 We're here with social engineer Veronica Belmont. Oh Man she engineers social things. Yeah, I do ice cream. Oh Wish I had some ice cream. I do have ice cream. I can't eat that can give me heartburn What I have state of affairs Mike. I told you about my gird already everything You did wasn't trying to make you go into that again. I apologize. It's okay I'm just realized that not being able to eat ice cream is a horrible state of affairs I have a couple bites at night And uh, it's not the best I Am told genetically I'm lactose intolerant. Really? Yeah, that's interesting. Mm-hmm, but also 43 scandinavian That's right That was unexpected. Yeah I don't know why it was unexpected a lot of cheese up there. I don't understand that either. Hmm Should I buy the black black Birkenstocks? I feel like it's free We're two minutes away from starting the show if you buy the black Birkenstocks now you may regret it I might regret it still be there after the show. You don't know that sometimes they say there's only like two or three Pears left and then you have to make you rush into buying Well, it's working because I'm about to hit proceed to check out Mm-hmm. So you're just gonna go for it. All right, I should buy two sizes. Maybe you should buy um Yeah, because you could it's free return with zappos, right? Yeah Yeah, why not? Hack their system Oh, you're at it. I should out there hacking systems. That's a lot of money though Well, you get it back Eventually you're floating it out there though. They're gonna make interest off that money Hmm That's troubling Should I buy another color should I buy three by the way they're requesting bellbot in the chat room? Okay She hasn't been active in a while. So who knows what she'll be saying Well, I mean I haven't checked on her in a while. So anything's possible. Oh, yeah, she might be active. You don't know She might she might not be available She's busy doing other things. Yeah, she's out of town All right, lady learning more portuguese I Or see I see that Bell bots headed into the chat room ladies and gentlemen Okay There she is Oh, why am I I think I think people like her more than me Uh, she's just novel I don't know why she's not responding to anybody She's sulky Yeah, she's just like screw you guys. That's weird. Yeah, she's never done that before Oh, there she is Oh now she's okay now she's Oh, no, it's all happening at once for you. Hey yourself. Do you dream of electric sheep? Here we go. All right. Yeah, now the good stuff. Right. She's just being a little slow today She needed her coffee. Yeah. Yeah, she needed to get rolling. Oh interesting Shall we go? Let's do it. Tom's wife works for youtube So knowledgeable. All right, here we go This is the daily tech news show. Tom's birthday is at the end of this month So why don't you get him what I got him? $12 to donate a dollar a month to dtns. Go to patreon.com slash dtns Happy birthday, tom This is the daily tech news for monday june 6 2016 i'm tom erin joining me today Ms. Veronica Belmont is back on the show and we are gonna talk passwords. She knows all your passwords I wish Actually, you probably could know Disturbing number of people's passwords given the stories we have today It's true. I mean if people can guess mark zuckerberg's twitter password anything's possible His passwords are terrible. Da. Da. Da What We'll get into that in a little bit. We're going to talk about some some of our favorite Tips for making sure you have secure accounts. We'd love to hear some of yours. Let's start off with the headlines Xbox one's gonna get cortana integration this summer changing the voice activation From the xbox connect activation, which pretty much is limited to like say these words on the screen To the cortana trigger first of all you have to say hey, and then you know the word that you have to say And that brings with it some more natural language You can just say like hey, can you play? Overwatch except it's not available for the well. No, it is on xbox. I only have it on the ps4 So yeah, you could say play overwatch and it would it would be able to go find it really easily Uh microsoft is primarily focused on getting it working with game functionality But it can bring along your history and or cortana notebook from other machines And they say it'll should work with bing and other things like that other improvements in The operating system of the xbox one will include simpler game library navigation Universal app support and integration of pc gaming Into your social stream preview version rolls out this week if you're in the preview club And the final version is part of the whole windows anniversary edition coming later this summer That's exciting. I have been very bad about using cortana on my windows pc I never never use it. Do you do you use it on your on your gaming machine? I don't use it. Well on my gaming machine. Um, you mean on my windows machine? Yes, I guess because I guess that could be a non gaming machine I have a non gaming windows machine that I actually