's it's it's it's a real question. Of course It's the most dangerous animal in the in the animal kingdom. They have thought of us Yep, hippo All the way if it's not a hippo, we riot. Okay we're hippos Uh Shannon and what are uh, when are we going to get Warhammer weekly battle reports and or army tactic rundowns? Well, I mean we talk a lot about army tactics and stuff like that already I'm sure we'll do those kind of deep dive shows as far as battle reports Hey, I've I've been trying for years Like I talked about it. I was like, hey, I'll come up like, you know Regularly we'll like do a bunch of games throughout a weekend and then edit them and and he's like, nope Oh so Tom I'm very likely to be following the same path where I'm just going to think about doing content And a youtube channel for the next 10 years and never do one So, I mean, that's the best bet but I would love to hear if anybody has thoughts ideas on what they would like to see That's not already being covered. Like I said, I think miss cast. I hope they continue it. I love that podcast There are others the battle report front is covered very well. This is a Warhammer weekly show I have to mention season war. There are a lot of other good ones I mean, there's so many great battle report channels out there. We have we're flush with options So on that side, we we don't really need another battle report channel But there's so many people doing great stuff. But yeah, I mean, hey If Tom and Tyler want to start recording stuff, I'll I'll host it. That's fine. You know, there we go I think that there is content out there That that we can expand on Tyler if you ever want to talk about that But at the same time that all takes work and now we yeah, that's Other things to do Sure does Okay Uh, let's see. What would it take to get any of you guys to play gets A good book uh What like I ordered this Spiders is the answer more more love for spiders. That's what we'll get Tom playing Like yeah, that would get me But like I already have like over a thousand points of spider painted. So that's not sure and and I have um, I have a moon a loon shrine painted and a bunch of Squig units put together. So trust me not a whole lot is the answer for me a good book would certainly do it Okay, yeah Uh, we need to get mitzi to record a battle report. I think that was the most fun I've ever seen anybody have played more hammer added up to god I was watching him play gets I don't I can remember which adapter kind of was but yeah, that man just embodied that army Was it just an absolutely gorgeous gets army? Yep All right, uh, let's see Bri says I'm not sure about the name age of sigmar if you had the ability to change the name of the game What would you call it? No, I like it. I like aos. I like age of sigmar. I think it's cool I like it being named after the hero I'm good with it I don't have any need to change it to be anything else So it's my take but you guys anything you would want to change the name to I yeah, I Hear what that person's saying. I don't have a name suggestion But I think I'm yeah resonating with that comment on the name and my early reaction to the name Then it didn't grok that well for me early on for what it's worth a lot And I think that I think that vince is correct in that I think Age of sigmar actually captures a number of different elements of that The kind of mythic character of it the the focus on the hero as opposed to the villains I Yeah, I I I I would have to think long and hard about it. So to be yeah Yep, okay Uh, bri says if you could kill off a chaos god, who would it be and why nergal because he sucks next Oh, man rude Easy greatest get nergal is the absolute greatest chaos god i'm sure it's down The Kill he's the most uninteresting chaos god It's corn the answer is corn really is corn. Yeah And and it would be it would raise like so many questions Like when suddenly like the skull throne is you know, like is the rector Of the actual right And then what does that do in a world of war hammer when rage and war lesson, right because like manifestation of Of like wrath, right? And so like what does that look like to the world if that god is defeated? Sure. Um, and so like it would have really interesting consequences um Guys want to see them kill a chaos god No, I mean we put one in prison for most of the games so far for the past eight years And that was interesting enough. So, you know, like that's cool. You can we can do stuff with them. I think it's interesting Like they don't have to be always ephemeral and be on touch like putting slinnish in prison was pretty cool It's a cool thing. Yeah likewise. I think that we should kill straight kill off some order gods Yeah, like we we can we talked about killing people in last week's show like yeah, we can we can ice some people Like doesn't have to change anything about the way the game plays Right. I mean technically to be clear technically Nagash is iced right now. Like he's not sure He's just like a weird spirit hovering over in shayesh, right reforming his body Right, like that happened. Um, I could likewise I would love to see marathi suck it like Or or a marathi lose her identity in cane like for a cane to be truly reborn and marathi to lose Yeah, uh, yeah, like I think there's some interesting like storyline development If you're watching Marcella, I apologize on his behalf for that comment. Sure Keith Rogers if a group of casual gamers who meet regularly wants to play match to play but can't justify buying You know a ghp every six months. What's a good source of interesting battle plans? All of your past ghp's answer number one. Just