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Listen, this is more of that misinformation campaign stuff. I know. Listen, I want to be clear like that doesn't mean that you should treat people crappy if they're having challenges with that stuff. Obviously, it's a very challenging thing to do for lots of people, so you still show empathy, but it's a fact. Did you see that the latest, they said that right now, and this is kind of side topic, but right now 75% of people who are dying from the latest variant, 75% have, you ready for this? At least four comorbidities. Not one, not two, not three, but four comorbidities. I didn't think we had anybody, I thought only like one person allegedly died from Omicron. That was early on when they said that. I just heard that just like a few days ago. I don't know. Is that still true? No, I don't think so. We're actually reporting that where they let you know there's those four comorbidities. That was a CDC director. That's new. Just came out and said that. What makes me upset about this is forget all the politicization around it and all that stuff. It's always been true, and I hate that that was never communicated to people. Now, I will say. Well, I feel like you could have done both too. Yes. I feel like you could have done both. I mean, even the way I suggested to my parents, because I know how unhealthy they are, I was like, you guys should probably go get the vaccine, but you should also try and get some vitamin D. I think you guys should be exercising right now, trying to eat a cleaner diet. I don't understand why it had to be either or. I don't understand why they couldn't have also recommended that this is something that everybody should try to do. Because let's be honest, if you're morbidly obese, you're not going to get healthy or fit in six months. But you can make it down. Well, you can head in the right direction. Yes. You know what I'm saying? You can start to head in the right direction. And so I think that it just surprises me that we had to do this kind of either or. It had to be like you were part of the anti-vaxxers who were just going to try and exercise and be healthy, or you had to be pro-vaccine and then stay indoors and fuck working out and fuck the sunlight. Why couldn't there have been middle ground? Well, okay, we have to consider this, that anytime there's something major, it gets politicized because it's like a gift. It's like a gift from the political gods. When something crazy happens and you're a politician, because it's very easy to use it to make yourself look like a savior or whatever. And it's not a popular message to say this, hey everybody, here's something you can do. That's not a popular message as a politician. The popular message is always, hey everybody. Everybody else's fault. Yeah, this is what we'll do. We'll do this for you. We'll solve it for you. And so if you tell people there's some responsibility on your end, you're probably not going to sway them or cause this division, which is very beneficial to political parties. So it's just not a popular political message. Nobody wants to hear that. So do you think that if COVID would have hit us in a non-election year, do you think that the way the CDC and everybody else would have handled this would have been different? I think it would have been similar, but it would have been, I think, okay, so here's a deal. Every two years there's some kind of an election, whether it's congressional or presidential. So no matter what's going to be landing on it. It's always an issue that can get a bill passed or spending or just to make your opponents look bad or make you look good, right? So whoever's in power, obviously it's their fault. Everybody's dying. Oh, now I'm in power. Actually it was the guy before me. It was his fault. Here's my solutions. So, and here's the truth. It doesn't make you invulnerable. Obviously there's all, you could be fit and healthy and still have all kinds of problems, but the numbers show that at least 2 thirds of cancers can be prevented through a fit and healthy lifestyle. Heart disease, the vast majority of heart disease is prevented with a fit and healthy lifestyle. Chronic autoimmune issues, great data that shows that either you won't get any or if you do, the severity of them gets greatly reduced. Like pretty much any illness or disease or chronic health issue is positively impact by being fit and healthy. It sometimes doesn't prevent everything obviously, but if you're going to go into a situation that's challenging. It's the only thing you can do. Yes. And I think that's the most frustrating part being in the fitness and the health community. And I think that's why, you know, there was a lot of reserve with a lot of the information out there is because that was just glossed right over and wasn't brought to the forefront. It's like, well, what you can do is really make better efforts, better conscious decisions about what you're putting in your body and, you know, how you're actually like moving around and exercising in order to maintain this healthy body to stave off. Just make yourself more resilient. That's the thing. You're more resilient when you're strong and you're healthy. Well, I want to officially welcome you to the club now. Oh, yeah. You're on to COVID now. So we've all officially gone through it. I am a little disappointed how easy it was for you. I thought you being the fattest one you would definitely suffer the most. So I really thought that. You really thought I was going to be down with Cal. I was a little upset that I think it was harder for me. Hey, you know what's funny? There's like a clear divide for a lot of things in our mind. Thanks for outing me. I know. Listen, there's a clear divide. Like you and I, Adam are so similar in certain ways and Justin and Doug are very similar in certain ways. And one of the ways that they're similar is they both seem to have mutant immune systems. I know. You and I will always get the most. The fact that Justin didn't get it the first time, like it's hard to describe this room for someone is like, we have zero ventilation in here. We are all talking, yelling. It's like we're in a small hot tub and somebody pees. You're going to get pee on yourself. And those were like the more nasty versions, right? And I got the little like lame, like we, you know, I was kind of feeling something, but it was gone. Yeah. I know. Well, that's good. I'm glad that it was totally nothing for you, which is great. Yeah. No, again, yeah, I'm glad. Both your boys or one boy has it right now? I know. Both got it. Both have it. How was it for them? Same like it was with me. They were just like sort of achy. And then it just kind of came and went. And now they're doing, you know, backflips and cartwheels. That's so awesome. So like, dude, and Courtney didn't get it all. Not at all. Yeah. Wild. Yeah. So weird. Bizarre. And for me, it was funny because like for the longest time, I'm like, what is it? You know, is it because I'm like, maybe it's because I'm like more dirty than the guys. Yeah. You got like dirt under my nails and you know, I'm just like always exposed to the dirt. Yeah, exactly. More bacteria. I'm just like a more of a bacteria guy. I don't know. He's always, he's rolling around in the tree. Yeah. Yeah. It's like pig pen, you know, from like Adam, Adam showers like three times a day. I don't care, dude. I'm out there. You know, and that makes a point. You got a point here. Yeah. Now I will say this. The, the, uh, the narrative is totally changed. It's totally changed. It's already shifting the direction you said. Yes. And they're starting to say, um, there's two statements that they, that the CDC made, which blew me away because had you said anything like this a year ago, you would have been wiped off social media. You know, the irony of this is like, so I have, you know, like a split group of friends, right? My conservative liberal, then the kind of in between, right? I would consider myself more in between and my, uh, my, my liberal threads are quiet right now because they were, they were two years ago. The CDC post. That's what I get every, every like in our threads. Yeah. Whatever the CDC would say. We'd come out like, see, see. This is what they'd be saying all the time like that. Nothing now because their whole tune is changing back the opposite direction. Well, okay. So, so, uh, two things they said, one is what I just said about the four co-comorbidities. That's a 75% so majority. The second thing they said was at least 40% and I'm going to pull it up just because I don't want to misrepresent this. So again, this was from the CDC. Uh, so CDC director Walensky reports in some hospitals that we've talked to up to 40% of the patients who are coming in with COVID are not coming in because they're sick with COVID, but because they're coming in with something else and have had the, the Omicron variant detected or COVID detected. So in other words, almost half in some hospitals of people who, and so these numbers getting reported, but those people aren't going in for COVID. They went in for something else and the policies to test everybody shows up positive. And so that's these policies now are so completely different than they were a few months ago. Like, so like, do you have that, uh, statement that they made about like if, if your healthcare provider or worker, uh, now because they're sort of short staff, if you test positive, like they'll let you come into work. Yeah. So as long as your symptom free, that's what they said, you can come in testing positive. Yeah. What you understand how crazy that is. CDC is now at five days they're saying now. Is that what the protocol is? Yeah. Five days, uh, you can go back even if you test positive, as long as you show no symptoms. It's just, so when does five days start? From firing everybody that won't take a vaccine to now letting you come in positive. I think it's five days after five days of no symptoms. But if you still test positive, then you can go in. And I think that's just there's new data, but also there's a shortage. Well, it's also because they're, I mean, this, I mean, they're now we're, we're also okay. And the other thing that is changing right now, we're now seem to be concerned of how this is affecting the economy