 The way that we usually do this when it's me guest hosting Andy's real simple. I'll just do Like normally when it's like me and Tom will alternate stories, but I'll read the stories even I'll talk about them Our goal would be to get you know sticking to the half hour or so total show our goal be to get through those Not you know not speed through them, but you know relatively Quickly so that when we get to the emulation discussion we can have a little more padding on that and be able to really talk about it Sure, and just don't forget about me Tom Tom always forgets about me because I'm supposed to write you guys in and oh Yeah, let me write them in that's right. I'm blaming Roger the last time me. It's fun Oh just the if you can go over the two top stories in red. Yeah, so you're familiar with them See that's running Yeah, I was gonna play in justice tonight, and I found out my daughter is having a sleepover so I'm like Think we're gonna go see we're gonna go see pirates maybe tonight I want to see a movie This week is bad review week Was it did it get a bad review? Yeah Covering around 31. That's not terrible, but 31. Yeah, I'm not really expecting much. I mean I was I was really holding out for a Watch I was hoping it would be like a 21 jump straight, but I heard it's just really bad. Yeah, that's That's hovering around 18 I'm trying to see if there's anything that's not really guardians of the galaxy believe it's like the best best Who has pirates in the draft who you guys do that's right. Oh, who does oh I know it isn't me My I want to see aliens for you. Yeah, how is that? It's all right. It's weird. It's two movies better than Prometheus Yeah Does it explain anything? Let me ask that. Yeah. Yeah a lot of you get a ton of exposition Yeah, but it's basically Prometheus sequel trying to fight with a alien movie and they I don't know that it's horribly successful at doing that But when they're separate, they're kind of interesting in their own like I'd like the alien half a lot But that was great. That was a return to form But the Prometheus half is just a little too Prometheus for me So I don't know but the subtitle should be space crew makes poor decisions. Yeah Not kidding and they make Hey, they all do that By the way, the other part the thing I meant to tell you are that I put a pin into remind to remind myself to tell you When when I went to see it I was seeing it with friends who were from in from outside the country who were in visiting for work that week and He booked the tickets thinking he was getting 3d what he actually booked was cinema 4d. Oh, no Have you ever been to a cinema 4d? Yeah, isn't that like a it's like they're shaking chairs and And like that was like the ultimate movie for it It was literally raining on us in this theater every time Alien would burst out of somebody this burst of water and air would blast out of the seat in front of us at you There were epilepsy lights strobing all over the place it was one of the worst movie going extra You know, why do they keep insisting on doing that it's not gonna work Cuz it's a higher ticket price and then they can it was expensive and it was crazy and the guy the guy that bought the tickets The entire time kept going. I'm really sorry that I did this Well, it's sort of like, you know, they're trying something 3d wasn't it I was totally glad like I'm glad I did it I'm glad I didn't have to like be with my wife who would never let me live it down My wife I like I just showed her a picture of it on YouTube later and she was like nope I wish it was an actual 4d where everybody gets sucked into a dimension they can't escape That was not this it was Super distracting the water in the air like the water should be colored So you walk out of there looking like you ran one of those crazy color runs That would be nutsoid That stuff I wasn't into 3d. I'm not into that either. I just want to watch my damn movie actually three I saw Guardians in 3d It's actually the 3d on the Marvel movies Dr. Strange and The Guardians was really good. Yeah strange was great. I was impressed with that. Yeah, it's the same thing with Guardians I mean, it's like there's it's worth seeing it for the 3d. Yeah, so it's not just kind of an add-on So easier now that my eyes aren't jacked up like they used to be It's better because it used to be I couldn't do without having like a horrible headache Right. No, I know what you're saying. No, it's no big deal But for me it's still like, you know what if they pay if they charge me 50 bucks to watch Guardians 2 opening weekend at home I'd probably do it Yeah, yeah I'm waiting for is that is that happening is something like that happening. Yeah, that would be I would I was just talking about that I'd pay a premium to watch it I mean, you know how this goes even if you take half your kids you're paying 50 to 60 bucks for a trip to Yeah, the only thing I the reason why is because you can't they can't control who's watching it, right? You know, I could have a bunch of neighbors over and fill up the basement And I suppose they could write some code that knows that it's being shown through like a You know some sort of like a epsom projector or something like that that would you know that it would not allow it to play But they just start sending it. They'd have to have a camera on the these smart TVs that have start filming Who's in the room and And then they all get subpoenaed. Yeah I'm kidding. Then you put some weirdo in Canada with his wiener out and and then everyone's whole thing's ruined That sounds like a great movie. That's worth the price, right? That's the whole yeah, and then there's a secondary market where you're making movies of the people watching movies. It's perfect Get all your money back and uh, you're good with starting the record, right? Now if you want I'm ready. All right, so let me hide and um Introduce land and then lend you can Disappear into the ether doing your art. Yep. I'll introduce you first So cool, and I will shut the heck up and hopefully agr will scrape the youtube audio that's going live All right hiding reporting Down down and are you good y'all comfy and ready? I'm ready to go sweet man How do we have you introduced on here? Hold on uh, yeah, uh Roger asked earlier tech of angels for microsoft will that work for you? Sure. Yeah, okay We'll talk about all the other bad things you do. So it won't seem like that's all you maker of jam maker of Best jam I ever had. Okay. I'm bringing that up. All right Here we go. I'm gonna start this thing and off we go it begins In three two one The daily tech news show is powered by you That's right you to find out more head to the daily tech news show dot com slash support And do it today This is the tech news show for may 25th 2017 I'm scott johnson filling in for tom marrett who's out at bay con in san francisco Up there in the bay area having fun traveling Asked for me to come in here and keep a seat warm which i'm