 Welcome to Modern Day Debate. Today we're going to be having a discussion on whether Islam is true. I just want to let everybody know that for this conversation, we will be doing the Q&A at the end. Just make sure that your questions are for the arguments that have been presented and not attacks against our speakers. And due to our time constraints today, we will only be reading super chats over $10. So to start us out, we have Perfect Dawa and from what I understand he's got a screen share he's going to do. So we'll kick it over to you Perfect Dawa and thank you so much for being here. Hello and thank you for this opportunity. Yes, I would share this screen. Let me see now the screen game vent. I cannot find it. I wish that I gave you the link. Let me see. Should be right at the bottom of our Zoom call there. Yes, it's all right. This stuff can be tricky. Yeah. I cannot find it again. And that was very important. So if you just go into our Zoom, can I give you the link? Yes, if you just hover your mouse over our Zoom chat, I wouldn't be able to do that. But if you just hover your mouse over the Zoom call that we're having next to the chat option, is the screen share? No, I know. I am there, but I don't see the screen that I want to share again. It's so strange that I cannot see that. Again, Zoom. Let me click again. If you just want to hit share all and then just drag over the screen you want to show the audience, I think that should be okay. Yeah, now I see it. Okay, great. Now this time I close it and open the game. Okay. Okay, share. All right. Okay, do you see that? All right. We got you. All right. We are good to go. Okay, let me see. This is a first we can watch this little video. It's a short video from somewhere in Arabia in 1948. Okay. And you see how people were living in Arabia in 1948. Okay. It's a very short video and you see the conditions and how they were, these people. And that's 1948. Okay. So now I would like to start my game, my opening just a moment. Okay. All right. Is this long true? Yes. Is this long true? If you don't have the right knowledge of size, I didn't have the right knowledge. This video was from 1948 somewhere in Arabia. Definitely these people had more knowledge than people of 1400 years ago. They definitely had heard about airplanes or cars or that the earth is round and not flat. 1400 years ago in Arabia the greatest knowledge was reading and writing, which most people including Prophet Muhammad didn't even have that knowledge. Yet that illiterate man knew that there was a beginning and there will be an end to this universe. Quran chapter 21 verse 104. The day when we will fold the universe like a folding, like the folding of a written sheet for the records, as we began the first creation, so we shall do it all over again. That is a promise binding upon us. Indeed we will do it. In this verse, Prophet Muhammad talks not only that there was a beginning and there will be an end, but even how the world will end as there are three possible ways, the big chill, the big rip and the big crunch. From these three possible ways he says the world will end through the big crunch. When he says we will fold the universe like a folding, like a folding of a written sheet, so we shall do it all over again. In the big crunch theory the world will be created again and again and again. Quran chapter 21 verse 30. Have those who are copper not considered that the universe and the earth were a joint entity and we separated them and made from water every living thing. Then will they not believe? Today we know that the universe was a joint entity and the big bank separated everything, but Prophet Muhammad told us this 1400 years ago and he even told us that every living creature on earth has been created for water, something that we didn't know in the past. There are many other verses that are scientifically accurate and I will read them if we get time. Even talking about the universe for an illiterate man 1400 years ago was out of question and being so correct is absolutely amazing and couldn't definitely not be from him but a higher power. There are only three possibilities that why prophets claim to have contact with God. Either they were psychopaths or charlatans or they were really prophets of God. No knowledgeable person could ever say they were psychopaths or charlatans because such people never put their lives in danger to save people and teach them morality and good deeds. Quran chapter 16 verse 90. Indeed Allah orders justice and good conduct and giving to relatives and forbids immorality and bad conduct and oppression. He admonishes you that perhaps you will be reminded. The prophets changed our world to a much better world. Teachings of Jesus, peace be upon him like love one another stopped Greeks and Romans from crucifying people or slaughtering gladiators in the stadiums. How can someone believe that he was a liar? Moses, peace be upon him was the one who left the palace to save hundreds of thousands of slaves from frowns or oppression. Muhammad, peace be upon him saved millions of infant girls from being buried alive and so many other great changes in our world by Abrahamic religions. Prophet Zaratus three main teachings didn't allow Persian empire practicing the same barbaric practices by Greeks and Romans which I mentioned. There are many more facts that proves Abrahamic religions being true religions of God. As a former atheist I have become a much better person than I was. For example before converting to Islam I believed in capital punishment for murderers but Islam put me that we are all sinners and we have no right to judge people and the best judge is only God. All we can do is rehabilitate them and get rid of the source of the problems that guides people to bad deeds. I literally Allah advised his governor of Egypt Malik the worst people for you must be those who try to reveal people's mistakes and sins because people make mistakes and sins and the governor is the one who must cover them. Do not try to find people's mistakes and because you your duty is to fix the problems that leads people to bad deeds and it is God's right to judge people not yours. Cover people's mistakes and sins as much as you can so that God covers yours. Quran chapter 42 verse 40 and the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it but whoever pardons and makes reconciliation his reward is due from Allah. Indeed he does not like wrong doers. Chapter 42 verse 43 and whoever is patient and forgives indeed that is of the matters requiring determination. Chapter 23 verse 96 oh Muhammad repel evil in the best manner we are well aware of all they say about you. Chapter 15 verse 85 indeed the hour is approaching so pardon those who wronged you with most graceful pardon without revenge prophet Muhammad said you do not do evil to those who do evil to you but you deal with them with forgiveness and kindness. He also said the pleasure you get in forgiveness you never get in revenge in a time when people didn't even have mercy on their own daughters and buried them alive such statements could only come from students of the most merciful and forgiving God. Thank you that was my opening. Hi thanks so much for having me I'm glad to be here hello to Perfect Dawa and everybody who's watching it's weird another midday debate which isn't normal for me. I know we're not having a rebuttal period so I just want to make quick notes at the beginning of my opening statement which is it seems to me that his entire case is that Muhammad knew things when he didn't know them that he couldn't have known without God which hasn't been demonstrated that he's personally a better person with regard to capital punishment after becoming a Muslim. I'm thrilled and happy but that doesn't tell us anything at all about whether or not Islam is true. Sites a bunch of verses that encourage good things like peace and pardoning and forgiveness and kindness and saying that those things could only come from God well that which can be asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence and no it's not just the case that can only come from God. So the issue here is is Islam true and for me that means does it comport with reality is it real does it manifest in reality in detectable ways the actual tenets of of Islam and because of that I specifically asked for what would be what would be defended. I'm not eliminating the supernatural here I'm not saying that if you say something that's supernatural we just get to disregard it but nothing supernatural has been demonstrated to be real and Islam like other religions has at its foundation an appeal to supernatural. There are plenty of things that people believe to be true but believing it to be true is irrelevant to whether or not you can demonstrate to be true whether or not it's detectable in principle like I can't afford to go to Antarctica in order to prove that Antarctica exists but in principle I could verify it and so that that verification in principle is the cornerstone of determining whether or not we get to call something real or true. If it can only be detected by an individual who already believes or a group and can't be shown to be true to anybody else we don't get to say it's true I mean you can demonstrate color and sight to blind people blind people can be rationally justified that other people are capable of seeing and distinguishing between colors and objects and other things like that even if they can't experience sight or colored sight themselves it can be proven rationally to exist excuse me. People believe in ghosts and fairies and elves and dragons and countless other things that are not real or true in any demonstrable sense that you believe it isn't relevant that millions believe it isn't relevant that it changes you and makes