and all the other unintended consequences like suicides and stuff like that. Right. Like that seems to be what we're trying to take into consideration now. This was a, this is a lesson in mass fear and there's a justification for the fear because there's a real thing that was happening, but the reactions, the overreactions that tend to happen. It reminds me of September 11th and some of the policies that we passed, it's still with us. Isn't it kind of always that way though? Yes. Isn't it always, but that's why you have to resist on some level, right? There has to be some pushback because otherwise it's just like, again, like the opportunist kind of a thing with politicians is to. Look, it's human, it's also human nature. When, when you're afraid, you overreact. You don't make smart decisions. I'm, I remember, look, I'm not immune to this, by the way, no pun intended. I remember years ago, my home got burglarized and we weren't home. We came home, the house was ransacked. They went through everybody's stuff. My, my son's, some of his stuff was even stolen. He was just a little guy. He was only like six years old and I completely overreacted. I overreacted with weapons and traps. He felt like a homelone. Oh dude, like iron swings down from the door. Bro, I would sleep downstairs waiting for someone to come. I mean, it just, and it's just. Watched home alone a million times. Yeah, I was always on to something here. Yeah, I put Vaseline on the floor. He'll slide and slip right here. That bad guy. But you know, it's just, it's a lesson in human nature. We just have to be, you know, kind of careful. But I will say this, remember what I said in a past past, excuse me, episode about how I think the gym industry is going to see a surge in people. I think that's common because now the message is work out. Everybody needs to lose weight and get in shape and gyms have been closed. People haven't gone because they've been afraid. I think everybody wants to start working out. I've had people DM me who work in gyms who are saying, oh, we're seeing huge amounts of people coming in. I saw this on, I don't know if it's a local news channel, but they were interviewing one of the gym owners and they were like, do you find this surprising with the surge of Omicron where they had a surge of membership enrollments simultaneous with that? But yeah, I think it's just people are kind of like, well, everything that's out there says we need to make sure we're fit and healthy to really do well with this. You guys know where I stand. I mean, I was looking at Planet Fitness already as a buyer right now because I think you're right, what you predicted, the message, you can see it happening. It's only going to get more in that direction, right? And I think it's going to attract a whole new wave of people that the same people that were scared to death to go anywhere and were double masking in their house are going to be scared to, I need to get in shape. And I think that the type of gym they're going to flock to is like a Planet Fitness, right? That's not a bad, that's not a bad, low entry level. I don't think that it's a long-term hold. I think it's a smart buy right now. It's not on a 52-week high. It's towards the top, but not at the highest. I think that first quarter numbers are going to come in and especially if the messaging stays around what you're saying, I think that it's going to surge. And so, yeah, I think it's a smart buy right now. I also think part of the surge is the feeling that now we're getting permission to start going to gyms again. And it's been two years of people feeling stressed and anxious and kind of staying away from things and fitness or exercise, I should say. We always look, everybody talks about, I just opened with how great it is for your physical health and all that stuff. But what's understated, and I still think this is the biggest value of exercise, is the mental health effects. And I think people are feeling now the need to move to get out and do something and it's essential for mental health, absolutely essential. And I think that's one of the reasons why I predict we'll start to see a surge. I can't wait to see what Planet Fitness is first quarter report comes out. Yeah, I think that's a good, I think that's a smart play there. Now, I'm really curious about the, you know, mirrors, tonals, beach body. I saw an article about- Those are the stay-at-home stuff. They're dipping on pelotons. Everything's kind of dipping right now. So I'm wondering if that was just like a crazy trend that happened and a lot of their projections and everything that they were touting all of last year. Is it going to come back down there? Remember we had the tonal CEO on? This is what we were saying. Also, we had Mark Mastroff on and he was talking about, you know, them working through it in the Asian markets. And then, you know, once that kind of like turned around, how everybody jumped right back to a gym. So I was like, I don't know, you know, we have different, but who knows, maybe the same. Did you see Lulu is suing, or excuse me, Nike is suing Lulu right now? Why? They're, well, they bought mirror. Remember like a year or two ago? Yeah, they bought mirror. And supposedly mirror infringes on like six different patents that Nike had for like tech stuff, like tracking your running and distance on that because it tracks all these things. So supposedly they're infringing on like six patents and Nike's coming after Lulu right now. Oh, wow. Yeah, okay. Yeah. No, it's funny because again, going down the hole, like inventor, you know, patent route, like you see how many patents Nike literally just like polluted like anything when it comes to fitness and tracking, they like filed like a million. They did patents for. Yeah. So that's their defense is their defenses. They're like, and they're countering counter suing back is like too broad. Yeah. Which is ironic because they just got sued by who sued the Peloton suit. No, excuse me. Lulu Lemon sued Peloton for their like tights that they made. They made some like, you know, like athleisure wear type stuff and Lulu has the same thing. A bunch of just patents that kind of cover things really broad and that's how Peloton won the case against them was saying that these are too broad. The R's you can tell these Peloton tights are not the same as Lulu tights and Lulu is using the same exact defense against Nike and their suit. You know, it sucks about the system because I understand why we have it and it makes sense. But also when you get to that size part of the game is to make it so expensive to fight your lawsuit that you don't want it before you walked in. Just tonight we're talking about this and like, I think this is an example of like, you know, billionaires fucking with each other. It's just big money. You've messing with each other. It'll cost us money, but it's going to cost me and sue me. All right, take this. We're going to sue you over that regardless. If it goes anywhere, did I ever tell you I throw punches at each other? I had a client that owned lots of commercial buildings and he I remember he comes in once and he's super pissed off and I'm like, what's going on? And he goes, there's a lawyer that is going around to all of my buildings. He's finding out which ones I own. He's going in there with a tape measure and a ruler and like protractors and making sure everything is perfectly ADA compliant. If it's off by a half an inch or an inch. He's telling me you, you need to pay me and fix this or I'm taking you to court. Yeah. So this guy literally would go in and I'm sure most just pay him off, right? They just pay him off. It costs him like $40,000 lawyer and that documentary for the was the fight before Christmas. I was trying to like get you watch it. He is on that level. He makes all his money by suing everybody and also to just just like imposing his will on on the whole community combat, you know, just to and it's again, it's like you look at that. It's like such an abuse of power because he can pay. He basically it's his job, right? So he doesn't have to pay a lawyer to do all this work. So it's like it doesn't cost him much, but it costs everybody else a lot of money to get legal representation. And so a lot of people, they don't want to go through that. And so they'll just pay him off. Speaking of scumbags or scams, I should say, but it's probably a better way to transition is who was the name? Do you guys remember the name of that girl who they were they were touting as the next Steve, the female Steven jobs and she did the blood one drop of blood about that pharma company. Yes. That was a huge scam. So that just can't Elizabeth something. Her her court case just came up. So she got I forgot. I think she got a nice sentence, dude. She did. I think she got 15 years. She did. Yeah. She got like 15 years for that. Dude, what are some serious? What was the name of that? I totally forgot the name of it. I overheard that the case there are no there you go. Thank you. Elizabeth Holmes. Thank you. There's a great documentary on that. What is she? That's a fire festival situation. Yeah. Same thing. Yeah. Everybody's hype. Nobody's checking anything. So you're a full female CEO. Yes. I'll pay you know this money because she was young and female. She fit the narrative. So the media went on it, which gave her more attention. Then she got like one or two bigger investors. And what happens with investors often is if I'm looking to invest in a company and I see that there's a bigger investor that already invested. I assume they did their due diligence. So I just go and oh, this is going to be good. Yeah. Nobody did their due diligence. There was a lot of red flags. Obviously, this is all hindsight, right? Yeah. Huge, huge scam. Huge scam. Did you see what she got? Doug was at 15 years. No, face is up to 20 years. I don't know if this is an old article or not, as well as a fine of $250,000 plus restitution for each account. Well, the restitution is going to be huge, too. Yeah. So I don't know if this is an old article or what here. Let me see if I can find something. I mean, would she be held liable personally for restitution? Is it, is that like? I don't know. Yeah, I wonder. That's a good question. And like she'd be able to pay it. I mean, there