 Well, we started here and we'll just plan on going for a roll call if you're able to get them rolling. Neil, Larry present David, Drosz. Here, Jack Livingston here. Courtney Michelle present. Sandra Stewart present. Liz Oz, actually she messaged me and said she wouldn't be here. Who? Liz had messaged. Okay, send a message saying she wouldn't go to make it tonight. And Joe sent a message that he's not going to make it as well. Okay, sounds good. I see a little warm on Courtney Michelle's machine. Hopefully. Um, that's just temporary and she's able to. Joining the conversation here. Well, well, it's good to see all of you. Why don't we start with our. Approval of the minutes from our September transportation advisory board meeting. Is there a motion to. No, we can have any discussion minutes. I'll make the motion to approve the minutes from the September board meeting. All right, Jack, is there a 2nd? 2nd, great. And what was that 2nd from Courtney Michelle? Yes, okay, awesome. Cool. Any comments on the minutes? Yes, Andy, there was 1 when I spoke about the accident. Um, of a skateboarder, a person being hit by a car. It wasn't on my street. It was in my neighborhood and if they needed to know the exact street, I'd be happy to say it, but it wasn't. It was recorded as being on my street and it was not. So, it was in my neighborhood, but not on my street. Clarification there. I guess it was the age. There's reference to to my comment about the fact that. To have speed limits less than 25 month. Yeah, application team, besides is in our city's best intro doing so. But the sentence that says. Amend from 20 miles per hour to 5 miles per hour. That's actually not how the conversation went. I'm missing a 5% a 5 mile speed limit here in Longmont, but at least want to be able to consider the. Uh, the 20 mile per hour. So, uh, Stacy, does that make sense? I see what you're I see what you're talking about. Niel, this is Tyler. Okay, thank you. Is that corrected? Any other comments on the minutes? Okay, so with. Any other additional comments before we, uh, uh, forward with that, uh. If you will incorporate those comments. Jack, are you made them comfortable with those? Yes, I am. That's all right thumbs up. All right, or Courtney, since we don't see your video, are you, uh, uh, approving the minutes? Yes, sounds good. Are there any. I think the, uh, we can consider the minutes from September patient advisory board meeting. Um, great, uh, any communication from staff today? I don't have anything at this point. I think Phil's on the line as well. Phil, did you have anything? I just want to give folks heads up. We could certainly talk about this at the November meeting, but. Just in case that doesn't happen, or if it's too close to the time, there is 2 meetings scheduled for Thursday, November 12th by the by Boulder County. 1 is a virtual public workshop for County line East County line road that's specific to Longmont and that starts at 430 and goes to 6 o'clock and they'll obviously doing that virtually. Virtual public workshop, right? Um, and then also. For some reason, just about the same time from 530 to 630, they're having a. Virtual public meeting on US 287 corridor from. Basically north of Longmont down into broom field to where it touches or joins up with. Uh, US 36. So, if you're interested in either or both of those. And I know I am, um, I will, we'll, we'll be going to both meetings. But if you just, if you just want to focus on 1, that's fine as well. But again, the. East County line road 1 starts about 430, but I think it's going to be a. Public workshops, so I think it's come as you can kind of thing. The 287, I'm not sure, but it sounds like since it's only an hour, it's probably starts at 530 and. We'll last until 630 and be full of chock full of information as well. So. Just want to let you know those 2 things before it gets too close on your calendars. Yes, Andy. Well, they send us a link or will you send us a link to tell us how to jump on and hear it? Yeah, I'm going to figure out if they're, I'm sure they're going to try to do some public outreach. So we'll make sure that. As they release those links, we'll make sure that you get those. Okay, as well. Thank you. Great. Any other comments from staff or follow up questions there from advisory board members. All right, hearing none, we'll move forward. Are there any members of the public here who are on the call? Okay, we'll keep on marching forward that. I think our first item up on the bed is around our crash report. So, Tyler, I'll let you take it from there. Thanks, Neil, the board. Thank you for your time tonight. Happy to. Good discussion tonight about crashes and long want the train with me tonight. I've got Caroline Michael who did a lot of work on this report. Well, Sergeant Eric Lewis is here on the call as well. I think his video wasn't working, but he has ability we can hear him as well. He'll have some additional information to be available to answer some questions and give some perspective from his end at the next item up after we go to the crash report. But I just want to let you know who's here and able to talk about this tonight right into it. So I sent you guys late yesterday evening, the full crash report. So I don't know if you've had a chance to really look through that and digest it yet. I'm going to kind of run through that and see talk about some of the statistics and trends we're seeing in here, seeing in Longmont and then talk about what we're doing. Some of the safety projects we're working on and next steps for Longmont. So with that, I'm going to share a screen here and let me know and if you have questions. Before I get going, is that showing up for everyone on the screen? Yep. So this report really covers when we do our crash reports, we're looking at a statistical analysis of a five year period. A lot of times. We're looking at five years so that we've got statistical significance when you have small numbers of crashes. It's hard to really get a significant sample size. So that's the reason we're looking at five year data for this data set. So overall crashes in Longmont 2019. Unfortunately, we saw the highest amount of crashes that we've ever seen in Longmont. Our records go back to 1990. 2019 was the highest one we saw a figure similar to this is in the crash report that I sent you it goes all the way back to 1990. Another thing I added to this one is a chart that shows the estimated vehicle miles of travel in Longmont and I was able to go back as far as 2003 to really plot that data on there to show how people or how many miles are driven on roadways in Longmont. You'll notice we've seen, except for recession area we've seen growth in vehicle miles of travel almost every year. In 2008, we saw three or four years of really not much growth and then since 2012 it's been vehicle miles of travel of increase almost every year. And with that you'll see crashes of somewhat followed that same path of VMT so there's some correlation to that. And I would say that we did see a bit of an uptick in our injury or worse crashes in 2019 over 2018 and one of the big areas we saw a big uptick was in our cradle crashes with our. We had six the previous year in 2018 and we had 12 and 2019. And we can talk a little bit more about that later on if you have questions, we want to talk about any of those crashes that happened. There's a little bit of information provided in the crash