keep using those battle plans uh, number two Is the three that are in the core book. Uh, they're perfectly fine. They're good battle plans and you can do that for it or answer three or four or c or whatever number i'm on Uh, tyler's four pack of battle plans that he put out that are perfectly fun and viable But yeah community stuff like that Anybody else have any other answers they want to give? Oh, yeah, that's good Make a stable of like 11 or no, let's do um Yeah, you can make a stable of uh Like 12 battle plans Uh, that you determine by rolling two dice like the first table the second to determine the The battle plan or whatever and so you have even odds on all of them and um Like I take your best 12 right for the last eight years. Sure. Thank you And you're good to go Patrick callous. Do you have any recommendations for playing an inefficient build of a force more effectively? I don't have all the models list building skills yet and keep getting stomped Sure, I mean, I think a lot of the things we talked about earlier are the answer there Patrick But it really does come down to knowing the enemy forces Like because you need to make the most of what your stuff is and the way you make the most of your stuff is by knowing exactly Like the capabilities of their army and where you can apply the pressure to get the the most use out of it That's it the more you know about them the better you can use your tools Yeah Feel free to leave a comment patrick on the video With your latest list and we can take a look at it and send any feedback Send any thoughts I would be curious kind of where where you are what you're playing Okay, uh very good, uh derrick. What's the worst aos army to paint? Uh Well Zige is up there a lot of slain ash, especially the new mortal stuff is up there slain ash or zeech mortals Zeech so zeech mortals ish um zangor and Slain ash zeech a slain ash mortals mortals. Yeah, I Honorable mention Probably has to go to scaven just for the sheer amount of it Right like just a pile But the bone jangles on The those two chaos factions are Silly Yeah Okay, I was gonna say somebody who doesn't know anything I would have guessed lumineff. Yeah, also another one Lumineff were a super fast easy thing for me super fast like they have a lot of detail. That's it. They do they do I think they can be done because of the way that the layering of the cloth and all that is I think it can be done quickly and can be done in it like nicely It's really hard to do that like for me Like I airbrushed all the tones of the cloth like I did a radiating color on it And then win and just painted the breastplate painted some trim and I was done puncture Like you can't use a technique like that on On zeech because of the way that like the models are inside like a lot of the normal techniques that you would use Because of the layering and the depth differences. It's really difficult to get some of that activity on zeech That's right Flaming says what's one rule you'd live from 40k and bring to aos The answer you you mentioned it in your your thing and that's proper terrain rules I'd simplify it down. There's too complicated, but but it's just proper terrain rules like that has to win They actually have a proper terrain keyword system. I wouldn't take their system exactly. I'd simplify it, but but that Oh Cool, like it's that easy. I mean, right yeah Yeah, I can't think of I mean I we've talked a little bit about I've watched a ton of in particular tabletop tactics battle reports I just I find that channel. I mean, they're so fun to watch They've just started getting into age of sigmar as well And they had a competitive series a league that was great Find the secondary objective system in that game compelling But I do worry about it. Maybe I don't know it seems like it might not be a great idea to try to do that in aos As I find it compelling as an alternative secondary system. I'll say that Okay, yeah Terrain is the answer. Yeah, absolutely like Like boy, oh boy. Okay Uh Marcus two part question best advice not to covet thy neighbor's army faction ended with eight armies Uh, and why is ever desk the best season of war? Um, so I mean I'll answer the first part which is Yeah, I understand that the stuff that you're the other army Your yes, it's just a grass is greener problem. You look at the one cool thing the army does and you're like, man That's so cool. I want to do that thing But you got to labor through everything else that they do as well and have all their restrictions Right, so that's the reality of the thing. I mean just understand every army has strengths or weaknesses I guess and every every you you don't feel the weaknesses until you're piloting the army. That's what I'll say Uh anything else from from you guys No, I mean, I'm I'm having to look up what ever desk does Which is not a good starting point. I'm sure that season of war so Ever does subtract three from range wouldn't you pick friendly some of the units place of power from the woodland depths modified hero. Okay, exploding sixes Uh I haven't heard many people playing ever desk Uh, please tell me if I'm wrong, but I haven't seen that. I agree. I haven't seen people playing it either. Yeah Uh, I I don't think it is sadly. I mean, maybe it could be at some point in the future. We'll see Okay Uh, I see my wife was in here chatting. I noticed her earlier. Yes My wife did give me a new apron made of like actual like rubber or something Uh with like a fabric backing for pouring resin. Is it like like it's like it's a lab Uh, uh level apron, right? Like it's something you'd actually wear in a lab Handling handling