 Hey, welcome everybody Steve with 10 books coming at you with again with father Kirby on another was an author spotlight though He didn't author this book the author is deceased Reckless kind of pod shape for him Say it help Mary for his eternal soul But father knows the book and said he liked it and knows it backwards and forwards upside them down in four different languages Maybe I'm exaggerating so father appreciate you coming on on this and thank you for being up for this book Yes, thank you. I appreciate the invitation. No, no, and again we as we talked last time he follows a What branch? Army National Guard. I was gonna say army, but I didn't want to insult you and say Navy was wrong No, no, no, what were you gonna say all you say and not only that I serve in the Army National Guard But comparatively in terms of my family I kind of went on the lighter end So I felt obviously a cult to serve to give back So I served six years in the Army National Guard, but my father's retired military My brother's retired military my uncle's retired military One of my nephews right now is in Fort Stewart, Georgia is serving in the Army One of my other nephews is actually in Fort still right now going through basic training about to enter The Army so you can imagine my entire family my background my life has been thoroughly imbued with the United States Army, so comparatively in terms of my family family members and stuff I You know, I was they say the weekend warrior But I served and I was happy to serve and never needed I would be happy to to serve again, but but I just want to emphasize to the viewers like My whole life is has been the military, which is why when you mentioned this book I said I to talk about priesthood and priests who serve the military's chaplain. It's like yes. Yes. Yes It has a no-brainer. So, um, so I'm excited about our conversation today. Yeah, full disclosure I never served but we were remember after uh, I think it was December 2011 dad was tight. We were at the marines Office going to try to sign up for OTC school and then dad pulled us away. So now we fought on enough wars We traced our lineage back to on his side to the tennessee militia. So we had every male in our family back into the tennessee militia times dad was in vietnam, which Got me peaked on this book was the movie Last full measure about the pair pj jumper. I forget his name right now, but it was a great movie And as father mentioned about tying him to priesthood, that's all I could see in that movie was There was a guy at the what happened was a medic got killed He's in the uh helicopter looking down and goes they need me down there. They're lost without me And their motto is you know, say michael's motto in the back or logo in the background and then their motto is that others may live and These heroic catholic chaplains as the book name is they did this so that others may live They know yes So obviously we got the ones that most people know about I guess we could start with those guys like vizsis capordano and Yes, yes. Yeah, so so first of if I can give kind of a lead in in that I think it's so important that as as catholics in particular But all people all americans all people will need to know the good priests that the vast vast majority of catholic priests are Are good men who have said yes to a call in order to selflessly serve to lay down their lives and service to others And I think that you know, obviously with the recent scandals and then some of the You know doctoral confusion and various things and and we see You know an exodus of young priests leaving today because they're so discouraged Or or views in terms of priestly identity or what it means To be a catholic priest in the midst of the church today in the midst of the world today So I think it's so important that we highlight and emphasize these exemplary priests Who reflect the vast majority of priests in their parishes that university campuses? You know hospitals prisons and various things of the vast majority because if anyone else These are rally around the priests. It's our own I've sometimes commented in the past to my congregation, especially when a particular person might have been particularly Disrespectful I will say that there are times in my priesthood I've been a priest almost 14 years where I'm shown more respect By the unbeliever in public society than by a catholic believer You know, and I call our own to task. I say you will not speak to a priest that way Do you know what I mean? It's like, you know, and some of the it catches people off guard because you know We're so egalitarian in America where everyone's the same everyone's you know equal and certainly we're all equal in dignity But there are offices and especially as Catholics who understand there are divinely appointed offices Which means our priests are fallen their week. They have their sinfulness But in the midst of it, they are the ones chosen by God to lead the church in his name So as I've said call me on my on my faults, you know, if I was too abrupt or impatient Sure, I'll be the first to apologize because I want to be holy and get the heaven But the other part is you know, don't try to use that in order to dismiss the authority That's been given to me or the authority. I attempted my fall in this to exercise in Christ's name So I I'm Just happy with books like this because you see we just don't tell our story well Like there are so many aspects of our tradition of our heroes of our saints Our own don't even know and thinking this is something to be proud of I mean, there are parts of the book on our military chapel jobs getting choked up You know, I'm thinking that's what it means to be a Catholic Christian That's what it means to be a priest and I just think that those are the parts the witnesses we need to emphasize That's a quick That's the quickest side as we lead into some of these hero priests, you know, because as you