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Here comes the show I have a very demented If people only knew how how dark Doug's sense of humor was It makes my sense of humor like Disney we would be counseled for sure we would so you know We're starting this podcast with that. We don't know what the hell just happened You have no idea which hey, I want to talk to you guys about supplements. You guys know I like supplements. Yeah No, I didn't know that. Yeah, so this is a thing. I see you change Lou lemon purse Let's not talk about the supplement bag Every time you guys go. Yeah, it's a car heart satchel. I like it Just actually bought that for was it for Father's Day. She brought me a supplement bag. Good for her It's a manly one too. Come on. That's sick. I like it. It's cool Better than the cute little Lulu lemon bag. It looks like a construction. You buy a Lulu a sports Brosnan Bag it looks like it looks like my lunch like I'm gonna go. Oh manual labor. Hey, did I lose Boarded I lose that bed, huh? Which one when we were talking about the uggs. I saw that clip go up on Instagram Geez, I got there's two things that you brought up Hold on a second. There's two things you brought up. I'll get to the supplements everybody But real quick two things you brought up recently that you were so sure Was not you one was who would wear uggs that's I can't even believe you said that And then the second one which which we know another who's the most likely to go to jail. I was like, are you sure about that? That was my bad for not thinking that all the way through I don't know why but what came to mind like because Justin has got the temper out of all of us for sure And Justin has been thrown out. I've been with Justin when he's thrown out at bars So that was what was going through my mind everything like everyone's on edge with where where we're at right now and I'm like, you know Well, it depends on the crime. Yeah It's crime dependent. Yeah, who's most violent acts probably give me who's most likely to get thrown at a federal penitentiary I'd go federal this guy would go to state I'll be I'll own that I'll be in Guantanamo Bay. Nobody will Yeah, anyway, shut you up supplement stuff. Okay, so yo hembi what do you guys know about yo hembi energy? Yeah, it has a cool name. That's why it's a it's a stimulant. It's actually Some interesting statistics about it, right? It's one of the few supplements everybody relax when I say this because I'm gonna kind of explain it one of the few supplements that's been shown to Amplify quote-unquote fat burning so don't take it to burn body fat. It's not a huge effect, but it does show That it does get your body to utilize fatty acids a little bit more Okay, so can I stop you there because when they when I hear the studies that connect to things like that, right? And you even hear that with most all stimulants they say that Is it is there some sort of mechanism that is speeding the metabolism up? Or is it because it gives you energy and you move more and therefore you burn more calories therefore we can attach it to Burning more fat. So the receptors that it it activates Are receptors that? do Burn more calories that do cause the release of what are called catecholamines norepinephrine epinephrine Okay, so in other words, so but there's that and then there's the real-world study so the problem with those is you look at it from a Chemical perspective what's happening to the body and then they'll they'll make Assumptions based off of that the problem is that they for example if you do cardio on an empty stomach You will see that there's more fatty acid utilization. So on paper. Oh fasted cardio burns more body fat The problem is it all balances itself out late throughout the day Really, it's about calorie deficit doesn't make a difference So with something like yo hembi or other fat burners, you know quote-unquote fat burners They'll show that on paper, but then when the real world when they're applied They don't necessarily pan out although sometimes they do a little bit and I agree with you I think it has more to do with the you're moving more because you're hyped and then maybe appetite Because I used to tell yeah, right because I used to tell clients if we controlled everything calories I mean you took somebody one person takes yo hembi or any other any other Stimulant or fabric and we locked that person in in position and locked another person in position Felt on the same and yeah exactly fed the same same metabolism already. I think there would be Very negligible difference between the two of them. I think so But I think what ends up happening is you take something like any of us have ever had if you ever had your first time taking caffeine or High dose. Yeah, you start fidgeting everywhere I'm doing this and and that stuff at that really adds and that's that neat And that adds up throughout the day and if you're a more energetic and finger tapping and toe tapping all day long Well, yeah, that could that could actually calculate to be a few hundred calories Which by the way, that's like a workout for some people It can be especially for doing all day And I think the biggest effect is the appetite suppression because I think eventually your body balances even that out But I think when you take stuff like that, you just don't want to eat Um, and that's probably the effect but that also eventually balances it out because your body adapts and whatever But here's not that's not why I took your hand. Have you taken it straight like just by itself? Yes, I have and you do you feel a bit of a stimulant effect. Okay, not unlike other stimulants It does feel different than caffeine, but not only but but similar, right Uh, yohembe's been used for erectile dysfunction and libido boost actually quite successfully in a lot of men So sometimes men can take yohembe and notice a boost in libido. There might even be an effect in women I'm not taking it for that either Got my very aspirin got my diagra got my yohembe See again with something like that is that because they The it promotes more movement more movement promotes more oxygen more blood flow more oxygen more blood flow also can help with There's actually a different mechanism. I can't remember what it was, but there's a different mechanism behind that again I'm not taking it for that either it's the reason why I did it is because uh, I wanted to stack it with other stimulants for my workout So that's what I did. I took a little bit of yohembe with caffeine The citrulline the beta alanine. I did agmatine, which is another Uh, kind of stimulant slash Nitric oxide booster or whatever and it's small dose. It's like what am I doing three milligrams of yohembe? And oh, yeah, it definitely works now. I know it's not going to work if I keep taking it But it definitely works. I definitely had that fire in my workout Now when you're using stuff like this and messing with it Will you also because you probably use the red juice out of all of us the most Will you use that in conjunction or will you when you're going non stimulant you'll use that or would you ever do both? What I do both This question because I have a feeling you've already messed with both. And so what's what's your theory? Yeah, when you're the lab like what does that look like? I love mixing a bunch of shit together And I don't recommend that it's actually probably dangerous But this the way out you should use the red juice is when you wean yourself off of stimulants Okay, because it's it it'll help you with the the side effects when you start to go off stimulants You feel like crap, right? But the red juice has got you know beetroot powder. It's got rhodiola a little bit It's got some other stuff in there that'll kind of make you feel better It's not stimulatory, but you'll feel better. So when you go off caffeine red juice is great for that Now if you want to be an asshole, then you throw everything together and see what happens Well, I don't recommend that I mean you don't recommend it But there is something kind of cool about the calming effect that you get from the red juice and like kind of natural energy And then doing something that's like stimulant based and combining them together It almost kind of reminds me of that feeling I get with uh like theanine and caffeine A little bit, but I would rather do gold juice with that then Oh, yeah, if I want to do that then I'll go gold juice with stimulants and then I'll get that balance The red juice might actually amp it up a little bit taper that high a little bit so it can extend it longer Yeah, in fact, I did I've been doing the the gold juice because the gold juice has cordyceps and things like that in it, right? No, it's got a turkey tail. I think reishi's in there. Oh reishi. Yeah, it's got mushroom. It's got calming Ingredients in there. Yeah, it's good. It's got good, you know turmeric in there, which is good for inflammation So that's why they say drink it at night. It's relaxing help you sleep But you take it with the stimulant you get this nice smooth kind of effect But I have been taking it at night actually more reason because they have the pumpkin spice, which I now in pumpkin I mean, I like that so if I'm like going into workout I want to be crazy stimulants So give me all the stimulants because I'm going to go I'm going to go spend that But if I want and I'm taking in something like an energy drink or caffeine and I'm just going to be on the podcast or about That's a good point. I love to pair it with something that brings it down You know, it's funny about that if I go hard on the stimulants. I cannot do high rep workouts It's just too much. I have to do heavy lower reps That kind of workout too many stimulants with high reps and my I just too much I'll lose my breath that heart's beating too much and it just doesn't it doesn't work I have to be more calm To kind of weather the storm my levels are so high with caffeine that like actually the best combo Yeah, I go the opposite direction Yeah, like I actually take the pure to Get me more focused now because like the caffeine just like keeps me going and energetic and awake Sprinkles cocaine and yeah, but now I have like more focus and memory recall When I add pure like every time. Yeah, it's so much better You know, I was I was uh when I was doing this and working out and uh, you know, I was like, oh cool I could I could feel this, you know compounding stimulant effect I was you know, kind of thinking remnant reminiscing on the the days of ephedra I haven't taken ephedra in so long I wonder if I would even feel that if I took an of course you would where would you find it? I don't even think you could buy it. Can you can you buy a fedra? Drugs online I'm not gonna go through your guy I don't want to go through that guy. You sure you want to fedra. I got something else way better than that No, I wonder actually you can pseudofed pseudofed is chemical ephedra. Oh, it's pseudofedra Yeah, that's why they make you give you lock it up now. Yeah, buy one at a time. How crazy is that you go buy pseudofed? Oh, yeah, ID. We gotta track it. Oh my god, dude. It's worse than than buying any almost anything else Hey, did we did we bring up the uh, hollywood hollywood hollywood hollywood fight? Oh my god, you were way off. Sorry I don't think we talked about it. Actually, so I wanted to I heard it. It's sad. I heard It was really sad, dude So okay, this is something we haven't because we've talked about right we've gone back and forth and debated You've admitted that you were wrong on this with the speculating on where it would go like as far But here's a thing that I didn't think about That may slow this idea down of like all these crazy fights is the danger of it and like So many people chasing money and just just because you're popular or you're famous or people want to see the fight And then they see it and something happens. Yes, and then something happens Like I think that's what everybody people don't