report on each one a very brief narrative of those. But we can talk about those if needed. This one again for clarity sake and visibility sake on the table it's more it shows a smaller data selection than what's in the report. And then also I plotted this one against vehicle miles of travel to show the rate here. With some positive trends we are seeing population growth in Longmont are seeing more vehicle miles of travel almost every year. That said crash rates and injury or worse crashes are relatively consistent over the years. They're striving for a downward trend in those crash rates and so we still have work to do on our end to get to that to get a decreasing trend on these. Where do the crashes happen in Longmont approximately 60% of all the crashes in Longmont occur at public street intersections one of the things that we're not including in this report is any private. Private property crashes so anything that would happen in your parking lot you're safe where your king supers parking lots that's not included in this data set so really just looking at the public street. Right away crashes and of those 60% of crashes intersections approximately 68% of them happen at signalized intersections and 32% are signalized intersections so. Definitely traffic signals are not always a cure all they don't make all crashes go away by any means. One of the big things with traffic signals that you'll see is the severity is what they really reduce. When the crashes happen generally in Longmont and Sergeant Lewis can attest to this as well he's probably pretty busy in the afternoons. So really from that three to four o'clock hour in the afternoon is is one of the highest hours and then five to six so as people are. Picking up kids from school and coming home from work are really the two most active hours for crashes we have in Longmont in terms of day of the week. Fridays are consistently the highest. The day with the most number of crashes and we've seen the same pattern for this five year period. Months generally December has our highest amount of crashes. And October is the other only month. We saw 1000 crashes but related December one is consistently been the highest crash. Highest month of crashes we've seen as well. Some of the statistics we track DUI crashes. We've seen an increase in DUI crashes. Every year since 2013 those DUI crashes include alcohol and other drugs. Marijuana which was legalized for recreational use in 2014. Medical on asleep sleep medical asleep and fatigue crashes have decreased. Each year since 2016. And of these DUI crashes that happened approximately 42% were in resulted in an injury or worse and the majority were males of the humans. Of those DUI sided drivers approximately 51% were between the ages of 21 and 39 and one of the surprising. Statistics in this that stood out to me as I was looking at this data was that about 10% of those crashes were made up of 15 to 20 year olds so when you really look at. Who's driving and percentage of drivers on the road it's I don't unfortunately don't have statistics on. License and how many what the population of each age of driver is but that's when the DUI. 15 to 20 years old seems over representative and proportion to the number of drivers. 21 to 29 year olds are the ones that the category that had the most asleep at the wheel or 15 crashes about 36% of the all the sleep or 15 crashes. Next we'll talk about vulnerable users vulnerable users are made up of bicyclists pedestrians and motorcycles. We have seen this is a table on a crash rate per population. We are seeing good trends overall and pedestrian and motorcycle crash rates we've seen a couple years of decline and the rates in both of those. We are seeing slight increases in the bicycle crash rates over the last three years. Those bicycle crashes in particular just showing the total numbers it's hard to kind of sometimes it may be hard to grasp the total number when you look at the rate so. We're also looking at the numbers again this would reflect that crash rate we are saying that the overall number of crashes and bicycles each year. The injury bicycle crashes were down slightly in 2019 over 18. We did have to fatal by crashes in 2019 pedestrian crashes again we talk about seeing some downward trends. The overall numbers are down the number of crash pedestrian crashes are going down the crash rates have gone down. In 2019 we had three fatal pedestrian crashes. When we talk about vulnerable users and might so important to focus our efforts on them. When we look at the percentage of users on the roadway or of the crashes that we have a very small percentage of all the crashes are made up of those vulnerable users depends bike and motorcycles. Approximately 95% of the crashes are vehicle only crashes. That said the vulnerable users make up. Approximately 18% of injury crashes 31% of incapacitating injuries and 51% of fatal crashes so that's a big number for. The number of crashes that they're involved in. When we look at fatal crash rates so city of one month versus other cities in Colorado. A lot of months sort of in the middle of the pack we're not the best we're not the worst we have we have work to do. I will note there is a discrepancy in the data here. In the 2018 I think you'll see it elsewhere in here that there are eight. It'll crashes the reason for that is the source of the data here this data is pulled from the far as the fatal accident reporting system. And I use that data to be consistent amongst all cities they report 6 in their database and just for the purpose of this table that's the comparison that was used here. With this data what do we do how do we use it. Like I said statistical analysis of all the crashes and long route use it as a screening tool to help identify where we might have higher than expected or or high crash locations. Each of these we do we wait the crashes based on severity so a. Fender bender property damage only crash is going to not work this score we waited as heavily as an injury or if you don't crash. And then we run a handful of equations and if you have questions about those Caroline's probably the best to talk about those. But also when we come up with a weighted crash rate to determine what is what has a crash rate over crash index over anything over one. This makes our high crash list and those when it's an over one crash index. Using this as a screening tool it's really telling us we need to take another look at this intersection and what is this data telling us is there's something to fix here. And generally we do and I think we've used this effectively in the past years to target some specific improvements one for example. In this in this presentation it's it's a cumbersome table so I didn't put the whole table in there the whole tables in the report. And if you have any questions feel free to ask about any of those. Six and Kim bark is one where we did some curve extensions we changed some crosswalks there and four years ago. It's one that fell we were starting to see the improvement of that it's it's fallen and it's ranking so it is showing a positive improvement there. And here what is a an intersection that was a high crash location in 2018 we built the traffic signal and then after we turned it on in 2018 we didn't have any reported crashes in 20 years that would be another one. A good example of success. Pike in Maine is another one that's been a high crash location for years we've made some good progress in terms of reusing crashes at that intersection it's fallen. It's a lot of the high crash list here so I think that's a good example of work that can be done when we really target it with some of these screening tools. When we talk about safety projects, what what are they what can we do, we have different levels of projects we can do you know high cost low cost, a higher cost safety improvement could be something as a such as a traffic signal or intersection reconstruction around about particularly get expensive if it's right away constrained when you start looking and purchasing right away to do improvements that's when the costs really start to go up. There can also be a lot of low cost improvements that we look to do and those are the ones that we definitely take a look at each year and are consistently evaluating for improvements they could be as simple as signage. 