 We are now going to start our panel that is going to be addressing improvements in energy efficiency and the role that it can make in our economy. And we will also, as part of this, be looking at high-speed rail in conjunction with energy efficiency improvements as well. Our first presenter is Jennifer Schaefer, who is the Executive Director of the Federal Performance Contracting Coalition. Jennifer? Um, so I'm here today to represent the Federal Performance Contracting Coalition. It's a group of energy service companies that are approved on a federal contract to do work with the federal government in the Energy Savings Contacts. They're called Energy Savings Performance Contacts. Our members, I should mention them, are Amorazco, Chevron, Constellation, Honeywell, John Control, Lucky Martin, Nesterra, the rest of them share their savings interest. They do about 90% of the performance contract in the federal government, and they're all approved on an indebted delivery, indebted quantity contract that the federal government has that's going to pre-qualified companies to do large-scale, comprehensive energy efficiency work with us in this sense. Who here knows what an ESPC is? It's mattering. It's a lot better than if I'd asked five years ago. So ESPCs are contracts where the contractor, the company, goes into a facility. They audit the facility for the available energy savings. They work with the federal customer to figure out what they want, what are their problems with the facility, are they interested in getting solar panels, you know, everybody's got an idea of what they need. What I really need is for my lighting to be good enough that I can see, or, you know, what we really want is a new laundry facility. There's all sorts of things they want. So then they work together and package together a group of energy conservation measures that will save energy, save money, and serve the needs of the federal government. So they not only do the auditing, find the measures. They also provide the financing. They enter into a long-term contract with the federal government. And they measure and verify that energy savings are occurring, and they guarantee that those savings are occurring. That's really very different than what happens other places. So it is by statute, by our statute, law, guarantee is there. Interestingly, Oak Ridge National Laboratory did a study recently on federal ESPCs and found that they're delivering on average almost twice as much energy savings as the amount guaranteed. So imagine before an energy savings performance contracting, you're spending $100 a month on your energy bills to utilities, water, electric, gas, anybody else. And then during the term of the ESPC, you're only spending $60, but you're paying back the energy service company about $37, $38, so your savings are a couple bucks a month. But after the term of the contract ends, you're saving all $40, and you're just paying that $60 to the energy company. So it's the guarantee that's really different for them. And they're pretty popular right now. They're done not only in the federal space but also in what we call the mush market, not a pretty name, but it stands for municipal utility schools and hospitals. So public institutions is kind of where it works, because to get attractive financing rates, being in a government-related public building is attractive. So we wanted to do this in commercial buildings, although it certainly is being done on a sort of one-off basis. Currently we're our group, which I think our major role in life is to play whack-a-mole. So what we do is we just try to get all the problems that pop up around ESPCs in the federal space back down. So mostly right now what we're working on is the president announced in December of 2011 a $2 billion initiative, which is the company's money, to invest in the federal government to do energy savings performance contracting and get paid back over time. So we're really working hard to make sure that's going well, to do the whack-a-mole with various agencies and institutions. And right now there's upwards of half a billion to probably $600 million thereabouts already under contract. There's a lot more where we've had selections. So why am I beeping? Sorry. So we think that we're going to be fairly successful with the president's initiative and reach somewhere around the $1.4 to $1.6 billion level, which is a huge improvement over the annual amounts we've done to date. The other thing is here in Congress there's a caucus in the House of Representatives called the Energy Savings Performance Caucus chaired by Representatives Gardner and Welch. It's got about 30 some-odd members, very bipartisan. They'll be introducing legislation to sort of encourage more use of ESPCs and ongoing activities. So that's about it. I will let the others speak. Thank you. Great. Thanks, Jennifer. Because I think that it is exciting to see how much progress that there is and that this is becoming an ever-bigger slice of the market. We're now going to turn to Mike Kandel, who is the Senior Communications Associate with BPI Building Performance Institute. And you're welcome to use the podium or at the table. So first off, thanks to the sustainable energy coalitions for inviting us to be here and the expose of all of you who've been here for the past few years and hope to be here for quite some time in the future. So generally, start out