you a better person in your view isn't relevant none of that is confirmation of the truth of the propositions demonstrable evidence for the proposition is the only path to truth that we have here at our opportunity or at today. Islam specifically I asked what will we be defending and I was told that it was the last message of God and there will be no more message or messengers after the Prophet Muhammad. Number two was that Islam cannot be a man-made religion and number three is that the Quran is infallible. On the claim that this is the last message or messenger of God which actually Dawah didn't address at all in there there was not a statement of that there was no defense of that so we can largely disregard that which is good because I don't know how you could prove that it's a message from a messenger of God in the first place let alone I don't know how you could show that it's never going to happen again that's like saying the US will never have an openly atheistic president you're unlikely to be proven wrong in your lifetime so it's kind of a safe thing to say but to say to make your your evidence for a proposition about something in the future I don't know how you do that and the assertion that it can't be man-made we only got a little couple of assertions in there about there's no way that someone could have known this well you haven't demonstrated that someone knew that just because they said something and it's been interpreted in a certain way it doesn't tell you what they actually understood or knew to be true so which part of the Quran could not be written by a human how do you determine that it couldn't be written by a human I understand people assert it all the time there's no way in a literate man 1400 years ago could do this you can poison the well by showing what life was like in 1948 but all you're doing there is cherry picking evidence because there was life that didn't look like that in 1948 including in Islamic countries but all that does is show that they didn't make the progress which you would think as people who have enlightened scientific information from God they should be leading the charge but they don't on the notion of whether or not the Quran is infallible that to me would suggest perfect and so the question becomes then is it scientifically perfect my contention is that Muhammad would not get a passing grade in any modern science course the Quran is undeniably geocentric in its view there's a possibility of interpreting it as a flat earth and it has been interpreted that way and then it's difficult to find a way to pray facing Mecca on a globe even if you were near the antipode it starts getting confusing the Quran talks about seven heavens and seven earths that's not real that's not true the moon being split into that's not real that's not true that mountains are used to peg down the earth to prevent it from shaking that's not real that's not true that's not how mountains are formed that's not what they're for they rise up from plates going on any other plates notions about the sun and the moon and what's a lamp and which one is providing its own light whether or not meteors or stars they're not whether or not they're missiles for the devils they're not the notion that the sky is a ceiling that we even in is is the verses that he cited which incidentally are some of the ones that I took notes on 21 30 talks about the heavens and earth joined together before they were cloven asunder and that we made water or ever living thing from water but that's not the fact that living things are made with water and there is water doesn't mean they're made from water nor is it demonstrate any understanding of the reality of biology in 25 45 46 he talks about god making the shadows from the sun get longer and that's not an active process that's just physics and that god could make them stationary well prove it let's see god make them stationary because that's an assertion that hasn't been demonstrated the model of day and night is okay and works at the equator or near the equator where these stories originated but doesn't work near the poles where there are long periods of night and it's not equally night and equally day semen doesn't come from between the backbone and the ribs the embryo isn't formed merely from semen humans don't form from a clot of blood the bones don't form before the flesh there are more than four types of cattle even if we take the understanding of cattle to be those specific types of animals that are listed like sheep goats oxens and camels what about reindeer and other animals that were used in other parts of the world in the same role that cattle were in sir six 125 it talks about the breast being close and constricted as if they had to climb up to the skies but the opposite is actually true and I find it funny that this is about a lot heaping the penalty on those who refuse to believe in the penalty for me is evidently a wide open expanded chest and a rocky mountain high because that's what actually happens when you get up to higher altitudes your chest doesn't become constricted your chest actually expands the oxygen becomes thinner for sure but the way it's perceived by a human is going to be different from the way it should be understood by a god and so if this is all from god with perfect explanation then it should not be confusing and it shouldn't get anything wrong the Quran states that all organisms come in pairs that's simply false there are multiple species of reptiles that reproduce parthenogenically in 1679 it talks about the birds poised in the midst of the sky held up by nothing but Allah which is a demonstration of ignorance of physics and aerodynamics there's a claim that waters don't mix but they do they always have volumes of differing salinity do eventually homogenize just because you can see the delineation doesn't mean they never mix that an author might be ignorant of these things is not a surprise but that Allah could be ignorant of this betrays that the book is the work of a flawed man and not the work of a god a god could have done so much better with perfect accuracy explanations and no confusion is it also perfect on morality where in suraf or in a couple of places if you can't marry a free believing woman you should marry a servant which means it's kind of okay with slavery but you only get to punish them half as much and in 434 if men are in charge of women men are made to be in charge of women and if your woman is disobedient then you punish them by beating them and refusing to have sex with them I don't find that to be a very morally sound it's good to let your slaves go free according to the Quran but it's also good for retaliation to if one of your slaves is killed to kill one of theirs male for male female for female believer non-believer etc the book isn't scientifically accurate or useful and definitely not without flu and some people are going to be offended if they're not already in just a moment and I see no reason to avoid offense when we're talking about what the truth is it it also isn't without flaws on morality especially as there are countless muslim apologists trying to find a way to make it seem acceptable for a grown man to marry a six-year-old and consummated at nine and to use that man as the messenger the foundation the final messenger for all of this demonstrates a problem with the god model oh no matt brought up something awful at the last minute no matt brought up something true the Quran can be the work of men and seems entirely be it can be infallible and the work of god if it can't be infallible in the work of god if it's wrong on science and morality and the very notion of a lot choosing as the foundational final prophet someone who if this happened today would be imprisoned for statutory rape and other charges against a minor places that gods ethics and intelligence in question sitcoms in my life looking back to 70s and 80s are often problematic in hindsight but if god wrote a sitcom it would be perfect you would never look back at and go oh that was a little cringy and yet that's exactly what's happened with the islam it hasn't aged well and therefore islam simply isn't true all right thank you so much matt for that opening uh topic there and uh yeah i see so many of the live chats that if uh i was muted again for this show that they would lose it and i'm half tempted to put myself on you just uh just to test that out i'm kidding i'm kidding so uh just to let you all know uh right now both of our guests are linked in the description and after 24 hours of us having this debate we will be uploading this to our podcast forums so uh check out your favorite podcast app for these debates on the go they're all ad-free uh we're going to kick it open into an open discussion now so uh we'll let da wa open up uh where matt just finished off there and uh pick the floor open to you guys uh for your discussion so that matter yeah all right thank you thank you matt uh you were of course yes uh mentioning a lot of things that uh we definitely don't wish to talk about everything but uh we can talk about for example beating wives and child marriage uh i'm a muslim that absolutely do not believe in such a things okay i don't believe that prophet muhammad peace be upon him married a child because uh uh i don't believe that even prophet muhammad split the moon uh because the the same person who says that prophet muhammad split the moon which is a big lie uh the the same person says that prophet muhammad married a child as well so i don't believe in neither of them because uh he was a liar and he was uh saying a lot of lies about prophet muhammad peace be upon him so i i appreciate i appreciate would you at least agree that the bulk of muslim scholars do hold that muhammad married aisha at six and