 I make a point of just picking it randomly. I don't even I just you know Hey, man a cool name is Something to be thankful for I think it's cool. I always shout out cool names. Oh, that is a cool name right It's a grocery store chain a really good one All right, you guys ready to do some daily tech news show then ready? Yeah, hey Here we go in three two Roger Trader has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Roger become a DTNs member at patreon.com DTNS This is the Daily Tech news for Friday March 22nd 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane spring is sprung in Cleveland. I'm Len Peralta and I'm the show's producer of the other Roger chain Also joining us. We're very excited to have Trisha Hershberger gaming and tech host back on the show Tricia. Welcome back. Yay Thank you so much for having me. It's been too long. It has been But it's the perfect week because we had a game developers conference jam packed with cool announcements this week. Oh, yeah We are going to talk about game streaming a little later on particularly All of the options not just Google Stadia and how they compare, but let's start with a few tech things You should know Intel confirmed it will not develop new compute cards going forward launched back in 2017 Compute card offered a swappable CPU RAM and storage in a credit card sized package And we're aimed at point of sale and all-in-one devices The company will support and sell existing compute card products though do the end of this year Mark Gurman reports that Vox media has signed on as a partner for Apple's forthcoming and yet to be announced subscription news service We expect to hear about that Monday Bloomberg sources say that content from Vox.com will be available on the service at launch While other Vox media properties like the verge espionage and eater will not be offered initially The Guardian reports a court filing by Washington DC's Attorney General's office that says Facebook admitted It suspected Cambridge Analytica of improper data gathering practices as early as September of 2015 That's two whole months before the Guardian first reported on it in December of 2015 The filing was an objection to Facebook's request to seal an email exchange between company senior managers Facebook said that the emails referred to unrelated Suspicions rather about Cambridge Analytica scraping data not the information gathered by professor Alexander Kogan That was shared with Cambridge Analytica without permission And India's unified payments interface or UPI has led to a boom in payment options in India with about a trillion rupees worth of transactions going through it as of December Paytm, PhoneP, Google, Amazon, WhatsApp, Xiaomi They've all joined UPI and now and Tracker reports that 10 cents WeChat pay may launch a UPI enabled payments app in India By the end of either May or June All right, let's talk a little bit about Well, heart disease and hacking Yeah, the Department of Homeland Security issued an alert on Thursday that researchers from security firm called Clever Security discovered 750,000 Medtronic defibrillators and bedside monitors were vulnerable to two separate exploits that could harm patients One vulnerability would allow malicious actors to read patient data, which is not encrypted on the device The other allows a man in the middle attack to intercept and alter device settings Communicating from an at-home monitor to the defibrillator, which doesn't use any formal authentication Now according to Medtronic's chief medical officer Robert Cole Attackers would need to be within 20 feet of the device So it would have to be somewhat specific in order to do much damage No recall is expected and a software patch is forthcoming. Now. Here's the thing This is both horrible and probably not that big of a deal for most people at the same time because these attacks Can't allow someone to rewrite the entire firmware. So Medtronic is trying to play this down by saying Reasonably somebody would have to be, you know, really motivated to do this No, you had one and be within 20 feet of you Which means that the risk of this happening to any given person is pretty low But at the same time they're not fixing the lack of authentication and encryption Because adding those steps does reduce the battery life of the implant which is a concern And so it is still something that could happen when you're talking about something that is connected to your heart I would like to have as much security as possible. I think Yeah, yeah, I tried to get as paranoid as possible when I first read the story this morning like okay, this is be like I don't know some sort of a You know it in war time could could could you could you? Hack a bunch of defibrillators and hurt a bunch of people at the same time You know if if that was something that you were motivated to do, you know I was trying to think of worst-case scenarios and for the most part Yeah, I mean, this is sort of one of those like ooh, that would be that would be pretty terrible if somebody targeted assassinations, right? Exactly. Yes, it's like in the next John Wick Right, so we so yeah, you know the capabilities are sort of scary But yes the the carrying out of anything that would be of harm to somebody seems pretty slim I mean would it be something where you could just wear like a led-lined apparel like a vest and then that just Neutralizes that I suppose that would be a way to mitigate it You wouldn't get the heart monitoring function that you get otherwise But when you're ready to to read the the heart monitor, you could you could then just take the lead vest off Interesting. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's absolutely terrifying I'm like picturing someone that really wants to do some harm like going into a hospital and just seeing with a 20-foot radius You know how many people they could take out but because it's something like you said it's on your heart It's in your body. So of course you want that to be as secure as possible But of course, yes, the likelihood of it happening is very slim Scientists from the University of Washington and Microsoft published research in Nature scientific reports describing an automated System that can turn digital bits of information into coded DNA molecules for storage and then convert the molecules back into bits as needed This has been done before with people running around in a lab with pipettes But now they've automated it which makes it much more practical the encoded word. Hello Was done in strands of DNA and then successfully read back out if you're curious. Hello was coded as tc a a c a t Gatg a gt In in the DNA enzymes the system's big advance was being automated software translated information to DNA code Which was sent to a synthesizer that combined the chemicals and liquids to output the DNA molecules and then to read the DNA It was drawn back into an apparatus more chemicals added and then automatically pushed through a nanopore DNA sequencing machine That automatically converted that to binary the density of DNA storage Could mean if they're able to scale this and make it even more practical that you could store an exabyte of information in a cubic inch Let that sink in for a second the researchers are also developing digital microfluidic devices called purple drop That would allow you to manipulate more data and an operating system called puddle That that could be able to read and write data Researchers at Caltech and UC Davis this week also published a paper describing a data processing system They use a self-assembling DNA to run algorithms So these are all early days, but big advances pointing to the idea that hey It you know for storage we may be using DNA at some point. I Had to read the story like 12 times the first time I read it. I was like what? The second time I was like, okay, so it's like a zip file Interesting really using Yeah, exactly and and and now yeah that the exabyte in a cubic inch That did have to sink in for a man. You know because it's like that's crazy However, it's Extremely cool, and I'm I was quite floored by the story actually Trisha, are you ready for DNA computing? No, it makes me feel like we are one step closer to Neuromancer becoming a reality Like you know, we're getting there and I'm I'm all about kind of cyborg modification type Type technology, but it's so crazy to me that you know, we're there and this is a real thing that's happening Well, and that's the interesting thing right now. This isn't living material You wouldn't create actual molecules out of it But that that is kind of a side project one could be like mum But what what if I could you know, what if I could store files and then yeah Then create molecules as they read the data out of the files. There's all kinds of places that you're like the new bio Yeah, any man if you can Start my private key in my finger Yes You're not a scientist too bad for you Sony announced a new state-of-play live stream that's coming March 25th Interesting day to choose but okay at 5 p.m. Eastern on Twitch at YouTube at Twitter and Facebook to show game trailers and announce new games as Well, Sony says it will run more state of play streams later in 2019 Yeah, so it's it's later in the day than the Apple announcement, but it is it's not really counter-programming I guess Interesting here though, Trisha that that Sony is taking the Nintendo route as they're no longer going to be at e3 to just say We want to announce directly to the fans. Yeah I think that they've seen a lot of success in that Nintendo route where people look forward to the next Nintendo Direct You can get alerts on your Google Calendar to tell you when it's coming people get hyped Then it's trending on Twitter that day and having that happen multiple times throughout the year Obviously is a big benefit for Nintendo as opposed to Sony sticking to the more traditional method in doing the one big or few big shows a year Yeah, I The first thing I thought when I saw this is okay If you're if you've got a ps4 and you're playing ps4 games, you're gonna care about this You're gonna want to know what the new game announcements are and psvr announcements and all of that But they didn't tease anything big here. Do you think they will do hardware announcements on this stream? Oh, I Don't think so like my guess is no I think probably what we're gonna see is a lot of new title announcements Maybe some new exclusives coming up which Sony's been knocking it out of the ballpark with exclusives So people will want to tune in for that even if you're not necessarily a Sony gamer as your primary console I mean for me even as primarily a PC gamer I'm still paying attention to what Sony is doing because their exclusives have been killing it I mean if you look at the game of the year nominations What was it last year? I forget even but three or four Sony exclusive nominations that are in there between God of war and spider-man and you know that they're doing very very well So I think the entire industry will pay attention to this and if this turns out to be if this Yeah, if this turns out to be a really big deal Then people are going to start paying attention And I think Sony