 Oanna's in-league will have condemned the Shoot at Sight order given to Nigerian soldiers in the South East. They advised the federal government to seek possible peaceful options, that are the only solution to guarantee national unity and peaceful coexistence. The group lamented that sub-national consciousness or ethnocentric nationalism, which is a dangerous form of nationalism, to national unity, has taken over Nigeria. Also a former governor of Annambra Estate, Peter Albi, has alleged that a present governor in the South East is plotting to blackmail him. Well joining us to have this conversation is former president of O'Hane Zindibu, FCT chapta o dozi mwy o dozi and political analyst Francis Chilaca. Thank you very much gentlemen for joining us. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to start with you Odozi. I'm going to make reference to what's been happening in Imol State first and foremost. We saw that video of prisoners who were released in the middle of the night. We saw the videos of police stations being burned and ransacked. We've also seen many more videos coming from Imol State. We've seen the situation in the South East and of course ESN versus the government. It's a potpory of issues in the South East. O'Hane Zindibu is out here today saying Mr President has to look for peaceful ways of dealing with the issue. Why all of a sudden is the South East some sort of a hotbed? Thank you. I'm good evening viewers. But each issue in the South East today is very, very sad. And the way security is dilapidating in the South East is very disheartening. And it's unfortunate that a place that used to be very peaceful is suddenly falling into a theater of the Absurd. Just two months ago we saw the sad incidents of invasions of the police headquarters and the correctional facilities in O'Hane State. And unfortunately people came to blame it on the group of self-determination activists, the iPod and the security wing called ESN. But this group has come out to say openly that they are not involved in the sad incidents. And there are videos which are being called, but people will say that this video should be made public. These people that came to do this, to commit this Enos Act, we are under run about, if you know where they run about, the window run about is just opposite the government house and they were there singing for over an hour. If you know him who stayed very well, you know that the obvious military controlment is not far. In fact, it's 11, 10 minutes drive from the military controlment to that spot. And on their way to Onitsha, just before being arrested, you have a military police squadron there. Why wasn't security called up? And now you're blaming it on some people. And I think we shouldn't pin it on anybody. It's a wrong notion to pin it on any group or individual at this point. I'm sorry to comment. Why do you think that they're not involved? Yes, I'm sorry. Why do you think that they're pinning it on ESN or iPod? Why do you think that the government is so certain that ESN or iPod is responsible for this? Because you're saying that they're being wrongly accused. Let's take it from the blonder of the former IHGP who fortunately, as he was committing that blonder, was flushed out of the system. He would have an investigation which is against international best standards. The man came up to say that iPod did this. Does that make sense from the viewpoint of investigative policing? It doesn't. It doesn't show intelligence. So it's a clear thing that these guys have said we didn't do it. And somebody just came out in less than eight hours after this sad incident to say these guys did it. I think we should look beyond this. We should look towards getting to know the root cause of what is happening in the southeast. Is somebody somewhere trying to inflight with the southeast? Is somebody somewhere interested in making the southeast a place of robles? Is somebody somewhere trying to make the southeast desolate? If this question was fine answers, then we'll come back to the current to the site order by the president through the chief of army staff from Agitados in the southeast. I don't think it's the best way for us. Nigeria at this point in time. The west African subject on the Sahel down the Sahel today. They're having a lot of crisis. And we shouldn't ignite more crisis by inciting, by giving an order as soon as it stays. OK. The best way, just as George Bambasadoby also have to apply, is to look for ways that will bring amicable resolution to whatever is a crisis. It is simple. Seize marginalisation. Come in with fair play and justice. And you'll see things get to their normal. I think everything will come to normal. Let's leave it at that. Let me go to Francis. Francis, let's talk about the issue of the ESN. When the issue of Ibubu Agul came up when the governors of the southeast came together to bring out that outfit, which is more like a paramilitary organisation, they're also like a vigilante association, just like we have in the southwest and of course in the north, a militia of sorts. There was a statement from iPops saying that the government was trying to recruit these men to spy on members of IPOB. And if they were going to be sending them as spies that they should be ready to meet their maker. Now statements such as this could also make the government or security agencies feel that maybe the IPOB or ESN are not really there in the interest of the people. This has been about the ESN, the groundwork agitation framework, therefore a new agreement. It is a result of a continuous net of the southeast, part of bad government that starts from the president's point of view, down to the state, down to the local government. I would like to see it in my policy. That is why I am looking at the money. We are the government responsible for the action. We do