were millions and millions and millions of dollars that people lost through investing in her fake, her fake company. I mean, the, the, the message was with one drop of blood, you could test like a hundred different things. Yeah. Which would, which is truly groundbreaking and revolutionary. Oh, yeah. That would have been awesome. It would have been great. Well, I was, I was listening to the, the all-in guys and the, the, the science guy that's on there says it's not, that's possible right now. But where, what's, what's hard is to do that with multiple things and then to make it really accurate with that small of a sample size. Yup. Because when you do that small of a sample size, you're basically, you know, guesstimating, you know, Oh, if the smaller the sample, the less accurate you are with, right, right. So I mean, the, the science is kind of there to do it. I think that's why so many people bet on it. Some things like blood sugar and a couple of things you could do it with just obviously you still, you can do that now with blood sugar. Yeah. Yeah. But nonetheless, it would have been groundbreaking. Her numbers didn't support any of what she was proposing. No. Oh yeah. They were just, just, it was so unbelievable. And she made stuff and, you know, like withheld from all the investors. And she made stuff up. Completely. She made it up. That's how I feel about that. I mean, this market right now, there's so much stuff that just doesn't make sense to me. Oh my God. Every app being made up. Every day I read like something new about something and I'm like, new NFT and that someone's, I was looking at, my cousin sent me over the, I think I shared this with you guys a couple, a couple of weeks ago, the Nike signs that will kind of like how the car that changes. Why? So they, so they released the, the new Apple glass or like, so it was, you know, one of those where it wasn't supposed to be really leaked. Somebody leaked with the prototype of the new Apple glasses look like. And so part of them you'll be able to wear and then you'll, people that have like, and Nike will have like these, you know, AR Nikes that will, they'll change colors and the swoosh will be different based off of what you see through the, the AR goggles and stuff. So that's coming down the pipe. Wow. But anyway, my point to bring that up was actually just to talk about NFTs and just how many people are buying into these, these NFTs just, I mean, at what point do you ask yourself like, okay, it's too, if it sounds too good to be true, it's probably, probably. You know what it's, well, I don't understand is like, okay, so, and I love designers and I'm, you know, I'm a fan of like a lot of artwork that's out there and everything. But if you're not known and you're putting your own NFTs out there, it's like, and people are buying, like, what are you buying? Like what, like, what is that? Like there's no demand for people to like, keep perpetuating this, you know, further. No, you know what's happening is I don't think most people think that this is going to be a great long play. I think a lot of people see this as exploding and there's the fear, there's a FOMO. I want to jump on and make my quick dollar. And I can understand that. It's obviously an inflated crazy market. There's real value to the technology behind NFT. It's definitely not what you see now. Do you think it's going to be like an overnight like pull, you know, rip the Band-Aid off or pull the rug out from underneath you type of... I think it's going to be a pretty fast. It'll be... It'll have to be, right? Because I don't know how it'll be a slow transition. So you're going to have all these people that are like you're saying that are... They own the eight that they paid 12 grand for and that's worth nothing. Yeah, fear missing out. I mean, some of those like, okay, you've got enough people that are celebrities that own those that are all getting into these exclusive like virtual clubs that they're going to. That gives it value when a celebrity... It does. There's only a thousand of those board apes that exist, right? And if of the thousand, you know, 80% of them are owned by celebrities and athletes and they all get to congregate into private clubs that only they get access to by having those apes. I could see those... I could see those holding their value because really rich people that just want to rub elbows with some famous people are going to be willing to pay some with that. But to your point, Justin, you know, the random artist who like has sold three paintings in his life and he's selling now a bunch of NFTs or some shit or people with their startup businesses and then they're also trying to make this huge pivot over into, you know, into the metaverse and stuff. I just think it's too early to decide whether or not your idea is going to be the next big thing. I mean, I really feel like that's what you're gambling on. So, okay, and I know you showed me like a video of this a while back in terms of like it actually being this tangible virtual world like that they're constructing. Is this still like something that everybody's looking at every day is like this actual virtual world where I got this plot of land and I can show you this right now. So, I think, you know, I think Player One does a really good job in my opinion of illustrating what it may look like. And if you remember in Player One where he gets on and he's like his buddy, he's like, oh, where's my buddy at? And he's like on a different world. You know what I'm saying? Like he's in a whole different world fighting like crazy stuff and then he's over in this world. Like it's going to be that big. It's infinite on how big it could be. So, you buying real estate on some virtual world. Some planet. You're banking on that that's where everybody's going to want to be. Like what happens when eight months from now or two years from now when the thing really starts kicking off and people are in there, someone builds a place that everybody wants to be at and your place is is old or they never want to go there. No, you're right. If Super Mario Brothers was a virtual world that everybody went to, like owning, you know, level two or the castle and level five or whatever will have a certain amount of value. But if nobody's going, it's just there. Yeah. That's okay. There's a lot of hype. A lot of, it's all mostly speculation right now. But the technology for real is going to stick around and we're going to see some pretty good. It's going to, it's going to NFTs are going to end crypto. Both are going to disrupt some major industries. 100%. Hands down. I believe that. But to think that you have a crystal and know exactly how it's going to disrupt and the NFT that you think you're buying is. It's like the dot-com boost bust. It's like when the dot-com era really started exploding, every dot-com company that hit the public market exploded. Now, had you timed it right, yeah, you could have made a lot of money. But you talk to any wise investor and they'll tell you trying to time the market that way is like you're playing in Vegas. Right? The problem is you hear the stories of the people that hit the lucky number. So I hear the story of the twelve year old that made five million dollars. And I'm going to jump on and do this myself. Well, yeah, it reminds me of that where somebody bought some kind of like a big company, I don't know if it's like a Disney related type URL. And then they had to pay them for that URL. Now that became like a viable business strategy was to buy these URLs before the big company had to come back and acquire it. Everybody's trying to do that. Doug's that guy. Doug owns like 500 URLs. Hey, so what? Do you want to match like his thousands of passwords? You want to hear my strategy? When it looked like cannabis, when I started to see like, oh my God, marijuana is going to start to become legalized little by little. I bought a ton of marijuana related URLs. Did you really? I did. I mean, I can see why I did it. It was like, you know, like 420 this. Spliff.com. Oh my God, these business are going to explode, you know. Now that's like, it doesn't matter. I think I owned one that was weed to your door.com or something like that, which sounds kind of cool. It does. But a delivery service don't give a shit. They'll be like, can I buy your URL for, you know, 100 bucks? No. All right, cool. Let's do another one. We'll just make up their own dummy. What do you guys think is going on? Are you watching the housing market right now? You see that they're predicting again another year of like 17% plus type of increase. You know what? Pump, pump, pump it up. What you said is, is interesting. But the introduction arrives at 40-year mortgages. I have 100%. That is going to, that's going to be air into the balloon. You know, more and more a 40-year mortgage. Doesn't it just make sense so that that's the way, like nobody buys a house with the thought of paying it off? When was the last time you heard somebody do that? Unless you listen to Dave Ramsey and that's your kind of, your, your, your. Nobody does anymore. Nobody does. Most people it's like a long-term investment, setting up your retirement later on in life. And so the way to get, and then also we're, you know, all these people are coming out, well, like longevity experts and, and saying that we're going to be living longer the next generation coming up. And so to me it makes, it's the natural progression in. It's just cheaper monthly payment. And then in addition to that, where I also think that we're continuing to move in the kind of millennial direction of like kind of not owning anything, right? I think that the future is, and we talked about this years ago, that the future is going to look like this where you're not, you don't. You're going to rent everything. Yeah, you rent a car, the future. Yeah, I think cars, houses, a lot of stuff. I mean, obviously the people. It's for nostalgia. Right. But the way the natural progression to that is it'll just push it out of, out of reach. Well, you know how you know is if you look at some of the big house housing buyers right now, there are organizations that buy them like lots of them and rent them. So you're getting a lot of these buyers that own multiple units. And so that's how you know. Yeah, there's