consummated no yes yes i have said it yes that's fine it's not you then i don't want to make you defend something you don't believe exactly yes yeah i just have to say that yeah matt uh because uh my parents put me in school to become uh you know to get educated to feed my children later become a doctor or engineer or whatever their parents were putting them in a madrasa to become a scholar to feed their families okay so unfortunately in all religion these people use religion as a you know business so uh they don't put their business in danger go against the mainstream uh because you know because they don't simply believe i know priests in sweden who go to church and they preach but they don't believe in god so so uh uh such people don't care about the religion they don't believe in it i get it yes yes so any anyway about the last message one that why uh there will be no message anymore is that matt there is uh in our world god tried to guide us from this animal life we are living in from this jungle that guide us to all bad deeds he tried to guide us to a human world a world where we share everything with each other we love one another so the message uh prophet muhammad brought was that message that guide us to that world and i don't think that there will be another messenger to come and say give the same message so when uh the messenger there are two two ways for humanity to live in this jungle with all these problems that the with the rule uh rules of this jungle that the strongest one get the most the weakest one get the least or nothing and everybody kill each other to become richer and richer it is one way that this is the jungle the animal world that uh is designed for animals not for humans and that human world so there are two possible ways for humanity and islam has come to guide us that's why it is the last messenger of god has come to guide us to that world a world where we don't need weapons we don't need war we just share everything with each other and we love one another so that's why there will be no new messengers and that's why it hasn't come yet today still and about those yes yes so you think that there won't be another messenger because there wouldn't be any reason for another messenger to come and deliver the same message exactly okay cool i just want to make sure i'm getting this correct yes however can you demonstrate as a fact that there won't be a new messenger with a new message okay because as i said god's aim was only one to guide us to live to a human world get us out of this jungle he want us to you know he created us like animals but he gave us this ability to understand so he did that he communicate with us and teach us that we shouldn't live like animals of the jungle i don't see how this is an answer to my question it's a restatement that you believe that of what god's purpose is i don't know how you know what god's purpose is or anything else but the question that i asked is can you demonstrate that there won't be another messenger with a different message because i think you'd probably agree okay christians think that jesus was god's son and that he was that the that muhammad is not a real prophet of of god yes and so they think that jesus delivered the last message you think muhammad delivered the last message and what i'm saying is if you're going to sit here and defend the notion that there will not be another messenger you can't defend that by simply saying i don't think there's going to be another messenger you have to show how you know there's not going to be another messenger yes yes okay uh that's uh of course uh is they have to explain as well that why god sent us you know why god created us on this planet okay mostly uh most people believe that god created us here that we worship him and i believe that it is not about that god created us here that he guide us he changes from animal that selfish creature that is just thinking about himself and he's ready to kill millions of people for his own interest okay he tried to change that that animal to something that he's not in nature we are not human in nature okay we are animal in nature we all are born like animals but some live like human and die like humans some live like animal and die like animals okay so god tried to uh guide us to a world to a system or a way that we live and die like animals okay sorry like human beings okay and he in this uh system that we are living in this jungle it is difficult to live like human beings because this system as ali radiola i read for you he said to his governor to fix the problems that lead people to bad deeds not punishing people okay so that's why i'm against punishment because there is a system that guide people to bad deeds okay so we have to get rid of this system and prophet muhammad brought the final message how to get rid of this system this satan that satanic system yes so my question was can you prove that there won't be another messenger and so far in your response you've talked about things like you say most people believe but i believe this you know okay well it doesn't matter it doesn't matter hang on yes it doesn't matter what most people believe and the fact that you believe it is already there i'm asking why do you believe it okay do you understand that in making in in doing a debate when you make your statement of what your case is the next position the next thing you have to do is explain why nothing you've just said for the last few minutes in responding to that has anything to do with why we should be convinced that there won't be another messenger all right instead instead you added more stuff to it which now i'm gonna have a questions about the more stuff so do you have a way to demonstrate that there won't be another messenger all right yes i look matt there are i said there are two ways okay if we want to live in this jungle okay like like animals then we don't need messengers we don't need religion because this jungle is run by our nature okay in this jungle the strongest one get the most the weakest one get the least okay it's it is running by our nature animal nature but if we want to live like human beings in a peaceful world a world that not no bad this happens okay we need an ideology okay because that world is designed for you know for humans okay which is not in our nature and to come to that world okay we need a perfect ideology that has thought about everything and i say all these tools all these guidance are in Quran and i can of course explain what is that guidance if someone else if some another religion says that no it is in Christianity as well okay Christianity can guide us to that war okay so i can give you an example now no sir no sir i don't need another example i need you to answer the question every time i ask you the question you go off on a tangent about something else let's back up a little bit okay okay you said that god created us as animals and that being human isn't in our nature correct yes it's not in our nature what what what do you mean by being human and how do you know that god created us and created us as animals without humanity in our nature okay humanity is not a form humanity is the knowledge okay animal is not a form either it's a way of life humanity is also a way of life and we know that we are in nature everybody know i i think you also believe that in nature we are animals okay we are like all other animals and we the only thing is that we we change okay by our you know our teachings what we learn in our society that one shape us so when the humanity is not a form okay then god tried to guide us teach us how to live to be a human being okay by teaching us those verses that i read for you to forgive to love one another and so on and as i said it is not i'm going to tell you that we are living in a city full with fire with corruption killings and so on and there is a utopia okay that we can live there beautifully okay so any anyone any religion or whatever can take us to that utopia okay that's the religion that i believe okay that it's from god okay i don't know that none of this matters none of this matters you're saying that there's a utopia out there and the religion that points to the utopia you prefer is the one you're going to follow that has nothing to do with whether or not it's true i'm not even convinced that we have any way of getting to whether it's true let me ask you this okay is a sense of fairness part of humanity sorry a sense of fairness is that part of human humanity or is that animal nature uh that's an animal i mean fairness uh can you give me an example what what do you mean with fairness like saying um being upset that somebody else got paid more than you did or got paid better than you did and saying that's not fair is that part of animal nature or human nature selfishness is a part of animal nature okay that's not what i asked yes to being selfish that's not what i asked all right i asked about i asked about fairness and you responded with selfishness i've asked about why you believe stuff and you just tell me more about what you believe all right okay let me tell you that i don't know uh exactly uh i mean i've been thinking about this question that fairness is a part of you know animal nature because we know what animal uh animals are they are selfish okay they just want they just think about themselves okay yes that that's what they are and human i know yes you know if you're just going to go off and lecture about what animals are we can't even get to where we can determine that we're first of all i don't think we're distinct from that well i think we are animals but i also i also recognize that there are things about humans capacities for um cognitive abilities and uh sense of justice and to explore ideas it far exceeds many of the other animals but your