9th and Martin is a location that came out of this process last year as a really as a high crash location. And one of the patterns we saw was northbound vehicles getting hit by eastbound throughs on 9th Avenue so we added some signs. In addition, extended the no parking area on the south side of 9th West of Martin. We made that change in in 2020 so it's not going to show up in this data but since we've made that change, I don't believe we've had any crashes at that intersection. So, there can be some relatively cost effective really low cost solutions that have a really big benefit big bang for the buck. I mentioned the 9th and Dearwood traffic signal that was when we did in 2018. In 2019 we did a handful of additional safety projects we put a new traffic signal at the intersection of airport in Pike. Again, that's one that turned on in 2019 so it's going to take a couple of years to really see the impact of that from the crash analysis standpoint. We did a road what we call a road diet on Sunset Street we changed that from a four lane to a three lane. Roadway we added bike lanes to provide better multi facilities better put easier pedestrian crossings and reduce the potential for crash. When we had the previous the four lane section the two lanes in each direction you have. Some sort of some indeterminacy from drivers on are they turning right are they turning left. That can lead to additional lane changing and costs and crashes. 2019 we also did our enhanced multi use corridor project on Mountain View from over or excuse me from Main Street to pace. And one of the one of the elements of that you'll see. On the photo here is this mid block crossing so we had a mid block crossing. Over by skyline high school we added the rectangular rapid flashing beacon, which is the pedestrian activated flasher across. Those are some of the safety improvements that we completed in 2019. 2020 has been a busy year as well for traffic safety projects where. We installed a traffic signal at the intersection of Mountain View now fine, which is a intersection that's been at the top of the high crash list for a number of years. Excited to get that one turned on. And see how that improves that intersection I think we've heard generally good feedback on that one both from public calling in and from the. From the school district nearby and they've seen an improvement in safety for the kids crossing there. Pike in Maine is still under construction as part of ongoing safety improvements at that intersection. We made in grand has been a high crash location for a number of years to restrict some access restrict access at that intersection and I think we're seeing. Improvements there similar project was the 17th and main to restrict access instead of full movement. At the businesses right close to the intersection now they're right in right out accesses and it's really reducing the conflicts that we're seeing there. 2021 we still we have more safety projects in the bike. Working with Caroline Caroline put together a good application for each sip highway safety. Improvement programs and federal dollars that's. Pass through seed up to us we turn in an application requesting a little over $800,000 to improve some left turn operation increase. Improve generally we're looking to ads either protected permissive or protected arrows improve visibility of a lot of signal heads throughout town. So pretty excited to get that project going this grant we got $800,000 are required matches 10% so pretty good return on the dollar on that one. 9th Avenue is a project we're looking at 9th Avenue from over to Kauffman is a project we're looking at in 2020 and the intent for that is there sections of that that are full lane. With no turn lanes and when you walk the section particularly from Francis to bow and street the road feels really tight there the sidewalk is a four to five foot sidewalk right up against the travel lane. So being able to take that down to a three lane road with a center turn lane one lane each direction. And then have the bike lanes through there really. Help that section of roadway I think in terms of both operation and bills or both pedestrians and bicyclists through there. The intersection in Kimbratt and sunset is another one that continues Phil may have some more time on this we're lying for some applying for funding at the intersection in Kimbratt and sunset to continue that word diet mentioned earlier on sunset. So we'd carry that three lane section through the intersection in Kimbratt and sunset up to Nelson and then be able to add left turn lanes there that's been one consistent frustration I've heard over the years from drivers is the both the north and southbound left turns. South and northbound and southbound approaches are two lanes. There's no dedicated term line so being able to add those terms will help the operation and safety of that intersection. I want to talk a little bit more about some of the things we're doing at signals kind of some of the lower cost solutions for safety that we're that we're doing. One of the big changes we've made over the last handful of years is our improving our detection I think historically we'd use loops in pavement loops. We rely on detecting if there's a vehicle there I think bicyclists have a hard time being detected on those reliably. So in switching to these the thermal cameras you can see an image there on the screen. They really do a better job of detecting pedestrians and bicyclists they've been really effective in that one feature we're using at signals mostly on Main Street you'll see there's a handful of other intersections throughout town. So that's the leading pedestrian interval so if you're trying to cross Main Street at 5th or 6th or Longs Peak you push the Ped Walk button across Main Street. You'll notice that the walk light comes on before the green light for the side street and that's really the intent of that is to get the pedestrians walking or they're establishing the crosswalk invisible so if you're on the side street trying to turn on the vehicle generally if you're trying to turn right you're looking to the left to see if there's a gap to go and that can be a common source of crashes is not noticing that there's a pedestrian that's stepped out off of the curve walk. So it has been an effective tool in reducing some of those pedestrian conflicts by getting the pedestrian out there where they're visible and more likely to be seen by drivers. We've also implemented what we call the Ped Protect at a handful