will get that additional trending and additional attention that they want Yeah, and maybe hardware announcements are in a future version of this down the road perhaps sure. Yeah, although I don't know what those are gonna be Open signal did a study to compare 4g LTE advanced speeds from AT&T T-Mobile Verizon and Sprint This is what open signal did it does they're very good at sort of measuring how fast the different services are LTE advanced is branded as 5ge by AT&T though Because AT&T says that it can achieve 5g like speeds even though it's technically 4g LTE advanced so a lot more people paying attention to this particular report After comparing user initiated speed test from more than 1 million devices open signal found that Verizon had the fastest average speed at 29.9 megabits per second T-Mobile came in second at 29.4 megabits per second and AT&T Third at 28.8 megabits per second Sprint landed fourth with 20.4 megabits per second Now open signal said the top three carriers all showed a 60% speed boost for their LTE advanced Implementations over their previous LTE services, so it's worth saying these are definitely faster than the other service You used to get on LTE AT&T however objected To the test saying the speed test relied on devices capable of what they call 5ge Not whether the device was actually receiving what they call 5ge service Which could be an explanation of why Sprint had such a lower average speed You may have had more five or LTE advanced capable devices But not having access to Sprint's LTE advanced service because it may be not be as widely rolled out But the fact of the matter is LTE advanced on T-Mobile and on Verizon pretty much about the same as AT&T Whether it's called LTE advanced or 5ge Man, am I the only one who does not really care what we call this stuff as long as we are going in the direction of things being faster No, you're not I it bugs me and other people because it's going to fool folks into thinking Oh, but if I get that I'll be getting the fastest one available because it says five not four. Yes, I'm there with you I'm there with you a hundred percent that yeah People think that 5g is just the next faster version of 4g when it's in fact a completely different technology And it just causes endless confusion for us on the show to be like well, this is 5ge, but it's not really 5g It's LTE advanced Well, okay, so well, what are our thoughts on AT&T saying? Well, hold on a second This was should have been about the devices that are capable of what we're calling 5ge Not the receiving end of 5g Listen, if if there were a significant difference here than maybe But my guess is if they said alright, we will only measure the phones that were receiving 5g Yes, the overall speed boost would be up But I still think it would be about the same as T-Mobile and Verizon might even be worse for AT&T if you got that number I don't think it would material make materially make a difference here And what open signal defends themselves by saying is we're giving customers an idea of what their experience will be And the experience will not be to always just be on the LTE advanced network. They'll they'll be hopping from one to another Well, Trisha, you mentioned some Exclusives and the Verge reports that Epic Games Store chief Steve Ellison says that the company doesn't plan to do exclusive forever Though they will do it for a while He added quote we will at some point go to zero or very very few exclusives per year Definitely not going to be doing it at the scale. We're doing now. So that's nice and vague But seems like there's there's there's some movement than the the decreasing of exclusives at Epic Yeah, there's movement because they're getting a lot of backlash from PC gamers that may not trust the Epic Games Store Just yet or want to put their all into owning games via that and especially because there's been confusion about games being advertised on steam and being able to take pre-orders on steam and then being pulled off of the steam store because Epic has gotten the exclusive rights and they're being confusion there So I think in general people are a little crotchety that instead of just going to one store like they used to everyone You know valve was the way to go and now there's Origin Store now, you know Epic has a store. How many different stores do we need Blizzard has its store? How many different stores do we need to get our PC games? And I think that's where they're feeling frustration from people but on the other hand the exclusives are Kind of a smart business move in the beginning outside of that PC backlash because I I don't play fortnight So I have zero reason to download the epic and the epic store and go through the epic store Except for the fact that control Remedy's new game is coming through them and I really want control So guess I'm gonna have to get it because of that exclusive. How do you guys feel? Yeah, I go back and forth like I'm more on the side of I don't think it matters as much first of all, you know as someone who plays games on multiple platforms I'm used to it with consoles and even This kind of exclusivity is better on the PC platform than on the console on the console if it's exclusive to Xbox I cannot play it on my ps4 at all with this if it's exclusive to epic. I can still play it on my PC I just have to download some other software and granted that's annoying And maybe I don't want to have to start another account because maybe I don't trust all of these companies are gonna guard my data I get that those are valid objections But to me it's not as bad as like you