assertion is that god created us as animals without human nature how do you know that okay because i know that i believe that a human is not in nature human is not a four what you believe isn't relevant i want to know how you know i did this at the beginning of my opening i've tried to explain this like five times okay and now i'm saying how do you know that god created us as animals without human without um without humanity uh not not what you know how do you know that because i had just i mean it's very difficult to to explain that i i have you're here to do a debate you're literally here to explain this what good does it do to say how difficult it is to explain why would you hold positions challenge me to a debate and then for every question i ask it's either a complete deflection into something else or a restatement of what you believe how do you know how can anyone know that god created us as animals without humanity as our nature that's the question okay do you believe that we are human do do you believe you because i have to ask you a question do you believe that we are human yes you believe human yes okay yes all right and that's that's uh different uh believe that i don't believe that we are human i don't believe human is human is uh a form i believe human is a way of life i don't believe that animal is a form either i believe how do i keep getting in these debates now you're saying you and i are not humans right no i'll say that we are not humans okay so you're saying that islam is truth but you and i are not humans and i'm expected to sit here and take this seriously okay all right the thing is that i said that it is different opinion that you uh you you think that humanity is a is a form okay but i believe human would you agree would you agree that the overwhelming majority of scientific experts would describe us both as human beings no they they describe us as man not human okay no sir are you saying that if i went out and interviewed most of the scientists on the planet okay and and ask them our perfect dawa and myself are we human would their answer be yes or no okay i don't know what their answer will be oh bullshit okay no i just say that we are we are man we are not human we are man okay we are okay continue on with whatever you feel like preaching about you've managed to acquire my time and waste it now we're going to waste everybody else's time too okay no all right that's let's move into let's move into our secondary topic here that we had for the debate we kind of focused a bit there on the last message of islam there i think we we kind of hammered that one a bit so if we can move into the topic of islam cannot be a man made religion and i'll kick it over to you perfect dawa to explain that sentiment there all right yes as i said that the the source of all problems is the the jungle that we are living in and prophet Muhammad peace be upon him's message was to guide us out of this jungle to a world without all bad deeds everything will be beautiful we will live without any wars any corruption any bad deeds okay and that cannot be from that cannot be from an illiterate man 1400 years ago at least i cannot believe that i don't think any Russian of person can believe that that illiterate man 1400 years ago could guide us to such a word and he knew that one day war everyone will be righteous and the world the the planet will be ruled by righteous people and i see when i look at the history i see that we are really towards that that you know beautiful war when i look at for example scandinavia or europe in the past how they were and now how these countries are i see that we are developing and one day we really reached to that beautiful war that prophet Muhammad promised us 1400 years ago that Allah says that it is a promise from him that one day the righteous servant of Allah will rule and inherit the planet okay so you just stated a bunch of opinions none of which address the actual topic that we were redirected to okay because you want to sorry james you want to say something oh sorry my name is ryan sorry i just say the the topic that we're moving into is islam cannot be a man made religion so if we could focus on that point of how it could not have been made by a man uh and what what that i mean yes yes yes okay fruitful yes yes i i read some verses of course matt brought other verses that need also explanation but i brought verses beginning that you know as a former atheist when i realized that the pagans they believe in reincarnation and they say that the reincarnation is forever i started to think myself that how could people of thousands of years ago say that there will be an end to this universe which is in abohamic religion that only that thing changed me to start to think that these people of the past couldn't absolutely couldn't know that there will be an end to this universe okay and i brought other verses that says that not only that there was a beginning to this universe there will be an end to this universe that how the world will end and there are other of course verses of coran about parallel universes that you said no seven heaven doesn't exist of course now today the the science scientists say that they believe in a parallel universe and coran mentioned that as seven heavens okay and there are other verses but the reality is that the most important is that that that illiterate man in that you know time that people were buried their their daughters alive he brought us all these beautiful verses of coran that teach us how to forgive you know how to live and then try to solve our problems and i mentioned that so many problems abohamic religion solved from humanity including islam and these people absolutely could never be you know ordinary people because in those times people were just not right righteous enough to to teach us such a things you know so it is of course i don't have a miracle to show matt now okay to show him that yes this miracle shows that you know god exists or prophet muhammad was a prophet of god uh only my my the verses of coran and some facts okay that of course it is he definitely he's here to deny those facts even if they are they are true but uh yes i i have given did you just suggest that i'm here to merely deny facts even if they're true after you spewed nothing but a parade of opinion that wasn't relevant to the question you were asked is that what you did i did try to paint this as if i'm going to deny true facts okay i told you that i gave you those verses did you just paint this as if i'm here to deny true facts okay i said that you are here just to deny them yes yeah why would you do that i've sat here and asked questions which you have repeatedly avoided to the point where everybody is mocking this at this point and it feels like a waste of time you were asked how you can demonstrate that the Quran cannot be man made and you went in with something that said least the beginnings of a case which is hey it appears that muhammad wrote things that he couldn't have known the problem is that you decided to massage the language about seven heavens to suggest that science is confirming this with the multiverse which by the way is still theoretical and has nothing to do with the poetic archaic concepts of seven heavens and seven earths with a firmament with different layers where the stars are in them at different layers um it denies the fundamental facts that do exist within the Quran which are not supported by the science but then you decide to poison the well by suggesting that i'm just going to sit here and deny reality i would put it to a vote of the entire world as to which one of us has denied reality during this debate so far so let's stop with making accusations about how matt's just going to show up and and and deny facts i've asked questions your position here is to defend the notion that the Quran is infallible it can't be man made and that this was the last message last messenger and what what evidence have you presented for any of that okay the entire Quran i said that the how the abramic the entire Quran can't be proof that the Quran isn't man made okay look i said that all these messengers of god they change all the humanities uh you know behavior the history of mankind okay i gave even uh the uh example of greeks and romans the fact that people change after reading beliefs and participating in religions doesn't doesn't do anything to testify to the truth of the religion would you agree with me that people change after they convert to christianity yes people change yes does that mean that christianity is true yes christianity is true of course okay would you believe that would you agree that people change after converting to hinduism and scientology uh i don't know how they change because now now you're just being so obvious no because i haven't seen are you see do you think that people who convert to scientology don't change their views okay they change their views yes do they does does their life change to where they feel have you seen tom cruise does com crews look pretty happy now these are scientologists okay but uh i mean one person you i'm does that mean that scientology is true i'm showing the history of mankind does it mean that scientology is true no no then it doesn't mean that christianity or islam is true the fact that someone changes their psychologically changes their preferences their desires their motivations that doesn't prove that the doctrine that convinced them to change is true does it okay uh look i say that the history okay the history shows i'm sorry that logic is difficult but the fact of the matter is you just debunked yourself okay because the mere fact that someone believes something is enough to cause them to take action which means they can change but the mere fact that someone