 I know that you know Tommy Robinson so I just want to ask you, I don't know him, I've read a little bit about him and obviously he's in jail now because I just wanted your view because you've met him and about what he's like and what your evaluation is of what's happened to him. Yeah, so one of the reasons I wanted to speak to him, one of many reasons, was precisely to attack the notion, the kind of grotesque notion even coming from otherwise sophisticated people that my God, how could you talk to this neo-Nazi bigot, right wing extremist. Now in all of the positions that I had seen him, I mean yeah sometimes he uses discourse that I would not use but I had never seen truly outlandish hate from him and so one of the reasons why I wanted to offer him certainly my platform was to hopefully show the world that he's actually quite a measured guy and you can't imagine the number of people who have subsequently written to me and who've told me, I feel ashamed that I actually had bought fully the idea that he is basically Hitler and then after seeing him on your show he came across as a very reasonable guy that had no hatred in his heart but that felt that his society should be protected and so my interactions with him have been nothing but wonderful. I've never seen any sense even when we spoke offline, not just in the taped conversations, I never saw any hatred from him. Now when it comes to what's happened to him, I think it's grotesque. I did a sad truth clip on it recently. I mean it's amazing how many people wrote to me angrily saying, you know, sad, you're such a moron. Do you not realize that he broke the law and he was warned not to do this? But then the question is why does such a law exist in the first place? Why is it that someone cannot be indignant and report about the industrial scale level rape of little children, right? I mean if that is something that should not cause you indignation, then they would come back to me and say but he is threatening the integrity of the case. These guys are going to look, it's all bullshit. We clearly know that people would love for him to just shut up and go away because if nothing else, they're embarrassed at having been complicit in the wholesale rape of children via their apathy. And so I think it's grotesque and he will go down as an important historical figure. So yeah, I mean the law of practice consistently, one could argue about whether a law like that should exist or not, I don't know. But it's clearly not practiced consistently. So clearly he was singled out for prosecution, it looks like. And it's not that if you practice the law consistently and he knows the law, then he could have protected himself from it. You can still comment on the trial without being right there. But it's clearly they were out to get him. And it's really disgusting. I've spoken to him off record where he shared with me. I won't get all the details, but when he goes into prison, let me tell you, if for no other reason, most of our colleagues, the academic types, who navigate in cowardice and then you see this guy who again, whether you like him or not, whether you disagree with his positions or not, is putting his life on the line in such unbelievable ways. How could you not admire that? Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. It really is horrible.