 Baseball season officially has started and also during the summer, seniors and kids ride free. I think I can pass. I don't think you're passing at all. Sometimes. Don't worry about it. You have some time. Couple of you. Yeah. It's good. It's Paula order. Do a roll call. And I know Victoria is joining us as well. She's just right behind also. All right. Council member Fleming this will be joining us shortly. Mayor Rogers and chair Rogers go to it's working. Let's go to approval of minutes. There's the March 6th meeting minutes. Are you able to vote on it? All right, we'll come back to that. Let's go to Reddit, but I didn't watch it. If you're good to vote on it, I'll just do a public comment. Anybody have any changes to the minutes? Cool. I'll bring it back. No. Objections. We'll show them adopted. And then public comment for non-agenda items. Does anybody have a comment today? It's non-agenda items. Great. We'll go to department reports. Tasha, anything? I just want to remind everyone that Earth Day. Our Earth Day celebration is happening on the 20th from 12 to 4 in our square. And we hope everybody can join us for that. And you'll be getting a city council presentation about that for details. All right. Any comments on the department reports? Can you try to get that? I think I asked before, but can we get that in all of our calendars as optional? Do you see all the council members calendars just drop it? Okay. So have it dropped? Yes. Yeah. All right. We've got a 5.1. It's our Sonoma County Regional Climate Protection Authority information briefing on the Bay Ren program. Come on up. Okay. Well, you guys are getting situated. Thank you for being here with us today. Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us. Shoot. All right. Just... Thanks for having us. Yeah, it's first and third Wednesdays of the month. Okay. I don't want to sit here. I'm sorry. Before they get started, I just wanted to send your mind to start thinking about as they go through these different programs. There is a water program. We're going to be working with Bay Ren to look into it as whether or not that's a possibility for implementation for us. But as they go through the other programs to... At the end, we'd love to hear your feedback as far as how staff can engage and what programs might work best for us. And then how do we engage the community? So we'd love to hear that feedback from you. Thank you and good afternoon. My name is Anna Oliva and I am the Bay Area Regional Energy Network, or Bay Ren, local government liaison with SCTA or CPA. And I'm happy to provide you with the briefing on the Bay Ren program portfolio and the services that are available throughout Sonoma County. I would also like to introduce Doria Estrella and Christine Condon, who are department analysts of the County of Sonoma's Climate Action and Resiliency Division. And today I'll begin with a brief overview of what Bay Ren is as an organization and how it's implemented in Sonoma County, followed by an introduction to the 2024 program offerings. And I'll conclude with some of the services available specifically for local governments and some of our outreach and education activities that we have coming up. So Bay Ren is the Bay Area Regional Energy Network, as I mentioned, and it's a coalition of the nine Bay Area counties. This is a network of local governments partnering to promote resource efficiency at the regional level, focusing on energy, water and greenhouse gas reduction. Bay Ren is led by the Association of Bay Area Governments and offers programs for residents, small businesses and local governments. These services include outreach and education, training, technical assistance and funding. And speaking of funding, Bay Ren is funded by utility rate payer funds through the California Public Utilities Commission, as well as other sources. And its staff is composed of representatives from local governments working to support the local economy and communities. And Bay Ren's programs, which include rebates, financing and technical assistance are uniform throughout the Bay Area and available at no cost to city and county. So I'll look into what Bay Ren looks like in Sonoma County. So the Regional Climate Protection Authority or our CPA is the county lead for Bay Ren's programs. The County of Sonoma's Climate Action and Resiliency Division or CARD, as I'll reference it for the rest of the presentation, is contracted by our CPA to manage Bay Ren implementation and outreach, as well as provide technical expertise for the programs. And additionally, my role as the local government liaison was added to the team in the beginning of this year, and I'll cover more information on these services later in the program presentation. Bay Ren is committed to working closely with local governments to promote energy efficiency and resilience in our communities and operates based on these three core principles, promoting healthy and energy efficient buildings, building capacity for local governments and reducing emissions by catalyzing regional activities and connecting them to existing initiatives. In 2025, Bay Ren's organization, resources and programs will evolve to more intentionally integrate equity, filling gaps and addressing barriers to energy efficiency and electrification as an essential part of meeting state and jurisdiction climate and energy goals. Also, a significant 