believes something isn't sufficient to conclude that it's true right okay all right yes no that that's that but i say that thousands of years ago these people when they came and they put their lives to change humanities you know destiny they were they were either liars when they said that they are prophets of god okay i said it from beginning or they were really prophets of god and such a people with this uh you know great job they wouldn't be liars okay and i said that after all uh coran corani look not let me tell you this corani is not about yes corani is not about that you have to believe in you know in existence of god that it is true corani is about that you follow those beautiful verses of coran commands of coran and be a good human being okay and try to create a better world for other people okay i'm not here to you know uh am i a good person i don't know your personal do you think i can be a good person if i'm not a muslim yes definitely i i i believe so i can be i can be a good person even if i'm not a muslim can i be actively working to make the world a better place yes i i mean that is that also true if i'm actively working in opposition to islam uh dependent uh i mean that if you act in opposition of islam uh those verses that teaches you to do good deeds okay you cannot so you're talking about the verses that you're talking about not the other verses i mean the other verses that you uh yes you say that no coran is not from god because this verse about universe is not true that's no problem yeah the only thing is that it's a problem if you if you've said that the coran is infallible are you now acknowledging that the coran is fallible no i'm saying that it is no problem that you uh there is no problem in islam that you reject them okay the problem is that if you reject the the teachings of coran that teaches you to to be a good person to to uh be just to be uh forgiving okay so so you're only you're only worried about the verses of the coran what's verses of the coran do you think are false there is no false verses in coran no okay so why are you saying that i can be good as long as i i'm only opposing certain verses in the coran why wouldn't it be you can only be a good person if you hold to every verse in the coran because uh i mean those verses that um yeah tells you for example about uh yeah universe it is uh doesn't change you to be a good person or bad person well all right no no i'm not that's not the thing that's that's the thing is which forms first bones or flesh i'm not a scientist so so you don't know no i don't know what which one does the coran say form first look i i'm not a scientist so i didn't ask you i didn't ask you if you're a scientist and you're not relevant you're supposed to be sitting here defending an infallible coran what does the coran say forms first bones or flesh okay i have seen that uh scientists uh they have been talking about that that verse and they have explained it uh no scientists aren't paying any attention to it no what does the coran say come forms first i i don't remember exactly wow maybe you should go study it since you're the one that's here defending it is infallible yes how many types of cattle are there according to the coran i haven't memorized all verses of coran i say okay do you know how many how many how many cattle types there are according to the coran no i i say i haven't memorized or i haven't uh what is it okay does the coran does the coran say that all organisms were created in pairs i don't remember that you don't remember that either no um look yes uh it's it's really convenient how the guy who is here to say that the coran is infallible doesn't remember the specifics of what what the coran says on these things well the coran does say that all organisms were created in pairs but that's not true no isn't that doesn't that mean that that verse is wrong no no look uh i i have to say that uh i have to say that certain verses of coran have been wrongly interpreted okay no no no no that's not a matter of wrong interpretation don't we have the original what's it saying the original no the the original is there and people say even about uh you know different verses uh like uh kaffir okay they translated as disbelievers which is not disbeliever it's a wrongly interpreted in in coran okay so so coran does it say i want to make sure you're in a position here where you are not siding with most muslim scholars on whether not uh muhammad married a six-year-old and consummated at nine um you are not siding with most scientists on whether or not you and i are human beings you are saying that the coran is infallible and then when i bring up the verses that might show that there's a problem with it you don't remember those verses i tell you what let's go with whether or not the coran says all organisms are created in pairs you go look it up i'll wait all right i will i would check it yes i'll go look it up now and and and i'll wait i showed up to debate this now not to talk to you in a month when you find out you're wrong all right do you remember the verse because i i don't remember the verse oh sure let me uh let me google this yes coran all you guys here i get that stuff up oh just give me one second here gotta do a little bit of fun here so if you like what you're hearing here matt's actually going to be back uh to debate uh islam again with a saint and we're gonna put the promo right over there so we have a pledge for one dollar in the crowd fund in the link below as for this debate that's coming up for debate con so uh yeah we'll let these gentlemen uh sort out what they got there and get the verses up and we'll continue on with the discussion did you find it no you were looking for it oh i thought we were both looking for it but yeah i think it's it may be 51 49 i'm checking right now while you are checking that i would like to say about bty okay or you found it yes 51 49 of everything we've created pairs that you may receive instruction what's it supposed to say in the correct interpretation it's also in 36 36 51 49 and also 36 36 glory to Allah who created in pairs all things that the earth produces as well as their own humankind and other things of which they have no knowledge so that's 36 36 what should that say instead of all things were created in pairs all right uh i see here okay let's see i have to make a research on that okay okay because because i have never been pondering on this okay i'll make a research on that and sure i'm happy to move on yes i will go live every saturdays on my channel and okay i'm not here to advertise your channel what's the next actual piece of evidence that you know of and are willing to defend with regard to the propositions sorry no i'm not about advertising i said that i will go live for those who are listening now if they would like to tomorrow night i'll go live and then i will say about these words okay i have to find out with other people and read the the interpretation different interpretation and then i will let you know about beating why okay you were saying uh coran says beating why no absolutely coran doesn't say beat your wife it says leave them after the third uh that the third option is to leave them not to beat them because next i will read for you what what what you're saying it doesn't say that no it doesn't absolutely says that because what does it say in surah 4 verse 34 4 yeah it says that it says that it's you just said it doesn't say that and now you're saying it says that no i just let's let's read let's read 4 34 math let i say it says that men are providers of women by what Allah has given one over the others and what they spend from their wealth so righteous women spend from their wealth uh so righteous men women are uh devotely guarding in the husband's absent and Allah would have them guard but those wives from whom you fear are arrogance first advise them uh then if they persist forsake them in bed and finally leave them but if they change their ways seek no means against them surely Allah is high uh the highest uh and the greatest next verse also says that and in case you fear split between the two this is after he left okay then send forth a judge from his family and a judge from her family in case they both are willing to act righteously both Allah will cause them to reach an agreement between them surely Allah is all knowing all ever so strange that you're verse 34 um says um to to deny them sex and then leave them and every sex is not sex separate yeah uh don't share your bed with them okay that's what that means i'm sorry that you don't understand it but don't share it let me finish my thought all right yeah don't share a bed with them to ban on them from the bed is the same thing as denying them sex but literally your verse then says to leave them and every single version that i go look up says to strike them or scourge them why do you have a version of the Quran that is softer than the one that i find on everyone including like Brandeis university um why does yours say leave them when all of these others here's al-Quran info um that's about property and marriage rights advise them keep them away from bed and as a last resort beat them i'm literally looking looking at it i can i here let me share my screen because this is um this is worthwhile here can you go to uh is islam awaken i don't know i i'm just going to share my screen i know if you think if you think it's the wrong one that's on you yes yes so you can see this now right yes yes and so here's the third four here it is written in arabic and the translation why is this translated wrong because uh they have translated it's you cannot translate certain verses of Quran you have to interpret them okay these are unspecific verses of Quran okay that Quran says only Allah and those firm in