mentioned the Korean conflict We have a hero priest receive a congressional medal of honor Vietnam we have hero priests, you know, we have of course the exemplary ones during world war two that sometimes even non Catholics know just as Americans and sometimes our own Catholics don't know So if I could just emphasize that overall I think real importance that a book like this helps in terms of of just Regaining a sense of Catholic identity And a real sense of gratitude in being a part of the Roman Catholic Church Oh, yeah, no because I mean there's that book when sheep attack. I think it is by a prostin cleric A friend and priest of mine spoke about that and even talks about how We use what's going on with the COVID things of He was talking about if people keep if laity keep attacking the clerics as they do Running them down in the hospital in all airports Yelling of them on social media calling them names of social media. We got you know, god will there's there's no he's not Hey, we They owe they're owed priests. He we ain't owed anything. He can pull that out and then we're stuck with Nothing or the sacraments are taken away And then people get mad at priests again. They just it's yeah, like you said, it's that american mindset It's hard but pray I don't know too many people that know father Father martin as a good as a good guy or something like yes, he's preaching bad, but are you praying for him? Yes, right exactly and I'll tell you more tragically just recently a priest friend of different diocese from my own Who has begun the process to leave the priesthood? He told me in conversations. He said look like I will fight every fight. I will take every scar Inviting the enemies of the church and find the atheists and so on he said but it just got tired He goes, you know, not the fighting in the front So what got tired was the the knives in the back, you know from our own, you know I don't agree with his decision and I prayed the holy spirit guides him elsewhere But it just wore him down You know when you're fighting so hard for the gospel and so far it's hard for the people of god Only to be stabbed in the back by your own, you know So I think that as catholic members of the church we have to really understand The importance of praying for our priests that people say well, I don't like my pastor Well, maybe he doesn't like you either This has never been about preferences or personality Yeah, you know St. Paul says we have a bond by the holy spirit, you know So a rally to cause pray for him support him you might be surprised So I think in these areas There's so much that we can all learn and be reminded of because it's easy to attack authority We pride ourselves as americans were born revolution just revolution But that isn't our spirit and that can be a great benefit because we will fight for freedom and goodness But sometimes that can be a burden or a curse because we realize wait a minute Sometimes I need to tone that down. Maybe I shouldn't be attacking this authority Otherwise We ended up being like god millel and the acts of the apostles when the son hedon was attacking the apostles and he said Hey in his wisdom be careful because we continue to attack these men We might find ourselves actually attacking god. So I just think it's important again our priests are perfect They're not a bug approach, but I just think that as catholics we have to regain a real just esteem and Cherishing of of the priest like I became a priest because I felt called But also because I knew that there was no greater gift given to the human family than the continuation of the priesthood of jesus christ It's by that priesthood that we are saved and to be called to serve in that way I could think of no greater good. So and I hope that we retrieve that as catholics there's a Dignity and dignity and duties of priests by san alfonso's and uh Obviously that's for priests, but lady. I got a lot of that from just reading that as a layman going Holy cow, just again the dignity of a priest if you read that you'll see a guy in a collar in a very different light Yes, yes, amen, amen And if I can bring in aspects of the military with this for a second The viewers might appreciate this story. It's related to the to the topic of the book When I went to the seminary, I was preparing for my ordination as a transitional deacon That's the last step before I'm into ordained a priest And I went to the notes marion college. So we're actually ordained pre deacons At the altar was a chair in st. Peter's basilica, which is that beautiful chapel behind the main canopy of st peter's And my parents came over my dad's retired first sergeant in the army You know, you know, it's like a dog face soldier as he would say and um Am I got my time in the seminary? And and studies for the priesthood at various things my father was very supportive You know, like to place, you know, the common good over oneself to place A greater service to god before one's personal comfort like right up his alley But he shared with me. He said the one thing that he struggled with he says, you know this You know celibacy he says, you know, I get it like you go on your assignments You go on your mission. You have to leave the things you love behind You know, it's gesture to him would say we The soldier fights not because he hates what's in front of him But because he loves what is behind him, you know And so my father said I get that I get that he said but to come home And not have a family, you know He says, you know, you do what you gotta do, you know, and it's like, you know, you've got you have my support But I could tell just in his own mind his own heart. He kind of struggled with that Well, then here comes my ordination And archbishop o'brien Later cardinal o'brien who was the military archbishop the archbishop of military services So this is the archbishop who supervises the catholic Catholic soldiers and sailors and marines