 So I've been using the sway wind a manager now for about three weeks and I Probably won't make a full-on review of sway I'll probably do a like how to rice sway video here here in a week or so, but other than that My conclusions of sway were basically covered in the first impressions video sway is really good It's an i3 clone basically and it just works really well if you've used i3 before you've basically used sway I will talk about the way bar situation in another video Probably when I do that whole ricing video later on So that'll be a little bit different, but other than that it's basically i3 what I wanted to talk about today is Wayland and I touched on Wayland a little bit towards the end of that first impressions video And I wanted to talk about how those thoughts have kind of permeated my experience over the last three weeks because When it all comes down to the end The reason why sway exists is because of Wayland like Otherwise, it's just i3 the only reason it was created was because they wanted i3 or something like i3 that worked on Wayland and WL roots and all this stuff all the stuff that goes into making Wayland a thing right and They've done that and they've done a good job at it and it works really well. So Wayland itself I'm ready to admit is ready for me I can't speak to whether be ready for you because it still has some Bicciliarities when it comes to Hardware support and stuff like that like it still doesn't work all that well on nvidia from what I hear I don't have an nvidia card so I can't test that but Depending on your hardware Wayland may not be ready for you It may not ever be ready at this point who knows we'll have to wait and see but the point is is that for me? Wayland is ready. I can make videos on it. I can share my Screen here if I wanted to I can do everything that I could possibly do on Xorg on Wayland and it works fine The question that I've been thinking about and I talked a little bit about this at the end of the first impressions video And I want to talk about more of it now is I still don't get why like I don't I don't get Why Wayland is here? I don't get what Wayland gives me the Xorg doesn't so there are some answers to this question That I'll probably hear about in the comments So one of them is security one of them is better multi-monitor support and one of them is lack of screen time Those are the three that I know for sure are things that are benefits over what Xorg does So let's talk about those things in terms of user facing goodness. So Security no one really cares about security I know that I'm going to hear from a ton of people in the comment section that oh I care about security when it comes to the security of your display server No, you don't know you don't I mean maybe vaguely in the way that you care about global warming or something like that You care about the security of your display server for the most part people have been using Xorg for decades happily and It has been just as insecure now as it always has been it's always been a mess and it's always been old like it's it's been around since the like 1979 or something it's been around for 40 years. It's been a long a long long time and Yeah, it's not being maintained anymore. It's not being actively developed or whatever But security at the end of the day is not a user-facing feature that most people care about Actively like maybe a worry in the back of their minds, you know, like oh my god This is insecure, but for the most part that's a worry that they don't have Front and center in their face every single day. It's just as long as their system works It doesn't matter So I know that stance on security is going to be unpopular But I think that for a lot of people that's the way they look at it If it's not a problem that is glaringly in their face They're not going to it's not going to be something that they worry about actively So security when it comes to being a benefit for Wayland not that big a deal. I'm happy that it's more secure Still don't care all that much the second one was Better multi-monitor support now when I say multi-monitor support really what you get here is better support for Monitors that have those different resolutions So X work is notorious for not doing very well when it comes to supporting monitors with different resolutions So say you have two monitors once 1080p once 4k X work is not going to handle that with any sort of grace without a ton of tweaking. It can be done I don't want to hear from people who said well, it just never going to work It works just fine as long as you know what you're doing and you do enough Tweaking like it will take some effort to get that situation to work properly And obviously gets more complicated if you start rotating your monitors and putting them in different positions and stuff that The more complex your monitor setup the harder it is to get it to work in X work. That's 100 fair In Wayland that situation is not as big of a problem because it's meant to work really well No, it's not just Wayland. It's WL roots and all this stuff. So when I say Wayland I mean the whole umbrella of things that go with Wayland for simplicity's sake. Just know that multi-monitors support for Wayland and all that stuff that goes with it is really good The thing is is that it doesn't affect me and it doesn't affect most people Like most people Use their computers on one monitor developers use their computers on multiple monitors. That's true And the developers and you know coders and geeks really nerds Are more likely to use multi monitors in different setups and different varying set setups in terms of you know display resolution and frame rate and stuff like that So it does have an effect on some small group of people But for I think the vast majority of people who use just one monitor or a laptop even It's not that big of a deal So again, I'm speaking of this from a personal perspective I really shouldn't generalize and try to put that perspective on other people because It how we use our computers is very personal to us. So I use my computer in one way You use your computer in another way. So it's going to be different for both of us So you may find that multi monitor support beneficial I do not both of my my monitors are 1080p. They're different sizes, but they both use the same resolution. So I'm one of those crazy people really like Terrible eyesight or something that I just can't tell the difference between 1080p and 4k Never have been I can't see the pixels on this. I far enough away I mean, I suppose maybe if I put my face right up Snaps, you know against the monitor, maybe I'll see them But I'd have other problems if I was having to do that. So from a personal perspective That part of Waylon doesn't apply to me So the third one was screen tearing and this one is one that I actually have benefited from So we finally got it to something that Wayland has given me and I don't I shouldn't have said given me like something that Wayland has Provided, you know, I'm some kind of benefit that I've actually been able to take advantage of And screen tearing has been a problem on xorg since xorg existed It's not a new problem whatsoever. And because that's true There are workarounds galore when it comes to fixing screen