like to be reminded of how dangerous Certain sports are they just don't like you don't like watching football and seeing Somebody's knee bend the wrong way It makes people cringe a little bit. You don't want to hear about brain trauma and you don't want to see boxers Get really knocked out real bad or punch drunk. It's it makes you don't want to watch weird though Because part of you does right part of you wants to think of it very gladiator-esque Yeah, but you don't want to you want to see the guy get knocked out Nobody wants to see it happen. You want to know that it's possible Yes, you want to know that it's dangerous You could die a bone becomes a broken out of your leg You know or sticking out of your leg like you want to know that because that's what makes it I think partially Exciting exciting right, but then you don't actually want to see it happen And then when it does it makes you realize like okay And maybe what you want is you want a good ending to the story like if you see someone get knocked out real bad You want to you want to be able to see the person get up and shake the other person's hand You ever watch a fight where the guy gets knocked out doesn't get up and you the guy Was up in talks and oh, yeah, I won the fight and the guy's still knocked out It doesn't feel good to see that so I heard I heard holy field didn't he looked It was it was hard to watch. Well, you know how old he's old man How old is all I felt Doug when you look at these fifties Or is he almost definitely he's definitely too old to be taking punches from a heavy hitter I mean, that's how I feel I mean and after you've been 58 problems 60 years old And do you know how crazy you know the first round he's getting Lumped you can realize how old 58 is for somebody who has boxed professionally. Yeah, it's not like a 58 year old He's like 88. Yeah mentally probably I would assume I haven't even heard him talk does he sound like he's I mean, he's not he doesn't sound as as as bad as you know Tyson sounds I mean, so he's he's not but Tyson's always kind of You know when he talks did you guys see his clip with Patrick bet david no He said he said he'd be canceled and he says I have my own plane and then he goes up He laughs for like a minute straight. It's like I can't even replicate his laugh. I can't either. It's like I So I had something like that It's like a hyena or something you can't say something like that White people can only do because you and I I'm Iranian you're black. We can't say thanks. I don't care. I don't I don't care if I don't I got my own plane Ah Patrick bed david I've been like I've consuming his time. I really like his content like his He's been doing some real guys platform value tame it. He does a lot of great interviews He brings on a lot of guests that he that disagree with him Uh, he he does a great job interviewing. I really really like uh his content that he puts out You know mike tyson is one of those guys that even if you're friends with him and you're cool and you joke around You would never tease him too much because you think he's gonna snap You saw that did you ever see the it was a roast of I forget if it was like david hasselhoff or whoever it was but he was on the panel and He goes up there and he's like kind of throwing his jokes out But like they all were trying to like chip and like throw shots at him and then Realizing like oh, he gets up and like you see them. Just go shit Like he could kill you like like you better watch what you say dude. We're gonna go backstage at some point This is iron mic Actually, I think I did watch that and you can even see some of the comedians poke fun at him But they always ended with I'm just kidding. I'm just you know, I love you. You're the greatest all time Hey, by the way, what I'm about to say is not true. It's totally joking. Okay. All right. Here we go. Yeah, dude That's what it's like. Hey, have you guys ever heard of A person named freddy Overstegan I got to pull up this information. Oh freddy overstegan. Yeah, you probably haven't and that's okay because neither have I But I'm gonna I'm gonna go over this wikipedia. So this person Their birthday just happened. It's this it's a woman. Okay, and she was part of the dutch resistance During the occupation of the netherlands in world war two. So world war two, okay You know, nazi germany is just obviously going in taking places over And doing bad shit. Everybody knows that this woman was a part of the first of all consider this. Okay I know everybody likes to Fantasize and romanticize about how awesome they'd be in a situation like that. No most everybody 99.9 percent everybody watching this would be a massive pussy And you'd be scared and you would not be the resistance because they would kill people right in front of you You'd be scared. So here's a woman who was a part of this resistance. That's her During a time when the nazis literally would execute you on the spot and kill you and what did she do She helped hid uh, excuse me hide jews. She helped smuggle them out. She also would seduce german soldiers Take them into the woods like she was gonna have sex with them and then kill them herself herself herself Gangster like that gangster as fuck her and Another woman would do this stabbing or what would she do gun stabbing like yes, dude Wow, so how's there not a documentary about there should be a documentary about this woman Yeah, like a real bad ass, you know to do something like that to have the how did you come across this story? So I saw an article that because her she died a few years ago, but her birthday was uh, let me see when her birthday her birthday came up and it was something like uh September 6th is her birthday There was a kind of a similar story, but it was about uh, it was these russian uh women pilots, so they I guess this this one lady um, was like created, um, you know her own uh squad and and basically they were just like terrorizing nazis and they were afraid of them because they would like fly uh over and just like demolish like these uh these camps of of Nazis and of course this is all Passed out from like drunk history. I watched that show It was hilarious, but it was like, oh wow, is this real and it's real and it was like pretty cool like these stories Uh, you know that you you find out later like these bad ass women that just like would do what a lot of the other pilots wouldn't do You know some of the most feared uh people in I don't know war. I guess you would want to say are female spies Because one of the greatest weaknesses among men, especially Egotistical men is an attractive woman. Oh, yeah, and the female spies are very Effective at getting men to tell them secrets and luring them into lower our guard. You feel safe. Ah, it's a girl We're gonna go to the woods just me and her. I'm gonna bang right and then they'll kill your ass Yeah, so they're very dangerous one might say women are pretty good at manipulating too They're smarter That wouldn't work on a woman. Hey, you want to come to the woods alone? We'll make love Thank you, Doug. That's what their their name was the night witches. Oh the night witches. Wow the daring female Where's the doc? Where's the movies out on these chicks? I know they should make a movie about this too It would be awesome instead of taking old classics and throwing women in it to think it's going to be better Like ghostbusters. Well, that's stupid do this. This is true real shit That's the stuff that I want to see. I wonder if there's already something in the works I wouldn't be surprised if there's something that's already being done with it. I mean, it's a true story Yeah, you know, did you guys see uh, by the way, I might just keep doubling and tripling down on the mma talk because Because fuck you Tell me what I can't Suck it. Uh, did you see cutter? Uh, migrager god damn. What did uh, did you see him? With uh with machine gun kelly, so you just like like hit a drink It's okay. You guys know machine gun kelly is who got into the battle rap with m&m a couple years ago Remember that and he's like this wiry, you know looks like he's six foot two three like 130 pound, dude And I don't know the back supposedly Connor was walking through and supposedly uh machine gun kelly pushed him now I didn't see now There's lots of I watched all the clips to see like if you could catch that But like connor like takes a swing at him, dude And they had to separate all of them and and making a big old deal So now here's the thing this is like and I wanted to talk about this after the avaner thing because You know, is this gonna be are we gonna really start to see this fake drama stuff all the time? He's he's famous, you know machine gun kelly's famous He's gotta and connor everyone's gonna want to see him get knocked out And so they stage all these you know at a big event like the vma's they stage a big bullshit You know it smells that way it does smell that way to me and I feel like so many people are doing it right Yeah, it's obnoxious until people get sick of it I my Gregor completely lost my respect when he swung at that old guy at the bar Like you're just he's a you know what he's acting like right now. He's acting like a spoiled Thug like you you're making all this money. You're real successful What are you doing, bro? You have no honor relax You're acting and that and the fact that now he's gotten his ass kicked a couple times It even looks even more ridiculous that you're out there pissed off Did you see that meme of him going or sort of getting I forget who posted? I wish I'd give him credit, but there's like someone posted this of like it might have been Mike Dolce I don't know and it was uh like his cycle of like, you know talks all kinds of shit You know hypes fight up gets a fight gets his ass kicked humble humble for two weeks start cycle again See like that's kind of like his that's his mo right now Is like he's he's so good though at hyping hyping his shit up Yeah, but doesn't he loses that after he keeps losing at some point you don't want to well I think that's I mean I think ever I mean of course everybody got roped into the last one But you know you lose enough times consistently and people are over at people be like whatever plus there's a part of me I get the business side of it and I'm the entertainment side and I respect that I think that's that's a part of it Then there's the martial artist side of it. I've been doing martial arts And I don't I haven't done it a long time, but I grew up doing it as a kid and I did it as a young adult and martial arts represent Honor Respect and discipline with fighting. It's not the same as fighting out in the street and kicking someone's ass A big part of martial arts has always been the art aspect of it in the discipline And so when it gets goes too far Yeah, but it got distorted by entertainment. Yeah, I was just keen as with cells. I know but at some point The purity of all sports has been done. It's bastardized. It's already been bastardized It's not and you know, and I would never judge someone of doing. I mean he's playing the game Like in that and that's I know but when you went when you hit that old guy at the bar Come on, dude. Who's that guy? It's an old guy. Listen it to me. It's it's not that much different It's loose cannon. It's not that much different than in our space where we have to like we have to spend we We we our goal always is to provide content that adds tremendous value But unfortunately after we do that we have to sit down and think of a clever title That makes people click on it and sometimes it has to be clickbaity just to get your attention So we can then deliver value. Yeah, I know I know and we don't like that But it's put that's it we're fighting fire with fire Right, so that's kind of how I feel about someone like that like I would never shame them that much because that's his fucking craft His job is to punch people in the face and get paid as much money as he possibly can and he's one