and so on So he comes to do the ordination At this time He's doing the ordination in st. Peter's Basilica my parents are with me My brother is in korea on on that infamous border now between north and south korea, right? He can't attend the ordination And archbishop o'brien is preaching and of course many Catholics might not know but the The promise of celibacy is actually made when you're a geek It's later confirmed as a priest, but it's actually made when you're a transitional deacon So the archbishop is talking about all the different promises prayer simplicity of life obedience and he gets to celibacy And he starts to describe a scene in battle Where a unit's under attack and a grenade comes You know right in the middle of the unit and one soldier without even thinking Jumps on the grenade and by Laying his body on the grenade literally laying down his life He saves his his comrade in arms And uh, and he says and the archbishop says and that is what celibacy is Like when the priest is willing to lay his life down to jump on the grenade so that others might live, right? And uh, I was moved by that example Later someone said to me There's all the parents sat up front for the ordination. They said He said hey, uh Kirby Like your dad was like really into this the homily, right? I was like really Yeah, my dad's attentive, but I wouldn't never say that he was really into a homily, right? And I'm like really and they're like, yeah, he's like hey, he was like shedding some real tears You know did not sound like my dad. I'm like, I think you got the wrong guy, right? So later I asked my dad. I said dad Were you moved by the homily, you know And you know he's going to take possession of his emotions even if he might be a little embarrassed by them And he said yeah, he said when an archbishop said Celibacy is laying down on the you know throwing yourself down on the grenade Because I was very moved, you know, and my mom told me like he was like my dad was just crying Because he finally hadn't clicked like why that's so essential The pre-simitation of Christ to lay down his life, you know, so Incidentally the archbishop found out about my brother You know, he actually sent a copy of the program and a letter to my brother Korea. Oh wow That was awesome, you know so Yeah, my family was like, you know, guess what? Um, your brother received the package from the archbishop and now they're probably asking for money But I glad that was just like you know, one of those general letters, you know, I mean like, you know And my mom said no, no, he he received a handwritten letter from the archbishop Saying that, you know, he was, uh, sorry that my brother couldn't be there. Um, but it's all you know I just thought that was a class act. That's awesome. Yeah But uh, but so the story uh in these the accounts of the priests In the book, I mean that's you know, that's what we're talking about And and as I tell that story I'm very inspired just to hear Whatever priest is called to and then the cd hero priest Play it out, you know, so So yeah, so we can dive into some of them if you want some of the more specifics But I just love books like this. I'm grateful to tan to publish books like this a lot of Catholic publishers won't You know, maybe it's not a large enough market or whatever the reason might be But I'm grateful that that this book Has seen a lot of day and the the viewers can read it And we talk about, you know movies that you could watch for your family or our superheroes or the avengers There's a book you can read to your kid probably and give them some, you know Because you know Catholic men, this is it's not webby. This is this is what man is We hear about guys like the kicker from the Kansas City Chiefs When he was in high school, he talked about a need to pretend as conversion story About maybe going to Islam because they were Nami They couldn't find that when he was growing up in high school There's a lot of what we lost in the last 20 30 40 50 years on just being a guy And yes, yeah, and we're not saying going out and starting a war is a guy thing But these guys they were they weren't they didn't start it, but they so that others may live Followed everyone else where their flock was going they needed to be there And as others chaplains would see the Protestants, they saw the heroic virtue out of all these guys Yes, yes, we used to speak in our spiritual tradition of a virile virtue And we said more popularly a manly virtue And and it's that virtue that When everything is off and all appears chaos That a person holds to what they know is right What they ultimately believe because real virtue doesn't rely on the state of affairs of this world Let the whole world burn because I know who I am. I know who I worship I know in whom I follow whom I trust to say Paul says And and I will remain true to myself And to what I know and what is true And that's what these men did these these Catholic chaplains You know in environments, we just cannot imagine You know the accounts of the chaplains of world war one when Poisonous gas is first introduced. They don't even know what it is People are just dying suffocating going blind. You know, I was a Catholic priest to start rallying the cause Take the ones who are suffering to the back. Let's organize it annoying the ones who are dying He gives general absolution to those that he can't minister to like he took charge Right. He was probably just as scared just as confused as everyone else, but he knew Who he was and he knew what was expected of him and he did it Right and that's across the board now. That's in every vocation. That's fatherhood in the family. That's motherhood in the family. That's Excuse me. It's being an employer You know like over an area of responsibility in the business world And that is in every life in every situation when people look and say well, I did that because I had You know a bad childhood. I did that