 Ladies and gentlemen, esteemed guests of InterGEO and members of the media. Welcome to this InterGEO press conference here in Berlin. It is Wednesday and this event is traditionally half-time of InterGEO, the leading international expo and conference for forward-looking geospatial applications. My name is Christopher Wirtgen. I am your moderator today and we have called out a motto for this media event and this is navigating sustainability through geospatial insights. We all know about the enormous impact that geospatial data today has on decision-making in various fields in politics, administration and industry and especially on sustainable developments within these fields and beyond. So we monitor our planet on a global scale to understand trends and patterns of change. We integrate geospatial intelligence into urban planning and development. We build digital twins, these virtual representations of real-world environments and spaces to prevent mistakes, avoid unnecessary costs, save resources and get the right stakeholders on board. Indeed, already a lot is going on and a lot of great success stories are and have already been written in the context of local intelligence and sustainability. As Jörn Tiesen from the German Ministry of Interior and Community pointed out in this keynote yesterday, we have to make sure that sustainability does not become reduced to a phrase. The topic is too important and far away from losing relevance and urgency. Just last week the European Union's Earth Observation Program, Copernicus, reported that 2023 appears on track to be the hottest year on record. Farmers are threatened from smear drafts. We've seen the pictures of wildfires. We've seen the pictures of floodings and these were just a few of the dramatic events we already had this year. And when the 28th UN climate change conference starts in Dubai on the 28th of November and this is in one and a half month, one does not have to be a profit to predict that the findings will not be much different from those of the last one. Many countries stay far away from achieving their climate targets by 2030, namely limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius compared to the pre-industrial age. Even more, the latest UN report predicts the rise by 2.7 degrees Celsius by the year 2100 for an intermediate and up to 4.4 degrees Celsius for a high emission scenario if no decisive countermeasures are being taken. So let me formulate a maybe naive sounding question. Should we not be able to navigate sustainability more better and more efficiently regarding our ability to capture, analyze and visualize geospatial data and in regard of the valuable insights we gain out of them? So the foundation for decision making seems better than ever before and I'm thrilled to have distinguished experts here on stage to talk and to discuss about this. We will talk about innovations, we talk about best practice, we talk about challenges and strategies hopefully and afterwards media representatives will have of course the opportunity to address their questions to the participants. So now let me introduce them to you and let me start with a host of this event. I welcome Professor Rudolf Steiger. Since the beginning of this year he's President of the German Association for Geodesy, Geoinformation and Land Management as a Gesellschaft für Geodesy, Geoinformation on Land Management so viel Zeit muss sein and the DVW is host of InterGU and the organizer of the InterGU conference and Professor Steiger is also an expert for international correlations in the field of surveying because he led the FIG, the International Federation of Surveys as President until last year. Welcome Professor Rudolf Steiger. I welcome Godela Rosner, she is head of the Earth Observation Department of the German Space Agency at DLR. The DLR, das Deutsche Zentrum für Luft und Raumfahrt, is the National Research Center for Aeronautics and Space in Germany and the German Space Agency at DLR coordinates all German space activities at national and European levels. For example, Germany's contribution to the European Space Agency ESA and the European Organization for the exploitation of meteorological satellites or Mitzat. Happy to have you here, Godela Rosner. Please welcome, I now go to the other end of the queue, please welcome Boris Skolpiak. He represents today Scott Crozier who could not make it. Boris Skolpiak is Vice President of Trimbal Survey and Mapping Strategy and Product Marketing. It's correct, isn't it? Yeah, and the Serving and Mapping Division of Trimbal facilitates high quality productive workflows and information exchange for surveyors, engineering and GIST service companies, governments, utilities and transportation authorities. Trimbal is leading a leading technology company that specializes in providing positioning, connectivity and data analytic solutions and Trimbal is also a Platinum Sponsor of NTGU, so great that you join us today, Boris Skolpiak. So, I welcome Gerd Butzig. He is Business Relation Executive of Esri Germany. Esri stands for Environmental System Research Institute. It was founded in 1969 and it specializes in geographic information systems, software and location intelligence solution. Also, Platinum Sponsor of NTGU, welcome Gerd Butzig. And I'm happy to welcome Thomas Haaring. Thomas Haaring is President of Hexagon's Geosystems Division and CEO of Leica Geosystems, part of Hexagon. Hexagon is a leading global provider of sensors, software and autonomous solutions that are efficiently connected in the form of digital reality. Also, Hexagon is a Platinum Sponsor of NTGU. Good to have you here, Thomas Haaring. Thanks a lot. All right. And before we take the deep dive now into navigating sustainability, I'd like to ask Professor Steiger as President of the Organizing Association for a kind of a halftime statement. So, Professor Steiger, this is your first NTGU as President of DVW. It's not your first NTGU, of course, but how does it feel so far personally? Thank you very much, Christoph, for this question. Indeed, it's my first NTGU as President. My first NTGU as person was in 1985 when it was still called Geodetentag and it was in Düsseldorf at that time. I am proud to be the President of DVW and I'm proud to be the host of