happy to do But on fridays there are more than one seats to keep warm. That's not a good english sentence. It doesn't matter. I'm moving on from here Len peralta as always drawn doing stuff hanging out. What's going on? Oh, uh, nothing much. I'm just getting ready for the holiday weekend It's good. I wasn't here for the past two weeks. I've been super super busy So it's nice to be here and it's nice that that you're here as well scott a nice surprise Yeah, old old pals len and I it's always good when we get to hang out and do something together That's usually on here now these days the way our schedule Always happy to do that. He'll of course be illustrating what we talk about today With our guest ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the program an old friend of mine Also a technological advanced human being as well in his own right. He's the tech evangelist for microsoft He is a great jam maker. We'll explain that later. It's andy beach everyone. Welcome to the show How you doing scott johnson? I'm good, man. It's always good to talk to you and I have a lot of offline conversations But it's rare that we get to do this totally I was excited. I was excited to hear you were filling in for tom not that I don't love talking to tom But I can always have a little extra scott time in my life Oh, well, thanks, man And later we're going to talk about the emulation world what's happening in that space Everyone buying raspberry pies and loading them up with retro pie and everything else they can think of and Playing old video games like they're 10 years old in arcade again And we're going to talk about All of the aspects of that including the technology and software and hardware to get people going if they are looking For a way to get started with emulation But before all that How about some news A couple of quick headlines here according to multiple sources google has launched a new venture capital program focused on artificial intelligence Aren't we all doing that these days axios reports the vc program will be led by engineers specifically Anna Patterson a longtime google vp of engineering who specializes in in ai that seems consistent with All the ai chatter that came from google io just a week ago also involved is and kit jane who is Returned to google's engineering department last month batterson will help reboot through google rather than through alphabet That probably gets complicated over there at google these days who's running what? Um, the group is seeking to make relatively small investments somewhere between 1 million and 10 million the program may Co-invest with google ventures You think all this we think all this hub of about ai these days like it seems like this is the new I don't know. Maybe it's the new mobile. Maybe it's the new You know, I think I feel like it's just an area that like Everybody wants to explore and it totally makes sense like of course google's going after this Of course, they want to dive into it. It it has applications on so many areas That there people are looking at how to automate things or how to how to make You know simple tasks, uh, sort of repeatable by Computers that it's it's kind of a no-brainer that they're going to dive into this space. So not agree not a wild shot Yep, we're all going to be talking to robots for the next rest of our lives, which is fine I'm ready for it. Bring it plug me in and a letter to republican representative bob. Good late Uh tech companies asked for a number of reforms To nsa surveillance programs known as section 702 sounds very ominous to me which is up for re-authorization this year The request for changes include protections for american data and new transparency measures to let customers and consumers know about government surveillance requests Among the signatures are air bnb amazon sysco dropbox facebook google linkedin lift microsoft and uber Now some more stories you might be able to use. Yeah, why not? I'll use the bumper again. It's fine I only get to do this once in a while Uh, let's dive in google released data gift maker This might be my favorite story of the day for no good reason except I like the idea that there's a way to Turn data into a gift a tool designed for journalists to show comparison data in a very interesting way The tool allows users to input two data points And input values as either total numbers or percentages with the ability to customize colors Data can then be viewed in a browser downloaded as a high quality or even low quality GIF or gif if you come from that side of the gif gif argument Andy, uh, you're a data guy. You like data You know, you can just quickly graph that stuff up and send it to your buddy on twitter or something This is going to be the rest of my day right here It's kind of cool, right like I hate to I'll be the first to admit this. I've had kind of a Renaissance with gifts personally lately Uh, I'll we have a show called film sack on my network. I'm gonna watch these uh old 80s movies and I Part of what I do when I do that is I look for spots in the film that would make good gifts And I make those and then I post them for everybody to see on the on the twitter feed I can't believe I'm using this old compu serve graphic format from 30 years ago To entertain myself so much uh today, but now here's a way to do with actual data that isn't quite as silly as As movie scenes Gifts have become like their own language Thanks to messenger apps and and other things like most of if I look at my like Messin in my text message with my wife, uh, almost everything we have are I rolling gifts and and other things so it's it's its own language now So of course we have a new tool to to make more of them I kind of prefer it over emotes and emojis if i'm being honest I know yeah, totally if you want to tell me that you're confused or you're happy or you laugh or whatever I would much rather see Some obscure 70s talk show hosts doing a face In real time than I would a small yellow face. So this is where I stand on that issue You can send your emails to tom a complain all you want Uh next up uh in a statement to yahoo finance disney ceo bob auger refuted That pirates had obtained a copy of the latest pirates of the caribbean film dead men tail no tails or whatever it's called And claimed the company had not been hacked to his knowledge So this is not the first time in the last couple of months. This has come up other films Uh have become uh suspect for early leaks and releases and people getting a hold of Of uh screeners that shouldn't have and so on I don't know why this is in the news so much lately though. I feel like screeners And people leaking early copies Is now the oldest trick in the book. I feel like we've been doing this for as long as the internet's existed. So I don't know I guess that ransomware It's the ransomware part of it that is kind of like the new the new thing the idea that they're holding it out there hostage Yeah, but like this