 All right. And now we're officially live and here we go at Mark. What is it? Mark's not here. All right. 9.01 AM here. So 8 AM Pacific, and this is the Microsoft Community Office hours. Myself, Christian Buckley. I'm here with Sean McDonough and Eric Riz, and we should have Hal and Mike should be showing up and maybe Neil. Maybe some more people. How's our new septuagenarian? He just had a birthday turned 70. Well, that's right. Wow. And he was going out to get some sort of Mexican meal for it or something. Maybe whatever he tweeted back to me or replied back to me. Apparently didn't go well because he's not here. Too hot to handle. We had some amazing Twitter. I had some amazing Twitter back, Buckley. I think you actually started it because there was some tweeting about the Microsoft 265 majority model. That's right. Yeah, that was all your fault. This is this. I did a tweet typo and put 265. If somebody is corrected, it's like, it should be 365. I'm like, 265, 365, whatever it takes. Yes, of course. That's fantastic. Between me, Gil Ronan, who else got in on it? It was a whole thing. Mark Anderson was in on it for a while. It was just a production and a half. So first, I said, well, we may overachieve an A for 465. And then there was mention of 365. And I said, we're only covering 66%. And then Mark talked about the percentage and it's 72.x. And it was just on hours of my day. We're lost last week because of it. Yeah. I just had, Vrosky and I, we're just talking about horse's end revival and doing something we're joking about that. Jeff and I usually, when we get going on Facebook or on a direct message on Twitter, we just go down that rat hole too of just obscure inside joke. Get to the point where we forget what we were talking about at the beginning. There were no obscure inside jokes in this last week. It was all relevant and contextual, I have to say. I think Vrosky lives an obscure joke land. I mean, he's a total regular resident, never comes down. Yeah. Well, he's evolving into a woodshop teacher slash maker slash. Metal creations as well. I was like, are you retired? Do you do actual work like tech job work stuff now? Or you're just doing woodworking. The New England is seeping into him finally. I mean, he's got his very crafty wife who does incredible things. And I think he's just trying to follow suit. Yeah. But yeah, he's created some incredible wood stuff. And then I think he's done some metal work. And it's like, maybe he's going, there's a place in southern Massachusetts called Old Sturbridge Village, which is a place you can go. And it's like they've got the iron workers and they've got everybody dressed up in olden days. And kind of everybody's living the, I don't even know what era of time it was, but it was lots of pewter and that sort of thing and all sorts of craftspeople. I think Vrosky is looking for a job transition sometime soon. So look for the move to southern Massachusetts along the Connecticut border. It's coming. Watch that. You have us from Connecticut. I'm from Connecticut too. I did not know that. Yeah. We'll hold on, guys. Where is it? You're from Connecticut? Whereabouts? True story. Born at Hartford Hospital. Living in St. Isbury. Okay. I was born in Norwalk and down in southwestern corner, metro New York area, just east of Greenwich and whatnot. And then spent some time in Noggettuck by Waterbury. So I've hopped around the state a bit. Yeah, you got around. I know what you're saying. So I've been told. Born and raised in Oakland, California. That explains a lot. Yeah, thank you. The obvious thing to say and actually explain. All right, hey, so we are going. So if you're watching the live stream, feel free to, what is that? Just random ding. I know what that thing was. Okay. That was the unmistakable ding of the Himmelstein. Was it? The microwave went off. Your hot pocket is ready, Eric. Yeah. So if you're watching the live stream. Hot pocket, okay. Hot pockets. If you have questions, feel free to ask them in the live stream. We're monitoring in a couple different places. And you can post them out to the Office 365 community out on Facebook. We're pulling questions from that community as well as the Microsoft Teams pages. And we've got quite a few to go through this morning. And I have some that I've, and I numbered them this time. Did you notice that? That was a great job. We're really evolving here as a people. I know. But I do have a couple of items queued up for Hal, so hopefully he joins us in a little bit here. But let me just make sure everything is, that's all going. All right. So let's just, let's jump into it and see what happens. So Mario, question number one. Mario has a question. When in the tenant, the main domain is changed. All links that I shared on channels, on Teams. Those preserves some old URL exists some way to fix this issue. I appreciate any kind of help or solution regards. I love the brevity of the question. The lack of punctuation makes it a little confusing. I think I need some more coffee because I read this three times. And each time I read the name as Marlon Brando. I don't know what happened. That's your takeaway from this. The coffee isn't strong enough. Usually I'd wait until the end of question four to mention this. Can you do a Marlon Brando interpretation? Can you do a reading of the question in the Marlon Brando? I don't have any marbles to shove in my mouth. I can't do that. That's one that I can't do and certainly would never do online and have it be recorded. I don't think it's going to help us with the question. I'm trying to ascertain when the main domain is changed. When the domain is changed in the tenant. All the links that have changed on Teams. Okay, so they added another domain to the tenant. Maybe you're using that instead. What I'm trying to understand is, I think it's a tenant problem. It's not a team's problem. I mean, I don't know that the one answer I would have that might approach something viable is I don't know that you're going to be able to change the URLs or fix those up. Because link fix up inside of SharePoint is a notorious problem. There's a variety of third party tools that attempt to do this and go varying levels deep. But if it's an issue of links going to an old domain, I would suggest a DNS fix and just set yourself up with a redirect, a garden redirect, for anything coming to that domain to the new one. So that's different angles on this question. But am I even thinking what you guys are thinking along the same line? So I'm trying to make heads or tails of this. And it seems like every time I read it, I think something else. Yeah, I think where you started was needing to have a little more information from Mario on that. My first thought was are you switching tenants? I don't think that's it. I think it was an actual change to the domain into that same team in the same location. If you've made changes to that, then obviously it doesn't auto-change any of the links in the URLs. Is it a relevant mocking that you were seeing? Oh, nice. Thank you, Rob Foster. That's hilarious. You rock. I think if you make any changes there, it, yeah, again, not sure about the specific example here. But essentially, you keep collaborating going forward. But it's still those links are back to that old domain. It's almost like you've frozen. You've archived in place those old links. Mario, I'm sorry, Eric. Go ahead. I can wait until question five or six if you want and just chime in. I just had one thing to add. Mario, if you do get back to us on this, a screenshot with pointers and whatnot would probably help us establish context a whole lot better than a written description. But go ahead, Riz. Thanks. I see the floor to Riz. The floor. The chair recognizes. I reclaim my time. I'd like to defer to anyway. What's our email address? Office hours at cloud.com. Yes. Yeah. So, Marlon, if you want to. If you don't appreciate that, I am doing intentionally. I know your name is Mario, but it's for our entertainment. He says it's intentional. He's trying to save face, Mario. Yeah, whatever works. I did already get some fanfare that very entertained by today's show. So, all good. Mario, if you want to drop an email with that information, screenshot, whatnot, I had a client who ran into this in February. And for the life of me, I wasn't involved in the fix. So for the life of me, I can't recall what we did. But if you email the group, I can respond and try to help you up. We'll track it down. Yeah, that's a great plug there again for the office hours at collabtalk.com. If there's any questions that we don't capture the day, we are responding to stuff all week long. So, feel free to drop them in. And if anything that we've not answered already during the week that we might add into the Monday's questions, and we're doing this every Monday at 8 a.m. and 6 p.m. Pacific. If they contacted us, slash you, with a specific question, and we're merely guiding towards the email address, is it actually considered a plug, or is it just this is how you contact us for more information? So, what do you think about the plug? You're making a mention. It was a mini advertisement for the email address. I'm just making a mess is what I'm making, but that's besides the plug. Yeah, it's Danger Noodle. Oh, yeah, let's do t-shirts. Well, you saw my past one which had the murder log with the crocodile. Yeah, this is part of the series, so it's a Danger Noodle. It's a snake. Yeah. It's cool. It's just more geek humor. I'm more in the gravy neck today. Would that be the plain solid gravy neck? Sure, yeah. It's a different kind of funny. Yes. I think this is more of a Heather, if you will, but she never admits it. That's all that matters. Yeah, true. All right, question number two from Nate. New to Teams. Question about Teams Live Events. Is it free? How can I test it out? Does it work well? And I know that's just kind of a generic question out there. I thought it was a good opportunity for us to share some of our experiences with using Live Events versus Teams. I've not tried it, so this is all you guys. Yeah, Eric, you want to go first? Sure. In there, done that. Not the most amazing experience with it. It was pretty choppy, difficult to work through. There's also a bit of a dependency on someone to sort of help out along the way, which Is it free? Well, free is anything Teams. I mean, you have to have those licenses in there. Free for a while. No cost on top or added. No. Yeah, so you can use it. But I think Eric, you had a similar path, but I just renewed yesterday, renewed my annual license for Zoom webinars. And there's a reason why I went ahead and paid for that. Do you want to share what that reason is or? No, it's deeply personal. So for what Eric, what you just said, I mean, it's choppy. I've had, it's a bit of a pain to do, especially when you're individual trying to run a webinar. It's best when there's a person producing and somebody that's just participating. If you have more than one presenter, it's a pain in the arse for relinquishing control and moving around. You lose the controls, you're constantly like, oh, it's gone again. Oh, I see them. Yeah, there's just, it's a bit of a mess that way. I always use the phrase not yet ready for primetime. It's acceptable if you're doing a broadcast out with a producer and a speaker or a single producer slash speaker out to an audience. But if you're trying to do something more interactive, then you either do it in a meeting, a team's meeting. If you're trying to do something that's with anonymous access and blast it out there, then I'm still going with a third party webinar platform. It's just more stable, the quality is higher. There are more features. And I would love