 it's a wonderful time for spookiness see it's Halloween you know a little bit spooky does lay pants talking more about Black Widow cuz it's a really scary scary and how shit it is whoa dude the woman was in that be doing double shit then so this this will only finally actually like have a payoff until like from a year from now but we are we were doing our recordings for good old next year if Halloween oh yeah and I screwed up the times in terms of we started three hours earlier than we were supposed to and so a person who was meant for the the final destination stuff couldn't show up the three hours and so like fuck and but everybody figured out it's like well I can make it for those extra three hours so what should we do and the J long gone had an incredible idea just just top-notch and we watched Karen everyone oh no brand old time that was it's been recorded it's quite a bombastic fucking ifa movies I think but that'll be coming out next year along with some other stuff but oh my god oh that movie just really pushing the boundaries on what a fucking movie even is I think it'd be just better title just be straw woman I mean it's so funny though I wouldn't want it any other way really it's hilarious the idea that it's a horror movie by the way that's just wonderful if you wouldn't have told me I would have never guessed the idea that you're meant to be scared while watching it that is possible other than just laughter and cringe I mean if you look at the comments responding to the trailer it's so it's so sad like yeah be like yeah this shit really happened no these even like even like just to take a second to call out a certain youtuber but like obviously alien did a video on it and he even he took it a little too seriously he was like well yeah these carrot like this woman like this actually exists and I'm like watch the same movie I did one thing that could have been considered like Karen ish like one scene and that was it you're being too loud I'm talking to the manager I wanted more manager talk I agree with what rags is complaining about that it's true yeah because it happened and I was like when is she gonna go talk to the manager but it already happened and they just went by it and that's the most number one like Karen thing that exists so it's very very upsetting and plus the film acknowledges the meme that the film is being made about so but yeah you know so you got that to look forward to one day yeah for now it was a wild recording session in general like my voice was actually gone when I left it was a long boy yeah we did all kinds of things if what a day that was right free we have the other things that we watched because we we had to do a couple things afterwards and proceeded to watch several episodes of a good game well we didn't watch several episodes but I watched a few more oh yeah oh I want to talk to you I'm up well I'm up to episode five now I will join in now yeah fuck yeah well we have so many things to talk about but just just quickly what how you feeling about it how you feeling good was bad so episode four was just super interesting in terms of the developments and I just find myself consistently impressed with what they're doing like every time they set something up and I think oh you could do that they do it and then I'm like you really doing the potent stuff like you're progressing in a way that is logical yeah there's a lot about that's sure yeah we could maybe if if you think it's solid enough maybe we'll try and get some other people to watch maybe we do an episode on it I don't know that that could be fun it'd be nice to talk about something that is really good yeah is really good well I've been curious about it I heard that the some translate people that not everybody was happy with the translation from was a Korean or whatever the original language I could believe like the yeah because some of the dialogue is a little bit flat in terms of just straightforward and I've been super pilled on this ever since train to Busan I saw because they watch like a shitty version I guess for the first five minutes and the subtitles just broke after being terrible but what I assumed was the dialogue wasn't that great and because I was reading the like the example I'll give is in the bad vision I saw this guy in like the opening is like my goodness what a bad day I'm having today and I was like and then Amazon was like if you pay X amount we can we'll show you like the top notch vision I was like you know I will because this film seems like it's pretty good and like the the Amazon vision he was like for fuck's sake what a shit day and I was like that's way better that's way more like a human and so I wonder now like it's not just bad dubs that exist it's bad subs that exist yeah you gotta know you never know who's fucking you over anymore and I noticed that I thought I heard something about I don't I'll literally know nothing about it other than the shows like the top thing on Netflix right now and it's doing great but I heard that I guess some of the translations kind of take a bit of liberty kind of put a little bit of their own sort of view point opinions and into it kind of like Americanize some of the dialogue which it that didn't exist in the Korean so I'd be curious if there's a better better set of subs out there but I guess it is probably Netflix originals that probably doesn't exist so that's why you learn the bloody language like I literally like wish to watch TV show that's not happening try learning man you said that's so like confidently watch a television show alright I watched this show and what like six years alright cool yeah we'll be back it'll be great as we all know I just learned English overnight just like this like I would a stream in English boom there it was no problem yeah I was just sitting there with you going hey no no it's it's called called poop in English okay you see that I said Vtuber that auto translates yes but yeah you know maybe we'll talk about all that in the future I learned English in Western media good for you I'm not learning a language to watch TV show yeah you don't have to do that I wouldn't ever if I was like oh man you got to see you know fucking Jurassic Park something and you're like okay I'll go learn English I'd be like well it's probably it's probably subtitles for you know you don't need to do that no especially an Asian based character set and everything that's that's an incredible endeavor to learn that yeah I was just dog oh I do I speak all breeds of dog me varkish so while we were doing that recording last night I was it was like between recordings I was like I'm gonna have a look at what's going on on the subreddit which was a mistake you never go to reddit this thing before I go on this wonderful little adventure I do want to say like the reddit isn't filled with complete pieces of shit there's a lot of people on there that are just having a fun time there's lots of creative things that get posted a lot of fun things but man like if you can set your mind all the way back freeing in rags to that wonderful time we was we were we were streaming we're doing I think it was the previous eFap and we were just responding to the super chats toward the end wonderful time do you remember anything particularly controversial happening because because I don't I don't know okay well no this wasn't the one no yeah this is this was the the cake one we were talking about spoons versus forks I don't know that there was some really dumb comments on the last eFap but other than that no well really I spotted this and you're welcome to read ahead but we're gonna go one by one okay so trying to try and we got to go do this chronologically because oh well also gosh this is the most work we'll ever have to do while responding to a fucking reddit meme right so hit the watch together you guys have access to that excellent and then here's the image you'll need both of these to follow along don't worry like precious together oh don't worry eFap audience you'll you'll have it all to I'll show you so we'll start with with slide number one of this wonderful meme boom right anime yeah so I saw this and it was it was getting pretty hardly up voted and it was like man like it was it was the title was something like well we'll look at it in a sec the important thing is just like hmm what is this because give eFap a super chat to get Miss Anthropony invited someday didn't mention MLP background for all avoiding shitstorm let's just you know this is where the story starts there's no shitstorm for mentioning my little pony eFap doesn't really get shit I'm trying to think of like an extreme and if someone was like oh fucking I adore telly tubbies you guys have to check out season 3 I'd be like okay I mean I can believe that something happened in telly tubbies that could have been quite meaningful I just doubt it and that's the kid for like baby it's a story for babies so my little pony is like meant for I guess I don't know what the age group of that even is but it's gonna be relatively young like around early teens and it's gonna be adult men well I I legitimately heard that they actually kind of changed their target audience when the whole brony thing happened they actually started to kind of cut you know how kind of like how Shrek can be enjoyed by kids but it can also be enjoyed by adults I think they kind of went that route if I recall I don't have not watched a single episode but that's why I heard that they sort of embraced the the brony audience by kind of double writing you know writing in a window and stuff like that that's why I heard apparently the person who made this is like why is my b-balled screen you're about to find out so yeah they gave us a timestamp and everything so this is wonderful now without going any further we've said what I feel like I think right you actually said this when I was mentioning it to you Miss Anthropony is possibly one of the most asked for ones that we've always said yeah well maybe set that up yeah yeah no reason absolutely I feel like every e-fap we are we're asked to have him on and that's something that may may happen in the future I got nothing against it and you know it's in the name Miss Anthropony if you ask me what do you think their avatars gonna look like like probably a pony yeah and and if you're like what content to make like probably related to my little pony the show and there's someone down the internet either yeah and if someone said does that make them a less you would be able to like no no never would have come up friends yeah and I literally black friends I have brownie friends I and I said that I literally in that stream I think it was in response to that when I was telling a story about a friend of mine who was obsessed with it and I saw a couple of episodes and I said the show was fine that's what I've said so I saw a couple episodes a friend a brownie friend showed me a couple episodes I watched him it was fine I was a little confused by the that first thing already we haven't even gotten to the later ones I was like why is there why would there be a shit storm for MLP I just you know none of us really care that much but they gave us a timestamp for it just to see it come in we'll just see what the Super Chat was 105 15 all right let's have a look I didn't watch some good or is really beautiful so let's have a look what it says hey crew I hope you can get Miss Anthropony on his recent videos getting hate for caring about a TV show too much he's a good boy and I hope we get him on some days format is similar to the unbridled rage videos perfectly normal Super Chat I remember the Super Chat yeah and so you might be like well what did they say well back to the meme says Moeller is checking his YouTube page and sees the video is trying not to mention that it was about like you know blankly is like is that a problem why why would you why would you bring it up and and not want us to check why why would you ever recommend someone to come on to eFap and then be upset that we checked their videos well that that would be funny right like hey this person get them on don't check out those videos are there really exactly alternatively you would like them I don't know what if ever we have anyone on I'm I'm not the kind of host that goes like whoever you are come on just I'm usually like oh what do they do what are they interested in and then I try and find out what I can get as an episode for them let's see what we say that's I'm not ready for that nobody is a crew I hope you could get Miss Anthropony on his recent video getting is getting hate for caring about a TV show too much he's a good boy and I hope we get him on some days format is similar to unbridled rage videos what's some what what is he getting hate for I don't let's have a look I'm curious yeah that was that was almost to don't think about an elephant thing to say well I don't like this if that wasn't it'll be like but I don't know it's a bizarre it's Miss Anthropony so the cat's out of the bag sorry I think we know exactly what's what the child's gonna be about I was curious at this point what's the TV show that Miss Anthropony is getting flack full either defending or attacking I was curious which I would say for literally everyone is it is that why oh oh it's it's about my little pony so that could be the infamous that could be for all kinds of reasons I wouldn't know I haven't saying it's bad or something I think I think they're saying the new one is bad the old stuff is good that's my assumption from the thumbnail and title which is probably gonna piss off the new fans of my little pony okay you know them lot that big into the pony stuff I guess I had a friend a guy friend who was a super brony it was really strange yeah I know people yeah he had collected some of the some of the dolls and would constantly say that I need to see the show and I'd be like I'm all right I think I saw a couple of them and I was like it's fine it is absolutely yeah I had a friend who's into that stuff I mean I still have it's still my friend me I got they showed me a couple and they were fine they're fine I enjoyed them with characters doing the thing yeah I had no issues with the show and yeah I don't know which of the many different fucking pony shows it was I don't remember it was around the same time Game of Thrones season 2 was out so that should tell people which one it was and as you can tell the fact that that's my memory was me being like I prefer Game of Thrones to this that's a preference I have oh speaking of which Game of Thrones season 8 is a pitch perfect example so that was that hmm did any anything you guys can detect this is a huge problem yet no no we have a lot of it seems like general apathy really invested in the show yeah really really normal response just like yeah and we've said a million times over we're happy to have MLP sorry misanthropony on at some point probably thought it out yeah that just that was the most chill sort of thing I could ever imagine so stage three of this of this meme giving 100 euro super chat to get things right explain they don't need to talk about this TV show and give a high rags to show I mean no harm what that's the piece offering is saying higher what is like I think I'm beginning to sense that this person is a little entitled I like I was lost reading this meme I was like what do you mean show no harm what so I don't know but you guys will not whenever I go to church and I ask the father what I should do he tells me to to you know use my rosary beads and give me tells me to do five high rags recommend it it will cleanse you so we'll try and get to scrolling system is useless but I don't know what kind of game is it gonna be it's like turn-based thing but you it's something with cards instead of like do my politics in chat as well look at that we're watching if you're on how strange is this move specifically um it doesn't look awesome so yeah I don't know what to make of it I rags you should play DRG it seems up your alley DRG I don't know there it is so miss anthra's problem on the new content is exact same as that thing with the new Star Wars sequels have there's also a sequel in the far future all the main characters are dead and their goals didn't happen get them on you don't need to talk about MLP love you guys and high rags when I read it bear in mind this was nine hours into the stream I read it as you need to talk about MLP however reading it out like that it's still pretty mundane it's just like okay got um it's a show that is apparently ruining the older show it's just like yeah makes sense I see why people be angry whatever that's probably the videos content and um you know love you guys and I rags just like okay right that's that's the message so what's next to the meme Mola misread it as they need to talk about it and made it all cringe Mola makes a joke to rags as if I'm one of his weird fans rags do you remember this what what comment did you make that would imply that so when I read this meme I was like that doesn't sound right I don't usually do that like ever I don't usually say like oh no it's super chat from one of them weird fans like I don't I don't typically do that so let's have a look at this timestamp I guess so eight four two four three all right yeah let's see eight fine tune in this shit we're 20 seconds behind it both the best I can do or that's right like yeah what like that could mean a couple things you know and like it's I think like if every person who hears that is gonna have their own you know kind of idea of what that is so in in some ways that could be useful in other ways it could be totally useless so it depends on how you use it like many things yeah yeah misanthropony problem on the new content is exact thing what the Star Wars sequels have this is also a sequel in the far future all main characters are dead and their goals didn't happen get them on you need to talk to him about MLP love you guys and high rags hello to you I'll be honest I don't have a lot of investment in my little pony yeah I don't care yeah rags seems to have a lot of fans in chat that makes sense rags you got some fans in the EFAP audience did you know that I think they're here despite me now because of me oh which gives me all the more reason to never leave here's the life equation if you're so that that's that no all right so my take on listening to that again I was like so what happened was I read it out and then we said we're not too concerned about MLP and then do my noticed people in chat was saying stuff about rags I said you got some fans in chat and and I was just like what are the odds rags has fans on the EFAP chat you know just taking it literally just to just to twist a little joke and then I think rags is gonna take a little bit more sarcastically back to where Duma was going with it moving on now how was that taken by the meme rags didn't say hi to me instead he's telling everyone that I'm a hater who wants him gone from EFAP what so first off you already fucked up I did say hi yeah so you had one job if you will so like I watched it I was like wait but the rags said hi and he doesn't think you want him gone from EFAP he was response that was a different that was a different thing at that point in fact well rags couldn't be wrong because he was referring to people who hate him want him gone right that's a category that you're only in true if you're in yeah so yeah so I saw all this and it looks at times I was like so what the fuck happened here because this is just not true like the big funny one for me was just the fact that I went to the time step after they said you did not say hi which is you know it can happen it's just a little unusual it can happen it does like the first thing you say is hi okay yeah cuz you got the timestamps for the meme so you would have heard that yeah I guess now some people might in chat be wondering like why are we doing this it's like well it's so the meme was bad enough because it like it's annoying but it gets posted to the reddit and if you guys remember what pissed me off the last time we did something like this was the community fucking upvote in it to the top this thing has 200 upvotes I was like why it's just wrong because the title is 155 I'm never gonna super chat again yeah um we'll get to that so like what the fuck's going on like you guys just saw the entire thing it seems like people in chat are baffled because obviously we are too like what the fuck is going on but it gets worse because it's not only upvoted we start having some comments to read rags would you like to read this comment I would love to read the comments that's that this thing spawned all right layer ye does it seem like the e-fap crew have become a little more hurtful and judgmental than when they first started I'm not starting a definite I'm not stating a definite just asking because the new e-faps don't feel right this could just be me considering my anemia has been getting worse I have been having trouble understanding things lately um I didn't know anemia had something to do with no I mean yeah like cuz obviously we can assume these are made in good faith but like it is funny to read except just like what if ever become more hurtful and judgmental when they first start let's just say as a person just video since the beginning we've not become more hurtful and judgmental there's no fucking way absolutely not also did you click the timestamp did you listen to that I'm gonna bet they didn't you know I'm yeah I would say they didn't all we said was we don't know anything about my little party then we talked about a totally different thing and it was banter it was a joke what was what the hell I hate you guys it's really my rickets acting as my rickets oh that's my knee again and then comes the legendary comment the one that made me think yeah we're gonna have to address this now cuz what the fuck so I guess should we do this in pieces or should I read the whole thing and then we'll do it in pieces cuz it's a bit so you can do pieces we can do pieces like an effect video maybe hmm well if it's all on screen people can read ahead if they want so maybe let's go in pieces all right we'll go in pieces rags take the reins oh god here we go and this is gonna be audiobook I mean I gotta I got it the full I got a middle mouse button yeah this is a right proper comment common redditor Reese I believe you all right does it does it seem like the e-fap crew have become more hurtful and judgmental nope always been this way it's actually really sad at times I know people don't like me not having time stamps for when I quote the crew and they are often hypocritical I am not going to write every moment down when it happens I am sorry I am often doing things when listening to the podcasts all right wolf was a toxic individual though hard not to see when you have a debilitating mental hard not to be when you have a debilitating mental health status that will reflect how you talk and sound what fucking yeah that's great that ended fucking shit I don't know that just feels like internet psychologist bullshit oh well they've earned they've earned a fuck you for that one but let's see how many more than all right get out the golden stickers everyone seeing how they talk when a guest they have watched for an e-fap is present first not on the panel is shocking they are almost two different types of people without the guests they are egotistical frat boys with a guest they are humans having a talk so welcome to earth motherfucker where when you look at a video it's detached from a human and you just respond to what they're saying this is having someone in a chat where you're more deliberate slow and understanding to make sure that they feel facilitated and you fully understand what they make what points they make would you prefer that we would that we were like incredibly harsh and rude to people in person I assume they would say they would prefer that we're much kinder with videos but like when we I I think that I think that are that that that is like a significant exaggeration I just I don't understand when you have a video that makes like 50 stupid statements in a row you see it happen with me all the time I try I start out like I've got my you know my allowance is really high and I'm like all right maybe they meant this all right it's fine so fast forward to like the 8th hour and I'm like I can't take this this is like the worst video I could see that sort of shit cuz it's just like this is the points are sober that happen and the thing is it happens with people in calls depending on what they say dare I remind everybody well also in fact it happens in real life as well yeah depending on how tired you are or how pissed off you are I think it's what happens in your day happens when we talk to each other fucks sake yeah we'll lose patience with each other depending on the conversation again welcome to earth I don't know what else to say I think it has to do with when you're criticizing a video you're you're speaking to the content but when the person comes on you're speaking to the person you don't immediately assign malicious intent to the person you want to discuss them that discuss the content and the reasoning behind it or you know pick apart their logic or they're missing information or why they wrote or made that video that way and you generally don't get a whole lot of information or a whole lot of communication in general if you're just immediately an asshole the person yeah I mean it's just basic emotional intelligence you're not going to be a dick to somebody for no reason yeah continue right all right oh for somebody let me click on it here let me see in the super chat ketchup for last of us to Mahler at some point started talking about Batman had this to say about cosmonaut variety hour he put in a tweet that Bruce will be fine because he has a butler how could you be in how could you be so insensitive Mahler talking about cosmonaut just pause there does that quite sound like a quote from me I mean the point being made I agree with but how could you be so insensitive that doesn't quite sound like you doesn't sound like me to me now I'm being sarcastic maybe but the thing is I think what he's referring to is when cosmonaut was like yes his parents were murdered but he has a butler he'll be fine and so I remember being like what the fuck that sounds like something that cosmonaut would say because he's a detached fucking loser he's an idiot and he's got really bad like he's remember he said like if you're rich you don't have problems really he was talking about the Will Smith thing yeah was him when he was like crying and clearly upset and it's like well he's got money it's like so the emotional like yeah that's just how it works money just makes it so that or at least that you should be less that you don't need to be as empathetic because the guy who won a Grammy won an Emmy and an Oscar who fought and tried really really hard for 20 30 years to become a success and like at least three major major entertainment industries was betrayed by the love of his life of 20 plus 25 plus years we shouldn't feel sorry for him that's such a yeah but the thing is I don't disagree what I'm saying is it doesn't quite sound like someone I would say but I don't disagree with my sentiment which is probably the imagine fucking so we talk about this a lot when someone reviews something that it'll like just give you an indication of how they deal with stuff in real life if a kid is crying because his parents murdered in the street in front of him and you see this butler with him I wouldn't be like well he's gonna be fine just you know man up I feel like no he's been tormented it's like he's a millionaire or billionaire rather than it's like I don't I don't know what you just parents like so yeah it's it's a really dumb thing to say so I still agree with the sentiment so continue all right that's all well and good make the crew seem fine even if we ignore all the insensitive go kill yourself jokes oh yeah jokes we definitely we literally tell people to kill themselves in a non-joking way that's right calling others dumb childish etc up to that point okay so to be clear he's making it sound like calling people dumb and childish means that your your character is in question like well person who wrote this you need to know the context what what did the why would why would someone say somebody's being done with childish to be honest dude I don't know that calling someone childish is not really ever gonna make me be like oh my god there must be something seriously wrong with you if he was a doodoo head oh my yeah exactly in the e-fap where they discuss and the creator who cried saying Luke at Star Wars Theory rags says this I will absolutely gate keep emotions you are an adult you shouldn't be crying at fiction actually said worst things but I forget the actual quote I thought I don't I was gonna say I don't remember you saying you shouldn't cry at fiction I don't recall saying that either I will absolutely stand by the fact that what he did was pathetic and he does grow well there's no way we can we can repeat the position and again if you disagree with this where I go ahead like I thought it was the it was the site of Luke that makes him break down in tears and I specifically said like that's a problem especially if you see like images of Luke in your local day to day just a poster and you start crying in a store like you gotta get that under control but like if you're you know immersed into a movie a story that has a particular payoff in it that's all about like something that's gonna mean a lot to you it's like I guess that makes a lot of sense but they were saying like yeah but you don't understand it's to do with how he recovered from cancer and I'm like yeah I know that but the thing is like that can that's a thing for everybody and you gotta lock down stuff like that if it's gonna be as simple as you see an image of Luke which is all that was uh this is part of the whole point that Mandalorian was completely meaningless um but it really got to people just because it was Luke with a lightsaber and so I wonder like does that extend to like a key ring where he's just there with his little lightsaber and and you know if it does what about a pest dispenser how many how far does it go exactly you just see he just sees a pest dispenser embodied head and just balling and wall hit wal-mart well yeah and and and of course um whatever defense you come up with him that should actually reflect on to uh what's his name the one that is famous for crying in a cringe wave um like the trailer guy who like crying yeah yeah he's a trailer for rise of stamina yeah that guy is a problem and he needs to fucking grow up exactly and if someone was said like wow you're insensitive for you know judging uh Star Wars Theory too harshly I'd be like well you're insensitive for judging that guy too harshly um and I wonder where the line is Eric Eric but that's the one yeah it seemed to me that those two things look shockingly similar to me exactly that's that's the position we took I know it was unpopular but it's I mean we're here to be honest I don't know it's only we're just gonna lie it's like seems to be uh but yeah go ahead yeah because like that's something yeah that was how rags responded to a person seeing their fictional hero that helped him get through cancer as a child crying seeing them on screen you bet your ass and I do it again uh funny how that's not insensitive right I don't care if that's insensitive I was gonna say I don't think I've ever judged uh the morality of an action based on strictly if it's insensitive because like I've said insensitive things to people when the goal is to get them to realize something more important yeah I uh yeah uh just I really don't care if you consider that insensitive and that's why I wonder about that quote from me I'm just like did I really say it was insensitive that just sounds strange for me to did you put that in there because it's like ah see my right hook you were insensitive see I set it up and I think I might not be too critical of this guy compliments you significantly soon oh real we'll call a real person that's so strange Mueller will call a real person insensitive for seeing their uh for talking about fictional characters but has this to say about rags who insults real people constantly what is this with real people so uh the the so the criticism I have of Cosmo is how his perception applies to real life not because I'm offended on behalf of Bruce Wayne what I figure that's what we're all doing whenever we whenever someone says like I hope you know fucking that character gets the balls torn off and they torture to death because they cross the road too quickly and it caused a bit of a scuffle you'd be like whoa it's like what do you care about this fictional character it's like no that's not it it's to do with what you just said uh meanwhile like I've insulted people in real life I don't need it like he's like oh you don't have a problem with rags like I don't have a problem with myself it doesn't matter if rags is insulting people I do it all the time I don't understand let's see um so Mueller uh let's see uh Mueller you said I think the most endearing quality of rags is that he has no filter and will say what is on his mind I'm not sure I've said that's your most endearing quality it's definitely a strong one it is one of it is one of my most endearing qualities I have many most endearing