still not a, there's still not a big portion of the growing. Yeah, but it is growing. It is growing. It is heading in that direction. And I, and they're buying single family homes more now than they ever were in the past, which it used to be kind of like this, you know, multifamily units. Yeah, apartment complexes. Yeah, like that. But you're now seeing them buy single family homes. So I do think it's setting the table for that. But the thought that this, this market is going to continue to go this year is just, it's crazy to me. Yeah. All right. So I wanted to talk a little bit about hormones because I keep getting DMs about hormone stuff ever since I, you know, told the audience that I had started on TRT. And I've had people ask me questions like, you know, my testosterone is not that low, but it's to the point where I want to see if there's anything I could do to raise it. And so my advice is always, you know, well, if you're exercising properly, eating right, getting good sleep, getting sunlight, those are the best things you do. And then there's certain supplements that can help. They're not going to help as much as getting healthy, but they can help. And the one that has the, some of the best signs is Ashwagandha. So, and I want to say this so that, you know, the headache of trying to DM me because I'm shadow band, you can't find me anyway, is Ashwagandha. Ashwagandha consistently raises testosterone in men with low testosterone. And it does have a hormone balancing effect in women as well. Is the, is the Ashwagandha that is found in organized green juice? Is that enough for what you need to be taking in a daily? Do you know what the RDA is? If you're going to take it long-term? Yes. There's no RDA because it's an herb, right? It's not an essential nutrient. In the short term, you'll probably want to- Is it essential nutrient to have an RDA to it? Uh-huh. Really? Yeah, there's no RDA for things that are not essential. There's no RDA for, you know, Sol Palmetto or, you know, Ashwagandha or anything like that. Oh, interesting. You might have, you might see things like don't take more than this amount or, you know, be careful if you do this. Right. But no, not for herbs, but Ashwagandha consistently raises testosterone in men and balances hormones in women. I think acutely you could take a higher dose, like what's found in the Organifi green juice, but there's other stuff in the green juice as well. It should have this kind of hormone balancing effect. Now, where would you naturally find it? Is it a root? What is it? Oh, no, it's a- I think it's a root. I believe Ashwagandha means if I'm not mistaken, horse or horse pee because it smells really bad. If you guys ever smelled Ashwagandha- If you take it in a drop or form, that's why I was asking about green juice because I remember the first time I took it. This year's ago on the podcast, even before I think we were with Organifi and told me I should take it and I took it and I was like, oh, this is nasty. It's strong. Oh, you're on the liquid form? Yes. Oh, it's strong, dude. You open the bottle and you get hit with that smell. It's potent as shit. So that's why I'm asking about Organifi because if I could just have a green juice packet every week, that's a way- Yeah, so if you take the green juice daily or semi-daily for long periods of time, I think that's probably a better way of using Ashwagandha unless you have, unless it's recommended to take it higher doses for acute situations, like if you're working with a Ayurvedic specialist. Now, you would never get it somewhere naturally in your diet, though. You wouldn't, you're right. No, it's just chewing on roots. Yeah, you're not going to eat an Ashwagandha salad or anything like that. It's like turmeric, though. Turmeric is found in curcumin, right? So that's like flavoring or an additive to lots of different foods. We got this from like the Eastern practitioners with herbs and... Yeah, yeah. Ayurvedic medicine uses a lot of Ashwagandha. So I don't know, Doug, does it really mean horse piss? I don't know, but it is a plant that's native to India and North Africa, and it comes from the root. No, is it, you know, I don't know if it's just from hanging out with you, because you would know better because you've been probably talking about it longer, but I never heard of it before. Is it, is it relatively new to here? Like, was it something that it's been in Eastern medicines for a long time, but it just made its way to get popular in Western... It's been used for a long time in Ayurvedic medicine. It's one of their staple, I don't know what you would call it. Because even as a young trainer, I never recommended it or even knew anything about it. Because it wasn't really popular in the West. But then you started seeing studies that started to come out to show, especially when the studies show it raises testosterone while everybody wants to take. Or it makes you stronger. There are studies that show you build more muscle. So they'll do like a this many, you know, 15 men on Ashwagandha, 15 men off at Ashwagandha. Let's have them lift weights. Oh, the group that takes Ashwagandha, built more muscle and more strength. That definitely increased its popularity. I think this is like the positive side of the nerdy bio-hackers. You know, like they're the ones that like... Bound, find the stuff. Yeah, they find all these like really random herbs and different types of supplements that were used like long time ago or like different parts of the world or like, you know, like the Himalayan yak, whatever. They'll find something that has some value because they're trying to like create a whole business around it. You know what's funny? It's not that hard. If you... It's not obscure. If you just looked at Ayurvedic medicines in practice for thousands of years by millions and millions of people, all you got to do in those Chinese medicine and all you got to do is look at what are their top, you know, herbs or medicinals? Oh, these? What's still used consistently amongst everybody. Exactly. Doug, did you find stuff? Oh, no, it's just 6,000 years old Ayurvedic. So, and here's the problem. Here's one of the things... Yeah, but do you... Do you... Does anyone have like a story until like, what made it all of a sudden move into over here? It's when it showed, I don't remember how long ago, but there was a study... Was there like a study that came out that was groundbreaking for it? I don't know if there was a single study, but it showed that it built muscle and improved athletic performance and then next thing you know... That was enough. That was enough. Yeah, that's easy. That'll do it. But this is the thing that is a little bit, I don't know, maybe for lack of a better term annoying is that because we have western medicine which has tons of value. Sometimes we discredit anecdotes that have been around for thousands of years. Like, I get anecdote. Anecdote is your friend tells you this works. Probably, maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. It's not on the same platform as the scientific method, obviously. But when you have 6,000 years of anecdote, I think that that's got some validity. Whether you have a scientific study or not... I'll only take a little bit of attention here. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, there it is right there. That's the root. Cordyceps was the Chinese women's swimming team that brought that attention to light. That's been around, again, forever, right? That was only because they won a bunch, right? They were winning that crazy. Who knows if it was cordyceps or something like that. Yeah, but whatever, at least it brought that to the surface. Speaking of studies, I got a funny study for you also. So, there was a study that came out on psilocybin, which cracked me up. You ready for this? Let's hear it. Sometimes, what makes me laugh too is that science is kind of way behind what people already know. So, this is the headline. Psilocybin is safe to use in 10 milligram and 25 milligram doses. Okay. When people eat magic mushrooms, they eat like 2 grams, 3 grams, like 2,000, 3,000 about, you know, milligrams. This study shows that, you know, one-tenth of that is... My producing is probably okay. I know. It made me laugh. I saw that study. So, I belong to like different groups on Facebook. So, this was like a science group or whatever. Yeah. I guess it's much... It's safe at much higher doses too. People underneath were cracking up. Because I'm like, yeah, dude. No shit. We've been messing with this stuff for... I can't wait until Magic Spoon starts putting magic mushrooms inside. Oh my God. Stop. Don't say that. Hey. Did you know... It would be tasty. You know, there's a lot of studies that show, obviously, if you're in a calorie surplus, you gain body fat. But when you're a protein calorie surplus, you tend to gain less body fat twice. Yes. Well, I mean, okay, that makes sense. Well, it depends, right? It makes... It definitely makes sense if you're exercising, if you're strength training. Yes. I mean, because I've... Nutrient repartition. Yeah, I've said this all... I say this all the time. I was like, listen, you're going to increase your calories and make sure you hit your protein intake. What's great about that is even though you know you're in a surplus and your body's in a store, some of that, when you eat more calories and you burn, you're going to gain body fat. But I think what it does when you eat more protein is it changes the calorie outside of the formula. So I think when you take more protein, just through the muscle building process... Wait, let me just say let's back up on law thermodynamics for a second. Yes. Does it necessarily say that you're going to gain body fat or you're just going to gain? You're just going to gain. Okay, yeah. But I'm talking about the study saying you gain less body fat. Yeah, yeah. You're going to gain a surplus as it was before. Yeah. So protein is a great... If you're going to overeat, I guess, that's probably the... Although, honestly, if you want to overeat, it's probably not protein. You probably want to overeat fat and carbs and some, you know... Well, that was one of my favorite things about the... And again, I know I'm not... I'm not promoting you eat the whole box, but... You could