of intersections. When I say Ped Protect I think that's something we talked about at a previous TAB, a previous TAB one of the members asked about is it possible to change the operation of the left turns. If there's peds there or not and we look into it and there is and we're doing that at a handful location so if. If there's a left turn where it can be a flashing yellow it can go what we call protected permissive you can turn on a green arrow or flashing yellow arrow. If a pedestrian is there and pushes the button, the walk won't come on until there's a red arrow so it works as a protected only left turn during that phase. And that's been effective in reducing some of the left turn conflicts we've seen at higher pedestrian volume intersections. We also have where we can, we do what we call the floating walk. A lot of you are probably familiar with that that's where the walk indication comes on without any user input. You don't have to push a button. The walk just comes on. We've had it in the past, particularly on Main Street, running parallel to Main. So if you're crossing the avenues, walking north or south, particularly in the downtown area, the walk lights will come on without pushing a button. So that's something we've been able to get back. We went through a period where we didn't have that after we implemented the adaptive signal system, but we've been consistently working on that to bring that back and something that we've been able to do this year. And then just kind of wrapping up and kind of an early look on, on 2020, man, this has been a, this has been a year for the books and. It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out in terms of a lot of vehicle miles of travel crashes. I've got a graph up here showing traffic volume on Street. And we're looking at from early March. We're seeing about 25,000 vehicles a day on Main Street per day. As we started seeing cases of COVID in Colorado, and as various restrictions were put into place, we saw those volumes drop pretty dramatically. About the second week in April, it was about about 15, 13,000 cars a day or seven day average compared to about 25,000 prior. As restrictions ease, we saw volumes creep back up. And they've sort of leveled off, but still haven't quite reached the peak they were before. So I think we've seen more change in this year than we have in previous 50 years in terms of travel demand management. I think it's really had a change on how people go to work. And one of the big things we're seeing is that unnecessarily volumes are still down drastically. There's no shift in the peaks. The AM peak hour doesn't appear to be quite as high as it was before. In fact, it's not really looking like a peak anymore. Our daily volume profiles generally build throughout the day. The PM is still a peak, but we're seeing in more cases that the noon is the higher hour, the busier hour than the AM peak. So interesting to see how some of those trends shake out. I think that crashes have been lower. I mean, Eric, you probably have more hands on of this for 2020, but I think that we're seeing. We saw fewer crashes year over year. I don't have the numbers at this point, but I think I've heard that crashes were down in 2020 over 2019. So, once we get to the end of the year, we'll be able to confirm that. Interesting to see where this year goes. And with that, does anyone have any more questions, discussion? And up to this point. Thanks, Tyler questions, comments or folks. David, I have a couple of them. And maybe you can just address. I'll just spin them out and you just address them as you, as you like. First off that, and I know that you don't have a lot of data for this year. Or maybe none really, but I'm wondering first, whether that's the step that on the slide we just saw starting in July. Or was that due to the narrowing of main. That's the 1st question. The 2nd is, is have we had any ideas to whether. There's been a measurable increase in accidents during that period that these narrowing has happened. The other 2 are related to 119 in Maine. So, I don't recall when we finished that intersection, but I'm wondering if. If the data that we're looking at with this high composite crash index for that intersection. Whether that contains pretty much. Is that mostly since that intersection construction was finished. And then the 3rd is just south of that intersection where grand comes out. That particular. Road is it's only it only looks like it's maybe 2 blocks long and I'm just wondering why. Why is there so much problem with grand and main is that have anything to do with the intersection there at 119 and me. That's kind of all of my questions. Sure. So, it's a good catch on the July on that the graph that's up here right now. Absolutely. This is you'll see. The mouse move on the screen there. Yeah, so, so yeah, right here. This is when we started closing lanes on main street 3rd to 6 for the. To provide the extra space for businesses downtown. Absolutely. That is exactly what what you're seeing right there. We did. I don't officially cap that daily volume from from what we're doing further south. So. Good catch and that's exactly what happened there. You know, right now we still have portions of the lane closed 1. Half of a block northbound and southbound. I haven't. I'll look and see what the newer data looks like on that, but I suspect it's probably similar still. And then we'll see this probably come back start to creep back up once all those linkers. Question of measure. Is there a measurable increase in crashes on the closure. I don't. Frankly, good sense on that Eric. I don't know if you guys, if you may be able to chime in on that if you responded to more or less crashes main street I've. Definitely seen a couple. Crash reports come up in that section, but I don't recall it being. I don't recall it standing out as we have a major problem here and I think that's something that will be good to look at as we move forward because. When you look at the segment, the non intersection high crash locations on this, we see those downtown sections consistently being crash locations. They're related to either side street parking adjacent to the travel lane or. Stopping in the lanes for someone parking or buses stopping in the lane is really a lot of the crashes we're seeing in those segments is some of that side friction that's going on. Being a causal factor in some of those crashes. Yeah. Thanks, Tyler. This is Eric Lewis everybody. What I can talk about on as far as main street and crashes right now, there's not a lot of statistical data to show there was an increase. And the number of crashes with the narrowing of the roadway. I know that was 1 of the concerns that everybody had when when that went in. More of the complaints that that my office received as a result of that was the traffic diverting itself. To the neighborhood roads to bypass the narrowing of the road, if you will. I didn't really see that that was a huge issue. As far as crash data or crash break when I didn't see that an increase. That at all back to your other question. I think the 1st 1 as far as the main street. And 1 19 why that's a high crash index, either correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's probably the busiest intersection as far as vehicle miles travel that we have in the city. So. It is a good answer as to why other than percentage wise. Most cars travel through our daily