60% of the forthcoming four year budget will be allocated to enhance equity initiatives for underserved residents. And I just want to note that eligibility and determination of what qualifies as an underserved audience varies for each of the Bay Ren programs. Later in the presentation, I'll do a deeper dive into what that looks like for each of the individual programs. Over the past 10 years, Bay Ren has avoided 156 million tons of greenhouse gas emissions, completed 64,000 housing unit upgrades, created over 12,000 clean energy jobs and paid 66 million in incentives. Recently, the CPUC has approved a new Bay Ren budget that will underwrite the six existing programs, which includes single family, multifamily, commercial codes and standards, green labeling and water upgrade save and introduce four new programs, all focused on filling program and policy gaps to address barriers and energy efficiency and electrification. So I will take a deeper dive in our 2024 program offerings. As I mentioned, we will now have 10 programs in our portfolio that include four sectors residential commercial and public sector, as well as cross cutting, which includes one or more sectors. And I will start off with our first program single family home plus. So if you want to note that this program is currently undergoing a program relaunch, the program redesign aims to address gaps in the energy program landscape and seeks to better serve underserved audiences. The new target audience of this program includes moderate income households, those with limited English proficiency and pollution burden households. We'll also be shifting towards energy efficiency and focus specifically on weatherization and remediation. The program will work to complement existing electrification programs such as tech, Ira and Golden State. The proposed program will offer whole home upgrades tailored for households unable to otherwise afford them independently. And it consists of two core program elements. First, a comprehensive concierge service and second, a direct install program. The concierge service will act as a one stop shop for residents beginning their home upgrade process. Services would include conducting home assessments, conducting customers with appropriate resources and filling out paperwork and referring folks to other programs, if not interested or eligible and barren services. The direct install program will manage the entire installation process for eligible households at little to no cost. And this program would work with a customer in a scope of work and manage contractors throughout the completion of the project. And for households that are already prepared for electrification referrals will be made and provided to other resources, ensuring improved access to other programs. I just want to make a quick note on where we're at in our redesign process right now. We're currently in the feedback and community engagement phase of the program redesign. We're working to gather this feedback through April, and we're going to use this feedback to shape the program proposal and address specific barriers that were addressed during these feedback sessions. We're anticipating that a program proposal will be available by the end of spring with the anticipated launch being the end of 2024. There's been a lot of outreach specifically in Sonoma County with the goal of including representatives from our target communities, which include homeowners contractors and community based organizations. Additionally, in the beginning of April, we'd like focus groups with jurisdiction staff to introduce them to the proposed program and gather feedback from them as well. Feedback sessions with homeowners that fall into our target audience will be conducted through the beginning of April and additionally will be seeking feedback from key CBOs in the community, including low CN and goodwill. But there's still a lot we don't know about what this final program design will look like, which includes exactly how many households will aim to serve annually, how this program will serve renters and effectively engage landlords, how long a typical project will take and who the implementers will be, but the feedback gathered during this time will be crucial for shaping that next step in our next glimpse at the program design, which is really exciting. Next, I'd like to touch on green labeling. So this program oversees the home energy score offering through Bayran, which provides residents with insights into their homes efficiency potential prior to undertaking home upgrades and provides guidance on next steps to take. Currently, there's a $200 assessment rebate available and I also want to note that Bayran has been approved to launch the home energy score statewide. The program also provides training and resources for real estate professionals to become green home experts. For Santa Rosa specifically, there's going to be a National Association of Realtors Green Designation Training hosted at the Advanced Energy Center later this month. Next we'll head up for residential programs. We have the Bay Area Multi-Building Enhancement Program, or BABY, which helps multi-family property owners make energy savings building upgrades. The program is available to apartment buildings, condos and HOAs and offers no cost technical assistance and rebates for building upgrades, which include but are not limited