you have to buy a whole new piece of hardware to play it Yeah, it's definitely having better than having to buy into different hardware for sure I know that there were some concerns from players about epics tie to the Chinese government I believe and worried about yeah, I feel like that's fun though. I mean 10 cent is an investor in Epic it's also an investor in reddit. It's also an investor in most of the movie companies in the United States It's an investor in a lot of things 10 cent having a minority stake in something Gives it zero influence over that thing So I I feel like that's just people who are upset with the exclusivity trying to throw more shade on epic Hey, folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines comm. All right. Let's talk about Google stadia Also Microsoft project X cloud PlayStation now Nvidia GeForce now blade shadow all of these streaming services are either out or on the way Tricia, can you help us make some sense of this because I think a lot of people are concerned of whether this is going to work And if it does is it going to get rid of the ability to control what games you have because you have to subscribe to a bunch of services Like you do for streaming video Yeah, I mean, I think the hope is that a lot of the major triple a games will be offered on all of these So you won't have to subscribe to all the different streaming services now that being said as we've seen with Television and Netflix and Hulu their exclusives are what draw people to their specific platform I think right now the conversation centers more around the tech of each platform And whose tech is going to make us a reality and I say that because we've seen valve Do things off over your home network even through steam link and the steam machines where people even on your home network We're experiencing enough lag that the games weren't really playable Nvidia has had g-force now out since 2015 in beta You know claiming up to 1080p at 60 frames per second gameplay and while I've seen it work in closed demos at ces and you know in specific press suites I don't know anyone that's tried it out in the wild if you will and had a good experience there But however, I feel like if anybody can do it google stands a chance to do it the project stream beta impressed a lot of people But I think we're so beholden to Individual internet service providers and individual up-and-down speeds that who knows if this will actually work in practice Well, and that's the thing there's lots of ways for this stuff to go wrong even in your home network There's lots of ways to go wrong So I get their perspective of how could they make this work? It's never going to be as good and and technically just because of the speed of light it never can be as good But it can probably be good enough for most of us to not notice if we're if we're not especially like competitive esports professionals Whether they will or not seems to be the big area of debate And what I see in the loads of people that are writing into our show talking about this is the folks who have Nvidia g-force now the folks who have a shield the folks who have blade shadow service say it's great I use it it works the folks who don't have those services Are the ones who like how can it possibly work? I'm skeptical. I'm not sure this is gonna really go down the way it should Well, that's great to hear I would love to see this work. I mean the the idealistic future that is the ability to play All of the major games and all their high res beautiful glory on any device We won and to be able to stop playing a game at home at my gaming pc And then pick it up on my phone at the bus stop You know 15 minutes later right where I left off or some of the things stadia was sharing about State share and crowd play as someone who streams It would be great if the process of streaming and having viewers join my game live was simplified These are all wonderful things But I think with a lot of the major services where we're still hung up is the details How are game devs going to be compensated? I mean if we look at what google has done before with youtube and youtubers That doesn't show a great record of supporting content creators monetarily So if that plays over to the game dev side of it, then that's that raises a lot of questions and concerns there Um, so I think it's not only in you know the speed and the tech and the infrastructure can that deliver But also just what is this going to look like are we buying individual titles? Or are we doing a more netflix model where we pay monthly and get access to all the titles? Are there tiered models? What is what are the ownership rights look like? All of these things are still very up in the air And I think until we get some answers on that front a lot of people are going to be skeptical Yeah, I my guess is if something trips up google stadia It's not going to be the technology google's pretty good at that stuff And I don't think they would come out with this if they had doubts But everything you just said about compensation and how is it going to pay and what titles are going to be available Is where it could go horribly wrong and is the kind of thing that as as you pointed out google has a Has a track record of not always getting that kind of stuff right I got the impression from the stadia announcement that you had to develop your game for this platform because it's not just emulating windows like like shadow It's it's a whole platform that you have to either port your game to or develop it for and I even got the Impression that they really want people to