get high and eat the whole box accidentally. I know somebody that's done that. Don't eat the whole box but get high. Even if you do, I mean, you end up getting like... When we figure out like 70-something grams of protein and then I think it was barely over a thousand something calories or even less than that. It's not that much... I've done a lot more damage with a bag of chips or candy or, you know, some snacks for sure. Oh, man. At least with that, I'm getting a good ratio. Totally. All right, so speaking of damage and I know I mentioned Shadow Band earlier. You are too. Yeah. Are you... So here's the reports I'm getting. So they'll have to type in my whole name, can't find me. Yeah. And when they do find me, when they try to follow me or message me, they get a notice from Instagram that's like a warning. So Vicky, you were telling me something this morning, right? Every time you try to follow me, like unfollow, you had to put my full name in. Yeah, and then for some reason I have to keep requesting you. It takes me off of following you. Yeah, see, so she said that to me today. So hey, just so you know, I'm not like weirdly stalking you unfollowing you. Dude, people get messages. They'll try to DM me or follow me. Yes. Do you want to send this person to me? Are you sure you want to follow this person? Be careful. Yeah. I don't know. I kind of feel more cool now because of that. The challenge, here's a challenge to the audience. See if you can find us. You know, good luck with that. But it's interesting. Yeah, I think I'm just guilty by association here. I think I just because of being your fucking friend, man. Because I'm like, I didn't even do anything I've done as far as guidelines, I guess, the weed comment. But it's like, come on, dude, there's people smoking weed on there and doing shit all the time. Like the fact that I said I was going to have some weed and wine with my wife, that's what got me. That's the only thing that makes sense to me because I haven't done any, you know, COVID pushed the boundaries like you do. Like you get into the more, you know, edgy stuff. I don't say anything controversial. It's so crazy. I don't. You had that one cartoon that was hilarious, it was a long time ago. I know. I know that was as bad as I think it's got. Yeah, I know. I stay pretty, I'd like to think I'm pretty neutral on that stuff. I try not to get into the, especially the political stuff like you do, like that to me is you're just asking for if I post that stuff. I know, like if you do post anything about Biden, you have to put like satire in front in the caption in order for you not to get it like ripped down. So I know it's interesting. I know it's an algorithm. I wonder if you could do this. I think cover it with the meme. So nobody sees it, but the algorithm will kind of like what we were doing with the go get the vaccine. That was interesting, right? That was a hack. There's definitely got it. I wouldn't be surprised actually if you could probably Google search and find like all the, you know, Instagram hacks. Somebody who works internally has to know what the algorithm is looking for picking up. And I bet you there's like little ways around. Yeah, because I don't think there's a person assigned to our accounts. Hey, I want you to watch God, we have this show and we don't, we don't rely on social media as our main source of income. But think about how, you know, how stressful that would be if I wouldn't be able to do it. Yeah. Yeah, there's so many people on there that their entire livelihood revolves around them being able to be found, you know, and it's like if you do one post where you feel like you want to just, you know, put it out there, you're just your whole business is suffering. And it's one thing people, that's what's fucking stupid to me. It's like, okay, whatever, you don't like what I'm saying, it's your company, I'm on your platform, you know, make it difficult for me to be found by other people, but at least let the people who have decided to follow, follow me, allow them to see my post. Even the fact checkers had to admit that it's just opinion. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what we're working with. Yeah. Well, I mean, again, it's their company, I guess they could do what they want, but they are, because the more they do this, the more they open themselves up to lawsuit, because they are no longer like a carrier, like the phone company, they're actively editing, and that's going to open them up for lawsuit. And it's a matter of time, it's a matter of time before they get heavily regulated and it's part of the problem is how they're handling it. I've just always been about let wild people say wild shit, and we can ridicule it and we can, you know, tell you why I don't think that's a good idea, but to stifle it and withhold it from people looks way worse. It does. It actually, it emboldens the conspiracy theorists. Yeah. Exactly. You're like, why? Why are they withholding all this? Like, what are you trying to hide? Well, I remember, I remember my niece telling me about her experience working at Facebook and how I told you guys every Friday, they would actually meet with Zuckerberg like on this big virtual thing and so with that. And there's, he gets a lot of pressure to do the right thing, you know, and he's, because I don't, I don't think that, you know, I don't think he's like this crazy left-wing dude that's running that company. I think like, just like the all-in guys are talking about, I think most these people that have built these internet companies are more libertarian. I think they're more. Well, it was all started initially. It was all started with the promise of the internet, which was open and free. Yeah. I mean, that's what motivated them and this, this idea of that, of free market. So I don't, I don't think that they have these left-wing agendas like I know the right likes to say, the Tenfoil Hat theories that, oh, they're all conspiring together. And it's like, I don't buy into that, you know, because I think these guys started, but I do think they feel a lot of pressure, both from the government and from their employees. A lot of these guys employ, you know, Gen Z and millennials that are up in the- And they're based out of California. That's right. Actually, not for long. Did you see Facebook's opening a huge office in Austin? How big? So you said that. I want to know how big and I'm so mad that- I got to see if I find, let me see if I can find it. I mean, I'll be eating my words about Austin as far as the real estate market there. But Jesus, if Facebook goes in there with a campus, because their campuses are massive. So is it like a hub? Or is it like a campus campus? I got to find it. I remember with Babylon B, I don't know if we were talking about this earlier or not, but they've done a lot of posts that are like satire that have then ended up predicting something that actually happened, right? So one of them was- Like the Simpsons? Yeah. So one of them was Gavin Newsom where they were talking about like being the employee of the year for U-Haul. Yeah. I post that meme like a year ago. It's so funny. Yeah. And so the article just came out that like they cannot supply enough U-Hauls to people here in California that are driving out, you know, to this day to- To anywhere. Anywhere else. That happened to me last year. It was so crazy when I- So when I moved last year, we got a U-Haul and the deal was they- you bought it, you put the down payment on it to reserve it for the day you're moving. Yeah. And they had to tell you that we can't guarantee it'll be here, though. Can't guarantee it. I'm like, what- Why am I putting this down payment there? It happened to me, yeah. When we were just trying to borrow one. I found the article. So Meta, right? Facebook's parent company. Meta is leasing a 589,000-square-foot facility across 33 floors. It's half of Austin's tallest skyscraper. Whoa. And they're expanding into that. What's the prediction on how many employees- They're gonna hire 400 or more or 400 more people in the area. They're currently 2,000 over there and it's gonna continue to grow. Okay, that's decently signed. Yeah. It's not that crazy. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's big. Well, we did- Are you excited about that? When we moved- when we bought in Fort Worth, what made us buy over there was Charles Schwab moved their headquarters over there and that was like 8,000 employees. Yeah. So you're talking about- that was- that was their main headquarters, though, that they moved out to the Dallas-Fort Worth area. Yeah, interesting. Hey, Justin, I have a conspiracy theory for you. That's pretty cool. People have been- I saw this popping up. This was something that happened a little while ago, but now people are talking more and more about it. So it brings up that this conspiracy about or the theory, I should say, is that of parallel universes. So in Mexico, somebody found a Nazi coin that appears to be legitimate, but the year on the Nazi coin is the year 2039. What? Yeah. So they found- Come on, where's the picture? Nazi. Well, I'll send it to the group. Okay, go ahead. So it's- they have the Reichstag Nazi Party symbol along with Neueva, Alemania, which translates to New Germany, and there's writing on the back and it says 2039 and they're like, is this a coin from a future world? Wow. Where the Nazis won World War II? Dude, this sounds just like that publicity stunt where they had those mirrored pillars. What a good call. Right? And then all of a sudden you saw it again in the news in a different location and you're just like- That's great. What is this? Yeah. Yeah, like somebody probably made that coin and then like, it just became like picked up by the news of like speculation. That's not a bad idea. That's a pretty good little theory right there. I mean, we should- we have the science to be able to test and see when it was made, right? So you should be able to do that. Yeah. But you don't believe that science. That's going to poke hole in your carbon dating, isn't it? Wow. But I'll say you don't think it's bullshit. Yeah, I think it's bullshit anyway. So let's get that carbon dating out. Let's find out where that thing's from. No, I actually- I like some of the old conspiracies that I like