as a low-performance institute, set standards, set standards setting and prevention of our organization for the home performance industry. How many people are familiar with home performance with regard to residential performance? We have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. So generally, a lot of you don't know, so this is a good opportunity for you. It's a young industry, it's still growing, but it is gaining steam as we get out to the market a little bit more in the games of recognition. For those of you who aren't familiar with the industry, the simplest way to explain it is full houses at the system contracting. And the approach focuses on how your whole house works, rather than isolating projects like replacing your air conditioning, repeating, we take a step back and look at everything and how it interacts. The best comparison we can make is to the ultimate cars that you guys used to drive, or just kind of be on the ground, used to ride in 20 years ago, you know, the old station wagon that just belted gas and were really loud and really dirty, took out the whole roadway and whatnot. And if you're still driving today, it would cost you an arm or leg to refill. So we take that kind of idea and we compare it with the eco-friendly cars today, somewhat like Prius. And we look at the fact that engineers didn't just fix two or three things on those old cars to make them more energy efficient and more cleaner cars to drive. They looked at the whole system top and bottom, punched it back, and created a more efficient way for clean cars to operate. And that's the same thing on performance car tractors do on new cars. Many times when you think about having work done on your house, it's because you're uncomfortable. And a lot of times you go to thermostats and you'll make it hotter and colder, we still won't get that sweet spot temperature, or worse, or any of your energy bills will be uncomfortable. Generally they'll go up more heat use and more cold use, the higher your bills will be. Or worse, you start going around your house, you play with that thermostat and you see condensation under windows, you see cold growth and things like that, and it leads to fairly unhealthy conditions as far as your homes are concerned. You start coughing more. Even for asthmatics, you can study homes that are not up to par as far as weather, snow, and whatnot. They are prone to even more serious home risks. So you start thinking about how to move along and touch on some of these issues, and your initial thought is to tackle each one individually, which will cost you a lot of time and money if you do so. Not to mention that there's no guarantee that your problems are going to be solved if you approach each individual comfort issue individually. The homeless contractor takes a step back and he approaches the home from an all-inclusive kind of perspective. He looks at how the whole house works, analyzes the different components of your house, of your house to how they interact with one another, and they look at your home mechanical systems, shell interworkings, including insulation, HVAC, weather sealing, and determine how they all work best together. Today, people who are buying energy efficiency upgrades quickly go through new efficient HVAC systems. They go through solar installations, and these things will help you achieve your goal of energy efficiency, but they're not going to give you the whole way there. By focusing on your whole house system, sealing it up first ensures that you get the best bang for your buck. If you go and install a solar system right away without paying attention to the other little thing that could help your house along, you're just going to throw your money away. You're still going to lose energy. You're not going to be as comfortable as you could be if you took the time to seal it up first, and then move on to the renewable stages. So you can improve your health and safety. You can reduce your energy costs, et cetera, et cetera. So a lot of people at this point ask what VPI has to do with all of this. VPI involves the standards that make sure the work done on your home is done correctly. And we bring building science experts from across the country in to collaboratively work on this, on our standards, using a consensus-based methodology. And from these standards, we develop certifications for individuals, credit credit companies that have become the elite firms in the industry. By virtue of the fact that they have to commit to third party body assurance checks once the work is done. So those of them, they'll do an audit, a pre-audit. They'll do the work. They'll do a test-out, post-audit, and then they'll bring in another company to make sure that the work they did was done correctly. In short, we provide first management to energy efficiency programs, and we are currently recognizing federal, state, and utility in over 150 programs across the country. Additionally, for over 15 years, our standards and financial support of the Weather Education Assistance Program, we've seen over 7 million low-income homes weatherized, over 14,000 jobs created, and this is something that's nearing here to us now because the President is now re-requesting an increase in budget for the Weather Education Program, about $240 million. This is a budget that's been cut over the past few years to pretty much bare minimum because it's fairly easy