qualities that is certainly one of them certainly among it's up there I have very much appreciate your own qualities I have many most qualities but yeah I stand by that I appreciate that rags will say exactly what's on his mind as opposed to hiding it from people because it's unpopular I think it's pretty neat um I try to do that I feel like a lot of us do and let's see um most people would just call someone like that an asshole well that's pretty naive of you that's very that's very naive that is that's incredibly naive the ideas and it's like could people lie yeah but yeah I think if you think that I have no like obviously I'm filtered to some degree yeah just not much of a degree um let's see there are so many examples where the entire crew is far more insensitive to people more than cosmonaut is about fictional characters well cosmonaut was talking about a real person but yeah well with Will Smith he was but even if he was talking about bro it's not about Bruce Wayne it's about his position it's about his yes it's about yeah if you say things about fictional characters it can say a lot of because fictional characters tend to have attributes of real people and like I don't know about you guys but I love it when someone's like I'm making a big point they have one example and it's bad yeah and so like we gotta spend this whole time listening to arguments that just don't they sit on a faulty foundation by really shitty exactly uh yeah it it's and it makes you wonder the people who say those sorts of things about fictional characters and those traits that fictional characters have are real what happens when those people meet real people with those traits is like you know it's never been about this thing yeah it's never about the well-being of fictional characters it's about what you're saying is applicable to real life and how immoral that would be yeah let's see um Fringy is let's see yeah Fringy is probably the most down to earth approachable and morally aware person that oh like socially aware morally aware person enters that panel from stand-in groups to guests they all act in bizarre and questionable ways so rip every person who's been on eFab except Fringy oh well then go for it yourself yeah that definitely is what it was it feels so weird it's like oh yeah no Fringy you're all right it's like you've been you do realize that you'd be like shitting on people who I like right you're the good one you're the good one what exactly is the house guest this reminds me I was talking to Mueller earlier about this where I this happened a couple months ago uh where there's a reddit post and they were saying everybody in eFab is an asshole except for Fringy and Chad and just like why do they get a pass I don't think that I don't like no offense I think you're a really nice person for me but I don't think you've been exceptionally less critical than anyone else that like well you're pretty much you you get people shit even in the comments when they're wrong so yeah yeah I don't know I don't know why I've been singled out as that's it's interesting that's all but again I I don't know it's like it I like you've been like consistently shitting on people who I like so that's like this fucking worthless you know it's it's like praise especially when like I disagree with all these things that we've had leading up to this point my brain is still slow don't worry I'll catch up it's all right six o'clock for you or something like that isn't really really early oh yeah so they say my favorite example of Mueller being delusional is during the resident evil village content delusional yeah we fucking go let's see resident evil village all right how many bullets should it take to kill the undead bio weapon zombie rags chat question when rags said gun should be more effective I respond I don't know how many stupid questions from morons do I have to answer and I'd say it again yeah so uh to pause there right what's happening and this can be I do as well the rags has detected bad faith and that's why he responded that way which is why I completely understand this happened um technically speaking yesterday I you know after all the praise for you just go I'm allowed to do this now so uh this was this was a detection on my part I'm not saying it's true but you could tell that I if you remember we watched in final destination and um uh at the end of the first movie when they think they've defeated death I think they say like oh they can like live normally now or something or they can assume that death isn't like hunting them down or whatever and I think you said like well what what difference does that even make is what is death right and I think the point you were trying to make was just that uh you could still die in any way shape or form and I could still have been death right uh I was more talking about the what does the story from the from the broad perspective of the story like what what what exactly or I guess yeah I was talking about what will the characters take away from uh like how will they interpret that yeah meanwhile I just immediately thought what you were saying was like there's not a meaningful difference in the fact that they've stopped being actively hunted by the wind and all crazy things happening all the time and I was like of obviously there's a significant difference here and like um it was almost like it was registered to me in a way that was just like how could you possibly like why are you saying this you know exactly what I think it was YMS was saying it and I was like you know what is being referred to when you say like things are meaningfully different now especially it's been six months without any crazy ruby goglu contraptions trying to kill people yeah um and that's the thing um that this can happen and what what rags are saying is like my guns are anemic and then someone goes oh yeah rags well how many bullets should it take to kill a bio weapon it's just like how long is the piece of string fuck you like why are you saying that all you need is you can accept the fact that rags are saying the guns are anemic that is like yeah uh we have a basic understanding for like if you take you know if I had to shoot 10 000 bullets at the death star at the end of a star wars game I'd be like this is fucking lame and then someone says yeah well how many bullets should it take it's like you're ignoring my point obviously so like why even bother so I remember the context too this is all within the context of rags liked the the feel and the ttk of re4 and he felt that re8 the enemies were too spongy and that was the theme of the conversation for about four hours so that's exactly like it was very obvious of where everybody stood some people disagreed some people agreed continue so moving on um stronger guns and less ammo with something I can agree on moller skip to super chat catch up reviewing a reddit post by the way yeah um I don't want to sit there having to shoot a normal enemy eight times in the head with my 1911 I'd rather it take yeah fuck that that's shit it's super unfun um let me see uh these uh rag skip to super chat catch up reviewing a reddit post rags was really toxic to someone who just asked a question in response to his criticism moller didn't act like this reddit comment go back and watch that moment I was just as toxic as rags was says moller he was not he literally imagined himself being as toxic as rag simply because they are friends so what I meant by that is I agreed with rags as I just agreed with him right I believe you're being bad faith if you ignore rags's point and instead go oh yeah how much bullets should a baddie take um I didn't say it the exact same way as him but my point is I agree with him so I'm just as toxic which is true um and I get annoyed that rags gets a lot of shit for things that I do too and then I get like removed from the equation so it's not something I imagined I agree with him I just agreed with him it's true I agree with him we have this kind of self we have this kind of self delusion from someone so focused on psychologists again yeah they're all over the place experts I can't there must not be jobs for psychologists out in the real world they're just it's an it was a saturated markets an oversaturated it's a saturated market so you give it for free on reddit posts yeah we could save ourselves a lot of money here yeah just go to reddit your meds will help issues get you the treatment of care you need this kind of self delusion from someone so focused on character consistency is hilarious Mahler as a person is as inconsistent as they come and will rewrite reality even to make himself the bad guy for the sake of a friend noble still very weird noble but weird I think I sound like some fiction obsessed fucking loser but I like I incorporate my film criticism into my day-to-day life with my friend it's so fucking bizarre that's the idea that uh like the Mahler is up is like a goblin in a cave who starts twisting around and like re rewriting his own DNA a little bit different well hey it's noble it's just weird it's it's noble but weird to watch this goblin in the cave you know what's funny about this is it highlights what's becoming something that we've been noticing uh certainly me and Fringy right about like criticisms that come up for different things where uh people can't understand humans and so they assume it's like a inconsistency instead of like trying to rationalize it in any way that can make sense they choose inconsistency like they've completely ignored that I agreed with everything rags said and have concluded instead that I rewrite reality for the sake of my friend like what it's all live people can hear everything that's happening exactly so first of all rewatch the actual content and maybe go into it a little bit more like asking a bit much a little less with a conclusion in mind that you want to reach I lost a second point but let's let's continue it's funny as well because I was just gonna say that uh the idea that you know this is all definitely the truth and they've got one example that's broken again and they've concluded this huge criticism of my character it's like wow what a great case you've made did someone did someone say rags really is an angry little muppet most of the time but you spelled rags r-h-a-g-s so it wouldn't highlight for me in the chat angry little muppet okay uh moving on I'm not stating a definite just asking because the new e-faps don't feel right you are probably just getting tired of them acting like a club of who can be more insulting can you believe that something they said after the call in sand as efeb we did recently yeah that is very strange we got along quite well with colin uh and when you compare that to uh twin perfects behavior and how we treated him it should be pretty clear night and day clear how the way that you act and the things that you say determines the response that you get from us and can I just say he's like you're probably tired of them being just so insulting after saying every single person on e-fap except fringy acts in bizarre and questionable ways related to morality um it's sad how often e-fap is cruel ass-holish hypocritical judgmental more delusional on top of all of that it's like thanks for all of these really hard character criticisms this this man not insulting at all by the way that's just that he's just being like objective he's just describing how things are we're the ones that are very insulting you see he says this could just be me considering my anemia is getting worse i've been having trouble understanding things lately don't know the connection but wish you the best well that's a friendly ending that's nice we'll bow to wrap that up in so yeah um what a fucking insane comment uh and and like this is all coming so that was just one we'll just check out a few quick ones now um to give you an idea of how people are feeling about this whole post scenario that we've already been through is complete bullshit um gotta i feel your pain on a spiritual level feels bad man 73 points this is about the main post by the way jesus christ i feel like again instead of feeling pain on spiritual levels you should do some objective research to see what you're being told is true just look at the meme and check that's all you had to do that's a meme it can't be untrue in any way i mean it's a meme memes are always true um and then you go for what it's worth because remember i actually continue all i was gonna say so what is worth okay no go go go go what is worth they probably forgot about it and now is the chance to make a new first impression it's like we didn't have any issue none of us had any issue there was no issue no there was no problem you've invented a problem yeah so so we had no issue with the person who commented about the misanthropony stuff yeah that stuff blindsided us this stupid fucking anime meme and that dumb long post came out of nowhere as far as we're concerned and you're also sidenote i think people can make some pretty huge mistakes about something someone they've been talking about for seven plus hours i wouldn't blow rags potential distaste field of proportion he tends to judge people harshly anyway uh-huh it just it's like this weird sort of like you'll be fine don't worry i was like watch the fucking reference damn and then you you go up damn bro i'm sorry but it could be worse you could be mike from rlm getting shadowed by his childhood idol captain kirk himself it's like these scenarios not even the same at all they don't even they don't even approach what it was not even i guess it's really like and and here's the thing it's really easy to think that's the case if you read the meme and assume that it's true like i was just reading these like what the hell's happening you go oof times one thousand damn dude i read your superchats you posted it was kind of excited for the invite too it's like what we said it'd be fine why did you not listen to what we said it was so it was so normal we've said many times since earlier e-faps we'll sort it out eventually we'll have misanthropony on many times many times we've never said anything against having him beyond like not a single time he was just talking about how we will i rewrite reality it's like i'm getting a vibe here just a little bit yeah because remember all that happened was you read you don't need to talk about the show as you do to which we just said well we don't know anything about the show so you weren't and earlier on we said that we would potentially have him on exactly and so like what so so that's that's what happened and that's been spun into like all this and specifically one of the one of the comments you read out they said and talk about MLP and you repeatedly all said that you had no interest in MLP you said it didn't say it was a bad show just that you know there's no shit there's no shit storm and there's no negativity it's literally just like it's probably the same thing would happen if they said we really want to break down fucking i don't know er we'd be like i not the person the show but i'd be like i've not seen er i don't know a lot about medicine really so i don't know that would and i imagine everybody here would be like yeah i'm not really i don't know anything about er it's like yeah there you go no that but it's a show with many many years of history and a lot of extreme extreme emotions both positive and negative toward it so it's not something you just want to dip your toes exactly and you're watching your research but one of the things i think that is kind of behind this and you know it's my turn of being a backseat psychologist but i get the idea from that initial the the little anime beam there that the beginning um this parasocial relationship issue there where this person's obviously watched eFAP i'm assuming for hours and hours and hours if they watched at least one episode so they have a lot of emotional attachment to the cast you know they they they know a lot more about um the discussions and the cast than the cast knows about them and now that they've invested i guess was 100 euros into a super chat they now feel that they their relationship is very strong and that their understanding is much more strong with the people on the show than the people the people on the show know nothing about this person so they feel it's like some sort of weird relationship betrayal that their comment was you know slightly dismissed or they're like okay that's fine we'll talk about that later and kind of like just put to put to bed without any series just like discussion and i think i see that as a problem because that that meme is extremely like look what they've done to me and yeah it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't you you you got a super chat you thanked him for the super chat you answered the question hey maybe we'll get the person sometime but i don't really have much of an interest in mlp and that was it that was it yeah that's i guess that's why i don't understand why read so negatively into that that's a good meme we have we have plenty of we have plenty of things coming in that's a good baby um and you guys work so fast yeah they are pretty fast i saw that i don't know if you have this one in the selection i might be jumping the gun well wait yeah i've got we've got other three so hang on because this one i really wanted to do next you know hey rags you want to read this one out oh i would love to read this one out all right that was one what does rpg haven't have to say he says i hate when podcasters misread shit and move on wouldn't you at least reread everything once in your head to make sure you understood it now understand what you're asking well wait before before that do you know what miss reading means it means i thought i read it correctly yes yes so you're asking me how would you reread it how would i know yeah and then it's like well the solution is you simply read everything twice like we are very behind super chat catch up right now well it took us 25 hours to get through 150s superjads i don't know this is he didn't misread anything so there's that no i well i did miss when i i mess read i put it i took out the you don't have to i said you have to i took out the don't by accident but again oh you yeah yeah i said the the comments are said i agree you have to watch you have to talk about mlp with them when what they actually said is you don't have to talk about mlp with them it made no fucking difference at all we just said yeah we're not too interested in mlp yeah that doesn't make a difference like what the if anything you got a longer answer than you would have gotten because we would have just said uh-huh i i i also saw someone someone replied it was late in the stream for them and this happened sometimes but it wouldn't hurt yeah it would like rereading everything twice and rereading it like that's twice the time it wouldn't hurt do you know how out of our way if we try to go to make sure that we read every single super chat i think i can't believe i'm getting this shit what i like again late past nine hours or whatever and it's like i misread one word and it's like wow this is fucking unacceptable off yeah like fucking i hate when podcast is misread shit after nine hours and don't even say anything that harsh yeah we give up i saw this reading a third of our entire wednesdays to do these super chat catch ups just to be clear they can go for a bit more well yeah i hate to uh pull this sort of stuff on it but it's just like you understand we're doing everything we can to get through all of these and make sure every one of them is red but now we're getting punished for it for some reason after nine hours and then because of that it's like wow these fucking assholes they just i feel your pain when people shit on you even though they didn't because i didn't check like you couldn't check the time stamp you couldn't just check the time stamp to see if he was actually what he said was true but then when like more or misreads one word after nine hours spins off into this actually was 8.73 hours i don't know like like all kinds of things that happen with super chats uh they can glitch out and i don't see them they can be ones i accidentally don't read because i just accidentally don't see it it could be ones that i miss the words in it could be ones that we don't understand what you meant and unfortunately we can't answer it any of these things can happen and i i don't know if we need this disclaimer but if you send a super chat you have to be ready for any of these results because it can happen you i'm sorry you guys are getting paid to read comments how much of a sacrifice is wednesday have you getting paid for it you know like we try to respond to like every question and actually spin them off into conversations if possible right like there's a lot less we could be doing there's a lot less we could be doing we could be like ah no we missed i'm sorry thanks for the money uh so it was like that's a post on the reddit saying give up like like just just let them go cut your losses just move on with the new ones they're that that definitely happens and there'll be people who like don't want us to spend that much time so like people get mad when it's like alright we've watched like a whole video there's four hours now let's talk about super chats it's like no keep watching the videos like that happens exactly and again and then the viewership increases when we start doing the the super chats but we still do it anyway absolutely that much much less people watch the super chat catch ups the thing is because like we put in the same amount of time as a normal e-fap and even even with all of this it's not like if everyone started to hate it like everyone in the community still gonna fucking do it because it's not about the consequences of it yeah it's it's we're doing this because it's the right thing to do as far as we're considered so it's gonna keep happening it's just bizarre that we're getting like how that's being rewarded look at how that is be rewarded well yeah you know I don't know who else does that I don't know who else does they have they go back to all of the super chats and the ones they couldn't read and they take a lot of time and do dedicated things just to read them not to mention having three people listening to them responding to them which means it's just gonna take longer and longer and longer but it takes as long as it takes is the principle no I've watched several podcasts where they'll just say you know they read out the super chat and oh yeah thanks yeah I'll think about that and that's it you know it might have been like $20 super chat and they get an acknowledgement that's it I don't know of any other podcasts that specifically carves out time to make sure to respond to every single super chat I mean granted a lot of people do it in real time therefore they get short answers yeah but I think people you know coming from first-hand experience I think people misunderstand just how much moving parts especially in a really deep conversation how many moving parts there is to run us a podcast I started podcast a couple years ago in my first episode I was so caught up with doing I was doing a ranking kind of actually inspired by your game and thrones ranking on eFAP actually I was doing a ranking thing I was managing people's expectations there's four people in the call and I was so caught up on that that I wasn't even reading comments I missed a few super chats like that's that can happen if you're if you're in the back you know grabbing images responding to comments things like that you can totally miss things so the fact that you go back and make sure you you catch everything and and respond to these these super chats is is pretty commendable you might not be the answers people wanted but that goes with the risk you're supporting the you're supporting the podcast but you may not get the right answer the the answer that you're looking for that just kind of comes with the territory um and a lot of people mentioned it's like yeah a lot of the friday night tights people I think gary always squares them up and then drinkable do it for open bar and adam and sitch do it adam and sitch are probably the closest to what I'm talking about which is where it doesn't matter how much money is given it's about whatever the question brings in terms of whatever answer you want to to give and the fact that they have the two the two will be there for the super chats right because the thing is if I did and I could have done this I could have said right for me like don't worry about it I will always catch them up I'll do a wednesday stream on my own and I'll just go through them and then I also read them and went yeah or no or thank you and just move on to the next one next one like we wouldn't be behind you know why it would be behind at all and and that's the thing we're not talking about like what is the most ethical or anything it's just it's really strange to do it what in what I think is probably the most ethical way and then like we're getting shit on it because I misread a word it's like it fuck it out um and yeah I guess that that kind of this caps it off as the the the original poster after seeing all of these comments was like I usually don't give supers and never watch the commercials in their vids this was a super to show my support for the last two years but I stay away from soups the supers from now on oh well that's totally fine um that's your choice I apologize I missed you get it for that yeah and again like I just don't get it it's like yes I misread a word but like it changed nothing so yeah yeah um and like I said uh it's it's you know the this is about a lot of components right now I hate the fact this got 220 upvotes in under a day that's bullshit um pretty disappointing what the hell is going on with the reddit again it was it was like three months ago that we did one of these was just like to quote my favorite hero of all time do better this is unacceptable all this butter because this thing is if we don't do a section like this it festers people remember this is that time where they fucked up and it'll just be referenced forever again the fucking comments are in this one try to reference the re8 stuff as if he's still at a point he doesn't we destroyed all of that some of the embarrassing criticisms again um you know I don't know what else it's just fucking annoying um and again if someone's like well so what's the significance of the 220 it's just like the the posts on that side where they usually get it like an average of between like 50 and 100 I think so yeah so this seems to be a a position that a decent number of people are like that is reasonable and correct yes and if you voted they didn't acknowledge you and that was they were they were clumsy to you like even though I didn't check the timestamps to see what they actually said or if you did then I'm not sure how you could possibly like reasonably walk away from that going like wow how unreasonable they misread a word and then said that they're not interested in or that they can't talk about a specific show because of it yeah just uh really frustrating to just be like like I said it was between recordings having time while I was watching some final destination reacting to it and then I was just like ah a thread about how awful we are because I misread a word okay the whole community is like this is true yeah and it's just so sad you know they're like somebody said what a bunch of arseholes it's like misreading a word and then responding earnestly through that misreading like what what are you what are we supposed to do I guess aside from like you not make a simple error like what what else can we have done so yeah that's that uh fun really fun um like I said at the beginning of this it's uh it was an audit for EFAP from the audience that is now reversed as it often does into EFAP auditing the audience not acceptable not cool and uh I hate that because like it always comes up it's just like yeah they're not so good with criticism I just feel like it's just just grab a mirror every once in a while whenever you start making this statement okay yeah um you know and and this is the thing I'm gonna do it for this important to mention lots of great little users on uh on reddit you know in and among the hordes um well there's hordes among hordes you know and and the people who manage it they're all fantastic there's no I wouldn't want the mods and the creator to be like right it's time to nuke any threads that are critical if they're not 100% accurate it's like no no no I just wish fucking wish the people because there were people in that thread you can find them who were like well you know it's not quite as bad as you're making it sound like if you watch it it's not that it's not that bad it's like thank fuck there are still some people have right well yeah because the truth is that nothing fucking happened it was totally chill um and so like I don't know what else to do other than try and prevent the festering and just compel everyone in reddit to do fucking better because at least I don't know go ahead sorry I've just noticed because the the commenter who made the meme said like in all caps don't take this too seriously I'm not sure what the context is for that but like don't take that too seriously the fact that this got spun off into all this like the I guess that's what I mean is like you said this and then it like what did you think people how did you think people are going to respond to this do you think people would be like ah funny meme anyway moving on don't take this too seriously I'm never giving them money ever again what were you fishing for you keep saying like the meme but what were you fishing for when you posted it because of course you were looking for a reaction because you post on the internet so like you wanted some kind of response what did you think was going to happen yeah it's just a lightning rod for loads of comments to say how like yeah which by the way really kind comment section for some of the stuff being said I was just surprised yeah I don't know what to say it's like you made a bad meme and you lied so I don't know what to say I don't know I don't know how seriously that's supposed to be taken well so there it's either that or there are comments talking about like social anxiety and the whole parasocial stuff and that people literally can like hear a thing like say for example they're like well you should check out um fucking instella and then I go I fucking hate instella and then we move on they could be like oh my god I just recommended something to him that he hates Jesus Christ it's just like what thank you fine don't worry about and like people and so at that point I would just like you know if you're that tied up in the um the the the idea that we could say something like that and it can make you have trouble eating and sleeping and stuff it's just like gotta gotta take a break maybe you gotta not be in these environments um because this it just reminds me of like twitter users where they explode and their whole life is ruined because several people like you're wrong about that opinion you have it's like you got to be ready to be able to take that sort of stuff if you're posting to the entire world it ain't it ain't easy like it ain't easy to deal with that it's a different context but uh reminds me of that line from the street fighter movie with mbison where you know to you me at the day mbison uh you know destroyed your village was the most important moment in your life for me it was tuesday like not not that like oh my god i'm a i'm a content creator i'm so special but just like realize that in the context of their life this is a completely trivial event so don't let it define you to them and this is not this is not a huge deal not a big event they'll probably forget it in a week so you should realize that your investment in things may not be the same as theirs there's dramatic irony here the if i don't i at the beginning of this i asked i think rags just do you does there's any of this recognizable with pieces of information it's like absolutely not but it's like is it now is the person who did all this now something that probably bothers you it's like yeah fuck this guy exactly uh and so if their only goal was to try and ease stuff up because they said that the messages were sent to reduce the shit storm and like mola made it all worse i just like congratulations i have a logic there um yeah i guess there's not much more to say on that one um no i'm so glad that a little bow we got to have jay log ready to go a bell along to see all of that let's just top dodge fun times on e-fat i mean i was there for the other one as well so oh yeah that's right i'm just trying to be less and more from now on like i'm not gonna i don't know to help call people slurs on my streams and tell them to kill themselves or whatever i don't know i just need to figure out what is immoral that i'm saying that's that's probably the worst part of it about it's like okay they kind of they kind of glossed over the whole morally aware thing i just sort of said it yeah fringies the most morally aware moving on yeah i'm assuming that just comes from the fact that a lot of conversations can rise from just statements get made and then for you to be like oh yeah is that true but i feel like we all do that i don't understand why fringies get on this i definitely don't think that's yeah that's just me um and