use cortana on much more often than I do on my gaming machine My gaming machine. I never use cortana. I just launch whatever, you know steam or whatever blizzard um battle net On my non gaming windows laptop though, I do use cortana a lot but for text I almost never use the voice search Yeah, I also I do use it for text and I get annoyed because it still pops up and says like do you want to Use cortana with your speech stuff and I'm like, no, leave me alone Um, but I think this is good because I xbox really was one of the first products that had decent speech And voice recognition. Um, so I think it makes total sense that cortana will be the voice of xbox in the very near future Um, but yeah xbox has done a pretty good job with that in the past I think they were one of the real forerunners in that category They have my wife who has an irrational hatred of Alexa For some reason I don't I think she just thinks it's funny to pretend that she doesn't like her But uh, she loves the xbox and so she she uses that voice activation all the time I asked her today. I was like, well, you know, it's going to switch to cortana. Are you going to be okay with that? She's like, oh, yeah, cortana seems cool. Oh my gosh And the natural language aspect of it is going to make a lot of the things you do so much easier on the xbox So much Alexa hate Ryan hates Alexa too. Really? Yeah, I love Alexa. She's my favorite person We should really we got a complaint about this last week. We should really stop saying her name too much because it does in fact set it off Didn't we have that problem back in the buzz out loud days with something? There was something like that. Yeah We're like serious. Yeah, serious. Yeah, the usual Anyway, moving on more microsoft news microsoft launched a project management tool called office 365 planner today Rolling out to enterprise business essentials premium and education plans It lets you set due dates use visual dashboards share files chat and send email notifications Planner is meant for teams while microsoft project is meant for managing a portfolio of different projects Some of which might be using planner to organize themselves New features coming in the next few months to planner include external user access and android ios and windows apps Yeah, so that probably went over a lot of people's heads But but essentially if you're a project manager working on a team you want planner If you're like a middle manager or executive Overlooking a bunch of different projects. You want microsoft project Does that kind of make it make sense? Planner is meant for teams while microsoft project is meant for managing a portfolio of different projects Some of which might be using planner, right? Sure. Maybe maybe not. They might be using evernote. Who knows? But yeah, this microsoft planner thing sounds. I mean you you're into the planning Does this sound like something you'd want to give a shot? I have other tools that I use for that kind of stuff So, you know, i'm not i'm not wrapped up into the world of microsoft 365 Perhaps if I get into a job where they are using that that would be very useful Or maybe it'll be the thing that makes me try it out. But you know, who knows? It is interesting This is the first time i've seen something that I was even marginally interested in that has showed up on office 365 Where i'm like, oh, there's i'm already paying for this and now i've got this new thing as part of the suite Which is kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah, I mean microsoft is good at this kind of stuff So i'm i'm excited to to test it out at some point T mobile announced today it will give the primary account holder of each of its post paid accounts That's the one where you just pay every month not prepaid accounts A single share of t mobile usa stock You can also get a free share of stock for each person you refer who signs up for the service To a maximum of 100 shares per year and subscribers who've been with the company five years or more get two shares per referral T mobile also introduced a new app called t mobile tuesdays That gives away pizza Things tickets to see warcraft the movie and stuff like that. Yeah T mobile Says that they will have new things to give away every tuesday apparently you have to go to the store To pick them up. I'm interested to see how that works They also said they will expand their free text messaging to include iMessage google hangouts What's happened viber and customers can now get one free hour of wi-fi on domestic flights with gogo service Hmm. Well, that's a lot of very different things granted one little news story And i am fascinated by this you get to have shares of t mobile like i i don't What is the end game here? Is it to make people feel invested in the Somehow, I mean would people even think about that do people even care to be shareholders? I don't know I i'm curious about it too. It's only one share the vast majority of people Are going to get their one share they might not ever even claim