to cut it out. It's a small amount of energy. It has to do with energy efficiency. The low-income housing, they think that there's other money, or there's other things that are more important for this money. But this money will go to help low-income families improve their quality of life, improve their houses, which is important enough. It will reduce energy over the long run. And I don't know the exact percentage, but it's something around 40% of the nation's energy is used by individual homes. So if we can start focusing on energy efficiency retrofits in individual low-income housing, we could drastically reduce that number. So we are in full support of the 2014 year-west of that total amount. Finally, there are 100 million homes needing weatherization and energy efficiency operating across the country. And if we start focusing on these energy efficiency retrofits, we get together five solutions that will bring energy retrofits to low-income houses to the home owners at large, and we can really make an impact on energy efficiency, cost savings, health and safety, and increase jobs over at this. Great, thank you very much. We will now turn to Eric Kuffman, who is the director of sales for synoptic acuity brands. Because you know what? Daylighting makes a huge difference. Thank you, Willis-Panda. Thank you, Carol. Good afternoon, and let me start with a special thank you to Carol, EESI, and also Ken Bosong, who's helped put the event together for every year that we've been involved. It's a real privilege of being here. Thanks to both the groups. I'd also like to welcome our honored guests, congressional staffers, and those that are here today. It's a real privilege to be able to speak here. I'd like to thank my fellow panelists, Jennifer, Mike, Jeff, Andy, and Dave as well. As Carol said, my name is Eric Kuffman. I'm director of sales for synoptics. We're a division of acuity brands. For those that haven't heard of acuity, we're a publicly traded company based in Conyers, Georgia, and our largest lighting manufacturer and controls company as well. So we have about 6,000 associates around the globe and about $2 billion in sales. The brief time I have today, we'll review just two key points. One is the discussive benefits of daylighting, which is part of the company that I'm involved in as synoptics, and then specifically top lighting as a design strategy, and how the energy consumption can be affected when we utilize that strategy effectively. And then secondly, I'll also briefly mention a few of the legislative initiatives that are ongoing right now, and how the impact of both direct solar amendment for the DOD and the energy bill, which is S.761 would be very beneficial to both energy efficiency and the economy. So the simple definition of daylighting is just use a natural light in space to eliminate the need for electric light throughout the day. When we can use that as a strategy, what we call top lighting, which is when we bring that daylight in through the roof, through a skylight. And when properly designed, a skylight and the electric lighting control system, when integrated together, can optimize the energy savings in a building. Now the US has made great strides in energy efficiency as demonstrated by many of the people in this room and what you can see in the expo as well. And we've made some progress in that. However, we've only scratched the surface. The latest study by the Commercial Buildings Energy Consumption Survey, which was done in 2003. They're doing a new one this year for 2000 for the most recent version. Just gave us a few facts that you may have heard before, but out of the total commercial buildings, we have 71.6 billion square feet of floor space. And we consume more than 6,500 trillion BTUs of energy. 21% of that energy is used for lighting. So when we can use daylighting to minimize the need for electric lighting throughout the day, we can have a tremendous impact on that energy consumption. So there's much that can be done to reduce that consumption and maximize our savings. The potential impact in documented numerous studies, including a DOE study that was done in 2008 called the Top Lighting Report. And the daylighting or top lighting is one of the most useful ways to reduce that energy consumption. And what that report helped point it out was, regardless of geographic area in the country, and regardless of building zone type, by incorporating a proper design of a skylight and that design strategy, we can reduce that consumption of energy in the space. So how many people have a skylight in their house? Anybody? Right. So you're probably used to having that spotlight track across the floor throughout the day, maybe it fades the carpets and the drapes. The dog likes to lie there usually. But most people associate that with skylights. And that's fine. And then a lot of people also associate, hey, my skylights do what? They leak. A lot of people associate leaks with skylights. So those are two of the most common myths that we deal with regularly, especially in commercial building space. And we want to get past those very quickly and through proper design we can do that. So we can overcome those small hurdles that we have. Many people also associate the excessive heat and UV damage through skylights. And when we can again use a proper design of a skylight, we can eliminate that concern as well. And we can demonstrate