i feel like because i think we've said this before but uh we it's worth repeating it's like the whole like quote and it's like they told them to kill people to kill themselves as jokes it's like yeah we've made our position clear on that several times sure how we will never want anyone to kill themselves as a result of liking a piece of media it's a joke it's an absurd joke it's supposed to be funny because what an absurd thing to say to somebody who likes media like that's it's the joke you're you're german everything you do is a moral okay got me there automatic loss also two people told me to call it was lurs um so uh rags help me out yeah how do i segue into black widow from here black widow so they were going to come out getting back to the roots of what we do any fap we're covering media that's what you're all here for to watch what we wanted to do yeah yeah so sometimes you gotta you gotta slap down like the uh these bad arguments and bad sentiment that just rises up so that slapped away let's talk about movies yeah i genuinely believe that it it can only get worse if it's never addressed sort of thing so i think so yeah because yeah this kind of stuff because you mentioned earlier like oh bad at taking criticism it's like yeah when i think the criticism is incorrect yes like i don't like that well it um i think yms has had his arc for that because for reference why am i actually was there when this first was being talked about when we were doing stuff last night and he was like it's good to keep in mind that people on reddit will literally upvote stuff just to see what happens next not because they agree with it and i was just like that's awful that he was like yeah yeah yeah let's just urshade i guess yeah because he's it's weird he's had like a whole blowout with his subreddit as well uh reddit man it's a it's a complicated beast i have loads of fun on there in terms of just kind of being spread around but the mindset for lack of a better term like sometimes i prefer twitter do you understand how insulting that is reddit of discord is talking about i remember um i don't remember the exact subreddit names but when total biscuit was still around uh he had it the main most popular uh subreddit was um i think cynical bread or might have been total biscuit or whatever but they was unofficial and then he created an official one as a sister subreddit and the the unofficial one was moderated by fans and the official one was moderated by the actual uh team i think it possibly his wife so uh it was very very different tones so you you can definitely like communities can kind of run wild and one was generally that none neither of them hated him because obviously they continue to watch his work but one of them was a lot more critical picked apart a lot more things whereas one was generally just i like this video i really like this game things like that so it's an interesting thing it's a community is really a living organism and and it doesn't take too much to turn on the topic they're they're uh excited or enthusiastic about it's it's very interesting um i'm just gonna say this one in chat just said this and like it's what the fuck okay so you guys are not bringing in er so that there is no bad jokes being made in this new less toxic e-fab hypocrites not bring so he has disappeared i don't know he has disappeared like we we'd have him on e-fab as many times as he wants to he's he's just not around right now um doesn't he stop making videos and that's what he said i'm confused he's always saying it's a joke okay because i was just going to clarify like we just said that we would do jokes like to be fair we can get pretty edgy sometimes for jokes okay but um yeah worth clarifying um for this for just anybody yeah i don't know where er is right now and i don't think he's made a video for a while he's on hiatus apparently so but um as soon as he's back we'll grab him right up and talk to him about anything why are you sure we'll answer the question no the fuck okay so what was actually we're gonna talk about today uh we'll try to do this part quick but i'm assuming have you guys heard about the the deleted scenes for Black Widow yeah i've seen a few of them no i don't think i have or i have forgotten so it made the film totally better 100 uh i'll leave you uh to go i'll try and go through them relatively quickly and then i can just give i can't show the clips because uh get a little copyright assuming they would delete scenes have they have copyright attached to them right uh music music yes if it's uh they has this we specifically uploaded the content idea for it to come up and copyright but you might want to just pause just in case um the first one was probably would be good to play it safe well i'm not going to talk about all of them just the ones that have something interesting about them to say the first one is a show in her in the supermarket before taskmaster has attacked her like and everything and just confirming she really does just shop casually while the radio is talking about her to this like click fucking just adds another instance of that happening all over the movie yes so clever because this uh we saw her putting groceries into a a car and i was like i remember looking at it being like i guess i can't criticize her for doing things i haven't seen her do necessarily so i don't know exactly what she did when buying them but yeah that's just confirmation um i told rags about this i know for any obviously knows about it um this got cut but if you remember when lexie falls after being electrocuted in the prison um it then cuts to him like he's got a i think a bit of blood in his mouth and he's looking at um the helicopter and he's like natasha something that that turns out there's a whole scene that got cut out there where a bunch of people come out and beat him up um people that obviously don't like him from the prison i think the big guy is one of them and lucky for us we get an awesome slo-mo shot of him getting kicked in the balls uh making me more of a joke yeah i'm glad that got cut yeah and i saw this uh posted on the subreddit actually with the title the one thing that would have made it slot perfectly into phase four it's like yeah i guess so yeah jesus christ isn't that a contract to to be in a any movie now as a man to get kicked in he had to must he must be able to be kicked in the balls at some point in the movie and that happened in uh lofi as well repeatedly i and i happen in endgame yeah it's like a seriously just a joke like you'd be like oh is one of the delete scenes have got kicked in the balls he's like yeah yeah i started wondering like why did they cut it this seems right up the kind of thing they want to do yeah it is odd maybe they ran out of time maybe they realized they'd made fun of the character enough at this point so maybe even they realized that yeah he's gone too far um another deleted scene is good ol mason the guy who's been providing stuff to to nat is captured um by ross which i thought was like whoa that's gonna fuck with the whole storyline completely isn't it um and it actually did something that i kind of forgot to really say anything about but um in this scene uh they not only find mason but they find a phone that's left behind by uh nat in order for ross to find her at the red room and it's like if you remember in the film yeah in the film they just say like oh he'll i'll activate my thing and ross will find me and i remember in the video just being like i guess she'll activate a thing i don't i don't even know whatever yeah but um yeah they cut a scene where she actually like made that thing explain why ross actually managed to get there like in the time yeah or at least more more so it would make more sense that he got there but then how did they explain how the dealer gets out and provides her with it so that that's a big problem that's probably that's a i've imagined that's reshoots now um oh yeah maybe they had a scene to explain how he escapes ross too i don't know because of course that scene is like unnecessary because the avengers already had a quinge yet yeah oh you know the secret avengers or whichever one we want to call them um and then the best one the top tier one if you guys think back to the video i played a quote from good ol kate shortland saying she doesn't even know how black widow escaped you can make it up yourself oh yeah it's it's tiring to see your escape again and again like this is just you know so um what we see is ross has got her in a little van uh it's like oh okay i guess she's doomed and then camera zooms right into her doing a doing a sneak she's got a little pin she's got her cuffs on they they just didn't take anything from her they just let her keep all of her gear naturally because that's just in line with the film and then ross just keeps talking and in the span of when we see her to when she does this it's like seven seconds he eventually like turns because she's not saying anything and this is his pov oh well they just they'll just turn the car around and go back yeah i don't know he lost car in the convoy he didn't yeah first of all last car the convoy secondly he didn't hear the van doors opening really i just got really confused because i thought this was a terrorist of some sorts for a second it's like when did he go with his pov it was like oh that's the back of the car i just love his little face in the prior shot he's just like what it's like yeah i know ross i have no fucking clue like she just escaped that easily and i guess yeah they gave up she somehow ran which she could have just done in the first place yeah might as well have but we need to show her how cool she is she broke herself out so they turned around and found her because they have cars so yeah it's kind of funny to have a bunch of delete scenes drop that are all terrible and just confuse everything really like if they were out of there it's like nice good job um she's got like a alice powers from a resident evil apocalypse where she just appeared at the top of building it's just like fast travel no just like she's got alice powers from batwoman she just there she's there or not there like whenever she wants oh yeah and um with mentioning someone in chat said the task master is actually taken by ross not by the black widows yes that's right that was their original intention i guess really okay yeah yeah that was reshoots that other stuff clearly so um i thought it was all incredibly funny uh the film is terrible as you guys know but it's yes that's my way of finally getting us to uh we're gonna cover a video that claims it's brilliant brilliant uh that's quite a leap yeah that's the leaf or my stuck now um it's just too late for you i'm so sorry god damn it i'll just be immoral and you have to kick me i guess i'll you are an awful person hey what i don't know oh it's liz german you can't just say schlongo on a stream you're the biggest schlongo rags oh oh rags is gonna see you i'm gonna see you for defamation as soon as nuts all righty almost got what i'm looking for here okay so um i was curious about this video and then i looked at the comment section and that was a big mistake if you want to give this a read ranks you want to give a look see all right let's take a look here as an mcu fan who watches youtube analyses on the regular and is a reluctant twitter user i think your critique is the most fair and informed one i've seen i think so many of the criticisms the ones made by men in particular i've seen ignore all of the themes yep sub-tech and commentary love your videos by the way fucking men there's fucking men i'm telling you man you could say anything against men it's fire's nasty dirty stinky fucking men testosterone makes in opinions and valid so yeah i was like oh i didn't expect to see sexism right in the top of the thing and i was like i guess i'll scroll down what else is being said check it out rags oh my goodness gracious let's pull this up it pisses me off when people who make commentary videos specifically men speak about female driven movies will remove context from scenes so that their half-baked jokes can work and they can downplay its significance it's possessive definitely has an apostrophe people will complain that mcu movies are all the same but then compare them when they try to do things differently there is a lot of subtext and references to real life issues that is to be are completely ignored because people are so focused on what black widow did wrong rather than what it did right it did everything wrong yeah there wasn't really any i mean the camera was in focus but lies i read that that bit about men in elrond's voice was like which one men men are weak men had their chance i don't know i feel bad not having anyone else or anything fringy do you want to take this one uh all right sure it's very different from the other two you see uh i am oh i run ahead i am glad i have avoided most review videos about the movie after seeing the discourse on twitter i knew far i knew few men on youtube would be able to talk about the movie in a sincere and understanding way i wholeheartedly agree with julia's points she's hearting these by the way yeah well that was what i was gonna say on the first one it's like what what is what is the men thing what what are we doing yeah well so if we do the thing of judging the comment section before like as a result as a result of the content creators like man your people seem to hate men like what the fuck happened um i uh and then um i guess we'll do this would be like the last one just uh oh curious yeah currently trying there it is currently trying to cast a spell to protect you from guys who make 12 hour videos yelling at women with different opinions ha you spell as shit sparklies why are you portraying women as stupid by insisting they cast spells and then she says my worst fear in posting this i need all the spells i could get what i don't know okay rookie or something i just imagine imagine the flip side of this is like oh you're a woman you can't review diet hard yeah that's a man's movie you want to stab what do you know about guns why why are we why are we focusing on gender though like here what what's going on i don't know um all the comments i just showed you a really highly voted many of them are hearted by her or agreed upon by her and they're all like fucking men they can't review black widow it's like you you guys need to stop this is a bad road you're going down oh my god julia cuddney i think i know that name i think she's one of those like cutesy fucking youtubers with no brain oh no um you know let him that'll just drive more people to check out this video it's like that's fine more people can check out my videos you know we i say this for a lot of the ones we've covered more people could check out all kinds of ones make their own opinions it's totally fine you know i'll be helping i guess they're casting most fiery spells against them demons that are us and stuff why did i say this that makes them look like lunatics i know that you got sort of like i guess you never watch the videos so please don't comment when you don't know what you're talking about out of their hundreds of podcasts they only talked about women's videos a few times never yelling and never for 12 hours the video is 12 hours but if you'd seen it you'd know they covered the vid in two they look at movies objectively and try to help you improve your youtube channel please no hate please no please no bully i think that was a mistake what are you doing in this comment section run your rationality is not approved we cast spells here and ironically that that was the video they're referencing is the one where uh jenny is talking about joker right and so ironically you were defending uh creative work made by quote-unquote real people from somebody that's encounters made by a guy yeah right so why is she reviewing it it's it's it's a it's a gamers rise up movie yeah your jenny shouldn't be reviewing joker it's guy movie i'm doing that um so yeah that's that's the preamble the the video is cold has no doubt you're aware black widow is brilliant and uh oh this one yeah and and you know what's a super interesting tidbit about this one is that we were going to cover it soon after that colin sanders um if that we did and what's in common with the one we watched with him and this video is they both go after the closer look i uh i think this is a video where i i messaged the creator i put in a comment on this video i think um essentially i i wish i could find it um just one second man i wish i i don't know where it is but i totally put a comment on this video um i wasn't not showing up for you no i'm looking for it right now they usually filter it to the top when it's your comment as in for you i gotta go to the black widow is brilliant um this video yeah okay so i said like i don't know if you can focus on this oh my god she's one of those chicks that doesn't put any capital letters in her title i know i don't get it and neither in her fucking um just typing either just every capital letter maybe capital it can't do anything with capital in it i guess um can we like see right and oh man that is could be a misogynistic creation i don't know so but yeah fucking hell people type properly jeez it it doesn't take you really any remember like capital capital letters exist for a reason uh please please write with capital letters they weren't invented by men capital letters are for men let me see yeah it takes me longer to type wrong because i just normally type correctly that was your mistake so i asked her i went to the comments of this video i said do you not think that it's horrifically damaging to nat and her sisters as character and her sister as characters effectively assassinating their heroness when they assault and then murder countless prison guards and prisoners with smiles on their faces and no future moments given to reflect on their horrific acts these are unquestionably evil acts committed against the innocent the film displays our heroes doing blatantly does the evil they commit without reflection not make you question any attempt however pathetic this film makes at portraying these characters as empathetic or relatable right so this is julia cuddney's reply more beloved action movies than i can name refrain from diligently considering our action hero's righteousness upon amassing casualties and that actually is a trend i take issue with i do wish black widow's prison escape scene forwent the avalanche but i don't find the film's indifference toward the prisoners unique dorted nor did that part ruin the whole for me so it happens in other stuff brilliant film commentary julia fucking brilliant but also like something you may notice is when you watch like other films especially older films there is actually a lot of consideration given to like trying to save civilians in a lot of our yep and a lot of stories like where they will our heroes will put themselves in precarious situations to like make sure that's because i'm immediately thinking of die hard you remember when john went to the roof and then he started firing in the air to like scare the uh all of the um the civilians to go back downstairs because it was there's that example and like fucking all the superhero films it's constantly you have like the heroes trying to save people like spider-man trying to save people even tries to to help the main villain because he doesn't know who he is it's like oh just stay with me here have a gun and defend yourself like oh shit okay both um avengers movies you got a lot of concern for the civilians during the main battles that's right um it's it's become such a thing that's actually kind of mean like if you remember in the first hellboy movie uh at one point he's about to fight some sort of like cthulhu demon thing and then there's like a little box of kittens and so he actually picks up the box of kittens and tries to save the box of kittens while he's fighting some like other dimensional being it's every every uh filmmaker knows that the way to endure a hero to you is to have them protect the innocent in the week exactly and and make them fight the bad guy you know um and so yeah i just find it fascinating that we can watch all of the like that's a huge scale and it's not even addressed in any way shape or form at least you can say bvc tries to address what happened in man of steel but there's nothing for black widow uh at all so i don't know i just it's it's interesting to me that like it's she said it didn't ruin it for me i'd be like is that not worth introspecting on like why wouldn't that ruin it for you um but the whole thing is that black widow wants to get rid of the red on her name or however they call it exactly it's our ledger thousands of not thousands but hundreds possibly yeah like that should be a problem that you should consider um all righty then you guys ready yes oh very ready to lose real quick i'll be right back wow what can we talk about until he's back with the phone i can't get over how moral things the moral things i can't get over how i were chatting the the deliberate uh the deliberate no no shifts and no capital letters in her writing like under no circumstances do you ever not capitalize i no she's the next fucking ee coming she's that great it's it's uh it's like even see those bottles like was it vitamin water where everything's uncapitalized even the first letter of sentences it reminds me of that just just needless style i guess even her name or youtube channel name doesn't have capital it yeah her name isn't yeah i don't get why people do it i think it's like the uh it's the it's definitely like one of those because that's that's one of those like apple friend like come on oh no wait not apple it's like you know the things where it just has the name in lowercase than a full stop at the end that yeah yeah and yeah i'm not i'm not a fan i like my capital letters um it's style i don't know coming from chanted did the delete scene try to vilify the prisoners justifying their deaths in the avalanche was that its purpose it doesn't fix what they did i i don't know that that would be the case the the guy who kicks him in the bowls is the guy that he broke the hand off so i think it's just trying to say like he's getting some revenge um and even still right like if if someone is beating up somebody does that mean they deserve to be buried under snow it's like i i don't know about that and that's just one out of the many people there oh there was a couple of them but you know and and uh to further back that up the worse you make the prisoners the better you make the guards because these are awful people so you're killing you're either killing horrible prisoners and good guards or you know yeah and it's a disastrous horrible guards whatever all righty then let us begin fine this video is brought to you by squarespace utilize my links squarespace.com slash julia cutney for 10 off of your first purchase of a domain the year is 2014 first winter Olympics in oh god drags wait what did you say nothing it's a clever joke about her her her girth he's a beautiful woman yeah rags loves gith as far as i know i do i'd love me some girth the winter olympics in february in march ellen hosts the oscars and by may kim ye has type an ought they'll last i'm sure august however is the month at issue because in it it's because i guess there's a song called august also in a lower case it's very statistic and so when she said the word august she showed a picture of the song august all right i guess i guess that's i was i guess i was just it's very clever iggy azalea releases the music video for her second biggest hit featuring rita aura black it pays homage to kill bill similarly to how fancies video paid homage to clueless the song itself reminds 16 year old julia of her most hated katie perry song dark horse which makes sense considering what are we doing i think i'm glad that i don't know any of these people this this is all just like okay very very aware of the pop culture singers i guess i'm assuming this is all gonna come to a point i hope it's originally composed by her for prism the more you know anyway i'm kidding with all of this we've gathered here today what oh there wasn't a point ain't all that garbage i didn't get it i know current ear things yeah that's kind of what it comes across as i just know these music things from current ear like okay you look like you do i think she accidentally copied and pasted the wikipedia sources section into the beginning of her video it's like oh yeah that's it august is also a month oh it's also a song oh it's also i'm not like clever to discuss black widow the movie there we go obviously the year is 2016 august sees the summer olympics held in rio april sees my own assets what's going on i'm sure we're almost there she's gonna start talking about the film that he just didn't give me in the pharmacy jesus christ and following the release of captain america civil war may the release of natasha romanoff's first solo mcu installment which fittingly takes place right where civil war left off is that fitting well no it's inside the movie yeah because civil war is still going on yeah the midpoint when this movie begins it's uh black widow begins technically speaking as soon as the airport scene is over um kind of it's it's soon after that after that yeah because ant-man's captured when tony sees him and that's what ross describes so it has to be before that scene um but yeah okay that's fine though the year is 2021 and black widow is finally here do you think if it were set in 2014 as opposed to 16 iggy's black widow would have won out over cheap thrills speaking of i didn't avoid spoiling what's the fun i don't know i don't know stop that shit honestly i got no clue i don't know myself so i did stumble upon some critiques of it before i saw it like cheap thrills plays very awkwardly to help establish that the movie takes place in 2016 the thing is as my own two eyes witnessed the scene in question i found that i disagreed not that the song was meant to reaffirm the timeline but that i'm starting to get a bit like why do you talk this way i don't know i don't know it just feels little video essay but that's fine it's just i found myself to be disagreeing like okay its inclusion was very awkward what i find awkward are needle drops that don't get the year right see recently late 90s stuff in fear street part one 1994 actually one of my least favorite licensed song usages in film history was the mcu's doing just a girl in captain marvel i agree i agree it was really cringe yeah i'm just a girl all right hey there we go now that scene was very awkward the way it violently distracted me from paying attention because i had to ponder performative feminism discover what do you know i'm guessing this like um i'd go ahead actually i was gonna say this reminds me of a lot of purple when uh i think uh prince's manager was telling him about like you need to step your shit up and he says this he says no one understands your fucking material but you you need to you need to you need to stop with his vague this bullshit um yeah okay it's just yeah some of it uh i'm just not 100 familiar exactly with the tubes like performative feminism i'm guessing that's just when you're i'm guessing it's corporate thing yeah because you're showing the scene whether we're walking it's like ah see women it's like well yeah it's like it's not actual like it's not making any progress anyway it's not it's not and potentially that it's like not even what the peak like like this scene here it's like oh look at all these characters only one of them got a movie maybe there's that as well yeah like as a woman of it makes a hero buy heros at your local grocer look whatever my stance is that cheap thrills plays momentarily ambiently diagetically quietly through natash's car radio to drive home how unexpectedly she's attacked it's funny i didn't even i guess i didn't even know the song so yeah um but wait so what was the point of that song shouldn't be playing radio or was it that song should be playing but it's just cheap should be playing yeah yeah right yeah yeah oh this scene it's so funny it's so funny it's like tass mask or heard that shit is like just shut it off it's shitty music i heard that song don't make this more miserable than it has to be weird connection but in my opinion it's accomplishing what vampire academy tried to oh god what what you just watched girl things hey fan fire category looks pretty sexy rags maybe it's just for you maybe is it bad that they're sexy or is it good that they're sexy uh that's i've never known the answer to that i think it's good i think it's good too i think it's fine with it but you never know all right she thinks this garbage oh she thinks it's terribly yeah it's terrible that opening actually does give you a pretty good idea of how quick this movie will just switch tones on you live fast uh young bad girls do it well car crash i suppose i do find m i a's appearance in vampire academy awkward enough though that i must understand why at least 269 twitter users find sia's admittedly similar man you are we just bleeding time what do we talk about the film we can do this i'm sure of it i get a preamble but we're running out of time here yeah do we have a second video i don't bring this disagreement up because it's super important to me that nobody questions cheap thrills usage in black widow but because it exemplifies how i'm experiencing the discourse i'm seeing all of these critiques and my reactions vary from i'm not sure about that to uh wrong okay excellent all right so let's talk about it my guess we're almost there i'm i'm getting i'm getting pink overload pink wall just pink chair put like a fuzzy outfit pink candle pink face yeah i guess that's yeah there's a lot of very getting a lot i'm getting pink overload here is this what are you talking about did we watch the same movie i guess if you call it brilliant no but um no yeah black widow is brilliant you're fucking insane and you're terrible at your job but i'm well you haven't heard arguments yet rags it could be amazing could be you know what i'm no i'm this i'm a risk taker that's what i'm doing i'm a gambling dog a risk taker that's what i'm doing i'm gonna take the risk judging from her saying hey other movies of shit too so it's fine that this what is not really expecting a lot but who knows yeah this isn't this is just a gamble gamble this is this is a game of chance right there's a skill component to this and that's what i just said more of a salmon type color that color than the necessarily pink we're going really specific yeah it's if we're going more specifically it is more like a lighter more more toned down it's not like an electric pink or something like that is more of a salmon it is more um more of a what what is uh just second it's more like so top is brown maybe i'm thinking of mauve no mauve it no mauve is more purple um yeah salmon's pretty spot on uh i'd say salmon's pretty close yeah i'm i'm going here and i'm looking we have carnation and lavender there's also some amaranth in here i think the darkest that gets is punch right though there are the shadows make it a more thulian uh and we definitely have flamingo and there as well some accents along the border lines but that that's all right it's all pinkish really yes i can't call this video a defense of black widow because it hasn't exactly been critically panned but shocking that it's at 92 percent people will fucking eat horror horror but like why would you go by that instead of by what she just said which was she's seen a lot of criticisms that are not good she's defending it from them is what all you have to say like yeah the audience the masses aided up that's fine but so that as they did for many films you've probably said it terrible so i don't know that it matters but on youtube and twitter oh critical drinker i feel rather unsupported in my belief that it slots easily into the mcu's top five my my gamble is is starting to pan out well i mean i think i'm go where do we rank it it's like it's almost the bottom right one of the worst bottom five easily bottom five um pretty bad what is our bottom five i guess do we have an official black panther's in there yeah captain marvel's in there i'm in three marvel iron man three black and game i think is end game yeah that's probably the bottom five without yeah to be fair if we do an mcu walk that will probably change maybe i don't know might it very well might yeah it very well might yes i must break my sacred vow never to speak of marvel dc or star wars on behalf of all those who agree with me yes in part because i think it's important more women have their say about this one specifically if it's not a long one you gotta talk about black widow because we need more women's cases well i have a story about that uh me and a friend started watching it as a laugh it was at 2 a.m and it was so fucking boring and so bad that i we had we both had a fucking headache and we were both upset and we didn't even say goodbye to each other when we ended this court call no that's how bad it was but you're a woman what the fuck like you screwing this up my fallopian's are saying fuck you to this movie which is uh remember was it patrick willams that said he doesn't want to see a white guy's opinion of black panther or something like that like um this shit's really unacceptable it's like it's you can't say that shit for like