of the best Yeah, but you hit an old guy I'm not defending that was inexcusable for sure. Yeah, that's when you lose my that's when you lose Yeah, yeah, but that was a long time. I mean he did that before his proper 12 and stuff came in that when it was over Wasn't like yeah, the guy said his whiskey was shibas whiskey and he goes and punches him like what the hell What's wrong with it? All right Do you ever wonder though too of some some of that stuff is is staged for marketing reasons like To get even bad even bad publicity my whiskey and you'll put the old guy in the face even bad publicity I'm gonna publicity so maybe I mean for all you and I know I mean if you think he's that much of a master at Marketing advertising himself you tell a guy like hey, listen, this is what I'm gonna do I want to have you I'm gonna I'm gonna give you 10 grand cash under the table I want you to stir it up about we're gonna create and like you tell and nobody knows but the two of them And then it goes viral all over the place. You're hated by millions But then you got the people are talking about you speaking of which there was a story I read a long time ago that this guy paid two other guys to pretend to mug him When he was with a woman. Oh, I think you're talking about the no, I'm not talking about that other What's he's small it Jesse small it that's so small that's a different that's so dumb This is just almost done, right? Yeah, this guy literally paid two guys to pretend to mug him and his girlfriend And then allow him to kick their asses that's smart in front of his girlfriend. I know that's not dumb. That's smart Some shit I would do Try to impress this chick. It's like dude. This is gonna give me action Hey this going back to dumb dumb things men do for sure She's just like I bet you she told him like three nights before they haven't had sex yet She's like, you know what turns me on Yeah, it's seen a man defend his woman or something. You know what I'm saying? So he's like I'm trying to get this dude. I'll do what I do. Hey you give me your purse. Hold on right here Let me handle this but there's two of them. I know don't worry about it. I got there You know how much that'll backfire in the future if they stayed together. Yeah, you know what I mean? Oh, fuck you my husband. Yeah, no exactly. She'll start getting them in fights You know, they start picking on some big guy at the bar honey. Yeah, my husband will kick your ass Remember my shoulder hurts. I my shoulder's not feeling it. Just just keep quiet honey Let's go over from the last bout. Let's go somewhere else. You know what I mean? Anyway, all right speaking of click baby stuff Do you guys know what the best age is for sex sexual satisfaction for men or women both? What yeah, so generally speaking different probably older. No, they picked it Women I would women I would say 35 men 25. No, they did a huge study Men and women and they found that the best fucking they found that generally the best age Yeah, it's in the 40s mid 40s mid 40s men and women report the best sex of their life generally speaking Yeah, right in their mid 40s. I mean, okay, there's some things that add up and make sense to that right? Maybe you're not at your sexual prime as far as how much you're having it But you've probably refined the skill and figured out what you like confident. Yeah Yeah, everything that you like. I mean at that point, right? Yeah, and you're confident in it And I mean, let's be honest Uh, if you're ever gonna get hit on by a couple at a fucking vacation spot It's gonna be in their 40s. It's gonna be Yeah, that's when they're confident. That's when they're like, we know we like it. Yeah, whatever But I thought that was very interesting. So a lot of people listening and watching right now like You know, you think you're having good sex. It'll get better. Just wait. Yeah That's really cool. Or the guys that are always going for yourself really young girls telling them like listen It gets better when you go start going up in age Like I remember telling my buddies that they used to tease me because I always liked older women I like older women. I was in my 20s. I always dated like 10 years older than I was 10 years older. Yeah Yeah, for sure. It was I was always dating. Wait, what was the biggest age gap between you and the and a woman that you Well that 10 10 to 12 probably So how old are you and how old are they? Early 20s. She's in her 30s. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so always like, you know, and maybe did you learn a lot? Absolutely. Yeah Great student For sure I'm open to learning after she's done rocking your world. She makes you a sandwich gets it Yes, in the middle I gave you some goldfish too. So make sure you snack on these. That's right. Yeah. Have a good day snack pack. Thank you You know, uh, here's something kind of neat. I saw a pop it up right now. I don't know how much you guys care about this I pay attention to this. Um Uh, the what's going on with like betting right gambling is like exploding because all these states are are legalizing it And I bought stock in draft kings. I bought stock in a pen Which is barstool who they're the company that bought them. Are you doing well? Uh, yeah, I've done I've done decent on both those. I mean nothing crazy, but I've done I've done pretty well I bought them quite a while ago But uh, what I'm not happy about that I'm seeing because they were kind of the leaders in the space like draft kings is kind of Leading the fantasy gambling uh thing. I like pen because of barstool sports But now I see uh, mgm. And so what you're seeing is now so mgm has their own Uh, basically betting, you know online betting uh platform now too So I think it's pros now are getting involved. Yeah, yes So, I mean you're getting pros big money behind behind the market is gonna this is gonna advance very quickly Yes, wow, that's exciting and you're seeing commercials on like big, you know, I don't what when I was watching I was watching some some game. Oh, I think it was Monday night football Now, you know, what's exciting about this adam is that uh reminds me a bit of the marijuana market because a lot of the arguments against Loosening up the laws on marijuana was It's going to be worse more people are going to be addicted to pot. It's going to cause more problems Of course, the argument in support of it was It reduces the black market There's going to be you know less problems there because people in the black market handle their their issues Without police without courts but tends to be through violence Illegal activity now that marijuana has been light is it been you know legalized or the laws have been loosened What we've actually found is both people are There's right in both more people smoke weed than ever before but also the black market shrank And we're seeing tax I don't think you see the conversion of black market going into no, I think the first thing he said I think I think just as many people smoke weed. I think just people are more okay about admitting it now So one of the things I was so blown away when I first got in the space I don't know. I've I've seen lots of studies on very very. Well, what are the what are they the fucking Surveys, you know asking people. I mean, that's the best you could do right. Okay, so if you're a Doctor, okay, and it's illegal just 15 20 years ago and a survey asked you do you smoke weed? What do you answer on that survey today when you legally can do it in the state you're in and that same person gets asked Did you change because the laws or now you're willing to admit? Well, you okay? I'm I now mind you you're speaking from survey studies I'm speaking from experience of running a club and I was blown away by the I mean lawyers and doctors and church going Yeah, you know straight narrow people and just people you just would not think smoke weed Would come in and pick up their stuff. I think you make a good point I think that's definitely part of it But you can't ignore the fact that there's a lot of people that Wouldn't would avoid buying it because they don't want to go through the black market This stigma is a certain level the stigma has definitely changed So I have to believe that you're gonna see anytime you increase the accessibility of things Change the stigma. You're gonna see more you Well, I also think there's going to be always be an initial wave because it's that's new and try it Yeah, I mean if like we said right now, okay If all sudden we said cocaine is fully legal for sure More people will know it's legal. I've always wanted to kind of try it out You grew 10% this year. I mean, well, it would it would initially grow right away Yeah, because everybody would be like, okay now it's accepted So all those people that were on the fence or maybe people that couldn't get it before now go do it But then I think it kind of levels off after you see the addictive properties and the negative side of it I think that's kind of the natural evolution of allowing. So I mean, I think we're all maybe we're all maybe I'm not sure On the same page of like, I don't think any of that stuff should be illegal I think the fact that you make it illegal there's more danger in the black market And I think the same amount of people would do it or wouldn't do it. I really do I agree with you. I think I'm not like pro like Nothing no regulation, you know kids could you know, whatever But like you look at portugal portugal decriminalized all drugs all any drug decriminalized for Small amounts now decriminalized not the same as legal, right? So you can't go to the store in portugal and buy heroin or cocaine But if you get caught by a police officer with a personal it pretty much Yeah, it pretty much protects you from using if you want to but it keeps you from being a dealer, which I think that's a I like that I like that And they show so far that it's actually reduced overdoses And it's increased the amount of people willing to get treatment because there's not as much of a stigma So I agree. I agree with that. So with this thing with betting and gambling We'll probably see more people in the gambling market But I also think you're probably going to see less of the Shit that happens behind closed doors type of gambling because it's going to be so much more Especially sports betting and I'm sure the the tax collector is going to love that You know how much money they don't make on gambling that happens at the black market Oh, yeah, I wonder how much money they could possibly generate. Yeah, I wonder how many people I mean, I still use my bookie, right? I've been because I've been using them for so long Um, I can see can I say that duck? Am I okay? No, probably not Hey, it's for you I'm a friend who still uses I like it when you talk for other people's library and we call him a bookie I like when you talk for other people My friend is still using the same bookie that he's been using forever Even though that you know, you can use all these new bro. You literally can't help yourself. Like you have no lying filter It's probably a hundred percent. It's going to get you in trouble one day. But that's what I love about you You can ask Adam anything fly and what'll come out before he can filter it is the truth And afterwards he'll try to filter every time a little bit Hey, did you guys uh, I there's a an interesting trial that I'm watching right now So these m rna type vaccines obviously the most one the one we're most familiar with is the Covid vaccine It's a new technology very interesting and I said this in the beginning As we learn more Potentially this technology could really transfer into some interesting spaces. What is it? For example, the the way that they work, right? Is they'll inject the type of an rna Instruction into yourselves creating something else. It's a new technology in essence What they're doing in this new trial genetic treatment. They're testing a cancer Vaccine and so far in the animal trials. It's working