this through many clients that we have. One example is Walmart where we've done over almost 5,000 other properties. Typical project saves about $100,000 per year. Return on investments about 18 months. So they see significant savings as well and so we can prove our benefits in the space. Of course, since the beginning of time, we've used natural light to light a space. And only recently have we gotten away from that by using artificial lighting. So we want to make sure that as we incorporate these strategies of including electric lighting, natural lighting and controls, to truly light a space most efficiently. Even Thomas Edison himself said, and I quote, we are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using nature's inexhaustible sources of energy, sun, wind and tide. I put my money on the sun, solar energy. What a source of power. I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that. End of quote. So there's two current legislative efforts that I mentioned previously. First is the amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act. This amendment makes an underlying statutory change to the DOD's required energy regarding direct solar. And this would allow them to incorporate direct solar or passive solar lighting, which is daylighting into their projects. The second piece of legislation that we're asking for support on is that we would have a, and have a positive impact on the economy and job creation is the energy savings and industrial competitiveness act, which is 761. This bill includes incentives for energy efficiency and for whole building performance. It's not just based on, it's based on systems rather than products. It looks at the building as a complete system. This bill would boost the competitiveness of US manufacturers and create jobs in the manufacturing, sourcing, distribution and service sectors. Potentially economic impact is significant from both of these bills. And we're asking for the support of Congress and if you would ask your congressman as well and senators to support these, it could have a dramatic impact on the economy at large. One final quote I have for today is, this concept of daylighting and eliminating the need for natural electric light throughout the day as much as possible is something that was echoed even this morning for some of the congressmen that spoke at the expo. The energy secretary, Chu, said it as well. He said, and I quote, the cleanest energy is not solar, geothermal or wind, it's energy saved. The energy that is never used at all. And that's the entire concept around daylighting when we incorporate it into the space. If you have any questions, we're in the expo set up at B14. I appreciate your time. Great, thank you. And we'll now turn to Jeff Beider, who is the managing partner with Capstone Turban Distributor, part of the affinity distributed generation. Jeff. Good afternoon, folks. I guess I'll have to ask a question like others did. Does everyone know what combined heat and power is? CHP, combined heat and power? It's an energy savings mechanism. It's extremely energy efficient. And we use various types of fuel to generate electricity and thermal energy. So our turbines, which I'll tell you about in a minute, use a natural gas or a biogas or even diesel gas and make electricity. And then the heat that comes off our jet engine is used to make hot water, chilled water, or steam simultaneously. And it can do it with or without the electric utility grid. So we hear about resiliency and the importance to have the ability to go to a standalone or island operation. And that's what Capstone Turban manufacture turbines do. So a little bit about Capstone, if I may. I'm a distributor. We have offices in Philadelphia, Washington, DC, Clarksburg, West Virginia, and Orlando, Florida. Our number one job is, started out as a mercenary mission to educate the community on CHP and what effects it has. Because we've seen the super escos and others always take a run at the sort of, I guess, attractive energy return on investment projects. And as those start to get chewed up and get taken advantage of and we see success, we're starting to see some of the super escos turn to small scale CHP. So when I say CHP, you don't recognize it, but when I say small scale CHP, it has a different meaning because Capstone manufactures a single stage jet engine in California. It's an American made product with 75% US steel. It delivers 70, 80, 90% energy efficiency on one fuel. So we could get plug power out of the wall with 33% electrical efficiency, or we could put it into one of our turbines or another type of CHP technology and get 70 miles, 80 miles, or 90 miles on that same fuel. We, again, go do it with or without the electric utility grid. We've seen a great deal of interest and sort of requests for information ever since Sandy rolled through New Jersey and New York. So again, we're placing stationary assets inside the customer's fence, either on the roof, outside the back, unlike the diesel generator that sits out there and that you hope when you lose the utility power that this unit will kick on, offer a big plume of smoke and provide power to isolated circuits in the building. Unlike that, in a combined heat and power application, we take the fuel and we make base load electricity and base load thermal energy. If the system is designed properly, it could be a dual mode application. Should that