 So we're here at the Mobile World Congress here in Barcelona. Who are you? Hi, I'm Janko Mersic-Vlogel. I'm CEO of Planet Computers. And who are you? I'm Davide Guidi, CEO of Planet Computers. Hi there, I'm Robin Parker, CEO and CFO of Planet Computers. So at Planet Computers you are launching the Gemini, right? That's right. We're launching the Gemini PDA. This is here. Yeah, you can see the different angles. So this is the clamshell PDA. So it's got a full integrated keyboard. So the keyboard comes with the device. You can see how it looks. It's a fully tactile keyboard so it's very, very nice to touch. And this is a mechanical prototype, right? Yeah, you can close it so you can see there's a very special hinge. You can close it and it tucks away the keyboard nicely and it's a metal design. It's very, very easy to, very protective and easy to close. So you can open and close. And a very large screen ultra-wide display. So this will be 2880 pixels horizontal by 1440 pixels vertical. So 2 by 1 ratio. Is that the similar display that LG just talked about, right? Yes, it's those kind of displays that are coming out because of the virtual reality glasses. So you're going to have like 2 by 1 which fits very nicely with these type of... It's also maybe optimized for the next generation display factory. They can cut the glass easily in this size. This is now because of the VR glasses we can get this form factor again which we've been missing for quite a while. And the Italian filmmaker, the LG press conference said this is the best way to experience movies. It's certainly a good way to experience movies because you can have some area on the side for control as well. So it's a good thing. That's cool. So what's the challenge you have right now? What kind of technological things do you have to do to get this out? How soon? You're the CTO? Yes, well, a few things. First of all we have to complete the campaign, that's the first step. And then we have basically to create everything. So we have to find the right board. We are talking with several. We have to have the right software. So a number of applications will be updated to use the fully wide landscape mode. And we have just to make it right. There is a lot of expectation about this device because the old Cyan was so much loved by the people. So we have just to make it right. So the Indiegogo launch yesterday? Yes, we launched 2 p.m. yesterday. So thank you for all the contributions. I think it's raised about $110,000 now. It's probably about 28 hours into the campaign. So just over a day. And maybe we'll get to the full 200,000 target by tomorrow. So thank you very much for supporting the project. And we'll do our best to create a really good job. I've been a sign user myself. And I built the web browser on the Cyan 5MX. And also the Revo Plus. And I'm very keen to get this format back on the road. And as I can see from the market, it's very much something that everybody is very keen. So a lot of support on the net and here at the show. And the keyboard right now on this sample feels really like the original Cyan? Yeah, this is still a Cyan, but it will be very similar. Actually the row of keys on the top will be slightly longer. And the keys are slightly different, but the travel is exactly the same. So you'll get that quality feel, quality press that hasn't been on mobile devices for quite a while. And this is kind of extremely, extremely important. People are, I mean, I guess I'm wondering where are the keyboards gone? Like people are just using touch screens. You know, we're kind of turning a little bit into consumer society. And it's very easy to prevent people from doing things by just having the touch and just having the consumption. And what we're trying to do is get the creative people out there again. You know, we've been communicating with text for, you know, hundreds of years. And we're trying to bring back that creativity back in the hands of a mobile user. So you can do it on the go, not just on your laptop, but you can really do it on the go wherever you want. Get all these people to do some work again. It's not just work. You know, you're creating, you're writing. It's not just work, but it can be done for work. So, you know, editing a small spreadsheet on the plane or, you know, editing a document, it's there. It could also be just writing a nice long email to somebody, which, you know, you can't really do properly on a touch screen. It's very difficult. And most people have cases anyway, so it's not like more complicated. It's a gold case. We have a gold version that we're crowdfunding for about a thousand dollars. So there's rose gold and gold, but the usual one is 349 for the first 600 units. So that actually meets our target. So that's real gold? It's gold plated. Real gold plated. That's actually exciting, because all these virtue and weird brands that do luxury phones are not very exciting. This should be sold like in the... So I agree, you know, we should put it in a very luxury... It's going to be a luxury brand, and we want to have it luxury. But you're the half price of an iPhone. It's