not have that kind of thing to do. I am so sorry Francis. I am so sorry. Your connection is really bad. We are unable to hear you. So I am going to go back to Modozi again until we are able to establish a connection with you. Modozi, I want to ask you the same question I just asked him. I am sure you heard me with the statement that came from IPOB and ESN. When Mubago was put together by the Southeast Governors to deal with the issue of insecurity in their region, IPOB had said that the government was setting up these guys as spies to come spy on them, and that if they were coming as spies they should be ready to meet their maker. Of course that spells some form of violence. Is that not one of the reasons why security agencies would be having them on their watch list? Right, thank you sister. I will ask your question. I will come rhetorically to ask you one. How many of the members of the Abu Dhabi have you seen being followed by the IPOB or ESN? None. As you talk now, these guys came up, ESN came up as a result of the inability, unwillingness of the leaders of the Southeast to come up with a security approach to the prevailing issue of kidnapping, of heinous murder, of rape of women, of invasion of land in the Southeast. That was why this ESN came up and decried one of the people of the Southeast over the years calling on the governor to call up this security, his imaginary security. But now the governors of the Southeast have come, have been awake to their responsibilities and have brought you a Bubeagu. Why should a Bubeagu? If you're real interested, and please don't get me wrong, if the real interest of the ESN was to protect the people of the Southeast because their governors were not alive to their responsibility, now the governments have become alive to their responsibility. Why would a Bubeagu become a threat of sorts to you, instead of aligning with them to work for the betterment of your people if really that was the core mandate in the first place? Okay, good. In as much as I'm not being a spokesman for ESN or IPOB. Well, it sounds like it. It is natural that for a space that has been left open for quite some time and somebody is filling that space. I think what the governor should have done at that material time when they came up with this, the Bubeagu issue, was very likely to not have a wide consultation beyond IPOB, beyond ESN. They should have got it a wider consultation. Not just making it a cost team, not just making it a friend's team, not making it an elite club team. At this point, the people need to know what is happening and the way the governors of the South East have acted before them has made them suspects. You don't blame the ESN. You don't blame the IPOB people for making that threat. But good enough, they know their limit. They've made threats and they will not do it because the loss of one Igbo soul means a lot to Igbo generations. They will not do it. It's the sound of warning. It's the sound of this pleasure. They were speaking the mind of the populace. They were speaking the mind of the people on the streets. So, now that we have a shoot at sight order... However, I think that if Bagu goes on, you'll see how he passes out. Well, going forward, now we have a shoot at sight order by the president. We also have governors who have united to bring Igbo Bubeagu, but then there's an increasing attack on security outlets and security agencies. It's even spilled into river states, which has caused Governor Wike to have a dust to done curfew. What should be done in the states across the states in the South East to bring some form of reconciliation and peace, to bring some form of, I don't know, unity amongst the people because it seems to be too many voices. Of course, Sohanese is also speaking about the fact that there is a huge deployment, according to you, of Northern soldiers to the South East. Do you think that this is a problem? It's a big problem. You see, sending a massive number of troops into the South East is by every standard threatening. By every standard is threatening. It gives the people their needs. I think what the government should do, other than war, war, they should judge on. I think at this stage, what the government needs is consultation, consultation, consultation. Delibration. Come down from your high horse. Talk to these people. They are your citizens. They are your citizens. Dialogue with them. Know what the agitation is all about. Know why they are aggrieved. Know why they are pained. Don't look at anybody as if this person is lesser than you. No matter your strength. And no matter the credibility of your personality. The young person out there might have one or two points against you. They might know one or two of your weaknesses. Let us not get this thing wrong. Let us dialogue. I'm happy to be with the thousand governors met today in Asaba. They came up with an issue that let the need to dialogue at the national level. I'm such a woman today. I'm sitting for dialogue. Nigeria at the stage with dialogue. As for what is happening in river states, it's unfortunate that our brother used to wiki out of his... I don't know how to put it. Gleded himself into this. He said, you've been forced to buy him anything. But what you've done is that doesn't concern a lot of your partners. I'm sorry to say that. People know I'm especially here. This is why I want to stand up to the government. Gleded himself into this. My brothers told someone a different kind of description of Serined Living Corrections had. I don't have an ugdom between the women. My스 견. Dwi'n ardauch i'n ffordd o ran yw ysgolio. Mae'r ffordd o'r rhannu a'r rhannu i'w ddweud yn dweud. Mae o ddod i ddweud i ddod i'w ddweud o'r hanes yma wedi'i'n iawn i'r edrychi Adysol Ddweud i ni'n dweud i chi. Mae'n ffordd o ddweud i chi i ddweud i chi. Mae'n ddweud i chi i ddweud i chi.