because this person did this. I did that because These weren't the way things weren't the way that I thought Well, none of that is an excuse for vice none of that is excuse for omission. So I think that these priests model priestly virtue Manly virtue and I think that manly virtue could be imitated by all the faith So, I mean, it's like what we're called to be I think in particular Men, especially those who are called to be husbands and fathers. We call spiritual fathers as well Are especially to exemplify this, right? I love it our tradition. We say that you know that fatherhood one of the first tasks responsibilities of fatherhood Is to model virtue So a father in his family a spiritual father to his parish is to model virtue, right? So I will not give into preferences or Or passions I will not allow passing trends To strip what I know is right. I will hold the line So it's very important. We see our Catholic chaplain's doing that throughout this book And it's not a switch you just turn on so many of these guys they are living it from either early life Or growing it before they even got there obviously You just don't flip the switch and say all of a sudden I got a virtue, right? Right exactly the first example father whale and we are told about his outreach to the Anderson bill prison and who went and You know himself would say like I mean to smell alone like you know would provoke vomiting You know like you know all these thousands of hundreds of thousands of prisoners beyond what that person was built for And what does he do? He does what a priest is expected to do I mean he could use the minister like he just sucks it up, you know, I mean like just you know me Yeah, it stinks. Yeah, like this is terrible people are dying. They're emaciated But you are there he knew that he was there in order to do that That's just one example throughout the book, you know, we can also look at you know the world war two heroes, you know where they're just as as nervous or scared And yet they did what was what was expected what they're called their vocation demanded of them What were some of the stories that stuck out to you as your favorites? Like I said, most people know of father capel. I think that's pronounced his name, right? And capordano, but Maybe they don't maybe go can you go into a little bit more on them? Yeah, I think that you know For any catholic, they should definitely know the story of the catholic story of gettysburg with father corby who Of course, you know the the irish brigade and the irish brigade Was known for its fierceness and it was placed purposely in the worst possible environments Because they were irish and at the time immigrants and so well catholic immigrant Yeah, we don't really need them. We'll put them in the worst place possible So you find the most dangerous places in a battlefield and that's where the irish brigade would be And uh, and so during gettysburg the irish brigade was put in the worst possible situation They had already lost 2 000 men. They were down to around 500 And they were not allowed to recruit in order to get more men And they're putting this in just completely impossible situations So father corby gets up right before and famous stone Monument actually that that's still preserved it. They get his bird He gets up and all the men kneel and he gives general absolution to the men In what they know is going to be just a devastating battle And they all get up and see their absolution. He leads them He's with them as they begin to engage in battle They lose over 200 men to brigade is down to a little under 50 By the time the battle's done, right? So I just had a powerful see of this priest getting up and say hey We know this stinks We know what's about to happen, but you know what here's your absolution. You're good with god And let's like fight like Hades and and and do some good and and they did it and he was with them Where he should have been and I just I'm very moved by that That that sense of faith filled heroism Just to give a little more on how bad the irish was treated over here I remember reading a story about why is harlem predominantly black is because when the irish moved into that area I think it was manhattan He looked at them as ponsko the irish and anyone wouldn't have anything to do with it So they all moved out there to man to harlem They were nothing to do with the irish So that's just to give you guys a little more example of how bad people thought of the irish Yes, yeah, and even in my own state in charleston the irish were not allowed to live in charleston the city They had to live out of the barrier islands One of them was solvents island, which is funny because now this is like like prime real estate Right, you know, I'm recently witherspoon zones property out there and so on you know But back in the day the irish had to live on the island and they literally had to like, you know Canoe in you know, or boat themselves in to the city in order to serve as domestics To the homes of charleston So yeah, the irish were very available because of their of their irish status, but also because they were catholic I think that we've gotten so used to being accepted by american culture We forget how hard we had to fight like we earned our status in american society It wasn't a government program. It wasn't rallies. It wasn't destroying statues. It wasn't waging war against Our our new homeland. It was working hard showing our virtue It was showing people that hey, we hold what this nation holds dear in our own hearts And I think we can somebody forget that people read these histories and say wait a minute like well, like It was basically illegal to be a catholic priest in the colonies. Yes, and in the early states Catholic worship worship was unwelcomed and and and some places made extremely difficult and and and By extension practically illegal in many of our early states. Yes Georgia Yeah, right, right buffer to