 Hello. I noticed you're observing from back there. Do you know why they're there? They're showing the public how they contribute to the worst animal cruelty on Earth imaginable through their consumer choices. So what do you think about what they're doing here? Yeah. How does it make you feel to see this? Controversial. Did you know that that's how your food was produced? Are you a vegetarian? Yes. We need to speak to vegetarians as well because the dairy industry slaughter the cows. They take away their calves. They kill the boys too on the first week of life. The females will grow up to be milk producers too. They'll have their children taken. I drink like a vegetarian. You mean a plant-based milk? Yeah. So why would you call yourself a vegetarian and not a vegan? I like eggs. Okay, eggs. The egg industry. We target vegetarians too because the egg industry is just as bad as the meat industry. Yeah, but I like eggs. I'm selfish. Ah, you're selfish. So you don't care about the fact that you abuse animals through consumption of eggs? Well, of course I do care, but I also am selfish. Yeah, so I mean you might be selfish. Do you think that that's okay to be selfish in the face of the cruelty? I think I do already enough about that. You think you do enough? Yes. But in the eyes of those animals that are being tortured, do you think it's enough to still consume the eggs? How about your clothing, for example, and I don't know where it's come from? You want to point to the clothes? We want to talk about eggs. We want to talk about clothing. Where does yours come from? Yeah, exactly. It has no animal products in there? No, it doesn't. But you don't know how to produce that. Maybe it's tortured to produce that or put a lot of effort to do it. Well, there's no slavery in these clothing if that's what you think. Do you know? How do you know? I can prove to you that your eggs come from macerated male chicks because they don't produce eggs. No, my eggs come from my grandma's. Like small chickens. So you only eat eggs at your grandma's? I only eat the ones which are the number zero or whatever. So you go to your grandma's house and you eat eggs, but outside here you're a vegan? Most of the time at least. So when you're either a vegan or you're not a vegan? Because a vegan is a philosophy against animal abuse. Yeah, I don't have a philosophy about animal. I have a philosophy about environment. I care about environment. This has nothing to do with the environment. This is all to do with animal abuse? Yeah, definitely. I can see that. So when you purchase eggs, you're not a vegan outside of your grandma's house. You said that you're not a vegan. You said only sometimes you eat these products outside here? I also eat fish. Yeah, so you kill fish? I don't kill fish. You eat the fish? I eat fish. Yeah, so you're paying for fish to be tortured and killed as well? Not really, because I also get it from the house, like from the farm. Do you consume fish outside here? I don't live here. So what do you eat when you're out? What do you consume when you're out here when you're hungry? You just eat vegan food? Most of the time, plants, yes. Most of the times what you don't? Yeah, let's say burger with putty or with mushrooms or whatever. That's my dinner yesterday, today. What did I eat today? I went for the bread with asparagus, zucchini and vegan cheese on it. So I'm not here to interrogate you, okay? But when you say you're not a vegan, I'm here to speak for the animals. So when you sometimes are a vegan or sometimes not, those sometimes abuse and kill animals. I'm not here to be your friend or this person's friend. I'm here to speak for those animals that are being tortured and killed. So I'm not trying to sell anything to you, I don't want any money from you. And I'm sorry that if I made you feel uncomfortable. But from those animals' eyes, they're screaming out for mercy. I just kind of feel like you push animal philosophy on someone who has a little bit different point of view on different things. And there's a lot of other things as well to focus on. So I feel, from my opinion, being tiny bit already, putting a little bit effort not eating meat for example, not eating eggs from like a big farm, not eating some other stuff. You eat fish? You eat fish? They're from the ocean, they didn't want to die? Small parts of it already, it's a big thing to do. Instead of like being trying to put your philosophy on someone. We have the same philosophy. What's your philosophy on animal abuse and torture? You should not torture animals. Exactly, so we believe the same thing. Except sometimes you do abuse animals through your lifestyle. Do you have leather shoes for example? No. You don't wear leather or anything like that? No, why do you ask? I'm against animal abuse, I wouldn't wear their skin. That's horrible. I'm wondering, or I don't know, some animal products, cosmetics. Do you wear leather shoes? I don't wear leather shoes. They come from a tortured animal slave. Yeah, but they last for a long time. I don't care. If they were made from your skin, I wouldn't wear them out of principle. But then imagine, you use the shoes which are probably, you have to buy them every second. I wouldn't wear skin made of you either. It's out of principle, moral principle. And then you kind of push all the environment to move further and then getting all the bushfires and then you kill animals. This is an animal rights issue? Yeah, I know. It's taking someone's rights away and murdering them. It's different to the environment. Yeah, but that's also an issue to look at. It's an issue to look at, but that's not what we're looking at. We're looking at enslaving and killing animals for your lifestyle. Shoes and eggs and fish and animals are being tortured and killed. They're being abused for you. Fair enough. How about environment for example? That's not a topic for us. The topic here is the animals that are being abused and tortured for your lifestyle. So when you leave here, you either pay for animal abuse or you don't. It's exactly the same thing. It's just not their choice. Animal slavery and the environment