 order 602. First on the agenda is to prove the agenda or make any amendments. I know that the EIC committee, even though they are listed first for the agenda, they've asked for an appointment at seven. I don't know if really it makes a difference. So we give them an appointment at seven or if they're first on the agenda, because it's going to be the same order. Yeah. So when Christy shows up, I just leave it the same. We can always jump around to accommodate Christy. But I mean, they had asked for seven. And I mean, at this point, they're either going to open the door at this point. They're either going last in the appointments or they're going first on the agenda, which is going to be the same time. So exactly. All right. I don't know. I just said that beeping noise is the burglar alarm. Equity and inclusion. Equity and inclusion. So don't worry about it. Nobody's changing anything. We're going to we were just thinking to make it easy for the agenda. We just leave it alone. Yeah. You guys go with that. All in favor. We're going to love that noise by the end of the night. Paul, just nod your head tonight. Yeah. All right. All right. So first we have talk about the Pleasant Street sidewalk project. So let Therese. So we will enter. This is Chris Lathrop from Du Bois and King. So this is like we're remembered. This is Lindley Brainerd. This is chair Chris Jarvis. Denise Gilmette. This is Julie. She's taken the minutes for us. We're missing two members. One is MIA and the other one should hopefully is come on Zoom. So and then of course, Rita Cito from Two Rivers is our municipal project manager for the sidewalk. And then I think we all these lovely people are here for the sidewalk. So that's great. So so can we put that up? Yep, I will. Now that Peter told me how we're we're good. Otherwise, no can do. All right. Let's see if it works. That's a great sidewalk project. See, how do I read it? How do I make us go away? Thank God, Rita's here. How do I get rid of? Oh, is it under there? That's yep. That's perfect. And then I can slide up and down like this to make him a bit better for Chris. Now, I guess. Oh, yeah. That's as good as I can do, I think that's Finn's going to have to work to work. Finn can work as much instead of like good. So the purpose of the meeting is to solicit any local concerns of the project. But before you switch the slide. Oh, there's more. Well, no, I know, I just don't. Maybe just enter or the down there. Oh, you're OK. There you go. Enter. He's right. Again. OK, so, like I said, the purpose of the meeting is really to just solicit any concerns about the projects. But before we do that, let's give a brief project overview of a project background, talk through the project development process that comes along with the federal funding that this project has and then ask for any comments and concerns and any further questions to the projects. Um, starts at Sandhill Road. Whoops, there it is. Whoops. I think you could just hit the enter. I'm pretty sure. So this is 12 A Church Street. We're just around the corner here. Sandhill Road and 12 A heading north. So the project is going to start at Sandhill Road and continue down to the school. More. So continues along the west side of the sidewalk. There is a, as you all know, is an existing sidewalk that's in disrepair and is also very narrow. So that's one of the reasons you want to replace it. Get it a little bit wider. Five foot is normally the minimum sidewalk width. Um, and rebuild the curb down through there so it has a proper vertical, um, safety for the cars. Also, we'll be looking at potentially moving the crosswalk from its current location across from the Lotto, potentially down into the former Valley Motor Sales area. So that's the project extent. So again, as you all know, there's an existing bituminous sidewalk. It is very narrow. It's in four shape. There's an existing, there's two actually existing retaining walls. At least one of those is showing signs of movement and tipping towards the road. The town applied for and was awarded a fiscal year 2022 V Trans Bicycle and Pedestrian Federal Grant, which you were awarded. And then the town has since contracted with Du Bois and King to design and build the project. So what I'm showing here is with with the federal funding comes all kinds of bells and whistles that you have to follow. And this is the project flow chart. The project was selected. It was approved to proceed. And then then we were selected as the designers. And then one of the first steps is tonight, the local concerns meeting, where we again solicit any concerns, thoughts of the project area and things that should be addressed. Moving forward, I won't go through all of it, but one of the next steps after tonight will take your your information, your concerns will develop a purpose and need statement that the state has to approve. Once that is approved by them, we can move into alternatives where we'll provide a couple of different alternatives for the sidewalk down through there and we'll be back. We'll come back and we'll present those alternatives. And ultimately, the town will decide which alternative to go for. And once that's approved, we move into the design process, which takes many steps, including environmental permitting right away and several design steps along the way. Next slide. So I guess I would start if you have any questions on what I did go over. And then you can, you know, let us know. I know some of you live along there, so I'm sure you have concerns or thoughts on what should happen. Mm hmm. The crosswalks, the downhill crosswalks. Do they get changed or do they get there's because the triangle there is that that crosswalk is slightly weird, but also there's not really crosswalk. I don't think because the start, the sidewalk project starts in front of John Giffords House. So the, you know, remember where that's all funky right there. I don't think it included that. I think that it just started the side of the straight. Right. I think it just starts at Sand Hill. Yeah. So I wondered if we did do some new things. I don't know if you noticed, but I think it's just a little bit of a sign up. Yeah, we did do some new things. I don't know if you noticed, we put up some signage there just recently. We trimmed branches going to when you cut across and you could take a right. We've had four instances where someone has gone straight through onto the person's property, so we put up a big yellow sign has two arrows. We also reinstalled apparently some of the car accident there at some point. And there was like route number signs, like it looks like the state had done. But once they got taken down. So we just put those back up to to try to make the intersectional safer. But you're right, it's it's a mess. And we may be able to look at that when we redo Sand Hill in the spring. We'll have to take a look at that, like painting a crosswalk and that sort of thing. We'll see what's within the scope of that project that we got the money for from the federal earmark. So it is cumbersome. Any of that. What can we do? They could be even possible some food in the area. So, yeah, OK, OK. Mary Ellen, and I live at 57 Pleasant Street is my house. And this is Seth. She has a big wall. I have a big wall. It's all that I have. Then I'm like answering my question email, which is really helpful. And I don't want to waste other people's time. But I'm just wondering, again, just for more clarification on what when we get to that phase, what that's going to look like is as they're going to be like a lot of stuff in my front yard for four years. And you know, that sort of thing. And I thought my dog likes to poop. I don't think that out there to be aware of. And you've got to be in the park. I don't know what to do. And obviously, we have to throw alternatives. But, you know, I think the anticipated what we anticipate doing is a five foot sidewalk there that obviously needs to remove the existing wall and push it back a couple of feet. So during construction, there will obviously be disruption to the to the lawn. But it shouldn't take more than, you know, weeks to months. Yes, during the right, exactly. And to this part of that is, you know, obviously, once we're outside of our right of way, we will be working on, you know, we would approach, obviously, to get an easement, either a construction easement or permanent easement. I looked at your deed and I was trying to figure out what if there was ever an easement there? Like who owns the wall? I was always trying to. But it wasn't. He won't. Yeah, that's that. I'm just so happy to check that. Yeah, I'm assuming that too. But I was like trying to find something where it, you know, it said something, but I couldn't. But obviously any, you know, during construction, any disruption, but we would also, whether we needed a temporary construction easement from any one of you or a permanent construction easement, where we are once we are out of our right of way, you know, we we can't just go willy nilly dig about. So we will be approaching you if we need a construction easement temporary or permanent to come back and maintain. So we certainly will, you know, approach you and look at that legally. So but and then if the once a construction is done, I think that part of the bid and Chris will kind of show you that is it will be seated, it'll be put back. It'll be, you know, and I didn't come back to anything to your lawn after they drilled because we flooded it. And then I I drove by the other day. I'm like, oh, like, well, hopefully she would have emailed if there was a big hole up there. So I'm not. But it will be put back and then, but we don't know what design that will be. Whether it's going to be block or there's options. Have less impact and probably the most costly cost effective too. So but we are we're not there yet. And one other thing that we've already noticed that will have to be addressing is how to protect your trees during during construction. Just so I understand the scope of the project, it's just it's widening the sidewalk and replacing that all. But the road's not widening, right? I mean, okay, right. And there's nothing happening on the other side, right? Not. Yeah. No, no, no, no, that's me. No, we did talk about we were reading out. We're trying to look to see if we could shift so that could we shift the road to get our five feet. But then, you know, your monkey would be trans and that's difficult. But then the other side of the road in sections is not conducive for us to add, you know, to lean that way. So, um, so we had to, you know, look at the alternatives. And then obviously standing at your wall, you don't realize so you're right there. How much it's really leaning in the little kids who walk on it. Probably notice it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, moving over them. OK, we're 173 Pleasant Street. So you're going to wipe the sidewalk. How much of our lawn is that going to take? I mean, we have trees there. Is that going to get you, you do. So you live at the Yellow House at the end post of GW. Yes. Yes. And that's the smaller one. We have no. She had the wall. I guess she has the wall. We don't have so she has. So you don't have any wall in front of you. No, it's just on the line. Just walk down to the side. But yeah, they do have the one. They're the ones with the big tree. Yeah, it's a big tree. It's so close. So I mean, just to make it happen, we're going to be wide and we're going to be wide. And that's at least a small level of panel beyond that. And then slow it back up for me wherever you're going to be. Oh, we know. Be the intent. So we have, we haven't got there yet to get to Simon. Is it possible to go around the tree so to make