on the crowdfunding, yes, but the street price will be much more. So it will be more on the sort of 599 level. So it's very important to have a nice... Have a look at the hinge, because this is really, we're very proud of this. So as I open the device, the hinge opens up and creates a little stand for the device. So this is extremely, this is the really cool thing that you create this little stand. And then when you fold it back, you know, it's basically, it basically goes back like this. So this is really a magic hinge again by Martin Riddiford, who's the designer of the original Scion 5 MX. And so you were involved in doing the, what did you say, browser? We did the web browser for the Scion 5 and the Rivo, Scion Rivo Plus. When was that? In the late 90s. And so this is going to be, this is going to be huge, right? People are very excited. We're very excited. You know, we're excited. We're really happy about the support and, you know, the more support we get, the better device we'll make. But it's also very important to get all the technology right and stable. And in the picture, I saw some people holding it like this. There's a speaker actually. There's going to be a microphone. Yeah, there's a microphone around here and the speaker. You can see the speaker kind of dots there. And there's also a voice assist button that you can do voice commands without opening the unit. So you can also hold it up like as a phone, kind of? It's a speaker phone, but you can use Bluetooth or headphones as well. So, you know, there's a, there's a headphone slot here and you can use Bluetooth as well. You can't quite hold it like this, like this. Maybe a little bit. It's not going to operate like you could hold it, you could hold it like this. You could hold it like this and, but it's still going to be a speaker phone. So it will, you know, it can lower the volume and potentially talk like this if you really need it to. But we still see it as a all in one device, but also potentially as a secondary device where you have a phone. So it's an all in one device. You can make calls on it, on the 4G version. The real productive people have anyways Bluetooth headsets, right? Bluetooth headsets or just headphones will do. It's fine. Like a headset headphone, you know, it's fine. And there's a Decacore MediaTek, right? Yes. Tencore. This is in our preliminary spec. Decacore MediaTek X25 with the MaliCo processor for graphics and 64 gigs of storage, 4 gigs of RAM. It's fantastic. Micro SD? Micro SD, yes. Micro SD slot. And then something else that we're trying to put in, which is a SIM slot, normal SIM slot, but also an eSIM slot. So, you know, the eSIMs, that means you can download your phone number. You can have multiple phone numbers. We're trying to experiment with that. So we'll see how that goes as well. That's nice. So you don't even need to have a phone number. You can just download your phone number into the secondary SIM slot. But we still yet to confirm exactly those features. You need to have dual standby, maybe to support that or something. We'll see. That's up to, I guess. You know, this is, it's either going to operate as a single eSIM, SIM slot. We're not sure about that, but it will definitely have an eSIM and a SIM slot as a combination. Over time. I'd like to see multiple SD card slots. We thought about that. We thought about that. But basically, because the SD slot is hidden behind here, when you open this part, it's hidden behind there. We thought that, let's say, having two slots for copying is not as easy to do because they're hidden behind here. It's not quite for copying. It's just for storage. I'll find 100 gigs, you know. We removed that feature right now. And there's a huge battery used. You talk about a huge battery. Yeah, it's 8000mAh battery, which will be just below the keyboard all the way through the device. Is that like a week's battery life? Two weeks standby. That's the plan. Two weeks standby? All right. Two weeks standby. Vibration? Sorry? Vibrate is going to vibrate. There'll be something, yes. There'll be something. We haven't got that feature implemented yet. Implemented yet. We don't know the exact vibrate circuit, but it has to do something. There will definitely be user feedback, so it can be multi-color led or vibration. There'll be external feedback. There will definitely be something. Yeah, there'll be external feedback. But if you put an assignment mode in your pocket, you need to be able to feel it. Yes, that's right. All right. And then what's it called? So, let's hope tomorrow it's fully funded. How soon is it shipping? That would be great. The first units are shipping in November, so this is what we're expecting. Estimated date, November, sometime in November. Is there any chance you can do it sooner? No, because we try to do the timeline so that we can actually do it rather than have delays or something. We're trying to get the timeline right. It will take us about four months for the circuitry, and then we need to tool up for the production, and the software is not in parallel with that. So, we think then there's some