are very different topics. Yeah. Very different topics. Okay, fair enough. Pain of the animals for example. So the pain? Yeah. Yeah, pain is one thing. Yeah. Inslaving and murdering is another. Yeah. Dragon fish out the ocean. They suffocate and they're harmed. Okay. Yeah. And then you go along and eat them. How about killing animals by pushing all the environment and not friendly things in the world and stuff like that? Like here, I'm so, really, I'm so disappointed about this country in general. The way we torture and kill animals? As well. As being so... Where are you from? I'm from Poland. Yeah. I live in Denmark. This gas chamber is there in Poland for pigs? I don't know. I don't know. Horrible. Yeah, I know you don't. You already explained. Poland and Australia are not too much different in their animal exploitation. Yeah, but I live in Poland. I live in Denmark. Okay. There's even more for pigs. Like the biggest killing pigs is in Denmark, I would say. Yeah. Because that's the main dish for your country. And they try to limit that. Of course, it's the same. The same actually subjects or topics to talk to about not having the meat industry as not having the coal mines here in Australia. Because people will not have jobs. We will not have money. I don't care about that. Yeah, exactly. Do you care about the people that have jobs enslaving human beings to pick their cotton? No, we don't. We care about the people that have been enslaved. In the same way, I don't care about those who are enslaving and torturing the animals. I care about the animals that are being tortured. I think we have just a different policy. Yeah, we do. You're against animal abuse. Do you care about the abuser or the animal being abused? Yeah, but I also think that we are a bit too much to push it. How do you care about child abuse? In the same way, do you care about the child abuser or the child that's being abused? Well, it depends what we're talking about. Abortion? No, we're talking about child abuse. Do you care about the child or the person that's abusing that child? Which do you care about more? The victim or the oppressor? Well, of course, the victim. Okay. Well, I care more about the victim than I do about people's jobs. That's like spitting in the face of the victim. A bit of money to torture an animal? Yeah. They can get another job? Obviously. Yeah. Like anyone out there, you could get another job. Yeah, I don't abuse animals. I stop the abuse of animals. I'm trying as well, as much as I can. We don't try. We just don't. That's it. Because you're against it. So you live in alignment with your good-hearted, compassionate person. So you live in alignment with that. You don't sometimes abuse animals if you're against animal abuse. When you leave here today, you're not going to pay for animals to be abused, or you might still... Perhaps. I can't promise you. Okay. Thanks for being honest with me. No. I hope you appreciate the way that I was honest with you as well. I definitely appreciate it. Do you think I've got a good chance in getting people to stop this? Yeah, definitely. I've got these limits. Maybe not stop the limits. And I think that's a really big step. And I just wouldn't lie to someone and say, hey, it's okay sometimes. I'm like, I wouldn't lie to someone like that. Yeah, of course. You cannot say that. I would still speak and I would say that it's better to limit than not do anything. I could say the same thing about beating my wife. It's better for me to limit that than... You're beating your wife. I could say the same thing. It's a hypothetical. I don't beat my wife, of course. Are you? I'm saying, if someone were to say to you, I should beat my wife less, or not beat them at all. What would you say? If you would do anything to that, then she should leave you shared away. Yeah, of course. Of course. So if you beat her even once, she should leave you. Of course. She should go to prison. Yeah? Let me not prison. If you beat your wife, you should go to prison. Okay. Yeah. Like if you do... That's why I say don't limit. Don't reduce your consumption of animal abuse. Stop it. Just like domestic violence. Stop it. It's evil. At least a little bit. It's already good. But I wouldn't limit something else evil. But you know it's impossible to reduce it to zero. And that's bad. What do you mean? Like, you're not able to... Reduce all harm, you mean. You mean reducing all harm? Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's not possible to reduce all harm, but we don't go around raping and killing each other because you can't reduce all harm. But something as direct as paying someone to be stabbed in the throat. It's easy to stop. Yeah, but again, you're not able to say to people who have nothing else to eat in Africa, whatever, than meat. Luckily, we're in Australia. You're not able to... Luckily, we're in Australia advocating to this person here. People from other countries shouldn't live here. I'm not advocating to an African tribe. Yeah, I know. But that's what I'm saying. You're not able to limit it to zero. It's better to put it down. Yeah. Maybe there's people that won't stop. They're just happy to abuse animals. Yeah, but that's amazing. And I'm super-appreciate. If you don't eat eggs, that's amazing. And I wish... Okay, I know I can do it. You can. You can right now. I know, but I like eggs and I need protein as well from the eggs. Yeah. I've got all the protein I need. Been vegan six years. Protein's really a non-argument in this day and age. Well, of course not. But... You don't need protein from eggs. But you can get them. You can. You can also get protein from shit. But we don't have to eat shit. Have you tried? No, no, no. But you know, I'd rather eat beans and rice and lentils and, you know... I love it. If an animal has to be tortured for protein, it's not good. That was a classic example of I'm doing enough. And, um... Yeah. She kept moving the goalpost. So I didn't really believe her at some points. But, you know... Sometimes... Just remember, sometimes people will tell you what you want to hear so you let them off the hook. But, um... Yeah.