develop it for stadia Did you have that impression and what what did you think about that? You know, I I didn't get that impression that you would have to develop it specifically for stadia Mostly because they were touting ubisoft so much and assassins create odyssey as being this big one Um, so I mean if ubisoft did completely port their game just for stadia, then that's huge I thought that they were showing that specifically to say You know this we know this is an intense game to run on any system And look how well ours does it kind of saying anything that you're having trouble running maybe on your home pc Or whatever generation console you currently have We're going to take that load off your back and take care of it for you boasting 4k hdr 60 frames per second and up to 8k in the near future I felt like that's where they were going for that But I I mean it could definitely be that you have to develop it just for stadia And I think that would be a major setback if that were the case Yeah, I I hope you're right, uh, and and I think I think you you paid closer attention than I did to be honest So I think you you probably are there may be some more virtualization going on Or maybe it's just super easy to bring over a game For stadia and run it on that platform That brings me to the idea of having you know project xcloud whatever it ends up being called out there next to Google stadia and playstation now and assuming sony Gets into this game a little in a little different way or tries to be more widespread You know is this Going to not supplant. I don't think it ever supplants physical discs even But will this become the dominant way people play? Could you see that it might be? I mean a lot of the conversation right now in the pc building world is all about building with games in mind Can this run a specific game? There's obviously You know like cad programs and the people that are building for that as well and having the streaming services Aim towards that like I believe blade is is really fascinating in this whole discussion But I think for the most part people just want to know can I run my game with the hardware? I have and taking that expense off people's plate of needing the hardware Or needing the expertise to put the hardware together or whatever it may be I think that's a really exciting value proposition for people And if one of these companies can deliver on that in the way that's promised I don't know that people are going to hang on to their concerns so much of No, I need my physical game. I need the ownership I think that they might you know in that short term cost saving Of going streaming versus buying a new console or putting together a new gaming pc I think that's going to be attractive to a lot of people now Of course, there will be your enthusiasts and your diehards that need the physical media and want to put together their own Rgb spectacular gaming pc But I think that for the most part we will see a culture shift there I think it would be really clever if one of these services Emphasized portability. I know I know google said that they would support cross platform play as as long as the other platforms supported it too But what if what if they said? We will we will give you you know something like movies anywhere for games So once you buy a game on google stadia you could go to microsoft project xcloud and play it there too Oh, that would be really interesting. Yeah, I would love to see something like that Um, I I think xcloud is is the closest to teasing something like that right now Because microsoft has the benefit of having the pc gamers and the xbox gamers So being able to enjoy various titles across all of that and uh, I mean they already pretty much have that going between Microsoft exclusives as far as owning them on the microsoft store and owning them on your xbox So we'll see that that would be an interesting way to go And I think that's the dream we all want right we want to be able to play any of our games In whatever our preferred format is So for me it's pc but for my friend over there it might be switch and for you it might be mobile and you know Who knows but being able to own it once and then have it across all of your devices would be awesome Yeah, I mean imagine uh only being concerned with your screen and your controller And every and the device in between the service Wouldn't matter that that'd be amazing Before we wrap up the one one one quick, uh question about this rumor Gamma suture reporting that apparently walmart is interested in setting up its own gaming streaming platform. What do you make of that? Oh, that's so crazy. My my head exploded when I read that headline Um, it doesn't surprise me that a major corporation like walmart would be trying to get into that But at the same time everything in my body just rejects it Everything in me is like, uh, no, don't but i'm not shocked walmart is your streaming place now How do you feel about it? Would you get walmart streaming if it proved to be great enough? When I think about walmart, I have the exact same response. We're like that's just too weird But when I think about the fact that walmart owns voodoo the game streaming service Maybe there's some tech Synergy there where they could they could partner with somebody To do a legitimate streaming service. It's a long way to go from video streaming to game streaming So I'd want to know who else was involved with that, but I I could see it as a logical outgrowth of the voodoo business Yeah, I guess the more competition there is in the video game streaming space the better it is for the