this conference. We are really overwhelmed about the current situation here. Berlin and Intergeo is a story of success. Intergeo is here for the fourth time and every time the figures are increasing. You all know Intergeo is not only an exhibition, it's also a congress and after corona you always ask a question, is this still the right concept? If I look at the figures, it is still the right concept. We have increasing number of registrations for the exhibition, but we have also increasing numbers for the congress, especially the congress increased by 29% on the national level and 88% on the international level. This indicates us clearly this is the good concept to combine congress and exhibition together also because our systems are becoming always more complex and they need more explanation. So I can make a statement, thumbs up, good. That's a great entry and for the congress you chose the motto inspiration for a smarter world, so what was your intention and why does this world need inspiration? Well this world needs inspiration, we see a lot of challenges, climate change, the sea level rise, etc, etc. If I just talk about the natural hazards and if we take the motto navigating sustainability through geospatial insights, let's take the United Nations goals, 17 goals, 169 targets, 232 indicators. In engineers like us we love this. 232 indicators, if you want to describe and make figures out for these indicators, more than 80% of them are related to geodata. Without geodata you can't do this, you can't even describe where are we with the sustainability goals and you can't check the increase, you can't check the performance. What I want to say is we are needed and we are a kind of backbone when it comes to sustainability. So in your work groups you have plenty of work groups, could you give us an insight where you foster sustainable developments to the geospatial community? Thank you for this question. DVW is not only organizing this conference, we have eight working groups, we have additional fora which they are promoting what we do, we are working on BIM and digital twin, we are working on all different kinds of things we need for increasing sustainability and bringing the planet better forward. So there are a lot of things I don't want to go too much into detail but we have very well in focus the benefit of the society when it comes to our professional activities. Thank you, Professor Steiger and I would like to turn to Godela Rosner. You were hosting a panel or two sessions at the conference yesterday, so how was InterGU for you right now? Yeah, thank you first of all for inviting me and just to this press conference and this question. So InterGU has been very vibrant for me, so it's full of it shows the full potential that we have in geoinformation and it was very happy that we had Earth observation as a focus topic in the conference but also in the exhibition area because I think we see already there's the wealth of information that we gather from Earth observation that is essential to understand and to navigate through the challenges that comes with the climate change. You mentioned the highest record temperatures we see this year, not only on land but also in the oceans and I think what the big challenge is there will be so much dynamic on planet Earth that will affect our whole life. It's not only the natural ecosystems but it will affect also how we secure our food supply, how we secure our energies, how we manage water supply if the droughts are constrained. This has impacts on the infrastructure, infrastructures from the streets and the railways are affected through climate change so there's a whole lot of changes that will appear in a dynamic we haven't seen before and Earth observation is key to get a better understanding on the spatial dimension, on the dynamics, on the processes, it gives context and it's really an essential data to integrate in our understanding of the planet and of the resources we have to manage. So I was very happy and I have the impression there is also great interest what I hear also from other exhibitors on the field of Earth observation. There are a lot of visitors national internationally that have already a clear understanding on the potential and what to find out more, how to integrate this information into their solutions so that's a great place. The German Space Agency at DLR and you of course you support research institutions, you support companies and public authorities in Germany using Earth observation for decision making and how does this support looks like in practices, in practical terms? In practice, well one step is of course to inform about the potential so one step was to do that at Intergeo but in a very practical sense I think it's always in terms of projects, in terms of very concrete questions and solutions that are needed and to work on that. So for example we support also public institutions and enterprises to find solutions how to ensure that water quality for example in the cities is very good but we can manage the rising temperatures in the cities to optimize the climate in the cities by ensuring that the vegetation is in a very good state. So there are a lot of very concrete questions that are being dealt with in projects where people work together and get a better understanding on what is the need and what can we do with our data and with the information systems to find solutions. Are these projects, are they all German projects or do you have those projects Europe-wide because here at Intergeo you have a booth together with Issa? Exactly so as I think all the topics, all the problems in the world we are not dealing only on local grounds but it's all globally connected and of course well we support on a national level through national budgets we get from the ministry of course that's a very important pillar for us but we also cooperate with the European space agencies, their programs also from the European Commission, their international bilateral corporations to ensure that knowledge is also transferred to other countries to learn from each other and find the best solutions and we have to think of if we want to manage for example how we get control on the emissions of greenhouse gases like methane is a very powerful greenhouse