knowledge understand the i'm saying why why is this wrongly translated on a public website representing the Quran with the words beat them if that's wrong yes i tell you that they translated they shouldn't translate it they should interpret it okay because the strike is chapter 66 verse sorry uh let me find a strike has been used in chapter 18 verse 11 strike is covered so we cast a cover of sleep over their ears within the cave okay i just say the verses chapter 20 verse 77 strike is search chapter 4 verse 101 strike is travel chapter 43 verse five strike is ignore okay so when a word has been used in different meaning in Quran then you have to interpret it you cannot translate it chapters 33 verse 28 to 31 uh Allah talks about prophet Muhammad and his wife and in none of them Allah says beat your wives okay and chapter 60 verse wife to 1 to 5 also Allah talks about prophet's wife and Allah doesn't say a single word to his prophet to beat your wives and there are chapter 65 verse 6 let the women who are undergoing waiting period they are in divorce okay live in the same manner as you live yourself in accordance with your means and do not harass them with the view to making their lives a misery and if they happen to be with child spend freely on them until they deliver their burden okay Allah is this is a woman that you have divorced and you don't want to see her but three months he has to she has to live with you in such a manner so such a god doesn't allow you to beat your wife okay yeah do you know something yeah you know what just happened recently here on January 6th um after um the election some people decided to storm the capital and um and they what they did was illegal and violent and destructive and recently on Fox news um somebody added together highlights from that clip to make it look like it was a nice peaceful event that's exactly what you're doing you're going out to all the other verses that you want to interpret as if it's opposed to beating wives in order to ignore the verse that literally says to do it now if you want to say it's a wrong translation stop debating me go take it up with the people who are posting those websites because they're the ones that are making you look foolish unless you're doing it yourself now yes understand maps uh James knows very well and everybody else know that i am uh trying to fight them and they they have been blocking me and have asked many times that i want to debate such a people like i'm sorry that you're the outlier but that the fact that you're the outlier that doesn't do anything to show that you're right and maybe you wouldn't be the outlier if you had any capacity to ever demonstrate that you're right but all you come with is your opinion and they're wrong and i just i disagree with the majority of muslims on this and i disagree with the majority of scientists on this and i don't know what this says and i don't know what this says and this definitely says beat them in arabic but that's not what it means because you have to interpret it differently this is a train wreck of a defense of islam all right can i read please this chapter three verse seven it says whatever you want yes it is this is you have to read Quran through this chapter verse okay chapter three verse seven it is he who has sent down to you oh muhammad the book in it are verses that are precise they are the foundation of the book and others unspecific as for those whose heart is corrupted they will follow that of it which is unspecific desiring to create confusion and their own interpretation and no one knows it's true interpretation except allah and though cool if no one knows the true translation it and true explanation except a law then you don't know correct no math correct no math no no math look it says that verse does that verse say that nobody knows except a law right that's what that's why you should wait you should wait would you know no i'm not waiting is that what the verse says no it says the verse does not say that no one knows except a law no look it said no one knows it's true interpretation except allah and those and those filming knowledge yes and those filming knowledge so there are those whose filming knowledge they also know and here we go yes so how do you tell how do you tell how do you tell who those people are okay yes okay look allah and says and they say we believe in it all of it is from our lord and no one will be reminded except those of understanding so not you okay no not you because you're not saying all of it is of the lord you're saying that people have gotten it translated wrong no i say all of them are from our lord okay but i don't say that they those who are translated they have translated they haven't interpreted because they are not knowledgeable people some of them are corrupted okay as koran says how do you tell the difference yes the difference is that koran said that the precise verses are the foundation of koran so the precise verses that's not answered to my question if two people interpret the koran differently how do you tell which one's got it right okay because you have to put these verses beside each other which i read that's not an answer okay how do what what is the mechanism by which you can show okay which translation is correct and which translation is incorrect okay look uh koran says those film in knowledge how they know that they are not calling allah okay somehow they know the true interpretation of the verses how they know it they put them beside each other okay and no that's not the question so okay here are two interpretations of the koran okay how can i tell which one of them is correct okay can i say yeah if if you put them beside other verses and you see that it contradict other verses okay then either a lot contradict himself okay or you your interpretation is wrong all right so okay let me let me show you how silly this is now i have two verses that contradict to each other right okay how do i know which of the two contradictory verses is done correctly okay because they you know uh you have to understand that uh for example striking women is against the mercy of Allah which is the foundation no sir okay that's not what i asked all right i i'm done i give up all right i told you look i surrender no i was moving to our q&a fellas you win no i told you now that you know you win you have to you have no mechanism for understanding we are getting first for you don't understand that merely when two things disagree you don't get to assume the one that you like is true no you don't know what truth is and you are sitting here trying to defend is is not true but you're not even trying to defend it so i don't have anything else to say okay i just have to say this one i didn't i said that you have to put the verses beside each other and when uh there are more than one you know uh understanding of a word or a verse then you have to interpret it okay i can give you verses unfortunately we don't have time but i can give you uh verses that translators have translated one in one way the same word in another one they have translated differently because it doesn't make sense okay so if you would like i can uh show i don't i wouldn't like okay yes all right you if you would like that i wouldn't like q&a fellas because we are going to get pressed for time well thank you so much fellas for coming out and having this discussion uh just to remind you all that modern day debate is a neutral a debate platform um we hope you all feel welcome here we're gonna get into our q&a uh remember only super chats over ten dollars are going to be read for uh the sake of time here uh so uh we have ember ten dollars it is said a law gave the prophet considerable knowledge things no mortal could know but how is it that all powerful a law couldn't even give the prophet the simple knowledge of basic literacy um the i mean i don't i don't know uh he was illiterate okay and he a lot chose to uh you know to give him those knowledge all right but reading writing i don't know i mean this is a very uh difficult to answer this question okay because uh he's supposed to just give him the the message so that he deliver and he explained for him the message so it wasn't required that he become i don't know is uh rocket scientist there was no requirement for that as most uh prophets were the same they they were illiterate and i have to say by the way after this i go i go live i i just say after this i go live right away to or my channel those who have more questions they can uh join me and talk to me directly there yes all right yeah if anybody wants to join perfect dollar he's extended the invitation there uh yellow banana you sent in 10 euros but i didn't have a question attached to it so if you want to tag us in the live chat there and if you had a question i if not thank you so much for your uh for your donation there uh let's see austin howard ten dollars just wanted to say hi modern day debate love the platform and love you matt another amazing job as usual i could listen to your voice and points all day i don't like your voice that's nice yeah okay all right respectful debates two okay i thought i didn't think you were gonna respond to that but uh yeah uh you have a fan respectful debates 220 rupees question to perfect dollar muslims in general believe that children are born with fitra the natural predisposition to believe in a law uh they reference uh verse here if you want it here it's six sixty two ninety eight uh can you prove it scientifically that children are born with this natural predisposition to believe i don't believe myself of course that the children are born muslim as i said beginning we are all born as animals okay and we become uh whatever muslim christian or whatever in the future uh depend on our society the our you