a like mainstream franchise is like marvel movies you can't you cannot that shit doesn't work no these movies are apparently made for everybody it's like we need to have more women speak about black widow like as if that'll prevent it from being criticized like what are you saying that's that it's uh what's your name from uh captain marvel's argument thing that's like i don't want to hear what a 44-year-old white guy's opinion is of uh wrinkle in time or something like that oh yeah it's like patrick willams said something like that yeah um but at least making a youtube video is more powerful than casting a spell wait magic isn't isn't that effective what the fuck you know i don't think i think it could make you feel but i think it can trick you into a false sense of confidence so it might be more damaging to cast a spell than it is to do nothing one thing that she could use as a spell check and catch all over the uncapitalized words in her writing yeah she could use this the spell check spell well yeah because it's annoying me that because black widow that's a that's a proper noun yeah not anymore she doesn't know i don't know hitting the shift key every once in a while is an unnecessary and also i just noticed this as no doubt you are aware isn't it as you no doubts are aware she says no doubt you are aware as no doubt you are aware no doubt as you're aware yeah yeah you're correct no doubt as you're aware yeah that sounds a lot better i can't confirm i don't know if that's i don't know i'm just trying to fit because if you say as you no doubt are aware if you want it to be super safe you could put a comma and then no doubt she's upset right a different title as you are doubtless aware would be that's as you no doubt are aware yeah as no doubt you are aware yeah it's wrong the sequence is wrong there um i don't mean to like get on like you know right this is this is the more complicated like english syntax stuff i'm pretty sure i don't have an answer for this i don't know i think it's just i think it's fine i'm just trying to fit well the thing is you can have sentences that are fine like that are grammatically fine but you might want to just change them around because they sound a little awkward i mean that might depend on your inflection when you say it it it it does probably because it's like as as no doubt you are aware yeah black as no doubt you are aware black widow is brilliant as no doubt you are aware so that's your name no doubt if you replace no doubt with undoubtedly it makes a lot more sense that this is not right where you put it like as you undoubtedly yeah yeah as doubtless you are no as doubtless you are aware would work that's a as you undoubtedly are aware yeah it doesn't it you can't put the i don't i don't know the terms of grammar but you gotta put the subject or probably you're wrong in this case but you is like the subject you gotta put the subject before as you undoubtedly are aware i'll finish reading elements of style i get oh god i read that book it's rough there's also even worse is the chicago manual style i hate that book what you don't you don't like the that book well it's a good it's a good book it's just very actually no elements of style is really good chicago is is very a lot more a lot bigger a lot more technical but elements of style is pretty good yeah i really like elements of style it was uh yeah because because again that book would be like well as no doubt you are aware it's like that's a lot of words for just saying as you're aware yeah you you you've turned three words into six um as you know exactly uh short and simplification yeah and this unfortunately like i don't mean to you know character attack or whatever but it just i really get really strong i'm very smart vibes wow she emphasizes like as part of this video i will be talking about various things and she puts a lot of emphasis on all of our teas she doesn't use any contractions that i can tell her desire to make sure every word is properly pronounced is um fucking with her flow i think um yeah which is interesting because a lot of the time the issues that happen with speech is that you aren't enunciating enough yeah so then it's hard to tell what you're saying it's almost so uh accentuated that you can't even really understand what she's meaning to say you're just gonna get stuck on every word especially when she pronounces her t's you know as long as you have an audible to it's fine but she's like as this part you know she's very very very uh it's kind of making sure she's speaking clearly which you know admirable i just um it just come it gives me an impression sometimes it's just been like wow you don't sound real unfortunately it sounds like she's so monotone yeah there is that too yeah um not pleasant to listen to and when you pair that with the way that she types it's really doubly strange it is yeah like you're going out of your way to make sure that you don't capitalize anything including your own name like is that some sort of is that some i don't know new style thing that people just don't give a fuck about the way that they type the um i think a couple people already mentioned it's similar to Lindsay Alice's style um that could be the influence uh she has a similar way of speaking as well really i haven't watched her main channel but back when she was in this lawsuit she had a pretty she was much more chill back in those days these days uh she's much more bitter and uh we're going to cover her eventually this i think two videos of hers i really want to do are you fat because they are fascinating well i actually have a lifetime license to pro-writing it so i'm going to put her title into that and tell me and the ai would tell me what's correct it's like a really advanced ai at grammar tool it's usually always right so let me do that oh we're watching the rest of this not a defense let's call it an endorsement that wasn't real who cares don't say that i had no doubt you weren't aware again when it was brand as no down i've seen again the ones where they're like yeah this is the good scene guys this is a great scene it's a meme at this point this is the one everyone references because the only fucking thing in the film really that you can work with um but you know maybe she'll say more than just that i'm not gonna jump ahead please don't say that it was real poor florins pew trying to carry the entire movie with one sentence it really is just like one sentence it must be said that i don't think it's perfect after all i only gave it four out of five i only gave it a four out of five i kind of want to i want people to stop saying i don't agree with everything they say or it's not perfect it's like i would could guess that tell me these things because i would assume not that you agree with everything that any individual says or that you think something perfect it's caveat useless i suppose i do agree with everything they said or and it's perfect yeah to be fair i actually do think it's because obviously the worry i guess is that she wouldn't want someone in a comment section being like what this film isn't perfect because you never explicitly said it was not perfect therefore i assume that's what you think so she can count to that but it's just like i mean yeah she gave it four out of five it ain't perfect when florins pew marries murders jeremy renner that's a review i'm not sure i get that either all right because um people don't like jeremy renner right really not all right because he made a joke fucking 10 years ago like here's the here's some backstory on this shit i think it's a couple things but this is the main thing i don't think it was more serious wasn't it not he made it i think he made a joke about how black widow was uh they were making like he was going back and forth with this interviewer with chris evans about oh yeah black widows are such a whore really like they were making it was a joke and he was he was and for some reason marvel fans have not fucking forgotten about that and they think he's a horrible misogynist or some shit but but the catch the thing is with that chris evans was joking right long or long with him and he gets no flak for it absolutely fucking none yeah i think the prompt was uh how come black widow was with uh i i forget the exact timeline but i think she wasn't she with uh hulk and then she was you know kind of flirting with chris evans then she was with the hulk or whatever and just comes down to like not really committing to one relationship or another and that was his response and he joked he was laughing it was a joke but the question was about why why was black widow with one guy and then why is she now with another guy i think right isn't that the prompt yeah i'd always heard that it was something to do with his ex-wife but i don't i don't know enough about what i mean it's that too is that too but that was that's what started i just i'm sorry i don't know like about this so yeah by the way she just tweeted out sudden influx of angry men in my black widow comment section who told them huh like that's right yeah love you gotta stop being sexist it looks terrible you gotta you really should stop being a sexist prick and maybe get a treadmill because holy fuck it is a bad look both ways just gotta get tiring because it's just so weird that the men can just get shit on so loud yeah you're totally allowed to shit all over men no consequences whatsoever russian no white men are the russians of countries basically you could you could say anything you want against white men in the same way that if you want to make fun of a nationality there's always russia particularly stingy if i can confidently say i love oh by the way four out of five that's an eight out of ten that's quite good i mean with our scale and age is like damn that must have been good you know yeah um yeah i don't know end of dora movie no matter it's objective quality five stars i don't worship black widow unconditionally i just think she's perfect perfect five out of five no flaws damn wait what do you think about how she had said if she had just how much i guess she liked it or because she had mentioned she would give it five out of five based on a different criteria right um if i can give in black widow five five would be a pretty difficult proposition but hey i'm not everybody yeah five stars i don't worship black widow unconditionally i just think she's swell i'd like to hang out with her some time and the issues i do i would not be afraid to be alone to bear you see i don't love any mcu installment five stars worth hence one reason why i never wanted to talk about it despite having seen every movie if you want to know what i think black widow's worst scene is it's the one that breaks all of the momentum built by those heartbreaking first 16 minutes i was feeling for these girls invested in a title sequence implying their trauma before i was more than implying i'd say i wouldn't say that's implied it's showing showing yeah i guess she means to imply the worst in the in the silly credits an attempt to rewrite mcu history we're a bit more distracting but yeah um i mean i remember when the film first came out a lot of people were saying well that part was good i was like i mean maybe it's i've never even thought about it's like is it is it strong if we ignore like all the breaks and continuities like i guess it's fine the the dad's failing to get them ready faster when he's fully invested and that was kind of stupid um yeah i don't know it's about it's like yeah i guess other than that are you watching kids getting torn away from something they loved into an indoctrination program it's like yeah that's pretty upsetting it's forced to find my footing in this relentless continuity like oh look it's that vaguely familiar guy from what i don't remember after natasha for reasons forgotten well whose fault is that that's yeah it's a fucking the movie she she introduced the movie as a sequel and now she's like how am i supposed to remember the movie before it's like okay it took place yeah she said it took place not to this other movie where this character was a pretty important character i forget who he is though well yeah because somebody could just be like well look i watched the fellowship of the ring and then 10 years later i watched two towers how am i supposed to be expected to remember what's happening and who the two are very strange complaint but okay very odd i mean i watched civil war once five years ago and i never revisited it because i'm not a super mega nerd i'm glad we had that no fucking way you're not a super mega dude after the first two minutes oh we know you think this is brilliant she just said that she's kidding um is she is she yeah yeah oh well at the same time i just like i don't get it if you're invested in blackboard as a character wouldn't you be invested in civil war i don't know pretty important for black well if you said that you really like her and you'd want to hang out with her so you're a fan then yeah you might as well consider like the captain american movies like as kind of as close to her movies as frankly i don't give a shit if she's a fan or not if you review a movie you better do your fucking research one way or another yeah mm-hmm yeah is this to like kind of make herself look cool because she's not a um not some kind of dirty nerd or whatever it's like i'm sorry lady i review vampire lady or whatever that other thing was vampire yeah it's like you can't really uh thank you a little bit yeah you're a little too invested in that already i don't think you can really back out of that that name but if you are one know that these hands have never touched a comic book i have read some squirrel girl did you care yeah i didn't know what literally what does that have to do with whether or not you remember civil war the movie i don't understand yeah i've never touched a comic book essentially i've touched them so little i essentially have never read a comic book for the purpose of this discussion and i remember civil war i guess when we review things we're familiar with the material well you need yeah like so for example drastic will dominion is gonna come out i'm gonna rewatch probably the drastic park series before seeing it because i'm like you know that's that's what it's supposed to be a sequel to part of the judgment of that film's you know continuity is going to be as as it relates that's a sequel so i just i love the idea that i'm like i ain't fucking watching all those movies again so you bet it you better account for me who doesn't know exactly what you're talking about and every second okay i mean like an arc well more power to two films that can achieve that the idea that ross shows up hunting down black widow and you're like i don't fucking know this guy is like oh it's just a deflection from criticism just in case someone in the comments comes at her with some facts she wants she's gonna say well i don't watch all your shit so you know you expect me to do and i guess the response to that would be but you've made a video talking about it so right actually to be familiar with the material yeah like google search away to inform you it's not hard really should be familiar with the uh the predecessors of that media but if you want to later make the criticism it's like okay the average movie gover has not recently watched civil war that movie was five years ago that's a that's a valid criticism is like people aren't going to be as fresh with that and maybe the movie should have you know acknowledged that it's been five years and maybe kind of done a little refresher like even you know winter soldier did that actually really really well they if you hadn't watched captain america like the previous week it does a little refresher he walks through museum um i guess i don't know that i i don't know if i think it's valid in terms of like this is a problem because i'm in plain metro dread awesome game by the way but there's like a there's the opening is basically so this was what fusion was fusion came out 20 years ago um that's super helpful but like it's i wouldn't say that it's a problem if that wasn't uh there don't make maybe like you know how much should you be expected to just be familiar with the content before you go into a sequel yeah i wouldn't consider it an objective flaw but i definitely think that having a refresher for people who either didn't watch or play the previous media for whatever reason or who haven't done it for a while especially if it has been five plus years it's understandable that you want to kind of kind of ease people back into it especially if you're going to be referencing things like if you if you're referencing stuff that's outside of that particular product you might want to do a refresher or you probably will do one or want to do a refresher because you're not going to remember it that's exactly the reason why you'll notice on tv episodes you know like you know previously unlawlessly yeah yeah they'll always pick out clips that are either going to reference later because they want you to have that that payoff but if you don't remember episode you know season two episode seven you're not going to immediately have that connection or if you watched that last year you're going to want that that payoff yeah there's there's a tightrope to walk in terms of um should we give them the information the worst kind of this is when someone goes wait you were blah blah blah the whole time and then they could show you look at a ton of flashbacks for all the episodes where they implied otherwise and you're like thank you it's like yeah that's what i make sure you know otherwise you wouldn't understand right it's like no i would because i was watching it i was impressed yeah it's like it's like a balance between how long ago was it how long are you going to spend with referencing that sort of thing don't think there's a definitive answer to it but when it comes to who ross is i feel like you should you should know who he is yeah he's a major figure in the in that era of uh the avengers and i guess i don't even know if he is going forward because it's so fucking confusing what's happening right now but certainly in the hawk show yeah we'll shoot hawk yeah because if you take away because they've clearly just been ignoring the sycovia accords and that's a they don't kill more they're gone they're done i don't think they'll bring them up when they need them i don't think they'll bring them up ever honestly if they need to arrest somebody or they need to imply they need restrictions or something i don't think they'll mention the accords i think they'll just like say hey you're under arrest well they've been mentioned in by the fbi in falcon the winter soldier and went wandavision they paid lip service i think that's as far as it'll go yeah i think this is as far as it goes yeah like we know this thing we we know our material guys definitely we know the sycovia accords we said them uh-huh enjoy the sunday funnies growing up and my favorite action movie is speed which according to my dad is a peculiar choice it shouldn't be that movie rocks i like speed is that the one is that the bus that couldn't slow down yeah it's the one with a bus has got to keep it speed over 50 and if it speed drops it explodes i think i think it was a long time ago and i remember like that couldn't slow down would slow down i love the joke i guess it's an unusual choice because it's not one that you'd expect i think that's generally liked but for it to be someone's favorite i think that's a little unusual i mean right now kiana is this like you know um g uh super trunker whatever so i'm assuming it's like i don't think he's fallen in people's bed i've only ever known speed to be neat i i don't know how it holds up though uh be interested to find out what about speed to cruise control oh god it must be good he is in that didn't kiana refuse to refuse to do that one in favor of something like i think so was it the matrix uh uh i think it was something else no matrix is 99 so or shot 98 um i think speed was like 95 right or 94 was it like devil's advocate or something well i don't know what it might have been he turns out that was yeah it's clear it already actually kind of declined a bit by the time he picked up matrix surprisingly um reeves was off a 12 million surprises roll uh but turned it down because he did not like the script and was financially secure from the success of speed and felt he was not ready to mentally and physically star in another movie um like that oh okay i thought he gave it up for a different role okay okay there you go i got an article here that says kiana reeves was put in movie jail for turning down speed too i'm not sure what that means i assume maybe does that mean maybe that people were less willing to cast him or maybe yeah that's that's close done yeah he did speed and he was hot shit again and then he did johnny mnemonic and 95 and i don't think chain reaction was particularly beloved either so by the time uh by the late 90s he rolled around he was already kind of not hot material anymore so matrix absolutely resparked his career she's she's prior to do a twist i don't know that anybody was saying anything but i mean i guess she doesn't want any of us to be reading anything she says it's like all right action just isn't my genre and on account of that feel free to take with a grain of salt that i find some of black widow's combat incredibly well choreographed there isn't a single good moment of combat liner has definitely obstructed your vision it's supposed to help you see better because it reduces glare of your faith but it's doing the opposite this is the same shit when someone describes like the tlg throne room fight as really good which i did in the original video it's like when you explore it's like what was it was it literally just you thought so and have you ever thought further about choreography because the benefit i didn't have was watching it um as many times as i want in whatever speed i want you know because like you do that with um like jackie chan stuff and then you'll be like holy shit they're actually hitting each other like at least to some degree it's like nice um yeah i don't know oof my benchmark for saying so is that as someone who struggles paying attention to fight scenes i paid close attention oh my god i just getting more more and more trip fed all of the the reasons why she thinks that the fight scenes in this are great she doesn't care for them she has trouble paying attention but in this one she did i don't know so because she doesn't like action scenes she this action scene was good to her i don't know if that she wanted to really pay attention this time she really wanted to focus and so that's you know normally she doesn't really care for him and pay attention i think that's the logic she was paying attention therefore there must be something that's working i mean i think she went she decided up more than usual to pay attention to the action scenes in this and i just think i think it's just as simple as she doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about so what i mean is i think that her logic is i usually don't pay attention the fact that i did means that something must have been working i think that it's the other way where i don't normally pay attention so i did so i made sure to pay attention and i think that not because she paid attention but because she was paying attention if you could kind of the word stuff i'm doing right now she actually thinks it's good but she made sure to pay attention to see if it was good and she thinks that this is good but i can't be certain we can go back and we can listen again though we certainly can because i can't even offer an opinion i did not pause because of anything she said um so jay longboat you fancy reading something oh my god uh sure sure so this this is one of the newest comments on a video uh that's above this i guess okay oh it's from pack it um you are being e-fapped right now disgusting troglodyte man and a token black girl oh okay okay bitch they discovered her channel trying to smear you with their smugness you need to confront this or else your video will get downloaded to oh and any of mawler's brown shirts uh oh and to any of mawler's brown shirts you can be sexist towards men calm no sorry you can't be say yeah see i can't read stupid shit it automatically corrects it to something yeah i feel like better uh that uh power plus plus prejudice equals insert discriminatory practice here equation works with sexism too fuck off uh shut the fuck up pack it what's interesting is that the the power privilege thing which is totally made up to justify why they could do it their way um you talk about especially the men and women dynamic you know politically speaking particularly which is arguably the most important kind of power you can have uh women are the largest voting block and they also vote at higher rates than men so really you can't be sexist towards women if we're gonna follow it to its logical conclusion so i would i would prefer to live in the world where we just don't judge people based on their immutable characteristics oh you racist we just stop we please stop doing this it's like it's it's it's you're like look at this man i just want to go back back to a time where you go i don't like men talking about black widow and someone else goes that's fucked up that's that yeah and then and then they go oh that was actually i'm not gonna do that anymore because i judging people based on aspects which they can't control about themselves is wrong i'm glad that we all agree that judging people based on their immutable characteristics is wrong because they can't do anything about it and we should judge based on who they are not what they are i'm glad we all agree that that's the way that it should be done but you know anyway and then we can talk about movies and have a fun time well fringy someone in chat is saying that sex is not an immutable characteristic oh as i i so it's all it's all very confusing now don't fucking i just want to talk about movies i just want to talk about my movies do they mean like having sex i i yeah i'm stuck all the way back over that we seem to nail this like 20 years ago i don't know what's happening yeah what happened we went backwards rags come back on honey badger radio we miss you oh invite me uh sure but uh let me see yeah we can we can carry on with this it's a shame how we've degressed from that sweet sweet period of our youth healthy on days and i was gonna say like it sucks those kinds of comments as well as the thing she's been hearting it's like that just makes everything way worse because i get i'm still willing to listen to why this film is good even with all that shit so i don't know let's let's let's see what that was i guess uh i guess i don't know if this should surprise us or not but apparently she has protected her twitter profile i guess you not surprising it all locked it down i guess you didn't hear it earlier because i'm pretty sure muller already mentioned that i might have i might have been stunned by something just i can't write your trust my god look at her bio that movie rocks action just isn't my genre and on account of that feel free to take with a grain of salt that i find some of black widow's combat incredibly well choreographed my benchmark for saying so is that as someone who struggles paying attention to fight scenes i paid close attention to natash's first encounters with yelena and task master the sound design i don't know yeah so that was her argument then was that she paid attention the fact that she paid attention means that that's that's that's something i don't know maybe that's a strange process it is a strange process but i'm pretty sure that's the only way that you can read what she just said that like if that's her argument when i hear it the way that my brain process is that is that i don't normally pay attention so i made sure to pay attention for this one and i think it's really good okay i mean maybe uh that's i don't know which way it is i think it could go both ways but that's how my brain just sort of i was gonna say um i think i line up with fringies but then i conclude i'm confused so like the idea that she's like i found myself yeah i found myself not paying attention with action movies but i did with this one so it's you know it's a good one i'm just like what the fuck does that mean like why i i did yeah it's not not particularly great point yeah i yeah i don't want to make that on the bridge was particularly enthralling like what's the point of referencing choreography if all your metric is is was i paying attention to it like that i mean this much the situation is probably maybe just don't say anything about it just say like i don't know i liked it but i don't know anything about it so yeah let's move on because yeah so the funny thing about that is like one shot the one shot i like the sounds but i don't know that they they're a little bit extreme right well that can't be diegetic yeah boom boom direct it's like a sound school but i mean it's like ninja sounds like especially especially when you have the knowledge that it's actually a scrawny little girl in there the idea that her footsteps are going we never get it from the movie but i thought maybe the suit was supposed to be given a like super strength or something but i don't know i we never get any confirmation but she does some stuff that's just like whoa how strong are you remember she goes toe to toe with um a lexie and he's a super soldier it's like how did you do that maybe maybe i'll go put on the the covid-15 you know so maybe a little little heavier that shot i don't know and can i mention the thematic implications of an antagonist being able to mimic the combative techniques of their protagonist who's a widow all of whom fight identically because of their lack of free will in training you wouldn't get it despite no you could you could attempt to explain it to us i i highly doubt there's anything that you understand that we are not capable of she's just she's just highlighted a flaw that i didn't even think about um taskmaster has all of the black widow training so it wouldn't be anything to reflect you'd know it all it's true you're saying they all fight the same but taskmaster fights the same as other people who aren't black widows so how does that align with the theme she fights like captain america and and like winter soldier and then black panther i yeah because i think i think the logic is that it ties into the theme of oh you know they have no free will they all fight this it's like the taskmaster doesn't fight the same she fights the same as a whole bunch of people also she didn't show any right choreography in that in that little clip there she showed uh wow well walking slowly and then look like a flip yeah hardcore park i guess you could call it choreography when they said now when you get up you do the thing where you you propel yourself off the off your back kind of guys hmm at all of this one criticism i have seen that i actually do agree with is that its third act is its weakest act because it's so by the books in terms of action okay sorry we need to sew it in uh in uh is it just that there are things exploding in the sky i was gonna say what a shit right i am not happy that guardians is in there in the mix me neither i saw that and came into soldier that last guardians fight was great what's the top right one so i i think that's captain america one oh no i don't like that you've said that they're the same what's bottom left that's cap one bottom level you got to get on my level with the ability to look at clouds in the sky and immediately determine which uh so in top left is black widow and yeah so black widow so in captain america one it's like actually pretty effective and potent and captain america doesn't jump out of the plane and fight people in midair no it's not what's happened it's not the same is it just that there are stuff in the sky that is kind of exploding i guess so and this i don't like comparisons like this because it's um it reminds me of like the many times we come across this where it's the specifics of the situations are so fucking different if you want to just say these are weak third acts compared to the other two acts um captain marvel was just shit overall end game was overall yeah winter soldier was pretty shit overall yeah remember guys that official e-fap taker yeah marvel just like independence day now guardians three i like the third act it has more problems than the first two acts but still got some really good shit in there and so yeah i guess like she's just saying something explodes in this big i guess it's the blue laser using i argument where i was just tired yeah also she's using a compilation of clips she got from someone else she didn't put this together herself but i think it's go ahead oh okay i think it's important to use clips you've compiled off of movies that you've watched because so you know so you could it shows you have some kind of understanding of what you're talking about i guess yeah at least the screen junkies thing is there so people know that they made it but then it's really awkward in the video because it's their logo is popped up in what jay said means a lot doubly so because if someone makes their own clips then you get more confidence that they really were aware of the material because they went and fetched it themselves yeah otherwise it