gas. There are aspects that you can do on an international level by combining all the satellite data that is available but you have to do it also in a harmonized way otherwise you cannot compare efforts with pairs so it's a huge interest to get harmonized information and therefore this exchange with other institutions is important and we try also to support such projects with Issa and other institutions. Thank you for the insight of your work. Can you all understand it properly or can we have the monitor volume a little bit up please? That would be great. So Thomas Haring, how's been Lintergeo to you so far and to Hexagon? It's always great to be in Berlin because intergeo geospatial industry and Berlin have so much in common a lot of different routes a lot of legacy and it's changing and I think that's what Berlin does that's what the geospatial industry does and the intergeo and we are proud partners of that. I arrived at a well functioning airport arrived here without the traffic jam and then when I entered I was extremely surprised positively surprised about all the excitement and all the the engagement and the discussions and yesterday the only problem I had I was running out of time had not enough time for discussions and then I was too tired in the evening to enjoy the big city so and the same happens today because there's so much going on you said the conference program which is fantastic I would love to be in much more presentations and listening to them and learn from that. I had discussions with our customers to learn about sustainability and many other things and it's always fascinating what different applications we're all doing and what we sometimes don't know or don't market well enough so one thing is what we always say in these exhibitions after these exhibitions we are doing so many good things we need to just talk better about them and explain better what we are doing so so do we need the 10 days intergeo instead of a three day intergeo sorry do we need a 10 day intergeo instead of three no I'm too tired the older I get I can't do that more than three days so what awaits us at your booth Thomas so I think we are known and you mentioned that I'm responsible for the Leica side of things as well we are known since over 200 years for sensor technology providing accurate data and we continue that's core of our business we will do that for the upcoming decades as well that you can count on our devices no matter where you are in the world and no matter what the data you want whether it's coordinate laser scans imaging technology or whatever you should count on our data of course we make our sensors more more mobile you see that as well because that's why we have besides the overall hexagon boost a boost for especially autonomous solutions that you can take our technology on robots you can let our sensors fly and these kind of things which I would really like to encourage you to experience because we would like to make workflows easier for our customers that they can do more things in a much more faster way because one of the biggest limitations we are seeing is labor shortage in the industry it's not only about accuracy of devices it's really how can our customers do more and can use all the experience in the office and maybe use devices in the field with people which are doing different things at the same time and then you can experience software which we have done for many years as well and then one thing which we are extremely proud of and we have launched a lot of different applications on our geospatial platform which we call HXDR you can't buy a platform but you can get all the applications on top of that which are really use cases for different applications on reality capture if you lose videogrammetry solutions you can do something for operations or if you just wanted to have data transfer between different instruments you can lose our technologies and that's what we are striving for providing use cases collaboration platforms tools for our customers to make their life easier always open to third party as well never being closed according to your this year's hexagon autonomous tech outlook survey doing this regularly more and more construction firms worldwide are turning specifically to autonomous technology to mitigate and manage their various challenges so will an autonomous future automatically be a sustainable future that's an interesting question which we debate we believe yes because we see so many things going on if you automate things if you work on productivity if you work on safety it has a positive impact but we should not neglect that we should have a special focus on sustainability efforts as well and maybe how I best articulate that is for us sustainability is not something which we doing aside from the normal course of business if we look at a decision in our company and the same holds true for our customers we look at time cost quality and sustainability and that's basically how it is in the decision making you need all the different criterias and they need to take a conscious decision based on the criterias and that's why sustainability and an autonomous future being more automated having much easier much faster much more repetitive workflows is something everybody strives for with all the challenges we have in infrastructure in construction to get it done like that can you provide some specific examples to showcase this impact of autonomous technology on sustainable developments it's and I'm now we are an asset owner ourselves because we are building a 50 meter tall high-rise building in Switzerland in one of all locations now I don't sleep so well anymore because I'm used to justify innovation projects to m&a's but we are not building buildings ourselves typically and constructing them so we are now discussing about how to design it how to have green engineering with these kind of things how to really take care of operations during design phase how to then together with architects the different engineers to really think about what kind of sustainable solutions do we need to consider and it's not only how many solar panels we put on the roof it's many different things which is interesting if you think about the decisions and then it's always comes back