movie. This is you you want to hold this hostage for real? Yeah, I can understand like the new star the new star wars film or you know, some other disney proper I could see that this no come on guys the fifth caribbean film. Maybe not some I don't But I doubt even johnny depp cares I still can't even decide if I want to spend seven bucks on the movie itself. So He got his paycheck. He's fine. He's fine Yeah, he'll be all right. He's all ready for all right, whatever's next at tim burton studio Uh htc unveiled the htc link. This is exciting. It's a vr based powered by a smartphone or vr based headset rather powered by a smartphone The link features two 10 80 by 1200 screens. These are 3.6 inch amulet screens panels rather They're built into the headset But it's powered by the htc u 11 And it offers a full range of motion and uh, they're claiming six degrees of freedom I will I will need to sort of see that to believe it also in some ways that sounds great for a mobile device Some that some and pardon me think that sounds limited, but anyway It will require an external camera for tracking the headset and controllers Pricing was not announced and the link is exclusive to japan at launch. We may see it here later. This is interesting because um The holy grail of vr. I think is to figure out better ways to track the environment from the headset Not the other way around because the way it works now with a vive or another htc product or with, uh, oculus rift or most other Tracking based vr systems. You need to have You know this sensor over here and Yeah, you need beacon basically to say where everything is And this gets really interesting to me is when these headsets start experimenting more At least with release models with mapping the environment from the headset itself and doing it in real time That may take more computing power or other stuff that i'm not aware of but i'm i'm excited about that that day to come And at e3 this year, uh star breeze entertainment known mainly for publishing video games has their own headset That they initially purchased in some sort of early development phase and have now gotten close to a release candidate and they're going to show that off and that supposedly has What i'm talking about the headset itself will map the environment around you and you will not have to worry about Having, uh anything to tell you where you are and that's pretty exciting. So as cool as this sounds Uh, and i'm glad that there's kind of a motion tracking element to a portable solution I still don't like the idea that there are beacons Yeah, yeah, i think that definitely will end up being a problem I agree with you that i think the the more they can internalize that and have an internal sensors do the job of Mapping the space that's going to help but i mean again, this is sort of a smartphone powered version of it So it's it's it's always going to be kind of a lesser vr So whatever you can do to get that that job done right and then Go toe to toe with with some of the bigger vr headsets. That's cool I couldn't tell from the and i can't tell if in the console picture or in the picture of the headset or not But it kind of looks like you can just flip the whole headset unit up While you're still wearing it, which i always wondered like why why are vr headsets not more like that? like why can't you just like Flip up the front piece rather than having to take the whole thing off or let the whole thing over your head It's very cumbersome. I completely agree. I mean, it's not like you're going to be doing a lot of Yeah, but like you just want to like, you know, you want to be able to peek out and look Look through a window and make sure you're not getting ready to run into the wall or something Totally agree. I think that that kind of thing is is is a good idea. So this seems like this front loader option is is definitely looking cool Business insider reports that lift launch a new feature. It's a big mustache on the front of a car Just kidding. That's not coming back. I made that up It's a new feature allowing drivers to accept a ride scheduled to pick up days and hours in advance With full information on where the rider is going and how long it will take to make the trip Long requested finally coming other announcements include a new driver app And power zones and incentive that gives drivers bonuses a.k.a extra money when they give rides in or from a demarcated power zone Section in the selected city. So that seems like a cool way for drivers to be incentivized But moreover, I like the idea of being able to plan this stuff in advance If you know, you're going to be picked up at a certain time on a certain day No reason why you can't get that stuff out of your head planned out and done And then if you can't do it, you just cancel like anything else. It's like a flight really you're basically just This is like the airline version of ride sharing I guess. Well, sorry. I was just gonna Jump in here. So the the the actual thing for lift is for drivers So the drivers can basically instead of waiting for For things to trickle into their app. They can basically say like you I'm a lift driver and you Scott decided to go to the airport. You say next saturday I need to get to the airport by 3 p.m. I can see that's like, okay I'll take it even though it's like a week in advance So I can figure out how to plan my day. It's like, oh, here's a perfect block of People I could I can drive and then at this point I can go see the movies or do whatever I need to do so in a way it gives flexibility to the driver as well as as To something that the the rider or the customer already had Yeah, I kind of clearly I don't use lift enough. I thought that they I thought lift was limited by You just had to call when you were ready to go and they send the closest one to you But apparently I'm way behind on the lift stuff. So that's good to know. These are both driver tools They were launched at the same time And I will add that the power zone kind of feels like a Mario Kart Thing like you just coast through there and you get extra points Or actually get in this case extra money. It's the Mario power zone everybody get in there get some coins and Make Mario have a bad day Final note here Nielsen released data metrics this morning That found that 92 of viewing habits among us adults take place still on a television screen So everybody who thought we'd all move to tiny screens Not so much 92 still the data was collected in the fourth quarter of 2016 and compares tv screen viewing to pc's tablets smartphones And tv's connected to set-top boxes like game consoles rogu's apple tv that sort of thing uh, according to peter Kaskingriss can't say his name right svp audience insights over there at nielsen He suggested that the data is contrary to the belief That smaller screens were taking away from regular tv viewing tech crunch also adds that tv viewing isn't just Traditional ota cable or satellite