tearing on xorg So you can use vsync. You can do the whole xorg.com comp thing Changing the configuration file so that it does all the tear free stuff You know, there's multiple different workarounds to get screen tearing to go away And if you've used xorg in the past and you've had screen tearing You know those workarounds and you do those every time you install distro You do those things and wham no more screen tearing So going into Wayland, it was nice not to have to do those things I will freely admit that but the thing is is that I'm used to doing those workarounds so It's not as if it fixed it because I fixed it in xorg You fixed it worked around it, but you know what I mean So I didn't actually see the difference between xorg and Wayland in that way, right? Neither one of them have screen tearing now because I fixed it in xorg Wayland doesn't have it So it worked fine. I didn't see the benefit of it even though it's technically there So those are the three things right and Despite my rambling nature you kind of get the point right? Maybe there are More benefits out there. I'm sure there are in terms of development probably Wayland is easier for them to develop although it seems more complex to me granted. I'm not a developer So the fact that it feels like it's coming in pieces So like you have w all roots you have Wayland itself You have pipe wire and all this stuff is supposed to work together and all the stuff It feels like it's a It feels like they're recreating system d if that makes sense. So the basically System d is a umbrella for a whole bunch of different Applications that do different things. It's not only in an it system, but it does journaling and all this stuff system d is Huge and that kind of feels like what they're doing with Wayland Wayland is an umbrella term for a whole bunch of other things that work together to do many different things and That feels more complex to me than x work granted. I guess I'm not a developer. So I couldn't even tell you how x org is put together. Maybe x org has done the same way In fact, I'm pretty sure it is but you know, you kind of Get the idea that this whole situation Is Boiling down to one question that I have to ask them is like, why are we doing this to ourselves? Why have we Spent the last 10 12 13 whatever years it is developing Wayland trying to get it to go mainstream trying to get it To the point where you can switch from x org to Wayland and be perfectly happy. Why have we done that? for What I see is mediocre benefits at best from a user perspective. Like I said, there might be development advantages and there probably are that I just don't understand. So I'm sure that someone in the comments down there is typing frantically away matt These are the reasons why you should use Wayland Wayland's but Wayland's better I understand like I can I can get it but From a user perspective It just doesn't seem like there's a big enough advantage for this to change to have been necessitated Right. Why it all boils down to why and I don't get it Wayland's fine It is now to the point where I can say it's fine. It works, but So what? So does x work. So does x work. I've been using x org now since I started using linux And I've been using it in every window manager that I've ever used every desktop environment that I've ever used Also, my screen keeps turning off and that's annoying af. So just that's the reason why I keep having to type in my damn password because screen keeps turning off Neither here nor there it's not a Wayland problem. It does it on x org too. So the where was I? I was talking about, you know, I've been using what I've been using x org on everything since I started using linux and it works really well Like from a user perspective, it works really well. So The only thing that I can the only conclusion that I can reach Is that the reason why we did this was because fixing x org or fixing the perceived Security flaws or whatever it is and x org was perceived as too hard So they decided just to not do x org anymore and do something new They figured it was easier To create Wayland and do all the things that Wayland needed to be done in order to get it to work They figured it was easier to do all that work than to fix x org That's the only thing I can think of is the reason why we're doing this or why we have done this because it's done I mean, it's not done, but you get the idea like it's here the future That is Wayland has arrived a lot of distros use Wayland as default Including the largest distros in our world Ubuntu fedora arch, you know in in various instances when you want to install a desktop environment on arch You're probably going to use Wayland in some form or you at least you can You know, I mean so Wayland is here So they've done all this and the reason why I think that they've done this is because of those development advantages or the fact that x org was too broken whatever I just don't get the user-facing advantages like I don't get it. Maybe I'm just being an idiot It's possible 100 likely. In fact There are things that I just don't know that I don't see or that I don't use And that's the reason why I don't get it, you know, like I said, maybe it's the multi monitor support thing Like I don't have that problem. So Therefore it doesn't feel like a big deal to me, right? If that part does fix a problem for you It probably does feel like a big deal and therefore Wayland is awesome, right? For me personally it doesn't so therefore it feels like it's not such a big deal So there may be other things out there like that that just don't affect me Therefore I don't consider them, you know a big deal or I just don't know about them Whatever, but at the point where I'm at right now after having used this for three weeks I still just why like what What for like Why would I spend time? To switch to this now if I'm just using, you know, if I just install the distro and it's using Wayland I'm no longer going to go searching for the x org version It's at the point now where I can use Wayland perfectly happily and it's going to be fine The thing is is that I Can also be perfectly happy in x org. So if the district comes with an x org, you know de or Window manager, whatever I can be perfectly happy in that too. So now they're basically interchangeable I mean, I suppose we're all going to be moving to Wayland. We basically all are anyways It's the future and the future's here. So I like said, I don't know it just it feels Weird to me now that Wayland is usable That I can start thinking about these more deeper questions And just kind of just I don't it makes me scratch my head. I don't I don't understand why So maybe somebody in the comment section can explain to me why Wayland is It feels really weird to to ask a question like that, but why is Wayland what what does Wayland provide you Answer that in the questions below if you use Wayland, what does it give you? The x org can't I'd love to know I'm sure there's good answers. There has to be like that's the whole thing about this is that there has to be A good answer to that question And I just don't know it. I want to know it. So again in the comment section below Let me know what your thoughts are. 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