to data and how we use the data and how the data are prepared for us and that's something where the concrete examples come from talking to our customers working with them on these kind of things and it's whether it's a building whether it's infrastructure whether it's a whole city where we can urban planning together with our customers that's the things we are doing which you can explore in our booth and there are endless examples of that but of course we always should be reminded we should do more on that. Thank you Thomas Haring and I'd like to turn now to Gerhard Bootsig. How has Intergeal to you been so far? It was quite a surprise I guess that you have to turn up here at the press conference. So is it on? Can everybody hear me? Can you hear me in the last row? Okay thank you. So yes first of all two remarks I'd like to thank the dvw to organize this big show. You're giving to our industry a face and it's all about geospatial information here, information systems, sensors, real-time, near real-time data and that is amazing to be a part of it. So thank you to dvw and also to the intergeal people that made an amazing job to keep this running that is really great and we were yesterday surprised that the first day of intergeal was so flooded by people and guests coming here like during the past years the second day was and today it's much more than we had in the years before and that is great and that shows the demand on geo information because geo information is everywhere it's around us you can't get rid of it otherwise our globe wouldn't exist anymore and I guess the people get the value of geo information. So last night I was joining a ceremony of the architect organization which is the academy of technical sciences here in Germany and Walter Steinmeier the president spoke about geo data and he said hey we spent a lot of money in Galileo systems and we always had to convince the policymakers to give us this money and today we have the best position coordinates worldwide by geo by Galileo satellites combined with others like GPS too and that means to me that that what we all do is in the heads of the policymakers on top of our political system here in Germany and that is great with dvw and other associations we fight for that since decades and now it is there and what we show here on the show is how to how to turn data into information and last but not least the map whether it's interactive or static or dynamic or 3d or 4d is a fasted information media to get information into our minds and with the colleagues from the public organizations delivering reliable data authoritative data from the from the from the from the private industry yeah we are able to shape a digital earth so for instance I have a little application on my my phone here and you can follow in 3d where the international space station is recently right now and you can see much more than the astronauts from the space because we can can superimpose a heat map of the oceans worldwide so you can see what's going on there not everything is seen in topography something is beneath like the border lines between countries and continents and so that is all there and we show on our booths how you can handle all this and turn it information to have the best possible communication to decision makers policy makers and others and that is as the colleagues here on stage mentioned already it's on the desktop it's in the cloud it's in enterprise systems it's homogeneously it's interacting and it's a basis at least for data spaces and digital twins as well and when you have in mind that more than 70% of the population in Germany is living in cities then we have to try to solve the climate change problems there there we have to start and that is why digital twins are so important and so we show how a network of different digital twins is interacting and how you can get a holistic view of all those information just to have a let's say the almost best answer to a complex questions question that is what what we do in short and brief in an article I I read that Mr. Schumacher's wrote together with Jack Dangerman for their target spiegel they were talking about two projects we were concerning building resilient cities and they mentioned projects in Prague and Zurich maybe you can give us some insights yeah out of those yeah I would like to start with Prague and Czech Republic so so Prague is an is an old it's an amazing it's an amazing city I guess most of you maybe went there for a visit or so there are a lot of old buildings but there are also a lot of pavements and the population in Prague suffer from heat islands for instance and due to European law and the carbon neutrality until 2050 the decision makers in Prague try to figure out how to change that and they made a very simple thing they applied a geographic information system GIS and first they generated a layer from the from the Copernicus satellites to identify heat islands in the city that was the first thing the seventh is a second thing what the integration of a layer from the statistics department about population density and this that gives some insight where you have to act because when you have a high population density maybe also with older people living there and you have a heat island than it is or heat islands in that quarter of a town that it's very dangerous because they get a collapse or whatever and the third thing they did they get all the documents from the urban planners what they can do in those areas and what they not can do and so they started to grow up new parks and plants and greens around there with water fountains on the rooftops to get a more to to get a void of these heat islands that is what they did in Prague very thin the thing three layers and you get more insights so it not always have to be very complicated it's just a matter to get access to the data right that is one thing and now siri is siri so it's a project that that is now still running and this this is continuous yeah yes this is what you call the living or which mr danger month yesterday called the living digital twin yeah it's a it's a at least it's a very special digital twin which is interacting with others let's say from the environment and it's still living because it's interacting with a