about Nazi Germany that had basically a lot of them had escaped and even like Hitler like staged his own death and was able to escape to like Argentina and then they had some base that they built in Antarctica. Yes. Have you ever heard of the Nazi connections to like the supernatural and like all kinds of things? Oh, yeah. Apparently there was- Well, that is true. They were like very much obsessed with the occult and a lot of different like supernatural- Yeah, and there's something called the Nazi Bell which was supposedly a time machine that I'm seeing right now. Yeah. And you said the secret bases in Antarctica? Yes. Where they do time travel? Project High Jump I think is one of those conspiracy theorists like Wet Dream where it's like, you know, apparently I think the US I don't know if it's the Navy or went, you know, on a reconnaissance and went down there and they actually met up with like U-boats and they found like some German like different vehicles and things and planes, you know, from Nazi Germany. But again, I can't confirm any of that. Did you ever read about the Philadelphia experiment? Maybe Duncan looked this up. This was the attempt at creating a cloaking system. This was and this was during I want to say this fifties maybe Duncan find out and they used very powerful I guess magnets or whatever. The point was that you weren't that with this particular device that the ship would become invisible because of it's because of the cloaking. So they fired it off or whatever with people on board. This is how the story goes. And it did disappear but it literally disappeared and then it reappeared and people were vomiting and sick and some people said that they ended up somewhere else and some people ended up like the age there was a whole movie on it the Philadelphia experiment. Is that the name of the movie too? That's the name of the movie too. Doug, can you pull up? There's a movie called Cloak and Dagger. I thought that was maybe that's the one we were talking about. Back in the 80s that we watched. Did you watch Cloak and Dagger when you were a kid? That's a kid. Yeah, that was great. I did. No, you know it's great. Like so back to Antarctica though they actually showed natural national what was it? Nat Geo? Oh, yeah. So that publication put a picture out where this like it's I guess quote-unquote a natural formation looks just like a pyramid in Antarctica. In Antarctica. You're like what? There's a cool picture of it. I don't know how big it is. That's Santa's house. Hey, are you current? Are you current on Boba Fett? Are you watching the are you so good right now? Are you watching it? No. What? Not yet. I'm going to start tonight. I just watched I watched half of the first episode of the Gemstones. Oh, you did watch that? Oh my God. Dude, please tell us. Is that not fucking hilarious? They're so good. Great way to close circle in this conversation too because we opened up kind of teasing the extreme left. I feel like this is the extreme right, right? Dude, the This is the best satire for that, yeah, for that like televangelist kind of nobody's really touched that before. Have they? I was trying to think of like a show or someone that's not well. Yeah. Not that well. The cast is amazing. The jokes are like over the top. Who's that one? Dude, I've been to churches like this. So why? So why? It's like so hilarious to me because they're just the over production, the guy that thinks like he never made it as a rock star and he's like on stage just I totally have. What are we doing? It's knocking people down with his hands. Yeah. Oh, the charismatic slain in the spirit. Oh my God. It's so funny. What's that one guy's name? Joel Stine. Didn't he get something? They found a bunch of money. Oh no. In one of the walls of I don't know. What? A bunch of cash or something. No. Really? I got my skeptical monocle every time. What? Skeptical monocle. Skeptical monocle. Please, Andrew. It's a thing. Yeah. If you could bring that out anytime somebody tells you something, don't say anything. Just put on a monocle. Yeah. Yeah. Anytime you get somebody that well-known, that rich, like that guy is rushing it. I know. And it's like, dude, all for the glory of God, right? No. Come on, God. So now, okay, now the defense, right, that he uses, or that people use in defense of him, is that all of his money that he has and he's worth, most of it, I guess, is from like his books and all the other stuff. Like he doesn't, like no money from the church, supposedly it goes to him. I know that hustle. Yeah, so that's the, now mind you, you use the church to build the congregation and the huge following exactly you still are monetizing that way, right? But that's how, I think that's how he gets away with it, right? You know, if you can make money and all that too and like help people, but, you know, there's a certain kind of sleazy, snakey vibes. Especially if you're selling to be not attached to material things, right? Right. Spiritual. I get that. What does it say on him? Did he get caught with something or? It wasn't him. I mean, there was apparently $600,000 of cash and checks that were stolen from a, and they were found in a wall. So, I don't think there's anything sorted about it. Well, I think condemning about that. I think the theory is that he, that his people said it was stolen and then hit it and tried to tell people, oh, we stole it. The money was stolen. 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So, go try them out. First question is from Matt Brandt, 67. I only field back squats in my quads. Am I doing something wrong or is that how it is with some people? Yeah. It's very common. Yeah, quads are one of the main muscles you're going to develop in barbell squats. Obviously, it hits the glutes and the hamstrings as well. There's nothing wrong with that. Now, if you're saying that when you squat, you really develop your quads and you see very little or no development in other areas or you feel pain in some areas or your form is off, then I would look at strengthening some of the other muscles or changing your form and technique and going lighter. But otherwise, it's quite common to feel it mostly in the quads. If you do feel it in your glutes, it tends to be the day after it gets a little bit sore. Yeah, this doesn't necessarily mean anything is wrong, but I would say most people that I taught how to squat or watched them squat for the first time were quad dominant and a lot of that had to do with their mechanics and or their inability to get their glutes to fire properly. So it's very common to have people with tight hip flexors from sitting down all day, which when you have really tight hip flexors and you get into the squat position, it tends to cause more of a forward lean, right? So then your chest kind of falls over forward more so. Then you have as much depth in your squat. Right. So then you're going over, your weight and the barbell are shifting over the quads more than it is kind of more mid-quad, right? Where we kind of like it to be, but you can't be upright enough. So then you get that and then to the point that Justin just made. So I do think that even though it doesn't mean anything is wrong, I think that most people when they learn to squat have got some issues that they got to address and work on to perform their squat better and feel it more than it was. You know what? I don't feel my glutes as much while I'm squatting as I do afterwards. Yes, that's what I said. Same thing here. So like while I'm squatting, it feels like my quads are taking a lot of it. But when I get sore, I'll feel it in my glutes. Oh yeah, definitely. Well yeah, unless I'm doing like a pause squat and I'm really trying to emphasize the bottom and the depth of the squat, which is something I would recommend if this is an issue and you're not really connecting well and there's a lot of ways to connect to the glutes and obviously priming is a big part of that. So to spend some time in that direction and do anything that you can do to kind of pre sort of fire them up beforehand, going into your back loaded squats I think that'll help to kind of balance the load there between the quads and the glutes. I did a YouTube video, maybe Andrew can link it right here and it was, I think it's the most viral one we did. It was the one of the three seekers to make your butt grow to Justin's point about what he's talking about and that video isn't just for girls that want to make their butt grow. It's also for guys that want their butt to fire more when they're doing squats. So watch that video. I think the priming moves that I take you through before you get into squatting I think will help out a lot. I'd say that here's how you know something's wrong. Obviously if you hurt in a way that's not, that you're not supposed to hurt. Like muscle's burning, that's fine. Joint pain is an issue. If you feel it in your back a lot that tends to be a big issue. Your knees or your ankles a lot that tends to be a big issue. And then if you're somebody that like we're saying wants to develop your glutes and you've been squatting and your glutes don't seem to be changing but your quads are then I would say do some hip thrusts first or prime properly. Watch your technique to fix that. But if you just feel squats in your quads and everything else is good you're probably okay. Next question is from Vicki Lula 18. How much does age influence the ability to make muscle and strength gains? It really depends on the age. Now here's the thing. A lot of the clients that I would train as a trainer tended to be in the age group of I would say 35 to 45 I'd say was a good chunk of the people that tended to hire that tended to hire me as a trainer. And when you're between 35 and 45 people like to say oh my gosh because I'm older my body doesn't respond as fast it's not that big of a difference in those age groups at least not in comparison to consistency, good technique, good nutrition. Here's what tends to happen though you have more time to accumulate injuries and more time to accumulate poor movement patterns. So the challenge tends to be when I get a 40 year old I have to correct a lot of things before we can really move forward but straight up here's a deal now that some of the fittest people I've ever trained in my entire career