to electric heat pump water heaters and HVAC systems, windows and insulation, lighting, appliances and unit measures, such as smart thermometers, thermostats. I also want to note that a case study is currently being developed in Santa Rosa at a Burbank property. They're in the process of undergoing their upgrades right now and we'll have more information available in the coming months on that project specifically. Next we have our Codes and Standards Program, which supports local governments specifically with developing, adopting and implementing energy policies. This includes REACH codes and California Energy Code. Some of the services for this program include providing training and resources for building staff, supplying no cost technical assistance to municipal buildings, and organizing quarterly Bay Area regional forums on a variety of topics. For example, the one that we hosted this past quarter was on the Water Energy Nexus, and so we focused on water conservation staff, building staff, and I personally enjoy them. There are three hours, but the resources are available after the forums are held. Next we have Bay Run Business, which offers a valuable opportunity for small businesses to enhance their energy efficiency and reduce operational costs. The target audience for this program is categorized as hard to reach, and some of the criteria that determines eligibility for that includes being located in an disadvantaged community, having a primary language other than English, less than 25 employees renting the building. However, since this is a small target audience throughout Sonoma County, we work with the local government partnership offered through PG&E and some additional resources through the County of Sonoma to offer energy efficiency assessments, technical support, and connect business owners to other financing options. However, for those who do meet the eligibility for this program, some of the upgrades can include air conditioning, energy for appliances, LED lighting, refrigeration equipment, and space and water heating. And as Tasha mentioned, we do have water upgrades saved. This program helps homeowners and renters install water and energy efficiency upgrades. And the program is only available in participating jurisdictions, which means that their utility must be enrolled. And currently in Sonoma County, Sebastopol and Cloverdale are enrolled in the program. Water Upgrade Save is an inclusive utility investment program that enables customers to install efficiency upgrades while using a proportion of their utility bill savings to pay for the project over time. It removes barriers of participation such as upfront cost while providing affordable turnkey installation and quality control service to support bill savings. And the program can easily integrate with existing city programs and expand the city's capacity to reach its resource and equity goals. In a typical project, this would look like a toilet installation, low flow shower heads, and aerators. So if you do have, for example, a toilet rebate that can get folded into the program and just cuts down the overall cost of the project for the customer. And now I'm happy to take a deeper look into our four new programs that we'll be rolling out over the course of 2024. And I will hand it off to Dory and Chris to talk about these programs in a little more detail. I do have to say the whole way through, I've been sitting here being like, man, there's a lot of acronyms. And clearly people always love when their acronyms create things. But seeing the refrigerant replacement program being further. I was going to take the case appropriately. Thanks, Anna. Yeah, I'm Dory Astral. I'm an analyst with Climate Action and Resiliency Division. I've been there since 2010. And I managed the implementation of the single family, multifamily, commercial, BRRR, and green labeling programs. So, BRRR, I thought it was going to comment to how appropriately it means. Oh, no worries. I'm glad you noticed that also. To reduce greenhouse gas emissions from existing refrigeration systems, Bayrun's BRRR program will replace equipment with a high global warming potential or GWP refrigerants with environmentally friendly alternatives at a lower no cost to eligible participants. To serve the Bay Area's food service sector exclusively performing refrigerant changeouts to small restaurants, bars, grocery stores, grocery and convenience stores. Eligible businesses must be independently owned and located in a low income or low food access area or designated disadvantaged community. Next slide, please. So this is me. So this is one of the public programs from Bayrun, the new ones. I am the codes and standards lead for Bayrun for Sonoma County, an energy and sustainability analyst at the county's Climate Action Resiliency Division been there since 2017 and have a long background in building science, green building and energy consulting. So this program that targeted decarbonization services program is the new version of the former municipal zero net energy zero net carbon program. It was a technical assistance program that Bayrun had. The county took advantage of that program for the San Jose Betsal. And it was a really powerful program really leveraged that project and helped it really get it off the ground. So these programs are becoming more robust. So this program will include a decarbonization