 non-agenda items. Hearing none, changes or additions to the agenda. Mr. Road Commissioner, what update do you have of anything for us? Just about the truck is just that I've talked to them and they're working with us to get the solution, JNB International. And I'm hoping to get answers by the end of this week. So when you get answers, do you need to have somebody on the board to run a NIS-5 that's going to cost money? What do you need from us? Well, it depends on how much money it is. If it's half of what they estimated, then I think I can just take that out on my budget. So it was estimated like 32? 32. So if it's like 15 or 16? Right, I think I've got authority to do that. Yeah, yeah, because there's maintenance. So that would get us one more winter out of that truck and then we'd trade it. Right, and I would put it in low use. I wouldn't put a lot of miles on it if this happens just so that we don't have this repair again. You have to keep that balance in order. Right. I mean, I'm not saying that that's what's going to happen. I haven't really got an answer from them yet. Right. I'm hoping to have some more answers this week. I've also been communicating with Charlie Voice which also sells Western Stars. You're the ones across the pond, right? Yeah, yeah. And they offered to come and take a look at our truck to give us, put a trade number together. Right, I see it. In case that was a lot, you know, if that's what we had to do. Right. Because he said that he was interested in it and given us a trade. Of course, the money's not going to be there with a bad motor. Right, yeah, sure. But whether he's got something up his sleeve, maybe he's got a motor himself that he's controlling it. And, you know, but it would be good to have that, that trade number in our path so that we can know, you know, if it's a feasible thing or what. Yeah, I think it's one having the conversation, even given whatever this other guy says, you know, it's the one that think the conversation. Right. And my husband's been buying all of his trucks and equipment from around Charlie Boys for more than 30 years. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Very reputable establishment. Yeah, I've heard of Charlie Boys before. I didn't realize they were in, across the lake. Well, it's in Milton, but the Western Star. Oh, that's right, because J.B. is the Western Star for Vermont. Right. So he also said that another option that he could provide for us is switching the equipment. So if we decided to buy a new cabin chassis, he could take the equipment off of our old truck and put it right on the new truck in-house. They can do that right at their own facility. That's Charlie Boys? Charlie Boys. So that's, I've asked him to give me a quote for that. Also, just to compare the quote that I got from HB Fairfield. Yeah, okay. For our switching equipment. So it's really unknown which way we're going with this. I wish I had more to tell you. Right. I'm really trying to work with J. and B. So that they stay on the friendly side. Right. So he assured me that he would have answers this week. Yeah, we don't want to burn bridges. Right. Well, we've done a lot of business with them. Yeah. And they've been good to us. Yeah. And this is just kind of a hurdle that we've got to get over. And hopefully we can do it in a peaceful manner. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure they're dealing with this with other trucks of the same issues. Yeah, they are. Yeah, it's not just international. There's other brands that have the same issues. We just have, we've just been lucky to have what's effective week one. I mean, it was just that year. It was, you know, between 2010 and 2012 though. So they're weak years for that particular motor. Alrighty. Thank you. Yeah. Month season's over. Month season's about over. Yeah, we're still hauling a little bit of gravel to some of the shaded wet spots. Yeah. But the graders are out and it's going to rain this week, so it's going to slow us down. But trying to get the main drags first and we're getting a lot of thumbs up already. So good if we're happy. Yeah. And as you can see coming in, maybe there's dust flying around already. So it goes from mud and slop to fighting dust. Yeah. So, but we've got chloride left over from last year and that's not going to be a problem. Right. And we need it. We'll get it on. Good. Yeah. Wonderful. Thank you. Thank you very much. You're welcome. All right. Is the beaver in the road over here, you guys are done with you? I might have done them like that. Is that allowed on my old car? Oh, maybe, yeah. On your own? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's already an old road that plopped over the road. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, really? Oh. You guys see a lot of turtles and the salivators and all that stuff this time of year? Pretty soon. Turtles will a little bit later. Yeah. They'll start coming to the road and lay their eggs. Yeah. Yeah. Turtles. I was thinking that actually about that last year that the painted turtles come across south of Pondra right by the deforges every year and they get the squish laying their eggs and thinking if we could dump a pile of sand on that edge there and they could go and hit the sand pond side. Yeah. Or if the neighborhood could do that and we could help out. And then they would put the eggs in there instead of going on the road. Yeah. Yeah, so that's about all I got to do as far as the roads. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, green up day. Green up day. Right. So, green up day, I guess there's no update from Toby because he's not here. Who's our green up coordinator? It is Joanne. She's working. She's, Jamie's involved. I think her name is Jane or Joanne. I was talking to the robot. Joanne. Yes, that's it. She'll go up the hill here. Yeah. So, there's going to be two pickup sites. One in Maple Corner and one at Moscow Woods, right? They've actually formed a volunteer committee. Yes. And I'm on that committee. Oh, good for you. So, tell us what's going on with the committee. Because I've always done green up day. So, I was, I was. Perfect choice. Yeah. So, we're going to have two locations. One where it always is at East Callas and one at Maple Corner's store. And we're going to have ice cream this year. Oh, Ben and Jerry's going to donate? No, we're going to purchase it. Which I was volunteered to go and pick the ice cream up. That's a tough job. It's so nice that it's here, right? It's tired, it's tired. So, we're going to have ice cream there. Joanne is buying t-shirts for the volunteers to wear it. We're for us to bring them the t-shirts. Is that out of the grant money? Yeah, I think some pocket of money. Yeah, there's like $400 or something, I think. Yeah, okay. Yeah. I guess Rob Richard has donated his truck again to set in Maple Corner's. So, that's good. He'll meet me over there in East Callas and we'll just transfer the trash from one truck to the other that day. And that day, you take tires that day? We do, if we find them alongside the road. If people find them on the road, we do take them. But, I mean, it's hard to tell. But it looks like it's come out of somebody's basement or garage, and we're turning them away. But most of them, we take them. And then we've always gotten a grant for that also, which pays for getting rid of the tires. Which not every year, we have enough tires to make it worth it. So, it seems like, Don remembers, it's like every other year. You're right, it wasn't that big of an expense, did it? Right, right. So, I let them build up and then I have a guy come and take them when there's enough to make it worth it. So, yeah, I guess we should hope for decent weather on Greenup and get a lot of people out there. And they were talking about having a little competition, too, and I didn't get all the blowdown on that one. I think she was talking about a raffle or something. A raffle, yeah, for people to bring the most bags of Greenup. So, I guess the store is giving something to raffle and then there was some baked goods going to be made as gifts or prizes. Yeah. Yeah, I'm waiting for them to hit me up with baked goods. Oh, maybe you'll be the lucky one. I don't know. So, yeah, I mean, that's about all I know about the Greenup. Okay, that's it. It's gonna happen. We're gonna have two town trucks over here, one for tires and one for trash. Nice. Hopefully, it'll be good weather. Ice cream, ice cream, ice cream, ice cream, ice cream, ice cream, ice cream, ice cream, ice cream, ice cream. Are you gonna put, I have ice cream at both places? Yeah, yeah, they asked me if I could buy two different, two tubs of it, so one for each place. Yeah, yeah. Nice. And they want colons to it, so I gotta buy colons. So, instead of having dishes and spoons and all that, I guess that makes sense. I'm gonna just dish it into a colon and make sure people can take it. If you don't want the colons, they're related. Yeah, right. So, I have a question. A little bit off topic that has to do with your safety. What did you experience with ticks last year? Not much for ticks. There was a lot of ticks last year. I didn't encounter them during Greenup Day, but. Well, I was taking the road crew. In general. Did you do summer? You guys get much exposure? I've been doing brush. Didn't really see them. Okay. I mean, I didn't have any on me and I didn't hear if the guys had any on us either, but they're out there. I mean. Yeah, they're already saying they're out now. And the reason I just asked, I was in Bennington last week and just walking through a field, I'm not kidding, I was covered with deer ticks. I pulled 12 off. Wow. Like little guys and then I did it again. It was another 10 and then I found one. It went to the bathroom. So I don't know if it's, at some point it's gonna migrate up here. Yeah, right. So I just, I don't hear you guys pretty well educated on ticks and what to do. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of ticks, I, it's a little off topic, but then I'll go. Tell us something for you. Oh, he does. Okay. The other morning I got up to go to work and I looked out my door. It was this huge move sitting right, like five feet from the corner of my house. Wow. So I'm like, wow, that's really weird. It's good. But it didn't look super healthy. So I was like watching it and I was like, I think I'm acting right. So I stayed a little bit longer to keep watching it and it was just like very docile and you can see where it had laid down in several different places and where it had blood. Yeah. It was blood. Ew. Turns out it was ticks. The thing was just infested. Oh my God. Moose ticks that are biggest but they're winter ticks. They're huge and I didn't give it a thought. I called the game where I said, there's a moose at my house and it's acting really weird. You ought to come take a look. Yeah, okay. So then my wife calls me at work later and says the moose got scared of my cows because it went down by my cows and cows are gonna, you know, this is my place. So the thing ran down towards the road and was laying in the middle of the road. So, okay, now this is how it's a hazard for people traveling. So I called him back and the gate worn back and said, you know, you got to get here. So he came and took care of it. But he's the one that told me that it was ticks. He dispatched it? Did he kill it? Yeah, he did. In fact, I heard the shot from the town grounds. But that's where the blood was coming was from these ticks. Because he said they popped like grape, not the grossed out, but they laid out about the size of a grape. And when they lay down, they pops and that's where the blood comes from. So yeah, I mean, it was just, you could tell it was not healthy. It was like, it could hardly hold its head up. And so it was a bad, I mean, it was a great sight to see it moves out of my house. But at the same time, at least, you know, I wish it was in better shape and was able to run off into the woods. Yeah, it was supposed to. Yeah. So that was found inside the story. And it's all related to ticks, but they're here, they are definitely here. Yeah. Yeah. I give my dogs oral medication. Oh yeah. Yeah, we do too. Yeah. But people can't take it. I don't know why they don't have something for people. We could take the revacto for people. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you might not want to. No. No. All right. So John's got something for you. Okay. What do you want? I want to do it the hard way. I want to hear about the gravel. Well, we're on town hall update, so this is perfect. Oh, sure. You can take it with you. And I think my notes are kind of clear and we can talk about it. It has to do with a portion of the town hall project, which is outside of Saraswark stuff. It's access to the building. And it turns out the only improvements, the only work we can do on the building, which can be paid for, with the scale we're going for, is work that happens after September 1st. This is the Vermont cultural facilities, Vermont Council, and there it's cultural facilities. So the trick is because... It's not when things are invoiced. We're in the river like for accessible stuff. So any meaningful accessibility stuff has to happen like after September 1st, for how to count. So you can include demo. Right. But we don't, we can't wait to demo, so. Yeah, right. We have things that are going to happen before September 1st, and things that are going to happen after that will feed into the grant. Well, we have a whole pile of town hall updates stuffed thanks to the dynamic duo. Yeah, some of this. Trio. Right. It's the trio. Yeah, trio. I won't say that. We were in there. You two guys. I think so. All the scores there too. So we have. The material we got. But, John, maybe you want to take it off this side. You two have one. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, if you're done with me, fine. Yeah. John, I can step outside. Well, the second we need John to the town hall update. I don't need to go over it. Why don't you check it out? I'll check it out and get it to all or something. Yeah. Sure. All right, thanks. I'll paint it. I'll have to take care of it. Yeah. See ya. All right. You want to start with CPG? Which one do you want to, where do you want to start with the update? That is a revised contract. Right. We've done the first segment, which was promotion materials and everything that we put out for town meeting. And now we are working on fundraising. So we have a donor list that we've been asked for money. We have a list of foundations that we're reviewing. And then this portion of her contract is helping us with that. So yeah, the documents are in the Google folder thanks to Kay. And the increase is. Well, she will only charge us what she actually does. So we've paid CPG 4352 so far. The original contract was estimated at 5,800. But she agreed to do some more fundraising activities to help out. So she's looking at a new estimate of $35 to $3,800. So I don't know if people had a chance to review this. And she, there's nothing to sign tonight, but I think we're looking to see if the board will authorize me to sign it when it's ready. Well, it is ready. I mean, if you have it. Oh, I guess there's no sign. There's no signature page because I printed it off. Oh, right here. We're kind of call us right here. Oh, there. Okay. Yeah. I think it's down. You remember Katie? Yeah, I'm looking at it, too. The word? Not the facility. No, that's the RFP piece. It might be, it's that one. 2018. Yeah, it's that one. Because we already had signed on with Christine Brammer. And it seems like we could really use her help with some more of this. Is she gonna do some database search to look at potential jammers to see what they've donated to in the past to see what their interests are, whether it's, you know, municipal or historic or cultural, which would be helpful. And then the foundation list, too, because foundations, if they give us money. Is there a signature page on that? I've got it here, though. But you said it's on the second page, right? Right there, right? Here it is. It says January 24th. I think that's the all new one. Okay, do you have a new one? It says. It says the signature page on it. And that's what happened last time. There wasn't a signature page. So the board authorized me to sign it and I signed it at one of the town hall meetings. I think she kind of tacked this on to the last few days. Yeah. There's no signature page for the dindum. There's a signature page for the regional. Right, which we already did that. So we may have to ask her for a new signature page with the, let me just look at the file for you. Only Shayna Shona's actual time will be built. No foundation research or fundraising planning will be initiated until the result of the town meeting is about as known. So we already did that. Really, it's the first page of this document that is the dindum. Right, that is the new piece. Now that's old stuff. So yeah, because this is dated 322-18, the first page, Donna. And on the first page, like three quarters of the way down, it talks about the difference in the costs. Right. I mean, if you want to, you can just sign the bottom right there. Yeah, I mean, she's already started doing the work. So does anybody have any questions? Questions, all right. So would the board like to make a motion to authorize me to sign this dindum? Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Alrighty. One document down. Okay, what else is on the list? If you get that to me, I will scan it to her and then give the original to Sandra in the file. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. All right, next. RFP, and this is a big deal, the RFP. Scott worked on it. We asked Jim to review it, and we're glad that we did because he came up with some helpful advice, some attachments to be used. Scott, do you want to? The best thing he's doing is making it a lot shorter. That's really good, and it's kind of important because I don't know, maybe we'll be doing a number of these as time goes on, and so this will be sort of our model for RFPs. Basically, it's got the basic information about who we are, what we need, and what our timetable is. And he covers all the stuff about insurance, independent contractors, and all the stuff that the town has to be careful of, liability, and all that. Yes, exactly. So. I just feel quite comfortable having him spend some, having him spend some time on it. Right. I think it's about as good as we can get it. This one was, well. This one is for the, to put out RFPs to lift the building? Lift the building, yeah. And lower it. Right, and lower it back down. Of course, I'll leave it up there. I'll leave it up there. Suspended new. Right. The floating town. And so the idea is for this to go out. I'd love to see us able to put it out on the 8th of May, about a week or so from now. Right. Then spend two weeks, let it sit out there for two weeks, have a return date of the day before our usual Wednesday town hall committee meeting. Right. Then hopefully the returns would be there on Wednesday morning. We could take a look at them, think about them, make a recommendation for the select board on the meeting that would happen on the Monday after that in, I think it's probably your last meeting in May. Yeah, I think that, I read this, believe it or not. And I think it said that the select board was gonna open seal the proposal to be accepted. Proposals delivered by email. It is anticipated that the select board will select the preferred proposal. Yeah. Okay, so that's different. Control the first term, so. Right. But the committee could open the bids is what you're suggesting. Yeah, yeah, we open it off. Make a recommendation. Make a recommendation. Yeah. Do we have any sense of how many people might respond to the RF, how many companies might respond to the RFP? Two. Mm-hmm, there's two. There's Messier and there's Rogers, right? Right, but yeah, but who knows? I mean, there might be other companies out there that we're not aware of. The two weeks definitely gives you enough time for them to come in and do inspections as required for the RFP. And we'll put this around enough to be diligent about it. I don't think we'll advertise it statewide. Put it around in the town. And that's sort of the form for the whole project, really, is that we hope all the contractors will be fairly local. Right. And that we definitely want to give preference to local contractors. So I may get there on the internet from somebody else putting it there. I think we'll probably post it around town and maybe put it on the website. Website, I'll name it. Yeah. So do we, what does the board need to do with this? Anything? Just to authorize. Authorize, need a sign-in. There has to be a sign-in and the RFP. Rogers. Yeah. We'll make copies to the two people we know about. Right, and this needs to get put in final, maybe for Wednesday morning. I could sign it Wednesday morning. How do you want to do it? The RFP is just a document that just goes out. Right, but this also says draft and stuff on it? Well, that's the contract. That's the draft contract, which, you know, maybe Jim just sort of volunteered that. I think he had it in his files and said, oh, I'll put that one on his attic. That's not part of the RFP. It's just the first two pages. Okay, so we don't need to sign anything. Okay, very good. But then once we get somebody, we'll definitely want to do a contract, and that'll be another process to spend some time again with Jim and with whoever's the chosen. Yeah, yeah. Whoever's the chosen one. Whoever, yeah. It's a big deal. It is a big deal. This is really happening. I know. All those years. I know, I know. It's really happening. But a good building under that roof, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anything else from the board on the RFP? I mean, Cliff and I have kind of been involved in... Every Wednesday morning. Every Wednesday morning. Yeah, right nearly. Denise's favorite meeting of the month. And I've made it. There's only one store. Not easy at Congress. Yeah. That's good, Denise. Wow. Wow. It's pretty good morning. I think Denise has the best attendance. Denise and Donna, I think. I think that's something something. All right, so. That's great. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you for working with me. You know, I've sent out RFPs for CLG grants without nobody. So, again, we're kind of holding our breath on. We love you. OK, Vermont Arts Council. Donna has put in countless hours on this document. What I liked about reading like the RFP thing and this and stuff is the history. Oh, yeah. It's really interesting. Yeah, yeah. That was used for cultural and stuff uses way back. Yeah. You know, they did dinners and it was really interesting. I found one tie ball. I emailed it to you. I already found that. OK. Thank you. So this is evolving. What we're working on right now is we have to have expenses of $60,000. And so we're going with the lift as the big money piece. And then what Alfred's working on is gravel and the ramp that goes the wheelchair accessible ramp. And then there's the bathroom. Right. So in that write up, some of that stuff may be thrown out. Like, we're not going to talk about the bathroom if we can get to $60,000 with just the accessible entrance and the lift. Right. The bathroom's a bigger budget piece. Yeah. So anyway, Lisa and Ryan's coming to our house on Wednesday at 3.30. She has sent her a PDF of all the pages of the grant. And we're going to sit down and go through it. Right. But we're still fine tuning the numbers. And actually, what are we going to ask for? And it has to be submitted by May 1st. Yeah. I'm going to submit this by the weekend. Yeah, OK. I don't want to come into any computer glitches or anything. Oh, no. No. And I'm not sure. And maybe Scott knows, which what Denise would sign. I don't see anything on the website about select board signature. Is there? Well, the CLG grants, those are the ones I'm going to do with, because Denise has to sign the grant application form. Which CLG gives us and the budget. I'll ask Lisa when she comes on Wednesday. Yeah. Because this is all on their website. There's nothing. And you submit everything electronically, right? Yeah, it's all in there now. Right. Just push the button. And we got some really good people for the key individuals. Oh, for the what? For the key individuals. Yeah, I asked Lisa, who should we list? Yeah. And those are the ones that she suggested. Perfect. So I guess the select board just needs to authorize you to sign it, if there's something to sign. It may not be online, but I'll find out from Lisa on Wednesday. Yeah, because we don't have electronic signature stuff, right? I don't even see a spot to sign. I don't see anything. Does the board have any questions about this remote arts council grant and that it's for the handicapped accessibility stuff? That's good. I read it. It was beautiful. You did a really nice job. John, I met with Bob Webber here today. He's the Lyft person. Yeah. He made some suggestions and improvements, right? Well. More expensive, but. When we met with the remote council of the arts regarding the grant for accessibility, David, Chiefs, and I always saw that we knew that the performance platform, the stage accessible was there. We knew it was kind of there. But we were hoping that we didn't pretend it wasn't there. It would go away. How to say online? It didn't when we went to meet with that. Michelle Bailey, remote council on the arts. We've got to deal with it sooner rather than later. The stage itself? There was no temporary kind of someone happens to be in a wheelchair and you want to use the stage. You can scramble around and over lift real quick. So the most economical solution is the lift we have. It goes from the lower level to the second floor level. The current one? Or the new one that you're in. But then that same lift, you get in it and go up another 20 inches, and then there's a side door. So it's got a front door, but also a side door. And you go up that extra 20 inches, the side door opens up. And then you can wheel right onto the stage. And then Bob Webber said, for those of you who read the application, I talk about using the lift and carry chairs, and you can't use it. You can't do that? What about? You can't say you're going to use that. There will be a sign that says you can't use it. But we're coming in. Oh, we know we're going to use it. It's a question of whether you're going to use it or not. I'm going to take that out of the grand application. Oh, boy. I live and learn, huh? Well, it's like everybody you talk to. You learn some new pieces of information. How you doing? Good. How are you? Good. We're just getting, finishing up with our agenda item here. So just quickly, John did a schedule. And I typed it up and said she will pass. Yeah. This one here. This one here. Yeah. This is real. That's what it looks like. But I mean, when we do that, if there's something that the board needs to sign for this council, you want to have a motion authorizing me to do it. Yeah. So hold. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. All right. Yeah. This is quite the to-do list. I mean, this is huge. Well, one of the things we're going to have to do, that's with LeJohn and Scott met with Ernie. And that started the schedule. But then also, we have to determine what is going to happen before September 1st and after when we have to grab money. And what can happen before the rehearsal for the play start? What can't happen until the last day of the play? So yeah, there are these things in there that are organized in the schedule for us. The sad factors were already a month behind. And that's a good thing. $2,000 over budget. We haven't even started yet. What do you say that? Every time we talk to somebody, they say, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah. We're going to stop talking to people from out of town. There you go. Oh, and what was what we all came to understand at the last town hall meeting? And you guys know this yet. But there aren't going to be any select board meetings over there. No, that's all right. It's on the agenda to say. Yeah. That's the same here. Yeah. The building schedule. Oh, during the bill. Oh, I think it's this. Oh, no. Whoa. We were actually supposed to start meeting in May over there. And we're not going to be able to. So we need to update. We can sit on the lawn with a picnic blanket. Right. And with the ticks. And the ticks. All right. So anyways, yeah, we've been working on this donor list. We met last Wednesday morning. Then we met Wednesday at five o'clock. Same day to work on the donor list. And that was a couple of hours. There's all kinds of information. I don't know if you saw the spreadsheet. I did. It was one of those kinds that makes your head explode. What Christine will do is she'll take these names and she runs them through some kind of database that has the history of the giving of some of these folks. We got a year more than names now. Right. Yeah. And some of the names then maybe aren't worth putting him in. Yeah. Good. Okay. Well, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. See you later. Thank you guys. Thank you very much. Thank you. See you. See you Wednesday. We're going to do budget now. See you Wednesday. You didn't. Did you hear about the truck blowing up, Scott? Yeah. The motor. What's good is we've got a spare. We're not going to buy another one. We've got the spare. You don't need to buy another one. Okay, thanks, Scott. Okay. Thank you. We are just doing so good. Something else, isn't it? Exactly on time, which probably ever happens. Can you guys just sign in please? There's some agendas if you want an agenda. And then just join us. We're going to take you to the office. No, they failed us, so. Are they still talking? No, they're just not. Yeah, I was in here today. We're going to take you to the office. Hey, how are you? What's your dealer? I've been seeing you forever. I'm not going to have her over that life. How are you doing, Josh? How is everybody? Jeff, you must be Jeff. I'm Jeff. I'm here. Yeah. All hockey buddies. Hockey parents. Yeah. Hockey parents. Oh, boy. How old are your kids? I'm too old. You know, one more in school. Can you wait for me to go? My hockey playing point. And how do you really feel about it? Thank you. I really feel like everything. I've got two minutes. Yeah. I guess that's it. I guess that's it. So to, we just need to get right to the issues here. We had a surprise inspection at the East Cal's Recycling Center. They came back with, and the documents are in the folder, and they came back with this list of things, which you and I talked about. I sent it to you with a letter. So I guess we just need to talk and see how do we, how do we fix these things? I mean, I know some of them aren't anything that, you have any control over. So. The documents in the folder upside down. Upside down? Oh. Let me see. Can you rotate it? Yeah. I'm not sure. Yeah. It looks fine to me. Is there a way to rotate it? I've got to find something to open it with, because it's a scan. It almost looks scanned upside down, doesn't it? Yeah. I need to find an app to open it with. I scanned it to you