to not have to pay that other bill and get it all in one. It's just, I need something that works today. Yeah, but I think you said a lot by saying that you opted for the annual subscription and not the month-to-month subscription because, I mean, if I put on my Microsoft app very quickly, which I don't actually have here, but I probably have a couple of landowners over there. Microsoft is throwing together two years of technology in two months. So the word is that they're working hard to get it to its next level of video conferencing and conference level platform. It's just not there yet. But I would say it's month-to-month, not year-to-year in terms of when I'd expect to be selling more solid because they know exactly which market they're trying to capture. They just haven't gotten there yet. I did the math. I look at when with Ignite coming up in the fiscal year and with the discount I got for the annual, there's a reason why I did that versus month-to-month when I think it's going to be ready. But it's one of those things that, even when I was a Microsoft employee over 10 years ago, I mean, I got yelled at occasionally for not dog-fooding because I was doing stuff that was client-facing and I got tired of my laptop quitting on me and things breaking in the middle of meetings. I'm like, I can't work like this. Like, I'm sorry. I know we're supposed to test things out and provide that feedback, but it was stopping me from getting work done. Because of dog-fooding is more to your relationship than it benefits from the use of the actual product. I know there's a lot of people that will do dog-fooding. They're two systems. They'll have their dog-fooding laptop in the one that they can fall back on. And I mean, as my primary workstation here, I just don't have that luxury to do that. And that's why I have a MacBook Pro. It's not a PC versus Mac. Restore. It's always a PC versus Mac store. Restore. I had a surface, two or three or whatever it was, completely overheat, blue screen and black screen and die while on stage in New York City a couple years ago. And that was the end of that. Yeah. I had to go from there to Barcelona for a different show. And it was not good. And he needed to get a new cup of coffee afterwards. You know, I'm not having any problems. I think I have a three. I've not had any problems. I mean, I know about people reporting those issues, not having any of those issues on my surface. I really like it. I had a Dell that I loved. And I was presenting in Melbourne. And the monitor went out and didn't come back on that. And it was the problem. We just did the format. It was a touchscreen folding, fold over screen. Love that device. But the video card, which was like welded onto the motherboard, went bad. And so what do you do? The only thing you do is because it's permanently adhered, you have to replace the laptop. And it was a beefy laptop and it was sad to see that thing go. It's actually, it's doing a second life right now. My son has got it down at college and is using it. It occasionally, the screen goes out. And so he, so he usually uses it at home with a second monitor. And so it's not an issue for that. If it goes out, it just needs to be shut completely and then opened up again and it will come back on. But not good for the road warrior device to have that. Something more reliable than that. On that, basically, I took a step forward. I shut the laptop and I just did my entire session without any visual aids probably. And you know what? It actually works. I did that Melbourne as well. And somebody said that that was, they said, I knew exactly what you're talking about. That was, yeah, it was a full room of me doing. I did the, I did the jokes. I did the, you know, like if you could see it here, you'd be looking at that and saying, yeah, that, that's awesome. And this was the slide where everyone threw dollar bills at me. Yes, I understand. That's the most incredible slide I've ever seen, Christian. And people cried, people, they wept in the audience. They were, yeah. So I'll get you right out of the gutter, man. Your face is way too red to be laughing at a regular joke. All right. So here's question number three. Joe or Joel or Joel. Joel says, anyone know of a URL that can take you to the Teams app in the browser to the org view for a person? Better yet, the org view for the person that is authenticated in the browser logged in says, I want to get to a my person card with the org tree displayed via a URL. Wow. That's, that's a question right there. I don't think there's a specific URL. I mean, you can check and see, but you still have to click to go into that. There's not a shortcut of URL that you could just share out. It's almost like you want to have a, you'd have to be logged into Teams, but you can share a URL. Oh, there's hell. Share a URL, it would just almost be a about me page. Just open up. Hey, Hal. Should we all sing or would that just be obnoxious? Well, it would be obnoxious, but that doesn't change the question. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, Hal. Oh, well, thank you. Yes. Joining the ranks of the sub-engineerians. Nice. Yeah. Don't know how to take that exactly. On the one hand, it's wow. On the other hand, it's wow, 70. I see, I see there was clearly an email that went out of blue shirts today, which no one copied me on. So thanks for that. At least you're part of the team. That's good. Yeah. Works for me. So to that question number three, if you want to figure out what URL is being actually sent to get what you're looking at, I mean, this is another case of, if you press F12 in your browser and you go over to the network tab, you'll see the request coming across a sent from Teams, assuming you are, of course, logged into Teams and you're looking at Teams in that browser. So that's one way to get at it. But that doesn't address the entire question. Yeah, will that, but will that display properly? I don't think it will. I think it's one of those, you know, internal mechanics. The only way you can get there is by being logged into it and then clicking over on that profile. Yeah, I've seen those. It's almost silver. It's silver light-esque in that way. Oh, God. Oh, you said the S word. Those of us who invested in silver light are still bitter. In any case, yeah, I've seen both types of URLs in Teams being used. They're the standalone URLs that have used without the Teams context around them will get you somewhere. But you're right, there are a lot of them that are kind of internal requests that then get interpreted through whatever framework is providing the Teams interface on the browser. So might work, might not work, but at least get you a little bit closer. Though I don't think you're going to get the answer you really are looking for. I don't think we're at that point where we can do that. Yeah. Yeah, I get the request too. I mean, it would be nice to be able to provide that as part of a response almost like an e-signature within Teams and have your profile card and just be able to click on that and pop that open. So I'd like to use it in that manner. I would go out to a user voice or any of the Microsoft feedback sites. If that's something you truly want, you may not be alone and somebody may have logged a user voice request. If not, you could start one. If you're not familiar with user voice, that is the tool that Microsoft uses in many cases to select and prioritize features for the next rev of a product. And oftentimes the product group or product manager for the specific product will be watching that forum and respond when they are doing something. For instance, if a feature is requested and they decide to work on it, they'll actually provide the feedback that they're working on it, that they've delivered it, etc. So it's a good place to go. And by the way, you just noticed it's a question further down, but I just switched the view of the live stream over into together mode. Do you guys feel more together now? It's not what you see. I'm asking, do you feel more together? When I clicked over, didn't you get the sense that kind of tingling, that shivering through the body, that something happened? What just happened? Yeah, with both you and Eric looking over my shoulder behind me, I'm tingling. Really? Yeah. Can I do that? There we go. Dude's kind of the rabbit ears behind it. Okay. All right. Let's jump to question number four. And again, feel if you're watching the live stream, how many questions to type it in, and we'll try to address those as well. So let's see. Question number four, Dan. When creating a new scheduled meeting and adding the team channel, it is for, I'm seeing select members or owners of the team being added as optional attendees. I'm not listing any individual as required or optional, but just attaching to the team channel. Can you think of how or why this is happening? It doesn't seem to follow any rhyme or reason. One meeting has only owners listed and not all of them. Another meeting has a single member along with the other owners. I'm not saying the pattern to hopefully lead me to why this is taking place. Are you trying to post these meetings in the same channel or multiple channels? I mean, who's the owner of the channel? What's the people, the groups that are allowed to see that? I suspect it's driven off that. Yeah, that was my first thought too. Is are you seeing different behavior from posting multiple meetings to the same channel is what John just said? Or because my first thought is the same thing. It's like, well, depending on who created the team and the channel, who the owners and admins are, that could determine what you're seeing there. I suspect Microsoft would call this a value add or a hidden feature. Since the behavior seems to kind of suggest that it is based on you're seeing members of the team. If I owned a team and I started a channel, I think I'd want to know if something were coming up with it. But depends on how you use teams. Well, so going in the way back time machine back to 2001, 2002, I was with a company called E2Open and we built a platform that was a hosted collaboration platform and our product was called Collaboration Manager. And one of the things that I loved, we did, we had WebEx integrated into our solution. And in our collaboration space, which was like a team space, team site, it did exactly this. If you went in, if there were the four of us that were in that collaboration space and I started a new meeting, it would automatically default add the four of us with a checkbox and I could then uncheck any, like we don't want Eric here, uncheck. And then immediately by email, invite other people to it. So it was very, very easy to add people. And I think that is, I believe that's the design that is supposed to act like that. But if that's not occurring, I mean, because what he's saying is that he's seeing sometimes, most of the owners but not all of them. So yeah, again, this is another one where the specifics and the details really do make a difference. But it feels like what you're saying Christian and what I've said specifically, that attempting to ascertain who it thinks should be invited to the meeting based on channel dynamics, team dynamics, things like that. Yeah, I'll have to look closer at that. Dan, if you watch the recording, if you have any other detail that you can provide and clarify, because I think if you are seeing a different mix of people being added for the same channel so you add two meetings and you're getting different people that are automatically added, then that would indicate yeah, there's something buggy going on. Not that Teams has never had a bug before. That's true. That's true. Not before Zoom, Eastern. I'm glad