Yes, how is this not everywhere? Well, well, it's it's a phase two or phase three And oftentimes you see phase two phase three trials look promising Pull this up Doug. I want to see this like what so what is the I mean? What so what they'll do like what are we seeing? It's very effective I don't remember the exact numbers. I'll send it to Doug because I have I saved But essentially what they'll do is they'll identify your cancer and then be able to create a vaccine now Is it because of coveted and us having to do accelerate this and make this happen that this is now? They've started to do the research for cancer and that was some wasn't something they were doing already or This was something that's going on. So this is okay. So I'll read the title of this here it's bio BioNTech RMNA cancer treatment Moved to human trials after huge success from mice So it did so well with animals that now they're moving to one of the last phases which is to do it with uh with humans And it showed tremendous promise. I didn't hear what you what was did you give a percentage or you just said no I can look at it right. I'm kind of going through right now To try and see um, I think we'd have to find the exact study to see but nonetheless it was Can you explain to like oh here we go? Here we go Uh, they the in this particular trial with 20 mice with melanomas very aggressive forms of cancer 17 of them from this mRNA 17 of them effectively shrink their tumors to nothing within 40 days So out of 20 with an aggressive cancer 17 tumor gone wow from this particular And and it inhibited the growth of these tumors in other parts of the body as well So can you explain this one and then also like the code because they're not technically in the covid vaccine is not technically a vaccine Right, it's technically like a it goes in and it changes dna code. Is that am I No, I'm afraid to be described as like a genetic treatment. That's yeah that it changes dna No, yes, but it's a it's a vaccine in the sense that you take it to build immunity So an mRNA Therapy would be you already have cancer. So I I mistakenly called it a vaccine It's a therapy, but with the same technology So a therapy would be like oh you already have covid Let's give you this and then it helps fight it a vaccine is we give you this now You build up immunity therefore later on you could fight That's the definition of what makes it a vaccine and it's not this dna thing that everybody keeps it like I don't Yes, loosely that's loosely the the definition and correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, I feel like you didn't help me at all Hey, I feel just as confused Hey, let me explain something to you. It's it's this much depth in subjects. I have there's a lot of subjects So stop acting me Well, I don't know I don't know how to pretend like I know So I thought maybe you might you might have a little bit, but this is really cool because This could the cancer and I know a lot about can't I'm not a doctor on it at all But I know a lot about it because I've studied a lot because it's been personal to me And it's so hard. I used to think that oh, there's a treatment out there. They don't want to know Oh, it's big pharma. No, man Each cancer is different. It's cells and whatever kills cells kills all your cells usually very hard to To treat very hard to kill And find it's a very complicated problem Have you heard much to and this is like something I just read about like loosely So I don't know all the details of it, but they were actually like experimenting like With other viruses to inject people with sometimes to treat certain viruses. So they would take like I don't know if it was like like a herpes or yeah, yeah, and like inject it to To to build like a different type of antibody. Well, that's the johnson and johnson vaccine. Is that so they use if you took johnson and johnson You have herpes now. No, no, no He's fucking scared every like a couple million people, right? That's why they pulled it off the shelf Hey, don't worry. You can only you can only get it once so it shows that no, here's what it is It burns they use a a vax they use a another virus that's harmless They use that as a carrier then they inject into this virus what they want to be replicated in your body by using a harmless virus vector Okay, so what uh what the johnson and johnson vaccine does is they use I don't I think it's an adenovirus I don't know if i'm saying it right it's an adenovirus vector So it's basically a harmless virus not going to make you sick And they take that and then they put in it This spike protein that they want to be reproduced in your body that your body will then identify If you get covid type of deal so different than mrna mrna tells your cells to make this spike protein, which then you build an immunity to So Out there stuff not to shit on your study or anything, but I wouldn't be me if I didn't do that Would you know what you expect it now? Yeah, right? Yeah, right? I know it pissed some people but some people appreciate it. Uh, what what percentage of my studies actually Make it to human studies that are effective Very few make it to human studies and then when they do make it to few to human studies very few make it past So and there's been a lot of promise when it comes to cancer So it's fun to speculate and talk about a cool my study But the reality of it is it has a one and maybe a 10 chance of it probably even less Now here's here's what's exciting about this What's exciting about this is this is a completely new Technology and it's showing a lot of promise. So a lot of scientists are Excited about you know one of the problems by the way with with treatments Is it cost so much money to go through the FDA process? I think it's like 100 million dollars Yeah, I saw a documentary on that one time. It's crazy. It's like 10 years 100 million dollars maybe even more than that of research and investment to figure out a new treatment And so here you are pharma company and I think it might even be more than 100 million I think i'm low-balling it But let's say you have all this money like okay We want to figure out A new cancer treatment and then you sit down with your scientists or whatever and they say, okay Oh, here we go. How much does it cost? A phase one two three clinical trials three 13 20 million yeah over the course of 10 years it's it's typically far more than that, right? Yeah, I I saw something that confirmed what yours I saw a documentary on this and it talked about That's one trial the 10 period 10 year period like I mean talk about totally You know having to have a monopoly in order to do that like I mean a handful of companies can even afford In essence, okay tens of millions to as much as 100 million. Let's just say right So you let's say you sitting down with your scientists. You're like, okay We want to figure out a cancer treatment. You got scientists over here saying, you know what? We have this theory. It's a new kind of treatment We think it might work if it does it'll be a blockbuster and then you got this person over here saying You know chemo is proven We're going to tweak it a little bit and make it less harsh and more effective and you got 100 million dollars in 10 years to invest You're betting your capital. Yeah, you want to do this brand new like totally risky Probably not going to work treatment or this one that's based off of technology that has got market viability He's got some effectiveness. Yeah, however bad it is. That's what ends up happening So what do we end up with new forms of opiates for pain relief new forms of chemo? You know what I'm saying? So that's the problem with this whole process That's one of the challenges with with having all these regulations that make it so expensive You know to create a terrible parallel, but they totally do that in the movie industry Yeah, totally, you know, like it's it's it's either it's a proven concept that we're going to funnel money into because We just tweak it or add like a different cast of people Because we know we can predict like box office records so much stuff is trapped exactly There's nothing So hard to find it speaking of original so nci right company we work with oh, I got them tonight Oh, you're on there tonight Yeah, so they do coaching for for coaches and trainers helping them be successful and they're very unique in their approach very effective Unfortunately, there's a lot of bullshit and short. This is why we took so long to work with anybody That's because there's so many people preying on New coaches and trainers giving the money and actually giving them no value Dude, did you see what they're going to give away right now? So I want to make sure I get this right Doug if you could scroll down there It was like $10,000. So this is a a training worth of coaching So this is a training and coaching seminar essentially or course that they normally charge a lot of money for Which essentially what you're doing when you go in there is they're teaching you the framework That will work best for your specific coaching business, which is this is a big deal So they're going to teach you your specific framework do this. This is going to work best for you Here's your offer. 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I love that I love that too because it's like one of the things I don't like about mastermind groups is this You know, you're 90 of them in there are never going to reach that potential and they're just pumping their money in this You know pipe dream that they're going to take in their money Yeah, and so I just I've never been oh, I would never really sleep at night doing that But doing that really puts a lot of pressure on him to deliver Yep, you know, if you because then you ain't get you ain't making the rest of your money If you can't get these people up to that up to that 10k and I think that's really cool. I didn't know that he did that Hey, thanks for listening to the show real quick Head over to one of our partners drink ollie pop.com forward slash mine pump. So drink Oli pop dot com forward slash mine pump. They make sodas like this one right here This is classic grape. 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I have a I feel like I have a I'm a poster child of a what you guys Talk about often having a very slow to almost no metabolism Basically the last year partly due to COVID et cetera just gained a lot of weight gained a lot of unwanted body fat and I've just been Really trying to cut that down. I've done a couple other workout programs Until I discovered y'all's podcast and I have gone through anabolic and It's definitely working. I want to say that for sure, but I am basically at a point where I'm trying to increase my calories but bottom line my my metabolism is just really slow and Really starting to get under my skin thomas. Have you have you ever done like a a bulk where you were trying to actually gain Muscle for an extended period of time or have you been kind of Doing the I see you've done hit and you've done the whole 30 and you've ran It looks like you're eating 1200 to 1500 calories But have you ever tried to actually Build and put on weight For an extended period of time or have you pretty much been trying to run a deficit whenever you've been focused on getting in shape Um, I've definitely always done the deficit thing. Um, I am currently trying to to increase my calories And I mean honestly it's our like my wife and I are both counting macros right now and I thought I was doing great even yesterday and I look at my old counter and I literally was at 1500 and just stuff to the brim but um No, I have not specifically done a bulk Okay, you said stuff to the brim so you're finding that eating 1500 calories and you can't eat more because you get too full eating them Yes, um pretty much. Yes, um, you know partly Again closer child here Earlier this year did the whole 30 tried keto last year Um intermittent fasting I was doing I think earlier this year. I