basis. Yeah, we would our last round of improvements of that intersection was completed in 2015. So, unfortunately, the data we're sending here is 4 years of post. Last project at that intersection. It's about a half year prior. I think they're primarily rear end crashes. I may have some more information on the type of crashes at that intersection. But Eric's right is our busiest intersection in town and then we do unfortunately continue to see a lot of crashes there. I'm going to talk about many grand real quick and then Caroline, maybe you have some more information on and Bratt and men. But main and grand what we're seeing there with those accesses. On grand, right? It's access to a couple of car dealers and you think it doesn't go to a whole lot. What we would often see for the crashes is a vehicle trying to make a southbound left. 2 lanes in northbound traffic waiting at the light at Main Street can Pratt. Leave a gap for that vehicle to go through. And then more or less wave wave a driver through. That driver would start their left turn and then get smacked and they wouldn't be able to see that 3rd lane coming the outside lane that leaves into the right northbound right turn it in Pratt. So. That was a very consistent pattern and happened on a relatively regular basis and not necessarily that they're being waved through, but drivers were taking a chance. They wouldn't see a gap and they would drive through and not see that. So that was a consistent pattern. And that's the reason that the media and addresses. Yeah. So, um, looking, I have it up. Looking at it side by side compared to the last crash report that 2014 through 2018. There has been. So that overall composite crash index has actually gone down a little bit. So it was 3.28 on the last report. It is 3.19. And also that total number has gone down slightly. So it was. The previous five year was 302. And the new five year total is 290. And then most of them, a pretty high number of them are property damage only. Which does tell me a lot of those are probably rear ends. I don't have the exact number. I'm going to talk to my head. And David, we can provide some more information on that specific. We can follow up with an email or talk about it at a later meeting. I think the only thing would be just. Plans to do anything. Or are we going to just, are we going to chalk it up to high volume? Or are there some things that can be done to. I think a couple of things, one, we need to look a little bit more about those patterns. And what we're, what we're seeing with what type of crashes there so that we can have the right fix. I think in addition to that, we need to really look at our partnerships with. That's a big left for one month to look at fixing at all. I think we probably looked to our regional partners to help try and provide some type of solution there. I think. Ken Bratt and hover is another one that's on that list and we're working. We are working actively with our regional partners on looking for improvements at that intersection. So I think it's a continuation of those efforts. Thank you. Great. Other questions or Claire questions or comments for folks. Yeah, and hey, and that was actually a good segue, Tyler, because I was going to ask in looking at the high volume. Intersections where the crash index is the highest 5 out of the top 7 seem to be focused on. And so I was kind of curious, is it getting the attention of C dot and some of our other partners that this might be a high volume area that we need to look at. Absolutely. And for that triangle in particular, I don't know if you remember. We started, we called the, the triangle wasn't triangle study, but the Southwest Corps Southwest corridor plan. And it really looked at the triangle bracketed by those intersections, hover and Nelson can Pratt Nelson can Pratt and hover. And we did look at design alternatives for all of those. I think we've got design progressing on each corridor in there. We're working on. Design of improvements on Ken Pratt that would extend what we did in 2015 and South Pratt Parkway all the way over to Nelson. We're additionally looking at, I mentioned the regional improvements for working with our partners on to try and find funding for improvements at can Pratt and hover. And we also have a design project underway on our CIP for continuing design of improvements all along that hover street corridor from can Pratt and hover all the way up to Nelson and hover. So we are actively working on those. They are not, they're not a variety improvements. So they're in the high cost segment. So it definitely is something that we're working into our. Just a quick clarification on that Tyler. For that 119 in Main Street section. It seems like that's the only one that I can think of that doesn't have some of the major dissections that doesn't have some sort of design. Major design features that are in the works. Is that is that indeed, right? Like I know that we have obviously the major opportunity over on. You know, Ken Pratt and hover that we're, you know, hopefully to get some federal funding at some point for that or state funding. But is there, is there a larger design study that's taking place around opportunities to improve the safety and efficiency of. Of 119 and main. I have something to add here in terms of some of the BRT work that's going on that. Right now I don't really have any design projects specifically city design projects specifically targeting this intersection. Yeah, Tyler, I agree with you that. You know, really what we're looking for is to try to reduce some of the traffic on that corridor that's going to boulder through putting them putting people who. Who will want to because it's more convenient travel by bus to boulder. And so we're really trying to make it more comfortable more convenient or reliable. For that bus travel to boulder. And even on 287 that means the meeting that's coming up in November. That's really about bus rapid transit. You know, straight down 287 to that, to that very intersection that you're talking about and getting getting people directly in a broom field or even closer to Denver downtown Denver on that corridor. So, I think that's what we're trying to do. And then Tyler mentioned it a little earlier, but we're also working on some federal funds, some state funds as well for sunset and 119. And really trying to make that skewed intersection will safer for bicyclists crossing. You thought you mentioned the sunset road diet and that would extend that road diet across this intersection. So, there's a bunch of different projects that are going to all kind of have different. Different look and feel to each one of them. I mean, we talked about the 119 and hover as well. And that's a really large $26 million project, you know, that we were unfortunately not able to get federal funding this year, but we're going to try again next year. So, stay tuned on that one. But yeah, these all kind of working in concert with each other. So we're working on trying to get a bunch of different projects that sold a bunch of different things along that corridor. Do you think that speed is a factor for that particular intersection at at main and Ken Pratt or do you think that's or Caroline I just said from from you're looking at the data. Or, or do you think that it appears to be something else that's going on at that particular intersection. So, Neil, I think, I think we can provide some additional