makes it look like she just recycled this point from a screen junkies video but also yeah because if she didn't even know or remember three of these movies half of them this compilation would still be in here regardless but also like i i'm not thinking about the ratio six in the sky out of like what 25 movies at this point oh that bad like in terms of being too samey and i'm gonna make and i'm gonna make a lot more sense you know than others um of course the son and chat said the video is right the black widow scene was filmed before the script was written so that information doesn't support what she said is being true so and we knew that um and it's really dumb but you could film a third act and then end up with a movie that doesn't do a giant explosion in the sky like so those two things aren't like the same thing um and and like doing like a a marvel third acts am i right like like some of the third acts are really good so it's it's it's a weird war i love the guardians third act i mean i love a lot of the third acts even i'm m1 even with obadiah going insane the rest of it works pretty well for emphasis on that point of view i do like captain midnight's video on the subject i agree with him for the most part and i appreciate his acknowledgement that he's allowed to agree with the man climactic battles aren't usually marvel's strong suit and black widow isn't a special case in that regard i suppose i mean black widow's third act is probably one of the worst the worst third acts uh yeah like captain captain america one is like that's fairly solid iron man twos is okay not great might be bad actually civil war has a fantastic third act absolutely infinity war third act is more of a mixed bag but it's all you know still got better stuff avengers is pretty good avengers it has a great third act avengers what about a voltron uh no that's not a good one yeah there's a lot of things about that one all the robots they did fail the robots they did all those robots and then they managed to make sure that none of them escaped somehow wow it's just that kind of talent all right it's incredible the giant explosions in the sky are made before the movie is so it's just forced in there and creative i don't agree like you can't disagree with the idea that you can still contextualize them differently they're not all the same yeah you can figure it out you know how to make it the worst possible explanation yeah i mean isn't that the same process that the last two mission impossible movies went through where they were plotting out the big set pieces before they wrote all the script yeah i believe and it's like possibly the best written of all the mission possibles i can't say that with confidence but it's it's possible it's either about a rogue nation but by the same fella i'm i'm totally up for another mission impossible gimme yeah no i'm excited and more excited for mission impossible next year on yes yeah tactic battles aren't usually marvel's strong suit and black widow isn't already in it seems it sucks yeah it's old it's old it's not a pretty movie suppose where i differs in believing the rest of the movie built up enough goodwill to offset the disappointment and i oh did it okay do tell i don't think i'm as bothered by the third act as many are anyway due to my cgi blindness i tweeted about this the other day and it was in reference to black god no you didn't say that about black widow that one has like some ass cgi some of the people were sharing it because it's so funny like um yeah i'm trying to do it thing and try to absorb this comment and wonder does the cgi blindness thing that she's trying to present make it worse because the cgi is so terrible in this movie and you just i think she's saying that she just doesn't spot like she can't tell really whether i mean i was gonna say this is not a great thing to admit in terms of your ability as a critic like i can't tell the difference between well executed cgi and poorly executed cgi is like oh i guess i'm not sure that i believe that though because i don't know that it's even your choice whether or not you are like yeah you you just know something looks wrong well but that's what she's admitting is she literally can't tell the difference i i get i guess what i'm saying that's not good for a film critic but i like i just don't get it i can't yeah i think you're right probably that's the thing i can't not see it so when you see um leia in rogue one i feel like everyone was like oh she looks porcelain what's going on what's happening and you're like yeah i mean it's the best they could do i don't know i doubt she was like that looks just like carry fischer from a new hoe if you're like okay i've never seen someone uh so clearly undermine their credibility when trying to praise something before like she's she's just said that she doesn't pay attention during uh action scenes yet she thinks the action's good because she was actually paying attention this time and then she says she's she's got like blindness and so she can't tell if the movie has good CGI or not and then she said the third act is awful so now you're saying that uh you think that the third act was bad uh you can't tell cgi or action scenes are good because you don't generally pay attention but yet it's actually a pretty good movie it's like it's it's good because i can't tell what bad is you're like yeah like that's great i'd love to faith in your assessment second time the second time that the argument of i can't tell that it's bad so it's good but also i can understand thematic things that you guys just can't like i kind of appreciate the honesty at least but it doesn't really lend a whole lot of credence to your point you just say i don't actually even know this is good yeah if i high if i call a plumber to come and fix my pipes and he's like hey just gonna be honest with you it's my first day and i don't have a degree uh so let's get started like i appreciate your honesty please leave yeah by the way saying she has infinite suspension of disbelief that'll bite her in the ass at some point guarantee oh yeah it happens because there's no story that has like that can ever can never be taken out of it you're like i can use that as a defense against a movie she ever says is at any point unbelievable yeah vampire academy i'd have like an infinite you know like suspension of disbelief right so how is it bad talk about undermining the work that a lot of pieces of media put in to try and make things believable and make sense like that's that's just irrelevant to julia cutney whose suspension of disbelief is infinite it's not infinite though like i don't believe that that's yeah i don't think you decide yeah it's not a thing that you just decide it's not a conscious choice you i don't think you consciously choose to uh suspend your disbelief it's like involuntary worth clarifying she said visually a suspension that's still gonna bite her in the ass that still is yeah yeah i guess yeah that still applies especially when it comes to we put a lot of work into making all this cgi you know effective and because it puts like Jurassic Park on the same level as black widow and you're like man that's sucks i'm fair that sucks to hear from a film critic that those are just uh we have a name i guess everyone always references scoping king cgi and the mummy returns it's like yeah because this is one of the cringiest fucking creatures ever uh yeah if someone's like why i don't see it you're like you don't you don't see it you do you do you see it stop it if somebody put uh that wretched horrible uh 100 million dollar commercial movie what food fight which had notoriously bad cgi it was like basically i want to be picks our movie with uh with food uh yeah characters in it like a raisin man and stuff like that in there i'm sure she would complain about the visuals being ugly so i i don't i don't see i don't really see that i think yeah it should be a lot less picky than the most but at the same time if you're speaking about something from authority maybe you should have some references or just saying that you know it worked for me i guess that's i guess that's enough wow everybody was making fun of its bad cgi it well so this is awful this is a combo of like they poorly composited on shitty effects like that's what it seems to be to me they couldn't stand in the woods no that's impossible we can't be doing that they couldn't sit at a restaurant no they couldn't find a flying sky fortress maybe they get a little bit of a pass for that one it still looks like shit get a real sky fortress idiots i thought it looked fine i do not see what you see i can't pretend to be bothered by what is invisible to me special that's fine so that's a problem well i mean it's fine for her i just it's surprising to me i guess she thinks it's fine but i would yeah but i would say if you're a film critic this is something you need to well be aware of and to be aware of i just appreciate the fact that she said like i'm not gonna lie and say it bothers me when it doesn't it's like excellent that's it's good that you do that uh but i don't know might be something you want to look into the differences between like well-executed and poorly executed cgi just i don't know maybe that'd be great if you had one of those uh like the charts they have at the automatrist where you know you read out letters but instead of that you have like toy story you know 1905 you have uh you know special effects from black widow and then like as you go lower and lower you have to identify different levels of cgi or something like that i found out um this morning actually i don't know if you guys knew this it's not that interesting but um specter the james bomb movie has the record for the biggest explosion in a movie you know that uh no i didn't know that it's when they blow up blow felt facility so like i was just like oh apparently they they broke a record for that i didn't even notice that it's like okay it looks pretty good the explosion you know because it's real yeah thumbs up next level horrendous for me to take notice i'm looking at you team will on that note speaking of action set pieces in particular why am i mostly hearing about the supposedly poorly done finale because i could have sworn there was like an hour and a half of movie outside well hey if you watch my video i spent really long not just the third act that sucked don't worry about it yeah all sucked back did you feel nothing watching a little girl pilot a plane because her surrogate mother was shot at the wheel did you not feel nothing when you saw little girls struggle for all life nah no i didn't i just i didn't really like i wasn't i wasn't into that scene it wasn't working for me uh sorry yep wait was it a larger cgi explosion or pyrotechnic i don't know i think it was explosion i'd have to check but i could be the largest cgi explosion you just make a film where you blow up a planet like you just do that nobody nobody said anything about cg oh wait they did oh wait wait so sorry is there a difference between explosion and pyrotechnic or those the same things oh sorry am i i no no it's my bad not yours uh i was just i'm just it's a different question i want to ask because i was just thinking i thought pyrotechnic was like things strictly involving fire while explosion is like blowing things up i don't know either way no you're right they said largest cgi explosion and then uh i i completely blanked on that yeah because like it can't be that impressive to do a large cgi explosion rather than like a highly detailed it would be well but but they're being larger cgi explosions then inspector you just have a planet blow up like that's and that's happening in movies so yeah you think even like found us a ship blowing up is probably bigger yeah probably yeah i'm assuming it was a pyrotechnic uh quantity of yeah like kilotons or megatons or whatever probably not megatons so blow up the whole city but uh you know however much equivalent of tnd tnt or gasoline was required to make an explosion i guess that would be the only thing that could actually measure right because cg i mean they've been blowing up the earth and planets and cg since exactly so like star wars death star like yeah that was compositing i think but the earliest the earliest cg i can think of directly was probably titan ae where they blew up the whole world but i'm sure it's been done yeah with cg i was just thinking like you know like a little explosion that blows up maybe a barrel so like if you put that in space and then you're like i just blew up the planet by the way like oh that was a big explosion nice thank you yeah so the size of a cgi explosion that feels weird but uh the real sort of hardcore explosions and stuff are always pretty neat to see in movies even though they probably do damage the environment and just dastardly cgi saving the world everybody even though the cgi probably does damage the environment too right from all the rendering and pcs and stuff out of possibly yeah you know it's you know it's messed up i heard that the carbon imprint of downloading a game is higher than buying a physical copy really it's so weird yeah that's what i heard it's so weird i depends on the size of the game obviously i think that probably like an indie game you'd probably squeeze by it but the amount of energy it takes to to run the servers etc i've heard i don't know i really do wonder about that yeah yeah that one's probably for like a like a call of duty or like you know witch or three or something like a really big like 100 plus gig game i'm thinking maybe and then when you think about the cd and the plastic and the gasoline used to transport it and then of course if we're dealing with consoles you have to install all of that so it still takes all the electricity and stuff to double whammy yeah it's maybe not that you're installing games it might not be as much but that's why i have to find the article i mean i think if you if you play video games on console you hate the planet you and i both know it was magical watching scarlett joe hanson glide above the rubble like nicole kidman and no no we were dying she was attacking innocent people i genuinely flabbergasted when i first saw that scene i couldn't believe all of the damage she was dealing and she didn't give a fuck because like watching her dance above let me like shut the fuck up that's almost like a gadelp quote magically uh gliding i don't know that's the thing well you're right because like some people would be like did someone actually describe what she was doing in that scene is magical you're like yes yeah yes it's just like moulin rouge moulin rouge um you and i both know it was magical when what did she even say when she was just gliding above the prison i guess gliding above the hundreds of bodies at the prison there you go magical and intentional reference by the way one of my favorite moments in the film is when she is underneath the helicopter and she's flying through oh Jesus christ i'm about to hear the filmmaker not realize all the shit that happens in that scene too please my brain my brain was wondering why this was like zoomed in so much copyright maybe maybe and i was really inspired by nicole kidman in moulin rouge what the fuck man what the that was the director oh god oh no that was just julia making that comparison god damn it that wasn't tuned in just really bad uh interview footage you can tell that she's out of focus in the background is so they obviously didn't know how to operate a camera or she's on a webcam or something possibly just her webcam because covet or whatever i like spelling moulin rouge is moulin rouge moulin rouge moulin rouge moulin rouge because she's flying across all these men and there's this kind of massive man underneath her happened to movie making seriously what the fuck happened she's under this massive bed all of them dying but oh my god die trash slice queen literally when you're on set for the money and you hear these things and you're just like mm-hmm mm-hmm yeah that's great it's gonna be a great movie also just the the uh all it does is make that shot in black way to look worse because you can see that the connect the how much the camera is tracking uh in moulin rouge and she's actually like just a couple inches above those people or at least the camera makes it seem so so that's a way more impressive practical shot to see nicole kidman yeah swooping over the people rather than a wide cg shot because i doubt that entire facility was real i we do the fucking thing again we're just like this is a reference this other thing you're like uh-huh okay well that's good you're like wait that's good on its own you're like yes you're like oh yes okay i now have the formula to create the perfect film yeah just reference everything hey uh what's it called fucking ready player one of things there you go or i said my things too cinema things she's just above you know this angel it was what is this angel it's just above this angel of death what the fuck what have we done stop hiring women to direct movies oh this angel fun you know because we could create these moments of beauty that i hope moments of beauty over there oh you just you just cut out the screaming of the man in post didn't you to make it more beautiful will resonate with young women do you have what do you mean resonate with yeah it resonates with young women to murder men in mass who have done nothing wrong i just think it's you don't know what you've done like you don't you don't realize that like what's happening in the story that you've made i think that's what it is i think i think like the interpretation is oh look she's flying over this look at that shot and it's like you do realize like all those people are getting buried it's like well don't think about that yeah i i what are you gonna do if you like if i had a daughter whatever in i would i would be thinking what is this telling her that she could just like what what what is that actually telling her she could float above men men that she could fly like an angel what is that supposed to do like what what can she do with that information this film says you could fly like an angel like thanks dad but you're not a play soccer now yeah it is genuinely unreal because it's such a meme it's like this this mass massacre is going to be inspirational to young women you're like what yeah okay i'm wondering if there's a bit of a i don't know if this is a bit of a situation kind of like a again ready player one um where you have spielberg doing the kind of low-key drama scenes and he's in those scenes are the best parts of the movie and then you have i'm guessing some animation you know director do the rest of the movie which was all inside of the the virtual reality game and i'm wondering if that's kind of like this where she's doing some of the you know some of the shots whereas the action is was there a second unit director or or somebody handling the action shots so she doesn't really even get much of the context of what's actually going on with that she just wanted to do the scene that she liked from well i because i you raised an interesting point because i'm pretty sure it is just the case that um there is a lot of stuff related to a lot of marvel movies that is not in the hands of the director like they pre-visualize stuff like years ahead of time so it makes you wonder if like you had the action set pieces and how much i but again like it's your film ultimately at the end of the day so terrible hope will resonate with young women there you have it folks this one's for the girls men aren't allowed to hate this movie i shouldn't say that they'll take me seriously let me amend my we can't like us to say it all the time i really can't in comments that make like serious criticisms of men being unable to review the film then yeah like we can't tell with you people what do you like what do you mean take me seriously the well so you're joking man you don't you don't feel this way why you have all the comments that say it like what the fuck people people like this don't understand what satire is they just think it's saying hateful shit in a funny voice and you say i'm just kidding i guess i guess that would because like if you're having a conversation if somebody said that's like you know what do you actually think then like just tell me what you actually think i don't i don't like this whole um like oh yeah here's the take oh just kidding anyway i'm gonna continue on i was like well wait a minute like what do you actually think well yeah and maybe you could explain the mechanics of the joke and not necessarily just in terms of why is this your entire set of like people in your comment section clearly believe that men are worthless for crit for the perspective on the these movies is just like where's that coming from why is that and then you're like oh it's just a joke you're like is it doesn't look like it i didn't i didn't realize everything will resonate with young women there you have it folks this one's for the girls men aren't allowed to hate this movie i shouldn't say that they'll take me seriously let me amend my statement men aren't allowed to hate this movie or this video in all seriousness right so i still lost yeah i don't know i don't understand what she gives why are we talking about men why are we talking about men yeah comes up a lot huh it's really fucking annoying we're talking about it but we're talking about a movie weird do you think some of black widows virtues are more apparent to those of us name three wait was she about to say oh i think she's about to say i don't think some of black widows virtues are more apparent to those of us with long hair for instance i never realized i have long hair is she is she is she trying to say without saying that women are better at understanding black widows virtues than men are well as a as a long hair haver but i will i will substitute myself in and i will let you guys know that's right true yeah cheers like that's the joke part like ti i'm not saying women i'm saying people with long hair because statistically speaking that's more likely to be women um but what the fuck you know what i mean like what are you doing oh yeah i mean that's not yeah i thought we were i thought we were trying to move past this you know i mean you can't keep the joke up forever and keep balancing between it not being a joke being a joke not being a joke being it he's like is it or not and then you're like totally is i do think some of black widows virtues are more apparent to those of us with long hair for instance i never realized also it is a little confusing is it the movies virtues or the characters virtues i think she's talking about a character i think she's talking about oh no i thought she was talking about the movie i think she might be talking about the movie i'm not sure yeah there you go this is why i thought i was clear and now i'm not clear anymore how annoying i found women in actions perfect blowouts before seeing this alternative wow you think this is like a good one compared to those what the hell she just has random braids here and a ponytail there like what the hell i was talking about her just like i thought she meant the virtues of these films but comparison oh well yeah both are correct it's funny as well that she's like praising its virtues when rags is like what about the presidency and she's like no it didn't bother me it's like wow that really says a lot about your pictures the hairstyling department just absolutely killed it with the russian braids but that's a minute more importantly i think but it just brings up the idea of why would the black widows be allowed to have long hair they should have very very short hair they should be buzz cut alternatively bold yeah that's like yeah right yeah they should have military haircuts because that shit is utility well because even if it's even if it's like a point and and of course it's like oh look at the braids it's like in the final act all of them have their hair down and like some sort of like they have very long hair that's getting in the way and a to the grab do you remember that hair takes like effort they have to have a lot of time and they have to wash it and they have to dry it the right way and get it all curled up and everything's like does drakov allow that is he like is that a thing that he's just down for would be a lot more well and the praise here is the accuracy to russian hairstyles not to the in narratives like position in the world it's just like that's great it sounds pretty superficial to me um i know yeah i don't go as far as saying that like this is um she said it's superficial it's like yeah but the problem is we're halfway through your video nothing's happened yet like i need some help be way more practical to have uh bald and just really really convincing wigs that way that you can make the your agents even more cumulion like you could you could place them in any situation make them change their their makeup their hair you know all that kind of stuff and they'd be able to blend in or completely change identities on a on a dime basically so yeah having long natural flowing hair that's going to get in the way of fireflies and stuff when they're on mission they shouldn't have hair at all do you remember uh we we brought that up about woman back in season one and then there was a i think an opening episode where she is just like you know beating some gangsters up or whatever and one of them grabs her hair and reanks it to the ground and she's like yeah it's like yeah maybe yeah that's what happens he's not even fucking real like it's it's causing you problems so just i don't know yeah that's a ridiculous character design for the pet suit i think many yeah hair will like if you're wearing gas masks hair gets in the way and it gets caught up in the straps if you putting on and taking off backpacks you have to make sure that your hair is out of the way before you put the backpack on so it doesn't get between that your back and yeah it gets in the way as fellow people of long hair you know polh uh could could say uh yeah the worst pain imaginable is when you get like a good lock of hair caught on something and you pull really hard uh yeah no it hurts a lot so uh if you're a fighter you put the hair up and really tight bun or you know maybe a braid but even that's kind of liability but yeah if you're going for efficiency even as early back as uh ancient greek hop lights used to shave their heads because it was liability having long hair yeah killed it with the russian braids but that's a minute detail more importantly i think many women interpret black widows themes not more i thought it was people with long hair not women i don't i really hate how they use the word themes the people who make these kinds of videos they just it just randomly gets tossed in and then yeah because a theme is just like a thing that's in the film but it sounds so much better than saying that doesn't it yeah exactly yeah she's really loose with her terminology i don't know if she's talking about story themes or the overall theme of a movie you know like the setting i have no idea what she's talking about right now because she was talking about hair like like this is the stuff that really starts to like ruin what uh impact themes can have and how important they are to nail in like storytelling because you just you're just saying it's just anything and everything and it's all great and you need to focus on them and oh can you make it a little bit more i feel like they read it in a book and then they were like that's what movies are all about now and i just have to say it at least 17 times in my video and i'll come across as though i'm a experienced like deconstructor of storytelling just like yeah you nailed it well there she alluded to a theme earlier but she said just we wouldn't get it she's just that much smarter than we are we just wouldn't get it so i guess we'll have to take her word for it differently than others let's talk about task master apparently he's called tony masters in the comics and he has an entire backstory personality and he's like a character of his own yeah people are attached to him people are familiar with him and as much as my liking of black widow what's that task master they look like they look like the punisher the fuck there's the skull mask yeah i i'm really upset at black widow the movie for white washing task master was it later one 20 masters always he like because i don't actually know specifically i know that there's a while yeah yeah yeah we want to respond to those who take issue with his gender swapped mute adaptation coldly well see this is the thing if if you were in a call i'd cut her off be like well don't you think the problem is there's just no character isn't that the problem yeah don't you think they had something that they could have gone from and they just did like nothing with it at all yeah because for me if if her name was tony masters like tony with an eye and she was basically the same character it's like oh that's way better like we could just do that if you if you insist on on like switch in the gender yeah we could still make it work but like we didn't get anything i've come to agree that if the only two traits these two characters share are a costume and a pseudonym they should have just designed a new costume and picked a new pseudonym why adapt the likeness of an established character because it'll get people to come watch it yeah if you don't intend to draw anything from them but a power i can't however agree that's independent of what i've heard called corruption of source material and tonia dragoff is a bad villain or a villain at all meet me where i'm at here okay this version of task master is the only one i've ever known and without any preconceived notion of what they should be it's impossible to interpret her as a villain i keep what um i mean she's mine controls depends on your yeah it depends on how you find villain antagonists but in terms of moral culpability she's like basically in the clear because she had no okay gotcha yeah yeah this is even worse than the winter soldier program where they can break free of it the you can't break free at all you can't yeah so yeah so this is a minor minor point uh first time task master was uh unmasked he was in the hospital and yeah he was a white guy so that was a later comic that she was showing hmm what a bad terrible villain she is and this is the critique that's driving me the most baddie because i what a bad terrible villain she is i need to just be more specific of people saying she's poorly written or that she is a are they saying that she is not a good villain or that she is not a good character i think to interpret her as a villain as opposed to a victim is to be ignorant of what she represents in this story i'm fine with saying she's a victim you know it's not even what she represents it's what she is yeah she is a shitty villain yeah all right well i meant like that because she's talking about theme is like what do we what do you mean like the thing i'm guessing will be the thing i'm good pick from a fucking basket of thieves will have one exactly well remember it's a key detail in my video where i said those fireflies just waiting for a video assay us to grab them i'm sure she will mm-hmm for a more substantial look at the point of view i'm arguing against here let's reference the closer looks video mainly about the oh here we go buddy i don't have a watch this video but how to waste a villain i totally agree absolutely wasted potential of task master all this claim i'm subscribed to this channel i watched this channel hence why i saw this video with which i happen to disagree which is fine i'm not an avid consumer of opinion based it's amazing it's so fine it mm oh that's wow okay okay boggles the mind that you could have a critic who says that task master in this was not wasted at all full potential really well explored i think that her argument is going to be that she's not a villain at all that you well and tag calling her one that's what i'm saying if there's like semantics we're getting caught in the week the main criticism should be she's just not a particularly good character yeah it's nothing there we'll have to see so we'll see what clips she gives us from good old close look we gotta talk about her she's like oh it's fine to disagree in everything but now there's just an influx of angry men coming to her video and she secured her twitter it's like go fuck yourself no you don't you don't get to say that at all not with that attitude fuck that in venice though there's lots of angry men here right now where see you're so angry metal oh my god drill wasn't you i know a jewel was ever he's cool pretty is not angry he's cool yeah pretty is cool hey sounds pretty angry see when you was like hey stop it see sounds angry it's not angry i'm just it's hurting my feeling it's sad if anything shut up angry man everyone all the time but i do have words i encourage you to watch his video and ensure i'm not misrepresenting anything here but my main takeaway is that he thinks black widow would have been marvel at its best if antonia basically like had agency okay that's not at all what i think that necessarily we have now departed from our agreement with a closer look it was short lives and sweet for those three seconds but it is now gone if you said to me the problem was that taskmaster didn't have her own agency in the film i'd have