was I could go without eating until honestly dinner. I do like a smaller meal at lunch, but no breakfast And skip so, you know since I've been doing anabolic I've really focused on trying to do three meals a day and sit in the snacks, but um So yes, I've had some days where I'm over 2000 calories But those are the days where I do feel I do feel stuffed. Okay. Well, I mean I want to be clear There's nothing necessarily wrong with a metabolism that runs off of lower calories now No, we have we'd have to look into more detail Is this due to certain factors or the health issues? But if you're otherwise healthy And you're eating Lowish calories and you feel okay and your strength is going up There isn't really Necessarily a need to try to push it as high as you possibly can unless You're finding that it's hard for you to get leaner at those low calories And you don't want to go any lower in other words if you're eating 1500 to 2000 calories Like you know that satisfies me, but I do want to get leaner But I also if I eat more than that it just feels like too much food That's a bit of a different strategy if that's the case is now Is that the case with you thomas or are you like look 15 to 200 to 2000 too low? I'm hungry And that's the challenge like what's the issue here? Uh, no, I'm definitely satisfied and and and you know pretty full. Um, okay like specifically the last two weeks Okay, because my wife started doing it As well, I was I've been trying to get honestly above, you know, 2,800 calories And so far I've met that like once yeah, no no take take take your time Especially since your goal is to has been to get leaner take your time and allow the workouts to stimulate your appetite unless you're feeling Challenged by eating only 1500 to 2000 calories I wouldn't worry so much about pushing the calories as much as I would by sending the right signal to your body to build muscle and get stronger That will start to typically get your appetite to go up as well just to Fuel your body the other thing I would do is is if you have any symptoms or signs of Hormone imbalances or testosterone imbalances get that checked And see where your testosterone levels are sometimes low testosterone can cause that now that being said strength training them properly Pretty much reliably will raise testosterone as well So and you've been going through anabolic phase one and you haven't really noticed much of an appetite increase Well, so yes, let me dive in there a little bit. Um, I have noticed an appetite increase in one of the best games That I've had is like actually feeling hungry in the morning um So here's where I'm a little mystified and I didn't put this on my question, but I did Uh, I'm I'm actually starting anabolic again, but I did, you know, all nine weeks I did the three days a week program Um, and I gained 12 pounds. Um, I didn't I mean I wasn't trying to weigh myself But I weigh myself before and after and shot right up so Again, I was I'm slightly mystified how I could get that How you how you gained 12 pounds? Well, I mean, well Yeah, it's not fat. I know it's not fat. Oh, well, that's that's freaking great. Yeah kicking ass as far as I'm concerned Yeah, if your strength did your strength go up a lot Yeah, it was insane. Yeah, okay, you're dude. You're actually doing probably really fucking good, bro You're on the right track. I would I would stay on that track Follow your appetite what we don't want to do the reason why we encourage people to Eat more and speed up their metabolism Is is usually because the person struggles With the calories that they're eating to maintain their body weight like my gosh, it's so hard for me to Stay at this, you know x amount of calories I'm always hungry in that particular scenario We want to try and get your metabolism faster because it makes it a lot easier But if you feel good and you feel satisfied and you're getting stronger and you're building muscle Let that be your guide sweet spot right there. Yeah, I would just keep doing that You're kicking ass and and this is your second round now going through maps and a ball like after doing that I'd go maps performance or maps aesthetic, which is kind of taking you up to even another level I do I do think though that your your head is in the right place of of wanting to I know Sal's saying that you don't necessarily need to increase calories, but you're a 40 year old male at 200 over 200 pounds Nutritionally, I think you it would be advantageous to get your caloric intake up So your body is getting all the micro macronutrients pretty hard to get The macro and micronutrients that the body needs with only 1500 calories for a 230 pound man Especially if he's got a good amount of lean body mass So your your idea of wanting to increase I think is a smart strategy But to Sal's point I you don't need to stress about it so much that you need to push calories and allow the world Like you you you get you hit a good workout Let's say you do a phase one maps anabolic workout and the next day you wake up and you're hungry That's an awesome sign Feed that feed it feed it give it the calories it wants and then maybe you have a next day is a trigger day And you just your appetite's not roaring and you only eat about 1500 calories That's okay. Don't stress about that when it tells you that you're you're hungry and you need calories Feed it just make good choices feed it and it sounds like oh, well, I don't know if I get some speculating But uh, did you typically skip breakfast before was that like part of your day? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah Like I said, I've had to I've had to change my lifestyle pretty drastically Which is I know that's part of the process, but yeah, I was never eating breakfast. Oh, yeah You start making that a priority and you start feeding yourself because your body is obviously, you know Like I giving you those signals like feed me So, you know you start making that a priority and just you know watch how that sort of snowball is from there Yeah, I just just really if you send the right signals If you're comfortable right now with your calories in the sense that you don't feel like you're you're oh my gosh I need to eat more Feed your body what it needs eat good, right? So pick good Make good choices eat the adequate amount of protein Send this signal to build muscle as you get stronger You you should see your appetite start to increase along the way now I do I do want to address something that It does put you at a disadvantage when you're at this low of calories So although it's okay and what everyone's saying is right Here's where it can get really frustrating for someone like you who has an ultimate goal of losing more body fat and you're Everything's going pretty well right now You have less room for air and what I mean by that is You know, let's say Justin who eats closer to 3,500 calories a day decides. Hey, it's saturday I'm going to have two beers and a slice of pizza because it's saturday I want to enjoy some football or whatever right so already so he so he eats an additional You know 400 calories that you know aren't really that beneficial for him that he normally wouldn't well That percentage of his maintenance of 3,500 is is a fraction compared to what? 400 bad calories say you know quote-unquote bad calories are for you So you do have and that's probably you know why I think it's a good idea that you're trying to Increase calories over time and build them and tab was up so that you can have some balance in your life Have days like that occasionally and it doesn't feel like it all sticks on you and you gain body fat So it is important to know that that is one of the disadvantages of having the calories so low Even if you're satisfied you're fine It gives you less room for air if you eat outside your meal plan Yeah, but you but you're on the right track and just give it some time Yeah, you're doing good, bro Slowly you're going to see you'll probably see it start to increase Over time strength gains are the best gauge That is the best gauge if you're stronger and you're getting you're doing a lot of things right It's hard to get consistently stronger and do a lot of things wrong That's a very very hard to do that and something might help too Mentally for you if you haven't done this already is to you know pick and get one of those You know digital scales that do the body fat test or go to if you have a local like Supplement place that normally has them or a gym and use that and again Don't get hung up on whatever the initial number is but use that as a good gauge of you know test your body fat And then you know follow the program take the advice we're talking about nutritionally And then you know four to eight weeks later retest again because you know you may hover Around that same kind of body weight and not see a huge dip right away But you're having this nice exchange where you know you've lost five pounds of fat But you also gained five pounds of muscle so the scales stayed the same But you are dramatically changing your body composition and you are in a very nice place where I would love to see my clients Okay, all right. Perfect. That's awesome. Now tom. Thomas you're you're doing maps at a ball like I think the best program to follow up with that is maps performance if you don't have that we'll send that over to you Okay Okay, thank you guys so much. I did want to say just one one one. Uh, thank you um I'm in the I'm in the military. I fly for the air force. Um And you know, I am my wife makes fun of me because I'm not in social media channels I don't talk about a lot of the Whatever trends on the insta's or the facebook's but She makes fun of me because I love y'all's podcast so much and when I drive to work That's what I'm listening to and uh, you guys are authentic and genuine and uh, I don't know I love it. You guys are changing lives out there specifically mine. So Do what you're doing. Thank you. Thomas and thank you for keeping us safe. Thanks for that. I appreciate what you do. Oh, thank you Absolutely. Thank you guys. Take it easy Yeah, I mean, you know this this conversation is it was good because it shows the nuances of of calories, you know I remember when we talked to, um Pekolsky ben Pekolsky, right? So he was a pro bodybuilder big IFBB bodybuilder Later on, you know, he now he's a podcast host and he's kind of a health and wellness guy very very smart guy One of the smartest bodybuilders I've ever met love him. Yep, and I remember talking to him and I had this Misconception around pro bodybuilder. I remember this and I said, you know Pro bodybuilders have just the the rarest muscle building genetics. That's very true, right? They're like 0.01 of the population can build muscle like that among other things and I said and you guys probably also have this incredible digestive system to be able to eat 10 000 calories a day to build all that muscle and he goes no Not at all He goes we have bodies that can build a tremendous amount of muscle on 3000 calories a day And I blew my mind. Of course Of course, so calorie efficiency is a real thing and this guy, you know, he's eaten 2000 calories a day He's a big guy, but he's like I feel good like should I stuff myself because it's it's too much food It's like if you feel good you're healthy and you're getting stronger You're okay, and it'll probably go up as you get stronger. So don't stress over it No, I think that was great advice But I did think it's very important to address what I brought up because That's the thing you got to be careful with someone like this because you tell them all that and they're like, oh cool great I'm doing so good. They go on vacation. Yeah, then he doesn't it doesn't even have to do it that much When you're that low a calorie, you know, that's why I use the analogy Maybe we're you know, Justin at 3500 calories. They both eat the exact same thing And it's going to affect Justin's body wiggle room. Yeah, absolutely significantly