 Okay, welcome back everyone to theCUBE's coverage of AWS re-invent 2021. I'm John Furrier, your host of theCUBE. We're here in person at a live physical event with real people. Of course, it's a hybrid event, great stuff online. Check it out on the Amazon site as well as theCUBE zone. Got great guests, talking about the cloud vision for getting talent into the marketplace in being productive and for society. Accenture always great content. Denise Reese, managing director of the South market unit lead at Accenture AABG who stands for the Accenture Adiors and Business Group and Gina Frattacangeli, who's also the managing director mid-west sales leader. Ladies, thanks for coming on. Appreciate you coming on, talking about the vision of talent. Thanks for having us. Yes, absolutely, it's a pleasure to be here. Amazon's got this audacious goal to train 29 million people. Maureen Lonergan came on yesterday who I've known for a long time, doing a great job. It's hard to get the talent in. Okay, first of all, I mean, it sounds harder than it really is, in my opinion, you know, you get some training certifications, you're up and running. So talent's a big thing. What are you guys doing? Give us the overview. Sure. Well, we're having a lot of activity at Accenture trying to get talent in. Across the entire country, we're spending a tremendous amount of effort to do that. A couple of critical things we're doing in the mid-west is bringing in and searching for different talent streams that we haven't typically done in the past. For instance, one thing that we're doing is we set up an apprentice program where we're reaching out into the market to find diverse talent who aren't coming through the critical, normal college path and bringing folks in like that. And we've got 1,200 people that we've brought in that way just in the mid-west, which has been a phenomenal new talent stream for us and supporting our inclusion and diversity. One of the other exciting things is what we call the MOM project where we're intentionally working with an organization called the MOM project to bring women back into the workplace who may have left while they're taking care of their families and helping them get certified in all the new cloud technology and getting back to work. I love how you guys are going after this whole places that not everyone's looking at because what I love about cloud is that it's a level up kind of opportunity where you don't really have to have that pedigree or that big, big school. Of course, I went to a different school so I have a little chip on my shoulder. I didn't go to MIT or the North Easter, but still good school. I mean, you could really level up from anywhere. That's right. The cloud is so great. This is like a huge thing. No, I'm surprised no one knows about it. Yeah, absolutely. I would add to that, so we've in the South, in Georgia in particular, we've just launched an initiative with the technical college system of Georgia and AWS. So it's a public-private partnership where we're actually helping to set the curriculum for those students that are going through programs through the technical colleges. It's one of the largest parts of the university system of Georgia and we're actually helping to frame the curriculum and giving folks what they need to your point. It is an opportunity to level up. It's a great way to get talent in nontraditional spaces. It helps us to achieve our inclusion and diversity roles or goals rather, but then it also allows us to really continue to fill that pipeline with folks that we may not have had access to otherwise. Is there a best practice that you see developing in the acquisition of talent or enticing people to come in? Because now she's economics. I have a, you know, Maureen was telling me that it was a person who she was unemployed and she got certified and she's making six figures. Yeah. She's like, oh my God, this is great. So that's the cloud growth. Is there a way to entice people? Is there a pattern? Is it more economic? Is it more, hey, be part of something? What's the data show? There's definitely a war for talent out there. And so in this space, we continuously hear from our clients that they can't hire enough people. So in the past, in the technology space, a lot of clients were hiring their own teams and here they just can't get the skills fast enough. So we're spending a tremendous amount of time being proactive. We started a women in cloud organization where we're proactively reaching out to the community to bring women in, let them know that we will help them get those certifications and partnering with organizations like Women in Cloud which is a global organization to create new funnels of talent. I think the women angle is great. The mom network coming out of the work, back into the workforce, because things change a lot. We were talking about how Amazon just changed over the past five years. Now this architectural approach is changing, so that's cool. Also we were involved in the women in data science at Stanford University. They have that great symposium. This is power of technical women. And it's got a global following. So the women networks that are developing are phenomenal. So that's not just in the center thing. That's outside of the center. Yeah, I think, well I think it's a combination because I think we do a really good job inside of Accenture to create opportunities for women of various ethnicities, lived experiences, to be able to come together to network internally, but then also to pour some of that talent that they have into the communities where we live and we all do business as well. So I think I'm seeing definitely a two-pronged approach there, yeah. Let me ask you a question. I don't need to put you in the spot, but I kind of will. Accenture's known as a pretty well, known as a great firm. So working at Accenture is kind of a big deal. Does that scare people? Because if you go work at Accenture, I mean, that's good pedigree right there. So like, so getting, when you're trying to get people coming into the cloud, do they get the Accenture mojo or does it work for them? And can you share your experiences on that? I've been here five years and it's been a phenomenal ride for me. I've really enjoyed the fact having a female CEO, I think, and having a CEO who's so committed to diversity on all aspects, right? Her commitment is 50% diversity parity by 2025 at every level of our organization. And that doesn't happen without really intentional efforts at the entry level and everywhere through the process to ensure that women are not only promoted but really given the support network among all of our leaders and mentorship to be successful. And it's not just words, it's something that we're really spending a lot of time doing with intention. And that word is out in the space now as women come in, they're loving it and they're recruiting their other women into the organization and diverse groups as well is what I'm seeing. Yeah, no. So I actually just started at Accenture in March. So I've been around eight months, I actually joined from AWS interestingly enough. And I can tell you from my own experience, the intentionality that Gina spoke to is it's evident at all levels. I feel like the way that I was courted to the firm was nothing short of amazing. That's another story for another day. But I feel like my