consumer Hopefully they'll they'll fight it out and give us a better product in the end. Yeah Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our sub reddit You can submit stories and vote on others at daily tech news show dot reddit.com Be hanging out on facebook join our group facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show What's in the mailbag sarah? Well, you know, it's funny, uh, as trisha was talking I was like she's kind of reading nicks brain who wrote in and said as I've gotten a little older and wiser I've begun to hate exclusives. Why can't I play what I want on any device? I want in my case a powerful pc I'm really happy to have microsoft putting their exclusives on steam and the switch in addition to the xbox and microsoft store I want sony and iteno to follow suit with their exclusives Why should I have to own an advice for every company to play their games in 2019? However on the pc we have the issue of ea and activation blizzard only selling their games through their proprietary game store Which forces you to use a store you might not be comfortable with now Epic is not only providing for fortnight Exclusively through their store, but also making deals for other companies games to be exclusive in their store I want to be able to buy what I want from any store I feel best serves my needs and epics practices are making them harder on the other hand Though I actually like the curated approach of epic if i'm looking for a new game on steam I feel like I have to wade through a sea of low quality garbage to find a gem of a game If i'm able to make that gem at all it would be a I want to be able to easily find the next cool game that is worth my time and money It's no good having a cool game under a pile of 99 cent games That somebody in a basement threw together in an hour to try and game the system. Nick is fired up. You can tell Nick says in summary. So yeah, I both like and hate epic at the moment. Hopefully they listen to feedback and make a store I can fully support Thank you, nick And thanks to everybody who writes in we love reading your emails We don't have time to read all of them necessarily on the show, but we do take them to account And now we will check in with len peralta who has been busily illustrating The day's episode len. What have you drawn for us today? Yeah, you know I'm really excited about the future of gaming and how stadia is going to change it the streaming services seem really excited And so I decided to draw and see What I think uh, how I think stadia will change the future of gaming Uh, this actually is a is actually a cartoon sort of based on my son Who uh, I think is uh, is stuck to his chair most of the time So before stadia, uh, obviously there's a console After stadia, uh, the only thing that's changed is he's still sitting there with his head phone down exactly the same position He's changed his t-shirt though changes t-shirt. No no console. He's saved so much tabletop space What will he do with it? But i'm a little bit worried about his uh, his his uh, his well-being So we'll see how that changes gamers, but I am excited about the streaming service. We'll see how that goes Um, this print is available right now at my patreon if you go to my patreon patreon.com forward slash len $5 patrons get this right now. It's there or you can go the traditional way and just get it from my online store Very cool len also. Thanks to trisha hersberger for being with us this fine friday trisha Let folks know what they can keep up with all your latest work. Oh my goodness. Thank you guys so much for having me This is always such a joy. Uh, people can find me online at that grl trish So it's like that girl trish, but minus the i in girl and that's on facebook twitter and instagram Or you can find me on youtube or twitch slash trisha hershberger Excellent folks. We like to wear hats on fridays if you watch our video You see that we even do a vote in our discord about which hat i'm going to wear You should also wear hats and if you're like, I don't have a hat. Where do I find a hat? I want a dtns hat. You've got options. We've got a dtns baseball hat and a dtns stocking cap aka took aka beanie Whatever you call it. 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Yes Good luck if you want it I mean honestly it's untitled youtube news show So I'm like they probably can't match my hosting rate Anyway, like I even if for whatever crazy bizarre reason they were like, this is the girl We want to talk about the kardashians like it's so kind of counter brand for me that I don't think it would happen. Um, but len I absolutely love your artwork And I saw on your page that you do commissions of d&d character work And I'm going to tell everybody I know about that because I think that's awesome. Please. Please do. Thank you so much It was great. All right guys. Have a good rest of your day And I and when I know you have to run as well. So thank you again lennproaltestore.com everybody. Uh, what what edition are you going to? What's that? I said, what are different? Are you headed off? Oh, I am uh, I good luck len Good luck. We hope you I hope I get it too. That would be awkward No, I've got a I've got to download some information with uh with norah And then I'm going out to rochester this weekend for you to see my son. So go redwings should be fun. Yeah All right. It was good seeing everybody. Take care Great art today. I loved it. Thank you so much. Take care. Bye What should we call this now that they're out of the way? There's a word right out of my mouth she c a a c a t g a t g a g t a world