different than that So even though you're in a comfortable place and you're happy the the the drawbacks of not, you know Trying to push the calories up there is that hey, you're human. You're probably going to have some birthday cake You're probably going to have a night out with pizza or popcorn every now and then and when you do It's you know having a faster metabolism is insurance that you don't Put all that on body fat, but hey 500 calories to somebody, you know, which is we all know 500 calories when you're eating junk food Is like not I can breathe I can breathe that in right probably a thousand of 1500s more realistic. So he could literally Eat his his his whole entire day double it. Yeah double it real quick And that's the that's the drawback of that situation is he could be doing so good for like two weeks straight And then he has one little hiccup and that little hiccup affects him Yeah, way more than it would affect Justin having that same hiccup Our next caller is jasmine from california. Hey jasmine. How can we help you? Hey guys, I'm very excited to be here Uh, I'm from orange county california I've been listening to guys for a year and love you guys talking about current events And I used to live in the bay area so I can totally relate when you guys talk about tech trends And housing prices Yeah Yeah, so uh, under you guys influence this year My focus is strengths training and before that I did bikini competition and I was doing a lot of cardio Uh, so my question is how do I continuously make strengths gains during offices of menstrual cycle? So a little more context on that is um, so although there is not sufficient research But there are some research showing that during different phases of menstrual cycle Women performance is at different level. So during the first phase which is from Period to ovulation about two weeks Because of hormones in this phase women are performing on average at a higher level and lift higher Especially close to ovulation because of higher testosterone Many women hit prs during this time And after this time the second phase of the menstrual cycle from ovulation to next period There is increased progesterone, so performance drop And it's not the case for every woman, but it's exactly the case for me I noticed After my ovulation every month My strengths decreased and it's very apparent because right now my focus is on pull-up And I can do a pull-up before ovulation, but I cannot after ovulation It's very discouraging because I work very hard together From a thick band to media band to thin band and finally got there and then lost it just after ovulation so, um I read a lot of articles and they all say oh during this phase You should try to relax and do some gentle yoga and gentle cardio But I really want to make strengths gains So my question is how do I program my strength training workout during the entire phase so that even though I don't hit prs every day Even though I don't perform at my best every day. How do I continuously program my workout to make strengths gains This is such a cool question that we actually talked before about creating a program specifically to do this Now here's why Dr. Jolene bright. Yeah. Here's why okay. Here's some of the reasons why we didn't and and I'm gonna ask you a question Okay, so are you exactly the same as every single woman you've met in your life? No Yeah, of course not so here's the here's the challenge and trouble with these kinds of studies and advice, okay Generally speaking There's truth behind some of this stuff, right? So when you're ovulating, um, there's certain hormones that peak testosterone being one of them After that hormones change and that can change how you feel and blah blah blah The problem with this is if we take this At face value oftentimes what it can do is it can make you ignore the most important possible thing Which is to listen to your own body When I would train a client, I don't care what phase of uh, you know, her menstrual cycle She's in if she feels good and strong today Then we're going to train in a way to you know to cater to that if she's feeling a bit tired I don't care if she's ovulating and it's in the first phase and I'm reading this book And it says you should make strength gains if she says she's tired Well, we're going to train at a much lower intensity So what I would do if I were you this is good information to understand and know it'll help you understand yourself Ultimately though what you need to do is take it and apply it to Listening to your own body So if you feel good, you have good energy, then it's okay to increase the intensity and train harder If you don't it's okay to train lighter with less intensity. Follow that that will guide you Much better than these general pieces of advice now to be a little bit more specific with your pull-up question The mode if you really want to get better at pull-ups The best possible thing you could do with it is practice them every day now I didn't say work out with them every day, but rather Practice them every day. So get a pull-up bar at home Put a resistance band around it because when you practice them, you don't want them to be super hard And just get better at them every single day. You will see strength gains in your pull-ups very consistently And very quickly if you do it that way the only the only value I see in the research around this and the articles because I've read a lot of this stuff too and we like I said we talked about Writing one of these programs at one point and this was the challenge and the hurdle We had is there's such an individual variance between all of our female clients we train to Sal's point You know, I've had somebody on on day three after their cycle feel this way And then I've had a a woman who felt completely the opposite And so if I wrote a program that's for the masses that is you know It's telling you oh on on this day of your cycle back off and do this many sets or reps Like it's going to be so inaccurate for such a large percentage of people So the only real value I see in this information is to help give someone insight who doesn't understand why Hey, man, why every time when I get to this part of my cycle Do I feel this way and then you find out what's going on with your hormones and it's like oh, okay And then you can have a little bit of empathy for yourself So you're not you know beating yourself up like what you know, what am I doing wrong or what's wrong with me It's like no, this is completely normal a lot of women experience this So just ride the wave you'll be fine in a few days and you'll be back the other way But as far as trying to write some rigid program I don't mean we we don't even believe that take, you know periods out of this and just A person who is trying to figure out their training program We don't even believe anyone should follow our programs exactly to a tee You should always and we're always coaching on the show on how to Listen to your body and and also Calculate in okay last night. So if you're following a maps program, you know a period aside You're just following a maps program and it's your next day is for you to go hit heavy squats And last night your kid keeps you up till three in the morning and you only get four hours of sleep I'm not going to have you follow that to a tee. We are going to make it audible And we're going to we're going to scale back on the intensity. Well, that's actually the direction I was going to go is going to ask like if you've ever kind of checked or Tried out hrv and paid attention to your stress levels and Obviously, you're in tune with you know your cycle and you're kind of making associations there I'm wondering to if you know if that's something that you're You know pursuing and trying to track and and and get more understanding around too Of we we've talked about this with jota franco too about how to get like a grip tester You know in the morning and give you a pretty accurate read of of you know How ready you are your readiness sort of factor going into you know a strength workout Tends to help If if you're the type of person that wants that kind of insight and can apply it Yeah, so jasmine what he's saying essentially is you could if you really want to get super technical You could take a grip Tester a a I can't remember the name a dyne dynamometer dynamometer dynamometer. It'll measure your strength pump store has them We have one at mind pump store.com. You can measure your strength on it And do this for two weeks or three weeks in a row use your non-dominant hand notice your trends And then if you're a lot higher than your average You know that you probably can go harder that day if it's much below your average Then you want to go a little easier But at the end of the day even that even that is just teaching you to start to listen to your body There is no better coach in the world than you being able to listen to your body That's just the bottom. Just get you more in tune with your natural body signals Totally and so here's what I want to do for you. Are you in our private forum jasmine? And no, okay I'm going to give you free access to our private forum and here's what I want you to do Is I want you to ask people because we have a lot of trainers and professionals in there We're in there too ask people questions in the forum because you'll get some more Personalized advice so you could say something like hey, you know, I'm stuck at five pull-ups Has anybody tried anything here that was successful at getting them better and you'll get other trainers and coaches commenting for example So I think that someone like you will find a lot of value in that. We also have done very specific Videos on our youtube channel to that exact question. So if you haven't looked at that make sure you check those out I'm sure andrew will link it On the youtube channel so you can watch some of the videos that we talked about that and we've done episodes dedicated to that question so Yeah, you know listening to your body, you know, and this is the this is the hard part of Of science all the great information and studies and stuff that come out like a diagnosis And then you stuck there and I guarantee there there's somebody who's listening right now. That's Well versed in this area and is going like oh, that's well, there's this and they're they want to talk about How much more information there is around this and it's like at the end of the day All that goes out the window if my client feels amazing that day or terrible I don't care what all the research points to on how they should feel at this point in their cycle If they don't feel that way i'm adjusting my program and that goes for Talking about somebody who's on a period or not that does take that out of the equation And I am making a decision on my program. I might have written the plan today But when my client shows up the way they the way they report back to me on how they slept how they fell How they how they ate and all that how they feel ready today is going to dictate the intensity that I bring to that workout Totally. So jasmine, we'll see you in the forum. Okay Yeah, so just one uh last question. So when you say adjust the intensity You mean not only reps, but also all kinds of stuff stuff. You guys talk about like intervals and Yes Wait, okay. Yeah, just think of it this way harder or easier So more intensity is harder less intensity is easier and you can use you can do uh, Total volume meaning that you do a little less So let's say it's a day and you just even though your program says to get after it and do a hard workout today You might scale back on the total sets You may scale back on the weight all that will lower intensity and then the the opposite is true You come in and it's a day where you are feeling good. You're well rested And you know, maybe this this point in your cycle you tend to always feel stronger Well, that's the day i'm gonna push those limits those are the days that i'm gonna put more weight