real world or real quarter of the town you get an update and maintenance of data in a certain sequence when population differs or when you see that your action is positive and the heat islands are shrinking then you see that it is working and that is like a living digital twin because it's synchronized to that's what going on outside yes that it's an example for that and it's a running project and in Zurich it's Zurich is a long customer of us they come up with a 3d city model and they simulated the noise coming by cars and and the surface of the streets and roads and model it in different height levels and then they made a simulation how it would be in let's say 2030 2035 if you change all all all cars by by electronic vehicles and you see that the noise level decreases and when you change the material of the roads it decreases much more and that that is what they did it's Zurich 4d and that is one thing the other thing is a city planning over more decades into the future and everybody can understand it because it's a 3d interactive environment you have you can figure it out by yourself and just google Zurich 4d and you will find a lot of information official information from Zurich great very interesting thank you for the insight so Boris Skopjak how was the interview for you so far as a european living in the US it's great to be home so really nice and thanks to the organizer for putting such a phenomenal show together it's great to see Europe in the center of leading these initiatives and and what what excites me about intergear every year is seeing our international partners and customers so here i'm seeing audience from latin america from asia pacific from africa so it's really world coming together and and a great topic or great challenge you're posing on us thinking about sustainability right so when we think about sustainability in tremble right it's very complementary to our dna and our core values right of of trust transparency and accountability all go together a lot of us started in the surveying world for the for the love of the outdoors right and just kind of taking care of the nature it comes naturally to all of us right so so uh i think the the accountability piece for me means it's not somebody else doing the research on how much ice that's polar bear walk on right so so how do we all play an active part in in that system a sustainable future and taking care of our environment try starts from us how we behave at home how we behave at work uh from tremble perspective from the technology standpoint our job is to provide our customers uh and our ecosystem of users and partners tools to be accountable right so so access to technology is still very difficult right so so not everybody can be an e-cognition expert or not everybody can be a a programmer a rules set developer or not everybody can get access to a hundred thousand dollar piece of scientific equipment right so so we have been hard at work of of making the technology much approachable and much easier to understand access train scale right and bring the geospatial in parts of the world that was not accessible or not as easily accessible as before right now you've already answered my second question so sorry um uh scott proger yesterday he had a opening keynote at the uh the conference the conference opening and uh it was titled trust connect transform unlocking the power of geospatial data so um what role does trust play uh concerning data it said data you won't trust or you can't trust or am i understanding it completely wrong yeah like like mr haring pointed out right what what what what we bring to the industry collectively here right is is the the confidence right it's it's uh geospatial as professionals congratulations you picked the phenomenal industry to be in because we are the link of the where the physical and digital meet right we are the the custodians of of that information right location is a critical attribute maybe one of the 50 attributes but location time and cost so location comes comes at the forefront right so if you don't have the trust in the location the other attributes fade in in the in the confidence level right so it is important that that uh as an industry we we take an active role like we have a phenomenal opportunity to be not not just now a geometry experts but truly the data managers and help connect the disciplines and industry right because we are the trusted link between where those worlds meet right so so through all the again technology solutions we provide we need to ensure that remains the case right so that we continue bringing or making technology so easy that again not everybody is a trained diploma engineer geologist right so how do we how do we do that job easier for those all of those environmental scientists all the archaeologists all the all the oligists you name can interact and participate in the process right so examples from us solutions are Trimble catalyst is a phenomenal example of a hardware as a service uh something that people can get on an on demand or or as a uh as paper use basis so you can keep a piece of antenna that you can hook to your phone in your glove department in a car and pull it out when you need that trusted accurate fully reliable information you can you can rely on um so it occurs to me hearing all these um or seeing all that is already there and seeing all the potentials and the solutions that lie right on the table and this is why I want to come back to my first questions which well in the essence probably means shouldn't we do better uh in regard of the challenges we are we are facing so I want to open up now the discussion and maybe just shouldn't we do better I think it's not a question of doing it better it's a question of first of all what are the goals what are the targets what are the needs that's the first thing to identify what do we need the second thing is what are our tools we have what are our technologies we have you know the technical side we have to identify the technologies we have to learn how to use them in coordination with software and to find solutions at the end of the day yesterday jack was saying we have also to explain in an understandable way to the decision makers to use this information what we are doing so we should