sources, but likely include streaming services like net netflix I'm I watch most of my netflix on a television I watch a little bit on smaller screens, but this doesn't come as that big of a surprise to me the data I would like to see is how many people are watching I don't know if anyone has definitive data on this but how many people are watching regular old cable television Via a television versus those who are not watching who are watching internet sort of Connected stuff stream stuff to the same tv's That would be i'm i'm sure that stuff is in there But i mean the fact that people using the biggest screen in their house to watch tv Whether regardless of where it's coming from shouldn't be a wild shock to anybody I the the the data i would like to see and i'll have to read this report and see if it's in there is How many people are watching The big tv while they have something going on the little screen because my I'm constantly using my phone the entire time we watch like Like basically my my phone is just one giant imdb database that i'm constantly trolling through while we watch stuff So I can go oh what was he in what was that guy in oh right right him okay That makes me feel a lot better about how I live my life because I do the exact same thing. Oh, yeah No, please it's that's that's all we do is uh, and probably every I've probably looked uh since fargo restarted I've probably looked david duels up like three times so I can remember what else i've seen him in Just remind you of all the cool other things that guy's done But easily the coolest thing he's doing right now fargo no question. Yeah Also, I noticed that amazon prime is trying to curb that a little i mean they own imdb amazon does So They've leveraged that data to be right here, but you have to be doing it on a browser or a tablet right and it's great I love it You pause and you get oh here all the actors currently in this scene and here's some Information about the song is playing in the background and I can click on those people and see more about them And I kind of prefer that because it interrupts it does it interrupts it So i'm not missing anything But i'm also getting this data I want and I find that to be a really good experience But they've not translated that to the tv app that i'm aware of I don't think it does it on my playstation Which is right I haven't seen on the xbox, but if they if they want to put it on there. I'm not going to argue Oh, I love it. It's the best thing ever It's my favorite thing about prime and there are times where I'm using netflix I'm like, I know that guy and I'll hit pause and go. Oh, yeah, they don't have that thing Even I love the thing where it'll even like show you the songs that are playing because that's also the one that like The songs that are playing in the background. I'm always trying to figure out what those are And being able to find those like that that makes it easy another reason to watch fargo amazing music selections All right, that's pretty much it for your news By the way, get all the tech headlines every day you need for about five minutes each you just subscribe to the daily tech headlines.com feed Uh, you can also get it on the anchor app anchor dot fm carries tom's feed as well Find all kinds of cool feeds up there. I'm up there as well with the daily blip It's a great platform great place to get it and again five minutes a day get all those Headlines all you want right there. All right, let's get to our main discussion emulation in gaming Some might say it's piracy Some might say it's preservation and others might say, well, there's lots of fair use stuff out there So what are you arguing about? There's lots of fun to be had even if you're not trying to just You know mess over namco or whatever So I want to talk about it a bit and you come to the table with some uh, some expertise in this area And some very recent experience Emulation so give us a little background about what you just built for yourself. Yeah So sort of every december I look for like a project to do over the christmas time while everybody's home And we're not doing a ton of stuff if we're not going to be traveling I try to find some sort of little project to keep me busy. So This year, uh, I decided I had a raspberry pie that I bought and wasn't using for something So I decided to put together a retro pie and install it into this old TV cabinet that I've had sitting around like an old 1940s TV that I gutted and was trying to figure out what I was going to do with and instead of turning it into a bar I turned it into a video game Oh, that's awesome, dude. I'm totally jealous of that. So I've got this conundrum I've had for the last couple of months just to give some quick background on where I'm at with this I have my dad drone up had arcades. We had arcade machines in the house all the time And I have two old cabinets that didn't get lost in storage or wherever else happened all that stuff back in the 80s But I've got a cabinet for pac-man. It's a sit-down model pac-man like cocktail It's not gutted yet. It doesn't work. I mean it turns on but nothing happens because you know it's ancient And uh, also a cabinet he built himself with his own custom buttons Really crappy wood, but it's this awesome cabinet still has a big fat crt in it And everything else that you'd you know want the arcade machine and I haven't gutted that either And I was torn do I take one of these? Empty it figure out a way to adapt it to a modern emulation machine Or do I have my brother-in-law's like this wizard with woodworking and stuff? Do I have him build me one? We ended up having him do that and I think what I'm going to do because of this stuff so inexpensive I'm going to have multiple options. I'm going to have this stand-up custom on with my own art on it It's going to be a stand-up like standard arcade looking machine It's going to be classic because I'll get out and then I'll take these other two Fair them apart maybe do something special with those the point being I can now get hardware the size of This you can see me holding up here. It's not even the size of like an old genesis cartridge roughly um that can hold hundreds thousands maybe more uh games on it If I want to tell people what a raspberry pi is and why is the raspberry pi these days anyway seems like the de facto standard for emulation Yeah, so I mean a raspberry pi is we had talked about it in a pre-show It's really just a computer on a chip. It's this whole notion of everything that we have for computing power On on a board With all of the inputs and outputs so rather than having to go build one yourself which is you know if we were in 1980s and we we had a A radio shack nearby we we could go put one of these things together and very similarly, but now you can just go Pull basically get a thing that's the size of like your wallet That's got ethernet wi-fi usb inputs And then for storage it's got a space for an sd card and so