on the bar than you usually do And see what you can do. Yes Thank you very much. No problem. Thank you. Thank you jasmine Yeah, i've i've worked with people who get so hung up on Numbers and the books and this is what the science says that they completely ignore Their own bodies and it takes them out of their bodies even more than if they didn't have that information sometimes So you got to you kind of take it absorb it Consider it But you got to listen to how you feel that's nothing else matters at that point. I don't care what your any test says You feel like crap. All right. We're not gonna we're gonna train you recording. Well, it reminds me of yeah Certain people coming in and they've read articles. They've read studies and then they're like, oh, yeah, that's me And then that's always them from there. Like i'm always a hard gainer You know, like I can never I have a really slow metabolism and it's just like this Uh definition that they sort of just carry with them from ever well And I don't I'm sure I came off a little dismissive of the science that's related to this And I don't want to come off that way It's just that it's providing insight if somebody Had terrible sleep the night night before or the last workout they did they overreached and did too much Those two factors alone individually not both combined, but individually by themselves will impact Their capability to work out today more than a point in their cycle Right, that's how when so so if you're all hung up and you're watching the the period cycle so much You know, oh, this is the day I'm supposed to feel great But one of those other factors is out of line and then and nutrition another one like one of those three things If you're too low of calories that day or the day before That will make a greater impact than what day you are on your period now and that also there's a variance there too So but maybe for someone else. It's not like that. Maybe somebody else is listening and they're like, man That's not true adam when I'm during my cycle like clockwork. It doesn't matter if I am off calories It doesn't like yeah, but always points back to the same thing. You're an individual That's right. It's and then that that's you so you you adjust that way because you've learned and so that's I like that stuff Because it's just one more thing you're you're paying attention to and just making you more aware Of your body and I think there's tremendous value in that But that's where you got to be careful not to get so hung up on and this is why a good trainer or a good coach Will outperform Any program that's out there in the world that's written for a lot of people because a good coach or a good trainer Knows exactly how to individualize the training and nutrition to the person Our next caller is sarah from california. Hey, sarah. How can we help you? Hi mind palm. Thanks so much for taking my call. It's great to talk with you. Yeah, thanks. Thank you So I have a question about something that I've seen circulating on social media recently that I just really wanted your input on So I've heard some others in the fitness space talking recently about the benefits to Women's specifically training glutes where The weight is indirectly loading the spine for the purpose of avoiding bulking through the midsection and I understand that as performing exercises like um hip thrusts barbell split squats lunges deadlifts Where the weight is below the spine um to avoid that Bulking effect that cannot bend and I'm just wondering if you think there's any truth to that or any merit or benefit To women or anyone training that way who want to grow glutes, but stinging Yeah, good. Good question. Tiny bit of truth. Here's what I want you to do. I want you to stop following all those idiots I don't follow them. Yeah. No, what they're doing is they're you using very smart, but also sneaky and slimy Marketing tactics, which is women are afraid of growing the waist, but they want to grow their butt So what they will do is they'll position themselves differently or try to by saying I have the butt exercises that also don't grow your waist Implying heroes in on the butt implying that the best exercises you could possibly do don't do those They're going to make your waist grow. Don't worry about that. That's the dumbest thing ever. I hate That almost more than anything in the fitness space this whole mentality about freaking out over growing the muscles around your waist Sarah even if I trained your core muscles Like a bodybuilder and even if my goal was to make your muscles of your crow of your core grow as much as possible It wouldn't happen. You would get is a very sculpted Strong midsection. It's very hard to grow those muscles. They don't grow that much anyway And it's very rare to see somebody with really overly developed muscles of the core And if in those individuals are the super genetically gifted I wouldn't worry that about that at all. The best exercises to grow your glutes are the best exercises Barbell squats is one of them. Is it going to activate the core? Of course it is It's just going to give you a stronger more sculpted core. Do not worry about Growing your waist with that if if you're really worried about that you just maintain a lean body fat percentage That makes the biggest difference that the muscle don't worry about that Well before adam kind of takes you into the aesthetic sculpting world This is like nails on a chalkboard to me in terms of dysfunction Okay, in terms of protecting your spine and having The ability to avoid pain and in future problems down the road You know, we need to consider building up the core to be able to You know be able to protect itself appropriately and also have the strength to support, you know your lower back So, uh, in terms of avoiding it by loading Your spine, I think it's a disservice to kind of put that kind of information out there So to address the the tiny bit of truth to this If a female client who wants to build her butt is working with me and we are doing Heavy loaded deadlifts and we're in a calorie surplus. Yeah, her butt's going to grow her hamstrings grow and legs grow And you know what maybe she adds a you know a Millimeter on to her waist because her core is having to stabilize that that is going to build some muscle You're in a calorie surplus So you may build build a tiny bit But the ratio of the waist to the butt Will not I mean your your butt will grow out grow what that waist is going to grow So the the as far as the hip to waist ratio is totally different. Yeah, and and actually, you know Even though i'm talking aesthetics. Justin's point is so important and and I used to I used to die when I'd see these my peers and when I was competing This is very common in the in the men's physique world too So you have all these men's physique guys wearing these, you know, corsets or screams Around their waist to shrink their waist and then avoiding squats and movements like that because They don't want to bulk their waist because judges score us on a You know shoulder to waist ratio and if I have big broad shoulders and I have this, you know Tiny little waist then they they score me better on that and the same thing goes for like bikini models So so there's this movement in the space to let's atrophy and shrink The waist area as much as possible and try everything we can to build that and in theory There's a little bit of truth to that but at the the risk of what justin is pointing out Comes to that. Yeah, that's it's a stupid idea and then to what's sourcing like the the ratio You visually are good if you build the butt doing the best exercises which happen to be things like squats which load the spine You are missing out on one of the best ways to grow the butt So the ratio is still going to outweigh what you might see in the waist and you would never want to to justin's point Not train the core because of that. So it's a it's a it's a dumb idea that you see Circulate it's been circulating for quite some time now. In fact, you can go all the way back to Early episodes and mine pump and it was one of the first things that we came out And addressed because it was just I was in the middle of competing and I was telling these guys They at that point neither none of them didn't believe they couldn't believe me when I come I say you guys won't believe this But would you believe that I've got bodybuilder buddies of mine that won't squat And they actually wear these waist trainers all day long and they just didn't believe this was really happening And yeah, it's still it still is Circulating and popular and yes, there is a tiny bit of truth to it But it's splitting hairs What you're talking about and it's it's a stupid way to go about it Yeah, I'll tell you what it's a very clear red flag that the person you're listening to Is an idiot and doesn't know fitness and health. No, I swear to god Yeah, if a fitness and health professional brass tass no, no I 100% if a fitness and health professional is telling people or women You don't want to grow your waist. Don't do squats. Just do that. That's an idiot Don't follow them and I'll say that all day long. That's a terrible terrible information. Don't worry about that Your physique will look its best If you strengthen all of it not if you avoid some of it for fear of You know some strength is sexy Well, here's the thing like you got we have to remember that these these bikini athletes and these men's physique competitors So I think is what who's perpetuating this problem They're not thinking about that. These are the people that shoot all kinds of drugs in them and do all kinds of different world Yeah, it's a they do not care about health and what's ideal for them They purely want every little competitive edge that will score them one more point higher on stage So they a lot of them because that's their life Will sacrifice some of this stuff in pursuit of getting that millimeter advantage Yet they're risking something that is crazy, but they'll do it for that reason. Yeah, by the way in real life The best looking mid sections are developed. They're not just small They're developed and so that's muscle like anything else But like I said, I could train your core We're trying to build it as much as possible and I might like Adam said I might be lucky if I grow your waist Through muscle by a millimeter if I'm lucky, it's just not going to happen. So don't worry about that Now are you following one of our programs at the moment? I'm not I'm relatively new to weight training and I totally hear you guys about, you know Avoiding the social media hype of all of these different like quick fixes and things I definitely think of you guys as the gold standard. That's why I wanted to ask this question But I'm not currently following program. All right. Well, thank you. You're on the right track I'm going to send you maps on a balik. I think that's the program you should start with Start in pre phase Follow pre phase for about six weeks Then move to phase one and so on and I think you'll love the results. Okay Thank you so much. I really appreciate that and I appreciate your time. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir And that's frustrating People with mistil persists that just say the dumbest shit and poor, you know, she's 24 Luckily, she found us but you know, you're at that age And you know, you judge authority by followers and by attention and all the person looks good Yeah, and you end up harming yourself or just spending your your tires in the dirt for years And then later on realizing. Oh my god, that person was dumb. I should never follow that. Yeah, too And and I know a lot of this is coming from the the aesthetic side, right? This is not these are definitely not performance people These are not definitely people that are thinking about longevity. This is somebody who's like Can I make my ass look as big as I can with my waist being as small as awesome ratios that our glass And and and even though it has a little bit of true tiny tiny fraction of truth behind it It's it really doesn't because if you eliminate the the single best exercise your butts won't grow as much Yeah, your butt won't grow as much So okay, so maybe you make sure that waist doesn't grow anything by putting this corset on it or whatever like that But then you don't do something like squatting and you only do all the other movements That also build the butt great hip thrust amazing for that all those are amazing moves But to just eliminate one of the best exercises for doing that You're missing out on those automatic gains on that ass and you even if it takes the waist up another millimeter the inch You're giving up on the butt. You're losing in this one. Yeah, it's like it'll be like removing two ribs to get a smaller waist Wow, look my waist is smaller. You got two less ribs. I love that tag automatic gains on that ass Our next caller is bethany from kentucky. Hey bethany, how can we help you? Hey guys, thanks for taking my question So thanks to you guys. I'm in the beginning processes of kind of reconstructing my whole mindset around fitness and nutrition I'm a former athlete long time ago and What we are doing now we're doing this seven day program that you guys put out my husband and I are and it My question is what does prs look like? Do you guys do that with these kind of programs? How do I What does that look like? I guess it's my question. No, that's a great question So pr stands for personal record, right? So it's like I lifted more than I did before I did more reps Then I did before now if you're going to be a if you're going to compete in a sport where that's part of the criteria Like power lifting Olympic lifting strong man comes strong man. There's a very specific Structure you want to follow of when you test out your your new pr Leading up to a particular event now If that's not you if you're working out because you want to be fit and healthy And you want to do this for a long period of time There there really is no set in stone when you I for me personally I allow my body to dictate When that's going to happen. How do I feel? Oh, wow. I'm feeling really strong today Maybe I'll go heavier. Maybe I'll try myself, you know try going a little harder I will say this though Especially if you work out for a long time Chasing the pr can definitely become a problem. In fact, I rarely do that now because I don't care as much the risk of breaking an old record Does not outweigh the the Outweighs the benefit right the benefit of doing so so now I just train if I feel good I get a little harder, but I don't necessarily try to break old records But I guess otherwise the message is allow your body to dictate that so depending on how you feel Um, but I definitely wouldn't be doing prs every single week. I think that's maybe for beginners No, if you're unless you're competing so Beth, I competed in mens physique and I made it all the way to the professional level never testing a pr I did not start I did not start testing prs until I got with these assholes And we were all we were all competitive about who was squatting more who was deadlifting more and sal was so Impressed or so impressive with his deadlift that I wanted to see if I could catch him He couldn't and so I was on a mission Still on top all ego driven No value in how I'm adjusting my program or anything like that because there's going to be someone who's going to try and make The case to you about how valuable it is to know where you need to be at not bullshit If you just care about feeling better getting stronger looking better You can get to the highest level of that and never test your pr one time And the truth is One of the reasons why I think I feel so passionately about telling someone you like like you about this is because I've had more aches and pains Today and and chasing prs with these guys than I ever had in my life before and it just when you when you push your limits like that It is extremely difficult. It's almost inevitable You're going to have a little bit of something off And that's all it takes to tweak something or stress something and now my joints are inflamed and so Doing that to me is it only makes real sense if I've got a client who is really into You know chasing prs and we want to see these games But if you are just doing it because you want to see it I would do it as little as possible to be honest with you in terms of yeah, sustainability and longevity I completely 100% agree However, there are some days where just all the stars are lined up and you're going through One of your favorite exercises say it's a squatter bench or something And you just just feel that weight move and easy I honestly you do it like a couple times a year and you know when you get that feeling that one day Like I have no problem with doing a pr that day and and having fun with it But literally it's just I look at it as fun like let's see What I can do today because I mean my body's giving me all that feedback that I have everything working for me But other than that, uh, yeah to their point. It's really not something I program in I'm always trying to to be smarter with my programming and and sort of check myself because you know that inner athlete that you describe You know is going to come up in the forefront is going to make you do something stupid So i'm always checking myself on that intensity, but you know like if your body is Ready that day and it's it's a fun thing to do go for now bethany you said your fault So we did for people watching this we did, uh, we gave out a free Seven day a week kind of workout program and included Of course resistance training. There's some mobility. There's lots of components to it Um, and it's a great workout, but it's out there for free. So hopefully we can link that in this show Now i'm asking for you. How long have you been doing this particular workout? uh Only about two weeks and it's been i'll be honest and you guys touched on it It's been really tough because I want to do more like i'm in that route where i'm just like, okay let's get back to where we were i'm trying to get back to old good habits and This has been Really hard to not do more but at the same time like i've felt really good My husband said the same thing too. He's felt really good Because we're not going so hard and we're not trying to push it with everything. So perfect and that's actually a lot We actually that was a seven day a week. Yeah, well, yeah, you're no you're good Trust the process you're doing a good job. I'm gonna i'm gonna let you in our private forum So that you can have support and you can ask other people because that's gonna help you it's gonna help you a lot because Someone like yourself. Um, I get it, you know, you want to do more because you can Not necessarily the right thing to do but Especially if you're competitive, it's it's gonna always be pushing that direction the private form will help Yeah, you can communicate with other people Coach yourself out of it trust the process share your progress And after about 12 weeks of doing that you'll you'll be I think you'll want to move to another maps program And we have plenty to choose from but for now I'm gonna let you in the private forum Make sure you tag us when you post in there so we can see okay for sure. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you very much You know prs are like there's such a good thing, but also such a bad thing Did you know I didn't even know what they were until like midway through my career I know I remember you telling us that I didn't I didn't know what it was until we used to call it max Like would you max out? Yeah, so I do I do remember hearing max out of crossfit I believe or maybe I was because I mean I wasn't I also wasn't very privy to the you know Powerlifting community, so maybe they were using that term and I so I wasn't around that So that's part of the reason why I probably didn't hear it at all But it wasn't until like crossfit became really popular that I started to hear all the time In fact, I remember I would start getting people coming into the gym first time and they'd be You know, you know, I want to get my pr to this. I'm like, what I remember having to ask a person coming to get Training for me. Yeah, what's the personal responsibility? I was like, what's a public relations? You need a public relations person. No, it's really it's really good because I think it made A strength something to focus on right track. I agree mainstream before that especially women didn't even track strength They didn't care. I always use the five pound dumbbells how many times you get a client like that Oh, how long have you been used five? Oh, I don't know 15 years. You know, okay We got to get you a little stronger or challenge you a little bit So that's the good the bad is It could be addicting and you could chase it and that could be everything and then you hurt yourself That's why I feel conflicted about talking about it because I totally agree with you that and that's one of the things We talk about what we all like or love about crossfit is they really did Reintroduce strength training for the masses making it popular again to get strong and especially for women like before crossfit I don't feel like anybody was communicating that message really well, right and it is the right message It is the right message focus on getting stronger and try and get yourself strong But not at the the the risk of potentially hurting yourself Or also the potential of getting addicted to prs Which this is the classic person to do that totally So a person who was an athlete Is the is the one that has to be the most careful about moving into that competitive chasing prs You're not in spite of your body signals that it's providing you that's why I like your advice It's really good advice and here's like here's the bottom line Okay, even if you do everything perfectly if you work out long enough You're gonna have to make peace with the fact that you you're not going to be chasing prs at some point Yeah, you're not going to hit prs. I'd be very discouraged if that yeah So like if you do this long enough you got to figure this out No matter what because if you're chasing prs all the time and you're going to you plan on working out forever At some point you're gonna have to figure this out because you ain't going to be hitting prs in your 50s and 60s and 70s I also want to add something that I wish that we'd see more of it and I didn't get a chance to tell her this But I wish that um, we would talk about prs because it sounds for personal record So it doesn't always have to be more weight on the bar Why not a personal record on how deep you were able to get a squat or how far you can get your Your shoulder around on a a wall circle or how much you can lift your back leg up in a 90 90 Like we need to set prs on other metrics that are health related or improve the quality of movement Opposed to just measuring prs You know or a pr being of your stamina endurance or stuff like that I hit a pr the other day for how tired I was. I was like this is the most tired I've ever I've ever been Like we we just always quality. Yeah, we're all are you that or quality of movement. I did I did the most beautiful 185 pounds. Okay. 185 pound squad is nothing for me, but it was the most perfect barefoot beauty. That's a pr Like there's nothing wrong with that being a pr or a personal best of Movement quality and I wish that it wasn't always centered around weight on the bar because I think that leads Yeah, that would be a cool movement. I'd be all for that Excellent excellent point. Look if you like our information head over to mind pump free.com go check out our guides Lots of great information that can help you with any fitness goals We have a lot of guides on there mind pump free.com You can also find all of us on instagram So you can find Justin at mind pump Justin me at mind pump sal and adam at mind pump adam