you know when I when I Read this beforehand. I was like, I'm glad tom took this story Because I knew I would just get that wrong. It was just one of those things I knew I would get wrong You know, I was channeling jonathan colton when I did that because he has that song where he he reads all of the the dna coding out And he does such a good job Is stadia a stream come true? Hi otis. Do you want to help pick? It's all a bandwidth measuring contest Faraday cage my heart Oh, there's lots of lots of good suggestions. Well, that's what hacky breaky heart was I had to read the other one first. I don't think the blue light specials works Will google's stream come true as a as a variation on yes Stadia I kind of like will google's stream come true better because we we had some stadia Yep stuff and this is a more wide-ranging conversation. I like that one too. Yeah, I'm gonna vote for that one Vote for it I voted Will google's stream come true? All right That is the winner But there were many many good suggestions Yes, there were Intel this does not compute You're just a clever bunch. You are Like a bunch of grapes Yeah, you know clever like grapes like grapes Your yours clever is a grape You know that old thing That old chestnut that all yarn So do you subscribe to the uh Gosh, I'm not totally sure what they called. It's it's sort of the um New york time editors desk Newsletter that they launched recently. No looking right at it and I'm like it's It's called something. Um, anyway, whatever. Um, it's it's I think it's called weight hyphen And then it's you know something like oh wait, there. Here's something that's a little offbeat that you might not have heard about anyway, really well done, but um I haven't even read this entire newsletter entry, but Uh the person who wrote it I mentioned that she uh was on amtrak from los angeles to new york and it only took three days And I was think it's pretty fast. Yeah, I mean they're probably not doing a whole lot of stopping Los angeles to new york in three days. I think is faster than you would drive it unless you just went flat out I think yeah cut back on your sleep, right and yeah Well, you had to have like you get to sleep a couple people driving or something Yeah, you know, my mom and I were talking about because I was like three days That's what's kind of fun It took me three days to to drive from austin to san francisco when I moved I probably could have done it in two That's a lot of driving though. That's a lot and that was a lot of driving exactly Yeah, so three days in a train where you you can just relax, you know, there's a dining car You know, it's not murder on the right. It's fancy, but you know I of course, you know, I immediately went to we have to do a dts from the amtrak Los angeles to new york. It's perfect But I have no idea what the bandwidth situation would be. It's probably a terrible idea But we could do it, but it just sounds so fun to me I think day and then after a while, you're like, when does it get there three days? Yeah I see I like the idea of it being three days because on day two, you're still having fun I might be like, okay. I'm I'm ready to get there. I don't know if this is still the case But since most of the railways are owned by freight companies a freight gets priority So in some cases the amtrak will have to wait until that line clears Yeah, but over the course of three days, those delays don't really add up I don't think uh, because I used to ride the train in illinois Down from champagne and it's you know, and every once in a while freight train would delay you by like five minutes And then you'd you'd carry on I I know there's been some nightmare delays like that, but they're fairly unusual, I think I just always, you know, I I've always felt like I I should do a cross country trip across the u.s. I I just never have I mean, I've I've taken I've never done it all across country. Yeah, I've gone I've gone from Greenville or champagne all the way to the east coast Uh, mostly to Washington, DC I've gone austin up to new york city and I've gone austin to san francisco And I've gone san francisco to greenville In a car, but I've never done like you've never Yeah, and I know there's like a ton of different ways that you can go And and it I've always sort of been like this is something I should do I just should do it to say that I did it But that train situation sounds way more fun to me because then I just sit there Yeah, you look out the window. Maybe you do a little reading have a nap A fancy name that that that train Well, you know, like the city of new Orleans or the silver express Let's find out we'll get you there locomotive the atchison to pica and the santa fe Do they name trains that way still city of new Orleans? Did exist until maybe like just a year. I mean like they used to have them But like at this point do they just you know certain some airlines actually named like richard branson has the entire Plains have unique. Yeah, it was the lines that were that had those names not the actual engines Oh, the new york times had a nice handy link that I was not able to see because I'm not a pain New york Goes into Penn station my mom and I did a little research. Oh, yeah, Penn station's not bad. Yeah, I mean, it's that's Can't be more central Okay How much is the ticket? It depends on the day fridays are the most expensive because of course you're spending spending the weekend mom What was the most expensive? It was like 300 something Oh If you want to sleep comfortably It's almost $1,000. Okay. All right But I mean who needs to sleep comfortably