the as big of the sd card you can Forward to put in there and that's basically what you're building and all your i o outputs are like you mentioned or there You've got hdmi like you said multiple usb ports. I've got four on this one So you can have four players sort of stuff. They're very cheap Retro looking nes style controllers available super nes style controllers that you can buy from various sources. You can build your own inputs we'll talk about that in a second, but If you uh, what's I going to ask you? Oh Let's say that what y'all what you just described is great and it is look It's a computer on a chip guys small easy inexpensive. I think this was 60 bucks or something Uh, really not not that big a deal and rise very powers are used for lots of different things like we talked about in pre-show um, but You say that to some people they're like, well, yeah, well, I don't know what to do with a computer on a chip I don't know what to what to do with that thing when I get a home. Do I just plug it in like that's what they want And it turns out now it's getting easier to do that So where where should people go to like get the right software to make sure that they've got they've got easy to understand instructions and launchers or is this all some kind of hazy sub internet weird place That it's going to be too dark to know what you're doing No, you know, there's tons of resources. I mean if you want to stick in the You know in the game emulation world There's there's a lot of info around setting up retro pi, which is the really the the kind of the go to Site and os for for running All the video games and it's super easy walkthrough Like even I like I had really like I'm a techie guy and I kind of put it off because I was like I don't want to have to sit down and figure this out It took I from the morning that I started it I had retro pi up and running and was playing a video game and in Like an hour and a half maybe two hours To get the first the first setup going and then Then it was really just down to like getting everything set up and Like I put a whole day aside for that and I ended up just spending that whole day playing video games that I kept finding And that I hadn't played in probably 30 years. Yeah, and did you find the process of? You know getting controls configured and working with certain games Like for example, if you want to play missile command, you can probably Rig away for a joystick to handle that but really that needs a trackball If you want to play, uh, I don't know crazy climber. You kind of need two sticks Like there's all these different kind of configurations. How hard is that? That has definitely been like you spend more time I think doing that getting your system sort of sweetened to the to the point where you you do what you want to do With it. I I for example Like, you know, because I was just doing this as sort of a I did not invest a ton in it Like you said, I think I put 50 bucks in the raspberry pi Originally, and then I just have a ton of xbox controllers around because I've looked in the xbox world for a long time So I when dug out a bunch of Older usb's and just plug them in and this thing just picked them up recognize them map the buttons as best it could I went in and tweaked and did a little bit of Uh sort of reconfiguring to because it it moved a lot of stuff to buttons that I wanted on a joystick and once I'd done that I've pretty much left it alone But I keep thinking like I really want to go like find myself like a like a good like nintendo controller more nintendo style for some of the games because for some of those In that world that it's just that feel I want that feel in my hand And there's like a cognitive dissonance that I have holding an xbox control Playing, you know dig dug or super mario or donkey con. Sure. I totally get that. I'm I'm with you now Here's the part we probably should talk about Nintendo would rather you go Well, they don't apparently don't rather you do this quite that much because they no longer make it But they would like you to get an nes classic and that's how you should experience some of their classic games They get 30 on that thing and and that's great and all I got one and I love it I think it's awesome a little device and I'm glad I got it because now they're not making it anymore And they may do the same for the super nes But when it comes to these back catalogs of games, you're never going to be able to buy on cartridge again Or you even got cartridges for in a box somewhere And no longer have hardware to play them on your old your old play your old genesis quit working or whatever Uh, what are people to do if they want to stay within the lines of legality? But they don't quite understand this stuff. Are they is it legal for me if I own a copy of? um, I don't know can they be game mario? Super mario world and I have no way to play it. Can I go get that rom and is that okay? Like how how much have you had to deal with that? Yeah, it doesn't I mean that for sure is is Is the the line that that you're dealing with here is uh, there are definitely companies that take a stronger viewpoint on it um, there's a uh public domain rom website out there that I found That you can get a lot of things from and and that seems like a useful place Or if you want to just absolutely stay in the in the in the lines Uh, that's going to give you lots of things and a lot of their things are very they're either a public domain or their Uh versions of things that uh that that look very similar to games that you know from the past Make it uh, then it make it Roms right people can get pd roms dot de is where that's located in the roms dot de Yeah, and I notice there's like if you go to the super nintendo selection For example, there may be such in there. You've never even heard about right some analog to a game. You do know Yep. Yeah, that's very interesting. So it's a for me. It's always been an issue of trying to separate preservation from legal fair use um preservation I think is important And I think it matters and I'm glad that all these old games Especially some that have just been abandoned total abandon where by some of these companies Have a way to find life have a way to be exposed and still have that work be seen um But as we get further and further into a digital only future It's wondering if you have any thoughts on the idea of What happens when xbox live decides to finally shut down or what happens when You know world of warcraft finally shuts down like it becomes a little more complicated, doesn't it? Yeah, you know, I mean I I feel like for the For the games we play online now Like I I I hope that there becomes an option where they basically open source those servers and people get to Run their own server for some of those games out there We've seen a little bit of that that has crept up where people started their own servers or run private servers For some of it. So I certainly hope it goes