follow up for that, but I think what we're primarily seeing are rear ends due to congestion. And say for sure I don't. Speed related crashes. I think there. Question that's going on there. Awesome. One like one. I noticed, and I think you mentioned this Tyler that our fatalities, the number of fatalities in 2018 went up. In fact, it doubled. And comparing it to the other cities in this cohort. Out of what do we have here 10 or so. There's only two out of the 10 that actually have similar fatalities and that's Pueblo and Lakewood. This seems to really jump out at me. And I'm just wondering, do we know why the increase or what the main cause of that is. I think there is a brief description of each crash. And in the back of the report there that you'll see. Eric may have some additional. Information to provide I think there are a couple definitely that. At some unusual circumstances that led to them, but I think that's. And you could probably say the same for almost every fatal crash. Go ahead. Yeah, this is Eric. We were trying to do a comparison or a cause effect thing. There really wasn't a bright line answer to that. All of these. Incidences were fairly unique. There were some similarities in that a few of these, as you'll see in the, in the description involved impairment. A couple involved speed and then distracted driving, which is. Statistically speaking, nationwide, those are generally top contributing factors for fatality type crashes. So it is unfortunate that the last year was the. The highest number of year that I can remember. In Longmont, but we're. Knock on wood on it on not near that rate this year. So right now we're at we're at 2 fatality crashes. With 3 total fatalities for 2020. All right, well, that's encouraging. Thanks Eric makes me feel a little bit better. Yeah, I guess we'll just watch it and see and see what the future shows us. Thank you. Thanks other clarifying questions or or. Well, thank you Tyler and thank you Caroline for being able to pull all that data together and now it's a ton of work putting that together, but it's really helpful. It's. Remarkable how consistent it is for a year over year, despite that 1 disturbing. Very disturbing. You know, increase in traffic fatalities. But hopefully that becomes a blip and and gets back to a more normal range. Great from a traffic safety perspective, a sergeant Lewis was there whether some additional comments he were hoping to be able to add in today's meeting. I was here to help answer any questions that people might have. I think Tyler and I were going to talk that. In December, I'd like to do a traffic safety presentation for everybody, but right now I just didn't have the. The IT capability in order to present that so I wanted to wait till I could. That that out a little bit more. So the plan is to do traffic safety presentation for the for the board in December. Okay. Eric any other closing comments on realize we're just getting this report out here. Not a whole lot of time to digest it, but any. Any tidbits or thoughts or anything you've noticed. On patrol I think I've definitely heard concerns come up from from your end and from other officers and I think we've been responding to a lot of those for the better and some examples of those I think. Ken Pratt and Emory was one that was a high crash location with left turners eastbound left turners consistent getting crashes with what's bound through us. I definitely saw that pattern talked with Sergeant Lewis about it and made a change to a protected only there and that's really eliminated the crashes there. Similar can Pratt and Martin similar discussion similar pattern there. And then a matter of fact tomorrow 3rd and 3rd and pace is one that we see on this list as a high crash location and it's one we continue to see the eastbound left turners getting hit by what's gone through is. And I've talked to Sergeant Lewis and other other officers about this and so tomorrow we'll have a we've got a crew out there to change the signal head out there and we'll be changing that one to protect it all. That should mitigate a lot of the crashes there as well. So, I think the, you know, we're working together and. Hearing the what what the offices are officers are seeing and hearing in the field and then being able to communicate that and work well with the PD has been productive for us. Second, I have a really good line of communication with each other. Try and make decisions based on the backs and not. I think the 1st, I can recall that really made a drastic improvement was that pike in South Maine. It was almost overnight when. When that change went into affected the crash rate went down quite a bit. The other one that I remember. Most recently within the last 3 years was Kim Pratt and Martin. And that was more for eastbound to northbound left turners turn left in front of westbound traffic was a pretty much weekly occurrence and then. After that bad crash we had in 2017. After that change that the crash rate there at least for bad crash is significantly reduced and. So, we're hoping that the same will hold true for 3rd and pace. And there's a couple other projects that Tyler and I are talking about as far as signalization goes, but hopefully with this grant money, we can look into that in 2021. And see where that goes sounds good. Tyler, I want to kick highway 19 and 1 more time. I was looking I'm looking at the daily volume. Comparison between that particular intersection and the other ones below it. Wait 119 and all those below that on the list. I've got 60,000. So the highway 119 in Maine has 10,000 more. So it goes from 60,000 to 70,000. And that the number of accidents goes up by 50%. So, it has about 10% more. Not quite 10 maybe 12% 15% more cars, but it has 50% more accidents. It seems like we might want to look at some, I don't know, I don't know what just to see what whether there's some things that we can do. Yeah, definitely hear that down. Definitely appreciate the feedback and we will look into that a little bit more and try to provide some more information on that in your particular sounds good. Thank you. Let's try that again. Thank you. Tyler one of the things that was helpful I think about a year and a half or so ago, you were able to provide some good background context on the different vision statements between sea dots moving towards zero deaths. And that has adopted and the vision zero that I think some of our neighboring communities have participated in there. You might just give me just a quick little kind of 30 second reminder in terms of kind of how. How the two of those work or don't work together and just the backstory in that just because I know that the topics come up in recent months. So a little bit that I think the, the goal of both vision zero moving towards zero death in the city of one monitor is all the same where we're striving for that zero zero deaths on a roadways that is our absolutely our goal. And we looked at and we took this to we talked vision zero with our council at the retreat last year. I think one of the things we talked about was that much of what vision zero could potentially entail some additional programs additional staff resources and cost with that I think that the work we're doing already largely entails vision zero goals and intense and I think we're working towards that. I think the only thing is the biggest difference in them is maybe vision zero has more. Probably some