you specified Eastern here. Well, I didn't want everyone else to have a bad expectation set. Oh, that's right. Yeah, fair enough. All right, question five. Ollie asks, not seeing much said in communities about the maze ransomware vulnerability in Teams Updater, which Microsoft seems unable to solve as it's by design. Anyone who knows their stuff got views on this? I'm not up to date on it. Don't know what it is. I'm going to read about maze ransomware right now, because I'm not familiar with it. Yeah, right. There's so damn many exploits these. I don't know that you should be searching for that there, Sean. Are you suggesting that my security might be lax and that it would let something through Eric? Yeah, I am pretty much. At least you're straightforward. Yeah. So McAfee says maze ransomware, previously known in the community as Chacha ransomware. Discovered on May 29, 2019. Mangle, ransomware, we know what ransomware does. So lots of information about it. I'll put this in the chat window if you guys decide at some point you want to read about it. But for what it's worth, it's a 32-bit binary, which should, well, it depends. I was going to say on the 64-bit systems, it will limit your exposure somewhat if you're running. Anyway, we're not going to be able to make much progress on this right now. All right. Yes, we don't have a response. Okay, we'll add that to the list of to-dos as well. Task created in sign, Sean. Got it. All right. Six, Jeff, here's a question. Have about 300 users on Teams voice hosted by Microsoft? Oh, it's another voice one. So we'll all take a coffee break here. So if a user leaves the company, how can I forward the inbound calls from PSTN to someone else? I know it can be done in the client, but when the license is revoked, the forwarding will stop. I'm thinking a call queue would be an option, but it's not simple, since the user number needs to be changed to a service number, anyone have some ideas? Thanks in advance. I don't know if it's an option, but could they potentially temporarily reassign the license, make some changes, and then revoke them? I don't know of anything else. I'm just not a PSTN guy. Yeah. We're all great telephony folks here. As we talk about almost every week. We are staring off to his left in the distance, howl, taking drinks of coffee. I mean, yeah, we're really saying a lot right now. If you prefer, I can have my, I have three screens going here, so if you prefer, I can have that better. Check your phone setup. Or there's a phone module for certified IP phones in the event center, and there should be a configuration profile you can edit for that user. That's not a longer assigned to license. I do think it's a problem though. If you revoke the license and it's gone, and so it's not going to port that. So you have to change the state of that user to something that's, you know, an image that's paused, right? Yeah. Yeah, if that's you. But yeah, Jeff, we're about useless on this one. Sorry. I like to include a telephony question over there. One of these days we're going to be like, oh, I know it. I'm going to answer that one in, you know. Yeah. Well, I hope we have many, many future episodes because I think it's going to take a while. Yeah. Just like it takes to eat a chocodile. What? It takes a while to eat a chocodile. It takes a while to eat a chocodile. Oh, come on. I know what those are. You're of age. You shouldn't know that. I'm sorry. You know we only speak English here. Some of them. A chocodile is for those who speak chocolate. It takes a while to eat a chocodile. I don't know that reference. What is that? Chocodile is a product that was in the line of, it was like a chocolate twinkie, basically. And I just posted the advertisement from way back. Yeah, it's a chocolate-covered twinkie. I don't remember that at all. It's a twinkie. Wow. A fresh-covered twinkie. It takes a while to eat a chocodile. Right there. Wouldn't they pull those from production? Probably 19. Not that it matters. It's not that it matters. I mean, it's a twinkie. So they could have been in the late 70s when they stopped making them, and they're still packaged fresh, still out there. It's a twinkie after all. Yeah. I mean, they're still pulling them out of the old nuclear bunkers. Shelters and reselling them. For a tidy profit, I'm sure. All right. Let's jump to question number seven. Jorgen says we're going to have a Teams meeting with some form of a stage. Oh, this is an interesting question. This is a great one for a lot of the people that are doing in-person or hybrid events and leveraging the technology. So this might be, again, might be more of a discussion, may not have a firm answer on this, but we're going to have a Teams meeting with some form of stage. I need to have an external camera connected to the PC instead of using the built-in. Thinking like a camcorder. Anyone tried this? It's a team meeting and not live. Well, you don't need a full camcorder. You can do that, and there's some that'll connect. But like I have my device, I've got a Logitech. There's plenty that you could have a USB camera hooked up to. And I've done this on location with my Surface Pro and had an external camera and just used that and moved it around and actually walked around with the Wi-Fi. And using the camera and walking through the crowd. So there's also that, those devices with some people have these days, but it's about telephony. So we can answer that part. What is that man doing? Which man? You. Nothing. Just taking a picture. You're going to post this or at least show it. Yeah. My Logitech. When you hold it up in the together mode, you try to hold something up that's not your face and you disappear. Hmm. You're still not in the go. Okay. Well, anyway, I was showing a picture of my Logitech. You were showing nothing. Congratulations. I was attempting. There you go. Oh, yes, I see my missing head and everything. That's right. It's a nice, it's a feature. I see my missing head. I don't see my head. How about that? Any camera, any HD cam that you've got will suffice as a second camera or a first camera. It will team will pick it up by itself. It will actually use as your first camera, but it should be easy to configure and coordinate as far as your team is meeting those. We're all, I think we're all using external cameras. Yeah. Any camera can be the right camera. Yeah, the difficulty will then be, it's not the visual, but it will be the audio. Like anything, you have three for a good web video experience. There's the camera, there's the audio, and there's the lighting. And so with that kind of distance, you'll want a higher quality camera, but something that is, they've got for about 250 to 300 bucks, they've got the 4K cameras out now that will do a better job of picking up something like a live stage. You just want to make sure that it's well lit because they're naturally a little bit darker. It will come up grainier, but then the big issue will be the sound. Yeah, go with the directional mic, not an omnidirectional. Right. You don't want to be picking up everyone in the audience, you want to be picking up the speaker. I wonder how with some of the AI, how teams would react to that anyway, picking up the loud audio. So maybe even like a, if you've got the configuration for it, like a wireless mic. Yeah. I don't know what level of pre-processing it does, before it sends it out. I don't know if they've got that built into the team's client or not at this point. I'm sure somebody who's, I mean, any of you guys know? The other thing I was going to suggest to you is Christian, I know you through your various experiences of wiring in multiple feeds and everything and working with OBS, there might be some options to add additional feeds or swapping back and forth. It might give you a more, it might give you more control over the experience than just teams alone. Yeah, no, exactly. I think if you are just going straight teams, then you're going to have part of that, you know, the AI issues where it's doing a, you're increasingly doing a great job of filtering out all of that background noise. But when you want the background noise, when you're trying to capture a stage, then you have to be careful about what it's picking up. So having good mics in place. If you've got like a panel of people and they're all mic'd and there's an audience there, it's going to, you know, you'll still be able to hear those speakers that they're, you know, heard above the crowd. But I'm just not sure how teams out of the box will pick up, will handle that with that distance in place. So that's something that you want to test out. But OBS is an option. If you're not familiar with OBS, it's the, what was it? Open Broadcasting. Open Broadcasting. Open Broadcasting. Software, yeah. And there's a, you know, different flavors of it that are out there. I prefer the Streamlabs OBS. It's still free. It's built on that open source software, but they have improved upon it. So the out-of-the-box experience is better. But that's something. That was the magic bullet that got Christian to get this whole show row and going roll. Yeah. But it's something that you can use like I have my Surface Pro. So I have OBS loaded on that. I can have certain views set up. If you're going to switch back and forth between maybe a narrator, so somebody that's sitting back and asking questions and conversing with a panel that's sitting on a stage, for example, you might want to go back and forth with two different feeds or two different streams and audio and video setups for those two things. There's just a lot. It gives you many more options of doing a live event. Just speaking of this, it's kind of top of mind why I included it in the questions ears. So we have the North American Collaboration Summit coming up at the end of September in Branson, Missouri. So I'm helping Mark and team put on the virtual part of the hybrid event. So there'll be 150, 200 people that'll be there in Branson. I'm planning to go out there now. I was going to try and drive it. But the 19 to 20 hour drive one way, I think I'm going to fly. But anyway, we're going to be running all day long five or six tracks. And we're going to do it in a hybrid model. So we're going to have cameras in the rooms. We're going to have rooms within teams. And I'll be kind of monitoring and helping run those. And we're going to have people that are moderating in each of those spaces. And so we are also going to test out thoroughly this specific issue and find out firsthand what works. Because I just personally, I don't know. I was just thinking somebody who may have experience with teams with the stage and who could probably answer this question is Darryl Webster. So I know he's done a lot of playing with the audio and video settings and different formats with teams. And he may be able to have some specific advice on this. So we'll have to rope him in to see if there's anything else. Darryl as a service. Darryl as a service. Yeah, Darryl AAS on Twitter. All right. Let's see. How do we set up a meeting with Together Mode? Is there a minimum number of people? Says asks Tim Parkinson. Yep. Let's say so there's four of us. We're doing it together mode. Right. Minimums what? Two or three. I forget. I thought it was five initially. But they clearly they dropped it down because there's four. So definitely three and a half. Yeah, I'm done three. Yeah. So I think it's it must be three, three or more. And Hal just disappeared. We've upset Hal. Hal. Oh, he came back smaller. There he is. Oh, he's walking around. Yeah, he is. He's fishing for something. But it's yeah. So if there's two people on it, then where you see it, you can see this live stream you won't see in the