know uh teachings so depend on that we we find uh our way and islam is not a form that you are born to that form as uh i was born in a muslim family but i became eight years at age of 25 i don't call myself an xx muslim okay i call myself uh somebody who became uh was just born in a muslim family so i don't believe that you are born in a way of life because islam is a way of life is a belief you cannot be born to believe or a way of life that's that's what i believe okay i agree i don't think children are born with with conceptual understandings and frameworks that match a religion they can be raised that way but i don't agree i agree we agree on something yes we agree on many things matt we i don't think so i don't think we agree on that we agree yeah we agree matt we agreed that uh prophet Muhammad didn't split the moon okay sure yes i agree on that one as well yes he can convince anybody else but himself yet resorts to denying half the Koran and the worst brain rot arguments i have ever met to the point he denies we are even humans enough man okay i think they're coming out to there that's not worth addressing we're humans and for the record if people consider themselves fans of me and just want to spew out super chats that are nothing of substance and just like name callie uh stopping fans of me you're being shitty thank you matt all right thank you for that andy martin 10 euros says people using the claim in their book to prove their claim matt how do you stay saying hearing circular reasoning and never actual evidence in these debates okay it's it's it's not a matter well i mean i guess it isn't a thing saying if you want that but the issue here is that okay we have we don't have a full understanding of why each individual believes we have an understanding of why people generally believe and it's pretty easy to assess and it's it's telling that when you ask questions what sort of answer do you get if you ask how or why do you believe this or how or why should someone believe this what you would expect is a mechanism by which one can analyze the evidence and then a presentation of the specific evidence for that if you don't get that then what you have the overwhelming majority people couldn't even describe what it is that they believe specifically let alone why and once you are involved and once you are invested in a public profession of faith towards one of these religions then even in the face of evidence to the contrary you are going to stand up against it because now it's personal now it says something about who you are now you are going to be the one you're going to be perceived as irrational and so it's if you're going to be perceived as irrational either way why not be perceived for being irrational by doubling down and maintaining a hold on what your profession of faith is if you're going to lose an eye either way and you are unwilling to give it up because you don't know or understand or care about the truth what else are you supposed to do it's not surprising that this happens over and over and over again all right uh moving on from there uh let me just scroll through here we're getting a whole lot of chats here uh so perfect dawa from no valve gate ten dollars thank you so much says stated the adawa stated that in nature the big and strong survive and the weak and small don't but if this is true then why do we see a much wider variety of outcomes in nature uh well i said that in uh animal world uh in our world as well which is animal world the strongest one get the most the weakest one get the least okay and uh sometimes they even don't get anything and they die so the this is uh true in our world as well uh that hundreds of millions of people live on one dollar a day and many times has happened that they die of hunger so this is uh in animal nature as well uh true but that that's that's the the system of the nature animal nature sorry animal world and yes that's um i i think it's a fact especially today we know that one percent of the world population they they own one hundred ten trillion dollars while fifty percent of the world population they own just less than half the percent of the total capital of the planet and because they live on one dollar a day and that's a fact okay so it's an undeniable fact that those who are stronger uh before was stronger in muscles today stronger in you know knowledge in uh intelligence so they get the most so i think we may have found at least something else we potentially agree on which is that there's a problem with income inequality and wealth and if islam were generally in favor of putting an end to that i would say that's a wonderful thing still does not demonstrate in any way that islam is true but it's a wonderful thing unfortunately as long as islam holds that there are men and women in different categories that men are superior to women and women are inferior to men which it absolutely does you might you might disregard that verse about the beating thing but it's in the same verse that Allah made men to be superior to women then you can't have income inequality between the genders within islam all right matt i just have to say that first of all i was trying to tell you that islam is trying to create that equality the equal work okay which i think i see that you also like that okay and that's great but about women it is absolutely equal in islam men and women that's just not true okay that's just absolutely a lie are men forced to wear bags in any version of islam okay that's not islam okay that's a tradition so that about uh oh okay just i don't believe i don't believe in that okay cool in that verse 434 does it say that men are created to be superior to women and in charge of women no no it says that they have uh because they are provider okay no no men don't have to be the provider yeah it it was in that time in those time they were oh so it was in that time in that time yes chapter 49 verse 13 Matthew says oh mankind indeed we have created you from male and female and made you people and tribes that you may know one another indeed the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you indeed Allah is knowing all over so if you are a man or a woman doesn't matter if you are a muslim or non-muslim also doesn't matter if you are righteous the most righteous one is the best in the sight of Allah so it doesn't matter you are a man or a woman in the sight of Allah we are all equal where does it say you're all equal wait now and i'm not concerned about within the sight of Allah because they don't think Allah exists where does it say in the Quran that women are equal to be to men and should have equal rights to men and should have equal rights to property and income as men where does it say that okay chapter 16 verse 97 also whoever does righteousness whether male or female while he's a faithful we will surely cause him to live a good life that's about whether or not that's about whether or not Allah will bless them i asked you see here's the here's the thing i asked a specific question and we don't get an answer that's that's tied to that okay all right so i i said that uh those who understand yes i just said yes those who understand Quran uh in a good way they know that men and women those who understand the Quran the way you do i will admit that your understanding of the Quran is probably much better for humanity than anybody else's i've run across the issue is whether or not you're right and since you don't have to show it and you don't care whether or not you're right and i'm not alone yes i'm not i'm not alone we are millions okay yeah okay cool very good if only it were relevant yes i appreciate that you like that one yes very good thank you yes okay and the truth is uh yes yes i mean it is difficult to to explain it right now okay i i don't know how to explain it sorry to answer it oh i i just just want to the question was for you to define truth right yes i understand yes and and you didn't it is too difficult for you to defend right now right i mean it is difficult to it's literally the subject of this debate is Islam true and someone's literally asking you to define truth and that's too difficult right yeah no i mean that uh if if i have to it if it matches my understanding i mean for me that becomes true okay maybe it is not truth for you but for me no thank you you said it was too difficult but it's actually really easy it's true if you agree with it and it might not be true for me you have an absolutely uh nonsensical definition of truth that makes it nothing more than truth is whatever perfect da wa thinks that's not truth so how about your math how i defined it at the beginning of my opening okay i already did it i don't need to rehash it for you i'm sorry you didn't pay attention maybe you would have had a definition of truth when it was convenient but truth is that which comports with reality not just it doesn't make a difference what any individual thinks about it truth is independent of your opinion of it and the fact that you are equating your opinion with truth is testament to everything that you got wrong today yes the reality for you maybe it's not the reality for me that for no no no no sorry reality is reality there isn't individual realities and if you think there is which clearly you do you have to prove it which you can never do because you're now in a reality all to yourself you entered a debate when about is Islam true when you're not defending anything tied to standard Islam and basically saying other Muslims are wrong and then your your standard for truth is that which comports with you thinks that's all we needed to know you could have said that before we started the debate all right i apologize again to the live chat i i said since you're upset that i muted my mic i had a rolling burp