being where I am, being hired in as a managing director as an experienced hire, I think my presence is a testament to the focus that Accenture has on inclusion, diversity and the equity component as well. And then also in Atlanta, we are exceptionally fortunate. We have close to 30 black and Latinx managing directors and senior managing directors out of the Atlanta office. So what we're doing there is pretty magical and it's something that I've never experienced in my 25 years. It's contagious, I hope. My magic is contagious. Yes, absolutely. And it's exciting because we're known as a management consulting business, right? So our product is the people. That's right. And so there is intention from day one as to what you want from your career and setting your career plan. So everyone is given those career counselors and the expectation that someone is thinking about your business and your personal business and what is your role today and what should your role be in two years and what skills do you need to get there, which is awesome. It's a lot of fun. It's also walking the talk too, right? I mean, Amazon here, they had 50% women on stage. I don't know if you noticed on the keynote, they was two men and two women, 50%. Of course, the United Airlines was, it's got to be three, we got to get a 51% because it's technically 51%, so it should be three to one. But yeah, like, okay, that would skew the numbers a bit. That's good. But this is real. I mean, and I've been a big proponent of software development. The customers are women too. That's 51%. So I think this whole representation thing has to be more real and more intentional. That's right. And so I want to ask you, how do you take, how would you share the best practice of making that real from the Accenture Playbook? What could people learn and what mistakes should they avoid? I think people who do want to try with it, I think they don't know what to do. Yeah. You know, I think get started, right? Do the work. You know, there's, I feel like since I started in technology, we've been having this conversation about diversity and inclusion and bringing more people into the space. And now it's time for us to just do that. And I feel like Accenture is doing that in spades. I think also, again, I've been using this word. I was on a breakout panel yesterday talking about our partnership with AWS and intentionality keeps coming up. But I think also it helps to have a CEO who's creating diversity as an imperative at the most senior levels of the firm and folks are being incentivized as a result. So you've got to put the mechanisms in place to ensure that folks understand that this is not just lip service, right? That's a great point. It's not only just the people. Yes. The mechanisms. And one of the things that I've been saying at the early on at the top of the interview was, cloud is a level, an instant level there because you can be so capable so fast. Yes, yeah. So like when you start thinking about getting people in the market, producing talent, this notion of meritocracy isn't lip service. Because if you have the capabilities and the people side lineup, then it truly can be like that. Because your game does the talking. Right. And we're doing it with intention at every level in the organization so much so that every leader, every people leader, one of their metrics is the diversity. And as we look at the promotions, making sure that that parity is there, but every person who's managing people has diversity as a metric that they're being measured on. And so I think that's really critical as well as having the people who are being the advocates and being the allies and really asking the questions as the teams are getting put together. You know, my job is to review all the deals in the Midwest and when the teams come forward, I say, great, where are the women on the team? Who are we putting? We're all talking about the diversity. So when we're going to a client meeting, where are the women who you're taking to that meeting? And if the answer is, well, there's not one who's technical yet or the most senior or the most technical, well, great, bring her on and use this as a training opportunity. We need to talk, we need to walk the walk and talk the talk and show that to our clients. I think that's really good. You guys as senior leaders, one can do that and demonstrate that. But also, you're in the field for a century. You're in front of your customers. What are you seeing out there? And what excites you about being in this industry? Yeah. I love the fact that there are so many more women in the space. I love that we're having so many women out there with intention. We've had six female CIOs do women in cloud panel discussions with us and with our team. So you made the comment earlier about cloud moving so fast. That's the most exciting thing for me. And the fact that it is moving at such a pace that no one client is going to be able to get the skills fast enough. They need companies like Accenture. They need companies like AWS to help them where we're leveraging all the knowledge from our own other clients and bringing that together so we can help them accelerate their development. What about you? Absolutely. No, I would echo that as we used to say at AWS plus one to that. But I'm really hopeful because what I'm seeing is the number of folks with my lived experience that are at senior executive levels, not only within Accenture and AWS, but in our customers. And I think going back to the point that you were making earlier regarding cloud being a level up and giving folks opportunity, folks have to be able to see a path, right? It's one thing to just get a certification and tick a box, that's great. But if you don't see a pathway to being able to utilize that in a way that allows you to move up and seeing where we are now just as a firm just really, really excites me. Every time I get onto a call and I see another strong, amazing woman, I just, I'm like, man, this is amazing. And it has, it's something that, I think it's a phenomenon that I've started to see maybe within the last like five years or so. And probably even within the last two to three years I've started to see that even more so. So that really excites me. Well, first of all, you guys are great. You're contagious, okay? Which is good, a good thing. We're good to go, yes. And I love how you brought up the whole path thing because path finders was a big part of Adam's lessons keynote and it must be really fun to see people taking the path that you guys are pioneering. And we're plowing. We're plowing and you know what else we're doing? We're lifting as we're, we're lifting as we climb. That is important. You've got to be, it's, I always say that, you know, we don't have all of these amazing opportunities and blessings just to talk about what we have. But if you're not actually bringing somebody else along and giving those opportunities to folks, then it's all for naught. You got people and the cloud. You got them people, which is, we're humans and the mechanisms. That's right. Bringing together magic. Absolutely. Congratulations. Thanks for coming on theCUBE. Thanks for having us. Okay, this is theCUBE. I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE. You're watching theCUBE, the leader in global tech coverage from re-invent 2021 AWS web services. Thanks for watching.