recording. But up in the top bar with all of your options, you have the ellipses, the more actions. I'm able to toggle the Together Mode. So I can switch back over to the gallery mode. So you're seeing if you're watching the live stream or click on the Together Mode. So this is when you're doing a meeting. Some people have said, it's like, well, hey, I'm in Together Mode. This is great. Like I'm live streaming it. But what you're seeing is my screen. And so the Together Mode view is your view of that meeting. Some people don't want the Together Mode view. And so are any of you guys doing Together Mode or are you doing the regular? Okay. So I like this for the live stream, for what you're seeing in the feed. But everybody else sees the gallery mode. So this way. Yeah. I'm doing the Together Mode. It looks like you're looking back at the theater audience. So I'm sitting next to Sean. You're by me. Sitting in the back because of the trouble there. Yeah. Yeah. Right in between us and Eric is after the left slightly. I don't know about you, Hal, but it disturbs me that they're behind us rather than in front of us. Yeah, really. Trouble makers. Yeah. I think it goes by when you enter. No, it actually doesn't. I'm just kidding. It does scale based on the number of people. So you're not going to have, if there are four people in the room in Together Mode, then you're going to have sort of a close-up of, what, six or eight chairs and the people in it. If you have 10, 20, it's going to go back and you'll see a wider view with all the people. You really get the benefit when there's 30, 40 people in the room. I think it's a really nice feature. If you want to see it in action, I mean, you can see it. If you watch any of the NBA games that are going on right now where they have the giant screens around, they're playing in an empty arena and yet they've got the giant screens. And I would love to go in and participate in one of those. And, but yeah, yeah. Good times. All right. I think that was the best ever idea. I know it's better than the card game. Yeah, definitely. We're all wondering how they were going to do that with these, no fans in the stadiums. And I thought that was a really clever way of doing that. And of making that experience exclusive. So I don't know how you dial in and can participate there, but cool experience. All right. Sherilyn asks question number nine. Why does my outlook keep doing this and has the Microsoft Outlook contacting the server for information and then it just hangs there? Why does it keep doing that? Well, whoever is supplying the graphics or other. Well, for a while it is for a box. Well, you want to get your email, right? I mean, it's got to talk to the server to get that sometime and a persistent connection. I mean, oftentimes this will happen in the background. But, you know, if your tenant's running slow or there's web service issues or degradation, oftentimes it can spend for quite some time. And I know how. What's that? In my case, it's a particular sender. I've got the Fox restaurant group. That's the people that bring in seams to me. Zinburger and North Italia. And I don't know, they've got like humanary dropout is another one in there. Three or four or five, more of them. But because I'm because we eat there and I'm part of their rewards arrangement, I get emails from the all the time and barrier and invariably every one of them I get regardless of which particular restaurant and the chain. I always get the little square box saying Windows is contacting the server for information with the little green slider going back and forth. And this is simply because wherever whichever server those graphics, because it's always the graphics that come in in the message, the picture of the spaghetti or the picture of the wine glass full or the wine bottle or whatever. Those are what's hanging it up. And it's whatever server that Outlook has to go to to get those graphics that that particular server is slow. And any time you want Outlook is requesting data from an external source. And that slows the slower and responding. You're going to see that scene that morning. It is totally harmless. It's nothing to do with Outlook and everything to do with the internet between Outlook and where the source of the graphic or whatever embedded object or email message is requesting. And Sherilyn, this is an improvement over no visual feedback whatsoever. No information. Right. Yeah. In which case you probably shut Outlook down, reboot your system and get back into it and might have the same thing happen again. Yeah. It may still be missing. So maybe just talking a little thing. I'm getting stuff. Kind of a similar, similar issues. Before we start recording here, Sean and I were talking about the seeing a severe kind of anybody else who's experienced this with Facebook, with a severe lazy load on the pages. And that's why, you know, and it was serious enough where just I was like, well, is my system hung up? I'm not able to scroll down past, you know, four or five messages either on my own feed or any of the community pages. I refreshed the browser. I refreshed my machine to see if it was something on my side. As we discussed, like it was, then suddenly, you know, two minutes before we started here, suddenly it started working again. That sometimes it's just, you know, the serious load people, you know, it's Facebook people sharing pictures and videos and other crap. And it's just a lot to load. Yeah. For what it's worth, anybody who gets that that happens to get a real slowdown, if you're going to do a refresh, do a control F5 rather than hit F5 to refresh, because what that'll do is bust your cache and force a reload of all script resources and CSS sheets and everything. And oftentimes that'll get you around it quicker and more readily than just an F5 refresh, which just reissues the request for the page. Thanks. Still in the chair. All right. Thanks. All right. One, maybe two questions here, but question number 10. Carolyn asks, so she says, I created a tag for a subgroup of a team. When I went to use it, an error message popped up on the screen. In the post, it shows as red and bold. I checked with one of the people on the tag and they didn't get the pop-up mention. Is this a sync issue since the team is cloud-based? If anybody's experienced that, so creating the tag and assigning people to that tag, but when trying to use the tag, that's when she's saying the error message. And where's the tag getting created? In tags inside of teams. So you create it, you have the option to add people to it. So it's essentially like a mini DL to notify those people of that. But when she tries to use it, she's getting the red and bold pop-up and people are not seeing it. Well, when you create it through the client, it's doing that instantaneously out on the server as well, right? There's no caching on the client side that's happening with those tags. Yeah, so my first question, I don't know specifically, I'm not dug into this, but my first thought is that, well, something failed in the tag creation process that might cause that. There's no screen capture of the error. So Caroline, if you still see that and can capture a screen of it, you know, do a print screen and save the resulting image, you can either paste it into Word or some other application. There's also a bunch of tagging options in the Teams admin. You may want to check. So if you're a team owner or a team owner, you may not be able to manage the tag. That's a good suggestion. So yeah, I know that there's quite a few things out there about just management of tags. It looks like, I mean, there's different issues of people that are having problems that should be able to create tags and they can't that tags are created, but you can't add anybody to those. I'm looking for this specific one. It's failing to update the tagged list. That's what this sounds like. So I'm going out to roadmap right now to see if I can get anything here. Device tagging functionality, tagging by shifts, no, there's, these are all things that rolled out. Now one of them rolled out in the past, but I'm not seeing anything specifically. Yeah, and these two, these look like the same issue. The only advice coming in from Microsoft people is to log the issue. Yeah, so it sounds like it might be a bug that they're trying to nail down. Yeah, start with the permissions tags. That's the easiest place to start and figure out if you have permission to do it, you'll hold that and then go from there. Yeah, nine out of 10 times the problem and share point is permissions and the other one out of 10 time it's permissions. You just don't realize it. Well, it's also just kind of good advice. I know it's a pain in the butt to have to go and log a ticket or even for something that's missing, that's not a bug with a missing feature that's crucial to go in and search user voice and then created a user voice instance. But we need to get better as a community. We need to make sure we provide this feedback back to Microsoft. They don't know to fix it if they're not hearing about it. If they don't see, if they see it from one person, but it's something that all of us are seeing and they just see it from the one person, they're not going to prioritize it as high. So they need to have that feedback. As we talked about last week, as Neil kind of shared from the product team standpoint, if there's five, 10 or more people that have voted up on a user voice then Microsoft will respond formally. So the best thing to do is you experience something like this. If you don't find a user voice to create an item there is to then send it out to the community, share it with people in your organization so that they all go in and vote it up and then Microsoft will formally respond to those things. But at the very least, open a support ticket for something like this. Yeah, another resource for whatever it's worth. And I posted the link is SharePoint Stack Exchange. If you're not familiar with the stack forums that have existed forever for primarily for developers. They're kind of places people can ask questions, get answers and it's gamified so that good answers get points and those people get voted up and you get to understand the pecking order. But this is the type of question somebody might also drop in someplace like SharePoint Stack Exchange and you might get eyeballs on it. There's always the Twitter hashtags too. I don't know. Is there a teams counterpart to the SharePoint tag SP help? That's a great question. I don't know. Teams help. If not, you can always do a hashtag teams help and you might get somewhere. But SP help is one that a lot of people passively look at every now and then and that will pop up and you might get eyeballs on the question that you might not get otherwise. Yeah. Well, now that all that stuff is under a teeper, then you can kind of hack that system by tagging SP help. We know someone will look at it and pass it over to their teams counterpart. Or just reach out to Jeff directly. He likes that. Or that. He's such a nice guy that he would probably respond. Yes, and he might. Provide you with Bill Bear's email and personal cell phone. Don't poke the troll. Bill still bears the scars of when I wouldn't leave him alone. No, we always talk to talk about that. Where he'd be like, no, no problem. Give out my names. Like, you know, Bill and he'll respond if he knows the answer. If it's the right thing or he'll push it out to somebody. He's great about the community stuff, but things that aren't related to what he does now since he's kind of changed roles. Now I share it just to be funny. Spam him. I never do that, Bill. So he could hate on you the next time he sees