showcase. It'll provide technical and financial support for selected public facility properties. So the idea is to serve or identify a select range of buildings that encompass different types of buildings, public buildings, and they'll be priority given to buildings that serve equity, equitable or equity priority communities. And the projects must be pilot and demonstrate approaches to building decarbonization, collect and share real world data. The program will also offer decarbonization education and financing and I'm pretty excited about this because it's targeting facility operation staff who traditionally are not that used to electric technologies. And so I think this will be a really powerful program to help move the needle here with public buildings. So it'll allow the local government staff to become familiar with decarbonization equipment and financing strategies. And the program will also support exploring financing and alternatives, including leveraging alternative financing sources and testing incentives. So this is a program that's in development right now. We just finished and review of proposals for a bench, a technical bench for these programs. And they just, I just met the new public program leads today. So it's starting to get rolling it'll take a few months to really develop, but pretty exciting concepts here. The decarbonization services, the TDS targeted decarbonization services. The next is integrated energy services. We have a local government partnership program that we administer in our office. We've had the Sonoma County Energy Watch program the PG&E program in our office since I don't remember. I mean, it was before I was there, maybe 2015, 2009. Oh, 2009 was there. And so we've been working on that. It was more of a direct install commercial program and for public buildings for lots of lighting upgrades, things like that. And now the local government partnership is strictly focused on public entities and also, oh actually just recently expanded to commercial properties. So our program we offer an energy road mapping service that's similar to what's offered here. And like Anna said, this is a public purpose funded program. So we have to be careful about redundancy. So what we're doing is working in collaboration with Bayrun to fill to make sure that we can take advantage of any resources that we're not already offering in the county, but and fill gaps. And I kind of fought hard for that. So, just to be able to bring any of these new resources to the county, but also be able to still serve the county with the local government partnership. So basically these programs will assist local governments and special districts with finding and applying for funds to help improve public buildings, and they'll provide a service to develop roadmaps for public building energy improvements. The, the energy road mapping service will be will entail tech technical engineering assistance to develop the roadmaps for improving the facilities to meet energy goals and provide energy assessments for designated and potential community resiliency centers and technical assistance for energy improvements. So please help you're going to climate careers. And we'll I'll talk to you more a little bit about the LGP the local government partnership program because that's kind of exciting to So Sonoma County's actually worked with rising center for opportunity on the greenhouse call programs for several years. It's been expanded to now be termed climate career program. And it includes both in person and greenhouse call green. It includes greenhouse calls that are both in person and virtual throughout the Bay Area in Sonoma County what that looks like it's a virtual program this year. Interested participants can go online or contact rising sun by phone to complete a survey to determine personalized energy efficiency needs and be sent a kit with installation instructions that will be delivered right to their door kits including LED bulbs, a smart power strip, high efficiency aerators and shower heads along with tips on efficiency. Today the program has served over 1700 residents in Sonoma County. Great. Next I want to touch on some of the resources outside of the program scope it's still available for local governments through Bay Run in the county of Sonoma. Coming right into 2024 we're going to see the launch of the Bay Run data aggregation and reporting tool also Dart and Dart will serve as a digital dashboard designed to showcase and share Bay Run program metrics at a local level. I'm currently in the process of developing county dashboards for this. This tool is going to help staff to identify common and useful data that might be able to be pulled for a city council meeting for example, or a climate action subcommittee meeting. And this tool is going to be leveraged by staff to access and utilize crucial data to help inform decision making and strategic planning. And we're expecting a launch for this later this spring. And the city aims to provide vital data for local governments throughout the Bay area and it focuses on understanding the current building stock understanding and including data on energy usage profiles and building characteristics, as well as infrastructure. And by analyzing this building data, we hope to identify D car pathways and use this information to direct local governments and actionable insights to craft