anomaly occur on the grid, the unit will issue a command to the breaker at the utility in service at this corner of the building and say goodbye, and it'll continue to operate and go into what we call an island mode. We do that for, we actually do it on oil rigs and throughout the oil and gas shale industry. We do it very regularly. So Capstone has 90 distributors worldwide. We really make just three jet engines, a 30 kilowatt unit, a 65 kilowatt and a 200 that we gang together. Folks, we've seen a significant interest in customers wanting their own resiliency. We've seen a significant interest in customers that have older aging infrastructure, such as old boilers that skew significant emissions out the stack or aging air conditioning or chiller systems that are 20 years old, 30 years old. CHP offers a solution to all of those situations. Quite often somebody will say to me, what is it that you sell? And I say, it's a stationary power product, but maybe more importantly, it's a boiler that makes electricity simultaneously or it's an air conditioner that makes electricity simultaneously and by the way, it does it with emissions that are 10 times cleaner than your car exhaust. So through our combustion process, we're capable of making this power and reducing the customer's carbon footprint. To give you a real quick example, our flagship project in Philadelphia was the Four Seasons Hotel. Logan Square, they were buying hot, they were making hot water off the steam loop and we took a while to get the customer educated and convinced, but they bought host properties Four Seasons Hotel and in a matter of 120 days, they hit start, we issued the equipment order and the units were delivered to the site. The site was prepped, they picked them up off the ground, put them on the roof. Two weeks later, our team was down there, everything was hooked up and we were ready to start them up. So we went through our commissioning process and started them up. The day we fired those turbines up and he started to make 100% of the hot water in the hotel for showers, the pool, the spa. He slashed his carbon footprint by 50%, for Marvin Dixon, the engineer. His energy savings turned out to be $80,000 in the first two months and spewed up to approximately a three-year return on investment for the client. So there were a lot of key benefits there. The gas utilities were involved to promote efficiently clean technologies and so I just ask you to raise your attention to combined heat and power or combined cooling, heating and power. Again, one fuel in, up to five benefits out. So one of our machines can make hot water, chilled water, electricity and be there when a grid disappears. We did it through Hurricane Sandy at a number of our sites and I think you're starting to see through DOE and ICF and EPA folks that combined heat and power really needs a fair shake next to wind and solar. There is no parity on the investment tax credit side. Those other technologies fuel cell when solar receive a 30% investment tax credit. 90% of the panels were made overseas. The turbines and the combined heat and power market only enjoys a 10% investment tax credit. Our capstone turbines are made domestically in the United States. They deliver 80% efficiency and they have an operating life of 20 to 30 years. So I appreciate your time. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Obviously there's enormous potential for CHP in the country and of course there was an executive order issued by the president last August, calling for a very, very substantial increase because there is such an enormous potential and for folks that are interested in more information too, I just wanted to mention that ESI held two forums in May that the videos and presentations are on our website and basically it helps provide examples of how CHP and district energy and microgrids, how they work together to provide great resilience and again some terrific examples of systems that stayed up during Hurricane Sandy so that there are ways that we can really deal with much greater reliability and resilience as we sort of look at how we move forward to the future. So we're now going to take another turn and turn to Andy Kunz who is the president CEO of the US High Speed Rail Association. Thank you Carol and thank you for having us here today. We started the US High Speed Rail Association in 2009 following the president launching the national program and since then we've put out a national map with a vision for the country. This is 17,000 miles of all new high speed rail built and we're actually passing out those brochures now so you can have one of your own. It also lists the many benefits that High Speed Rail will deliver to America. Number one is saving a ton of energy. If we get a national system built like this map, it's all electrically powered. This could really cut the nation's oil consumption in half or more because we use 20 million barrels of oil a day in America and 70% of it's for transportation so that's really the big elephant that we have to tackle. So the transportation liquid fuels issue, we're not gonna be able to replace oil in those quantities by any number of other fuels. It's just that the quantities are not gonna be able to add up so what we need to do is move at least a third or half of the trips into trains that are super efficient and then what's left, we can use electric cars and a lot of the