maybe it's not a question of better it's more a question of focused efficiency and effectiveness that's what is needed from my point of view I would really like to uh agree and and I I could not agree more that I think a very important part is how we communicate what is already at our hands I mean there's still a way to go but there are already so many people so many institutions working on sustainable solutions with all the data all the technologies that are at hand and that will evolve even more but it's important that we do not forget how to communicate and do it in a very efficient way that it really reaches the policy makers the top level that have to set the the basis and the the conditions that we really can transform our society into a sustainable one so that has to go together and I think we have to keep working on this communication to focus that we really reach that goal all together um yeah um just one more question um you advise people to use geospatial data so in the data journey you're you're you're before the solution this is right so you're the observer and the collector you mean in the sense of the role of earth observation yes but earth observation is already all the way integrated so all the system integrators that are working in solutions they are so it's it's already there but it has to be also this the results that we get what we see on the what effects are taking place to communicate that to the policy level but maybe I understood your question perfectly right but what I want to know is it a question of um of explaining to which means communicate or is it education and maybe um when I started 20 years back at Leica I heard my first years as a way of saying nobody knows what a surveyor is doing except if he doesn't do it anymore and that triggered somehow over the last years over the last decades I think we made transparent what the geospatial industry does and if you know talk to senior executive at many different companies organizations we they understand the power of geospatial data which is different it was our job and it's still our job to make it easier more digestible more easier to explain that they are not afraid of the data it by itself because we all see data lakes whatever we want to call it so it's really our job to make it easier more explainable make the workflows easier make it more scalable that's something we aim for and then of course we need expertise it was said before we need expertise at the same time we need to democratize the technologies that many more people can use it they're not afraid of the technology whereas the overall industry did a great job over all the decades. Intergeo is a good example for that if I remember intergeo 20 years ago and now it's different it's different but the core is the same because the core is accuracy precision and then maybe on sustainability what we simply do in all industries as excellent being it manufacturing being it process industries we try to extend the asset life cycle whether it's a mine which is maybe 80 years a building which is 50 years a road which is I don't know how many years or tunnel so extending the asset life cycle even that we like new construction of course a lot but we like to extend it as well and that's something where we need to be a trusted partner over that life cycle and that's where measurement data can help to do that because if an harbour can run 10 years longer before it needs to be renovated that's something which really has a value a huge value and is really sustainable by its nature so that's something we need to do and there's so many things we can do more that's why we as hexagon never satisfied and are always impatient because we want to do more so to navigate sustainability from from from our background it data is just the beginning you know and the end is communication and we emphasis on communication between organizations working groups have this paradigm of collaborating and sharing to to spread out the word so to say and the important thing is I guess to navigate sustainability to get to smart decisions also on a political level but there are so many political decisions that sometimes avoid to be more sustainability than we could be today and that is a problem so today we are able to using AI to make an analysis of texts and documents and foreign trade agreements and you see how the industrial nations we all are related to deep forest ration in South America in the rainforest and we know all that and we have to take this into account to make a world more sustainable and that needs sustainable thinking and sustainable decision a little bit less pure political decisions as you are I just want one little question as you're from as we Germany so did the very famous called out Deutschland tempo did it accelerate any developments so I guess for sure we should accelerate a little bit we should do and apply and bring into practice what we can do right now and so all the experience and very skilled colleagues in the associations organizations are working very precisely on doing concepts and then some a couple of years later this concept has to be put into practice but today so our people are more working on a scrambasian basis they are more agile with sprint technology or sprint methodology and I guess we should apply this more in a in a political discipline as well and then then having good use cases makes other organizations follow doing the same and they come up with a portal and sharing the data with open interfaces and so forth and and then the world is going very rapidly more digital so don't have a fear to do that try and figure out and if it is gonna worse just do the next step with other things hope you heard I think the panelists did a great job touching on all the critical elements right political economical social technology and so on right I mean don't have to talk about the politics like the the US is example of a reality TV show right it's it does swing a lot of how people and and and the general community think and act on these topics right maybe one thing to add is is I like numbers so I there's a saying like you cannot improve what you cannot measure right so I think we all work good with goals when we have deadlines like puts pressure right I think it's