damage dangerous chemicals. So there you go Uh, okay um Let's see Boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop. Yeah mark. I've got a I've got a long list here Just so you know, I'm ready for you if you need some more questions. Oh, I've got so many. I'm just scrolling to them Uh mark. Yes, that was one of the pieces. Absolutely. That is correct. If you're still watching Uh, I think daryl. We talked about that our new armies that has never existed in aos Bug people elementals all that kind of stuff that we'll go back to it tyler. Did you think of an answer? Yeah, I said Well, I love nomad feast masters would be curious to see what they would do with halflings like a reinterpreted age of Sigma halflings. Yeah Okay, very good. All right next question, uh From shannon does your spouse significant other family have a favorite thing about your hobby That they like to get in on or be a part of Uh No It's like my significant other is Kathy's obviously perfectly supportive of my hobby and my my place and she's extremely supportive I'm I'm blessed to have a wonderful partner But no, she's not interested at all in any way she perform of any part of the hobbies I do So she has her own stuff. I have my own stuff Uh Mine occasionally watches the stream and it's actually she loves watching me get excited about the things that I enjoy And so like For her it's just watching how I light up and engage with the community whether here like she's joined me for an event Or just interact with folks at an event and just watching me enjoy Being part of the community and that's uh, and so that for her is something that she thoroughly enjoys Very cool Uh Derek your most memorable instance of npe for yourself playing tom in 2016 hit nash con easy money uh Get negative a million to hit do no damage Go home. I went and got a sandwich. That's it. That's the end of it. This is the worst game I've ever played It's a horrible Like tyler that weekend too. Yeah in a minute. Yeah, we had an amazing game Yeah, and tyler beanie Dant Thank you. Thank you for a better player than me as we statistically prove at dash con this year. Sure Oh God bless him, but playing lumeneth is just a terrible extra any any player that I've They could be the nicest people in the world. That's a rough army to play teclas sentinels doing their nonsense Not the not the most fun in the world. Yeah, so I'll just say lumeneth If that's Derek center, he plays lumeneth You're a bad person Derek despite being one of the nicest guys in the community You need to stop playing that army. Actually, it's probably fine now. It's much better now Oh, this is a fun one. Okay, uh herald of manway hypothetical question How many points of models would you need to be to play or who knew the rules? But had never almost never played the game assume they have 2000 so like How many how many extra points do you compensate for skill differentials with is effectively the question here, right? Uh, okay Uh, I'm gonna say that I think if you take like If I played A really high skill player, you know somebody who's like Truly the best in the country and I had 3000 points and they had 2000. I'm not sure I'd win With a thousand extra points Like I think it's more than that is what I would say But are they are they asking for our skill differential or or So like how much like how much better could we beat somebody or how much sure like What could I go down to to beat low skill people? Is that what you're asking? That's what I think that's what the question was. Yeah, sure. Okay. We'll flip it the other way around Uh Like I think we all think we could do it on 1500 right that wouldn't be an issue I I have evidence of doing it on 1500. Sure When I lost murathi term one and then nailed nervel um And uh who did nothing And then proceeded to then uh Table them by proof. Um, and so that was me playing functionally my army with 1500 So I've done it. I've done it with 1500 basically taking murathi off the table. Um Uh I don't know if I could ever do more than that Yeah, I mean maybe 1200 if we're talking about like I just sort of no skilled player who doesn't know your army like Sure, probably it depends here. If you're playing something like, um, like ko um ko Warp store Warplighting vortex where you can like drop and mobilize them and just move around and pick them apart. You might be able to get away with 1200 Yeah, okay. Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah Wasn't feels a little too low in my mind. Yeah, that wasn't feels too low But like somewhere between 12 and 1500 is the answer. Yeah. Yeah All right, red wizard. Uh, what's our dream aos video game? I mean, is it just bringing back warhammer age of reckoning? Is that just it but like finishing like their original vision of warhammer age of reckoning Implemented fully. Is that it? Is it just that? Uh for me it is like in the war realms. I love the war. Uh, I love the war Yeah Okay All right I'd love to see the I don't know if you guys seen the trailer for space marine 2 Played the original space marine. I mean that it looks amazing Oh, yeah, I would love to see something like that Or aos just that it just check out the trailer space marine 2 and imagine that in age of sigmar Uh, viridu says i'm new to aos and just got a gloom. I got gloom spike models because I like how they look What are some general tips you'd give for someone like me? Uh, wait about a month and then You're and then we'll go from there because you got a new book coming you have bought at the perfect time You are you are you are in at the perfect time, buddy Just paint right now. It's all you need to focus