 So these readers were sitting around kind of joking and laughing about how these biotechnologists were going to stick any gene into rice and I was here in part to learn as much as I could and to get ideas as to what the foundation might invest in. So I was sitting there too and I said, well, what's your favorite gene then? These guys say they can stick any gene into rice and make it do what they want it to do. If you guys, these breeders could do that, what would be your favorite gene? And Neil Rudker, who was a breeder of UC Davis at that particular time, kind of took the lead and he pointed to each one of them. He said, yeah, what's your favorite gene? And they went around and most of them were not surprising, you know, last resistance. That's what my favorite gene would be, or drug tolerance. But finally we got around to Pete Jennings. And just a little bit of background, Pete Jennings was the actual Rockefeller Foundation employee who attended initially to Erie and then to Sewhats, but was really a Rockefeller Foundation employee for, well, until he retired from the foundation. He continued to work after that, but for 30-some years I think. And he had been the first breeder at Erie and actually made the initial cross that led to IR8. And he had then left Erie after several years, went to Sewhats and developed most of the rice varieties that are grown in Latin America today, or at least the breeding lines that led to those varieties. So Pete was already talking about, and so I was listening very intently to what he was going to say. And he said yellow embers burn, which didn't make any sense to me because I didn't know anything about why yellow embers burn would be an attractive or desirable trait. So I said, why? What is this? And I think some of the other breeders that were there kind of responded in the same way, yellow embers burn. And Pete went on to explain that he had recognized that vitamin A deficiency was a serious problem throughout Asia and particularly in rice-consuming populations because there was no pro-vitamin A but a carotene in rice. And particularly children, when they're being reamed, are fed a rule which is made up almost totally of rice and therefore often lack vitamin A and then suffer either the direct consequences, but it also makes them susceptible to diseases as well. So he explained that and made a lot of sense to me. And when I went back, my job was to begin thinking about how we put together programs to address each of these traits. But I've heard when he put his priorities together, yellow embers burn was very difficult for him to put into a system because there was no yield for a gone. His method required that. So he tried to develop a way of pricing what yellow embers burn might allow in the sense of not having to provide supplementation and fortification programs. So he was able to build that into his priorities and it did become one of our priority traits.