been like okay that's not even close to what the problems that we were yeah i'm to be fair i'm even fine with the idea that taskmaster is this like automaton thing that that has been controlled is his or her whole life and we break them out at the end or something you can do a lot with that um i just don't think they did a lot with that at all and there's so many more problems in the film holy shit he explains that because natasha is motivated by a want for redemption the impact of her facing off against someone she's wronged is wasted on a villain who can't talk through that theme with her yes um i don't know so before hearing what close look says you could argue that that's suitable in that she's fighting a repercussion of her bad actions even if it is someone without agency sure that's the thing there's a lot that's very deep down when it comes to potential for what they could have done and they just don't do it they don't do anything with this it's totally wasted yep so let's see what close look says the film technically had that dynamic there but the terrible shame is how the film puts absolutely zero energy into exploring it into tasks i fucking hate this voice by this silly ridiculous voice that he puts on like if i was with him in real life i'd be like dude what the fuck are you doing talk like a normal person you're embarrassing us he has a fine normal voice he used it when he came on zero energy and explore it stop it stop using this goddamn fake-ass voice it's it's obnoxious people are starting to stare people the rest of it in our salads i swear to god just don't let's steal epic did you see the epic guy was that close to look that was close to look yeah uh yeah i remember the epic male biting bone chilling the terrible shame is how the film puts absolutely zero energy into task master on black widow actually speaking to each other you know having some kind of i think i agree with that i we could have had a really good scene of them fucking talking to each other with but all she says i think is um is he gone or something like that that's it um there's a lot of things that they could say to each other but we didn't get anything unfortunately actually speaking to each other you know having some kind of debate like not literally debating like obviously uh but like six foot five man and joker had throughout the dark night uh black widow entirely lacks the juicing nuanced conflict that juicing juicing i mean in isolation yeah i've been called for to have them that's pretty what i just said yeah i'm fine with this here when the film is task master is bitter and rightfully resentful because you know black widow crippled her and ruined her life when she was a child i don't know i crippled um i think did was was there any kind of like bodily benefits the suit was giving her like her arms or legs had any bad i don't i don't know i don't think they they don't say it she's just inexplicably insanely strong which when judging the rest of black widow was a movie i think it's just the bad writing she's just inexplicably strong um and he asked for like could you say that she was crippled it's like does it count as being crippled if you get a scar that doesn't do anything other than be a scar no i think i think crippled rely it is referring to you losing some kind of either losing or hindering some level of function that you have like if it took out her eye that would be crippling and what a rise is discolored so you can drink i've said he had to put a chip in your neck as a result of what happened here i always found that line really interesting so i was like what do you what does that mean like what what happened to her that you required a chip to fix it or whatever i don't know if that was meant to be that way i don't know and uh black widow begging forgiveness crushed by guilt as she tries to fight the embodiment of her core character wound but of course taskmaster can't do any of that because she is a literal blank slate who doesn't even have one line of dialogue she has one one at the end um pretty myth but um i saw i'll go to bat with the movie a tiny bit um that one line uh when she says is he gone there's things you can draw from it like oh that's the first thing she says like that means that all that was on her mind was escaping dragoff's like that makes sense i okay sure yeah uh there's just a missed opportunity to not have them talk about anything else she does have one line of dialogue actually but that doesn't necessarily just prove his point it's fair hey copyright yes no like really i need could you answer me from where he's sitting because of their lack of substantial communication black widow has nothing more profound to say about redemption than if you've done true evil in the past don't worry about feeling guilty you're coming to terms with it because in order to find redemption all you have to do is track down the person you wronged and spray some red gunk in the um i don't know what i would i've never even thought about the movie that way like a like what's the movie saying about redemption i've the movie's so broken i never even thought to try and piece together a message it seems tacked on um if any like because it doesn't i don't think it can work like anything you try and draw in terms of like what do you think this film is saying about black widow's redemption i'd be like i don't fucking know she kills more people in this movie than she ever has so i and they're all gonna use the information to try and substantiate themes the movie gets worse and worse and worse as we know exactly yeah i i don't know you know what this will be interesting what is what does julia have to say about the theme in this movie i guess their face let's chat about subtext why than i never say no to her what's that smell i'm gonna pause because i don't know what the fuck this is copyright wise subtext by calvin gline if you're unaware though i imagine you are aware subtext refers to the act of art implying meaning where it isn't implicitly stated while i know that he calls it a red gunk you mean explicitly she means explicitly stated because subtext is often well you see she's she's a very big smart and we wouldn't understand she would try and explain but we wouldn't understand she's a very big right she sounds so angry angry man no i'm not angry at all i have no i'm no i have no anger in my heart at all i got rid of all my anger at the beginning of the stream i have none left it is expended i have to recharge at least 12 hours before they can be okay but you don't have to shout yeah i would my ears hurt i'm incapable of shouting i have no energy left so i need you to come home i'm on back in the battery mode right now help could you be more like stringy he doesn't shout ever yeah some say it's because he's muted but i i know i just think he just doesn't shout i think he doesn't shout he's never shouted before ever implicitly stated well i know that he calls it a red gunk for a punch line i'd like to make it clear that the thematic importance of this red dust cannot be overstated okay i'm looking forward to this like one weekend what's happening to me we're introduced to it about 20 minutes into the film when what it symbolizes is shown instead of told to us we see it reunite right it's not symbolic of the red gunk that's symbolic of the character and the relationship that they supposedly used to have but there's nothing to do with the red gunk is an accessory that's attached to the red gunk is different just because they are proximinally close to each other does it mean that they are necessarily thematically related i'm gonna listen to that again because i didn't even catch that she said that implying meaning where it isn't implicitly stated while i know that he calls it a red gunk for a punch line i'd like to make it clear that the thematic importance of this red dust cannot be overstated we're introduced to it about 20 minutes into the film when what it symbolizes is shown instead of told to us we see it reunite rightful fan favorite yelena's rightful fan favorite rightful fan favorite her character is ridiculous i like the idea that it's she's basically decided that it's an earned position like uh-huh when her character is awful they're all awful so it's it's symbolic of uniting her with her personhood with her bodies it's like what a way to say it undoes the mind stuff the red goo breaks you free of the mind control okay because like i feel like you can do this with everything of course you can do it with anything you know finn saying he had a feeling and that's why he stopped being an evil stone troopers for like that is symbolic of the force representing the uniting of personhood with their body like what i was just about to mention that she sounds like your american voice muller like she sounds like a mockery of americans apparently don't have free will shut up the point is i've never i've never had control over my own life before can i just say i fucking hate her delivery of that line just just listen again look at her face when she describes to you she's never had free will before with her body widows apparently don't have free will shut up the point is i've never i've never had control over my own life before and now i do i want to do things i hate it so much she's talking like she's getting out of a stuffy christian household yeah now she's like going out with her sister to a male strip club or some shit i've always worn jackets and now i'm not okay good for you j long mona is about to say the same pretty much the same thing like it sounds like a teenager saying like i've got classes for four hours and you never let me do anything because you know i'm always so busy and everything like that it's not the right tone for that sort of i've never had free will before yeah i mean i want to do stuff let's do stuff like oh yeah okay do you want to like get an ice cream it's like yeah maybe i don't know it's so much stool that's fun i like your buster god i knew it i knew you did it's so cool right and yes their oppression can easily be read as representing patriarchal oppression in the real world i'll okay okay behind okay it's hard not to read the red room's methods of capture as commentary on sex trafficking yes of course can you please go further than that i beg you because you can't because there's nothing in the movie just just try this is so frustrating like the that's in force awakens the people are forced into the stormtrooper program if you will it's like you see this is common train on like sex trafficking except this time their bodies are used for war you're like uh yeah i guess if you say so it just would easily be about enlistment and and uh the draft that's probably more appropriate to that yeah there are stories that have so much more to say on these subjects this is just it's there it's like okay what is it being there means like it's there like right the moulin rouge thing so anyone uh and here watched the uh kind of somewhat obscure show it's by some of the same guys who made uh it crowds called uh garth merengue's dark place i uh i haven't seen it but i know about it yeah one quote i love about it it's kind of like a mockumentary sort of uh it's basically steven king like a british steven king who's full of himself and made a shitty horror show in the 80s and it's like a mockumentary of that um but one line of love from that is uh he was talking about his own writing he's like uh how what's the line is like i've known i've known many who use writers who use subtext and they were all cowards cowards yeah it's because his writing was extremely on the nose they're such things the way they target the least protected most vulnerable types of girls and reproductive do you mean young girls or do you mean people that's left in the streets i get you know it just feels weird to say that it's like i mean yeah that's pretty vulnerable yeah rights are addressed head on even as a lead addition to the script is it your time of the i don't get my period dipshit she thinks this is actually going to be praising this again why do people keep praising the scene it's yeah really it's a it's a fucking horrendous scene and yeah i mean cinema wins praise this i mean you could make the argument and in in uh in uh support of this film for a second that they're not attached to their uterus and they're like their femininity because it was stripped from them from them at such a young age before to even probably probably before to even hit puberty i don't know what age they do this shit at but like they don't they don't have that connection to womanhood like that so they just talk about it so flippantly i mean it could be a like it's like like some kind of dark humor and that but but then on the flip side you're like this is marvel and there's no way in hell they thought i was gonna say that deeply about it age of ultron says it's the last thing they do before officially becoming a black widow so they're usually like they're not kids at that point um oh okay and not to mention she seems to care about it immensely natasha and then in this movie because they're doing a joke she doesn't give a fuck at all really yeah okay regardless regardless yeah i forgot age of ultron most people try that's the one thing i remember from age of ultras like wasn't there a scene where she was like really upset about this i didn't know it wasn't age of ultron but i remember the scene yeah i mean regardless of the empowerment angle and like oh i don't have to be uh measured by my you know fertility whatever the it's an extremely invasive it's got it's got to be an extremely invasive medical procedure that was done against your will exactly and you when you you've been permanently changed and an entire choice of lifestyle has been removed from your your possibilities uh wow having kids is a lifestyle wow how generous how generous to like consider this scene as like commentary on sexual liberation or or um fertility being removed and what it means for woman i just be like it's just a shit joke that's what this scene is yeah i don't have a uterus or over if yeah that's what happens when the red room gives you an involuntary history oh and it's so like clunky too yeah i really do hate this annoying directly we almost see the red gunk in action again about 40 minutes in when yelena intends to free a fellow widow with it yep she didn't do for any of the other ones yeah so i mean we own this this is a good old-fashioned like these videos of wife have exists uh they refuse to acknowledge things that fuck up their view of the film and it's really annoying talk about it um and then they will acknowledge it if it's a film they didn't like like that that system is so pathetic it's like you're not being consistent at all and then we already know this like i'm not making this up because of the fucking rags comment where she's just like i ignore it it didn't bother me it's like that's great it's there though and yeah also isn't this uh kind of an epic but isn't didn't they say that they're under permanent mind control uh while in the red room therefore they can't uh they don't know where it is if so would she even know that she had a historic i mean not gonna talk to her about it i guess i guess you'd find out there i think you might be able to know that as a black widow um they just don't know how to get to the red room apparently but i thought i thought there was a there's a quote in there saying that nobody knows where the red room is because they're all under my control no they don't know because they're um knocked out on entry and exit oh that's how they said okay maybe i can by the way we've got a quarter of video left she's barely spoken about the storm yeah yeah to self-terminate this moment is so important as far as my interpretation of black widow's themes is concerned because it just kills my brain well because yeah let's find out because here we see Natasha and Yelena attempt to save a fellow widow and agree that they can't hear their motivation to take down is established liberating their sisters correct that's the problem well first of all you don't you don't need that they already had enough of a reason like up to this point i would say i agree with you and that was why i was waiting for this to be explicit in my video so that i could say like we know now instead of just assuming that that was the case um yeah but it just fucks with all the previous scenes where they didn't do anything to help any of the other widows when they had the perfect opportunity to exactly they had so many chances to save other widows and they didn't need to try and then at the end of the film they destroy all the vials potentially dooming the rest of the widows it's like oh lucky we got two which is just enough to be okay but again to me that just fucks with the characters significantly she's like yeah but if you don't think about it well i think i think the thing is it's an instance of the film doesn't it's like the almost this sense that the film doesn't acknowledge these things therefore you won't slash shouldn't if you did which is just not the way that i think the best example that right um high top saying it's bad faith to interpret what the woman 84 is having a rape in it and that's an instance of like i'm sorry that's that's what it is what happened i think it's hopefully i think it's texas to view to interpret it it has not seeing it that way so there we could play this game all day i think i think it's just i i'm like the i i'm not i'm neither on or against a film when i'm watching it you know like it's it's it's kind of neutral and where it goes kind depends on what happens in the story you know like you started a five and then go up or down from there you start from a place of neutrality i mean yeah i think the film's events are much more important than the fucking music or the camera angles telling you what you're supposed to feel yep and it was like you clearly it's a happy scene with wonder woman you're not supposed to think a rape happened i'm just like you're like a child i don't know what to say yeah you want to test it you want to be like you know like the end of order 66 scene instead of the like and play happy music yeah just like a really celebratory party music while everyone's getting killed you're like it's fine the jedi are kind of dicks if you think about it i mean no how many others enough it's no coincidence that 10 minutes later is when they embark on their mission you see what have you yeah what have you stated happened what you've been you stated that there was actual time well all that she stated is there was a first act break and then we shortly thereafter we move into the second act to be even dumber than that i say she stated like they want to help other black widows and then they decide to do that what what a great film is she like commenting on the pacing or something or like you know the 30 minute mark initial incident or is she just saying that things happened in a certain amount of time this is the thing that i get criticized for all the time is all i say is things happened but i mean it seems like that's all you're doing yo asserts something else i'd like to address that we really are done with that we're moving on to the next point okay tasha wants to kill dragov out of revenge like making it worse the only motivation that hashes have that's driven the plot is a revenge motivation to kill the villain dragov well she wants to save the black widows um yeah so he's wrong i don't know why he's saying that yeah like she's explicit that she wants to save the black widows but she also wants to kill dragov that's definitely a thing too and in the end natasha never actually gets to kill dragov instead her sister does like while black widow watches from it uh do you guys have any thoughts on that or i'm not um i mean it's fine that she doesn't do it personally because i would think she'd understand that her sister has just as much reason to kill dragov as she does agreed well i feel like i get i get the impression that this is the logic of well she's the protagonist she should do it but then my mind immediately goes iron man one pepper kills uh obadiah obadiah not tony in fact there are a lot of movies where technically he does tell pepper to do what she does and iron man three which is shit but nevertheless pepper kills killian man kills killian that's uh yeah she she uses oh that part so fucking strange she like puts on an iron man arm and uses the repulsor perfectly in relation to like a rocket she finds which is weird that's not how it's supposed like if it's uh as if i didn't have any they all operate on their own on that at that point don't they i guess i don't know the distance passive ask was it whiplash kills himself um yeah see this so well nobody doesn't know right sorry whiplash doesn't kill himself no tony and and uh and rody do that yeah they oh do you mean the bomb they're self-destruct yeah he does that but oh he does do that actually oh yeah so he does wait oh was he dead was he like alive and it wasn't dead he was alive he he's like bleeding out right oh no i don't think he's bleeding out he's just lying on the ground like you got me my suit doesn't work i'm gonna kill you now okay my bad i all i remember is that shot of them blowing up the two repulsors yeah and if i remember he didn't have his mask down he's a fucking idiot yeah see oh she's put that there i thought that was something that um hold on could we just rewind a couple of seconds we can't and in the end natasha never actually gets to kill drake off but instead her sister does like while black widow watches from a distance passive as can be one so so julia is making fun of him for saying like you call this passive it's like um well in terms of active and passive it is passive because yelena is the person who is acting here feeling yeah black widow is choosing to do nothing um like widow is trying to tell her not to do something which is not yeah it's not i mean i think of course i think it's fair to if the dichotomy of these two characters liya lane is the active one that's that's fine to me i'm just not a fan of the overall point that black widow should be the one to kill drake i was like i don't know that it's it's more that active passive stuff that i just yeah yeah i think that alina had was 100 invested in killing drake off that's not a problem i would find the agreements in yeah because she probably she actually had more reason she's been under my control longer than natasha has so if anything she's more invested in taking out yeah because i my my problem is like uh you know with seven season arcs like you know john snow and game of thrones being completely ruined and having that kind of payoff stolen from him that's more my my where i get kind of ticked off is when you have a clear uh setup and and arc to leading to a destination and then somebody else just snaps it up that's kind of an equivalent i guess you could say is like you know veda luke the emperor scene and then fucking han solo breaks into the room and just snipes the emperor dead we'd be like what like it's like yeah he got him it's like yeah i'm like okay that's good yeah i guess i got him right yeah i guess you and luke can go now veda's just like goodbye sister does like while black widow watches from a distance passive as can be while it happens revenge has been detaches main motivation throughout the film and the resolution to this is a total damp squib as he's indirectly killed by an explosion that she didn't cause as i mean i would say that is directly killed but that feels weird yeah like if i throw a grenade it goes off and then the resulting wreckage of something kills you actually like i mean i killed you know yeah if i shoot you indirectly the bullet that i fired happened to fly through the air and then hit you causing an injury to your heart that you then died from in your room i mean well it feels like hey in grand theft auto three when i shoot the petrol tank and then the car explodes i indirectly killed you because all i did was shoot the petrol tank the car exploding was unrelated like here the explosion was caused by elena and then the chain killed like she tried and she had intent it's direct i was going to say it feels much more to say indirectly if i'm demolishing an old building and someone is in there without my knowledge yeah well yeah it has a lot to do with it it might be the determining factor is intent she definitely intended to kill drakoff with this move oh yeah and um yeah i don't agree with closer look here he's making it seem like we really had to have natasha do it i don't think we did which i don't agree yeah deaths go drakoff's was the opposite of satisfying and if there were to ever be any i was never gonna be satisfied by his yeah i didn't care about him he was a fucking worthless character i don't know how you could have a satisfying death at the end for drakoff because i just didn't really care about him as a villain kind of story well you had to give a satisfying villain death it would have to be in a revenge movie i find there to be no why is he speaking like that we've been over this fine villain death you would have to be in a revenge movie like what was going on i don't have an answer if you're fringy i don't know i can't tell you don't have the answers evidence to support that claim except that she would have a cause for wanting revenge if she did which she never implies she does what we have in the text she never implies she has reasons i would say that she implies i would say that there is at least an implication i would i would say that her main motivation is saving the black widows but to say that there is no desire for revenge at all she absolutely does she definitely does yeah absolutely sorry i just want to know exactly what she said there you know textual evidence to support that claim except that she would have a cause for wanting revenge who are we talking about yelena or natasha i think she doesn't she explicitly say she wants to go kill drakoff in the restaurant scene if you call that i think she does i'm almost certain she explicitly says it i don't know how you can kind of story well you have well yeah she definitely wants she she's about to kill him so we can conclude she wants to kill him right i think that's a safe conclusion okay yeah he killed them once is that she thought she killed him so well i'm talking about exactly when she's about to stab him with her pickaxe and then she gets stopped it's like so she was gonna kill her like yeah absolutely unless she knew and if you say like we can't know she wanted to kill him we can only know that she was going to kill him i'd be like what the fuck are we doing we can only know that she wanted to put her pickaxe through him whether that kills him or not that's not of relevance what are we doing have to be in a revenge i find there to be no textual evidence to support that claim except that she would have a cause for wanting revenge if i think it's so obvious that she would clearly want to get drakoff it would be bizarre if she didn't i think so i'm pretty sure her point here is there is nothing in the story except that she would logically want her is that am i hearing that right or am i i think my opinion it's hard to decipher what she means but i think she's disagreeing with closely looks point while also saying that the only thing that backs us point up is that natasha would want to kill drakoff right which is that's that is in text then like whether or not you say that there's no explicit line you don't need an explicit line it just follows like yeah we you know the way that we we intend to assume that characters will act in a certain way unless indicated otherwise like i.e. if we have a character who i don't know like their their husband or their wife dies we would assume that they're going to be upset about that unless and if not we would need to be shown otherwise because it is abnormal human behavior yeah i mean she's got the motivation she was imprisoned and enslaved by this man her her sister was and it's one more time one more time i think i need one more time okay to ever be any kind of story where you had to give a satisfying villain death it would have to be in a revenge movie i find other to be no textual evidence to support that claim except that she would have a cause for wanting revenge if she did which she never implies she does what we have oh so so that is her point then she is saying that there is nothing in the story except that it makes sense that she would but there is a story isn't there they so like we're going to go just to clarify right and i will decide how important this is in a moment but this is directly from the script the speech is not really my thing huh the red lines just mean it's natasha who's more like an invitation to go to the red room and kill drakoff yeah even though the red room is impossible to find he's just like to kill yeah yeah and so now i'm to be as best faith as possible she's saying yes we know they want to kill drakoff but we don't know that it's for revenge we'd be like okay what would you say this is an revenge movie that's the most closer looks assumption is that this is a revenge repeat i would be i would happily say i don't i don't know that i categorize it as a revenge movie but then again i've always felt uncomfortable categorizing it as a spy movie it's just like is it really okay yeah there's not a lot of spiness in this spy movie it's like not a soldier it's not yeah yeah if you were to categorize it as a revenge movie there's obviously motivation for both characters to want to kill drakoff the person who imprisoned them for much of their absolutely i think they hate him i think they hate the fuck out of that guy yeah absolutely i was in their position i wanted to kill them it makes complete sense yeah yeah they explicitly said i should do that so when she says there's no evidence other than they want to kill them like that's such a weird and nonsensical statement oh there's no evidence that you want to kill the person despite the fact that you want to kill them and he said so yourself it's like okay i mean i don't think that would hold up within a police investigation and it's like uh do you have a modem no i don't i don't want to i would never kill that man i spite me saying that i want to kill that man you know i don't know seems pretty silly to me in the text are scenes upon scenes laying bare how tragic it is that widow's lives are stolen how tragic it is that melina has been doing this herself is that gonna come up i doubt that'll come up because it'll fuck with your narrative uh oh spaghetti oh i hate you i just want to make sure that's made clear and i hate you i want you to die horribly oh well do you know i was cycled through the red room four times before you oh man it must suck to be cycled through the fucking red room huh yeah that must be really bad if somebody do that i mean you would know firsthand how awful it is yep i mean i would imagine that you'd never want to inflict such torments on any other innocent person ever oh yeah you more than anyone else no well she's just a horrible person i was never given a choice well except she had free will i'm like the people whose free will use strips from them her level of agency is absolutely just oh there's so much she could do there is so fucking much she could do her agency is high enough that she is accountable she like i'm not talking about that i'm talking about all of the options she has to save these people of course she has first and foremost defect that would be a great start yep but never mind like you worked on like what i did you can help yeah exactly yeah you worked on the mind control you can figure out an antidote you could give it a shot no she gets she gets away with it because she's trying to be like yeah i mean you know mind control doesn't it sucks like were you mind control she's like huh mind control sucks doesn't it uh yes i was mind controlled i could not do anything i was a slave for the right and hearing hearing her say i didn't have a choice like oh i could punch you seriously like you had a choice you're a lying liar it wasn't like a a great choice but you had one it's like that meme it's like whoopsie you did a war crime oh man my bad it wasn't my fault i got cycled through the red room four times you were just born in a cage but that's not your fault what it's fine we have is to support the claim that not a single widow is a villain because none but natasha to be fair are responsible for their actions melena is definitely responsible well i appreciate it no i appreciate it putting that in there um she put on melena is responsible it's like good oh did she i didn't hear the thing is it was it was half a second of text oh that's just showing it just show you again oh i mean you forgot them when you were given the choice yeah she forgot but at least it's in there in the form of text in a split second that most people who have no idea even happened record a line it takes like it's not it's not even just that i'm just annoyed at the fact that there's no explicit mention of how horrible the piece of shit melena is these video s is always avoid it so important oh yeah you have to avoid it because the film really collapses under the weight of that well that's that among many things your fault i'm i'm inclined to agree because fringy is the most morally aware person on the pot if i heard it from anybody else i don't know if i'd buy it but i think coming from