keep the catholics from going up the coast Yes, and then maryland's established mary's land supposedly for the catholics And only to have it turned on the catholic community and you know catholics become more persecuted in maryland So the stories go on but you know in terms of our catholic identity I think we have to know our history and to realize like, you know It was precisely this virtue that allowed us our place and in many respects. It was the heroism of Units like the irish brigade that showed america how committed Catholics and the irish immigrants were to the united states and even past that one was the san pretricios Down in the mexican wars Yes, absolutely. Which is great. You literally have a group of first catholics who established like the legion of saint patrick the patricios It means like the patricians right the patric people This is great, you know And uh, and they fight like hatties and they distinguish themselves. Which is why they recorded in history So the the list goes on just in terms of of the real catholic identity And that catholic fierceness. I'm very moved when I read these accounts and Hear about for example the the priest who goes he serves as a chaplain he comes back and then you know, he basically becomes the second founder of Notre Dame University because the original one had burned to the ground or the chaplain who goes out and serves He comes back and he's the founder of boston college And these chaplains these priests who create schools and orphanages and hospitals and universities like And and in large part they did that because they took our faith seriously They took their vocation seriously And they accomplished what anyone at that time would have thought was impossible And I really pray that as a church we begin to take ourselves more seriously Because I believe that god still has a great work for each of us and for our church And I look for the day when catholics begin to say there's a problem. Let's fix it So let's build orphanages. Let's build more homes for unwed mothers. Let's do like that real kind of fierceness That we have seen In those who were before us that I think in a lot of ways we've kind of become overly domesticated We've just gotten comfortable And I don't think that that's helpful for us or the mission of our church What's a cup on other stories from the book that really stuck out? Yes, so I think that um the one of course father duffy His statue is actually in time square And father duffy, of course, he goes out there in world war two He's there all on the you know the battle of the bold. She's he's all in these like massive battles and his life I think it was either his life or one of the other chaplains he worked with Was the impetus for the story saving the movie saving private buy and and of course he was friends Served alongside father o'neill who wrote the famous prayer the weather prayer of general patent that if you see the movie patent Is is described it doesn't identify the chaplain's a catholic priest because the catholic priest father o'neill but father duffy was kind of the leader kind of larger than life and Not only a chaplain among men, but a real man among chaplains and comes back to the united states because Because of his experience in battle They put him in the worst possible neighborhoods in new york like hell's kitchen And all this you know just the worst of the worst, you know, and he just completely turns the place around They said he patrolled his territorial parish as a police officer might patrol His territory right his his beat and uh, and he took it seriously and he brought about great reform This is why his statue is in time square I mean and again just in the battlefield and then that virtue and those tactics and that strategy And then bringing it back to the worst of neighborhoods In new york at the time and was able to bring about great reform and and human flourishing I think that you know those are models So he's one of those ones that it's kind of larger than life And if anyone ever goes to new york, especially catholics, you've got to go to time square And of course you have to make sure you get a statue a picture with the statue of father duffy Where's it near in time square? What area it's actually right in the center like I mean Yeah, so if you go right in the middle area, it's right there No, the reason why someone might miss it is because of the Amount of of people in the square But but look for it and you'll see it Incidentally, I know I was in time square once First we were only there for the the last week in yankee stadium, which If anybody knows that used to be on kfc property Knights of Columbus used to own that lamp for yankee stadium But yes, yes, and speaking of the knights And I'm grateful that they're they're highlighted in the book If it was out for the knights, we would not have had a catholic chaplaincy at world war one Because by the time we got to world war one as americans who were isolationists The majority of the country did not want to get involved into in a european battle When we were forced to to engage by the seeking of the lucitania Um, you know People weren't really thrilled the idea of having catholics or catholic priests in the military And really the catholic the knights columbus organized basically a volunteer brigade Of of clergy and the knights of columbus took care of their salaries and sent them out to war So yeah, the knights that's another fascinating history in terms of what they've been able to accomplish in the land They've owned and and the movements they've inspired and the things that they have underwritten Beautiful examples of kind of faith and tenacity. Oh, yeah, especially the christeros war. Uh, they were huge in that Yes, and most people realize we have under god in our pledge of allegiance because of the knights of columbus I think 1950 I think that'll happen That's right. Yeah, exactly. So so I mean powerful