up just a little narrow space where the tree is or without making a post-fire for me? Right. So to the top. It comes up to 18, I would assume. And I don't know if it would just crack because of the tree as the roots grow or whatever. But we will have another meeting when we get to see designs. Right. And we can certainly, you know, we're going to talk more about it. Yes. But when 80 to 80 percent of you can cut down to 36 inches for a shorter period. And it would show up here. Yeah. You know, there's not much size up there. Right. Yeah. So, you know, we can't go the whole distance. And Chris is saying, you know, if we have to sum it down, we'll look at it. But they have, they've really just fairly started. I mean, they did some boring stuff. But certainly, you know, we'll do the other thing. Once we have a design, then we'll all have something to look at. Yeah. And if you're like me, I like visual aids. I want to know that's what I'm looking at. So then we'll be able to have some input and see how people feel about it. Obviously, once we're outside of our right of way, I can't come and do anything to you or your tree or your lawn without, you know, your permission. So we'll certainly work with you to make sure everybody's happy. Absolutely. Does this construction have affect the entrance to the red zone? No, no. So during construction, all your driveways should, you should remain, you should have access during construction. Yeah. So in the, you know, kind of back up, we've been helping out on the first leg of this. But so, you know, the reason why we picked this section of road, and I mean, there's some of the obvious is that, you know, the curb is about this high, the sidewalks, you know, the kids, it's it's too small, you know, part of the wall is starting to fall in. So there's a lot of pieces, plus, plus we want to connect two important parts of our town, which is the rec center and the school. So so that's why that project was chosen. And, you know, there's things over time, the width of the sidewalk isn't, you know, realistic anymore. It's it's potential safety issue. And the state of Vermont is due to come back through that section and resurface the road. Last I knew around 20, 20, seven, so I think that was what we're thinking. We're trying to get out trying to get this project before the last thing you want to do is have a nice paved road and then dig it up behind it and put sidewalk in. And that's what we did on Church Street. Remember, when we redid the sidewalks in Church Street, we literally did that the the year after we picked through there. So then we had new sidewalk and curb patch. So we're trying to get out in front of it. We were lucky to secure the grant for that. A couple of I should tell them about the stairs, the new connection from the school. Oh, yeah. So so there was a few different projects that kind of go together, but they're they're separate. So the sidewalk project is one of the pieces to tie in. The wreck Lyle has your hand up. What? Thank you, Jane. So so there's there's obviously there's we want to tie the wreck. We want to tie recreational area and the school area into the town. And then we also have through the bullwreck grant that we got, which was separate. But, you know, we've tied the ball fields to the town. So the new for anybody had a chance that the well, it used to be the old kids path that come up from the athletic field to the town is now has a nice stairwell and path that comes up on the side of the church here. So we're just trying to connect the pieces of our town together. A couple of the concerns that I had. One, we had talked about potentially putting a pet pole in where the school crossing to the ball fields would be. Yeah. So I don't know if that ended up we ended up getting that into the estimate and I mean, it would be nice if we have I think so. We talked about, yeah, Rita can answer a quote from a vendor to include in the budget estimate. And I know it's challenging where they were the drive to the ballfields is and across the street, where you tie that in is the challenge, right, because you either have to go down further where there's no sidewalk or you have to come up further where it's more challenged for the pole and we did talk about that because we estimated because I don't know what the rule is now, but it used to be a hundred years ago that to go crosswalk to crosswalk you needed sidewalk to sidewalk and truncated dome to truncated dome. So we did read and I did measure the opposite side of the road to see so that if we moved to the crosswalks, I know some people would like a crosswalk at the rec area to the ball field driveway, but, you know, you have to take into considerate sight distances and stuff. So we do have money in their budget to investigate a couple of things, but certainly making the school crosswalk from the school to the ball field side, you know, safer. So and then the other piece of it I'd be concerned on is I don't think I don't think there's a good time to do the project. What I say that is you either like you either have the kids out of school in summer and you're trying to get it done while the kids are out of school. But at the same time during the summertime, you have walking traffic to the rec facility. So or you have kids from the school program walking to the pool. So how I guess the big concern for me would be how will we be addressing construction because it's a bottleneck area. There's really no place else to walk. So how will we safely be able to navigate through there while we're doing that? From what and Chris can correct me from what I understand with the design plans as well as when the contractor is selected, they need to generate a traffic control plan that needs to be reviewed and approved by V-trans. So making sure during construction, if the sidewalk section is being constructed that there is an alternative ADA compliant like detour route to go around the construction piece. And so that I think that piece will be very important during construction, especially being used with with the ongoing pedestrian traffic with the different rec fields and things like that. Sidewalk, because I can't remember all them to see the standards. But if you closed a sidewalk, you had a detour. You may even have to have flaggers there to escort people. I remember having to do something like that at a project that we had and a prior project. So I'm not sure if there's another area to cut over to the rec area. Some kids may. Well, I would assume during behind Giffords, like there's a way to get to the pool, isn't there, through the back? Some people can go up Geico and then there's a pathway down between private properties. I see kids coming up and down. Yeah. Well, that's I think that's the challenges. Some kids will find their way. I'm sure we're going to have the contractor say how they want to do it. But I'm thinking kind of realistically is how do you actually do it? Because you're either going to have to go on private land, which has obstacles. We have walls and things like that. Or you have a very narrow road that's not even really street legal to begin with that you have traffic going through. So I mean, I could see that maybe at the end of each working shift that it's put back to a temporary fashion. But what happens during the daytime when when you're actually ripping and roaring and you don't have a wide enough street to move it? You can't put them on people's land. I mean, they're going to be responsible. We'll obviously have someone overseeing the construction. So they're going to have to be keeping an eye on it and we'll have. Well, I'm just saying I'm a contractor. So I know how this works. It becomes we haven't figured it out. You figure it out, right? And it's I'm just trying to think like realistically, like, where do you walk? I mean, thinking of all the people that walk through there, right? Like, where would you walk during the daytime if that is not open for you? Well, it could be depending on the traffic, you know, during the construction. Maybe they have to do it like to one lane of alternating traffic in order to create an ADA path along the road. Because going, you know, trying to create a detour path on people's property that's not flat is it's not going to be acceptable. Yeah. So it's something to look at as it may be, you know, stop lights, but it's certainly something that Rita and Chris will look at as, you know, as we get through the process, because they'll be out there and more familiar with the road. So we certainly don't want people wandering over your properties. So well, but it's a good point. We'll have to. Yeah, it's a it's, you know, it'll slow people down. We maybe that's it. I mean, we need stop lights right there. And that'll slow people down. Yeah, stage, stage and then the other half. So you don't have long queues or as long as believe it or not. You know, there's quite a bit of foot traffic that comes through there. Yeah, that's true. And it's spread out all day, evening. I mean, it depends on people walking and, you know, do whatever they want to do. So then chickens and ducks. Yeah. Oh, that's right. So I think that a lot of the ducks, so Lylee has her hand up. Yeah. Lylee. You got your hand up. This is your chance, Lylee. You've got to unmute. Did she log in? Sorry, it's so hard to unmute on the phone. I apologize. Yay. Oh, can't hear you, Lylee. Hang on. Oh, then work is magic. OK, I know I'm on my end. Yeah. Yeah, you can hear me. Great. Um, just I appreciate you talking about the crosswalk over to the rec fields. And I just wanted to have a public comment of support for that and how important I think it is that we take the opportunity of sidewalks to if we can't do that, at least plan that with curb cuts and and such that we are thinking about what that crosswalk will look like and how to make it safer across the street. And then I just wanted to reinstate that it's not an ADA accessible path, but that there is the full connection in the trails from the school to the rec center in terms of students safely getting there during construction, that there are current, real, not through private property off off-road options for part of part of it. That's all. Thanks. Thank you. Can't see if there's anybody else. I think it's just Jean Lylee on, right? Anybody else on? Yeah. Oh, good. Okay. All right. The section in front of what was Valley Motors, that's now an empty lot. Will that get a sidewalk added to it? Because there isn't a sidewalk currently there? I need to double check to make sure that that would be one that would get it through there. And then because of the wide open driveway, I mean, it's you probably want to curb that and kind of have the sidewalk ramp up. Basically have two drives with an island in the middle. Right. Watch them. Sure. We all have watched plenty of vehicles, you know, pull a U-turn in there, including semi-cabs because it's so big and open, you can. But then it's also because that's where the kids walk, having it be clear and not something that you could just easily drive over now that it's a sidewalk. And so yeah, exactly what you spoke to was kind of the concern going through my head was if we're going to add something that looks like a sidewalk, is it actually elevated or makes it so that a driver couldn't just or hopefully wouldn't just go over? We should have an end to it. We'll have to talk to Nalotto GW about that, because it is their parking lot, because it would change there. They currently have a wider access, so we would have to talk to them about that if they'd be willing to reduce the size of their curb cut. Because right now it's pretty wide open. Well, I'm sure, yeah, and we could speak to them about it, and we're going to have