other energy sources to power everything so it's kind of a combination system and then just inside this brochure you'll see the energy efficiency of a high speed train compared to an airplane for example, it's about five times more efficient and I think these numbers are actually kind of low and so the idea is that the program is moving forward, the government has funded sort of seeding some of the projects so it's really a small start. Well we've estimated that to build this whole national system is probably about $600 billion or more and so the president has put 10 billion so far so it's 10 billion more than we've ever spent on high speed rail but it's a very small start and we need to really up those numbers. China's spending something like 500 billion on their high speed rail system so that just to give you a comparison in China, physically their nation, their country is almost the same size as America, the width and the height and everything and their cities are more concentrated over to one side but they're still covering those long distances, they just opened a new line a few months ago, 1400 miles long and they built it all in about four years so what we're trying to do is get this country moving faster, thinking bigger and moving into this more quickly and to do that we've been working to bring in private investment as well to add to the federal investment because we think that in these economic times it's gonna be difficult to ever get the federal government to come up with 600 billion even if we do it little by little, a little bit each year over the next 20 or 30 years so what we've been trying to do is get at least half of that from the private sector and these systems actually around the world make a lot of money so the investors are very interested most of the high speed operations say in France and Japan and these places, they're making billions of dollars of actually net profit at the end of the year so it costs a lot to actually install the systems and get them built but then once they're operational private companies take over and actually make a lot of money and eventually actually pay down the initial investment so that's actually a better return on investment than all of our other forms of transportation so we're here to just basically share information with everybody, we have a booth in the room there please come and stop by, we have this map a lot larger we have videos showing some of the trains that are already in operation around the world and join our association if you're a business person wanna get involved and we encourage everybody to share the information about high speed rail and what it will do for America, thank you. Thank you Andy, I don't know about everybody else but I love trains and the situation I think is so interesting here in the United States with regard to trains because I don't know about you but it seems like I keep finding train lovers everywhere and when you travel in other countries and whether it's Europe or Asia the amount of trains, the people traveling by trains the investment that is being made it should say something to Americans and to our policy makers about the direction that the rest of the world has been going and is going with regard to transportation and what this means to people in every country in terms of getting business done in terms of the kind of travel that we're doing so I don't know about you but I hope that we start to look at this much more seriously than what the country has done thus far. So we're now going to turn to David Johnston who is the CEO and executive director of the Exterior Insulation and Finish Systems Members Association. Now that's not the most exciting name for an association I must say but it is also terribly important in terms of thinking about what this really represents with regard to energy efficiency and I hope one thing that everybody comes away with is how complimentary all of these different pieces that we've been hearing about really are and that they each play a very, very important role in terms of developing a sustainable clean energy economy. Thank you very much Carol. I would have to agree with you that it's not the most exciting name going. I did not name it. I want you to know that and I didn't name the system that I'm about to talk about. Exterior Insulation and Finish Systems, EAFS that I would much prefer a much more simpler name like the Clark Bar or Mars Candy Bar or something like that. Before I begin I'd like to recognize my colleague Scott Robinson. Scott would raise your hand back in the room there. He's tweeting away and thank you very much. The Exterior Insulation and Finish Systems Industry Members Association. We're a small group where the industry is about $2 billion annually and that includes the designers, it includes the suppliers, the manufacturers and the applicators and the distributors of the system. What Exterior Insulation and Finish Systems are and they're otherwise known as EAFS in the industry. EAFS are basically a system comprised of, you have the exterior wall which is called the substrate. That's not part of the EIFS but you would have the substrate and the EAFS attached to the substrate. So on the exterior wall of the Cannon House Office building you would put on first of all a water-resistant barrier then followed by the adhesive. Then you would have a rigid foam insulation board attached to that, a base