But put stuff together and paint and then and then you can reevaluate with the new book drops And customize done Yep But I say all that to say you can probably trust on like doing squiggish things are probably good Like that's fairly that like I can't imagine the stocks on your all your squiggish are to go down Okay, Ian says what battle scroll would you retire from the game? He said and why is it go track, but I wouldn't get ready to go track. I think he's fine What's one battle? Screk you would scroll you would retire me more scroll more scroll? Yeah, he said he said battle scroll. He said battle scroll, but I think he said, okay I was reading the question directly It's clearly the incarnate, right 100 the incarnate's topic, but that's slam dunkathon Like uh tire of the incarnate Let's just put shellaxi out of his her it's misery Uh shellaxi hillbane, sure Yeah, that was roll could you like it as long as we're remaking it at some point or just putting it in the ash Ashbin of history and that's fine too. Let's start over. Yeah, just retire that and yeah move on Yeah, I don't know I think most more scrolls can be fixed and and are interesting like there's an interesting core there around the model So I other than the incarnate. I don't know if I'd been any of them so yeah okay Josh a Um, how do you guys feel about the regular schedule of leaks that have been happening in the last year a couple of years? I'll be back to 30 edition rules leaking is this Intentional to some extent uh josh it is most definitely not intentional I can tell you that with a thousand percent certainty. It is not intentional. It is not part of their strategy I was in a building when I watched one of my best friends get escorted out of the building And sent home because he accidentally took a picture of a tank that looked exactly like another tank That was literally on the shelf at the place and available to the public It is not intentional Uh, how do I feel about it? I mean whatever it's it is what it is. It's the nature of things like Things are gonna leak, you know Is it the nature of things though? Sure, like it's information you tell enough people Do you know how to keep a secret between two two two people tyler? Or don't tell them no kill one of those people kill one of those people get burned up But I mean what I'm saying is to what degree I'm less familiar with other nerd hobbies I'll select magic to a degree is this happen to magic the gathering or other examples like I would guess this is This is not an exception to the general rule of the level of leaks and No, these kinds of copies. Okay. All right, none of the other companies really like they just they like With magic There there's they're always on a release cycle for example And so they're like every every week like as soon as you get done hyping a set This set releases two days later the hype train starts for the next set and spoilers are already dropping for the next Stop now Actually, you'll get stuff slip out Right. Yeah, they just don't acknowledge those things until the leak cycle comes around like they just ignore it until they get to those Until they get to that that hype cycle and that will just be integrated in so I mean I feel anecdotally like When I think about prior years daughter's cane, especially stands out that extraordinary Trailer they have a daughter. I mean the hype level was maybe never higher in the seven years of AOS around daughter's cane And then thinking about slaves of darkness with this extraordinary just beautiful model range all so much of it leaked prior it's like we missed out on Something meaningful there around them that we could have had a little bit more of sure Well, I don't want it to happen. I don't think I like I especially with you We have people who are trusted to like you've been Whatever you shouldn't people shouldn't do that stuff. I mean, I don't sure Okay, like you shouldn't violate agreements you make in life That's just a good general maximum not to be too contiant about the whole thing. But you know, it's it is a generally good rule Uh, all right, uh Jig guy. Hey, Ben's quick random question, but what did you major in in college? Uh, philosophy It's the way to go. There you go Tom your original your original major was math, right? And then you went into All science. Yeah. Yeah There you go. All right, you're right Sure, I left college to go work on the singularity. So that that was my that was my gig There it is. Yes, absolutely Tyler's interesting life story could be a whole like series of multi seasons podcast like yeah, we'll move on Okay Cool, uh, let's see Uh, okay. By the way, a bunch of people said the um the Uh animal instead of a hippo should be an otter And oh boy, I'm super on team otter now. I just want to say that Like otter is so much better than hippo like otters are adorable They should be otters Like imagine Imagine painting those little hippo yurts. Yeah, I mean look hippos are cute. I'm not I'm not against it either I'm just saying like otters are amazing So there you go I'm I'm never against otters. All right. We're gonna we're gonna start rapping this up soon boys We've been going for a while, but okay at 23 minutes 23 minutes to go three three hours in one minute. Let's do it Is that what the goal is? Okay. That's that's the goal All right, simple enough Richard venti who helped usher you in and lead you into the depths of this hobby Uh, what was your first army? And yeah, so there you go So let's let's all do that one because that that's a good question. So tyler starts off Who who brought you into the hobby and what was your first army? Oh, I guess