testing for the mobile networks, so the schedule, certification. So, you know, certification on its own will take a bit of time. So, this is kind of where the dates kind of end up, November for the first early bird backers. Because if there's no CE certification, the German customs are consented back to wherever it comes from. No, absolutely CE certification. But, you know, there's mobile certification as well as just the CE compliance. The electromagnetic testing, EMC testing is one part of it. But, you know, it looks nice. There's a lot of work when it comes to things like that. There's a lot of work still going, right? Yes. We announced it as a concept, not a prototype. So, we announced it as a concept, and, you know, that's where we are. And we're really pleased about the backing. Do you put the antennas on the ends? Of course. And you can see these parts are not metal, so you get good reception, right? Not all metal, so you're going to be... And USB Type-C? Two USB-C. Two? One on each side, yeah. Is that supported by the media tech? We'll figure it out. We'll get it done. You'll figure it out, sir? Yeah, because there's a... don't forget, there's a... USB-C is like a... USB-C is like a... You can make a little hub, right? So, why not have two like this, you know? Display port? Output? Yes, yes. Display outside with the hub. Not without the hub, yes. So, display outside, display. No need for the hub, you just direct it to the display. No, no, no, it's not... No, you need a hub. You need a hub. You need a little hub, yes. All right. All right, that's cool. So, an LTE, fast LTE, right? That's included with the Deccan port. So, there's a preliminary spec on the net, on the bands, and so on, you can find it on the Indiegogo page. The issue with the media tech sometimes... Sometimes it's not so good in the US. There's been some improvements on that recently. So, yeah, yeah, there's been some certification. There's now four media tech devices, at least four media tech devices that we know that have now been approved in the US. So, I believe it works fine in the US. Yes, you know, on certain networks, yes. And we hope, you know, we'll bring out some more details on that. But we know that there's like four phones now operating in the US with a media tech chipset. NFC, removable battery? No, no, removable battery, yes. No, removable battery, yes, yes, yes. NFC not in this version. Not in this version. We'll see, because it's metallic? No, you can put it here. You know, you can put it here. We have to see. You can have NFC in your watch anyways. Just get a smaller watch. We'll see how that goes. You need the supporting software. There's a certain timeline for NFC. You need supporting software. There's a certain timeline. So, we know what we can do in the time. So, what's your background? Well, my background is in computer science, neural networks and telecom. I've worked with first SMS services, some of the first WAP. We wrote the first WAP application for Ericsson. I launched the first app store in the world, which was Midletcentral.com for Java games. And I launched some of the first personal cloud services in the world. And this is kind of one of the things that I've been missing for many years. I'm also coming from the computer science side, artificial intelligence as well. And I've worked with Yankos since 2008. And we work on software mainly. So, I work on the personal cloud, which we provide to several telecom operators around the world. Plus, other innovation projects that we've done during the years. Cool. What do you do? So, my background is in finance and accounting. And then post that, it's all been in manufacturing of consumer electronic goods. Cool. Getting it real. Getting it real, making it happen. It's very important to make it happen. That's the thing. Kind of like what Tim Cook is, his background, right? Exactly. He's like, what's it called? The engineering that needs to happen to get the factory to make it right. So, getting the backers to back the project is one thing. And we're extremely grateful for having them on-site. Then the real work starts. And that's where the fun and games starts. And we're committed to make this thing happen. It becomes a huge, huge, even more huge success. And people are more talking about it. What's going to happen with the team? You need more people, right? Yes. And don't forget, you're not seeing the design team here. The design team back in London. They're very, very excited about what's been going on here. So, they've come up with this whole model and we really love it. And now we're going to make it a reality, hopefully, with the backing. I've been coming to Mobile World Congress for eight years in a row. And every time Sam saw all these companies, it's like disappointing. They're not coming with interesting stuff. The form factors are the same. And they're aimed at the consumer. We're really trying to aim this at the creative person. So, create an organized rather than to, you know, just have a tablet that can do anything. I think this will be a very, very gear device towards the creative people in society.