effective energy policies and climate goals. And over the next few months we'll see the first public version of this dashboard. We expected completed dashboard to be available in the end of the year. And then as of September 2023 the Bay Run local government liaison role, which is myself was added to the RCPA team and the introduction of the Bay Run local government liaison role aims to enhance local government access to Bay Run programs and services ensuring that city and county staff can fully utilize energy efficiency and clean energy resources. The purpose of this role is to bridge the gap between local governments and the Bay Run programs by streamlining communication providing tailored support and facilitating effective utilization of the resources. And this role includes three key offerings, communication services and so this can include promoting bear and activities such as workshop series and trainings, as well as up to date information for city websites for example that's one piece of feedback that we got from staff. It's hard rebates are constantly evolving and changing as well as programs. So we're helping to assist there. One thing I do want to note is that this role also support with climate policy. And so this will help identify areas where Baron can be leveraged specifically in climate action items. And you guys are in the process of updating your greenhouse gas reduction strategy. So I'd happy to be partner, partner with staff on that to identify Baron as a resource for the built environment section. And also identify ways to work with city and county staff to understand local equity goals and guide Bay Run program activities accordingly. As well as coordinate and some of the regional partners to stay informed on equity best practices and strategies for effective outreach and the jurisdictions. So handed over to Dory and Chris to talk about some of the services available through the county. Thanks. So little history on the climate action resiliency division we were actually created in 2006 as the energy and sustainability division. And we're originally created to address internal county building energy use. And in 2009 our first public program was introduced and since then we've added a number of resources and services. On the energy side of the climate action resiliency division, we focus on buildings and behaviors. I do want to add that in 2021. The board of supervisors created the climate action to order the creation of the climate action resiliency division and merged energy and sustainability together so now we cover not only buildings and energy, but also lands and waters and it really brings it full circle. So on the energy side of the division we focus on buildings and behaviors with this customers meaning we define our customers as constituents, homeowners, renters, residents in general of Sonoma County building owners, commercial building and public facilities pretty much the gamut. But we consider our customers we even consider buildings our customers right because we have the ability to follow a building through the, you know, no matter who owns it, the lifecycle of those improvements that they've made. We work with our customers through a variety of services. We work with cities towns special districts businesses and residents to increase energy efficiency in their buildings to project planning for energy retrofit projects and education about rebates and financing. We offer the county's pace financing program to property owners that now includes what financing for energy water solar battery backup wildfire safety and seismic strengthening improvements for both retrofits and new construction. Transportation services provide no cost impartial information to educate community members they can make informed decisions related to building improvements. We host numerous workshops and trainings for the community and workforce development. And we also partner with a variety of agencies to offer programs and services to the community. So here I'm going to talk about the local government partnership program. What's great about this program is now it's been expanded to serve small and medium businesses. That's been a large gap in the county and so we can actually provide energy assessments for all these different types of buildings. The local government special districts K through 12 schools and small and medium businesses. Basically, we are team goes in and evaluates energy use energy using systems and building systems and creates an energy efficiency roadmap so we document existing conditions make recommendations and connect folks with resources. We do focus a lot on decarbonization, but basically we're funded for energy efficiency work and thank goodness everything's moving in the direction that we can actually include decarbonization in our in our work. So we created energy efficiency roadmap that helps folks kind of create a plan to identify short mid and low term energy conservation measures and decarbonization strategies. The end product has been used and is you can be used for it's a comprehensive report that can be presented to decision makers and it's a pretty powerful tool. So it's a high level assessment it's not an energy I mean that's been great audit however we can connect folks with an investment and we started with that like with the same was a veteran saw we're working on all county facilities