to be careful about, you know, because actually obviously we'll have to stay in our section just because that was a big, can't remember the name of the firm, but a big brown field. And so they've come in and torn down the building and capped it and I think it's one of those do not disturb places. I think it felt remediated though. I don't know. But I think, but there's a cap on it and a cover. I don't think they can, I'm not sure what they can do there now. I don't know. I think it's good to go. Well, is it? I don't know, because when they came, they were only making it into a parking lot. So, but we can, we can get hold of the plant manager, Chris, when we get to that and talk to them. And then right at the north end of the proposed sidewalk, right where Nalotto and the exit way of the school is, there's a drainage structure that's sitting there currently that's in disrepair. Will that be part of this project or is that something that the town's got to look at doing prior or? It's like literally starts right there. I know it is. I think that it's a big goal. I think that we that Morgan and Richard maybe met with Nalotto. I think that might be Nalotto's issue. It just may be something to either before or maybe they can do it part of the project. As you see it, you can't miss it. So, yeah, we can talk to them, but I'm pretty certain that's the one that Richard and that Richard Morgan does. It's right there. Yeah, we looked at it during the better connection, like the walk on it. It's all right, Sherry. Mm-hmm. There you go. It is better than the Beep and Security System every few months. There is one. This is going to happen. I mean, one of our potential. Fortunately, this is the long run. I think we were looking at 2025 as the project. I think we're looking at 2025 as the project. I think we're looking at 2025 as the project. So, we've got to get it done for the state page, which I don't think we do when we wrote it. So, it's one of those grants that you get from the state of Vermont, the bike path. And I believe it's a three to five year because you have to go through all the permitting. And some of the permitting is, you know, I don't know. Are we looking for Sal, Amanda's, Toad's, Arrowhead's? The whole, you know, kitten kabooty. Okay, good. But, and in the way, NEPA is six months at a minimum and then the right-of-way process. It's even if you're amenable to it, just the process of getting together, signing, it takes time or so. Yeah, because the lawyer has to come and research your needs so that it's accurate. And we put in a copy of the description of the work. But could you talk just a brief about NEPA? I am pretty... Yeah. I haven't done that. But... Or what, it stands for? Well, it's the National Environmental Protection Act. And parts of it are like the wetlands and historical, archeological. We've already done those assessments. And those, that information goes into this whole packet of impacts to the state. And it's just... And then that takes about six months. It takes at least six months, yeah. For the state to get through. And then once they issue a categorical exclusion, which is basically, yep, this project, it's not gonna be a big impact to the state resources, then Kristen start doing his job and really start focusing on the design and the layout of the new crosswalks and the sidewalks and look at the retaining walkings. So, yeah. So this is, you know, federal money is great. And, but it takes time, you know, to get through the paperwork to get it. So... So we're not even getting it somewhere? No, definitely not. Probably not. We'll probably be doing design and easements and things like that would be my guess. And then obviously hoping to construct in 25 would be the hope. So, but again, you know, that's if the state gets through NEPA in six months and that, you know, we kind of have to, it's like, hurry up, start, and then you wait and then you pick back up and go. So it's not a quick process, Marguerite. But we'll all be kept informed about our progress. And obviously when, you know, when we're looking to do construction and things like that. Yeah. We'll keep you in the look. Yeah. We'll keep you in the look. So... Are you creating some sort of like an ducks and that's great. Yeah. Yeah. She made it. Yeah, right. She can do that now. Yeah. Maybe they'll learn to stay home. Maybe the noise will scare them and they'll stay home. Actually, they'll probably start heading down the other side of the street. They'll probably head towards town. Yeah. Yeah. They'll head towards town now instead of... These walls will just come out on their property and then they'll stay. That's great. Did you notice someone who were out there getting pictures? Ducks and jigs that cross constantly. They're all... How they're still live is beyond me. I have seen people like... Screeching of tires is that they're walking across. But yeah, so they're just... I don't even know who's they are. Oh, the green house. Oh. They're just... They just walk freely. So that is kind of funny. Right. Yeah. So rotating wall, it's there in front of my house. Do you know when that was put in? I'm just curious. Like, what the life... I don't think so. I don't think there's a number on that. There's a number on the wall that we want down here. But no, I don't... I think that was... It wasn't that hard. The reason, too, we drilled was to figure out how it was built. Did it come in like this? Did it stand straight? What was it? And I even... So we don't know. I don't know when it was constructed. We couldn't find any plans of the office for it. So I got checked with VTrans and they didn't have anything in their records either. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe there'll be something behind there, like a little archive or something that will find something. And they'll... And we'll know when it was. Yeah. So I don't know. Do you know or do you remember ever them doing any work to that, Marguerite? No, I don't remember. Yeah, I hadn't heard of it. Old pictures in the Historical Society. Right. I can use some pictures of it. Historical Society. I can give you some when they're... Yeah, I think we did... We looked for... I had them look for the big wall. I asked Joanne Marshall to look for that wall. The big, you know, with the fish on it and she didn't found anything either, so. I don't know. Okay. So as I stated earlier, the next steps of being to go back, you know, internalize your comments, create a purpose and need statement. Once that's approved, we will develop some alternatives and then we'll be back to conduct an alternative presentation meeting. And then at that point, the select board will choose the direction we're going in and we'll start the design process. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming. All right, so I'm gonna stop sharing. Aha. We're back. There is more people. There is more. Sorry. Are you gonna do, huh? I know, all of a sudden. It's a Brady bunch. Well, thank you so much, Rita. Thanks, Chris. It was nice to see you in person. Appreciate it. So Greg Martin is here. Okay. No, I'll just let them give them a second. Yeah. I guess it's their call with me. Yeah, exactly. Opening the door. I guess this is like a little bell. We know when they're coming and going. I think so. There must be the ghost to be coming. Yeah. We'll see that. I don't know. I heard the word one. No, no, it's there's a lot. All right, so we will move forward to their next appointment. So, Greg, you're all set to go. Even if we get you five minutes early. Yeah. Okay. So Greg Martin, owner of Tessie Taverns. If anybody doesn't know him, he's here just going over a request for a water EU reduction for his property. I think he should start it. So typically on something like this, Greg. So we become like the board of water because we have so many different hats in this town. So at this point, what we do is just state, what the issue is and then what you would like to see. So what, you know, it kind of has to be definitive, like what I'm seeking is XYZ. And then the board, water commissioners will then make a ruling on that and we'll get back to you with that ruling. So that's kind of how it works. So we take off our select board hat and we put on our water hat. Exactly. So we'll let you just tell us briefly, you know, kind of what's going on and what you're looking for, Greg. We're converting the tavern over to apartments. So it's on a standby rate. I don't know what the rate is, but seven EUs, I believe. And it's never going to be used for that again. So I want to switch it to an apartment rate and then a reduction in payment until we get those apartments up and running, which we expect with some time in the spring. These won't be used under any water for a long time. The apartment, Greg, are you making multiples or is the restaurant just going to be one? It's going to be one apartment, that's the plan. Hopefully we'll, the equipment, we've been dealing with equipment, liquidator and that should happen in the next month or so, though, you're getting some of the equipment if the price is right. And then hopefully as I get a contractor together, we'll start the renovation process. I missed the answer on, is it one apartment or two apartments? One, one apartment. Okay, thank you. I'm trying to keep as much character as we can. And then just, so it paints a broader picture here. So can you just take us through what the current property looks like? I mean, there's a bunch of us that kind of know what it looks like. And then what you're looking to do with that? Currently we have seven apartments upstairs, which are rented, and the tavern down below on the first floor. We're going to convert the first floor apartment, first floor, the tavern itself into a apartment. We have just beeping going on the plane. Yeah, there's a beeping in the background. So there's a kitchen, so you have a commercial kitchen, you have a bar area. So all that will be all just one big apartment. That'd be one big apartment. Nice. Okay. So you'll have, you'll continue to have your seven apartments existing, and then the downstairs will be one big. It'll be the eighth apartment in the building and that's it, just eight apartments. And that will take an estimate six to seven months to complete, depending on contractors, which could push it out further. And you said you were liquidating your kitchen equipment in the next month or so, right? That's a plan. I've been dealing with a, trying to remember the name of the company. Can't think about the top of my head. I guess this question is more for you, Terese, that knowing the parameters that we've sort of worked in within the past, even though this isn't already an apartment, since the restaurant is gone, are we, like as a board, can we make a decision that looks something like, it's an apartment, but it's on vacancy rate. And then we give them a six month or whatever the timeframe is, like how does that work? If it's not actually an apartment, but it's also not actually a restaurant. How do we, how can we or can't we address that? I guess is the question. You can or you can address it any way you want, but what you have done in the past, when you had, when Dylan was doing some work on Densmore right next door, you gave him a break for a quarter, so that he could, for one quarter, so that he could redo, and it was an existing apartment. He was just redoing the apartment. I think you did that for him there. You did, I think when the, who was the people you rented, the staples, when they had their place on the market, you gave them a break for one quarter, I believe. You did one for the Merrells. And you did one for the Merrells when they were doing work, so. Right, so essentially like looking to