were people who were over the age of 38 and now it's not because they were at the prime age I guess you could compare the prime age of you know 20 or 25 to that and you'd see there's probably some advantages but the reason why people in their 40s tended to do so well they were more wise they were more consistent with their training and they had the wherewithal to know that they should probably work with a professional whereas you tend to get who's got all the great age benefits but doesn't that lacks the wisdom to get me help I know I wouldn't got help at that age Don't you think that this is misunderstood because of all the studies that point that oh when we get older you lose muscle oh when you get older hormone levels come down hormones drop so there's tons of research that's around this and I think that's why this question comes up a lot I think this is why it's so misunderstood because someone will be like wait a second I just read somewhere that it says as you get older hormone levels decrease or muscle loss happens or really feeds you an excuse right and what people are understanding that this is like this broad study of the average person that just goes through their life what tends to happen what you're not taking into consideration is all their habits and behaviors over the course of those 20 years to your point so I've had clients that were in the best shape of their life in their late 50s but that's because their diet and exercise regimen in the late 50s was better than it's ever been in their entire life so you just have to keep that into consideration now do I think the older you get that you've and you've prolonged those good habits the harder it's going to get absolutely if you take if I get somebody who is 30 never exercised never dieted or tried to eat correct right and they decide to do that at 30 years old do I think they have less of a hill to climb than the person who starts at 55 yeah of course they do but it has less to do with their age and what they're going to do with like for 40 years they haven't been exercising they haven't been doing these things therefore hormone levels are down they've lost muscle over those years and so they have you know it's all the lifestyle that led into that yes and so it's a matter of like how much do we have to adjust and correct to even get close back to like that honing in on that straight path and so I think like the you know the longer you wait to adjust and to correct these things that you know you should be doing right you know the harder it's going to be for you to then make gains but you know for me I bought into a lot of the age thing for a while even as a trainer was like I don't know if I can you know if my older clients were really going to make like substantial progress other than just maintenance you know or just like maintaining their strength but I had a 70 year old guy who actually gained muscle 70 years old and he can still gain muscle but it was just an all new stimulus very slow methodical approach eating probably better eating really well great community he was involved in he was all in and you know and that happened yeah your body never loses the ability to adapt when it does you're probably about to die right so you can always adapt one way or the other and yes adapting in a positive way might get more challenging as you get older so much on the negative here's the positive that I think is great about as you get older as you get older if you're consistent with exercise and nutrition the further you separate yourself from your peers and it becomes not a small difference a drastic difference like if I took 25 year olds that worked out and compared them in eight right and compared them to the average 25 year old there's a difference right there's a bit of a difference between the two minimal though you take a 70 year old yeah that takes care from that to a 70 year old that's the average 70 year old it's light years of a difference it's the difference between one group can completely take care of themselves have no issues have no health problems and the other one is on medications might have had some chronic health issues might need assistance to be taken care of anybody that's listening right now that is 40 north of 40 years old and has lifted and exercised most their life has already experienced this oh yeah if you've been you've already watched this happen with your own family and friends like you see maybe when you were in your 20s and you were lifting like that you didn't look that different or you weren't that separate you weren't that much more in shape than the most of them or the average amount of them but man once you start getting to 30 and then 40 and then 50 that gap just gets getting wider and wider it gets massive and also you know the hormone stuff and all that age can influence that but when all things are equal age doesn't make as big of a difference right so if you have healthy hormone levels and compare him to a 30 year old with healthy hormone levels there's a smaller difference not a huge difference when you throw all the other factors in of course then you can see some big differences but my best success has always been with people in that age group and I think they take it more seriously they're more likely to take advice when you're younger here's what happens when you're younger here's a big difference that I'll tell you right now is that you get away with more because you it's not cumulative so when you're 25 you can have looser form and screw up a little bit and whatever when you're 45 you might have done that a few times now you're like I can't screw up anymore because it's going to hurt really bad I was haphazard in my 20s oh I mean when I was in my 20s I was cautioned to the wind I hadn't experienced any major injuries or pain but after a few times of that you know now I'm much more careful and smarter about the way I train and then here's my memory is amazing it's so easy for me to maintain a body weight you know over 195 pounds with relatively lean you know with a relatively lean physique you know when I was a younger man it was a struggle it was hard to keep that much muscle now it's like I could work out a fraction of the time and maintain that so there's also this cumulative effect of a consistent exercise that stays with you and builds with you if you've ever met a 65 year old body builder who's been working out consistently you can see that man this person's got a lot of muscles that's just sticking around on their body versus when you're 25 and it's like you know you take a few days off or you skip a few meals and it just falls off your body. Next question is from Phillip M. Carroll what are your thoughts on fitness trackers like whoop, apple watch, etc. I think that these tools are great for people who are probably already consistent and probably already totally into fitness I do not think that these tracking devices are going to make a huge dent in the segment of the population that is challenged with being consistent with exercise it's just more data but it's not addressing the root cause of the issue which has nothing to do with data we have lots of information everybody can look up calories and exercises and what to do the issue's not data and information the issue is how to get coached through that how to develop the relationship with those things and so I don't think they're going to change much really cool technology I personally like them but I do feel like there's very much of a window of relevancy to them and that being in terms of understanding your own habits and just like when you track food just like when you really pay attention to any of your behaviors I think that it brings awareness if you feel a certain feeling and it's able to help kind of give you a number to that and you can start seeing that matching your feeling but really you already had the feeling in terms of like I don't feel like I'm 100% today and I'm over stressed and like I'm pretty sure your body can tell you that and you can hone in on that but you know and I'm talking about HRV in terms of it feeling like I have I have like you know I'm fully ready today and I could press it and I could go a little more intense today or like step count or all these other kinds of things like I think you know whether you're active or not at a certain point and I think you should know that and that's really the point of it is not to be reliant on the number telling you how to dictate how to navigate through your programming I mean I've said since the beginning of the show that I love these things I think they're incredible I I wished a lot of them existed when I first started as a trainer I think Sal you both bring up great points I think that you're right I think it benefits the fitness enthusiast the most it doesn't benefit my mom so much at all really because I don't think that she's in that place of even like the idea of it is education it's to get you closer to understanding what's going on like how is my body burning like this and when I exercise like that when I do this and I don't do that it's we've got all these incredible tools to help you get closer to understanding that most fitness enthusiasts are excited about that and they want to know that so this obviously is an incredible tool for them where I see it go wrong is when people want to compare all of them like this person who's asking whoop apple Fitbit or reading it's giving them to exactly what they think their body is like and that's the wrong way to go about this it's like listen none of these things are precise even if it does line up precisely with your metabolism generally speaking none of these things are 100% accurate and the idea is just to like Justin's point is just to bring more awareness to what you're currently doing so if you if you go into it with that that idea that this and I think this is what's going to happen and then I see the outcome because it's being tracked digitally for me and I can go back and look at graphs and go oh wow I was wrong here or oh wow spot on here or I was a little off there like that's where this thing becomes valuable is to be able to use that as a way to get a better education on what is going on with your body where you go wrong with it is looking at it like hard facts like oh my Fitbit