him it makes a lot of sense you made a smart choice ragu yeah fringy keeping an on screen you're about to see it it's gonna whiz by evidence to support the claim that not a single widow is a villain because none but natasha to be fair she didn't even know at the beginning she had to edit it well so that's the problem is it's like that is important because a big thrust like she's one of the main characters in the film that's a big detail you need to go back and you need to not be lazy you need to re-edit that with you saying it especially that is a big aspect well the reality is if you wrote the script and you forgot about that it might be worthwhile to think oh shit i actually probably should like reconsider whether this changes my whole point yeah why am i forgetting the subject that that's a really big deal i had a whole section dedicated how much of a piece of shit that woman is yeah like if we well i mean this whole video one of the big things talking about theme is like the lack of agency when one of the main characters has a lot of agency and is very responsible yeah you can't ignore that role that you played it's not just that she's a unit being used to do things it's that she invented the mind control uh-huh she is very responsible she is like if we're talking about an army she she she ain't even like a sergeant she's she's above that she's no lieutenant she's like she's above captain you know what she's she's very high up she didn't install any fail safes at all she didn't make it so that if someone says you know apple you're released and you're like oh fuck sweet that's right and that's always an option people did that in real life like when they're on the inside of regimes found ways to sneak in things to help the people but she didn't even try no and remember she she but she turned in she turned in uh nat and jelena and she only changed her mind after that conversation yep she would have sold them up the river she would have sent them back to have their free will strip from them yep and the only reason she didn't is because of that conversation what a monster or down the river oh uh down the river what i want to know that is why why down the river why not up maybe it's easier i guess it is easier yeah but if you send them up the river they're going to the mountains right so that's going to be harder for them to i guess down the river you add to the ocean though you can't really go down a river though but that's a long way down the river but uh well it depends where you put them in the river look let's just split and say across the river i'll sold you across the river when they usually have a character like melina uh my immediate thought goes to you know characters like it's a it's a kind of archetype but my media thought is like rogue one for example the guy who designs the dust star he was doing it because he was he was forced to and at the family with friends right the threat that was killing this family usually there's always some sort of blackmail or you know promise promise of something that you know okay you better design this bomb or we're going to kill everybody that you love and know like i'm one but she but she had but she had nothing she had no family to speak of her fake family she didn't really care about obviously so she really had no reason to be doing what she was doing and like you said yeah she had no failsafe so she was just basically creating the ultimate weapon against people's you know free will and subconscious doing these horrible experiments while having no impetus to do so she was completely free willed outside of the red room right yeah but she felt like she couldn't make her own choices until black widow herself said pain makes you stronger hey oh that was it you unlock two niceness good job sweet it's like a dialogue option it's like you've got a 56 percent chance to come in easy it's like it's your power gone choice that talks them down pretty much melina invented mind control in a cave with a box of scraps where did you learn how to mind control on a farm in a cave you're constructed right that is or a fortress this is a music line the the diawad yeah cause none but natasha to be fair are responsible for their actions our protagonists never strive to defeat them only to free them and when they are freed none of the actions they took under the influence will say are held against them naturally of course you don't need to explain this this is basic i like how she says that they never try to defeat them they only ever try to free them not true in the apartment they're just trying to defeat them yes they throw a grenade they throw a grenade at two of them and that's the thing you could be like well it you know there was no chance of doing the gas stuff and it's like okay but they are trying to defeat them you agree right even if you conclude yeah that he's like they try to kill them and of course when melina blew up the red room that could have tried and killed all of the these black widows but she's not again all of the evil things she does and she just gets to walk away and this this analysis just avoids them because it doesn't work melina is i'm gonna do a simpsons reference melina is you know like all opposed me is like who keeps saying that and the crowd said around it's like and it's drakoff and melina it was him let's get him fellas to me this is much more story about solidarity and family than it is redemption but regardless the soup man redemption family femininity the patriarchy sex trafficking it's like yeah yeah you can just keep saying these words without substantially in any of it good job yeah like and subscribe the room is about friends and family it totally is relationships redemption betrayal oh that's not a masterpiece i fucking dare you think it has something profound to say about redemption more profound no way no that's praying red gunk is the answer okay tell me what it has to say because i don't have because melina has a what it it's gonna be very difficult from the what's that it's not like she said like i hope we have convinced you it's like we haven't even gotten to the argument yet oh we we haven't got it yeah i definitely i want to get into this well that's it so she's she's she's done like the the opening of the essay you know we like you make your propositions known and now we're on to like the argument of you know we're trying to get the points like all right we're done because all you've done is state things you haven't qualified them at all and well very minimum yeah more profound anyway than that spraying red gunk is the answer because i hope by now i've convinced you the red gunk symbolizes freedom the reveal what wow incredible it doesn't symbolize freedom it is it just it releases them from my control like why it doesn't symbolize anything it is freedom why do they do this health in the show because if you say if you say symbolism that that like earns you more points on the analysis thing even though all you've done is state what is a symbolism is is the red room and the kind of you know not so subtle subtext of you know the whole hollywood you know abuse of women etc things like that but the the red gunk is what they call in show business the macguffin or McMuffin whatever you want to call it right it's literally just a tool to to free the the widows like it's it's not in itself the red gunk means nothing it's the freedom that that's the point of everything well like it's not symbolism though because symbolism is like a dove you know like the the imagery of like a dove is usually like in a film that symbolism or something or like uh some sort of object what it does literally in the story is like that's not symbolism that's what it is symbolism would be anything that you can interpret on top of that because it doesn't represent freedom it is freedom like it is in the story yeah like symbolism a good example that is like every single frame of superman in his exciter film is symbolism for jesus christ yeah that's symbolism but it's shit symbolism but no it's not good it's not good it's symbolism doesn't be clever but it's it's very much symbolism yeah yeah i just feel like this this red gunk symbolizes freedom instead of just just saying what did it like yeah it's so pretentious i don't know what else to say yeah i know like i was just gonna say like if for example you had to like press your hand on the for some reason you had to press your hand with a certain thing on somebody's like temple or their head uh to free them from the uh the mind control that could be more symbolistic of like being saved or something like that you want to go that route but as far as the now i don't think the black the black or the red goo really looks like anything or represents anything other than just being heard from the mind control so oh no that was your yay you made it the red symbolizes freedom that task master is dragoff's daughter immediately recontextualizes her role in the story i suppose up until she's free we can well yes like yeah it's just it's sad as though it's this really big compliment to the movie when it could have been a velociraptor and i'd be like that recontextualizes a lot of this yeah it really does turns out it was a dragoff clone but slimmer and more fit and younger oh this is technically working against the interests of our protagonists but the notion of her being a villain dies with the notion of her being tony from this point forward she's no more being tony than every other widow we've i honestly think this this whole section of the video about matt task master only exists because i guess closer looks should have called her an antagonistic force instead of a villain right which he wouldn't he wouldn't agree there's like he wouldn't disagree with the idea that um she's not really a classic like villain archetype when she doesn't have any agency he'd be like yeah that's yeah that's fine well it would apply to like a robot right like she's not a robot a villain because the robot doesn't have how come how come she has her glowing red band on the left arm and the others have it on the right arm that's maybe she's like a lieutenant one you know oh that's not high right seal it depends on your skin color they'll go in different arms or legs well no the black one back there she has a on on the right she's blackish not as black that's what i mean oh it's literally your skin tone determines if you fall on this side of the graph then it's on the left hand side if you're on this side of the graph you get a head man drakoff is a dick yeah i know it's so unnecessary i sure i can't wait for a satisfying end to his story i know right when he explodes in a helicopter um so with the i think the mistake that uh the closer look made is just semantics semantically like uh that taskmaster was more of a heavy or or a henchman whereas drakoff was the villain what i'm quote like yeah but you can't have more than one villain this is the so this is the thing now we might have to stop pushing back because i know that when you go on like top villain lists terminators show up and it's like terminators can't be considered villains if they're programmed right oh how yeah villain is generally used pretty loosely yeah i almost interchangeably with villain antagonists a lot of the time yeah a lot of i understand why she has said this but i do also be like how do you not know that that's obviously he doesn't mean you know what i mean like give him some charity voting a lot of time in your video to this distinction and i'm like calm down nobody's disagreeing really i feel like it's like you know she doesn't have agencies so saying she's villainous implies she has agency when she doesn't and i should be like so obviously you should just interpret that he doesn't mean she's a villain with agency yeah and and honestly like when you look at the definition of antagonist it's a person who actively opposes or is hostile to someone or something and adversary not the and so there are many antagonists in black widow anybody who's essentially chasing after them or trying to fight them or trying to kill them are antagonists you know so yeah like in civil war you could say that ross is an antagonist and that he's opposed to like our pov character or at least our main character yeah you know winter soldier for example winter soldier is obviously an antagonist but really the person the person who's probably the villain yeah yeah redford would be quote unquote the villain but they're both antagonists yeah and that's things someone said winter soldier as a villain i wouldn't like i wouldn't be so invested to make a fucking video all about how they're wrong because he doesn't have enough agency i'd be like all right calm down i don't think that's what they meant semantically yeah maybe semantically you could be wrong but honestly villain no a villain according to marine webster a character in a story or play who opposes the hero so it's the same definition yeah that makes them wrong but were they angry definitely if they wrote a whole book about words they wrote a whole very angry basically the biggest biggest well actually ever done actually but yeah no a character in a story or play that opposes the hero so honestly both of them are villains so yeah oh they're all villains all the all the bad people are villains people that not the necessarily bad people the people that are against the main character are villains with all of the time that i've had to process this image that's on screen more and more things don't seem correct for instance they have their guns out and are pointing them but they also have guns that are in the holsters on their left leg so i guess they just got extra guns they got one side oh do they have oh they have dual guns wow so that doesn't make sense um also um so wait so they they have a they do have a gun on each so if they need an extra gun they have an extra gun that's available they can fire both at the same time right that's like double damage oh oh that is double damage with no with no accuracy penalty either that's incredible the black widows they can aim both at the same time once that's true they're that good this always baffled me in the movie how they're just in this room doing this like Cirque du Soleil bullshit with their glocks and i don't know what this is supposed to do in terms of training also that is to get shot in the back there look at that the one to the right he's just gonna shoot the the redhead to the left is this some kind of like like yoga of a kind this is combat yoga where you just point your guns at things randomly well they're practicing aiming and posing it's like exactly it's strange yeah it is very strange that they're practicing because practicing aiming and posing like but generally when you practice aiming in order to assure that your aim is good you're either firing or you are you can dry fire in order to minimize the amounts of wiggle that your gun will make when you actually pull the trigger but it doesn't seem to be what they're doing here unlike having multiple targets sort of moving up and down left and right and appearing a different way to chest your reaction time and stuff you could do that uh i don't know if there are any targets in this room because they're all aiming at different things yeah and they and they flip around sometimes and they fix the other way and they do weird things with their legs and they slowly spin around aren't someone saying that it's supposed to mirror the ballet they used to do when they were kids why would that be important i don't know so some of you did ballet that will be irrelevant and will not be ever brought up again this is a gun we're going to teach you how to shoot it well that guncotta in equilibrium so maybe this is gun yoga you know guncotta countered which is the significance of her when Natasha realizes that she didn't just kill a little girl but doomed her to experience a worse version of the same trauma she herself experienced that's when saving her freeing her consciousness becomes unnegotiable why would that change yeah that doesn't change anything they're freeing all of the black widows then taskmasters included yeah forgot to mention that this is a clear and powerful reversal of leaving her to die by explosion what she didn't really i don't know i don't know this is meaningful she didn't do this on purpose it just sort of just happened she was like oh i'm here though hello i'll release you it was like we've gotten it incorrect at multiple levels so first off she blew her up like she blew up draykov's daughter she didn't leave her to die as she yeah she blew her up and here yeah like you just said she stumbled here um because Milena was totally okay i was just leaving her to die even though yeah to make my criticism clear because someone could be like she still chose to remove it from the cell i was like yeah but i'm saying she didn't intend to get here this was not a part of her goals her intention was just to escape exactly she didn't really know where she didn't give a fuck about taskmasters well-being yeah until now yeah a better version of this would have been uh Milena's like i need to blow it now or this thing needs to go down and be like okay give me 10 minutes and then the rush rush against time or her sneaking back in and finding her and releasing her you do blow it up and everyone's getting to their escape vehicles and she knows because Milena tells her that like i just escaped taskmaster locked them up in the blah blah blah cell and she locked them up and then she's like don't fucking waste your life saving her and then Natasha's like i have to you know yeah yeah fuck you Milena yeah i'll fucking deal with you later believe it Milena is like full-on Nuremberg trials that uh oh yeah when you think about it like she would have absolutely been taken in it's like okay so at what point during your many years of not being under direct mind control did you develop all these weapons of of mass terror and mind control and everything it's very very disturbing how much she gets away with this in this movie it's okay i know you're still there and i know you're six plus six foot five male nothing comes of that by the way when she says i know there's still you in there that's just like oh you still need the red dust you can't do anything without that which again i think is another missed opportunity in the movie where they like winter's see winter still to Nuremberg was doing at least in some ways because like that that's a great thing to have him be like bucky and then he pauses and he's like what the fuck is fucking with his brain because of course it won't and but like this this this movie was just like no there's just no hope if they're fucked you know like oh well that's that's like you're wasting perfect opportunities for storytelling just FYI this is like magic magic mind control whereas winter soldier was basically programming you know which you can deprogram somebody you have enough time i just think it's way more interesting to the you can get and it makes for the payoff i actually like with steve refuses to kill winter soldier and would rather die than do it and she's like hey yeah great stuff i guess me choked up when i see that part of what's like how she might be in there um what's the name of the daughter again gillian's daughter that's that's her name jacob's daughter jacob's daughter what's her name of the jacob's daughter it's like anna tony i think anna tony um anna that's just anna and tony put together anna tony why so anna the fuck what was oh yeah so black widow says anna tony i know that you're in there somewhere and in much the same way in a metal level we're all going oh nat i know that you're in there somewhere because this film is so bad and it ruins her character oh anna tony and antonia that's okay antonia anna tony what the fuck oh yes all all of you are gonna call me out until chat did it for you yeah sit down all of you sit the fuck down chat i got you buddy you did it body remember her name she's drake off's daughter that's what her name is her name is amatolia get it right please i'm not the lea oh i guess i'm sorry i'm sorry it's honestly hard for me to understand how people watch this and don't see a movie putting energy into exploring what it is to grapple with they don't explore that they don't explore it i just turned it around i can't understand how anybody can watch the movie and feel like it's really purposeful and intelligent commentary on any of these things you just you hear the one line and that's it problem solved the the film has explored the concept because it said a line bulge reminds me of a certain movie about freedom of security just saying oh my god entering to captain america the winter soldier the cat the movie that is terrible yes oh my god that is bad not explore the thing people say it does but they feel it did they do feel it done did yes we see natasha spray red gunk into antonia's face and we don't see them debate their moral philosophies but what i gather from that is that black widow's opinion on redemption is that your personal feelings of regret and your words of apology are not as important as the tangible action you can take to right your wrongs where was that in the film that would be a really interesting and cool thing for me if it was in the film yeah they never do that this isn't in the movie this doesn't exist you made that up there is no conversation about these things like even vaguely i don't know that it's even i don't even like that idea like it's like you know saying that yasari isn't as important as doing the action is like well yes but saying you're sorry it's also worth something like what the hell i mean there's no she's saying she's saying this as like a response to how there's barely any fucking discussions in this film on these topics it's like yeah because they're not as important as the action it's like you don't have to not have them yeah like in all the characters recognize that it's not as important as the action it's like oh right because like oh god if she relates this to like a lexie it's like you see he doesn't get to speak throughout the whole film because it's his actions that are more important like i never even knew how he felt about any of the shit thanks to that i just saw him doing stuff ugh i think this theme is also present when it comes to natasha and gelina's parents i keep hearing about how unfair it is how quickly they're forgiven for their evil acts yes 100 percent 10 000 1 billion percent they were right until this is easy move on and i am more sympathetic towards that opinion because finally they do have done evil but i'm this is an understatement but okay you have done the idea that you want to convey your bad at deciding what words to use also convinced their pseudo-redemptions help my point we don't mean pseudo-redemption pseudo-redemption how do they help your point so what i could only imagine she's gonna say we don't get to talk about what they should blah blah blah it's just about them acting and they do redemption tizm but like i just kind of that with they escape at the end they escape justice yeah that there's no accountability so you can't win this one julia i'm sorry so like so like uh the the idea is that you can't criticize uh a work because they try to say talk about important things or say important things watch berdemik berdemik is a very very on the nose uh has a very very on the nose uh message about climate change and you know taking care of the environment or else the environment will bite back you but it's also a movie about evil birds that will like peck at you that are the worst CGI you've ever seen and it's it's a completely farcical movie but because they have those ideas that doesn't make it you know ideas are great executions everything it doesn't matter what ideas you have you know you have to be able to follow that up with proper execution as long as you say the words family redemption sacrifice um betrayal reboot family or you just have a little a little puppet you know to just explain the spell out the entire the entire message of the movie the entire theme of the movie was this all just said i was delayed seed but she let taskmaster get captured by raw she's in jail probably not malina it's like yep just hilarious the one without agency gets to go to prison like what the fuck now oh geez good oh cool also convinced their pseudo redemptions at my point we don't see this family reach peace by having effective heart to hearts quite the opposite actually we see quite the opposite actually why are you speaking like that stop it this is the scene no Alexi desperately to communicate with these girls but it's just not working the first moment of real understanding we see between him and Yelena comes about through an action not words that's literally words he's gonna sing a song if we're gonna say action in form of song song then speaking his action exactly yeah that's really funny that she had to account for that she was like okay it's words but songs that's different at the by the time you have to do three of the text edits you know you're like baby I see between him and Yelena comes about through an action not words I love that well words in the form of a song well well words in the your entire point is wrong yep she just fucked over entire point there nice that's so it's in the form of a song she just said well lyrics he had one job it's the day the music I wonder if she'll mention who came up with this yeah that would be awkward he's never successful in reciting his because none of the characters take him in seriously they don't let him finish they don't let him speak yep like you're saying this like it's a really meaningful thing which is like no it's everyone's being an asshole to him and this thing he's not even a great person he's just someone who's trying to speak apologetic monologue because he's busy being interrupted by the actions he's taking he's busy being interrupted by the actions I don't understand she just spoke Chinese I don't see here is so busy being interrupted by the oh no hey that's a callback I'm not I'll make what I'm making fun of Peruvians no I thought you were just doing your voice acting again for Gotham high yeah that's right I'm uncle Alfred and you're super gay masterful uncle uncle uncle uncle oh my own words for a second he is uncle alcohol the Alfred though yeah I'm gonna use that line every next time somebody calls me up a cold call advertiser I'd be like I'm sorry I'm being interrupt I'm busy being interrupted on my vacation you know I have to work 40 hour a week that's that's my them interrupting things I really want to do so sorry see you later I'm busy being interrupted by the things that I do that's just me interrupting myself I guess but that doesn't sound as poetic things aren't solved by woods instead they're solved by lyrics which are like woods but they aren't their actions but by actions we mean words or more specific lyrics yeah so I'm glad we've learned a lot today it is wrong Natasha and Jelena's parents find peace with them because they helped dismantle the system of oppression they created which was essentially the best they could do at that point that's never talked about the idea that that's why they did any of this that it's the best I don't even know why Alex he's doing anything in this movie he never really makes it clear he's just running around doing stuff just hanging out being made fun of that's his job his job is to be just put down I said this in the video the closest I could find to a motivation is he wants to fight just in general like yeah fighting stuff you don't need black widow to do that this movie suggests that apologies are less effective than reparations reparations I mean if we're just gonna talk about like this isn't in the movie yeah dismantling the organization is more effective than simply saying sorry it's like congratulations you've nailed it yeah but movie though this is exactly where is this in the films I'm sorry where is this in the film where is I don't see it I don't find it when I look I had more say originally about bioluminescence ah there it is do you guys call them do you guys call them fireflies have you been drinking no do you call them firebugs or lightning flies do I stop let's stop let's stop let's begin a new let us revert this conversation like phoenix do you call them lightning bugs or fireflies who calls them lightning bugs I call them lightning bugs I also call them when I was growing up my dad would say those are lightning bugs and I think that's kind of cool lightning bug I was just curious I don't know where he got it from but that's just kind of what I grew up calling them because we get them here in Arkansas where I live at my house and most people call them fireflies which is too cool but I like I think lightning bug fits better because lightning so fire is more constant if you have a fire it's glowing and it's more it's it's more consistent but lightning is like a well that's okay I'm fine let's ask it is this making sure lightning is right now lightning is like a you know like that well rtx is blocking the sound of my snap but I snapped when I said lightning is like that so lightning is like that you know and much because the lightning bugs they kind of make a like a little glow and it's really short which I think lightning bug fits better because lightning isn't really drawn out typically it's very focused it's like is this your argument for lightning bugs the fireflies glow constantly though don't they no well wait wait wait wait wait wait I thought they were both the names for the same insect the same I think they are but but at night they glow at a constant at a constant glow rather than like a the spark well here they just they they flash for a moment and then they go back to being just normal bugs I mean I've I've not seen fireflies in real life so I actually don't know what they look like they just like they like flash and then they're gone and then they flash again eventually so like at night when you're chasing them it's very difficult because it's kind of like a game where you can only see them for a little amount of time and you have to find them because I know you're right they kind of flash don't they yeah I think lightning bug is a more appropriate name than fireflies when we talk about their symbolic they kind of they kind of shimmer they shimmer in the dark not so much like a shimmer yeah kind of a little glow to them oh isn't that geo yeah yeah I can get on the lightning bug train but I've always called them fireflies yeah I see why I think I generally default to fireflies as well it's just a lot better name for it too lightning bug it doesn't roll off the tongue like firefly does yeah it's it's only firefly lightning bug they are the same amount of syllables but one does sort of firefly and plus there's the the um is it alliteration or is it assonance uh it's alliteration we're the same the same I think it's alliteration alliteration is when it's the same letter for the beginning of each word each successive word yeah so like always away and uh because I think the difference between alliteration and consonance is when consonance is when it's the middle or end of the word and alliteration is when it's at the beginning alliteration like Peter Parker picked a pack of pickled peppers you picked a yeah but lemon squeeze yeah I picked a pack yeah Peter Parker picked a pack I don't know what a pack is still but like you know it's something it's something about that a pack is a unit of peppers tons of consult google what is what is a a pack it's a kiss of a pack is to strike or pierce for especially repeatedly with the bill or a point a pack is a quarter of a bushel so okay now we need to know what a bushel is then because I don't know what that is it's like a bushel a bushel is an imperial or a US customary unit of volume based upon an earlier measure of dry capacity the old bushel is equal to two cannings or four packs or a trike out just keeps going down the rabbit hole answering me here it's a glin I don't know what's that learn what's confusing about bushels is that depending on like I guess the seed you get different amounts so like I guess per bushel of cotton seeds it's 32 pounds but a bushel of cucumbers is 48 pounds are there farmers in the chat if you're a farmer could you help it's gotta be one there's gotta be one statistically yeah because bushels just that's very it doesn't make sense you'd have to know individually which crop and how much a bushel is it's almost defeats the purpose of a bushel any farmers tells what a glin is farmers farmers put an F in the chat F for farmers yeah so you have a bushel of days like I will see you again in two bushel days or a two bushels of days and like oh yes that's a month and 16 days is two bushels of days anyway she's she's the thing oh by the way I'm pretty sure it's nearly because we got a square space ad coming up oh we're almost there we're almost finished bioluminescence sisterhood the american dream the nuclear family the american dream she's doing the meme but like for real we just named stuff yeah she said adoption is trauma wait sorry can we do you say adoption is trauma the american dream the nuclear family adoption is trauma but do you say adoption as trauma as I think as and I think it's as yeah it's good that you're adopted because else you'd be sitting in an orphanage and we'd be making fun of you well but if she's saying as trauma then there's some other element that