the future when this apartment is online, the entire building becomes an EU, right? And so we're looking at, we're playing with one EU essentially. That's what we're looking at. The seven that are up and running stay the same, and then we're just talking about this one. Right, so currently you have seven EU for the apartments, which is all fine. Greg's in agreement with that. And then there's 7.71 for the restaurant because restaurants are different. You had a, he had a 60 seat restaurant. And I believe that's 28 per gowns per day per seat. So that's why the 7.71. So what would happen is the 7.71 would drop to one and you could give him the one quarter reprieve. So while he's redoing the apartment and then bring it online as vacancy rate, which is 90% of the existing rate. And then once he has a tenant, he could move it to, actually, yeah, he could move it up. Or I'm trying to remember the ordinance if you, I don't think you care if apartments are vacant or not. I think he would just move to one EU. I think he'd give him a break for, possibly give him a break for three months during construction. And then he would just make him one EU and it wouldn't be vacancy, yeah. No, but you could give him, given people a break in the past for a full quarter while they do construction. And certainly, it's a loss for the town, the budget, the 7.71 is a loss because there's not a restaurant, but it's a gain because there's such a housing shortage. And it's beautiful in there. So I'm sure it'd be a beautiful apartment. It's for lack of a better word, this is a change of use. How do we do that? I think you just addressed it, but... Well, change of use is a zoning term. Right. So he's not changing anything. I mean, he could, yes, by rights, he'd need a zoning permit for a change of use, but it's a small permit, but that's the zoning process, so. So what, quarter-wise for water? Our current one that we're in right now, when does that end or when did it just start? So it goes July, August, September, October, November, December, so... So we're coming up to a new... We're coming up to a new, so July, August, September. And I don't know, Greg, have you, I didn't look, did you pay that bill yet? Yeah. It was a big bill. I'm sorry. So the quarter... I didn't look at it, I'm sorry. The quarter that's coming up would be October through December. October through December would be the quarter coming up, yes. It just set a curiosity, or just a statement, Greg, if you're, I don't know how you do with the other apartments, but I had heard a rumor that GW Nolato was looking for apartments because they were bringing, they were busing people at some point from Boston, and we have had another person in town who's actually contracted directly with a business, and they, the business actually rents the apartment. So if you wanted to, if you were looking for a tent, certainly reach out to GW to human resources, they may enter an agreement with you where they actually rent it. And then, if you're not that you'd be, and I'm sure you have a list of people, but I have heard they were looking. Yeah, that's good to know. Our leases are, current leases are full until July, but again, as we get this one online, then we can talk to them. It's gonna be a beautiful apartment, that's all I can tell ya. Oh, most definitely, I've eaten there a few times, and it is beautiful, so it's nice. Yeah, you have to make a motion. A bid for... He paid, so there's for the upcoming quarter, yes, because he did say. I mean, I think that's kinda what I was getting at, is to be consistent with what we've done as a board, we have given individuals the opportunity to have a quarter period to renovate different areas in the town. So I think if Greg's okay with that, what I would be willing to do or make a motion for would be to, is for the quarter of October through December, is to suspend the 7.71 EU restaurant piece, which is the bottom, and then as of January 1st, then we would set that to the one EU for the bottom, so you'd have an eight total EU as of January 1st. So that would give him, that'd give him one quarter of reprieve for the bottom, which is roughly what? Well, it's currently, you know. Give him about $800, or something like that, because that's down, right? I can't remember what his bill was, he paid $800 for that. Yeah, yeah, so it would give him a chunk of reprieve, because also he'd be going from 7 to 1, so. And the only reason why I say that's, just trying to keep consistent with what we've done for others, we've had a couple others in town that we've done similar. So that gives him time to. Give him some three months that he doesn't have to pay a water bill, and then, because he's only on water, he's not on sewer, and then, you know, then then of course, he's not looking at that massive bill. Right. Then we'll switch it to one, then it'll switch to one for the, or eight total, I'm guessing. Yeah. Okay. So then January, you would switch to the eight total, yep. Okay. Yeah, so you'd have paid seven on your next bill, seven to use just for the apartments, and then in your next bill after that, you'd go to eight. So huge significant savings in your water bill. It's vacant right now. So paying the 800 last quarter was really hard. Yeah. It's tough because we're a closed system. So we, when we set the water rates, we base it on the EUs that we have at the time. So it's, you know, it's one of those things that we have. That's why we have people come and talk to the select board and look at it because that's how the bill's based on. So, because we charge, you know, so much for EU based on, you know, you're a businessman, you know how it works. I didn't know it works. But yeah. So how do you feel about that? The three month reprieve, no bill for the downstairs while you do some construction and then going to one in January. I'm fine with that. Okay. I can move to approve. So motion. So we need to reschedule it. Well, no, my question is just what if I get Paul Valley is saying, you know, it's about revisit. So do you care if there's a timeframe as to when he gets the apartment open? Why? I mean, I think by then he's on the one EU starting in January and there would be no vacancy anyway. Right. Okay. So I don't think it really, we can't really play it any differently. No, I just want to make sure you're all set. Okay. Sorry. Let me interrupt you. I mean, I guess as of January 1st, he has, you know, nothing going on in there or has it rented that he can always go to a, well, that's right. We can't. So just be a one. I mean, worst case scenario, he's at eight and he's, you know, as a businessman, taking the hit on one EU. Right, right. Rather than. But if he reopens a restaurant, your bills going back up. We're not reopening a restaurant. Not a reopening. I wish I could. I sent it all in to inspect. That's right. Okay. So did you make a motion? I'm sorry. So. Yeah. Flinly. All right. Flinly moved the motion. So we just need a second. You second it. Pay it all in favor. Aye. Okay. So if you have any questions, Greg, just send me an email. Otherwise I'll make the change in the software tomorrow so that I don't forget. But so that way you'll be ready to go. Thank you very much. Yeah. Thanks for coming again. Have a good evening. You too. All right. And we will quickly move on to public comment. So is there anything public comment wise that is not on the agenda that anybody wants to bring up? Now's the time to do it. Me. Yeah. I just want to make a comment about Ford Festival. When I congratulate the committee, they did a wonderful job. They had the 5K race. The band show was full. There was entertainment. Can you hear me okay? Yeah. Yeah. So the entertainment, the historical society sold most of their books from what I understand. Kevin Barry with the ice cream and the EV card display. And downtown seemed to be pretty busy all day long. Bar was open and there was a lot going on downtown. So congratulations to the Ford Festival committee. They did a hell of a job. Unfortunately, I did not win the duck race. But next year I'm going to get my duck in advance and do some training. So hopefully there'll be a better result. But just congratulations to everybody who contributed to the Ford Festival. Anything else, public comment? We don't have any in person. So it's just whoever's online. All right. Must be everybody's good. Seeing none, we will move forward. Are you waiting for anyone? Okay. She's a one. So we just. I like it. We're first on our agenda items for tonight. So technically, if you're last on the appointment, but first on the agenda, you're in the same slot. So your timing worked out. So you're in the same spot. So with three, so. Yeah. Seven. Yeah, you're good. So yeah. You're still in the same spot. Yeah, it's such a crapshoot because you don't know how long the public comment on the first part. You do 45 minutes, but it could have taken five. You just, or an hour. You just don't know. So it's all a gamble. Sure. So I gave the, so you know, it's in the packet was, I put in a copy. Let's see. Owen had said equity inclusion committee. Oh, see right there. Like an appointment. Okay. I learned to read. To amend the declaration of inclusion, he detached the word document with the proposed amended language in red. He said, Chris Jarvis pointed out to Leonard Meek that sexual orientation was accidentally omitted from the original declaration. And the EIC noticed two other groups that should be included veterans and people who are not US citizens. So his, his version is to add sexual orientation, veteran status, and then he wrote citizenship. So I don't know if you have, I don't really have anything else to add other than I'm here to answer any concerns you might have. Yo, what up? To the camera. Lenny's waving, but I added, but just so whoever, well, we'll fix it. Veteran status is the post, if he goes after veterans, but citizenship, you just say citizenship in general. So we're just covering whether you're a citizen or not a citizen. Okay. All right. Because you get into a slippery slip when you try to start having inclusive language around different statuses. I mean, yeah, that's my day job and I still can't figure out a way. Yeah, I think citizenship is appropriate. And as long, you know, in silly me, I'm, I'm identified. I didn't even, I totally missed the veteran status myself. Yeah. So, I mean, Well, it's hard to think of all of it. It's kind of like you got to start wearing it a little bit and then you, you figure, you learn a little bit more. So. Yeah. And it's hard too, when you start giving it because you kind of want to say the town of Bethel condemns racism and welcomes all person and wants everyone to feel safe. It's like you just kind of want to, because I'm always thinking that there's somebody, is there somebody else we're missing accidentally? So. The sentiment is there, but again, we'll keep wearing it. And if something comes up, as long as we're all open to revisiting it to make sure, you know, we're always going to grow and I think so should our documents, right? As we become more informed. So should our documents and our statements. So yeah, I don't know if anyone has any other questions. That's what I'm here for. And plus, just to say, hey, yeah, I haven't seen you in a while. Don't worry, Abbot Road hopefully resumed is going to get started. Everything inside of me not to open up with a public comment about that. But I'm like, no, they have enough going on. Oh, it's coming. No, we have a contractor and we made a deal with the with the Royal Rock to add three more culverts. And so we're headed there. Chris will be overseeing the work. But hopefully, I think that's Dylan, hopefully that starts in like maybe a couple of three weeks. So it'll be