right now too, but it starts kind of at that level that high level where you identify opportunities and then you can bring in spend the money on engineering where you can really identify opportunities and strategies to get projects implemented. I think that's all for this one. And it's no cost let's just be clear this is a county public goods funded program. The other thing we do is we provide no cost consultations better building consultations and solar and battery storage consultations we also offer financing and incentive consultations. I, I work in the better building side and I also dabble in financing and incentives, and also sometimes in solar and battery storage, but my focus is on building upgrades and existing building upgrades. So what we do is we meet with folks and now that we've moved into the zoom realm. We do it a lot virtually and it's very convenient reduce greenhouse gas emissions people don't have to travel to our office. It just makes it incredibly convenient and really has caused a larger uptake on the service. And so we help folks create a project plan, help them move through the complexity from wherever they're at they can just be thinking about electrification and where do I start, or they can have some bids they want to look at and trans and help them translate bids. We don't help them select a contractor and tell them this is good or this is bad or this is too high or this is too low. It's more like well this doesn't include the electrical or you're going to have to go get your own permit with this one. And that's hard to do when you're a homeowner or business owner to understand what's included in a bin what's not. And so that's a I think that's a really powerful service. And again financing incentives. The solar and battery storage consultations are great we have a colleague who has about a decade in the solar industry, and then he's worked for the organization for about eight years, and he will have somebody send him their couple of years of PG&E data, and he'll put it into a tool where he can estimate the size of a system that would offset whatever their goal is they want to offset 100% he'll calculate what it would take to offset 100% of that usage from the historic PG&E data. And he'll look at, you know, Google Maps for to look at suitability for solar, and then also he'll he'll also review bids with folks to understand. So the whole point is that you have a frame of reference. You're not in over sizing a system which is never optimal it's never a good idea to oversize a solar system, especially now, and because of the tariff changes. So it doesn't it's not cost affected to generate excess and then sell it back to the utility for nothing. The better to onsite use is really key here. That's why battery storage is so critical to. So this proper sizing is is really what we're after, and then connecting folks with the Sonoma County Energy Independence Program financing for solar. And there aren't incentives for solar but there are plenty of incentives for heat pump water heaters heat pump space conditioning. And again that's a complex landscape and a lot of those incentives are stackable. It's really complex. So it's, I think this kind of liaison ideas is really very useful. And when we have workshops, the uptake really increases. So, we just, it's really been an effective strategy for educating folks. I think that's right. There you go. To support the work that we do with the division we've developed a comprehensive multi channel outreach plan, an integral component to the plan is education through homeowner focused in person workshops, poorly webinar series and workforce development partners on structural resiliency and the role of energy efficiency and decarbonization. We listed a sampling of the different types of workshops and webinars that we that we've done in the past. Since the beginning of the year we've done for for English version of the in person workshop and for in Spanish. We've also had the series of six or six in the webinar series that just concluded last week. And our set is is one of the most popular is we do one on solar and storage and electrification, but it's funding your improvements. And Anna mentioned that rebates are changing all the time we do that regularly. So we can provide homeowners or anyone that wants to join with the latest information of what's available now what's coming in the future how to maximize those rebates and how to really create a project plan to help fund those projects and win no win to get those done. And one of the other tools that we created and for the audience online. We do have a link to our home resilience guide I did bring some copies for people here. This is a comprehensive tool that we created educational tool that covers all of the different ways that you can make improvements toward a more resilient safe and comfortable home, assessing your home high level overview of it all with some fun graphics. I'm pretty proud of this week. Yeah, so yeah, almost a year on on the creations than you think. And if you notice, it's also in English, Spanish online and in France. And that concludes our presentation so thank you all for your time. And we welcome any questions. All right. I'll look to my colleagues. Apologies for being late this is a presentation that nobody would want to miss. I'm wondering if you went over at the beginning the