upside down. I saved them without reading each one. I'm sorry. Try the dots. The three dots over there. We could download, and then. I might be able to if I use that, if I can pull it up as a PDF. Is this, your computer pulls up PDFs. Yeah, PDFs can rotate this week. I saved it as a PDF. Yeah, but he's got to pull up my PDF program. And then he can rotate it. There you go. I know that little arrow. I use it all the time. There you go. Okay. It's upside down. And the state sent an email just before we came to the meeting. They know that we're working on it, because we only had 30 days. And we only meet twice a month. So the timing, they don't give you much time. So I don't think they're going to do anything right now, so they know that we're working on it. So I thought we could go through the issues that they laid out and see if, and this is Bruce Westcott, you know, Bruce? Nope. Well, we'd never really met. No, but I did talk to you. No, I'm not this matter. Tiffany. And you know John. I'm Denise. I'm Ray. Cliff Evans. Call us selectively. And I'm Rose Peltrup. And Katie is our... So, thanks for coming, Bruce. And I just... So you understand our relationship, you know, we don't consult with them on their inspections. We don't have any control over any form of knowledge. And our goal is just to help... We, you know, we get copies of everything that happens in the district. And our goal is to say, here's how... We think it might be resolved and here's how we can help. Right. And that's why I asked you to come. Yeah. Yeah. Just to see if we can work through some of these issues. So let's start with the first one. The last trash area with food waste left on site at the close of business. Now, my understanding is that Grow Compost is responsible through you folks, CB, when... So Vermont Solid Waste Management District, to remove the food waste. And it sounds like that's not happening on a weekly basis. Does the contract expect that there? Yeah. You know, you may see it differently from your experience than what we know because I'm not there on site obviously. But we have had a contract with them which expires in June because it was a grant funded program for a year. Right. And we have a contract and it says they'll do it once a week. And they have it scheduled on a regular basis on Tuesdays. And we've inquired with them if we want to make a difference whether they can come Mondays instead. Of course, if they had to get everywhere on Mondays, because things dropped off on Saturdays, they probably couldn't do it. But the point is, there's no need to stay with them for a minute longer if you don't want to have another solution. Our obligation to you, our funding goes only through the end of June. So after that, there'll be another... Are we obligated to take food scraps? That was a little over. Well, there's... You received email this afternoon from the state. Right. From Deborah. Right. And she said food scraps collection is currently voluntary for both fast-tracked trash and category certification facilities. I dared to reply to her to say, in my view, and I'm not a lawyer, it's actually ambiguous in the statute as it is today. And there's a bill which has passed the Senate and has just been read out of the House Natural Resources Committee which removes that ambiguity. It's making it mandatory? Yeah. So it might be mandatory. So for rural, I thought there was a conversation when I talked about this beginning of this session. That has to do with curbside service in rural and non-rural areas. But basically, both for transfer... The idea was to make a level playing field so that the Language Act 140 talks about convenience. So the legislature wants to do this to say whether you're a fast-tracked or a municipal facility or any other kind of site, you've still got to accept food scraps. So there's arguably some ambiguity in the law. We think it's mandatory. All the transportation in our district is doing it. But everybody agreed in the legislature that we should make a minor change in the wording to ensure this. So that, frankly, I expect it will pass the next three weeks and takes effect on passage. So I think we should act as though it's mandatory to have food scraps collected. So how are we supposed to do that? Well, with a lot of places around the district, like here, we started out by saying here's a bin, here's signage, here's publicity, and here's a contractor who will pick it up for you as an approved... Right. But now, once this grant's going to end the end of June, then what? Well, we've encouraged everybody. What's happening all around the state is people are taking money to take your food scraps. So it ain't free anywhere. So do we have to come up with somebody to do that? Well, the site has to accept food scraps, and you don't have to charge for it, and there's no regulation on what you would charge, but you're under obligation to accept them and then to dispose of them properly. So can we take a couple steps back? Yeah. Just for clarification, you guys take the recyclables at the end of the day with you? We do. So... But not the food scraps. Historically, this was a categorical, certified facility, categorical facility. We've been here since 1854, right? Well, no, no, because when the districts ran it, there were on-site collection... There was on-site storage in these facilities there, and that stuff's all been removed. So we don't need a permit anymore for that place because we're just doing fast trash. So really, I mean, that could be had anywhere. I mean, the location could be... The location is just a place where the parrots pull over and do their thing. It's historically been our... In terms of, I was going to say, we don't need to renew that category of a certification because there's nothing that would demand that. I think it was just still... So then it wouldn't come under the state's... I think I had about a 10-year life in it. So we just kept it running. We didn't ask to have a revoke, but we could have just said revoke it. So then we wouldn't need to have the state coming up... Well, then the state wouldn't come and be inspecting us as a facility so a lot of this stuff falls away because we're actually more highly scrutinized because we're permitted to actually store stuff on site, but we don't do that anymore. We're permitted as the facility formally operated, but we don't do that stuff anymore. And if we're just fast trash, then we don't have to take food scraps? Well, then it falls to the hauler, correct? How does that work? That's what I was going to ask with this legislation that's working its way through. Does the hauler still going to be obligated to pick up fast trash in rural communities like this? Well, the chain... I don't have the actual bill language here, and I'm not a lawyer, and, you know, et cetera, et cetera. But again, the goal was to put everybody on... to maximize the convenience to the consumers by saying, if you do trash, you've got to do food scraps. So it's making sure that... But who is the you? If someone's been fast-trash in East Montpelier Village on Saturday morning, whatever they do, that fast-trash person has to take the food scraps. They're obligated. They can charge for it. But they're obligated to provide that opportunity. And then they can dispose of it in a number of ways. And, you know, in fact, it doesn't... I mean, and I could be incorrect, and we might not check with a lawyer, is that if you're providing a site for it, and you guys are just essentially acting as a... whether it's a contract or agreement or whatever, you could have somebody else there. You could have a local farmer who says, I want this for my chickens. You know, give it... with local-type volumes, you know, rural volumes. And again, there's... I got a three-page memo from Diane Bofffield at the Agency of Agriculture, because there's a little bit of, you know, who's got the potato between DEC and Agriculture around agricultural use, but depending upon volume, you know, feeding it to the chickens is perfectly good and low volume, right? So just like when we were in the food scrap hauling business, we had people who said, we want a winter haul away because it freezes, but in the summer, you know, a farmer would use it. What's that bill number, you know? S-285. It was passed by the Senate. It was read out of the Committee on Natural Resources in the House Friday. So it will be on the House calendar tomorrow. I'm sorry, it's not on the Tuesday calendar. It will be on the Wednesday calendar. But that depends on... because it also has our favorite topic, bottles in it. It may end up going to the Appropriations Committee or the Ways and Means Committee around the unclaimed nickels. So we don't know the legislative path exactly. But the issue of this particular provision that makes clear that everybody can take the food scraps was put in by the Senate. There was no debate on it in the House. So assuming the bill passes in any form at all, that's going to be part of it. So, John, what you're suggesting then could be our answer. Well, what I'm suggesting is we got a... that we just have it as a fast trash. We don't have it anymore. It's what I'm saying. We allow someone to use our property, but we are not part of it, the operation. No, no, no. It becomes a private operation and it falls to the hauler. Just... Where's the Cal State Elementary School scraps? Where are they going? Do we have a contract with Grove? I believe that Grove's picking off. So just for your edification before you came to the district, get that stuff up for free. And then they've got a new custodial staff there and I don't think he liked me or something. He took it away from me. And I used to feed my critters that food waste. I picked it up every week. But he's no longer working there. Right. He lasted about a year. So Grove's now school's paying for that again. Right. But it would be great if we could find a local user. I no longer have poultry. But it would be great if we could find someone who was interested in that and then we could combine what the pair is. Well, in the long term, we're working with a number of schools doing on-site composting. There you go. And it takes some equipment. It takes some training. It takes some commitment on a part of local staff. Yeah. But we're also working with some community compost sites. And as we move in that 148 territory, again, we're all rural here. So whether it's just