good. My wife and I were just driving that home this evening. And really it's fine now, but if we got to like slide through this in winter, that might be dicey that one partially. Yeah, I know because the whole, all the contracts say they need to be done by November 17th. So I was, I meant to email you the other day and it crossed my mind and then I forgot. I appreciate it. I know you're all working on it. So thank you though for that unsolicited. So does any of the board members have any comments in regards to the proposed amended changes? So no amended declaration of inclusion. OK, so 925 as written with the amendment of the veteran status citizenship, sexual oriented. Yes, we're going to fix that. I'll fix that when I type it. Yeah, sure. I'm sick in that. OK, I'm the underneath all in favor. I. OK. Would it be possible on our inclusion statement to ask our businesses if they could post it? I don't know. I mean, it's on our website. It's going to be in the town plan. It's in our town report. I think that might be more of a job for the Equity and Inclusion Committee. Yeah, to approach businesses and see if they would post it. How do you feel about that, Christy? Yeah, I think I don't think anybody should shy away from offering that suggestion if the opportunity arises. I mean, certainly, I think it's a it's a very good idea, but I won't think I would hope to select or if you have the opportunity that you would also suggest that to. Businesses in town as well, just like I would. Yeah, right? Yeah, yeah, I don't. Is there I would think they'd be aware of it, but could email we have an email list or could email to people and just let them know in case they're not aware. Who knows how well closely people follow us? Like that Facebook post, though, this time, it was out on Facebook. About the new. Oh, good. Oh, yeah. We put the agenda out on Facebook on from. Oh, well, we do on from Port Form all the time. I think Lenny has his hand up, but face. We do it. We're supposed to put the agenda on from Port Form. And then what was on Facebook? Just the agenda. Oh, good. In the link to if you wanted to join. Oh, good. She must have put it on. I didn't realize she put it on Facebook, so that's good. I'll do that. Oh, good. Yeah. Because we do always put it on from Port Form. So that's good. All right, I'll make a note here to email it to. Local businesses. All right. Lenny, did you have something? You're you're muted if you're talking. Still muted. Yeah, you had this problem last time. You want to type something I can read it for you. I can't hear you. No. Dang. He's all right. All right, you're OK. OK, good. But so I'll email it to the local businesses, Lenny. Leonard. OK, thank you. Yeah, sorry, I don't know what's going on. And then, yeah, and then it's something you could talk about at the EIC if it's something I don't know, because they're always talking about outreach. And plus he's got that $10,000 grant, maybe he'll. Because you use some of the businesses, obviously. S-W-U-P audio capture, not registered. OK, you got Lindley, you know, Arnold Block, and then, you know, so. But I'm sure I'm pretty sure we have all the business emails. So I'll send it out, see what they want to do with it. But it is going an updated town plan. We might want to see if we can equity committee, see if we can get an attractive printing of it that is designed to be posted in, you know, businesses, but that's a step down the road. But I would I would encourage that. I'm sure they've got lots of talented people on the equity inclusion that could doctor up and make it look fancy. Thanks, Christine. Good night. Thanks for coming. Oh, are you going to stay? Not very long. It's quite a party here tonight. Going through it. You actually just. Was that the folks? Yeah, yeah. They were talking about the sidewalk. They were here for the sidewalk project, local concerns meeting. So I was most people we've had in a long time. Nice. Hmm. That's right. All right, we'll move forward. Next item we had was. Oh, Lenny. There is more power and recognition. Whoops. She just went away. There's more power and recognition when both the I.C. and the select word promotes the declaration of inclusion. So he's right. That's why it's not registered. Very quiet. Yeah. All right. All right. So next we had on the list of agenda items we had. We'd gone through a series of some discussions and motions to adopt some policies in and around. The constable. So the body, camera, statewide policy, which. The other one that we adopted was the. Yeah, use for. No, we haven't done use of force. No, we did. What was that one? Hazers. Yeah, so. Hazers. Yeah, it was tasers. So we've done that. So this one's there. The next one is use of force. So the most part, they're they're the same policies that have been adopted by Vermont State Police and. Yeah, the Vermont. The Vermont Criminal Justice Training Council that works close with Vermont State Police. So it's more having our our eyes dotted in tees cross for right. Liability issues that, you know, could come as. Yeah, you know, something like, you know. Exactly. And they draft them to adhere to state statutes. So there's not a lot of wiggle room or any wiggle room. And they say they hand them down the Vermont Criminal Justice Training Council works with the state of Vermont. And then they put them into a policy and their whole Vermont Criminal Justice Training Council board passes them. And then everybody, you know, in the state has, you know, it's the same one. So the next one is I think the next one is use of force. OK. I feel like I just know the answer to this question, but it came up in my brain and I didn't have an answer. We have two constables. They both work for other law enforcement agencies. And I imagine that probably they both have body cameras through those. But does Bethel actually own or, you know, like if we had a constable who was not. We do. OK. And do we ask that our SWP audio capture not registered? Yeah, I saw. So the so sorry. So yeah, so they I believe that Bethel owns. The one that Oscar wears, I'm not and I'm not sure. Actually, we own two. So what do we trust? Yes, our equipment. Yep. And they yeah. And Lenny's question was who governs when they wear them. But this policy governs when they wear them. It tells them specifically. And since they all act under the same policies, they're all aware there's certain times you can't turn them on within as it's outlined in the policy. And then there's other times they mandate it. And obviously, if there's an incident, then you can. You know, I can look at the footage. If someone came in and said they had an issue on such and such a date, then I would reach out to them and you do kind of internal investigation. And and you can watch the I can see the footage and you know, and see what happens when we had to manage the police department before I came. That's the way it was. I would go to the chief and say, OK, this incident was reported to me. If it was one of his officers, he'd look at it. It was him. He'd send it to me and I'd look at it and and go from there. So essentially is when this is referring to a supervisor, you you're the supervisor. Yes, Chris came in the other day and I was flipping through the handbook. I had to remind her that it's like, yeah. And I was really hoping that because he was appointed that he was directly reports to a slug worker. He does not he. So I ended up managing that. But so that's fine. And then I think I answered Lenny's question. Yes, who governs when the covert cameras are active. It's the policy that governs. So yeah, there's pages of it in the packet. And which just make you feel like all the worst shit that happened, like reading through it. It was like all my brain. Well, you know, having been in a position where S.W.B. audio capture not registered. Something bad has happened. It's it's nice to have the video. It's also has proven in the times the multiple times I have looked at video. The majority of the time was traffic stops and someone come in and have complained. The officer was rude or et cetera, et cetera. And I I never had an instance in a single one that I watched. I'm not sure if the person who was pulled over was anxious or was just and their recollection was not what was right there, you know, on video. But but and then it's stored, you know, offsite in the cloud and this and that. And of course they have to have it too for to present cases to the state's attorney's office. So I think it's an invaluable tool, not only for the officer, but for the person involved, you know, then and it's well documented. And it's I think that it could put somebody in a position where this way of person in a position of power, there is video. So you can say, hey, no, that person in power was wrong. And here's the video to prove it. So I think it's handy tool. So even works out really well. Like I know Theresa and I went through it like a couple of years ago in regards to a ticket that was issued and had we not had the body came put it like the way the person had had had gone to the town and said that their interactions with with the officer that day and, you know, and they didn't do this. And you know, and then when you when you looked at the body cam footage, it was like night and day of how the person had described it. It was completely night and day. And they were like, and the person's like, yeah, I'll just pay the ticket. You know, yeah, it was like a good tool to have to actually capture, you know, what was really going on. Yeah, and I think for both sides, too. Yeah, Jean, you know, I have a well, it's a concern about the audio capture or not registered. Our town manager is not on board 24 7365. If there are incidents that happen at all times of day and night and some of those actually require the surrender of the the camera and the weapon. If if that was used and I'm wondering to whom that those in those really serious issues, who does that go to the Vermont state police, that's who you bring in when you have a shoot when you have an incident. Let's I have been through a police involved shooting before. And what happens is you bring the state police and immediately because you need an outside agency to investigate what happened and make sure that all parties are investigated, your officer, your policies, as well as, you know, the the the victim or the perpetrator or whoever the role happens to be. So you immediately bring in the Vermont state police to manage it because you do not want it to be tainted on a local level by anyone. And we had that happen and we had a chief of police. But he immediately it was relinquished to the VSP because it, you know, you don't you can investigate your own. Right. Well, that was just part of part of my question since we have. Yeah, no, you that's what you do. The word there is even. The superior, so it's not even directly stating. Yeah. Which superior it's right. A superior officer. Yeah. And and well, I mean, the audio capture not registered 247. So if something happened, I know Oscar would call me or the VSP would call me. And and but yes, it's you do not touch it. Right. Any also any complaints about an officer would go to, you know, can go to the Vermont Criminal Justice Training Council and they can investigate. So if say I had a complaint that I felt was beyond my purview to look into, I would call the VSP and see if they had the manpower to do it. And if not, I would divert it to the Vermont Criminal Justice Training Council. So that way my only concern, you know, the concern is it is evidence. And so the frail of evidence and keeping that. Secure is critically important. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Any other questions in regards to the proposed policy? Do you want to do those together, Chris, or do you want to do them one at a time? That's just one of them. Do what one at a time? Only thing we're just doing is just the body cam one. Oh, well, I thought the packet had the other one. No, it's just an appendix a because of the reference dependix a of the other ones. So I put it in there so you weren't looking for it. Got it. OK. Leonard is asking, is there an option for S.W.U.B. audio capture not registered? I don't know if there's an automatic turn on. I know I've talked to, I know that they can turn it on and off with a button. So I don't know if when they. I'm assuming it's habit that they just obviously keep it on, but I don't know. I can't answer your question because I don't know the maker model of the how it works. So I'm sorry, I don't know. If you really want to know, send me an email and I'll find out. And get back to you. I just have to ask Oscar. If it were, I imagine that would be mentioned in the policy about disabling or something like that. But that's not that's not in the policy. So yeah, I guess I don't turn it on, turn it off. Yeah. And I don't know how they, you know, I just know because there's a little button right there where they do it. So. Well, yeah, I mean, OK. Yeah, number D. It's in there. Well, it doesn't say that I want to be both video. OK, yeah. Oh yeah, turn it on at all. OK, so page two of the policy talks about when they have to turn it on, Lenny, and it's in the packet on the second when they have to turn it on. If it's a domestic assault or sexual violence or HIPAA violation, they can sometimes have the video, but they have to set the they can have the audio, but the video has to be shut off. And I think, too, they shut up at certain times when they go certain places. So, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of dudes and don'ts in these eight pages. Yes. And I had Oscar review them all before, you know. And so it was all he's like, it's all standard. Everybody's got the same. Yeah. OK. I'll move its adoption if you need a motion. Sure. Second. Motion on the table. Second by Linley. All in favor. Bye. Bye. Is have it. Thank you. You have an appointment to the Planning Commission. Russell Roloff, he has been he's attended a couple of meetings are our bylaw final public meeting. He attended the meeting of the night. He's retired. He's worked out of Bethel for, you know, pretty much his whole career. And and he has does he has like state permitting experience. And as soon as we saw his letter of interest, we were like, come to us, please. And then he came to town meeting and talked to Eric Webb and Dana Kola Beck and Zoe when they were doing that. And he was very interested. You guys didn't scare him away then. We did not. We were glumming on to him. And so he came to the first Planning Commission meeting. We just started on the 21st to start the town plan. And so I think he's going to be a great addition because of his background. What does the Planning Commission look like now? Currently, it is Dana Kola Beck. Zoe Cartwright. Yeah, that's right. Russell Roloff, Eric Webb. Adam Saperne, maybe I don't know. He tuned in and shut off the other night. So I'm not sure what his status is, myself and Rick Benson. And Rick Benson and I want to we'll both will be done in hopefully in December. We want to get both done. That leaves four or five. That leaves five. If Adam is Zoe, Dana, Eric, Russell, as Denise was on, but she got elected to be a select board member. So now she's an ex officio when she comes. I think that's it. Zoe Dana and yeah. And they had they were on the lookout for someone else. And yeah, they had an eye, but they had an eye. Oh, well, maybe Paul Valley. We've been trying to get our hooks into him. But we were trying to get our hooks in a Paul Valley, but and he's been slippery. So but we were talking about, you know, just trying to get other people to join. We have a pro. I mean, this is the same committee where we mailed that over 100 individual invitations and nobody joined. We've I've spoken to all the major landowners and I'm like, why would you of all people not want your interest represented? But no. So we're working. We just started with two rivers. We have a contract with them for, I think, about $5,000 to do help us with the town plan document, make sure that the update the zoning, no, that's a census data. There's some things we want to change during zoning bylaws, like going from four acre a lot to a two acre, but we couldn't because of the wording on the town plan. So there's some of that that we need to change. And I just gave Chris Jarvis the updated school section so that that can be updated. There is, oh, Christie, there is money, not in the $5,000, but two rivers received some amount of money. And so that if we want to do some equity inclusion work or chapter in there or, you know, to be more inclusive, we know we want to include the declaration of inclusion, that they will do that for free because they have grant money for that. So that's also nice so we can address that. We've also worked with the health department and things before. So it's a process. It doesn't happen overnight, but we're not looking for a big rewrite. We're looking for an update because we rewrote it in 2020. And you have to do it every five years. I think you have to be done by eight, but we I think it's they go over every five, but we want to have be on the right end of the census data this time. We always finish it just before it comes out. It's 71. Yes, dang it. So, but yeah, so if you were interested in joining the planning commission, we'd love to have you. Christie's like, I get it. But tell your friends. So just before I forget, just need a motion to point Russell. Yep, three year term. OK, Denise. OK, all in favor. All right. Yeah. Mission say. I would be proud of you. You're the beating in 738. Yeah. This is like how it's not here. Somewhere. Mo has a smile on his face. That's right. Mm hmm. All right. And update on the July flood stuff. As I was saying to Chris, the Abbott. So we're looking to see that hopefully the next couple of weeks, what we'll see. So Woodland will wrap up in the next. Probably the end of this week. And then West Quadrant, which is Liliesville, Whittier, Brink, Dart, Ringe there. That's happening now. We'll probably get another week. Brink is finished today. Another week, week and a half on West Quadrant. Yeah, probably. Yeah, Brink is done. They finished Brink today. And then that contractor will move directly to Cleveland, Brook Road. So that'll be done. And then a separate contractor will be doing Abbott and Old Route 12. Um, and then another contractor will be doing the same. Yeah. Well, Sandhill, Peabodyne, Sandhill, Peabodyne, and then it's on the other side. Fish Hill, Fish Hill, you don't think about Fish Hill because it's the access through Randolph. So they will be done. So the contract's all state November 17th. And I think as people hit it, we'll be going we will be doing a massive project on Camp Brook Road. That's being worked out now with Du Bois and King, the state, I just signed two permits today for ANR and Army Corps of Engineers. So that big culvert that federal highways is going to replace will be out and out to bid, et cetera. And then our culvert that federal highways is not going to cover. Still working with the state on that, we may actually end up just going in with a slightly smaller culvert and putting it into there and then cementing it in place just as a, I mean, I say temporary measure, but it'll buy us a few years because that is a yes. Because that's between $600,000 to $800,000. There's another culvert that Morgan noticed today above the marshals, but it's an 18-inch culvert. And I still have another 18-inch at the bottom that federal highway requested a hydraulic study on the state couldn't do, so Du Bois and King's doing it. So I think the big culvert will be one contractor and then the two 18-inchers and a little bit of bank armoring will be another contractor. And I'm still waiting for some technical assistance from the state on the other culvert because that's just beyond scope of what myself or the road foreman's going to answer to. So when we have handed off all the data, boring detail, boring, not boring details, but boring in the ground details to the state. So, yeah, so exactly, yeah. Yeah, so they did bore one side of it. So they'll be, so all that has gone to the state as well. So I'm looking for the bridge engineer of the state and state project manager to work it out. It has to happen before snow flies. So it's going to have to be soon. It has to. My answer, I can reach out separately, but with Abbott in particular, it's just a tough road with not a lot of space for ditching and such. I'm just wondering if you have any ideas what they're actually going to do there? I actually don't right now because I don't have the document in front of me, but if you send me an email, I can give you the detail of the bid because I know it has multiple culvert replacement on that road, there's, I want to say there's six. There's three that we're adding new. And I feel like there was two or three in the bid itself, but regarding road damage or ditching, I can't recall. There's just too much of it. But if you send me an email, that's fine. That's why I prefer. Yeah. So as far as road work goes, so we're, you know, getting there all the, we're still waiting on North Road for two structures to be delivered. Was really hoping that was going to get wrapped up this week. If not, hopefully by the end of next week, that'll be wrapped up because we're going to install two new culverts and all that. So last time I talked to Dan, he'd, McCullough, he's the one doing that. He'd been in contact with the state of Vermont because we're going to connect into a state structure. So he's been dealing closely with Ryan Slack. And so that's going to be more of a long-term fix that we talked about. So I think that'll be, it makes sense. We've just had too many problems there to not, you know, FEMA likes you to replace it as is, but at this point. And the other good news I found that was the faster we're done and the more 100% I can enter on the spreadsheet that are done, even 75, 80, 90% done, they didn't come and look at it. So there's, we could have, we get our work done. We may not have any site inspections. So. Any word on the bridge by Mary Floyd's? I wouldn't know, because it's a state. Yeah. Well, we were wondering if they were going to... I don't know what they're going to do. But I know Du Bois, like I sent you that message. Du Bois and King was out there surveying it and staking it. Yeah. Coincidentally, at the same time that Mary was talking about all the dirt and the fault landing on the other side. Well, that wasn't a coincidence because we had, she'd been in contact with me, she came here, I sent it to Chris Bump and then he forwarded on. So I do know, so he was well aware of that. I sent him all the pictures, as I told her I would the next day. So what they're up to, I don't know, but I did talk to him about the culvert at Bidlax. Because while that's technically Randolphs Road District, it's not Ryan Slack, Bethel, it's still Chris Bump. So I did tell him, he's like, I just said, the water go over the road. I said, oh yeah, it did. And we dug it out and then I told him that it jeopardizes the trailer park, the fire department and the shelter. So I need to send him an email because he said, but you don't hear back from me in a few days. Remind me, so I'll do that tomorrow too because he was gonna send, talk to one of the state engineers. He said it's a difficult area. And I do know that the vast had received money to do work on some class four