 Had never brought him up on the show. This would be the first time I really just brought him up and talked about him. Like, I listened to, was it, I'm chilling with my bra and you already know. Yep. I'm chilling with my bra and you already know. And if you wanna reach me, be on the dyno. We on Boss Talk 101, 101. Yeah, we gonna talk. I look at you and I thank God for you because I look at you and you went through the, you know, Nipsey Hustle, he passed away. You were recording with him when he passed away. PMC, the same thing. You had the opportunity to work with him and I'm probably missing somebody. I don't even know. Big Hulk. Big Hulk. He was the last person to be in a studio with him before he passed away. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Like he left my studio and I didn't work in it for months. Wow. He left that night and hours later he was dead. Man, I didn't even know that. So how was Big Hulk as a person? I never have, cause I had never brought him up on the show. This would be the first time I really just brought him up and talked about him. Like I listened to, was it, I'm chilling with my brother and you already know. Yep. I'm chilling with my brother and you already know. And if you wanna reach me, be on the download. You know, I'm Texas, so I'm gonna know the song. But how was he as a person in that studio? A real cool dude, man. He was like a big teddy bear, really. Really? Yeah. The gentleman's act. Real cool fella, bro. Genuine, everything he said, his conversations were always genuine. So he was Fat Pads brother. Yeah. You can be my baby, baby, if you keep it real. One love for what thug, let me tell you how I feel. And so when you would deal with him, he wasn't in no street, none of that. No. Cause I'm hearing that they mistaked him for somebody else. Not when I was dealing with him. I never knew. He was, man, the man left my house because he was like, look, I gotta, it's time for me to get, I gotta get out of here cause I got to, you know, get my kids to bath and getting ready for bed. He was that type of dude, man. So, you know, like, nah, he wouldn't like that. So you hear that, like I was later that he gets, you know, like I said, I heard it was a mistake. Somebody, they thought it was somebody else or something. That's what I heard through the great mind. But anyway, once you hear it, what are your thoughts? I didn't believe it. I called his phone a million times. Yeah. I just didn't want to believe it. You know what I'm saying? So it was, it's crazy when you have a person that, we, our last conversation was like, man, I'm so happy we're working together. I was like, me too, man, we're going to do some big things, yada, yada, yada. We hug each other and you know, depth each other up. And you know, I'm thinking, okay, tomorrow I'm gonna see you tomorrow and we're going to go back to work. And it never happened. Wow. And here's the reason I asked you that, leading up to that question about a big Hulk or a Pimp C or a Nip C is because there's younger guys now that are producing. That are facing some of the same issues. I just did, what's it, Heartbeats the other night and he lost JD Younger. Yeah. JD Younger got killed or something, had nothing to do with him. I don't want to say too much online. Of course. But then he had nothing to do with him. You would think all that, all that stuff. All that stuff would have, you know, caught up to him, but nah, it had nothing to do with him. You know what I mean? After he was working with him. Could it be that God sometimes let you go through these things because other people that you may know may go through some things that you already have dealt with and you'll be able to give them some encouraging words? I think it can be that way. But, you know, we live in a world where we have the freedom to make our own decisions. Correct. So, you know, God does have intervention in some of the things that we do, but some of the things that we go through are because of the decisions that we make. Correct, I agree with that. I agree with that. It's just a tough situation all the way because I don't think that people really realize when you're working with a person in the music industry, especially if you're coming from the bottom together, it's a family. So when you lose that person, you're not only losing a family member, but all of the work and everything that you've been putting in has been destroyed, you know what I mean? And sometimes the immediate family don't understand that part. When a person like a rap group member loses their member, it's devastated. It's a lot of things that's going on, a lot of different dynamics. So I think that it's an awful situation to be in. Man, when Nip got killed, it was awful. It hurt. I didn't really get to grieve. The way I wanted to, I didn't get to say goodbye to him. The way I wanted to, all of these things got, I didn't have access to him because we didn't have the same blood, but that's my nephew. Muggle and they know that. Logo on my flow map. Core side, Chamberlain, throwback, match my Rolex. Yeah, yeah. And I don't think a lot of people understand the hardship that you go through when you don't get the proper closure from people like that. And then too, if you're doing work with them and you're trying to finish things and you're getting interference because people don't understand why you're really doing what you're doing. Everybody gets into the money grab thing or oh, I don't know what you're doing, just don't do that. We're the family, you know what I mean? But it's a family outside of them lines. Mm-hmm. But can you blame them sometimes because, and you should know this being an intimate business, you have a lot of people who, under false pretends that make it harder for the ones who really have a true heart that want to do right. Right. But that's what you have to do to do diligence enough to figure out who they are. The thing I was asking was like, and I can't answer my own question like with you going through it and it does help the other people. The reason I say it helps that you've already been through it. Just like when I interviewed Heartbeats, I brought your name up now that I think about it. And I was like, cause sometimes it's hard dealing with certain situations after the person's passed on. Or I might've just brought the situation up because of what me and you discussed about just sometimes how confrontational you can be trying to get projects processed after that. And I asked him and I was like, how tough was it? And he say he just deal with the record label and you remember me talking to him about that? So it was basically trying to understand how difficult it's been for him to get projects processed when they have so much music in his database because he worked with him and mostly only him. Yeah. I mean, it's, you definitely have an experience of it is, you know what I mean? It's something that you really can build from. You know, I've been through it so many times, I understand it now, you know what I mean? And I talk to people about it all the time. That's why I wrote a book because I wanted people to understand the dynamics of what you're doing. So I can give him the business, the biz? You got to give them the biz. If you don't do business with a person along with being a family member, whatever it is that you're doing and having love for a person and something happened to them and you've invested money into a project or time or whatever it is and you don't have the proper paperwork to cover yourself, to protect you, you're gonna lose. As you talk about a book, how long has the book been out now? It's been out since March. How has it been going? I've sold right at about 1800 copies. Oh, that's good. So then I'm self-published. So you know what I mean? I'm really pleased with that. Okay, that's awesome. So when is the next one coming out? You know, we always come here. I have another one called No Spotlights that I'm getting, that it's in the stage of getting ready to be printed out. What's that about? It's about my personal travels through the music business and the things that I had to go through and being behind the scenes and all of that. And why the name No Spotlight? Because I feel like I've never been in The Spotlight. I've been, I'm this guy that has millions of records sold on his name, but I've never been in The Spotlight. But at the same time, I posted something on my threads the other day. I said, do you prefer to have fame or wealth? Well, and everybody say, well, but at the same time, the question was in the entertainment industry, is it possible to have one without the other? And in my mind, let me answer that question. On my perspective, when you tell me what you think, my perspective of that is the only way to have wealth without the fame is in certain fields within entertainment like what you have. You understand what I mean? Because you can get a wealth doing what you do, but like you said, you're no spotlight. And sometimes you might feel like you want a spotlight because you want a recognition, you want to shine. But with that come other things that you might not want to. You see what I mean? So what is your point of view on that? I don't want to spotlight. I think me not having a spotlight has nourished my career to keep it where I can continue to reinvent myself and be fresh to everybody. Cause people looking me like, oh, that's Mr. Lee, that's the guy that did this. Man, you raised me on your music. Oh my God, this, you know, because they don't see me all the time. But it's only a few know that if they do the research because when growing up listening to music, I'm listening to music, I'm hearing the artist. I'm seeing the artist. I don't really care about who made the beat unless or anything else behind the scene. All I care about is music. You know what I'm saying? Which I would think majority of people like that unless you're just into the music, you're like, ooh, that's a dope beat. That's a dope. Let me see who made that. Right. You know what I mean? So it's weird that way.