everyone me Tom merit. Yeah I don't know. I I I don't even want to fly without lay flat anymore, which is impossible because I can't afford it but uh, yeah I I don't know. I mean I I uh, I remember it was a justin marbury young day because he was all excited I I've taken the trans-siberian Express from russia to china Which was eight days and it was definitely not a first class sleeper, but there were beds there was a You know Not very comfortable bed and a small pillow that you got it and like I was fine. It didn't bother me Maybe I'm misunderstanding though. I think I think on our trains sleeper means you get the not very comfortable bed in the pillow That's what you pay the thousand dollars for I could be wrong about that though. I'm like, yeah, I know I I need to I need to know more about it Yeah, right because otherwise it's like what are you doing? You're just you just sort of sit there Yeah, well that like a train you just like a three-day plane ride. Oh, we're not okay. No, that doesn't sound fun at all Let's not do that. Mm-hmm I don't think it has a special name. Um, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong But no, I think it's just it's just the route. Is it one train all the way do you have to get off? That's the other thing that always happens with Amtrak You have to change trains sometimes I don't know that would I mean, I don't know how much it would yeah, I remember when I have taken Yeah I I the long distance multi-day trains They often You would know, you know that one of the conductors would be like you got 20 minutes, you know And so you'd kind of mill around and stretch your legs, you know and get back on the train um the really weird thing about the trans-Siberian is because You're going through well you start in russia then you go through mongolia And then you go and then you're in china The tracks are at different widths. Oh, yeah Because back in the day Yeah, it was like it was like a way to make sure that you know your enemy wasn't going to use your tracks and get close to you and so When you get to the border the train goes up and then they change the wheels and then you go back down So you're like in the air for hours at a time sometimes. Uh, yeah, that's when they swap the bogies Yeah, and you can't use the bathroom and it's it was a whole thing the first time it happened I was like this is unreal. I can't believe it and then finally by the time we got to china I was like this is easy can't use the bathroom because someone's underneath the car Right and the dining car would change, you know, so it was like it was a whole new cuisine Because now we're in a different country. I don't know if this is the name of the train like the actual type of train, but I'm just looking on amtrak.com You can go on the four southwest chief Or the 48 lakeshore limited Hmm or the 30 capital limited The northeast regional They so they have different I don't know if they're different lines or different types of trains But yeah, if you want the super liner roomet That's the sleeper Crew met wow a room at Yeah, I don't know. I still think this sounds so fun. You guys don't have to come I'll let you know how it is. I'm totally into this. It's fun. Yeah. It's an adventure And then it turns into like one of those disaster There is a More than we expected So so there is a transfer on most of these Where do you transfer does it say in Chicago or washington I mean in washington you'd be practically there Yeah, the washington ones get you in pretty quick So you but they're they're it's three days, but is it really it's So you leave on a thursday get in on a sunday It's kind of a little bit more than three days really Well friday saturday sunday. Mm-hmm. Yeah What if you took a day in chicago to get a little deep dish action then hop back on the train? Yeah Dining car Right then who cares we're all through Yeah, 957 dollars to go Thursday at 6 40 p.m Transfer on sunday in chicago And then arrive in new york at 6 53 p.m On monday That's way a lot of distance to cover that last day I'm confused This is why nobody does this by the way you leave on six p.m This I because I'm getting the the roots mixed up you leave at 6 p.m. On thursday You arrive in chicago on On saturday, yeah, you then arrive in washington dc on sunday and arrive in new york sunday night So you have two change Two train changes That's 957 dollars Does not seem like these are direct They also don't seem like great deals You really it's like you want you you have to really want to do this and like and like Choose to suffer. I mean if you if you want to get the the saver reserved coach seat Then it's going to be What is it 316 dollars? yeah, well You have to sit upright the entire time. That's no fun at all. I think so Yeah, I mean come on. Well, that's not that's actually I mean, I've seen that before It sucks You don't you don't want that you want to be able to lay flat Oh boy, the people who's radio signal. I'm picking up. They are yelling I told tom and roger that my preamp is picking up some sort of a signal And only I can hear it What is it telling you to do there's not I don't know it's it's so like it's so low I can't make out anything that anyone's saying and I can't even tell what language it is But they weren't yeah, they weren't yelling before and now they're yelling We will try to decipher what talk radio show Sarah is picking up on the audio That is going to continue but video folks you'll just have to live in the mystery. Thanks everybody Have a wonderful weekend audio folks stick around. There's more to come I like a bread in our in our disc