going to the chickens, most of us just can throw it out. But this whole idea of having small and localized facilities where people can take it. And some of the schools are getting the position where they're actually generating reusable compost out there. Do you know if Cal's working on that? No, they're not. But there are a couple schools in our district so we're trying to provide models and have a code book for how to do that. And involving the custodial staff and the kids and the lunchroom staff. And obviously, they have so much sense of a lot of towns where the school is the center of a lot of things. Ideally, if they could become centers for that, that's fine. Right. You wanted to say something different? Well, I kind of have a question that pertains to us. So it's my understanding at the draw that the compost didn't really take off there. The first couple of weeks, people brought some and then there's this much in the barrel and I'm supposed to pay them 20 bucks a barrel to come and get this much. Then even if I'm charging somebody 20 bucks for this much compost, therefore it's been costing me a lot. You guys can't hold me with you. Well, I'm not bringing food scraps back to my house. I don't want the critters but it's just my house. And that's where we run our business out of. So that's not really realistic for me. Like the town of Hardwick, they have some in the town, some barrels set up in the town. I don't know who does it, but if it's black dirt, they have them set up where people can dump them and they just come in. One of their issues is that we've been sponsoring that for over years but actually we're pulling back from that and we met with their select for Thursday night and they're sort of saying, well, if we do this, we kind of want to move to the town garage. So that's in play there. But the difference there is that those those totes are open 24-7. Right. Whereas... They smell 24-7. It shouldn't be intended. 24-7 if you want. I'm going to say then they're going to get visited by all though. I mean, and that was something I brought up to Kathleen and I talked to her. I told her this place was out in the middle of nowhere. It's kind of scary being up there by yourself just doing the trash business. Well, it's too bad this is a requirement for rural towns. We spoke about this in January and I was hoping there was going to be a different approach depending on you know population density and availability of open land. People here, they can throw in a pile. I mean, I got a compost bin. I thought it was within so many miles. I don't know what it is. Well, again, there's some provisions in the law that they have to do with haulers through curbside pickup. And then there's an extension which says like grow is a place where theoretically if you collected, if you ran routes and picked up people you know food scraps, you could call a grow and have a contractor pick through them. And there's a requirement there but if you don't have a grow within so many miles then you know you're not required. But that all has to do with if you're doing curbside pickup. Fast trash is what? Yeah, there's no, there's No out? Yeah, not. Well, wait a minute. I'm sorry, I should know that. There may be. But first of all, it's only short term. Because all this is changing in 2020. So, you know, I want you to do something that works for you in the short term. Right. It would be good if we could get the barrel somehow. I mean, if it was just a small barrel if it's small amounts we just had buckets and maybe we could just have somebody volunteer to take it to the school and just dump it in there then on Saturday. Okay, I guess my concern right now is the letter we got from the state how we fix the problems that we have. Right, but this is the issue that is going to resolve together. Right. I don't know what the solution is. I don't either. Well, if I can take it to school. This is the support where John is saying, I mean, essentially I think the vision is that you know there's really networks, you know, there's capital systems feeding and just like we have somebody in Montpelier who comes by in a small truck, you know, and comes in and picks up the bucket and takes it out and that's viable when there's routes that they can run in enough customers in the city. But here you're talking about, you know, essentially one collection point, one morning a week or whatever and, you know, but the idea that, okay, people bring their individual buckets, there's some mechanism to collect the feed because there's going to be some cost to dispose of it. And then there's not so much that somebody can't come and just dump that in something in the back. What do you mean? Okay, so, and this legislation might be good for conversation if it's not too late over at the State House, but what if, like, with the Paris, they pick up the trash, but there's a sign there that says food waste if we worked out an arrangement school. You could take that to the elementary school. They have a bin back there. And that's where you should take your food waste, Cal's residence. And would that be an allowed alternative or does it have to be at that site so that someone has to take the bucket over there? The driving word in the statute is convenience. It's right in the same town. Yeah. And so I don't know how the State would interpret that as a solution that relates to this particular site. But right now, Cal Compost is through the end of June, correct? They're supposed to be picking up what's there and providing lockable totes which there aren't. Not lockable. Or sealable, I thought it said in some of the information that she said they were supposed to be lockable. Well, if we left them there. This is, I'm thinking aloud here, this is not what's going to happen, but I'm thinking, Cal's elementary school parking lot that sits there empty on Saturday mornings. And if we relocated this fast trash pickup to the, you know, maybe the, as you face the school, the far right side of that parking lot, they already have the Compost being collected for school there. If we could work out an arrangement with the school, we'd have to have that conversation. And maybe we'd report to the state that we're working on it an alternative set of solutions. The Paris could set up Lightning Ridge Road, you know where the elementary school is, right? That's a good sign. And they could set up there. It gets us, gets people away from that former landfill, turned stump dump, turned illegal dump, whatever you want when you're looking. And then we could close that off. And then we could have a, at the elementary school, there's a lot of oversight there. No one's going to dump there. There's people there all the time. And then the Compost could be directed there. They already have the big Compost bins. Where is that Compost? They're in the back where the chips go. Well, that might be a solution to a lot of our ills here. I don't want to speak for the state, but I think that part of the issue you are going to hear that's pretty deep is you're on a damn cliff, because of the history of it. And so I dare say, and I'm not speaking for it, you should absolutely say, look at what they have on a paper. But I think their big fear about the whole site is a bear can tip a tote full of food over the site, but also tires, air conditioner, that sort of thing. That's part of the problem now. It used to be a landfill. Yeah, it did. And so sure, you can build a wall to borrow a phrase, to keep stuff from going over, but that's maybe an over the top solution. And getting the whole operation away from that site. It might have a different mindset. Yeah. You know, if it's at the school, people might be more respectful about not dumping stuff there that doesn't belong there, because it's at the school. But then if they do, then the school is going to be like, well, now we got to get this stuff out of here. So, I mean, there's... What are your hours, aren't you? Eight to noon. Eight to noon. Oh, now I was going to say, part of the issue is quantity, growth, except by that tote. So I guess, you know, what the trash level and the food scrap level that you've got coming in. It's not enough. And my conversation with Grow was that, you know, unless it picks up, it's not really cost effective or even one of us to be doing it. Yeah, because their costs are obviously stop-based, you know. And so the point is they've got a contract per tote with the school. And the volume that would be added to it and the school's cost from this may be... It's insignificant and it's for all the taxpayers and the taxpayers to be putting into a taxpayer-funded facility. Right. It all comes out in the same pockets. So that may be a good solution. Another one I talked about was if you're going to keep that, you know, the cat and raccoon and scope problem, you might be able to get around with some bungee cores. There may be lockable totes, quote, but we haven't seen anything that's really reliable. And it's not going to be bear-proof. The raccoons will tip that thing over. Well, if it's closed and it's solid, maybe they won't rip an apartment or lock it over a boot. But if we were able to move it out for your suggestion... It would solve our other issues. It would solve the other issues. Illegal dumping issues. But if you kept that site, the other thing is that I know the state has worked... No, because this has been going on all over the state with different sites, different needs, but having a lockable shed that that tote goes into. Yeah, we used to have a shed there. We used to, years ago. You left garbage all around? Right, that's what happened. You left garbage all around? Yeah, I used to volunteer up there when it was run by the district. I used to volunteer on Saturdays up there. So I got to figure out what the trigger thresholds are. I mean, the state usually has, up to a certain amount is exempt. I used to actually run this program, the state composting program years ago. But there's a lot that's changed. But there's a threshold where that site at the school might have to be permanent by virtue of collecting the compost. I don't know. It's such a small amount, but I want to make sure that we don't open up another can. So I can talk to the state and see what the... Well, we also need to think about, and Kathleen sent some information about a grant. I mean, even if we don't use it anymore for the fast trash, people are still going to put