she's saying that it is yeah trauma it could be traumatic adopted it would know maybe make is it should be the opposite because if you got adopted that means that those parents they picked you out you they had a whole they had bushels of kids to pick out from and they chose you so that that's even better than being born because if you're born they didn't choose you know like you well it's better than being born you are born if you exist but well I mean like if you're born as a child well everyone's born as a child but if you're born and then like oh these are my parents they birthed me then like yeah they have like this sort of it they didn't have to adopt you know adopting is more voluntary in a sense like oh that's the one we want we only pick the cream of the crop orphans for our family and so if you get picked you're like oh yeah like my parents they they really notice the value that I seem to have they pick they could have picked other kids in the orphanage and fuck them I got picked what if they picked you because you were a strong lad for your age and then they just make you work and that's it that's something you're a strong then you could tell yourself you know what I'm a strong lad I'm a strong lad I'm fine with saying that it can be traumatic to be adopted it's going to be specific circumstances yeah maybe I'd say more trauma is being an orphaned that's true and possibly like why it depends on the circumstances like what if you had like horrible abusive parents who died in a train accident with some shit and then you're adopted by amazing people it's like well in that case I guess yeah being adopted or or like ever seen those those videos were like after X number of years the stepmothers to father actually like for their birthday gives them papers saying that they officially adopted the child that's like the happiest they've ever been and you know all that kind of thing like yeah usually the adoption is the good stuff not the bad stuff right well I think so well it's the joke like oh I bet you're adopted which is like a funny meme but it doesn't really make that much sense it doesn't have to but you know I made you know like if I learned I was adopted I'd be like okay nothing's changed actually yeah I agree it's like all but irrelevant like why did you even tell me like it doesn't even change anything well you wouldn't own your bone marrow I guess I'd know it in my bone marrow you wouldn't own your bone marrow what do you mean oh rags come on no no no no I know I remember I know what you're talking about you're referring to the stream that we did with a bone marrow in the orphans like three years ago but yes that is I was playing islanders when we had that stream I remember it that's how I associate my memories with the streams is was I playing a game at the time ah yes I was I was playing islanders when we had that stream yeah I mean it all that that was the same stream as an example of how little the whole adoption thing doesn't matter um a cousin of mine was actually uh he he went his entire life um he's now in his late 30s his entire life uh not knowing that his father wasn't his father his father uh they never told him that he he was I don't even know if he was technically even adopted but his father is they they met after you know he was born never been like that he's too young to remember his father was never they have no blood relation so that might be kind of weird if they ever had like an emergency blood transfusion or something like that but and the end it didn't matter because it was his dad regardless of blood so yeah because you have not right okay I feel rather satisfied with what I've said already this video is sponsored by Squarespace and while you're willing to use website designer you may not know the extent of its capability Squarespace supports community building by allowing fine comments and replies whoa that would that would be odd if in the ad they were like yeah this website is shit enter her no I just want to I like the celebration of features and one of them is you can grow a community because there's a comment section it's like man 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assuming the text under that is stuff that she added so that's that's an all cap so stick to the you know staying character come on the reality show only I remember true beauty is in the eye of Tyra Banks who's Tyra Banks why is it why are you at I don't know I thought you were bullshitting that you didn't know who she was is it is it two beers or the three beers I am curious I'm on I'm on three that makes a lot of sense how does that make a lot of sense for him yeah I never god fucking damn it who is Tyra Banks the supermodel chick who's very cringe she had her own talk show she's also a giant iguana what you don't remember the joke clearly there was the joke where it was basically her just screaming at somebody and then a giant lizard jumped out of her I don't know that I've seen that I feel like I've missed out let me see if I can find it uh family guy America's next top model this time I'll just put it on because we're we're all in the watch together yeah do it fucking do it well but what about copyright uh oh what's it's oh actually that's a good point because we can't watch it could let me google it let me go Tyra you can just look at I'll post the link here you can take a look in your own I've got Tyra is it the yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I can't it's 30 seconds challenge there's so much pausing to be able to show you the unreal just imagine it in your head that Tyra Bank a famous supermodel turns into a giant lizard and then eats the supermodel and runs off by the uh the curtain it's really funny just just imagine god in a fucking iguana it's popped out of Tyra Banks and ate that lady post it in chat you can look it up just look up America family guy America's next top model I always just god when people like please post it you've made it so explicit at this point it's so easy to search engines like come on you can do it this is unprecedented what is the iguana the iguana popping out of Tyra Banks and eating that lady you've been smoking crumbled up fireflies it gives warmth to my belly regions you all those fireflies in my tum tum oh my god I like that or that she was like oh my god this video is so long I didn't get to talk to about the fireflies and it's like man it wasn't it's pretty funny it wasn't a limit on youtube videos man yeah I know it's so frustrating you can only speak for 20 minutes but the um the amazement of it is like I'm sure she'll reference it right and she doesn't feel the whole thing was right yet it's like there's biolubanescence anyway bye it's like okay see ya it's not qualified she just brings up bioluminescence but she doesn't say anything about that them it the phenomenon she doesn't say anything it's kind of like just a catch all you know explain this in this plot I don't know biolusinescence I don't know makes sense family family yeah that was uh how Black Widow was brilliant I'm assuming everyone's been convinced I agree no I mean yes Black Widow I think it's brilliant how you could make a movie that fucking horrific and still have 92% of people on the tomato site say that yeah that was good you did a good job that takes there's gotta be some level of skill that goes into that what from a perspective of being able to convince that many people like that I know but I yeah but I think all that happened is it's just like oh it's like another little Marvel movie yay like I feel I feel like that's the easy assumption to make probably I think people just have really low standards and people will just don't just clap at anything I mean look at all the other ones it's all the same it's all the same they're all great they're all just great all this all this video achieved is is made it's made the closer look a lot look really good in comparison well I mean I mean it's fine I think we we agreed and disagreed with them about as much as you know equally sort of thing yeah but he at least had something kind of relevant to criticize well yeah this terminology and some of his reasoning like he probably had references I believe he probably did that he's he's someone who does usually reference the thing he's talking about Julia had trouble with that she was really resisting talking about Black Widow in a Black Widow review remember seeing a couple of his videos he's not obviously great but all the time but a lot of the premises are I think a lot of times he has like a okay premise but has a hard time kind of isolating good arguments for that premise because looking at his recent videos I'm like I kind of agree with that I kind of agree with that but I have no idea how he actually argues them out and I just remember the ones that you guys covered way back with the epic yeah so the end game needed to be helms deep or something it was really weird it's very very strange um yeah that about does that and um unfortunately I do have a little bit of bad news in that I won't be able to go for much longer I'm afraid things have gone away four and a half hours well I was I was looking at the timer and I was like bad that's gonna seem so short we're just like there's a lot of stuff a lot of material I'm trying to think about how best to do this probably the because I wonder if because I've got it like 20 to 30 minutes and I wonder if there's much point in starting them or just doing them as a block on Wednesday um hmm I guess is there hmm that may think for a second oh no chat gotta get angry they'll be okay we'll be okay okay you know what's ironic I had nothing else to do other than just edit in the background this entire day and you're basically cutting off right around the time I'm so sorry this wasn't intended but um piece of shit like why why am I getting picked on it's so mean I ever just so mean um beam your galorems well so what do you what do you reckon rags what's the best plan all right I'm gonna be honest with you I was I was peeing what happened I um I gotta go unfortunately in like 20 minutes you do yeah wasn't wasn't this bullshit I told you I was peeing what happened no I there isn't an actual it's just you know how it's like it's like these things I have to solve that are unfortunate okay but um okay so we have 20 minutes of time left what do we do is that what your I'm but yeah our choices include just having a chat or reading a couple of super chats or ending because we can just we've come to the end you know 20 minutes of time I just want to hang on that we have um what are what else could 20 minutes be of you know we could we could okay yes run away from the the question slippery rags what no I'm thinking I'm doing the opposite of running away from questions okay he's running toward them head first he's running toward them yeah he runs toward them and not away from them because that's what dog goes do okay that's what dog goes do here's the thing I think that um generally when we finish a stream we get to all of the super chats in from that stream in that stream yes so I think we should not get into super chats and we should save those so they can all be together like like you're like best friends like best friends and I'm inclined to agree with that actually I think it's probably better to keep and so what we do could be otherwise from that which is well we could talk a bit about the fun that was last night what happened last night you know what I thought I had an errant thought isn't it was rumbling around in the back of my brain I guess from that weird thing we saw with someone called Jay Longbone um a token addition to this stream it's like spent fucking like seven hours with her last night yeah it was fun by the way a lot of fun movies yeah chat to give you an idea three fat movies were recorded all in a row we have like 20 of them just waiting sitting in the background people have no idea our power level yes and you're experiencing it's a good idea to keep them together now that we have to read all the super chats twice oh yeah that's true if we read them once we might get a word wrong right nine hours it does feel as though that was that was the beginning of this stream this feels like a short e-fap well um as I think statistically it is um but I don't we should get away from that right calling four and a half hours short is is racist to which race what what what happens if there's a typo in a super chat um I usually are you allowed like what the fuck does that mean that everyone guesses that's usually what we do I think I'm allowed to do that yeah more I would love to to infer what it was supposed to be said only if it's subtextual well okay I will say that was moral that that video I kind of mentioned earlier that is the video that really wanted me like got me to want to make stuff like e-fap it's just like it's so bad and it says nothing at all and everyone in the comment section is just sucking it right up just swallowing it and being like that's just what I needed that video was really bad it wasn't helpful it wasn't useful you can't learn if you're an aspiring filmmaker not filmmaker video creator like a youtube person and you want to do that watching this video isn't going to do anything to help you no uh and and you've got the uh the weird like all of it well not all the comment section but several of the top comments are about how men suck and it's like yeah what a strange community you're forging and I I guess it all comes from that one moment where she says uh men don't aren't allowed to criticize this movie all my channel just ha ha ha was I was only ingest so hmm I give not ingest as an eat but ingest as in you gotta wonder she said it in other videos maybe she did a captain marvel one where she was like men are not allowed to review this movie oh god did she um oh I don't know you uh well she said she didn't like captain marvel right oh she didn't like the song choice I love how my brain just concluded if she didn't like the movie the men are allowed to criticize it not that that's the case it's just funny that I would assume that's I'm just going to use you to private twitter I don't believe there's a lot going on I would be very surprised there's a whole like all are going to mass downvote it's like we've never encouraged that um the upload system as far as I'm aware it's just you give your perspective on what you thought if it's down or up like whatever just do whatever you want I'm not compelling when you do anything uh Julie Cudney captain marvel nothing's popping up the first thing that pops up is is insatiable offensive I don't know what that means is that a film or a weird three that they talk about that's a show I think I think it's a show yeah they're they're talking the the thumbnail says fat shaming in a question fat shaming question mark was that what the show does yeah I don't know it's a show about um uh a hefty girl who gets in some sort of accident that gets uh um you know large and in charge uh she goes in an accident and has to have her mouth sewn shut and because of that she eats considerably less and becomes super thin and hot and then it shows like her transformation in the school from being you know the the fluffy girl to then the hot skinny girl and then she I think please no no no no no no I no sister I'm gonna stop you right there so please do not equate fluffy with orange I am fluffy I am sorry that was that was that was very fluffy you have been made aware you have you have they are not the same many think tribbles are fluffy but they are not fat was that an accurate uh estimation of the plot uh Jane Longbone I don't know if you've seen it I uh yeah well it goes on uh she gets revenge on the people who made fun of her in high school damn girl I want to watch this movie the show rags get it right you fucking loser was oh it's a show not a movie yeah so think Carrie uh but instead of becoming like uh telekinetic witch uh becoming thin instead okay that would be that's a good thing to encourage though that people you know stay healthy you could live longer statistically which means that you could make more content and you can make fun of more people for longer you have more energy to you have more energy to expend towards sarcastic commentary towards media season three is the worst yet you know what we're in we're in are we in year four now or in year three of each for what well I mean we're in us because uh it's 2018 to 2019 so this is the fourth year yeah yeah feels weird man this the show's been going for a while turns out that's real weird we couldn't solve the problem of shitty video essays in three years we're kind of incompetent I don't know that it's even a problem that can't be solved I don't think so either but hey look that's that's not why we fight no you're doing a little gremlin laugh yes that is my little gremlin laugh because I sit in the corner like I was always in the corner in a cave because that's the only place that people laugh maniacally oh oh oh oh oh oh oh wait when I google Julia Cudney captain marvel I find our stream the live one boom oh how is yeah it does that work because I haven't put her name on any of the stuff it says for you oh maybe okay maybe that's just a random we're gonna squeeze in um that's the other thing by the way is this the full female coverage we've done so that's kind of revolutionary honored but we've done Jenny twice and we did Sarah Z once so is this the fourth are we breaking the average of one per year pass uh well no because we've just started year four right so as long as we don't cover any more with it so as long as we don't cover for the rest of the year we are currently at one once a year we cover a woman as misogynist woman haters you think we would try harder yeah I know we're very bad at this we're oh grace we covered grace Randolph so there you go oh I got that one grace does she count as a woman though I think so she's her voice shouldn't disqualify her it's just I know it's demonic but we did cover grace Randolph oh my god she's more like a broom with eyes more like a screaming banshee well it's funny because I'm sitting here and I'm just trying to think in the more so because I'm pretty sure she doesn't have a great reputation so like she almost probably wouldn't count just because there are people who don't like more people who don't like her you know they don't see her they don't see her in the same way they see Jenny and Sarah Z yeah they won't they won't care as much she's not a protected woman she's just a she's a kind of well yeah as far as I can see and she did a racism at some point I think uh right so she's she's a lost cause then yep she's out she lost she's written off that's it I suppose um Lindsay Alice has that to a degree she's been cancelled like 17 times um she's protected though she's probably feeling a little bit more of the protected I would yeah the world would be pissed if we covered it but we will eventually just give it time give it all time time comes for us all you guys like the little spooky ghost on the screen yeah I love him look at him he's there like happy he's so happy to be dead long lasting I love I love being every friend on the every frame of psycho podcast yeah little bats look at him there and the bats are like hey it's fun here and that's what place do every frame of poltergeist there you go oh it'll be a bit long but we can probably do that every long yeah I mean you guys are pretty long did you hear about the you guys watched that one youtuber uh patrician he does like 12 hour scripted videos he did a 12 12 hour I think uh live in video well scrolls live in a video and that's how you are a difference has definitely been made and we would have been a part of it not in some way shape or form even if it's a minor degree that um I saw a parody video get made that said every video essay like right now or something and it's like yeah and it's like here's my four hour breakdown of how spongebob square pans is blah blah and I was like oh my god it's like parodying long video essays now back in the day that was that was just considered insane and no one does it but now it's common enough that they being it's like you know counterculture in a way yeah like that's cool that's okay it's only a matter of time before people just shut up about it and just don't care anymore and it's yeah it's just not a normal you gotta get over that um yeah because I kind of I just remember the days of first making my uh my longer videos and people just advising me like do not make long videos the stupid it's like okay but I want to say so anyway back to my long video exactly is this real ignore that ignore that ignore that what how can we ignore that oh my god is this real oh wait that's nothing all right I just I just saw a strange image it's okay did you imagine it okay no I saw it's going to stick with the algorithm and and kind of how youtube is is treated videos over time like I think that it used to be as soon as you got a click you're basically you're basically golden and then they started measuring engagement and then they started doing you know longevity like ads give you more or whatever after 10 minutes and then after a certain amount of time you could add mid-roll ads and stuff like that so now there's really absolutely no disadvantage of making long content but and unfortunately that actually hurts animators and people who make extremely dense but short content but yeah with that chain yeah dense but short that's for sure I thought you were gonna say he was an animator and I'm like I don't think he's no no maybe I don't know wouldn't want to be highly packed wouldn't want to erase his potential animation career you know maybe he is racist what um yeah I think we'll probably we'll probably wrap there um but before we do uh indigo gaming why don't you tell people what's what's what's up with you and why they should yeah what's up a little subscription tell us tell us your story yeah so um I'm still working really hard on my latest video it's going to be about two hours 20 two or probably two hours 10 minutes actually um should be released about I think mid-November probably early to mid-November so it's looking pretty good about 75% done through the editing phase um it's gonna be it's part three of a comprehensive cyberpunk genre uh documentary going all the way back to like the the 60s through the 80s through the 90s is that when cyberpunk started it was in the 60s uh you could you could trace it back to like even like cyberpunk yeah 60s is probably like that's back when um uh do andres dream of electric sheep was written well I guess yeah your answer was 84 that that's like the kind of like the first official quote unquote cyberpunk novel um that's what my first video goes over that blade runner yeah other movies and stuff like that it kind of the genre really came to popularity in the 80s but you can trace its origin back to like the 40s the 60s and stuff like I traced I traced the uh the term cyberpunk from like the 40s uh from cybernetics you know cybernetics you know plus punk things like that but uh yeah this next part's gonna be really really varied it covers comic books um covers uh several movies cover simulation theory covers uh cyberpunk inspired music uh several books and ends on like a big 25 minute section about philosophy and the matrix phenomenon so that's what I'm working on right now uh but yeah that should be that next month I'll also do weekly live streams on my second channel and uh once I'm done with this this monster I'll probably go on to more refugees hmm on your podcast you talk about like current events for gaming or yeah my podcast is not nearly as uh not nearly as regular as this one um I kind of do it like every month every month or two but uh yeah I usually come up with a topic and uh you know get guests on and things like that um the next one might be kind of a uh uh topic I'll probably do some sort of podcast about the matrix um you know with the upcoming release and the trilogy and and I don't know if you guys remember but the matrix was insanely you know just went absolutely crazy in like 2003 with all of the uh animatrix and the the two video game spinoffs and the two sequel movies come out in the same year like just absolutely exploded so yeah might be something like that in the next month or so that'd be kind of fun sweet well link in description on this and in chat and I realized by the way that up until right now I had just pasted Jay Longbone's channel for your link nice job nobody noticed yet so we're okay maybe I don't know if anyone sometimes they at me was like hey you fucked it up but I didn't see anyone this time so my bad if I missed it but um it's it's all set now speaking of which Jay Longbone what are you up to why should people subscribe is it because it's golfing is that why because I think they should they should go watch that well yeah there might be one or two parts left of that so get get you know look out for that sooner or later whatever stories are starting to heat up yeah and I got a whole backlog of shit that I'm working on but currently right now I'm working on the second part of my BBC Dracula mini series review uh yeah that's it shit but you know yeah I I loved your first part I was really I was hoping you'd mention the one you're doing your second part yeah yeah I'm trying I'm gonna try to get it out of on Halloween or before Halloween uh I'm gonna try but you know this one is has been a little bit difficult to write because the second part is just so thin there's nothing really happens in the second part and the characters don't really matter they try to expand on like the whole Dracula thing when he's on the ship to the he's on the Demeter ship on the way to London now normally he's supposed to be just in a box but like he's walking around talking to people and shit but it doesn't mean anything because they all end up dying anyway so you recommend the show no I mean if you want to see like the lead guy be really good at acting and the set design then yeah watch it but other than that like yeah you're not really gonna get anything from it just watch the just watch the uh Francis Ford Coppola movie and you know any other movie that there's anything else but just anything else even with Black Widow did you know that Demeter is the Greek goddess of agriculture I didn't know that yeah yeah I knew that did you know that drinking is not good when you're on stream I've been drinking water it's pretty good if you don't drink you'll die yeah what I thought that was an interesting fun fact for people I know exactly where I am I'm listening to you talk about the vampire show from the BBC and they were on the ship to meter and he said that everyone died so it doesn't matter but if he doesn't recommend it but if you want to watch it for the main characters acting you could do so I've been here this entire you said on the ship to meter you know I think it is right I think she's racist to witches and she can see a little hat she's like these are great they can fly they can cast spells oh wait but spell it we said spell it didn't apply no obviously cannot canonical everyone knows that everyone's seen quidditch I have to have an enchanted broom oh I also want to mention oh sorry I almost want to I also want to mention I'm doing a stream tomorrow on Cinema Sins uh video on interview with the vamp it they need just a video an interview with the vampire and I love that movie and in my personal opinion it it's perfect so I want to know so I want to know what he has to say about this they're warning his videos are all super stens boy is bad yeah I really like interview with the vampire uh I I'm assuming he's gonna have some pretty hot takes on that uh yeah I already watched like the first minute and I was I was like fuck it fuck it all why are you why do you have a channel why uh yeah I mean we could also mention good ol mr metal commander here streaming every single hour of every single day on twitch oh man better good life then what are you doing next you're doing some spooky move games right yeah what's that metal uh yeah I just finished the outer wilds dlc which was really good there was the first spooky game of the month there was that spooky but it was a little bit spooky how the wilds is a game that people tell us to play many yeah me mostly barely constantly recommended game pressed it's I really like it it's always mentioned a lot yeah yeah sometimes rightfully so I really like it I think it's really good and you should everyone should play it uh but yeah next game I'm gonna start this is gonna be Dead Space One so I've played it in a long time and uh what are you gonna be playing it on the first world computer yeah but PC uh I got like a thingy that gets rid of the weird aspect ratio that el sent me yeah white screen something something yeah it's it's gloomy on pc you gotta get some fixes and things for it but luckily the other dead spaces don't have that issue just the first one but that's that's before EA was making the PC stuff that they were making yeah when I finish that one I'm gonna play amnesia the duck descent oh first time oh my god that's a spooky game I recently played the machine for pigs I don't know if I'd recommend it I used to be like no but now I'm like I mean fine it's got stuff in there it's got stuff it's got stuff the funny thing is I think I'll I appreciate the music most of this time that any other time I've played it especially what I know is like I think it was Jay was watching in chat and he was like can can someone tell me what the soundtrack is for this I want to get it I was like that's kind of fair actually sometimes pretty good yeah it's good it's way better than amnesia uh birth after birth after birth it's way better than amnesia after birth I completely agree with that yeah it's a way better experience too because it's like it's four hours as much more condensed straight forward is that how short it is it was I was surprised when I looked at the stream I was like shit I haven't even gone for like that was the whole game damn because I think I didn't realize I was considering making it two parts that would have been a mistake like because I was practically at the end um yeah if you don't like like twitch streams uh I'm planning to do those uh uh play to youtube streams more regular me uh so if you like to watch there better then I'm gonna be there as well it's almost like the lowering of standards of horror games is made games that were kind of mediocre now look better definitely had a Thanos moment where machine for pigs was like Mola doesn't lie and then I was like wow perhaps I was too harsh to you machine for pigs perhaps I judged you too harshly um I realized I never got asked the uh the halloween christmas question you didn't oh shit I thought you okay well it's time to answer that question I guess yeah indigo gaming which do you prefer halloween or christmas now I'm sure gonna get I'm gonna get some hate for this but I'll I'll back up my opinion with uh facts and logic I actually learned a few few years ago actually I won't be quite as outspoken as shah it was very outspoken but I am a christmas person but I'll stay I'll say why okay right so halloween you kind of get like uh you like it like you halloween you kind of you kind of start thinking about in October you kind of build up you might have a couple little parties and then on the last day and then it's done right so at max you get like the build up for a month and then it's over pretty much you're celebrating on one day whereas christmas uh christmas used to be basically the entire the entirety of winter solstice so people would actually have uh celebrations throughout the three months of winter and so yeah so my my argument is that you get more of christmas you get a whole whole a whole season of christmas of gift giving and people meeting up and like everybody's like hey christmas that's right people call it it's like season all christmas is it is the christmas season that's right whereas with stinky halloween oh it's candy corn it's like oh we wouldn't trigger treat it for three hours all right now we got to go to school tomorrow fuck that so i would say that the halloween has more creativity but christmas is longer and and therefore better so that's my opinion you know i'll agree with the face tough christmas is the best holiday of all of them speaking of which halloween's great halloween's great though but christmas is the best um i really have to go now so uh what else should i say uh christmas is better now fuck off was really was there anything anybody wanted to say before we we we run away from the world black widow is bad yeah watch it it's really bad um christmas is better than halloween no um you heard it here first um yeah because no one says that because it's wrong uh what um what else is there to say well of course thank you everyone for joining us for watching and we will chat we will get to the super chats hopefully the whole block of this dream will be done on wednesday so we'll see you then everybody yeah see you later everybody thanks for coming i will i will be around on tuesday with real bbc and i don't think it's bloated yeah we we gotta watch more batwoman too we got two left we gotta do that um that's right yeah that's right we're almost there we're almost there everybody we're almost finished batman are indeed um yes thank you for joining everybody it's peace out see you next time bye good to lose see you guys later on in the days to come goodbye