coat to provide strength and in that base coat you have a reinforcing mesh that's made out of fiberglass. Then you have a decorative finish applied to it and the most simple system makes it look like stucco but the finish can really look like brick polished metal limestone marble, you name it. Because it is mixed and put into a five gallon bucket, I'm speaking of the finish system now, you can basically get any color of the rainbow. The real star of the show for our industry is the quality of it, the attribute is the energy efficiency of EIFS. Because it falls in the category of continuous insulation it provides a thermal blanket on the exterior of the house. So rather than insulation being in the stud wall cavities, it goes on the outside of the house and is covered by your decorative finish. So it really does enhance thermal efficiency and in some cases anywhere from 20 to 25% beyond traditional wall claddings within cavity wall insulation or in cavity insulation. We've had a study done by the Oak Ridge National Laboratory and it shows that EIFS is far superior to competing wall claddings and in both thermal efficiency as well as moisture control. One of our speakers here talked about leaks, all buildings leak but EIFS is able to control that leakage better than other wall claddings. I would like to point out that in 2013 the Department of Energy is going to require that all states adopt what's known as ASHRAE 90.1, the 2010 edition of this energy efficiency standard and this ASHRAE 90.1 is going to require some elements of continuous insulation and EIFS can meet that. I'd like to read here what continuous insulation is. Continuous insulation is that insulation that continues across all structural members without thermal bridges other than fasteners and service openings and installed on the interior or exterior or is integral to any opaque surface of the building envelope and with that that EIFS is probably the purest form of continuous insulation because it can be attached to adhesive leak. There's been some questions about the appearance I've answered that. There's been some questions about the durability of EIFS. EIFS can meet the hurricane requirements established by the Miami-Dade County area. So EIFS is also in the 2009 International Building Code and International Residential Code and it's a great way to save some of that 40% of the energy that's used in the United States within buildings. Thank you very much. Thank you very much and it's always so interesting to learn about how different technologies have evolved, how they're being applied and being utilized and also to understand that codes continue to strengthen and need to and the thing is there are a lot of different ways to go ahead and to meet those so that it's really important to encourage codes to continually be strengthened across the country. And I think a major issue is trying to encourage that to overcome opposition to new codes because it just improves everybody's building structures by allowing us to always incorporate improved technology. We have a few minutes left so if you've got any questions, now is the time that we can take about five minutes for questions. You've got a lot of expertise here. Any questions or comments? Okay, we'll go over here. Actually I'm not ready for any. This is about their general problem, the ESPC issue. I was wondering if you could just sort of weigh in on some of the difficulties that champions in Congress have had getting the CDO to score these things with out of price tag and if there's any way through that in a way that the industry could structure these things better or get over that hurdle. We read into this scoring issue in 2002 when we first started to need to reauthorize ESPCs. They're now permanently reauthorized but we swallowed a very large score in the offing. The problem is simply that CBO looks at ESPCs and the fact that you've entered, the federal government enters into a long-term contract with the energy service company to pay them back. That is now a mandatory expenditure. Meanwhile, you're getting paid back out of appropriated dollars that are appropriated for energy bills. Those are discretionary. You wouldn't know it when the Navy had to appropriate an extra billion dollars during the energy crisis in the early 2000s because we really do pay our energy bills in the government but it is discretionary money because it's annual appropriations. As for solution, we have looked and looked and looked for a way to restructure contracts that would make it work better. It's not an option. I will tell you that the Office of Management budget does not score ESPCs. That is very different from almost every other thing that CBO scores. CBO will admit that it's a different cat ESPCs. It has a guarantee that's unusual. It is the nature of the guarantee that led OMB not to score it. So I don't know if there's a solution here but the scorekeepers are the budget committee, CBO and OMB. And we have OMB not scoring and currently CBO and the budget committees that do so. We continue to work on it ever so slowly. So questions need to continually be asked of those bodies. Okay, other questions or comments? All right, then I want to thank our panel very, very much and please make sure that you check out their exhibits and ask lots of questions. This is a great opportunity to take advantage of having all these folks here. Thank you very much.