I mean, I did that there wasn't Yeah, I had how did I I can't remember how I got hooked on toy soldiers Originally, I probably saw it somewhere. I was probably just at a hobby store, right? So I thought it looked cool and took off from there. Yeah, I think I bought a hile dragon pewter Kits marauder miniatures. I've gotten my head Was this ringing any bells or guys ringing any bells that old red dragon with the little dude on top with his lance Like an early version of prince emmerich, but not emmerich. Yeah way back way back when so High elves, of course Nice tom Into warhammer proper, uh, it was ventz Um, we were all playing mordheim like he was playing mordheim locally And I was playing mordheim locally with friends and um, I had questions about painting um, and He's like, yeah And kind of answered some of those questions and then he's like, hey So we started playing warhammer like army stuff and I'm just like, yeah, no thanks And I was like, I don't know. I don't maybe I could and then I was kind of watching some of the stuff happening And then the end times dropped and I was like, okay, I could do hiles. Let's do this Yes, so it's Ventus fault Yes, for myself It was my old buddy Curtis who brought me in and had me play a game warhammer on like a floor in our living room when I was in college in the mid 90s and That was pretty much it My first army was empire, but that was just a sort of hodgepodge collection of Old battle masters figs and stuff like that my first real army that I collected that was just like donated to me Just like random stuff people gave me um, but the The my actual first army was given as I've said many times. So I picked that up very very shortly afterward. So there you go uh, okay um Let's see next up Uh We answered the most fun army you've ever painted is the iron jaws getting started to start collecting a goodbye What's in the iron jaw start collecting somebody look that uh, I don't remember war chanter. I believe Well, there's actually there's a weird knob shaman. There's three pigs Not that much. There's some number of art boys And that might be it. You're mainly getting it for the pigs Uh, but price wise, I don't think there's a big difference between just buying pigs themselves Versus buying the whole start collecting Get the other stuff Do you got it pulled up? um, yeah, so it is um war chanter Uh, it is a war chanter three pigs and ten art boys boys. Yeah Um, it used to be a weird number. Uh, I could see buying two of those boxes Tuesday number I mean no unit in iron jaws is bad. So hence it's if it contains the units and it's at any part of a discount Then it's good Yeah, I like you're not you're like you're going to use six pigs You're going to use uh one to two War chaners, yeah, and you might use 20 art boys. Yeah, sure. They can be a fine little little anvil. Absolutely Okay, they're the they're the fair four plus rally in this game right now our boys Oh, yeah Uh frog frog arm says should we go back to the fantasy way of buying artifacts with points and possibly other? Enhancements. No, please god. No What part of everything you've seen with the points and the balance over the last eight years of age sigmar has led you to the Conclusion that this system is working so well. Let's expand it No Definitely not when everything is worth zero. You have to make it you have to design it within a tight range Okay, and that is helpful when suddenly you can slap any amount of points on anything It gets ridiculous and it gets to weird Inconsistencies where it's like this is the always take at 25 points and this thing becomes automatic even though it's 200 You just get to these these bad inclusions that just screw up the rest of the thing Make points for the models I put on the table The other things are the other things I get them. They're fun. Cool They should be worth effectively zero done There's a lot of negative externalities with making these things cost points a lot And and I have seen nothing that proves to me that points have been a great balancing or salvation mechanism in the regular troops Unless a disagreement you had with a terrorist at one point. It was yes, absolutely. Yeah, okay. We'll just move on. Okay, correct Okay Uh Let's see Where do you draw the line on sticking with an army this is from Derek Uh and giving it up if you're not having fun with it losing hard like when do you quit? That's the question Well, this is a fully painted army because then you never quit you put it on the shelf and it stays becomes a shelf army Until the next book or the next edition or the next whatever. There's no reason you ever really you just stop playing it for a little while Like that's fine Um, otherwise the answer simple when you're not having fun quit often The the most successful people in life quit all the time Because they figured out and tried a bunch of things They weren't good at and didn't like and didn't enjoy and they quit And then they kept going until they found a thing They did enjoy and were good at and had the passion to take to a high level and then followed that passion Quit early quit often That's what I say Anything what do you think gentlemen? Things pretty good Okay All right Ra ra run What do you guys think of the possibility of chaos dwarves coming back to aos is like if they do like What do we think is that gonna happen and how that's happened? Yes, it's happening and probably in fourth edition or something. I think is what I'd say. Yeah Yeah And they'll be very different. I mean to a point I enjoyed cast dwarves in their prior incarnation Both of them in the old world big hat and then also the forge