said I burned 7,000 calories like thinking like that is the wrong way to look at it use this data to get closer to understanding your metabolism metabolism is one of the like you know what I'm talking about the 7 wonders of the world right you think this is the the universe and metabolism right it's like one of the most complex things that we don't fully understand and I think that these tools help us get a better understanding of it you can't expect them to be exact and precise to everybody stop looking at these tools like that use them as a piece of education at the end of the day the promise is it's going to help the average person it's going to make this huge dent because of all this data and it's not because look at our obesity is on the rise still and these tools are getting better and better look obviously a trainer working with you is the best possible thing you can have okay but here's what makes trainers effective it's not because they tell you what it is to do and how many calories to eat and how many calories they burn they would be ineffective trainers that are effective coach people they coach them through the process these don't do that they just give people data there's already tons of data go on the internet you get all the data you want that ever existed you can access it all does nothing people don't need data people need coaching and if you've been listening to this show long enough it goes like that should ain't changing people's lives does that mean that doesn't help me as a competitor to get in competitive shape no of course I needed that stuff but to reach the general population it's more about behavior and understanding yourself and that's why we speak to that all the time these tools are not changing that game they're not and they're not going to disrupt that whatsoever yes for the fitness enthusiasts will help you to get more precise and a better understanding 100% next question is from Pete on the gram what are the best workout shoes you know this reminds me of this question so first off it depends on who I'm talking to and this is this reminds me of something so years ago there was a book that was written about how running barefoot was the best way to run and it was this author that went and observed people who had run their whole lives barefoot and saw how the foot struck the ground and it was different than when you have running shoes on and the foot and the ankle or this great shock of the 70s and they have no back pain and he's like we've really screwed ourselves up by wearing running shoes that encourage us to run I think there you go and they encourage us to hit heal first and that causes all these problems whereas when you run barefoot or with these people run barefoot it was four foot first and all this other stuff well then you had all these people like oh my god groundbreaking taking my shoes off and I'm going to run and then you had all these injuries the reason why I had all these injuries is because years and years of work you can't just take your shoes off expect to run and have all these amazing benefits so depends on what I'm talking to if you have stability issues and ankle mobility issues like am I going to tell you to go barefoot no you're going to hurt yourself you go barefoot your feet are so weak and your ankles can't support you whatever weight you use the squat and lunge and overhead press and whatever it's going to cause problems so ideally if you've got great control great mobility everything's connected your feet are healthy and strong barefoot is the best how many people are like that very little so the shoes you choose they have to match who you are and your issues and then you can if you want to progress to less supportive shoes you can but it's a it's a methodical slow and controlled process and if you are at that point barefoot or shoes that have minimal support but if I throw the average person in minimal support shoes or flat footed those problems because they just our feet are so underdeveloped and our ankles have such poor mobility because of the way we've treated ourselves for so long just not a good idea it's kind of funny that in the fitness industry we really didn't put any consideration around foot strength or ankle support and that shoes were a big contributor to that and I remember like distinctly when I was training in a facility with like independent trainers which was the other sort of breed of trainer versus like what I had a 24-hour fitness and everywhere else and everybody in there had the the finger shoes the toes and but also the chucks and I remember that being like they're cool shoes and all but like I'm like how do you guys train in these things that's crazy to me like I just thought it was crazy I was all about the Nike shoes that had all the support and aesthetic driven like for running and all this kind of stuff but you know honestly the worst shoe to bring into the weight room because of you know the the lateral stability it was dog shit you know it was elevating my heels the whole time and so for me to transition even from that kind of a shoe to chucks was quite a big step and I remember feeling that difference right away with how my my ankles were starting to talk to me like worked up the kinetic chain so it's a very much of a something you need to gradually approach if you are to transition to something with less support but you want to work your way towards something where you do you are able to have some flexibility in your shoe so you know your foot can figure out how to stabilize you a little more chucks metcons vans vivo barefoot whatever shoes like minimus yeah minimus right these are all going to be the top shoes that are going to make this list right here and the truth is what makes them the top shoes is the closest to barefoot exactly so the the ultimate goal is to be able to get to a place where you can work out barefoot I think that's the answer to this like and whatever shoe is closest to you remember get to squatting as a grass that should be a good goal so if you're not squatting as a grass right now doesn't mean I'm telling you tomorrow you can't break 90 right now and then you hear on the show I say don't go get down there just because we say to do that but work towards that work on the hip mobility ankle mobility to be able to get into a deep squat the same thing goes with barefoot training and what does that look like what looks like first walking around barefoot like if you don't the only place you ever take your shoes off is like before you go to bed like you ought to practice that first like any time I'm at a place where it doesn't like require shoes like obviously I'm not some weirdo when I go into the grocery store and shit I'm walking in there barefoot and stuff like that or walking around out here in public downtown like that but you bet when I get home one of the first things that comes off are my shoes my shoes come off and I'm barefoot second thing is the shirt anytime the tan bark and the dirt like 100% were barefoot like so and that's how it started for me was and by the way like it was just not that long ago where my feet were completely asleep and I had no connection to them and I couldn't squat astagrass and my feet both pronated so I was a mess here so it's not like this is going to take you forever to do this but it just starts with those practices first it starts with you first doing those little things by taking the shoes off body weight type of movements work on stability so this is where a place where before I go and throw 400 pounds on my back and squat barefoot I'm going to do some lunges to a balance barefoot I'm going to do some things that are single legs so I have to work on that ankle stability and foot strength at the same time but build those muscles up get strong on your feet I have specific shoes I wear for specific lifts and that's just because I don't take the time necessarily to go and really develop my feet and my ankles just you know full disclosure so when I deadlift I like very flat shoes I wear chucks when I deadlift if I overhead press I also like to wear chucks if I'm barbell squatting I wear squat shoes because the heel is elevated and it compensates for my lack of ankle mobility if I'm doing anything on a bench I don't care because my feet really don't matter if I'm sitting or laying on a bench so that's the way you got to think about it like what are you willing to do what are you willing to do the right stability and strength in your feet and you just go and take off your shoes or go super flat you're setting yourself up for potential injury and pain even walking barefoot I've even had people say oh I took all my shoes off and just walk barefoot and then they get issues with the bottom of their feet and they're like why am I getting fascia issues and say well you always walk around heels so it's a slow gradual process our bodies have totally adapted to wearing shoes and if you've ever looked at a picture of a hunter-gatherer's foot next to a modern person's foot it is interesting forget the bottom you're gnarly looking forget the bottom of the foot with the thick skin and all that stuff just look at the top of the foot like toes are spread out and open and it's like this nice muscular wide strong foot and then you've got the modern feet where the toes are all brought together and at weird angles crushed and it's like we've really done a number of ourselves and by the way the damage can be reversed not all of it if you have children do this when they start walking this is how you prevent these issues because once you go past a certain point you can fix some of it like Adam's fixed a lot of it but will he ever have the kind of feet that he would have like my son I won't have feet like my son that's for sure I'm doing the same thing with my baby son right some of the damage you ever look at pictures of pro basketball players to their feet oh it's terrible because they had such big feet that probably couldn't you imagine if you imagine if a pro basketball player is like oh I heard barefoot was good I'm gonna go play pro you know I'm gonna go play basketball with no shoes on it would hurt themselves like crazy it's just war to caution that's all look if you like mind pump you 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