in the and you know the knights of columbus, that's just One step from saying the catholic church, I mean because their work, of course represents our faith So we have an adjustment to the pledge of allegiance under god because of the catholic church We have these various Movements of goodness because of the catholic church and its entities such as the knights of columbus Uh, another one out of the book So This is a good problem the problem is that there are So many positive ones Maybe this one can can help us In terms of our own struggle with with with venial sin That uh, phallocoupan in during the korean conflict One of our more recent ones and is a recipient of the medal of honor He talks He was in the POW council. He was there with his men just we've been Describing he's taken a prisoner as many priests throughout the book are recounted or are Become prisoners of war that shocked us a little bit to imagine a priest's prisoner of war, but it happened a lot and on this case other a copan is in the POW camp with his men and Selflessly serving organizing Networks of service and various other things doing all the stuff that we'd expect our priests to be doing But the accounts of the men afterwards they say whoo. He had a salty tongue, right? So Apparently, uh, he kind of had a a filthy mouth In a sense of um, you know bad language and stuff You know was using some profanity and so on And and I mentioned that first because it's in the book and I find it comical But in context, I suspect that if he had not used that type of language I don't know if he would have motivated the men Uh at the time so and I'm sure that you know, he struggled with venial sin as we all do And just I find it encouraging that someone who achieved such virtue and such holiness Shuggled with these these sins, you know, you can't know usually imagine that, you know That there was a saint to struggle with profanity But you know, I'm sure he had to motivate the men and he wasn't afraid to use a language that was needed to do it If anybody's already condemning him to the fourth round my hell You aren't in the POW camp with them either so Cut him a little bit of slack. I don't I don't don't play the judgment Don't play god Exactly. Is that and in particular because I I think we have never retrieved his body I think he's still one of the lost bodies of the korean conflict So I know that you know a couple years ago under um, president trump's Negotiation several bodies were returned. I thought a kipam was still not one of them So I still don't think we have his body from that that conflict. I did not know So he's a hero and I think that he And right of all that he suffered all the good he did. I think we can balance And say, you know what? Again, for me, I read it. I laughed. I thought that's kind of who kind of gives me hope, you know Because sometimes I might struggle. It's a bad language But um, but more importantly, I really think that he probably needed that language to rally the man I mean he was dealing with soldiers in You know Our environments that led to starvation, malnutrition and so and so anyway And I just thought that was an interesting fact. He wasn't hanging out of Toys R Us Right, right, right. Exactly. Right. It's kind of like one of our southern writers Catholic southern writers Walker Percy. He says that there's virtue for the trenches And there's virtue for the front porch No We have to make sure that you know the expression of our virtue like it does change Still the same virtue But we can express things one way and when we're sitting on the front porch see, you know sipping iced tea And we express that virtue very differently when the trenches and their bombs being blown up over our heads So I think we can appreciate that Yeah, it's kind of like how we treat everyone coming back from vietnam. I mean, yeah, there was some terrible things That happened out there, but my dad burnt all his uniform because he got tired people spitting on him Things like that Yes, we have I have one jacket from that from his time out there and that's it He never want to talk about it People were asked about going hunting. He would kill that conversation quick by saying once you do human Animals, isn't that much fun? I usually went Nobody thinks that they'd look at the movies how glorified everything is Yes, yes, they say war is hell for a reason, right? Exactly, exactly. That was boys. I think general Sherman said that war is hell So, you know, and and it is like that. We of course, we only have accounts of Of it and I can't imagine and and you know, those are the moments where it's easy to saying early to sit and judge You know people in the moment But you know understanding and trying to appreciate the state of affairs You know, we say even in our moral tradition, even if there was a more evil All those state of affairs can certainly mitigate it mitigate the guilt, you know If there was an evil because we just can't imagine It is a hell on earth Father any final thoughts on the book besides go out and get it Well, I would say that if we could in memory of the author say that, you know, this was one of the last books he wrote You know He's a bad health And it says a lot to someone who knows that his health is not good And yet of all the things you could write and the legacy that he could lead He chose to allow this book Let's be one of his last and I think that says a lot in terms of his dedication to our faith and to the priesthood And I think that speaks I hope it speaks volumes to us in terms of how important this book is in this message Yeah, amen to that. Yes, uh, again, these are real superheroes of the church Uh Volunteer they didn't I don't think they got drafted. They voluntarily go don't they? That's right. Exactly Yeah, so I mean there you go. I mean you got captain america. These are real captain americas Amen, father appreciate your time Thanks, Steve. Take care. Appreciate it