world And I'm interested to see what where like what space they want to invent and play in Yeah Christopher are you guys excited for seraphon or cities of sigmar this year? Yeah, I'm excited for both I'm I'm keen to see what they do seraphon is a bad book right now And it'll be good to have a new crack at that apple I hope we get a good book and the city's redesign looks amazing So I can't wait to see what the studio comes up with. I think it'll be really cool looking I can't wait for cities Anything else at tyler any other thoughts? Uh, yeah, I mean jokes sides. I am excited for seraphon players And even if they run a lot of skinks, that's fine Uh, okay um Big chunk of say yeah, we both tom and I are very familiar with return of reckoning and by the way full credit to those people who did finish a lot of not only did they restart it But they actually finished a lot of the additional content, but it's just not the same You know, I was driving down the street and I saw a deadhead sticker on a Cadillac and I said don't look back You can never look back. I mean it's Nostalgia is the poison of enjoying the present. Okay, uh Let's see Uh, state of kevin question fourth. Let's this is a hypothetical fourth edition. There's no universal enhancements But all wizards know all their listed keyword Spell lore and universals cycled by the g and universals are just in the the ghb Uh, or yeah and universal cycled by ghb any thoughts hate it I don't want every wizard I have to have freaking to manage eight spells or nine spells. It's too much It's too much. I hate when wizards have like two spells A nightmare is flowing the game now. Yeah Okay, I agree with that Uh wake phillips if we did get one more model refresh or new for the gits book next year or for beast of chaos What would you want that one new thing to be so that the in the imaginary world Well, we're gonna get more than one model. I guess actually we already know gits are getting two or something, right? But whatever, I don't know. Um, because they get the wolf riders and something else. I don't know It doesn't matter. They get the general with a squid guy Like yeah, they cross squid prodder. Yeah, okay, so like but what else would we want? Uh, tom you got any thoughts what you want for either those armies? More spiders just all those spiders. Sure easy answer like a cool spider guy Here here you go Let's do this. I want a new base spiders I want a new gargantuan But like a boss unit with larger spiders like a three pack of larger spiders I want more arachnarax not just with The uh, like the how to shrine all that. Um, but I want like a big boss on arachnarax I want swappable legs. You have different breeds of spider reflected in the arachnarax Do you want me to keep going? I need going. It's great. Tyler, what do you got? now Yeah Spiders spider spiders That's that about covers it. I mean what else would be interesting with this army? I don't know the army, but uh a bunch of foot forest goblins. I love the forest. Okay On the that are on the howda like so much I gathered 20 of the little archers and I have a I have a shooter unit of 20 forest goblins because I love those models Give me units of those guys Got it Give us a spiritual successor 2023 version of ground the punch The snarl fangs carrying in the chariot is a badass chariot. You can make it different options You can have a shaman version, but I want to ground the punch back beautiful Love it. I don't have an answer for gets I think your answers are all good. I'll answer for beasts Which is I want a like gorgon war platform Uh, so I want like a gorgon thing with a big sort of like howda situation on his back And I want a bunch of like on gore raiders and stuff like that up there with sticks and bows And a big giant ballista that they fire off of his back. I think that would be fun Uh, just this giant gorgon platform. Okay What's a big personal lesson that has helped you be on the table that you have learned from gaming? Oh my god, so much. I mean half of my life is based on my gaming of various and sundry types and and everything I've learned Um, but I'll give you a simple answer for myself Uh And that is that humans are much more alike than they are different because I've played games across from people of different Everything you can imagine whatever identifying quality Uh, you can imagine I've played games across the table from those people And we've had a great time because we have a unifying interest and there's so much more alike and things that we all enjoy together Than the things that separate us. How about that? That's good famous and illusion Sure I think you got an answer You're still just a normal person. Yes everybody Still just a normal person Absolutely Tyler, what about you? Uh key lesson that can be applied elsewhere in life Uh Everyone has a bad day. Most everyone has a bad day Uh, so it's some you know, nobody's perfect Uh, everyone is capable of experiencing salt at the table and Yeah, so I think to have some patience with that Uh I don't know. Let me think a little bit about that. I want to give a better answer. Let me think about that Okay Very good Uh, let's see if you could replace old warhammer models with a osified versions of them Would you and he said gives an example. This is howard. He says think turning which elves such as a slaughter into snake bat Whatever ladies Um some not all but yes I would replace some of them because I think a osified things are cool again I think it's important to have some continuity there. There's no reason to sort of like churn stuff That's perfectly viable. I'm like which elves are great. I