you. I never do that. All right. Well, gentlemen, we are at the top of the hour. We're out of time. But thanks a lot, everybody, for participating. And we'll be back at 6 p.m. Pacific. Well, except for Eric. He needs his 12 hours of beauty sleep. So he'll be back next week. He'll not work. One of these weeks, I'm going to surprise everybody and show up at 8. And no one will be here. Yeah, that's right. But if there's anything else, Eric, any input on the questions that we already covered? You'll send our way, but we'll make sure to include it in. And again, if you have any questions you'd like us to try and address, we'll be back again tonight. But we'll do it via email. You can send those to officehoursatcollabtalk.com. And we'll continue posting to the Office 365 community out on Facebook and the Microsoft Teams community out on Facebook. And we'll screen scrape questions from those two communities as well. So thank you, everybody. I'm going to go jump to my next call. And we'll see you this evening. Take care, everyone. Thanks. And on and on. On and on and on. Your cruelty, Christian, knows no bounds. Just so you know, it's a little bit, it's like 85 and I'm whining and complaining. I hate the heat. And so my wife is just like, if it's a little bit warm, it's like guaranteed Christian will complain about it. You're like, ah. Get your skirt. Yeah. All right. Hang on. I'm going to push that stuff live. Just saying. And I would like for the record it to be known that I am here on time tonight. Yes, congrats. A brownie point. Can't claim it all. Yeah, I can't claim it all happen again. But you know. All right, let me let me start this watch party. And that goes out to the public. Get that up in the background. Mm-hmm. Christian started a watch party. Yeah, that's on my page. You're going to take the only place. I'm going to share that in a group. There it is. You want to get the little icon on Facebook with a popcorn bucket? Yeah. You know, I have one of those popcorn. My wife bought me this. I'm a huge popcorn guy. And so she bought me this porcelain big popcorn bowl, movie bowl thing. And surprise, man, I've had it for close to a decade and it's not broken yet. Of course, now that I've just said that out loud this weekend. Yeah, tempting fate. Yeah, I know your popcorn guy. When we went to see Ghost in the Shell out on the West Coast. There you go. You went back for another bucket. I've watched that a couple times. No, I can eat my body weight in popcorn. No problem. I believe that. Yeah. Hey, we're live for this real quick. Those of you watching, we're live streaming. We're up in live. So thanks for coming in and watching. This is the Microsoft Community Office Hours. This is part two of Episode 22, our 22nd week in a row of sitting on here babbling. Hot charts. Part two. Yeah. Christian Buckley, Sean McDonough, Hal Hostetler, Cass of Thousands behind the scenes. He didn't say thousands of what folks, but. No, no, just Cass of Thousands. Well, clearly they're all like miniatures. Cans on the top shelf of that. Yeah, I've not organized that yet. Yeah. What else do you do with all those things? Honestly, a couple of the ones that are the pure, like the aluminum ones that have the carabiners, they're out in the camping equipment. And the rest of them are like, I don't use them, because I've got my no sweat giant mug thing. And so I came up with that idea. I've not organized them yet. You'll get there. My daughter the other day was like, I'm going to go get a new water bottle. I said, you're going to do no such thing. We've got an entire cabinet in the kitchen of nothing but water bottles from every SharePoint event and technology conference in existence. Yeah, I was going through, my wife and I have been going through and sorting through the garage. And we did the ultimatum with the kids, like come and get your crap out of our garage or we're giving it to the thrift store. And I found two waterproof bags that are vendor bags. There's a live tiles and is it a RENCOR? Or so anyway, two of them. And I'm like camping gear. And then those aluminum flasks are awesome camping gears. I think I have a K2 and a Nintex competing water flasks out in bags now. That's a good flight behind the scenes. So I love that kind of stuff. And I think I have like a metallogics pocket knife or something. And just anyway, yeah, I gravitate towards the free camping gear. Yeah, why not? Yeah, it's going to be useful swag. So we have, I think I looking at the Office 365 community page on Facebook, the Microsoft Teams group on Facebook. I think there's only one, maybe two new questions that have been asked over the course of the day. If somebody watching one of the live streams has a question, would like us to attempt to tackle those questions, just as long as you don't ask about telephony. Yeah, PSTN or three letters we're not real good with. Yeah, I'm aware of, I admire those problems. I don't have an answer. I'm a big fan, big user PSTN. And it's Cousin ESPN. Hey, Sean, were you able to find out anything about that? I'm looking for the question here. No, I've still got the link open on my desktop. The maze ransomware maze. Yeah, I did a lot of op code assembly code. McAfee really does a big job of sharing this stuff out. Yeah, I know nothing about that issue. Didn't experience it. I saw it and I just, I think in my head, I go towards sci-fi and fantasy books. I start thinking maze runner, crappy movie, excellent books. Have you seen Cube? No. It's an old beef lick of sorts. Look it up, it's a bunch of people, a handful of people get caught in this. Cube? Well, it starts out, they get there, they don't know how they're there, they wake up, they don't know what's going on. And each, there are on each of the six walls, there's a door that can open up and do another area like their own. It's a series of interconnected cubes. Most of them have traps, they have different, there's a system to it. And the one guy who is on the autism spectrum ends up giving them answers relating to primes and primes of primes and all these different numbers. And it's an interesting movie, it's a novel concept. I wouldn't call it a good movie, but it's worth watching at least once. I've got it on my Plex too, so. Escape Room meets Portal, the game. Yeah, sort of, yeah. In a manner of speaking. Yeah, I still have this little list here, I'm going to go look them up, but those movies that I talked about last week, Predestination and Time Lapse. Yeah, I watch, I enjoy some of those time travel type, interesting stories. I just watched the one where, I don't know the actor's name, he was in the new Star Wars, he was like the commander of the giant, the Death Planet, the Starkiller base. The red-haired actor, that guy, the skinny guy. Oh, yeah, I know who you're talking about. Yeah. Anyway, so he's in one where he learns from his father that he can time travel, and only the males in the family can time travel by going into a dark place like a closet, closing your eyes and with your fists at your side, clenching the fists, and thinking of where you want to go, what time, backwards in time, and you're instantly there. Huh. So they get a lot of men teleporting out of the toilet in the bathroom, huh? Yeah, well, they go and they screw something up, and they basically can go back and repeat and fix it. Yes, yes. We've had this conversation I know we have about what superpower would you want to have, and there's a downside to every superpower, and like teleportation, it sounds fantastic, except that everywhere you appear, you're buck naked, so only you travel, not anything on you. So it's a terminator style teleportation. Yeah, you can fly, but only at the same speed that you can move yourself on land. So like a power. Five miles an hour, five to six miles an hour. Semi, not quite superpowers. Noteworthy powers, I guess we'll call them. Noteworthy powers. Uniquely noteworthy. I still have the, yeah. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. No, I was just going to bring us back around. I was looking over some of the other questions. We left off with number 10. We stopped at 10, yep. Yeah, we stopped at 10, which was the... That would put us at 11. All right. In base 10, yes. Yeah, from Mirko. Having some trouble with conditional access. Reason, every device is double in the list as A.D. Reg I.D. turd, registered. Registered and A.D. hybrid joined. I thought I was registered. I just want to make sure A.D. hybrid joined. What is the best way to prevent this? Oh, I've not done any real conditional access troubleshooting. That's when we'll have to take away. Unless, Hal, you're leading a double life. Some of us are barely guilty of leading a single life. There's a couple of these questions that I put together, and I think, hey, I think we're going to have Neil here. I'm sure Neil would know. Mike would probably have an idea on this, too. Yeah, that's true. Mike didn't show up. He must still be enjoying the post-vacation. Remember he was out for the week. Yeah, that's right. I know before that he had a bit of a vertigo going on. Yeah, but I think the vacation is probably paying the price for taking the time off as I catch up still. Yeah, taking the time off is less about taking time off and more about delaying everything going on. You buy yourself a gap that you pay for doubly. Which stinks. Well, question 12. Hey, Sean, you hang out with the PNP folks, don't you? Yeah. Yeah, has anybody used getPNP group for a site and SharePoint to get all the groups in SharePoint? So it turns a lot of garbage. I've used a number of the getPNP commandlets. They function a little weird, depending on one thing that this really depends. I know these depend significantly on whether it's SharePoint online or SharePoint on-prem. Because the commandlets in SharePoint PNP online don't necessarily work the way they did on-prem. I know this from I was trying to write a script to get alerts for all the users in a site. And I wrote a script that would build a list of compile a list of all the libraries and lists in the site. And then it would get a list of the users and then find the overlap and give you a CSV export, which could then be used to do things like recreate the lists. And I tested it in SharePoint 2019 on-prem, SharePoint online. And the farm I had to run it against was 2013. And it did not work. And after looking at the find print for the commandlets, it was dependent on the on-prem version. The necessary endpoints aren't exposed that early in SharePoint. It was only with 2016 that they came around. So getPNP group, so we're saying for a site, I've not had to use that specifically, but it functions like all the other ones. Well, the last part of his question, too, being able to filter that? Yeah, so it kind of depends on how he's running it. There's just getPNP group returns all SharePoint groups in a site. Let me actually go into, I've got a SharePoint VM open. Let me go out to... So talk amongst yourselves as I'm poking away at this. How's it going, Hal? Talk amongst yourselves. And one of them was salt peanut. Well, we'll just add this to my list of things to do. Yeah, add another Sean task on that. Yeah, I was looking to see if I could find something I don't see anything else. Yeah, it's really just a matter of running it and see what gets dumped out. They generally dump things in a fairly common form up. But since there's a whole bunch of different people that work on that, there are small differences in how they operate depending on who wrote the supporting code for it. But we'll figure this out. Well, the next question is not really a question. It's more of a statement, somebody pointing something out, but Peter says it appears and attested