that way for these sort of consoles where when we were in an offline world None of that was possible and and the Basically these these ROMs and these emulators are are kind of the the way that we we have to to get some of those And it's definitely I isn't it to a place now. We're finally The raspberry pi certainly is capable of running Let's say an NES game Yeah in the way that it ran originally you're not having to jump through hoops Or we weird use weird pc configurations or any of these things and I know they're main emulators and that sort of thing But this is like this weird convergence of of Kind of not hacker technology, but kind of you know aftermarket technology, but in this very simple format Do you think that's just going to get more so that that direction? Or are we going to you know, is this is as good as this is ever going to get for retro game? Oh, no, I I'm willing to bet it'll it'll just continue to I feel like we're at the beginning of that this is this is probably the The the whole hobbyist area now for for this kind of stuff like all all all of these console games are a starting point what I would actually love to see is Somebody take advantage of this as a platform and go on Kickstarter and do a retro style a new game Like an indie game that was a retro style and put it out as a rom and I let me go buy it and Kickstart it and and play it that way for somebody that doesn't want to you know Necessarily go the route of trying to try to publish Through the through the new routes. Yeah, I completely agree. I was just going to talk about that If I want to make an indie game today and it's got kind of a cool retro look to it or whatever I'm making an homage to something older like shovel nights a great example of this This is a great game. It looks like an NES game. It plays like one It's an excellent game in all respects and it matches with that kind of retro thing That seems like the perfect place for something like this It could be playing on any of these devices be played well there, but Whether the incentives for that developer to go that route instead of through steam or instead of through xbox live arcade or Whatever other modern method there is where the where the quote-unquote audience is Do you think that's kind of an uphill battle for them to try to I don't know try to go indie on both hardware and software Yeah, it's probably, you know, it's a place where you're probably repurposing like a mobile app You've already developed and are putting in the ios store and and for an extra whatever five bucks You get people the option to go have the the rom version of it so they can play it on their console at home That they've set up something like that, right? Well, if you are interested into seeing more about this Keep your eye on my twitter account. It's got johnson and of course you can follow andy beach as well and see Photos and things and progress on these various projects. I'm pretty excited to start getting shots of this cabinet And sharing it with the world Uh, so people can see what we got going on there and I don't know why I'm so driven It's this like weird nostalgia thing Whatever you want to call it, but I feel when I when I crack open joust And play that and play it well as if it was in the arcade I feel like i'm a kid You know, I may as well be in the arcade again. It's the best thing in the world So when I when I built this originally I I thought uh, it's sitting right outside my office door I'm going to be using this all the time And I think my wife has actually used it more to go play dig dug like I have found her randomly playing dig dug in our hallway Then you know then in more times than I care to count You should do you know, she'd do we should all do this. It should be a stand-up cabinet out in the hallway But on it should be running all the time sinister because sinister is always yelling Remember that you walk by the arcade and sinister it goes sinister or whatever Run and you'd have to freak you out and you go I got to put a quarter in that That's the way you keep yourself nice and distracted during your work day It's my bit of advice Big thanks to everybody by the way submitted stories today In our headlines, you can do those and participate in that by voting for stories at daily tech news show dot reddit.com Amazing contributors there as always Let's get to our pick of the day send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show dot com and you can find more picks At daily tech news show dot com slash picks ours today is going to be retro pie for the uh raspberry pie Get it a github Not retro pie. Yeah retro pie. It's what's guy keep on to say retro kade because that's printed on mine That says retro kade and kind of a nintendo writing thing But uh, anyway, it's easy to get easy to install. There are like I don't know dozens of youtube videos that walk you through exactly what to do My goal now and I didn't tell you about this andy, but i'm stoked about it Is i'm going to make my own uh interface So it's there's pretty easy instructions on how to take like the xml files and What transparent pngs are going to do and how they're going to work and build your own interface So you can create like preview videos of what the game is You can have some i'm going to have some salty looking arcade do with this hat backwards like playing an arcade machine or something Like it's going to be right You can also do your own uh boot screen. You cannot you can do your own loader video or Uh still image really so that the thing boots up you can have it be like uh scott johnson or frog pants specific Uh booter i'm going to do that too then because mind the way I have it now it's boring super boring Uh, let's get to our message of the day feedback at daily tech news show dot com is the address to use And here it is who's this from uh, we got this is an anonymous person They wanted to stay anonymous. They're a grateful patron and they said this Just a quick response to justin's take on old-fashioned advertisers being resistant to change Well, that might be true in so many areas advertisers have moved their budget to digital in this case AB testing with randomized control groups is very hard to do offline But it's the hallmark of what is easy to do in the digital world What is surprising is that the big advertising platforms like google and facebook are developing extremely sophisticated attribution blank boxes Uh black boxes rather I should say I says this is actually a traditional approach used in old marketing instead of using the power of digital and running randomized control trials I thought that was interesting just from the perspective of um New I don't want to say new media is not the right word, but a company like google who have who has pioneered the very essence and foundation of Of successful online advertising Still relies on old school methods Right get the job done It's crazy Well done google and well done facebook. I