more public outreach involved with it which is definitely something that we could look at doing but I think it has probably a bigger aspect of public outreach and engagement. Great thanks. So to parallel efforts they're both important and great that we're at least marching on one of those they're towards our goal. Awesome great well why don't we march forward to comments for from board members and we can see what's top of mind from different folks I'll just go in terms of the order. You're on my screen and and we'll start with you David and we'll go to Jacques after that. Yes well thank you Tyler and team for putting this together I can't imagine I know that these tables go on and on beyond what we're seeing on our screen and so just being able to compile that into something that we can look at and at least think that we can see the trends is a is a commendable and I appreciate that. Happy with all the work that you're doing your team are doing so thank you for this. All right. Well said. Chuck. I'm going to go ahead and echo that. I mean this is an amazing amount of work and so I know we have a lot of dedicated smart people smarter than me as far as this stuff goes it so I really appreciate the fact that we have that capability here and this is great to digest. There's a couple of intersections that I see in kind of my day to day travels one that I just wanted to draw some attention to as my kind of thought is the Clover Basin Drive and Dry Creek Drive it's on the class to table about two thirds of the way down. I've been seeing this is the one that's kind of like behind coals over there and that intersection right there and it almost seems like an obvious place for some improvements and the volume seems to be just increasing two fold three fold. I don't know what the data is showing on that intersection but I would be curious because here the volume doesn't look too high. I think it's something worth keeping an eye on. You know it kind of gets blended into that triangle that I was talking about earlier where this is a very high volume area. And so when I think forward I think of where those growth potential places are going to be and this is one of the ones that stands out to me. I think my other thoughts on it is I don't know what our revenue is going to look like over the next few years and so I'm very happy to hear about all these partnerships that we have with the state and you know with the federal authorities to try to bring in as many dollars as possible use our leverage use our great data that we have to try to get the best leverage we can from our partners and to bring more dollars into the city. Longmont is a beautiful city that's growing my leaps and bounds and that's going to mean more cars and more data about that. Okay, thank you for all the hard work. I could real quick drop the over basin and dry Creek is an intersection that is on the radar when we're looking at our CIP. For next year and we look at where traffic signals may have a need and where they may end up be being got a handful kind of a top five category. And that that is one that's on the radar that's it could be one of about three or four intersections where we need a signal next and that's one that's on there that we're watching on a regular basis. First Mountain View and Alpine and now that you're just right there with me Tyler. Thank you appreciate that. Awesome. Thanks you guys. Courtney, why don't we turn to you next there and see if you have any comments or questions. Okay, thank you. Yes, thanks for all the great work on all this data it's very interesting to see and I know a lot goes into it. I'm glad that they're that the feedback used or spoken makes an impact. So I had a couple of questions just about Pike and Maine. I was there the other day and it seemed now I didn't see this because it was the opposite way of going but it seemed that the northbound traffic going west on Pike got to left arrows. As I was sitting waiting to go south. So I'm wondering if that timing is still being worked on with the new intersection. And also in general, how do people report things they might see like some crumbling concrete on a on a median or a few little lights that are out on one of the stop lights or some. Feedback loop for that kind of thing like people tell me a lot of things that they see because they know I'm on the transportation board and so where should I direct them to fill out a form if they see something that's wrong or needs to be paid attention to. Thank you. So service works would be the best place for those comments it's online. And I can share a link in the chat or email to everyone as well or where that reporting system is. It's probably the best source for all of those. In terms of pike in Maine, I'll have to take a look at that. I know that there may not still be in the final alignment there. But in terms of the potentially serving to left cities, it is an intersection that's running it at adaptive. And depending on who's at the intersection, it could potentially do that based on demand. Great thanks. Sandy, any thoughts on your side. Yeah, thank you. A couple of things. I do really appreciate the report crash report. I wanted to know someone had reported that they thought maybe we'd only had 2 fatalities in 2020 and it seems to me. Is 1 19 and county line road. Is that part of Longmont because there was just 2 fatalities recently there. And then Oxford in 1 19 towards 9 watt 2 people were just killed there over the weekend. So they're all both on the east and west side of town. But are they going to be included in our crash report next year. So that's 1 of my questions. And secondly, I. I'm very in tune with this vision zero. So I'm happy to hear that we are still concerned about that. I had read in, in your report that you would. We had partnered with CDOT for 2019. Is that something that needs to happen annually? Or are we good to go to continue to partner with them? And what can we do to continue to raise awareness into the community that we all have a responsibility to limit our crashes. And then just 1, 1 other thing. Thank you very, very much for 1. Hi, I'm. Street, I'm 9th street hover to airport road. It's been completed all the bike lanes and things. I do have a question. There are a couple of polls that are pretty tall and then they have. Our speed limit way up there on the top of that hole. And I'm just curious why it's like that. So that's what I have, but thank you. So I can speak to the, the recent faddles. Yes. The 1 on. 119 just east of county line road, which is the Latin. Martin sandstone ranch that is in the city limits along lot. As a matter of fact, the city limits extend a little bit further east there to Fairview and sandstone. Branch road, the 1 on Oxford is just outside the city limits along lot. We did respond to assist on that with, but that would be under the jurisdiction of the Colorado state patrol. So that 1 will not be counted. In the long lot fatality rate. So, yes, for 2020. We have responded to and investigated 2 fatal crashes, which have resulted in 3 total fatalities. For this year. And just so that nobody is confused by that, the 1 earlier this year in April involving state patrol and the. The pursuit that where the 16 Earl was killed that 1 will not be counted towards a fatal car crash based on the totality of the circumstances. I can answer any clarifying questions on that 1 if they be. No, let Tyler talk about