that once you add a guest to a team, they have the ability to start direct chats with any internal user or any guest in any other team on that tenant. So long as they know their email address. How is this not a security hole? Well, somebody's added to a team. I assume it's an external user. By adding them to a team, they become a guest in the tenant. Then they have the if they know the email address, then they can have a chat with the person. So it would be up to whoever's administering that tenant to enforce some restrictions on guest users. So I don't know that that's necessarily a security gap per se. I know it feels like one, but whenever you add somebody to use a service that's not a member of that tenant, they're assuming you're coming from a guest account, they're going to get added as an external guest in Active Directory for that domain. So that's going to confer certain benefits. When they get added to Active Directory, there's no restriction at that time saying this is only a team's user. They should not be able to email somebody. You have to enforce a policy to make that happen. And you've got the tools in Active Directory to do that, so it comes down to letting an admin know and maybe being a friendly guest and just letting them know what might be going on. Yeah. So right now, I don't believe there's a way that you can block chat. So if they're going through the naming convention, if your naming convention is for your alias's first initial last name type thing, and they then reach out to Bill Gates through that, and there's no way that you can go in there and block that. Bill can always not accept the chat, not acknowledge it, but I don't believe you can block. But isn't it all or nothing turning on the chat capability? Can you block an individual from chatting or stop, I should say? I don't know. I've not tried to futz around with any of the controls on that at any time recently. In my experience as being a guest in the Microsoft unit, if I'm in my own turn and joining a meeting over there, I don't have chat. That has changed recently though, I must admit. It used to be if you're in your own tenant and you went to the Microsoft guest tenant for meeting of some sort, you would not only not have chat, you wouldn't have emojis. And that has changed as of the last new client that I got. Yeah, I know they keep going back and forth on this because the limitation on chat was inadvertently affecting a whole lot of people who wanted to participate and should have been able to participate in different meetings. But since they didn't sign in with the right account, they either didn't have access or could view, but not make any contribution. So maybe it swung the other way. With what you're saying, Hal, I tend to agree with that. Let's see. I don't see anything new, but I'm continuing to look. But the last update that I see from July last year, so a year ago, is that, yeah, it's still the all or nothing for the chat capabilities. So looking somewhere else. But yeah, I'm popping open as your active directory, seeing if I can walk anything out. Yeah, users. Let's see. I've got some external users in my... Yeah, it looks like there's a couple of user voice items that are at least one. Here is dealing with this. Look at that. I want to see specifically what it says. This is another great example. We mentioned this this morning, but having a request, I think this is a good feature to be able to go in and block an individual or block by domain or be great to block by an individual if you have somebody who's abusing the chat. If you want to enable chat for only specific, say, hey, guess by default, cannot chat except for these people, things like that. I think that is worthy of a user voice entry. Yeah, it says allow user to block specific contacts while being able to stay online for others. That's the item that's in user voice. A lot of commentary around it. I think that's poorly worded, but again, I get the idea. Yeah, let me post a link to that. If anybody's interested in going in and taking a look at that commenting, there's over 250 comments there. I didn't drill down to see if Microsoft responded to anything, but it doesn't look like it. Well, in Azure Active Directory, there are external collaboration settings within user management, and they're not as granular as what we're talking about here. They're more broad stroke because they've got to go across workloads, so it's not specific to chat. So get anybody watching the live stream. If you have any questions, like this, tackle it. Feel free to write them in. Otherwise, we'll see if there's something there. No, that's just us chatting. That's just us chatting. I think I did a double entry there. All right, so here's number 14. Andy says help. That's always a great way to start off. Question. Microsoft has flagged my forms as phishing attempts. The systems tell me that my form cannot be distributed. I use these to collect client information that flows into a spreadsheet. It tells me to see my admin. I am my admin. I love those. See yourself. This is one of those moments where you need to go into the bathroom or wherever there's a large mirror and look directly at yourself and empower yourself to make a change in your life because darn it, you're special. I am my admin. How do I inform Microsoft that this is legit? Ticket, open a ticket, support. If you've been flagged, if you're domain, if you've been seen as spamming lists, then that's the conversation you need to have because they'll be able to unlock your account. If they don't approve of the steps or the method that you're using, just something to remember is that the tools out of the box, it's not meant for mass emails and Microsoft will flag it again. Andy, I would be prepared for a tough conversation because the behavior, like Christian said, I assume you're trying to send these to a lot of people, and you'll probably have a conversation with Microsoft that it's borderline spamming behavior, especially if it's being sent to a bunch of unsolicited people. You, I suspect, might have to find a different system to do this, but put it in as a request, a support request, and see where that goes. Yeah, that's the kind of thing that's why a lot of people that use a third-party mail automation tool, and there's a lot of... They don't want their domains blacklisted. Right, and there are some good ones that are out there, MailChimp, which a lot of people use. I use something that I think is priced about the same, has more functionality, but is an active campaign. The other thing you won't be seeing here, Andy, and this is actually a good canary in the coal mine. Microsoft is going to be... With the phone, by the way, the police. Sorry. Okay, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, so damn you, Christian. Get my mind off track. In any case, Microsoft is flagging you now, and so they see it, and you've got to resolve it with them. Even if you could do this, there are a whole bunch of downstream email services and providers that would see incoming email and the numbers that you're sending from the domain that you're sending from, and you would end up blacklisted with them and maybe not even know it. People would just stop getting email from you, and so besides the forms, anything else you're trying to send, potential clients and whatnot, suddenly they may not get it. It's definitely worth, like Christian said, the third-party route. Let somebody else get their hands in their domains dirty. That's what they do all day, and that's what you pay them to do for you. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if there were... I mean, there's certainly... Microsoft has the ability to go in and also flag and email a profile, say, hey, here's kind of a special case. They do this on a regular basis. It's approved and not throttle you, but it's not likely in the case of email. They watch that pretty closely. Okay, I found it. You found it. I'm sure you're jamming to it. All right, that's from the classic police albums in Yadamandada. So, all right. I want to have that setup, like the radio guys that have those repeated clips go on the sound effects. That's what I want the stream deck to be for me, and it hasn't worked out at that delay, that 30-second delay with my sound effects. Yeah, what I open up here is that the... Like, it just hit the button. We'll see. Did you hear that at all? I don't have the system sound setup, so yeah. Yeah, I heard a little something. Yeah, it's not been a high enough priority for me to remember to go and do that. I'll put that as a task to myself. Oh, you're getting a task? Yeah. Can I give you some paper, maybe a pen? I think I heard that come across on the broadcast. What, the music? Oh yeah, I heard your earlier ones come across on the... Because I've got the delay on the Facebook watch playing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Let's see. Next question here. Robin Ann Pollard. Shared her first post. Welcome Robin. Robin Ann. Needing help with Offsets 5 E3 teams recordings. Based in Cape Town, South Africa, and according to Microsoft Support, Stream is not supported in South Africa, which I find hard to believe as at least three other organizations I deal with can, and as they can record their meetings. Yeah, and two new data centers down there. Come on. What's going on down there? What is the work around? How do we fix this? Let's get Al's Tracy on the line. Yeah, honestly, I didn't realize that Stream was unavailable. It's limited geographic deployment. I didn't know that. We're going to our South African think tank. Cal. Oh, okay. So I'm looking at the availability. No, that's telephony stuff. I don't care about that. Clearly. We'll keep drilling that one. Yeah, I'll have to dig and find the regional info. Um, yeah, we'll have to look. Actually, let me just shoot a quick email over to see if one of them is online here. Yeah. Order an unreliable help service and even less reliable out of region. At least today. Yeah, come on. How are you keeping score? I think we're batting pretty poorly. I blame Halle. He's not talking enough. Too quiet. You make yourself a target. We have to be nice. Halle's under the heat down there, so it does suck out a lot of your energy, too. All right. And I CC the office hours. Oh, by the way, if you have questions, you can email us as well, office hours at collabtalk.com. We're equally as useless. Yeah. We can, we can not answer your questions in a number of formats. Yes. So numerous fronts and in multiple. Well, it's Tuesday morning there just about so they, they might be online early and might jump in. Tracy is this early? What is it over there? The eight hours plus six. Yeah. I want to say so for me that's it's going to be 10. Is it that much plus six? I only we had a source of all worldly knowledge in our fingertips. I'm sorry GMT plus two. Seven hours ahead. So I'm still still a bit early there. All right. So we will, we'll come back to that. I wouldn't be surprised just because they might as it was a delayed for like a year over a year. The two new data centers in South Africa. And I thought it was basically making, you know, South Africa going to the hub for services. I think the data center that South Africa was served out of prior to that was out of the UK or out of Ireland. They got of Ireland. Makes sense to start up a data center down there. Yep. And so they did, they launched the two. Yeah, it was actually trying to, we were trying to coordinate to have aligned with the opening with Tepr's travel to try and have them down there and and do some events. And, and yeah, I don't think the timing worked out for everybody, but big deal. All right. Let's jump to number 16. Matic