roads. And one of them is Davis Road. And so we were just issuing him a permit to work on a class four road. So I know there's been some concern that the landowner has done a bunch of logging. So whether or not that's created additional runoff, I don't really know. Everybody speculate. So anyways, so that is, so Chris was aware of that bump. So hopefully we'll have that meeting because the Tim Altragetti, the trailer park, he's requested it. And we haven't- And I don't think that's true because we had issues up there before a landowner logged. Yeah. So. Yeah, I don't know. I wasn't sure about Wanda or- Because Irene, it went right in the same spot. Yeah. And he didn't know it at that point. Yeah. So he's willing to take a look at that, especially to his nose. Now he's up the road dealing with Seth and her Mary. So I don't know. I'd heard a rumor that somebody else was awarded, somebody was awarded that contract and doing some work for us, but you know, probably just remember. Probably. Yeah. So yeah, I would think by Thanksgiving we'll have everything wrapped up. Yeah. Because we're at November 17th is the last day of the contract. And then our smaller projects in round town probably the end of October. And they're starting to go fast. I mean, we just barely, it's quite the process. And you know, Woodland, we've been working on Woodland for three weeks and we just started the West God Quadrant late last week. We already got almost half of that done. So most of these projects are like two week jobs. Once you get them there. They're gonna go quick. Once, yeah. Once you get them. Yeah, I'm thinking probably the end of October would be a pretty good spot. And then there's still stuff the town needs to do. We'll need to go back, do final grading, add material. So to the spots that are beautiful right now, the road crew has been working on Finley Bridge Road ourselves. So we have our own projects to do. We're gonna do the culvert replacement on Purim. So we're also doing our own, some of the smaller force count projects as well. Where it's always the same issue. You talking about down, right down. Near Tessie's town. Yeah, yeah, okay. Where the temporary stuff is put in. That's getting pretty rough again. Oh yeah. And we had what was interesting there was that we also found a structure. You don't wanna find a structure. You wanna know where they all are. So we found a structure and then we had everything pumped out and we're gonna have it pumped out again and then we're gonna install two new structures as you come down. Cause that's a lot of water to go a long way. We're also going up from 18 inch to 24 inch pipe. Just like, we just gotta do this, bite the bullet and do it right. And so because it just seems like it, we just can't keep patching it. These events aren't gonna get smaller. Exactly, you know. So yeah, just get that though, you know. Cause that's really dangerous down through there. It is, yeah. For a lot of reasons. Yeah, no, it is. I agree. So hopefully, so we have had a couple of hydraulic studies. So there are some culverts in town that are being upsized. So you just, you know, you can't keep doing. What is that? Is that the definition of insanity? Do the same thing over again, expecting different results. You know, we gotta stop that. And again, I will say that, you know, having been a part of the spring flood a couple of years ago and most of what I've seen is the areas that we have improved weren't damaged or sustained little damage. They held up, yeah. There are a couple of areas that are just repeat offenders. We do have a couple of them, but I would say overall, you know, even like, you know, one example was like, if you go up Ringe, anybody goes up Ringe, you know, we had stone lined ditch like the upper half of Ringe in 19. And that all held up really well. And it was just the only stuff that we didn't do on the bottom that blew out. So. Campbell held up really well. Yeah. So I think there's a lot of like positives out there. And I do think that one thing, and we'll continue to work on that is, you know, some of our success this time around was from Irene and the 19 flood of our own citizens recognizing that there's an event and getting out there and cleaning debris out of their culverts. Because like I was talking about today in the offices, a majority of the storm water damage comes from private landowners. So that water comes off their property onto the town structures. So the better that we can collect that debris, because most of that debris comes off of the private landowners, the best that we can collect that debris before it hits our structures, the bridges and the small culverts and stuff, the better off will be. And I think some people in town have kind of got an eye for it now. Like when we had that bad event, they kind of mobilize their own stuff and they're ready to unplug that one or two culverts that's near their house. And maybe the better that we do that as a community, we'll continue to see some positives going forward with that. So, because, you know, just learning, you know, Alex Reister had spent a lot of time up on Campbrook Road, keeping some select culverts that he knew were issues before. You know, the culvert that we were just talking about, that's the state's culvert, but, you know, the one just on Pleasant Street, which was the one that, you know, basically sunk the trailer park last time because it just was overwhelmed and then all the water just decided to go out behind the fire station around and really wreaked a lot of havoc because Nellie did it go through the trailer park, but then it crossed the road again over to the other houses. And we were able to, you know, Paul, correct me if I'm wrong. I mean, once that water started coming this time, we were able to correct it within an hour or two and it receded back. So- Yes, yes. Yeah. Going in there and digging it out made a big difference because the two smaller ones just up line from that, the one at the fire station and then the one closer to my house, you know, they're just not meant to handle that big and overflow of water. So, yeah, Derek got in there and took care of business and that saved it. And I think, you know, we're gonna continue to educate ourselves on these things. And, you know, Teresa had already had, you know, a handful of contractors mobilized in certain parts of the town. So they were already kind of looking at some of the problem areas that are historically, you know, the repeat offenders and they were there to respond quickly. I think some of the thing, you know, just thinking about it as you're talking as last year in our, maybe it's something to bring up at town meeting is we, I think I know for a fact I wrote this and went like the select board town manager or whatever report. Sometime, and I remember this distinctly in 2019, people who have longer driveways, you know, it's their responsibility to crown it and ditch their own driveway because I know for a fact, I remember specifically a place on Lilliesville, someone lived up and all their stuff slid off, plugged our culvert. So then it just tore out the road. It just pulled out the road. And it was like, you know, my culvert wasn't plugged until your stuff came down your driveway. And then you plugged my culvert and you just blew out the entire road. I mean, a chunk of road. And we did address that, but maybe it's a matter of bringing it up and talking about it at town meeting. And, you know, if you have a driveway culvert, it's your responsibility to keep it open. If you have a driveway that goes up, the enters, you need to crown this so it sheets off. But we have had several people who've said they have springs and other things behind their house. So those start, you know, and then all this water, as Chris is saying, is coming off there. So we've said, ditch your own property out back, you know, put in a ditch and try to, so A, you're not filling your basement, but maybe we can divert it if it could go a little further out into the woods or the grass, it wouldn't eat out the roads. Huh? Yeah. Managing storm water. Yeah, and we have contractor come out and educate us. I think that's part of it. If you've never lived on property that pitches like that or has their springs or you're on top of a mountain and you have the mountain fall and runoff, like those are variables you can't, if you're not, if you don't grow up with that, you don't anticipate that. So I think that could be a really good help to remind. Maybe we'll do a little more of that in town report this year, just talking about, you know, what your responsibility is, talk to a contractor or, you know, there's ways to deal with it on your own property. And then there's, you know, less road damage. And, you know, that also impacts your neighbor because your stuff comes down, floods a culvert and all of a sudden you've possibly flooded your neighbor below you and, you know, torn out their road or whatever. And I think we still can do a little more now that we're more educated on, you know, we always know that we divide everything up into quadrants. Yeah, yes. You know, you have the Gilead portion, you know, we know where those areas are. And then we have the West Quadrant, which is out in like Louisville area and where you're in those places. And, you know, then you get the Christian Hill segment and we kind of know where those kind of areas are now. And I think maybe we can start to add some documentation to our like emergency preparedness-type guides of, you know, like, Theresa did a good job this time, but what if Theresa's in here, right? Like, how do we do then? So, but it was kind of nice that we're heading towards the point of almost being like, okay, here are our go-to people. So if we get one of these storms, which we get one of these storms about every four and a half years now, right? So if we get one of these storms that we know is coming, then we can activate these individuals to watch these segments of road, right? So if you have somebody that has volunteered or two people that's volunteered for the Louisville area, then they throughout the storm, they're kind of looking at these problem areas and when they arise, typically these would be people with equipment because it helps, but you know, then they can do things, right? And the same thing with, you know, we did some of that this time around, but you know, that was based upon Theresa acting ahead of time. But, you know, if Theresa isn't here or the luck board's not here, who does that? It'd be nice to have that game plan like, just let you know, okay, you have to call so-and-so, they're in, they're gonna look at this. Yeah, and your emergency plan, we have, you know, the contractors. And it was, you know, I talked to Morgan and of course, you know, so we called the usuals, we also found out who has equipment. Yeah. So then we're like, so who has equipment around us? We actually located a logger and then, so we're like, do we have any other loggers? Cause loggers can build water buyers and they can build roads. So who's got a skitter? Who's got a bulldozer? So we were, right, you know, figuring out who's where? You know, like I know, you know, WB is on Gilead. He'll take care of it. So you have some people stationed and then, and we were lucky this time that we actually had, you know, in this case, we had at least one other party in town. So we were able to be like, oh, and perfectly they were in a separate section because my concern going into it is, okay, if this is Irene, cause they're telling us in the background that this is what you're looking at is, okay, so where do we have people so we can get in or who's out that can start building their way in? Who can bring, you know, so you're doing that. And