relationship between a run and the county of snow with the structure and do cover that ground. You did but I'm happy to write one more time so the regional climate protection authority is the county lead for Baron and we do contract directly with the county of Sonoma's climate action and resiliency division to provide technical expertise for the programs. And as Chris mentioned she oversees codes and standards and Dory manages our outreach and education for all of the programs. So that's the connection that we have there. Okay, that's helpful I remember a month or two ago back at MTC, a number of commissioners were surprised to see that they ran fell under MTC and so I was interested to know so it seems like it's a program that comes out of it comes out of the regional planning agency and then the local states local counties, customize it to meet our needs. Yeah, and at a higher level we do fall under a bag. So that part of the MTC house there. Okay, you guys are independent RCPA employees. Yeah, got it. This is, this is all really good stuff. I do wonder how we can be better partners in helping to disseminate information and resources here as your city representatives. Yeah, we are happy to pass along some of our outreach materials like I mentioned we have training story and Chris do a great job with the workshop series. For example, like in my role, I coordinate with some of our CCs throughout the county's like for Sebastopol they have a very active CC and so we partnered with them to have a workshop hosted at their cultural community center it's actually going to be tomorrow. But things along the lines of that as well. We're coordinating through already established news channels is something we can work with. We have a video library on YouTube. So we're pretty famous. I can autograph. And then just kind of piggybacking can you also talk a little bit about your relationship to Sonoma clean power and any work that you might do with SCP. Do we need to talk about sure. So so we work very collaboratively with our CPA cards, SCP will just use all acronyms. Yeah, we work library across programs we promote their programs we make sure that we have uniform messaging which I think is the most important because there's so much information out there. So we coordinate on a quarterly basis, we meet together. We do they through their lead locally grant, I think our CPA and card both had a role in contracting out to provide certain services for them. So we do, we get a lot of referrals from Sonoma clean power for our consultations and things like that so they can go in and touch all of the things at the advanced energy center, and we turn send people over there. We have a do it yourself toolkit that we've created in collaboration with, and you can check it out at any library, we didn't talk about that I should have talked about that. It's a collaboration between card, these, the water agency Sonoma clean power and the libraries, and you can borrow a toolkit for up to three weeks with energy and water saving information and again guide book printed in both English and Spanish. It's great dynamic to it's like when we when I started in 2017 we had the fires and then we partnered with Sonoma clean power to promote the advanced energy rebuild program and help people understand how to meet those requirements when they were rebuilding. So it just it kind of works what you know as incentives are changing. We collaborate with them to make sure that we have the most current information. So, first, it sounds like they're in did a great job with the investment for the local government liaison. It sounds like they did a good job on that one, but I did have a question about getting feedback from the community. I know that you mentioned a goodwill I believe and Lucy and why those two and not other. There's others those others that we reached out to so Lucy and I work directly with them. It's, they have a big reach into the Hispanic community. So working through them and they cover youth, you know, for also. So it's, it's a good partnership there. Goodwill Industries. They have a really good workforce development program. And so coordination through theirs and a good client perspective and and again we're focusing on equity and goodwill purposes you know they're they're funding it and their focus is a lot towards the you know, equitable. So are you open to working with other agencies that you're working with. No, absolutely. Okay. I would love your suggestions on others to reach out to. Perfect. Also, I was, you wanted to know like what programs I love all the programs I'm happy that water is going to start looking into the program that they have, but I think all of them really could be beneficial to our residents and our businesses and supporting and helping them. So, do I get to choose like to, well, it was really like, what seems to stand out to you. There are some programs that have been going on for a little while and they have had the water, a water version of the water program and some new changes have just taken place. So we're going to look at whether or not that's a fit that'll work for us now. I think one of the things that I am looking to you all is. So what are some of your ideas about the different partnerships and avenues in which we can utilize to get the information out. Yeah, some thoughts about that. I guess there's some programs that