suppose Uh, also charles wrote in sent us this heads up regarding a bill bill making in a way that's uh, or that's making its way through the house Sorry, he writes this. I know it's not tech per se But it's part and parcel of overall id security and fraud prevention prevention. I'm sure it will apply to electronic documents as well Bill hr 624 aka social security fraud prevention act 2017 is sponsored by representative david, uh valedo of california Uh, this bill prohibits federal departments and agencies from including the social security account number of any individual on the document Or any document sent by mail Unless the department or agency head determines that inclusion of that social security document on the document is necessary That number on the document is necessary Departments and agencies must issue regulations within one year of this bill's enactment That specify this uh circumstances under which the inclusion of the social security account numbers on mail documents is necessary Does that make you feel better andy about your personal information? Assuming you lived Where this bill passes it makes me It's an already a scenario Hmm Yeah, this keeps happening right you keep finding out about stuff where you thought there maybe was already a law protecting you and that's not Right. That's always good. Yeah, like finding out. Oh, um, this law will make it so Your neighbor can't hear everything you say on your phone. Oh, they can do that now. Yes. Well, all right great Good to know Thank you, charles always good to get good emails from people Tom especially appreciates that feedback at daily technosh news show dot com is where you'll send that Let's check in with len see how I was drawing for the week's going. Then what do you got there, buddy? Oh, you know, uh raspberry pi great, uh discussion by the way And it makes me want to go out there and just uh and grab one of these things But you know, uh, the the games that are we talked about this pre show that are really popular on there Are the ones from like super nintendo nintendo, you know nintendo A lot of mario games and stuff like that and I think that mario would not be happy About being copied. Uh, so uh, so mario here in this image is uh, is basically doing the kid thing Where you're saying stop copying me quick copying me quick copying me and that's what it is your best part about You got grumpy pac-man behind this Not too happy about it either. Oh, he has not much to say Maybe he'll say walk a walker which all translates into quick copying me. Uh, but yeah, that's this week's uh This week's wonderful memorial day Going in the moral day weekend image Which is available right now if you want to get real if you want to get real twisted by about it By the way, if it looks like he's about to kick a very deadly red shell At himself Yeah, things get real ugly there. It could get really ugly very ugly and you know, it's interesting because it's you know, it's uh, I don't know. I mean, uh, I don't know how How nintendo would feel about necessarily all that all that being out there people love I think the discussion kind of took the vent vent into wanting to Go back with nostalgia and everything So, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if uh, maro would be on top of all that stuff Yeah, I never know, but uh, where can people find this print and others if they want to? Oh, yeah, they can go to lenperaltestore.com right now. It's on the front page Along with a bunch of other stuff that you can get and also if you get uh, if you you can also back me a patreon patreon.com Forward slash len Uh, back me at the dts lover level and you'll get this as a digital file. It's you'll you'll get it immediately. It's great Wow, that's awesome. All right. Well, thanks, man. We really appreciate it always good to see you Yes, uh, andy beach it has been my pleasure to have you with me today while we're you know, keeping the keeping the fork down for tom Uh, please by all means tell me more about where people can find you online Where they can find information about some of the simulation stuff you're working on and more Uh, uh, best way to find me is on twitter. I'm at andy beach And everything ends up there. Uh, it's it's a random collection of life. It's Cool tech i'm working on it's pictures of my dumb dog and the dumb thing she does and Pictures of my kid and how adorable she is and all all the old cars I find when I go out for walks in the afternoon So yeah, it's all it's uh, you can count it stuff's always there I can always count on it when I check out twitter It's always a joy and it's uh, my pleasure to have you on man. Thanks again for being here. Yeah, it was a lot of fun Thanks, Scott. Uh, I want to thank uh you people out there. That's the patrons who helped tom out Honestly, the show probably doesn't exist without that and I'm I definitely don't exist on the show without it So please continue to support the show and uh buy a mug or tell a friend sometimes supporting the show Is just telling somebody you'll like about it. Maybe they'll pick it up and check it out one way the other uh do that And uh, do you ever wonder about what we talked about before the show starts? 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It's great. I the only thing I regret is getting I was just confused on that lift thing I even read the lift article and I don't know why it didn't yeah I might have written it Kind of odd Well, I even read the link and I still didn't get it I'm like I went and went to the page went through it and it still wasn't dawning on me that this was I always think of everything from a consumer's point of view So that's probably me and my own bias. That's what that was. I think part of it is just to make it More attractive for people to sign up as Lift drivers rather than uber drivers Because like oh no now I can Plan a week like a some guy needs to get to the airport or he needs to go to the Like a doctor's appointment or something, you know, all that stuff is stuff people typically plan well in advance Yeah, that's actually kind of cool. You know what would be kind of neat Is if they if they can do something where they have a plug in for google calendars and you just plug it in And then automatically Like oh, I need to go to hospital appointment and then you just put lift and then it ranges it for you Yeah, I like that That's the thing I want to be able to do which I don't think you can still do with lift yet But I want to be able to Order a car for like my mother-in-law Have it go pick her up at her house and take her to the airport So they don't have to get up at four o'clock in the morning and do it No, that would be great. I mean it would be See, this is a thing as soon as automated driving becomes a normal Regular unscary thing for most people You'd be able to do that, right? It's like, all right. Well, you know, I don't even care if a human does it I just don't want that human to