important that we set some targets for ourselves I love hearing of KPIs and targets that are setting so from tribal perspective we we are making it a habit or practice we are issuing an annual sustainability report that's very data driven that that provides forecasts and commitments that we need to stay loyal to regardless of the political or other elements change right that we don't deviate from this path right so that that's going to be important right that we don't just get excited about the next next hype topic that comes along the cycle so so let's let's educate and commit right because once you say something you have to deliver right so uh let's use this momentum in the environment we are in now to really commit and I'm not sure whether some of you have been here last year when we talked about sustainability at the press conference um I talked a little bit about water and Egypt and we had discussion with many ministries ministries and to create digital twins to do something but policy makers are sometimes slow for good reasons but then you can start with smaller things and that's something we are trying in our company we're trying with customers so uh we use detection technology go on penetrating radar to detect water leak which is to see where the pipes are we really do that it doesn't solve the overall problem of water in Egypt or in Cairo but at least it's one step it's a smaller step and there are many smaller steps that you can all do we should influence policy makers and we should never give up but there's so many things we can do on a daily base we can start right away and that's the excitement what I see with all the workflows all the solutions and what we always say um innovation will remain our tradition I think that's key for InterGio as well that we obviously be innovative yeah we keep our tradition but what I really experience in that industry is that people make the difference in that world of technology and that's something I like so much that we all as people as a can do the difference and go out and do something because we can start right away we don't need to wait um professor Steiger um how how do you as an association can do collaborations with the industry or with the geospatial industry um and initiatives um to foster the adoption of geospatial insights for sustainability how can you accelerate the impact what can you do what would be your role thank you for this question what we can do and what we try to do is first of all we offer a platform InterGio is not only a trade show this is also a platform of exchange of information experience and ideas and if you if you go around everybody we all can make an analysis on our own what will be the trend for the next five to ten years and if you go around you see buzzwords like earth observation smart city bim for infrastructure digital twins and so on and so on satellite services like Copernicus earth observation for example is not new this has been done 30 years ago and it was called remote sensing but nowadays data are open everybody can do it you can buy data data are free due to the european data policy etc etc so these are the trends what we can do we offer this platform we try to keep it independent we offer in addition to congress where you can also explain and talk about all this i think this is this is our main task and of course we are a facilitator if it comes to the real global challenges climate change etc etc there is only one world and i like your question about trust and i think you should add to this trust collaborate trust means on a lower level trust in a technical sense is my data corrupted do i have a virus afterwards on my computer but it goes on a higher level what about the ethical trust of the data how do i use it or how do i abuse it and then when we come to the politicians and to the policymakers maybe the technicians who are here we should maybe work closer together and make common initiatives please what about the idea to have an intergeal 30 365 days a year 24 by 7 the virtual intergeal where we can all put our applications in and use cases in to show how we fight against climate change how we tackle this issue and how we how we do that just to provide ideas to the people outside want to get to know how we do it and not everybody can come here it's but they can follow us on the on the web right now and and so intergeal 365 could be an idea to have all those materials on the web and with clearly use cases for instance like a climate resilience portal we sell up with Noah in the US where you can see how white fires draws inland flooding coastal flooding arises hurricanes and so on and you can watch it in nearly real time and that is one step to navigate through sustainability a little bit more to have this information at disposal to make everybody know about it so that they can act and react to the current situation that helps a little bit so intergeal 365 can start right now thank you thank you for this idea okay with time in my mind we need to slowly get to an end and as this is a media conference or media event i'd like now the representatives to post their questions i think we have somebody with a microphone coming to you i don't know we tried we just tried so are there any questions from the media this is your chance all right somehow expected that it's always like that so um maybe we've just dealt with everything in a very comprehensive way and probably i could say that you are here for a while and if somebody wants like an individual speech so this should be no problem so i'd like to thank you very much for your attendance today and for your for your input that was very interesting that was had a lot of impact i think on many people so and i of course thank you for joining us here today for your interest and presence and i wish us all another one and a half days it's still one and a half days so it's not the end it's we're just in the middle it's the second half it's the second half which is in most of the cases more interesting than the first half like in soccer it's the second half so there's no overtime there's no overtime yeah another another one and a half days of inspiration and it seems like we need it and so take care and goodbye thank you very much thank you very thanks a lot thanks