stand out more than others or want to pursue really stuff. Staff will work with other departments and planning and wherever is appropriate to see what programs work best, but then. So I drew little hearts. So I'll show you. So they are in business. I'm not sure if we're doing anything with that program, but I think that it sounds great. And although the population may be small, I think it's a great population to reach out to to see how we can support. Of course, water upgrades. I think we're doing a great job. But if there is anything that we can do to to continue to help our, our constituents that would also be great. And then the refrigerant replacement program. I'll say that I have two refrigerators because I have a large family, but someone came out to look at my house and they're like, that refrigerator is using all your energy. I've got to get rid of that. Right. So this recently happened. And I just thought that that was like really great to have to have that program. So the burr burr sounds like a great program targeted decarbonization services. So I'm kind of testing incentive in the leveraging of grants. So just empowering people to kind of be in charge of what they're doing. I thought was great. I have a lot of hearts because you guys said a lot of things that I thought was like really cool. So, but I think as far as our programs are concerned. Those are the ones that really stuck out to me that I, I like, but I enjoyed hearing all of them. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions. No, do you think you need to be back or is it just kind of looking for feedback as far as staff and next directions and sort of areas of focus and opportunities for outreach and as you had mentioned to looking at where we're already doing something and then piggyback piggyback piggybacking on that kind of thing and forgetting the information out to the community. And that is of where you can think of that you worked with different programs that some of this information could really presented to the audience. I just add that last thing I'll turn it over to chair is that anywhere where we're getting a really good bang for our buck is I think the, you know, especially as we look at probably some difficult budget cycles. And by that I look at the buck being two different things one is our greenhouse gas buck so you know what what for staff time and and taxpayer dollars are we getting the most reduction. And then from like an equity lens, where are we reaching folks who might not otherwise have access to information and so those two bucks I think if you can. You either have to cut programs or had to enhance programs depending on whether you have a surplus or a deficit that's, that's the way that I would personally go about it. And that and also being mindful of existing infrastructure and not wanting to have to dismantle then reassemble programs. But it sounds like you all know what you're doing pretty well. I'm going to say something similar that I've had a dozen meetings in the last two days where every single one done the central theme was most local government budgets are going to be completely constrained for the next couple of years. So how can you either create packages that make it easier for folks to be able to do this for particularly local government programs, or how do you partner with people who are going to have funding. It's not just about cinema clean power, that's their ratepayers that are built in, and they have their programs, and they're they're charged that aligns perfectly with what our CPA is doing and Bayrun is doing and all of those sorts of focuses. Let's go to public comment on the item. Do you have anything you want to add. No, I think the team did a great job. Focus. Focus. Tony has many folks. All right, I'll bring it back then and just thank you so much for taking the time and being here and I think it'd be helpful. We'll be able to report out on this to our colleagues, be able to put things on social media but I think really it will be helpful when there's specific workshops or things that we can help highlight, whether it's through the city connections or through our own personal networks as well. I think that'd be great and then one more suggestion is just my way I view Santa Rosa is that it's a city made up of a whole bunch of pockets. And you have some fairly strong neighborhood associations, particularly the JC the West End, that getting in front of some of those folks and talking about programs that are available is to me and oftentimes untapped resource. They've done the work of organizing the people and just getting in front of them can have an impact. So it might be something worth thinking about. Yeah, thank you. Anything else. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. So we don't have the meeting. Yeah, so we've got our future agenda items. I'll let folks take a look at that if they want, as the mayor just reminded me not have a meeting in May. Partially that allows us to then recoup or recover after a budget season and talk about how we've allocated city priorities resources, staff time. But we'll get back to it after that. So June 5. Yes. So June 5. What we have on the calendar now is the GHG restriction strategy presentation and then also delight third will be council due to the holiday. Yep. That's right. Oh, that we are adjourned. Thanks everybody. Thank you. Thank you.