be me That's right Totally dude You pay like can you imagine you pay like maybe 200 bucks a month and it's a subscription fee and it Instead of renting a car you just rent a ride, right? So it's it's like a car share Yeah Like oh, I bought a new couch or a sofa lounger at Ikea Pick me up, you know, whatever lift pick up truck or something I can throw it in the back and then take me home Yeah, I mean I meant that I think that's pretty good I especially like the mother-in-law angle because when you got people coming in town, you don't want to dink Because like I'm kind of sick of driving Oh, I'm honest. I'm only I'm a middle-aged guy and I have a car, but I really just Driving that it's just I'm over it wait till your daughter gets older and you become what I call doober on weekends Yeah, because doober you got to drive your kids and all their friends everywhere. Yes You're in the car for hours on a saturday. Yeah Bad and when you've got I don't know I've got three kids Let's got more than me But it doesn't matter anything more than one one is good enough to have Eight of their friends trying to go somewhere So do any of your kids like really want to drive or they just like Oh, so that's a good question and this should we should actually next time there's like a car related Show like because that happens, right? It'll be about something to do with auto automated cars or whatever We should bring this very issue up And I have to believe the data would support that my kids aren't alone, but neither of my middle and youngest kids Have really any interest in driving and they're not it's not they don't they don't like it or they're afraid of it they just don't understand what the big deal is and the reason they don't is because We have a transit system that works really great all across the town We have lots of other ways for people to get around and with all the uber and lyft and everything else plus The prospect of driverless cars one day And automated car services They're like, well, why would I want to spend five grand on a beater or 20 grand on a new car? Whatever, why would I want to do any of that in the future? And I think there may be onto something like they may be the first generation where they're just I I would have I would have been skeptical of those claims if not for the fact that back in revision three A couple a bunch of our interns, but also younger p. A's were Of the same mindsets like like I don't have my driver's license yet. Yeah, don't you're like you're like you're almost 20 You don't have a driver's license like no It's no longer that thing where like I gotta have a car gotta have a car gotta have a car I got I need to cruise state or whatever These don't seem to need it now or or something when I was a kid I mean Len you can probably commiserate. We're about the same age I was like shite. I gots to get me a car. We're right, right? I can't I can't have my license fast. You have to you had to be driving by the time you were 16 or you were a loser Yeah, you sucked. You had no girlfriends and no life if you don't have a car And now I remember I had this I remember that discussion so clearly in highscarf and one was like, you know, I'm turning 16 next month I'm gonna get my driver's license like why it's like because I have I keep drives like all right, right When I lived in New York, you could always tell the people who grew up in New York because they'd be 30 And they didn't have a driver's license Because never it was like, where am I going to drive? Why do I need this? That's all my old my middle daughter got a state ID and that's good enough for her because Legal stuff she needs and see my my 18 year old son. He got uh, he's flying for the first time in Next month and he wants he wanted to drive anyway. So we got his temps Um, but yeah state ID was you know, let's let's just go that route If you're telling me I could pay let's say I pay 150 a month For some basic car service I don't know what the price would be but let's just say that's what it is. Let's say it's 200 fine Let's say it's 200 that's still less than a car payment for the most cars And if it came and just picked me up and it's a freaking robot all the better I I prefer I'm really looking forward to non-person driving lift pickups because I want robots to do it I trust them more. I don't want to hear about their cat Well, it's it's yeah, it's it will cut down on the amount of money you say you spend on insurance The car payment. Hey, this is something I wanted to bring up. I don't know if you guys have ever heard of this Maybe maybe I'm late on this but have you heard about car subscription services? No, but is it like this except it's like city. Is it like It's it's not it's not a lease well, no zip zip car is It's like a car share where you essentially I mean they have in san francisco. I don't know if they have it out in LA But you basically sign up and you pay A certain amount per month. Yeah, then you go to wherever the cars parked and just they're They're across the city and they have their designated parking spot to know their car can park except No, I know that because that's in Seattle No, this sounds to me and I might be getting this completely wrong But it's not a lease you are you're paying a subscription fee per month for a car So you have the car you don't own it. You'd have to do anything to it Uh, and then you can just you can just keep switching them out. Maybe that's maybe it's just maybe that's what it is maybe that's But it sounded to me like it was more it was like it was replacing the idea of a lease on a car Yeah, it was a subscription service to a car We have a thing here in oh, sorry go ahead Roger. I was just real quick titles Emulating is easy as pie Is that an arcade in your pocket emulation nation? Classic is all get out intrude alert intrude alert Generation emulation the game on the plane is mainly on the main This is the best lineup of titles I've ever been That's good. Yeah, I think I mean the one that's winning is pretty good I think is that an arcane your pocket is awesome, but I don't know if that one I really like a game on the plane is mainly that's good Mainly on the main sorry, that's a good one. That's great Come on start like so we're going with um Let me see what you just want the game on the plane is mainly on the main. That's funny Yeah, that's very creative very creative apologies to bio cow for two very strong submissions, but yeah, that's pretty good Well done bio cow Mission strength submission is damnit bio cow meaning Life is a beach. I'm giving a vote just because I want to Just give her throwing Andy a little All right, thanks to the live audience for tuning in and supporting the show I want to thank Andy as well as scott for filling in while tom is out and len as always for Generating the awesome art. I'm gonna kill the audio first because it's scraping the youtube video That's off. All right, and now I stopped the live broadcast