and i didn't want to share it with all of you uh so if you missed your my call out it was from chack sake for 999 and the question was what is the definition of truth so that's what we've been talking about here let's move on the logical larynx 10 dollars are there any organizations you are a part of that you'd like to promote even more than you have already yes yes i have said it many people know there is organization and i reached i said we are millions that organization is has been existing in 57 years a Muslim organization that we are fighting against the Iranian regime and women are our leaders women are absolutely equal in our organization not only equal we have given most powers to women to show themself that they are equal to men and that's why i said to matt that i'm not alone we are millions and we will bring down the Iranian regime and we will change the the entire middle east women will rise up for their rights there as well because they will see that Muslim women are ruling a country there and there is nothing wrong with equality between men and women yes well i wish you luck but without an understanding of truth and beginning with your your defense that the Koran is infallible which you can't all that now means is that the Koran agrees with you i don't know how you're going to convince anybody else all right let's move on from here we have a logical larynx strikes again for 10 dollars great job everyone now say one nice thing about each other without mentioning religion or don't i'm not your dad without mentioning religions i think that perfect awa legitimately cares about a better world and equality yeah and i heard that also matt do that and i appreciate it very much that's very nice if he also do that so that's i i heard the moderator is polite enough to mute when he burps so now i've said something nice about everybody that had nothing to do with religion all right this is very kind of me uh you have no idea how bad it was um you know the george carlin scared about you know one so bad it could end a marriage it was kind of like that only anyway all right so uh yellow banana 10 euros religion religious people sorry religious people prayed for kovat to end yet people still died all over the place vaccines and science fixed it either god doesn't care prayers don't work or god doesn't exist what's your explanation i um i said that god uh sent us just guidance he is not going to fix the covid he gave us enough intelligence to intelligence to to do it ourselves and it didn't meant ever that he fixed the problems uh it meant that we do fix the problems but by his guidance okay and his guidance is a moral word is not about praying that uh which is it he fixed the problems we have to do it ourselves we have to stand uh for our right it is uh many places in koran that says stand for your rights fight for against oppressors he's not going to and he says himself he's not going to do anything uh but people have to do it themselves okay he just give us the guidance yes all right and after that we have uh correll 10 euro says you said Muhammad didn't split the moon could he have done it if he wanted to if not he wanted if god wanted but god didn't want to give him uh coran says uh in many verses that you don't need because we gave a miracle to previous prophets but people just said it is magic so there is no use to that uh so you don't need any miracle or Muhammad uh all you need is koran so there is no any verses in koran that says prophet Muhammad split the moon and that's just the fabricated hadith okay and he didn't split the moon because there are many verses that goes against that hadith okay all right excellent and we'll keep moving right along yellow banana for another 10 euros thank you yellow banana for your support perfect awa we know that humans have been around for 150 to 200 thousand years why would god not intervene until a couple thousand years ago also in very briefly what is your view on evolution i believe in evolution yes i believe in evolution and i believe that god waited until we are evolved enough and we understand he couldn't send i mean it wasn't possible to teach monkeys anything because they wouldn't understand so he waited waited until we are developed enough to understand and then he sent us prophets so as i said also i believe in evolution i don't believe that we are aliens and we just were put on this planet all right and just to let the people in the live chat know we do have to wrap this up in the next well we it's 441 to here where i am so we got to wrap it up in the next 20 minutes so lord stanis 999 another cheeky cheeky donation there just under the 10 dollar mark but it's euros so that translates better over here we'll still read it why does the Quran say that if all mountains disappeared you would be able to see the entire earth and that it would be without any curves sounds like all knowing Allah is a flat earther all right i have i said that i haven't been pondering in every single verses of Quran and i don't believe that Allah says about flat earth okay and if he give me the the words i will be able to make research and then i will address that on my live stream okay i go live after this right away and every Saturdays so those who have such questions they are more than welcome to join my weekly live streams and we can address all these questions okay if not right now then will be next stream so i will talk to those who know such verses better and i will give the the right explanation so please go to my channel and subscribe there and join my live streams and another things i have to say that those who would like to fight islamic extremism please support us okay and i need help because i am one of those few who can fight these islamic extremists there are millions sorry no i i say that i'm one of the few that we are fighting okay the the organization that i'm falling falling they are right now they are concentrating on fighting iranian regime okay and that's a lot of job for them unfortunately so i'm one of those few who is concentrating on all yeah so i'm putting a lot of time other places but they are all concentrated on iranian regime so far because this is the the root of all evil in the midlands all problems but they should come to your live stream to get answers right no they shouldn't come because they have they have also their own you know as i said i have to also consider with them they have the right answer to these questions as well okay but they are busy with fighting iranian regime but i have put my time also here on my channel to fight islamic extremism yes all right i will move on jeff coat grain um so sorry if you feel like i'm picking on you dawa feel free to you know definitely have open dialogue in the course of these conversations as a lot of these questions are directed to what you provided in your opening dawa so perfect dawa matt provided clear evidence that the koran is fallible if every mistake in the koran is actually a misunderstanding doesn't that suggest the koran is imperfect and confusing all right as i said some verses are unspecific and the verses that i read they are you know koran says as a fact okay koran tells them about a fact and then say wouldn't you reflect okay so these are the the verses that koran wants people to you know to to think about a fact but there are verses that are just you know metaphorical and they are not exactly how people read it okay and those verses are not any facts they are just stories okay to tell people give them just a message so you have to understand that if the verse if koran wants god wants you to think to reflect for example about the universe how it was created and so on and it says wouldn't they reflect koran mentioned that yes all right and perfect dawa this from rpg debunks ten dollars perfect dawa you said christianity is true but islam and christianity have opposing views on christ's divinity both can't be true at the same time okay we have of course differences but it doesn't make them false totally okay there are you know has been there has been um how do you say verses or ideas that have been inserted in those religions okay and i mentioned always as well that for example stoning adulterers in those two even judaism i say that it has been also fabricated verses okay that there's these are not commands of god and those who try to keep these barbaric pagans practices they try to insert those commands also in koran but they couldn't that's why they created fabricated hadiths and they said and unfortunately many times when i talk to these extremists and say this is not from god from the most merciful and for forgiving god they say oh look look it is in christianity and judaism as well that's why i say that not everything in those religions are from god okay like these verses all right but in in totality they are religions of god yes all right thank you so much for that and that is actually the end of our super chats there so uh we'll wrap it up from here uh just to extend a huge thank you to uh matt dollahoney and perfect dawak for coming out and having this conversation uh thank you everybody in the live chat for your support uh and just as a reminder this debate con 3.0 is going to be a live in person event it's saturday april 22nd and it's at fort worth texas uh if you can put as little as a dollar into the crowd fund that's great uh see all the links in the description right now when we uh exit out here and uh thank you fellas so much for coming out and having this conversation i just have to say thank you matt for being here um and i'll go live now so please join me there thank you my brother matt okay take care everybody thank you thank you have a nice evening everybody go have fun on his channel all right thanks fellas take care take care thank you bye