we bought material ahead of time. We are right after, I guess we started, we already had material. We started trucking. We got more material after as soon as we could because, you know, Chris was like, hey, Trice, you know, there's going to be a big demand. I'm like, yep. So we started calling, we had people hauling in, but you know, it's, and then it's a rush for everybody's fighting over the same contractors and the same materials. But, I mean, there's still towns that haven't even gotten to the wall. There's towns that are just sitting there like, okay, we kind of know what we need to do, but they haven't even started the process to, you know, bid stuff or, you know. And we've shared certainly all, you know, bid documents, all sorts of stuff. I was out doing road inspections with a gentleman, Mike Blakesy from the state of Vermont. And then he's, hey, Trice, can you come talk to the so-and-so from another town? Like, sure, just email me and I'll send you the spreadsheet and you know, call me if it was a work, you know, everybody, what I like is everybody tries to share resources and, you know, and helpful. So in this time, 2019, we were lucky because we were one of the few hammered. So the state didn't have a lot of projects. So they had a lot of assistance to give us, but in this time round, they were hammered. So, you know, I mean, they've been great, but certainly had their own hands full, but it takes a- And all these storms are different. I mean, you look at the Irene storm versus the 19 storm versus the most recent one, and they all hit the town differently. Different segments of the town were hit or not hit. So you never know where these storms, you know, just because it's coming to Bethel, you know, one side of town, you know, doesn't even take the effect other than light stuff, you know, and then one town, you know, like we get the storm, what, the Friday, right before, it was dry on Camp Brook. Just hit the Cleveland, Brooklyn, and North Road, like, you know, really nowhere else really got hit. Camp Brook didn't get any rain, you know? Yeah. Love out that way. Yeah, it was- Under the underpass there was working on, that was closed because there's like five feet of water for a while, so they had to unblock it from there to the river. Yeah, because I had someone on Camp Brook and they were like, it didn't even rain up here. No, it was just so it's odd, you know? And then in that instance, when we did lose Cleveland Brook, I was getting calls, you lost a bridge. I'm like, no, I didn't. Not a bridge right there. I did not lose a bridge. What ended up happening was a huge rock dislodged plugged the state's culvert like a quirk. And I was talking to Chris Bumby, he's like, they can't plan for that. He's like, this, you know, this is it. So that's what happened. I'm like, you know, because I had multiple people saying, oh, you have a bridge and the state's culvert. I said, I do not. And so, and I didn't. They had a big rock in it. So it's just snowballs. You know, and definitely one thing that we did see more of this time around, which again, this storm was here longer. So there was more time to act inside the storm because it was more of a rainstorm than it was a hurricane. You know, the hurricane's kind of, you know, they come into an area of like 12 hours or less than 12 hours and they dump everything, right? So ours was kind of more prolonged. We had more time, but we also saw, at least in my opinion, saw more individual citizens out there helping. Absolutely. Because again, we can't just assume that the road crew, which is only three man band and the fire department is going to be able to do, and they're able to do a lot. The thing is, as soon as, especially our fire department being swift water rescue, as soon as they get a call out, which in a flood situation, they're going to get a call out because they're swift water rescue, they lose half the department like instantly is gone, right? And so, you know, where they're trying to help pump out houses or rescue people, rescue people or keep roads closed or whatever like that. You know, the more citizen involvement that we can have, the better. I do think that's a misunderstanding of sometimes the people there, how come you didn't have people out? When you have three people and it's flooding and Lindley can attest, we had, I had, I was in the office at 5 a.m. and we had spreadsheets and people are calling. And so our role is to, at that point, is it's totally safety related. So the road crew at the out time, the only thing they're doing is closing roads, putting up cones, making sure people are injured. And you're just, you don't have time to put anybody, any of them in a piece of equipment, you know, to keep going. And you kind of, I was messaging with Ryan Slack in the state of Vermont. And he said, you know, Teresa, at some point you just stop, let it rain and you'll deal with the aftermath. And I'm like, you know, okay. And that's kind of what happens, but you were, but you know, it's really safety of people. And we had a lot of lookie-loos. People going out after, I was like, oh. You know, we had evacuated, evacuated two sections of town and then people going over roads. And because we were so saturated already, a road that's this wide, you know, I remember going out and we lost like a good six, eight inches of road in the day. And I'm like, finally putting a message out on front porch forum, Facebook saying, if you don't live on it, don't drive on it. You know, I mean, you know, because we had 15 or 16 people stranded at the end of the day, Monday. By Tuesday, we regrouped Tuesday morning, we got everybody out. And then, you know, and well, in Purim, we had to build something to get them out. And so, you know, we were lucky. We have an excellent fire department and everybody kind of worked together. But I think without the citizens keeping some things open, we had a gentleman Bryson today from Camp Bell and he kept a culvert open. He said, I'm really trying to mobilize my neighbors to tell him, Durness, if there's a stick in your culvert, go get it out because it's just gonna, I'm like, you go, it's helpful. I think we've realized that there are some materials that we need to acquire to help us in that process. Like one thing that came up quickly was like sandbags. Anybody got them? And nobody's like, nobody's got a sandbag, right? So maybe there's some of these supplies that we can start to put into our budget or get some grant money for to buy that we could have at an area for things like that, like we ran into like big things that you run into that is science. Like just to get signage up to say road closed or, you know, I mean, we're borrowing, stealing from everybody in a can or cones or, you know, salination devices. So speaking of that, Joe wants to know he's getting signs back, but my guy. But, you know, there's a lot of, I think there's like material stuff that we could probably do better at acquiring and maybe putting in a conics box or something away that gets our emergency stash. So if you need it, we'll only get into it at that point. Because we did just buy more because I asked through FEMA if we could do that, but it's beyond comprehension for me when we had the amount of theft that we had. People stealing cones, stealing stuff, moving signs, road closed signs. Writing on signs. And people stealing even the stakes that we painstakingly went out and drove over the ground and measured and marked and this and that. But I mean, especially like up on campbell, I mean, we lost tons everywhere, fiddly here and there. But on camp, Brooke, people who were stopping, moving the cones, stacking them up and throwing them in the hole. I'm like, you know. And they're not kids. No, some of the, no. And quickly you want to say kids, right? But we know in certain instances that they're clearly not kids. So I'm sure there are some kids that did stuff that. But they're definitely adults, you know, that are doing that. It's such a safety hazard. And we've had a lot of things stolen. And so to me, that's just, I guess I just wouldn't imagine ever doing that and the accident that could cause and you know, people don't understand until you work in the road that the VASC that you have on doesn't do anything for you, you know. Does FEMA offer the ability for us to acquire items like that to have on hand for the next event type deal? No, we're ordering them as the case of we needed them and. Maybe we can keep them and put them away for another time. Right, so well, we had so many stolen. Some of the ones that pike gave us that had pavement on them. Luckily, Morgan said, I lost 30 cones last night. Someone stole them. And I was like, you're kidding. He goes, well, luckily they were all the pike cones that had pavement on them. I'm like, oh, I said, do you know how big of a bill we're gonna have to pay them back? Yeah. But people, but I'm like, you know, and we found some in the woods and some over the bank and but some of them we didn't find. And I just. I'm just in a pool and I've been meaning to ask my business partners if they know about this, but there's two stacks of traffic cones that just appeared behind our building recently. Oh, really? Oh, really? And I was wondering if they. One of them is like a New Jersey Department of Transit. And I was like, where did this come from? Two, it's maybe not even 10 of them total, but it's like little stacks, just. Well, let us know, it's like. Because I think. We're missing a bunch. I think, do you say pike on them? No. Yeah. If my partners say they're not, they don't know their way. If you let me know. You guys, because. Yeah, please. Within this week, they just appear to be like. If someone has a stash of 50 cones. Oscar, go see Linley. I think she's been stealing cones. Well, driver. I appreciate it. I appreciate the update, but I'm wondering if we can move ahead. Oh, if he wants to move ahead. Yeah. So yeah, so if you see your neighbor has 50 cones, call me. See you later. I'll take care. It's nice to see you, Christy. Yeah, town managers report. Left on there. I think so. Look at it. Talk about the back and touch grant, the brick grant, but I really just gave you an update on all the grants. Anybody hasn't seen the Boegrat stairs and stuff. It looks really nice. They did a really good job on the. Backside of the ball field. There's stairs that used to be an old path. There's they built the, well, they just finished them. I think literally less Friday night. They look really great. They go up to the ball field from the ball field up to the back of the church. So no, the town manager were just an update on all the grants. So really, and from the fact that Rick and I had Lister training, but it was a rough day. That's it. And then the minutes, anything. And the minutes from September 11th. Anybody have any amendments to that? If not, just need a motion to approve. Dean, it's on you. I wasn't here. Second. Okay. Aye. All right. We're good. And there was a conservation commission, planning commission notes in there. Recreation. And there was a letter from Brian Wright and there was the big thing I send you from White River Valley Climate Energy prioritization that their last minutes were in there as well. All right. Any other business come up with the board? I was reminded in the minutes about our conversation about garbage and wonder if there's any more information on that. No. I talked to the lawyer briefly and it'll be at least another meeting or two before I can get back to it. But I did talk to him about it. So. Thank you. You're welcome. Anything else? Move to adjourn before you can have it. All right. Even with Dave not here? Okay. All in favor? All right. All right. We'll have a good night everybody.