the other question. I apologize. So, in terms of the partner agency with C dot, we are, we signed, we signed signed up with C dot. We are a partner agency moving forward. It's not a 1 year annual deal. It is a commitment. To see that. In terms of outreach, I think that's something where. We can still do better and definitely open to feedback from this group and work from this group to help spread the word about safety. And I think we can also look at maybe working with our public outreach team for some other ideas on how to get some more information out. So. That may not be all inclusive, but a couple of steps that we can take. And your last question was about the taller posts that are still on 9th Avenue. The next coming on those is the permanent radar sign. So I think that was something that we committed to and we're looking to do as we. Went through the public process on that 1 speed was a common. Concern we heard of those residents and so that was among. A handful of things we're doing to try and mitigate speeds 1 of 1 of the solutions or changes we're making is adding those radars. So, I believe they're in stock. They're being programmed. I don't know the installation date, but that's what those taller calls for. Wonderful. Thank you. Yeah, with the talk of vision 0 and maybe Phil's maybe follow this a little bit more, but I'm Dr. Cog is also looking at doing some larger regional. Vision 0 implementation, if that's correct Phil. I think Phil had to jump off. But. Yeah, so we might see something with that as well. Thank you. Great. Only thing I will add on my side is that I did see that there is a meeting tomorrow night for those who are interested. It was called green transportation in Boulder County Town Hall, which seemed kind of interesting. I saw a note from. From clear leavey about that. I guess it is an online town hall from 5 o'clock to 6 o'clock and I'm happy to send out the link to folks afterwards. For those that are interested, but always interesting to hear how. And different people are viewing the changes in the transportation sector, especially as it relates to kind of greening or transportation just a little bit more. So. I will send a link out on that. With that, let me turn it over to a council member peck and see if there any comments on your side. Thank you, Neil. And I want to echo everyone else's. Thank you to the staff for that great report. It does take a lot of time to put together. But some things that I consistently get questions on our street signs. It seems like they're hard to see. They're hard to see at night because they're in the end. They're not in the middle of the street. They're not lit. The light doesn't shine actually on the street sign. And especially in the spring, some of them, especially on Francis street. It seems like the trees sometimes overgrow and block the sign a lot of it's coming from new people who move here. Because they look to the signs to figure out where they are and where they have to go. So, are we looking at that at all Tyler, or is that pretty standard that we're using the same type of signs as the rest of the state or Boulder County. In fact, a couple, a couple of things on that one we have. We've had some change over in our operations staff part of our operations is maintaining the signs and I personally notice a handful of them that are definitely faded out and in need of. So that's on my to do list is to get in touch with operations and the new staff that's there to really make sure we're going to throw inspection of all the signs. They're visible one being retro reflectivity and to placement for the trees. And in addition to the trees, I'm getting ready to hit send on this email for service works if there are specific trees that are blocking signs. Please report it on this link service works and we can have staff respond and trim trim tree limbs, or I've even run into cases where maybe it's not just a minor tree trim it would take serious cutting of the tree. If there are cases like that happy to look at, is there a better placement option for the sign rather than destroy a good tree so couple of options on that but I think 1 the 1st step is really getting our our inspection of the signs. In good shape and make sure that we're replacing them as they're fading out. I think there's no requirement that they're lighted. And I think when we look at lighting and the cost it would take to do that in terms of bringing an electric service that's consistently drawing power. I think that's going to end up probably being cost prohibitive and maybe not the best serve for the city. As every place Tyler is there any discussion about making them bigger. A larger so they're easier to read. Or is that works at all. Something we can talk about for sure. Okay, thank you. Wonderful. Thank you so much. Are there, I mentioned 1 transportation meeting that's coming up tomorrow. Any other transportation meetings that are on the radar that folks should know about. I think Phil, Phil covered a couple of them and communications from staff before he jumped off of here. I don't have anything else to add. All right. Well, we have some topics on the radar here, including neighborhood traffic mitigation and transportation. Road map. What is the transportation roadmap just to remind folks. It's really the transportation roadmap is in conjunction with the sustainability plan and helping our. Meeting those sustainability goals. Got it. Sounds good. Well, we'll look forward to those 2 topics and others moving forward. Any other last comments before we wrap up. Yeah, Courtney. I had a quick question for just an opinion from Eric. I used to live in Norway and their DUI. Rate is fairly low because 1 DUI need to lose your license for life. So the penalty is very severe. I'm wondering if he has an opinion or if anybody's looked at. I mean, that's probably a state level, but. Is there any movement to make DUI's penalties more severe and would that reduce. The rate of DUI in his opinion. That's a great question, Courtney. Statistically speaking, a lot of our DUI. Defender, so I'm not sure what. Impact have a making the fines stiffer on them. You are correct that that would be a decision at the state level with the state legislature because it would have to be a change in the law. But yes, I would agree with Tyler that I think we've seen a steady increase in DUI. Yeah. Crash type since 13, well, 2014. The passing of amendment 64. Can't say for certain that has. Directly related to marijuana usage, but. A lot of times for substance abusers, if you will, they are poly use, which means. They do different types of drugs. So not only marijuana, but other drugs and alcohol. So. It's possible right now for a 1st offense. You're looking at a 3 month to 1 year revocation on your driver's license subsequent offenses could equal jail. And a lot of your revocation on a driver's license. And I think, thank you very much. I'm down. Thank you. I don't know if you guys got that by my screen time. Yep, we got it. Awesome. What was that? We will plan on reconvening coming up on November. What is it November 9th? Hopefully by then we'll know the results of our election. We'll find out soon enough. Until then, I really appreciate everyone's time there and special thanks to staff for being able to put together such helpful data. We'll consider the meeting adjourn talk to you guys in. Thank you all. Have a good day. Thanks you guys. Thank you.