says, today I noticed my shared mailbox is not synced in Outlook 365 anymore. Last mail is almost a month old. Everything looks okay on the web. Any ideas? Why would it not sync? So he's saying is local client? Not syncing it okay on the web? Check your internet connection. Is that what you're saying first? Yes. Connectivity would be one of the online tools that you could use for that. Also, the support and recovery assistant, both of those full-check connections sort of stuff. Now that probably would come out all right if he's getting the rest of his mail. So unless something happened at the shared mail box itself, as in everybody's got to have specific permissions, that might be the first place to look. Yeah, there's some some things. We talked something like some similar problems with Outlook last week. And some of the things that first comes to mind is, you know, is it looking at the client versus the web version? Is there a difference between those? Can you see this? Do you have a shared calendar? Can you see the kids are calendar items updating, but you're just not receiving emails because those could identify different problems, but obviously something that's not coming through clearly. Yeah, Hal mentioned the recovery assistant and the support tool. I have used them as well, and they do a wonderful job. I posted a link in the chat window. That might be one you want to include in the show notes as well. The other thing you might try just because things get out of whack pretty often for me because I've got so many different email accounts. Just try dropping that account in Outlook. Reboot your system, add it back, and see if you suddenly are synchronizing. You know, if worse comes to worse, if you're not, you know, if there's nothing too valuable that you're worried about losing in terms of configuration or whatnot. I could build dates and say just rebuild your OST and all these sorts of things, but really that's overkill these days. You think of the rate of change that comes across with all of the constant updates? I mean, it's not surprising that something gets out of whack once in a while, and you just need to be, you know, check a few different places. I mean, that's the first thing I always do automatically is I look for those differences between you know, the web versus browser versions of tools, turn things off and on again. It's amazing how that helps things. But yeah, but then, yeah, a lot of the cleanup tools will go in and just find those little breaks in logic, something that just got tweaked with an update and writes the wrong and fixes it. But yeah, odd scenarios. They have a way of happening. And if that doesn't solve it, take off and nuke the site from work. The only way to be sure. I just was going to say that maybe it's time that you don't, that you stop participating in that shared group. They're trying to tell you something. Rise above it. Move beyond it. Be professional. Just, you know, don't do what we do. Just sometimes you're just now wanted. Just just move forward with your life. Oh man, you're an inspiration. We got a couple more. It should be like a project management, you know, 101, like secrets of project management. Sometimes I just don't want to do those projects. I just delete the plan off my system out of sight out of mind. Yeah, a couple more. So number 17, Hassan says, does anyone use teams with AWS? All Microsoft Teams invitations sent to AWS mail are not active. As you can see below the, we don't have it below, we don't have it here, but no hyperlink to join the meeting. It, yeah, I forgot to attach it there. It offers only to accept or refuse the invitation. With any other mail service, the invitation link is active. And once you click on it, you can join the meeting directly. Yeah, so I'm not used it with AWS, but if it's. I assume my expectation is that's the, so AWS, I assume they've got their own web mail destination, probably has to do with link handling, default link handling. Because, you know, if it's, if you're getting your AWS mail in the Outlook client, the links are the links are the links. I mean, you click on it opens. So I'm thinking this is the AWS mail client or site. So you may try that with, send one of those AWS mails originated there, send it to an Outlook address or Gmail account. And see if you can open it there, something like that. And just, you know, as a way to try and nail down what might be the root cause. Futs around. That's the official advice. That would be in the book as well. The second half. Futs around. There's a whole section on futsig around. Chapter seven. And then chapter eight would be defutsing. Okay, you screwed it up. Too much futsing. Get the defutsing spray and pull out of back you. It's like a detangler. Yeah, see how well that detangler worked for Sean. He had long golden locks before that detangler. Too much futsing. You know, my career started in hair care that tells you something. Yeah, I saw that picture. You posted the one on Facebook with the mom post and you had hair. Yeah, I did have hair. I was, yeah, I was going to comment. It was kind of a touching thing. I didn't want to then poke fun and be like, you know, Sean, don't be alarmed. There's something on your head. I don't know what it is. I held back. I'm glad I didn't say that. And that's saying something. That's impressive. Yeah, just just now I said something. All right, question 18, perution. So we're adding value. We're so much value today. And this is one question, but two. Two questions. And this person's hoping that someone can point in the right direction. I have 20 users in my company that use the office 365 package package. However, there are a few of them that are on the business basic package. So this doesn't come with the office apps. However, that's the web only. SQ, however, they have their office package installed already on their laptops. So that is the reason they are on the basic platform when they are in outlook. And then they try to create new teams meetings using the Microsoft Teams add in from the calendar screen to get an error. We couldn't schedule the meeting. Please try again later. I have updated the teams app and their office apps to the latest updates and still encounter this issue. So they have people who went back business basic. I have a bunch of people. I have one tenant that I maintain for a nonprofit that I'm CTO for. And we are on business basic. And I have had to upgrade a handful of people to E3 just so they can get those client apps. But I'm not sure when they are in outlook. So there is one thing that I did experience. I don't know if it will solve resolve on this, but something to try. So we saw that people had the newer version or they updated the larger SKU or they had the right software installed. However, in admin console, their profiles, they still had the old licenses assigned. And so that would be the first thing that I would go and check is to make sure that they have the right license assigned. Yeah, just buying another set of licenses will not automatically because I had to do the exact same thing with the people. And installing the newer software doesn't automatically switch that over. The admin still has to go and assign the licenses. We had that exact sort of thing that happened. My wife went to work for a real estate company. And she got basically an E1 license out of that web only. Because on that machine and have a user profile as well, I've got basically Microsoft 365 and I'm running the insider fast channel. So it's the latest and greatest of everything, fully licensed and all that. But she was not able to connect. It simply would not let her. So that's a permissions issue. Her license likely would have to be upgraded and then I'd been from E1 to E3 or 5 or whatever would happen to be required for those. I believe the idea would be an E3. Yeah, as of the show, who knows if we'll have an E3 next week. I remember the E4. Seriously, E4. Had all kinds of skews. I'm waiting for the E3.5 Pro version. Yeah. The super secret E3.5 version. Let's look at part two of the question. Some users that are not assigned an Office 365 license in our company are only required to use teams for meetings. When trying to add them to meetings, we cannot invite them. How do we sign a free teams license to their email address? A free teams license. Okay, well, they're not going to show up in your tenant. I mean, you can have an account, but if they don't have a license to assign to them, they might as well not exist for purposes of adding and behavior and anything else. I know we recently, one of the problems we had is somebody had a policy assigned to them and removed from the company and something needed to be changed. And, you know, how do you change it for somebody who's been deprovisioned? Well, or they didn't have a license assigned. They need a license. I mean, maybe this is my ignorance, a free teams license. Yeah, there's the free version of Microsoft Teams. It kind of works like Slack did in the early days. Meaning the first person in an organization to go and sign up for the free program is the like the limited admin capability has some control over that. What it's not clear is, so if you've got, you know, so half the organization and half are using the free, whether you still need to go into AD and create, you know, guest users, create those profiles. Well, so it sounds like they want to try and interact. They want to give them a license automatically, give them some kind of guest pro, some kind of profiles or credentials for credentials in the organization. Well, yeah, any, any sort of license, you know, E135, any of the basic business licenses, any of those will get you an active directory profile, an Azure AD profile. Which then, in such, they should be inviteable in the teams under that organization, I would certainly think. Yeah, you can invite anybody with an email address. They don't need to have teams or not. They can click on that and join via the browser. Right, well, here's the thing. If you do not have a license assigned to you, if you don't have a license assigned to you, you can be in the, you will have a profile in Azure Active Directory, but without any sort of license, people aren't going to be able to interact with your account for purposes of, you know, business interactions. Because I mean, those business interactions presume a license and somebody is, has access to the same sort of tools that you do. So if you've got, I mean, for instance, I've got admin accounts that I created in some of my tenants, back when the admin tools were not multi-factor aware yet. The solution to that was anybody who wanted to attach to a tenant with PowerShell needed to create a separate account without MFA enabled. Doesn't need to be licensed. I can use it to sign in, but nothing else can interact with it. So I see that in Azure Active Directory, it's there. And if I wanted to, I could assign a license to it and perhaps start using it for things, but that, that's not its purpose. Have we made this messy enough yet? Clear as mud, Sean. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just looking through, and I'm not, honestly, I've not played with the free versions. I don't know all of the caveats. I was looking to see if I could find, yeah, because I'm trying to remember it was a while back. So who knows what's changed, but it's a year and a half ago or something. Invited somebody that didn't have teams. So I actually created the meeting first, and I went through Outlook and added external users who then joined via the web. I didn't remember any problems around that scenario. They showed up. Okay. So I don't know if you've seen this, but I've got this, how do I get access to Microsoft Teams link? It offers a number of questions. I'll put this in the chat window once I find it. Loosing things under my desktop here. So, oh, here we go. Sorry. Yeah, in this case, they're in the same organization, but they don't have licenses. Would they be viewed as an external user? Correct? Yeah, they have to be added. So the very first question here is, I don't have a Microsoft 365 account. How do I access Microsoft Teams? If you use Microsoft Teams, you need a Microsoft 365 account with the appropriate Microsoft 365 license plan listed. Talk to your ITs, company ITs administrators to get that account. They get to, this was me looking for free licensing, and this is what came back. So it's nothing else that has a few jump off points. If you're the IT admin, here's the information you need to enable the app and configure things correctly. So a lot of it revolves around licensing, which is what we're talking about here. Yeah. So yeah, at a minimum, for much of the interaction within the Office 365 admin planes and whatnot, you need an account in Azure AD, and then you need some sort of license assigned to you to be able to interact with the workloads in any capacity. So barring that license assignment, I'm not sure what the alternative is. Yeah. We'll have to do a little more digging around this. I thought I would treat them essentially like an external user. So you just need to make sure that it's an admin. You go in, make sure that your site is, your team is enabled for guest access, and then you go and can invite them. And yeah, you've got to create the user profiles and then invite them. Then you can see them. Of course, you can always do what I mentioned is you can create the meeting and then go via Outlook and invite them, email, invite only, and send that out as well. But honestly, yeah, just I've not interacted at all with the free client to know if there's any other step that we're missing here. I can go and dig on that one. I'm interested in knowing. Yeah. This is funny. So they're talking about Microsoft 365 subscriptions and they mentioned the Enterprise E4 for anyone who purchased this plan prior to its retirement. What was that? What was it before? So when they went to E1, E3, E5, they got rid of the E4. And the E4 had some of the. Oh man, we're going back. I want to say that it had some of the new telephony type capabilities that were coming out. This is way back at that point. So we're talking quite some time ago. Actually, let me ask. Let's see. When did Microsoft. Microsoft. Tire E4. June 13, 2016. So four years ago. Yeah, especially in this realm. Four years might as well be a lifetime. Yeah, by the way, Riz almost made it to the tonight's meeting. He was he's awake enough that he responded when we were talking about South Africa services. And he said for streaming South Africa, he says, yeah, that question wasn't clear to me. No mention of licensing for the other clients. And I have some questions about E3 that aren't clear. She says can record and sites Microsoft saying not supported. That doesn't mean not available. So yeah, not supported, not available. That's a good point. It could be there and could be something to do with their organization, not necessarily the service available in country. But as I said, and so thanks Eric for almost being helpful. But reached out to Tracy and Alistair and see if they could fill us in on. We love you, Eric. Brutality. Oh, he knows. Brutality. Just, you know, Eric, hashtag ice cream, hashtag basement. Insight joke. We don't even remember the the genesis of those fake hashtags, but yes, no, actually I do. I remember everything about it. We got a few minutes left. I don't see any other questions posted. If there's anybody, we've got six, seven minutes left. Anything else going on? Anything else going on this week, gents? Exciting. The subsisting. Online events happening. Yeah, what are you going to do with like, you have all this time that's opened up now that you're not building your computer? I am still putting some things back together, but it's yeah, they will open up, but I'm getting caught up on all the things I put off to build the computer. You know, it's like that whole vacation thing, but not really a vacation. So I've got I feel like I'm right there with you because I swapped out. I had some, you know, fans that were making noises. I swapped out three of them with fans that light up. So now just the whole half my office glows green. So it's nice. Yeah, it's nice. Christian, I think you will appreciate this. You're you're Merse, the man purse. This is a bag. Yes, it is a bag. Oh wait, there's more. Full of DVDs. Oh, nice. Blue rays. I went nuts when I went to. Nice. Best buy. Yeah. So coming to a plus near you soon. My wife, as we were cleaning out the garage, I have, I think, I don't know, I have about 2,500 CDs. And so there are these, the, you know, the plastic Costco boxes that were out on the shelves that she's like, why don't you just go rip all of these and, you know, to which I did, did that with my eyebrows. Like, yeah, I've got time for that. She's like, why don't you rip them? Then you can get rid of these and sell them. I'm like, OK, one, you know, there's a lot of them. There's no the street value is not there. It's the it's music. It's and so like it's stuff that I absolutely love. Oh, John is going to join us. Would you even have the storage space for him? No, it's not today. The data. Oh, but for the shelves. John there. I let him in, but I don't know where he is. All right. Sorry. What were you saying? I was saying for whatever form the files take after you rip it. No, I still no, I don't. So that's part of it. But the other I mean, I do want to go through. There's I'd say a third of my collection is not available on any of the streaming services. I mean, as you know, it's it's it's frustrating about movies. I went I constantly going and searching and I still have an idea for an app that searches across the major services. And this is an app that's missing. Why doesn't somebody build it? Don't tell me it exists because it doesn't. I've looked. But where you go to one place and search for a movie and it comes up and it says, hey, it's here on Amazon. I click once and it then logs me in and I can go and then start watching it. I just want, you know, something that like if I go to if I find it, it says, hey, it's available on Hulu and Amazon and Netflix. Like, yeah, but it's all they're all paid. Like, tell me no, it's not available. Um, you know, put it down in a separate category for for purchase or for streaming, you know, with with with purchase. But I want to know specifically because I'm a, you know, paid user of Netflix, Hulu and and Prime and a couple other services. Thank goodness we got rid of the old cable bill. Transform. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel I feel transformed. But I want one app where I can go and search for a movie. It comes up and it says, hey, look, you can purchase it on Amazon. You can purchase it through Hulu, but you get it. It's it's available this month on Netflix and then click on it and it will then go to a login screen or automatic already have me logged in authenticated and and I start watching it. I mean, why does that app not exist? The APIs are available. You can go, you know, for each of those services to find out what's available. I'll give you a very simple answer. Yes. Licensing. Licensing to be able to do that to even search. No, to make the content. Nobody's going to build it just so you can search. They're going to build a search engine to support a service or some thing they can make money on. And you know what the state of licensing is in the music industry and the movies. It's yeah, abysmal. I went through the process years ago for ripping all my CDs though. So I I do know, you know, nowadays, especially with this. This was before PCs were quite so quick. I would just be doing work and I would pop them in and pop them in. And yeah, it's you can get through because I've got. I'm like, I did the same cities. Yeah, I have a couple terabytes of music. Yeah. Yeah, that's on this machine now. And and now that I have since all of my CDs are in crates. And I occasionally I rediscovered that. Oh, yeah, I've got those those albums recorded and I'll find them. Of course, it's not as high quality as I would do now. But they're there and I'll go and I'll search and find some obscure thing that's still not available on any service. But even mainstream artists that I like like Duran Duran, there's three albums that are that are not there because they switched labels a couple of times when they kind of, you know, lost their their coolness for there for a while. But they're hip. They're now or at least yesterday. Yeah, but yeah, so that's that's something I'll do. Maybe I'll do that over the weekend. I'll rip all 2500 of them and have about there about the same time you. Rip all those movies. Yeah, it's it'll be a little bit of a project. Good night. All right. Well, gentlemen, we're at the we're at the time. The time the other time. Morris Day and the. So I sure hope we help somebody today out of these two hours. It's if that's a long shot, man. I feel pretty proud week after week. Like we know that we were able to go in. We know a lot of the answers. But today was just kind of an off day for us. Man, if only the person who picked the questions chose a little more carefully. Yeah, or if if. Yeah, or or Riz showed up. Or yeah, yeah, Riz. Frickin Riz. You abandoned. He's not. Yeah, hell in a hand. Ask it. I did think about that, though. I there were some that I specifically put on there and I thought, you know, I'm sure none of us know Neil will know. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah. Anyway, can't show up. So I blame Riz and Neil. Yeah. Well, for what it's worth, I think it's a sound strategy. It just means we're, you know, unless we have a full compliment. We're not. We don't stand a fighting chance of getting everything on the list. But we can take a crack at it and have fun doing so. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we entertained ourselves and that's really at the end of the day. That's all that matters. You know, so for those that haven't seen. So we I will go through tomorrow and I'll have both of the videos combined. So we'll be back next Monday for the live sessions, the live streams at 8 a.m. and 6 p.m. Pacific. But I'll have tomorrow, tomorrow afternoon evening. I got to do some work during the day. But we'll compile those together. You can find that out on YouTube and the collab talk YouTube page. You can also go to buckleyplanet.com and you can see all the 21 episodes that are currently out there and every one of them I go through and painstakingly go through and do a link list of every topic that we cover across two hours and provide link. So you don't have to watch two hours of video. You can. We encourage it. You know, remember office hours or office hours at collab talk.com. Yep. For other questions. Hal, what were you saying? I said stays over a hot editor he does. Yes. That's right. No, it's it's actually it's not that bad. I use child labor to put it together. So it works out. Yeah. Yeah. And then we just kidding. Learned some lessons from Kathy Gifford. Yeah. Too soon, I think. Under the flyers. Out of respect for Regis, we should not beat up on Kathy. Yeah, I did hear about Regis. That was too bad. Yeah. So that's what I need next to baby Yoda. I need like a little Regis. Philbin statue. So yeah. All right. We're going away now. Yeah, not bad like yeah on the Regis note. All right. Thanks a lot guys. We'll see you later. Wonderful week. Everyone. Bye. Bye. Bye.