don't really see a need to change them But like adding the snake bat ladies was also a cool addition Uh, you know, like I wouldn't you don't need to change clan rats clan rats or clan rats But I would a osify the heck out of like war machines and the monsters they make and stuff like that in Escaping range and so on and so forth, right? So Um, I think it's about some amount of continuity and then some amount of of getting jiggy with it. I suppose This there's a sigmar and witch hunters, so I'm sure sure What was the question I was thinking about the prior one If you could replace old warhammer models with a osified versions of them, would you or what wins would you do? Yeah, I yeah, you guys had good answers Yeah on that front Sure, what else would do models And that's pretty good going back to the last question. I think Being at times during the hobby. I haven't been honest with myself about the lack of balance With like just having trying to maintain a space of being honest about whether you have your priorities in the right place Sure That's good Uh, puzzler at which point does it stop being a hobby and start becoming a lifestyle? Right now Why why why any time you want maybe any time you want that's the answer Uh, you can live that life anytime Okay Uh, let's see Uh, what more time says what questions or what models from aos make you want to build a mordheim warband I mean like a lot of them because A lot of never find but go ahead tom all of the gets Underworlds Little mini units, you know, I dare you to go look at the old gets warband or the new one And not look at that and go dammit. I want to build a underworld or I want to build a mordheim warband. Sure I mean, that's functionally what those things are Right, like those are the the beginnings of a of a mordheim warband And they all have super distinct character and wonderful sculpts and stuff like that They're getting so good. Yeah with these warbands like definitely real progression and what they're putting out with them The I don't know what warband it is. There's the witch hunter Uh type warband that came out recently. That's just phenomenal Hexbane's hunters is in my head. I don't know if that's it. Yeah Love it, uh, okay, uh, let's see Seamus says dream model that you would do you think will never happen? I I think anything's possible in this world. So I don't I don't know that I I believe any model couldn't happen like the Sculptors are very creative. I literally think that anything we could imagine for this would be cool But if you had to if I had to pick something truly outrageous like a a zahnbeck or something like a like a massive size aircraft carrier for ko That's a good one. I would do a floating Vampire ship Oh, sure. There you go. Okay styler Oh a new version of teclas that looks like the Designed and printed version that's been going around for a little while now with apologies to the designer of the original teclas I don't know. Yeah, that one is the the one that somebody put together. It's just phenomenal It's basically the the artwork that amazing piece of art Have you guys seen that by the way tom the teclas they have been in the group that helped commission that Okay, there you go. There you go There was a it was a it was a mini there's a mini crowd fund that that went around to commission that artist to do that And I may have been in that group There you go Camp k I want to start airbrushing. I have a large compressor I use for my tires is that too large if I pick up a cheap airbrush to use Yeah, probably I mean you can but it's probably too big as long as it can go down to like 18 to 20 psi It can work But it's it's worth it to just pick up your a small tank compressor for like 100 bucks And it'll last you for hopefully knock on wood years and and you're good to go Okay, um George, uh, we already kind of tackled that a little bit because he I said if you could design a os 4 You know fourth edition one of the three biggest changes you'd make we we we tackled some of that already like We talked about the complexity split things like that anything else you want to add tyler because you kind of you said It might I mean, yeah, it would be a good That would be a good show topic to really dive in and think about that in more detail I mean we had a lot of changes I feel with 3.0 from 2.0 right like a number of additional layers that they put in place and Yeah, I mean we're running long already. So oh wait, but I'd love to do a show on that where we really get try to Give that some thought Okay, with this notion of scaling down complexity Uh Uh, okay, let's see. Um waffles enjoyer. What are your favorite paints in your rotation right now? I use other there are four or five different brands of paints Literally over here right next to me that I'm using on these models, uh, aka third gen chimera pro acrylic Warcolors 88, you know vallejo like I use all of them. So I mean it's just I don't have specific brand I have specific paints. I like so There you go. And no issue george. Hey, happy you we're happy you're here, buddy Okay, uh, tyler this one. I'm totally throwing to you batom. I want your thoughts too. I'm gonna stick out of this one Um rodrigo says what do you think? Could be improved in the competitive scene in order to make tournaments more enjoyable to watch I like that particular question to watch To watch gosh Yeah What could be changed in the competitive scene to make games more enjoyable to watch I like that because it's not how do you improve the competitive scene blah blah blah blah, right? But no, what's what would make it more interesting to watch This maybe something to do