stuff there, which is not obviously your problem. So we may have to put a fence there. So we may have to put dirt piles and fence it up and just close that site out. I'm going to say, do you have on cable or boulders or something across the front of it? Are those fixed and then... Nothing. What else, Jerseyberry things? It would look pretty bad, but it would send the message, right, Jerseyberries? Just put dirt piles. Just because of some of the money. We could actually make it nice. We could actually bring in topsoil and put grass and put some swing set there or something. Kids go out to swim up. Yeah, I mean, because I don't use the site, but I know it and try to buy it a lot. And that was my thought, was that if you think long term, that seems to be a big choice. What activity do you want to have with that site in the long term? Is there an alternative place? If you make it nice, so it's no longer thought of as a dump site and it's a green place with some picnic tables, people aren't going to dump trash anymore. Right. It's going to be a picnic ground. So, okay, so back to the issue. How do we respond to the state on this? I can rate up something that we're exploring. Other opportunities. Alternatives such as shutting this site down. I mean, I can talk. And relocating the fast trash operations to another location. I can talk to the school. Yeah, I can talk to this. I can have an initial conversation with Kat about it. That would be great. And see from my end. I do need their permission to school board, actually. I've got to tell you, I think that the state really wants to work with people in this situation. Yeah, that was repetitive. You know, they've been 30 days, but I think that if there's portions of their letter to you that you can respond to right now, you ought to do it. You know, give them a partial response on these points and then say, we're working on this and this, and you know, and then keep in touch with them about what the progress is. Yeah, I didn't get the, I didn't get the impression they were. One of the hammer on us, her email back to us was nice. Yeah. But I just know we need to respond. Yeah. So, do we ask for an extension? Do we ask for an extension? I'm not quite frankly, the state's not going to bring enforcement action for a bucket of banana peels. No, probably not, because I would think they did other things to do. You know, I don't think, they have to go out. Their routine is, if you're a licensed permanent facility, you have to do a period of inspection. So, if you get rid of a licensed facility, they're not going to come around anymore. That's number one. Not that we're trying to evade anything, but they brought these issues to our attention. We're taking notice. We're looking at shutting the location down as one option. We're not sure if that's going to happen. Right. How do we get rid of the licensed facility piece? We just request, well, first off, we close the site down and it's moved. Right. But in the meantime, we can request that the certification be rescinded. That's one of the things that we want to do. I can write these letters. Write off. And my only comment on that is, given 148 and let alone amendments to it, I don't know that you're, I'm not saying you're not right about that, but there may be more moving parks. No, you have a right to not run a facility. Yeah. You have a right to not, if you're exempted under the law, you have a right to take advantage of the exempted option. Yeah. And likewise as far as I know, you guys have the right to set up anywhere. You have a site that wants you to set it up. Right. So without getting any. Yeah. When you guys want to be following up, we went in, we took over hard work in this one here. Yeah. Yeah. And we didn't take over hard work where you guys were. These guys bailed us out. Yeah. Yeah. So would you have an objection to relocating to the school? It don't matter where we go. Tell me, how was that worked on putting the... Say what? I didn't hear what you said, sir. I don't know. I watched. I watched everybody else do it. I didn't hear what you said. Putting, because we collect the trash and a roll off that we actually set on the ground. As long as you take it away with you at the end of this. And we didn't know if it had to be on a truck. On a truck. If you could put it on the ground. It used to be, unless they changed it again, it used to be how to be on a truck. And then they changed the rule to say, as long as you take everything with you. As long as it's removed, it can be set up. So that's the only clarification we're going to have to have for that. It used to be how to be on the wheels. We used trucks everywhere else. Yeah. And just to go back to something you said earlier, there's a very short term solution if you wanted to. If you say we don't want to deal with it anymore and have Grove picking it up because it costs a lot given the volume. We would take the same money that we'd be paying Grove. And if you've got somebody with a pickup truck who wants to come by noon on Saturdays and take it down to the school if you want to do a short term. For the remaining. Yeah, for the remaining. We'd be happy to pay that person. It doesn't sound like there's enough. There's no volume. According... I don't know what Seamus says. Seamus has told me that he... I don't think he's really had anything. Grove said they couldn't get up there because it wasn't plowed and they couldn't get in. And that's not the case. And they don't like the road. They would have buried munch no way. I will say that. They were plowed in. So they couldn't get them out. I'll tell you, a lot of times up there the buckets were plowed in. The town don't plow it. The old town guy that used to work for you guys. Ed Burrell. Ed Burrell. Ed Burrell, his boy goes up there and plows a lot of time in the tractor. And I know he won't plow them in but the problem is the town goes into that one-way plow to try to plow a facility like that right there and you know what happened to the one-way plow it just don't work. I mean, so talking to Sheamus, it's my understanding that it's really not going anywhere. As far as the economy, people out if they're going to compost, they compost. I was going to say there we are. You know, on their own. And I'm going to pay a dollar a bucket to get rid of compost if they're making compost in their own facilities and that's where great law for cities but not so much for this kind of an area. No, it's not. That's the most sensible. And it's, you know. One size doesn't fit all. And it's not cost-effective for growth to come up here. The state is killing us on the garbage. How's that? We just went up $29 a ton. They're paying $89 a ton. Not even district. $89 a ton to get rid of recycling. Well, it's the Chinese utility. The Chinese don't want it. Yeah, but the state shouldn't have got everybody in training. Right, I don't think we're here to talk about that. You've got to add it to your bill. I'm tired. Yeah, it is. And then everybody claims that. All right, so we've got the food waste, the animal activity. And your trucks, you got, you checked all your hydraulic fittings. There's no leakage or, you know. So, I mean, it could have been someone just turning around in nature. Well, it could have been. And we didn't blame for that, too. You know, but it might have leaped on there but when you come in the middle of winter and there's ice on the drill, you drop a teaspoon of oil down here and it looks like jet-clamp. It was there and shot into it and just struck over that. Right, right, right. You know, the state knows that. Yeah. And there's no way I can afford new trucks like the state's got. Yeah. There's no way possible. Right. You know, a trash truck, new trash trucks, $225,000. Oh, I bet. Yeah. You know, it just don't work that way. And then we've got the debris at the edge of the woods. Throw a piece of cardboard under the truck and park it. Right. Or else. Just throw it in the back. Yeah. So I think we've got the bases covered and I think we have a plan going forward and we'll... So we'll kind of keep you guys in the loop. Yeah. All of you guys. Okay. Yeah. But you know, particularly if you're, what you're saying to me is that the feedback you get is there's not much food stuff there. No, no. I don't think we're collecting a whole lot of food. All right. So what would you say? It's the picture that I saw. There was like this much. Can we just temporarily until we find out whether or not the school is going to fight? Can we just say we're not going to take food waste there anymore? It's a lot to go until June. They got a great picture that for nothing. Right. Why don't we just not... Well, or like I said, if you can have somebody locally who you want to pay, you know... I thought we figured that out. It's going to be July 1. Right. We find somebody to do that and be sure that they're going to do it. Can we just say we're not going to take food waste? That's my question. It sounds like we can until we do what? Because we can just pull the sign. Nobody's going to harass you about it. In my view, the statute currently makes clear that everyone should take food waste. But as I said, in the bill there's language that makes clear... They understand it's somewhat ambiguous. So the state would... So I wonder if the state in our response is going to say the same thing as you, that they don't think it's ambiguous that we got to do it. Well, what she says right here, she says food waste collection is currently voluntary out of a fast draft and categorical certification. So, you know, if you want to call her on that and say that's your choice, as far as I can't tell you that's wrong. So we'll just suspend that for either of them until we find another location. We're committed to it, but right now we're... But I can tell you that the stat of the bill that's in moving through right now it's like two or three weeks and it says upon an act passed. So I'm just curious, I know we have to go, right, Chair, but who pushed for rural communities to collect food waste? I mean, were rural haulers coming in there saying this is nuts? I'm sure they were. I know Kisela was saying it was nuts. I was in the committee one day. Yeah, but that, again, is all about people, you know, haulers who are running routes. You know, they're saying that, you know, if they run rural routes, they're very sparse. So there's just, there's no way to make money because the people are so few. So that's where the haulers have placed their primary objection because in 2012 the original statute was passed state-wide, if you do curbside, you're going to have to start taking food scraps effective July 2017. Last year they punted for a year. In this current bill they're going to punt again to 2020 and they're going to, and we've raised the issue of density and that would, in terms of our district, the densest housing is obviously just very month later in a very little bit of very town. So it could be that come 2020 there would be a requirement that if you haul routes in those areas you'll have to offer to pick up food scraps. That's hard work. Not, no, not hard work. No. No, it's not dense enough. Really? Yeah. All right. So, it sounds like we have a plan. Okay. Yeah. Very good. Thank you guys for coming in. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Bruce. See you John. We'll be in touch. All right. We'll be talking to you later. Thank you. Thank you. You mean the loss? Yeah. Where's the short cemetery? The short cemetery. That's just down. I don't remember which one. Is it Singleton? Robinson is this way. Fairview one and Fairview two is an east palace. The short one that's up on. The short is, Jack Hills actually. No, that's Amesworth. Okay. So short. If I go back after 14, what's the right hand turn? Is that Singleton? Yes. Yeah, I think, is it out? Is that the one? Is it there? No, there's no cemetery on Singleton Road. That's where you live. Oh, there's that hidden one in a wood's body. Yeah, but no other ones. Where are you looking to go? Short cemetery. What, tonight? No, but I just wanted to know where to go. Oh. We can find out what you know. We'll send you a memo. We'll send you an email too. No, I can go to find a grave and it puts it on a map, but I didn't zoom in. Oh. So find a grave has it. I'm looking for some old callus. I'm looking for one of the original callus select board members. Wow. In Callus, there might still be a life. It would still be a life. That's how long Denise and John have been working for. So you know. They don't let you die if you're on the select board. In short, cemetery is with two T's. Yeah, I know. I know that. I'll find out, Bruce. No, well, I can really find a grave. It's a great site. Wilbur C. Short. Wilbur C. Short? You're looking it up? No. Find a grave. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Good night. You're coming Bruce. We appreciate it. And you know, just if you get my advice, deal with the state and writing. Right. That's what I want to do. And he sends a copy and we're happy to run interference at first. Yeah. Anything we can do. That's great. Thank you. Thank you. Budget financial update. Sandra's going to be giving us a monthly budget update, just like Donnie used to do. I reviewed it. I talked to her about it today. We're at the end of April and we're at about 78% of our budget, which is just about right on. So as we get closer to the end of the fiscal year, we'll, you know, review it even more. The plan right now is that Renée from Father Gilsa Valley is supposed to come in and help Sandra run something that they need to look at the financials to help. They're going to run this report. Melanie's on vacation for this week. When she gets back next week, she's going to finish up the FY17, for the closeout of FY17. And then going forward, Renée from Father Gilsa is supposed to do like the auditor type work. I'm going to ask Sandra and maybe I'll contact her as well. We need to know how much it's going to cost. And then we would get Sullivan and Powers or somebody to do the annual outside audit. So that's kind of where things are financially. The orders are all ready to sign. There was, I was in here today and there was a couple of things that I questioned. Because it had to do with cemetery payments. And when we get NEMRIC, it won't be this way. But right now, it's like it comes out of the town budget. And then it gets taken out of the cemetery budget. I mean, it's all the money's all in one big pot. But when we get NEMRIC, we can segregate those amounts. And we may want to have the cemetery commission have their own checking account. But we're not mixed in with town or highway funds. So just think about that. I think that's exactly what we need to do. Right. And Sandra, we stopped having to sign the road to the highway orders. But it makes sense. I mean, I don't know. I'm not clear why we ever completely stopped. But it makes sense for us to sign these highway orders. So if we could sign those as well, that would be helpful along with the others. But Sandra's doing a fine job. Serpent also fit to you. Yep. Yep. Everything else was good. I did a whole list of the check numbers and no checks. No errors on the checks. It was all great. It was a great job. Wonderful. Yep. Yes, yes. Yep. Very good. If we want Sandra to come in at some point, you know, I don't know that we need to. And I think when we start getting closer to the NEMRIC conversion date, we may want to just have her come in and tell us how it's going. But I'm here, I'm in here often enough now that I just ask her when I'm here. I hope that the road crew is more aware now that snow season is over, that we're trying to limit them to 40 hours. I saw there was a lot of overtime in there, but we have had some pretty wild weather in the last couple of weeks. And then we had that weird snow and Alfred wasn't going to plow, but then he got some calls, so then he went out and plowed and it, you know. And the elevation, you know, you said it, and I live up, you know, the elevation really does make a difference. It doesn't make a difference. You know. It doesn't make a difference. I did it over there where it says select board. Oh. You did it in the proper place. You read it. I read that yellow sign where Rose did. Don't do what we did. See select board go over there. It looks like we have three road commissioners now. That's right. We do. Okay. So you heard about we have to, at the beginning of the year when we organized, we have to pick our meeting locations. And I think we said we were going to meet at the town hall starting in May for as long as we can. We're not going to be able to do it all. So we just need to. We'll just stay here. We'll just stay here. And I've already told Judy. So she's going to be putting those on the calendar. Okay. Okay. Appointments. Did you all see the little? Well, you spoke to me with John said, and you're not having select board meetings over there anymore. I'm like, what? That's my big issue. You know me. Right. I can't let it go. All right. Cultural facility here on. All right. Tap dancing. If we have a tap dancing select board, you can do it. Right. Only on tables. All right. So I put together this list of appointments and reappointments. So let's just go through it a little quickly. You could open that up and pass it around. Okay. Wilson is willing to continue as animal control. That's one year. Okay. I'm going to ask you to update the spreadsheet when we get all this done. I did hear back from and tool in this afternoon. Who's willing to continue as second animal control. Constable Wilson for one year. We second constables vacant. Emergency plan coordinator Toby for one year. And I'm doing it. Cause I'm going to make this into a motion. I went to a training and so didn't cliff last Thursday night at CVRPC. And we can have like an assistant coordinator. And Nick Emlin is really involved in this. And I'd like to get Nick. More involved and have him work. To come up with like a tabletop. Tabletop drill or tabletop presentation. Of an event. And the emergency management people and CVRPC are willing to work with us on. Some kind of an exercise like a training kind of thing. Not we wouldn't have to go out. Trump and in the woods and in the. Fields in the rivers but. Table top. Yeah. That's what they called it. Right. Table top. Yeah. We would all sit around and kind of have a. Practice. Run in case something happened to how the system works. And they said that we could ask an somebody to be like an assistant coordinator. So I'm suggesting that we. Appoint Nick Emlin to that. And put him to work. John's going to be the rep to the new. CVRPC clean water advisory committee. Yeah. Greg Peltcheck and the specter of lumber. And these are all going through these are all one year health officer Maria. Melakos. I have not heard from her yet. So we're going to have to table. That until I hear from her. We're Cole Peter Harvey. For monstay police advisory board Peter Harvey. Chris pondan monitors Chris Miller Lewis Franco. That's all the one year ones. And we're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that right ones. So do you want to do it in blocks or as a whole? The whole shebang. I think you should do the one year separate. And then the other one. Okay. So that's a motion for the one year blocks. Is there a second? Yes. Okay. All those in favor please say aye. Okay. Now we'll move on to the other ones. Planning commission. John McCullis up. John McCullough for the Planning Commission to a term of 2022. DAB, Design Advisory Board. Karen Lane does not want to be reappointed so we need to find someone to fill that. David Sheets is looking at, he's going to ask somebody and get back to me. Kurt Jansen is willing to be reappointed so he would be to the term of 2022. HPC, Jeremy Ingpen, Karen Lane, and Larry Bush. Historic Preservation Commission. Right. So there are three terms as well. What did I do that right? This is Jeremy Guy. He came in here. Did I do that right? If it's 20, it should be 2021 I think, right? Is that okay if I'm going to need to go back for these names? Yeah. Okay. The list, I sent you them. Yeah. So I can pull them off of there? Right. Yeah. Thank you. But I think I'm wrong on the Historic Preservation. If they're three-year terms, it would be 2021. Not 2022, right? Right. Okay. So Jeremy Ingpen, Karen Lane, Larry Bush. Three-year terms, 2021. And so Karen Lane, Larry Bush. Ah. And so which term did you appoint this Jeremy Guy to? I don't remember. Who was he filled when we did it before? I wonder. What is he doing? Larry Bush, Karen Lane. And do we still have Susan Weber? No. Okay. So that must be a great term. Um, I am. Yeah. We appointed him on 12, 18, 17. Okay. Thanks. All right. Conservation Commission. These are four-year terms. And Rose couldn't, I couldn't, it's definitely couldn't find where we had reappointed Neil Maker and Drew Lam, whose term ended in 2017. Yep. So we need to appoint them to fill out the term that ended in 2017. Okay. Which would expire in 2021. Okay. That's Drew and Neil. Yeah. Three-year term, okay. And then Maddie Morgan, you remember we just appointed her recently, but she filled an empty spot. So she would be appointed, re-appointed to 2022. Yep. Okay. And Lou Cherry, we haven't heard back from. Development Review Board. Don't worry, Katie. I'm going to fill it in, yeah. Yeah, we can, we'll fix it. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Steve Owens, I didn't hear back from. So are we going to postpone these appointments? Are we going to wait until here? Are we going to hear back from everyone? I think we should do the ones we had. Okay. Steve Owens, no response. Barbara Wheaton said yes. Peg Bowens said yes. And Ann Winchester said yes. So that would be three. Ann Winchester is an ultimate, but they're all three-year terms. So they would expire in 2021. Okay. Trials Committee. I have not heard back from Charlotte or Gail. Bill Russell said yes. Those terms are three years. And if you remember a couple of years ago, I forget where it was, we came up with appointments. Back in, oh, terms were instituted in 2014. So for Bill, for right now, Bill Russell said yes. So he would be reappointed through to 2021. So those are those. And I didn't put Swim Committee on the front, so we'll do that separate. So that's my slate of all the people I've talked to. So I'd move that we appoint all the listed people that we receive responses from. Is there a second? Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none. You just been dying to do that. All right, Swim Committee. I forgot they were one years. They're one year terms. Lisa McCarthy, Dylan Burns, our own Katie, and Lori Grig have all said yes. They sent an email to Mark Whitman's wife, Gretta, somebody. I've never met him in the three years I've served. I think he helps with the job. Yeah, that's right. Right. So he does stuff. I think he does stuff at all. He's a backhand. Yeah, he's all docks on hand. That's important stuff. Yeah. But I haven't heard back from Gretta who was going to talk to Mark. All right. So I would move that we re-appoint those for Swim Committee members. Yeah. Second. All those in favor, please say aye. All right. Yes. Swimming this season, we'll be coming right up right for you. So that's what we have on appointment. And then we're probably going to be going into executive session after the minutes. All right. Let's see. Minutes. I had some notes. There's a lot. We have a lot of minutes to do. All right. March 26, we had a special meeting which included the Cemetery Commission and a regular meeting. We should approve them individually, but that's where we should start. Why can't we just approve the slate? Because I have, there's some typos. All your changes. Yeah. So on the 26 minutes, down at the number 5A, so staff transition, and it says to serve as delinquent tax collector for tax year 2018. But that's not, I don't think that's quite right because we appoint the delinquent tax collector after town meeting. So unless we want to start, and if I think of tax season in my brain, it's different than the calendar year. I think it should say calendar year 18. And then maybe we get into the system of appointing the delinquent tax collector at the beginning of every calendar year instead of after town meeting. Because it used to be town meeting. Why don't we just say for the term? I was going to say, why do we have to do it every year? Do we have to? We haven't ever said a term. No, why don't we just say effective now until town meeting next year? That's how these other appointments all go. They go to one town meeting. But remember, the reason, I think we did it that way because the delinquent tax collector was elected from the floor at town meeting. Now we appoint the delinquent tax collector. Oh. Right? So we have to set a term. Right. Oh, okay. Okay. So that's one thing. Let's just do it as a calendar year at the beginning. Of every calendar year, we would reappoint or appoint the delinquent tax collector. So I don't, I think we need to just take out the word tax year. Yep. Are you doing it clear for me to do it? Why don't you go ahead? Okay. We're not going to jump in on it. Jeff, why don't you put this in front of me? It's very tempting. I was ordered by the chair. And he always follows orders. I had a couple of nibbles. What you do is you slide it over to Katie and make it a tempter. Do you want to have some nibbles? I better concentrate on these. Okay. She's kind of something to do. Let's put it up in front of Cliff then. There he had some. They're good. Then you give it to the chair and it's her problem. Yeah, Jerome, you want some? You want something to go? I'll go over there. Okay. Feed the camera. Right. Okay. So that would be regular meeting, special meeting. I think we can do that together. Is there a motion to approve with the changes to the March 26th regular meeting minutes? So moved. Is there a second? Sure. All right. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay. Two down. Okay. We had a special meeting on April 2nd and then a site visit on April 2nd. The site, the special meeting was personnel. That's when we met with Alfred. We'll go to that one first. Yeah. Well, no, we did the site visit first, didn't we? We did the site visit. Yeah, it doesn't matter. And April 2nd wasn't a regular. So luck we're meeting night. So those were both. I didn't do a minutes for the site visit. Was I supposed to? I think you did. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, you did. Yeah, you did. Did I? You did. You did. Yeah, you did. Oh, because that's the thing at 7.15. Right. No, we've got it. Oh, okay. As long as it's there. You can pull that up if you want. No, no, no. I don't remember going. Yeah, this is the special meeting after the site visit. Right, okay. And I didn't have any changes. So I didn't see anything on the site visit. Why did anybody have any changes either? So I think we're good. All right. So is there a motion to approve the April 2nd special meeting and site visit meeting minutes? Yes, so moved. Is there a second? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. All right, regular meeting and special meeting. On April 9th, we met with Alfred before our regular special, before our regular select board meeting. And let's see, I don't think so. Oh, I'll talk to Katie afterwards. I didn't have any changes to those minutes to anybody else. Oh, I know. The only thing on the April, can you go back up, Katie? No, no, no, down to where the culvert stuff is. Kent Hill culvert. Because it talks about other culverts, and I wonder if we could just start a new paragraph. We start to talk about the other culverts, which was the, the operations manager has also reported that the town received two. Maybe just start a new paragraph. You see what I'm saying? So it doesn't look like it's part of the discussion on Kent Hill. It's doing a funny, Are you not frozen? No, I'm moving it, but you're looking at, it's just taking time for them to talk. It's doing a funny formatting thing also. You'll see it catching up, but I'll fix it because it has to go back to word. It, I'll fix the formatting, but see how it made number eight and it's there. Oh yeah. So it looks funny, but I'll fix that. Okay. All right. So there's been a motion and a second to approve the April 9th minutes. Right? Yes. Okay. All those. Second. John, you got a. Comments. Okay. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. April 12th, that was our meeting with EMFD. Rose took the minutes. They were fine and have any issues. So is there a motion to approve those minutes? We didn't go right. You know, it went well. It went well. They really. They're reporting as much cleaner. They hired, um, Sadler from Father Gildons of Valley to come in and take charge of it, which is. Perfect. Yeah. Which was a very good move for them to do. All right. Good. Because I think going forward things will be a lot better. Yeah. Yeah. Excellent. Yeah. So I make a motion to approve those special minutes. Is there a second? Second. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Then we have the minutes from 16th. That was a minute with the road crew. That was like one of the best things I think we've done. So where there's a line. It's Joanne, J-O-A-N-N-E. Garten, G-A-R-T-O-N. J-O-A-N-N-E. Garten, G-A-R-T-O-N. For that resilient back road. All right, all right. Forest and parks. But when we went and met with each of the road crew members individually, didn't we go into executive session? I don't think so, because there was nobody else there. It's not a forest and parks program. She works for me. So you might want to clarify Vermont Forest and Parks Resilient Backroads Program. Is that what it's called? Yeah. Yeah. You're right. It's through the state. Forest and parks. State of Vermont Forest and Parks. Resilient back roads. State of Vermont Department. Of Forest and Parks. Or just State of Vermont Forest and Parks. Vermont Forest. I guess I thought we went into executive session. Does anybody else remember? You know, maybe we didn't then. But we really didn't have to, because there was nobody else there. We just said, we'll go ahead and talk to everybody. We're going to be an individual there. All right. Anything else? Anybody have anything else for those minutes? Are you ready to make a motion to approve them? And really the whole thing was personnel related. Right. Entire meeting. So the whole thing was technically an executive session meeting. Right. So I'll make a motion to approve them. Are there, is there a second? Second. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. All right. Now we can get, Jim was not available to be here, but we can get him on by phone. But we'll need a motion to go into executive session. Jim Barlow, our attorney. Yes. I make a motion. We go into executive session at 8.40 for the purpose of discussing attorney-client communications with our attorney Jim Barlow via speaker phones. Right. So we can get him on by phone if we get to. Thank you, Katie. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. I'll catch up with you. This is pretty cool. Did you like that? More five minutes. Yeah? Maybe. Good night. Good night. Thank you. Brother, pay me a good price.