with the teams format Would be more interesting Then I mean you could have a competitive teams format. Obviously, you know aos worlds, etc I would think there could be some Interesting stuff you could do there one-on-one So I'll have to think about that more. I don't know. I personally find It fairly boring to watch in person But I enjoy watching battle reports At least some battle reports. Yeah, I don't know. Do you guys have any initial thoughts? Yeah, I would have sidebars pop up of war scrolls and rules as people as the Like as commentators are talking sure, but that's not a change to the rules Like what would you change in the rules to make it better to watch? I I have a simple answer Which is you'd really need to go through the game and clean out fiddly bits like piling in And stuff like that where it's just like because that is a giant waste of time that is super boring Yeah, mate I've always wondered what it would be like to play This engine mostly this engine remaining intact, but switching to alternate activations consistently I know that the middle earth battle strategy game. What if it's called has alternate activations a lot more than aos? I'm not sure you're not sure your guys opinions are on that But I would I would guess that would increase the interactivity the interest of it Unless yeah, I think it's just I think when you're talking about watching you got to talk about what creates visual interest And the stuff that creates visual interest is when people do Boring things people lose interest. That's it. Is that and piling in is boring Um getting rid of a lot of re-rolls was the thing that needed to happen because that's really boring Like just watching people roll dice and then re-roll dice and then pick out dice is like the slow tedious part of the game Mm-hmm Yeah, like there's some there's some interface issues stuff that could be neat if Like some of like some of that could be automated, right? So for example, like if the dice rolling were happening Digitally, which I know is a big like a sacred counter Right where like it would pop up an autocollate hits and misses. Sure, right um Like on the screen so that like you could like that would be running Like on a sidebar, right? Where like would would speed up the game and all that like I think that that would that would be a positive experience for watching Yep, right Um, and then you could speed up re-rolls with that as well Just automate all your re-rolls on but again that all requires tons of programming and pre-craft and stuff like that And I don't know that we're you know, we're anywhere here. Yeah Christopher Garcia in cities of sigmar a lock for 2023 And what models and paint schemes would you want? I mean? Yes, it is like we know because they announced the article that says it's coming this year. So yep, we know it is happening Um, what models and paint schemes? I mean a bunch stuff like bust open the cities I want to see the dawn bringer crusades. I want to see the cool stuff like we mentioned witch hunters and Sisters of sigmar and all this other stuff. I'd love to see everything like that. I want to see the fanatics I want to see the mercenaries. They hire. I want to see the soldiers I want to see the artillery and weapons they bring to bear Like all of it and I want to see schemes for the individual cities. Like what do they look like? That's it. I loved your guys idea that you discussed of I think maybe you mentioned that having the kits have swappable head options Gordon yep humans But that absolutely absolutely All right, folks. We look at that. We did it. We got there all the questions answered Thank you everybody. Hey, if you've got more questions, we didn't answer guess what you can do You can drop those down in the comments of the video Happy to answer those afterward as always Hit like if you didn't already Uh, this is a very fun episode. I hope we answered all of your various and sundry questions subscribe The journey to a hundred thousand continues. We're getting there. We're getting there Uh, but as always, thank you everybody so much for watching. I'm sorry. I didn't switch the picture That I I purposely made this will be smart and then forgot got so into answering the questions I wasn't even looking at my own screen where we're actually where I'm watching But thank you all so much for a wonderful year. Thank you. Tom. Thank you. Tyler for being amazing co-host this year Are you gonna the t-shirt? No, because it's not the end of the year yet. There's still two days I'm gonna do it next week show Don't worry. Team Tom's gonna win. It's okay. No, I'm just legitimately curious It will be next week show next week show. I will tell you the winner of the team Tom versus team tyler You can go buy your t-shirt the next lord That's right Uh, as always don't forget if you want to support the channel There's a patreon down below focused on your hobby and feedback as Tom mentioned. There is a merch store down there As well, but I do want to say thank you all so much to all of you who've watched this year Uh, well any amount of the shows we thank you so much. You've left comments who've done all those things It really is so deeply and endlessly appreciated Uh, I am grateful and blessed every day to be able to do this with these two amazing individuals And to have all of you to share this experience with you. So thank you so much Uh, here's to the end of 2022 the beginning of 2023. Happy new year, everyone Let's let's look forward to what I hope will be the greatest year of aos in all of aos history Uh 2023 I'm excited about it. And I hope you are too as always We'll see you now