it because they're like I don't I don't I don't own shares Yeah, one share is a ridiculously small portion of of anything I think right now one of those shares is worth around 40 bucks. So it ain't nothing You can just you could just go sign on and sell it by the way You can go on and there's a third-party company brokerage firm that's handling it They don't give you an account. They're not trying to trick you into joining the brokerage firm All they'll do is say you can transfer this to another brokerage Or you can sell it And so I think a lot of people just sell it take the cash Which is interesting, but also when I first saw this I thought oh, so team mobile issues issues a bunch of like class A shares or something you know saves money. No, they're buying these on the open market. They're not issuing new shares I'm kind of baffled. I I'm also kind of excited To see Yeah, I and also it's cool that you can get the get prizes Yeah, the free stuff. It's like I mean it is at least more simpler than loyalty programs from like Verizon or AT&T or others, but AT&T doesn't give me diddly squat Oh, they have a loyalty thing, but you have to do they jump through a bunch of hoops. Yeah I don't remember what all the hoops are. They're literally hoops. I keep to go to their store They pull out hoops. It's embarrassing. Why would you do that? That's ridiculous. I may have that wrong I'm not sure All right, uh blizzard and facebook announced a partnership to integrate facebook live into all blizzard games A facebook login option is also being added to all blizzard's pc titles. The facebook integration should be in place later this month So uh big big get for facebook live for sure. Yes. Um, so does this mean you're going to be able to stream Gaming to facebook live. Is that what that means? All blizzard games You'll be able to stream to facebook live at the touch of a button You do have to integrate your account which is like what is going on? Yeah, that cannot be a happy news Uh situation for a company like twitch or or youtube gaming No, that's uh, that's a big plan from behind. Yeah speaking of the aforementioned wife who works there Uh, but yeah, this is I mean facebook live when it first launched a lot of people thought wow It's a me too periscope And it has done a good job of finding celebrities to back it Finding Important events like major soccer games to stream on it like the game thrones season. Yeah, they did. Yeah, totally Uh, and and now every blizzard game. I mean you could still stream blizzard on twitch and elsewhere But with with one button boom Yeah, good for them. Yeah Ars technicus dan gooden interviewed team viewer spokesman axl schmitz sunday about the continuing Accusations that team viewer accounts have been compromised team viewer doesn't dispute that the accounts are being compromised. They just say it's not their fault It's not their network They maintain the majority of the accounts are compromised because of other password leaks You know, there's been in the tumblr leak and the linkedin leak Uh, and they say people use weak passwords in general that could be a part of this too Team viewer complains that people saying they had two factor authentication and still got hacked have not shared their logs with them They say there's we have no other evidence of two factor compromise But if somebody has been compromised and had two factor, we we definitely want to see those logs to figure out what's going on Uh schmitz also apologized for using the phrase careless use In team viewer's initial response to this issue, which inflamed a lot of folks who were like that's a victim blaming I had a fine password and I got hacked. Uh, and and one thing it's in this article too that I thought was interesting team viewer on the enterprise level Can manage a bunch of different accounts and then each employee just uses a pin and an id To get into the account and the team viewer pointed out if that master account gets Hacked somehow and somebody guesses the password or finds the password Then they can get into all the machines that are under that and that could be causing problems for some people who are like Wait a minute. I had a strong password and I still got hacked. Yeah, that that's problematic That's probably one of the reasons why some companies don't do a master password for for those kinds of logins You know one of the reasons slack probably hasn't done a master login for all your different slack channels Because if that becomes compromised and that could cause a real issue across the board for many different companies Um, depending on what you're what you're connected to so yeah, well, we'll talk more about passwords in the very near future Yeah, for sure Netflix announced its first indian original series will be sacred games based on the 2006 best-selling novel from vikram shandra about india's criminal underworld It will be shot in india and produced in collaboration with phantom films Yeah, they they keep the hits keep on coming. There's there's a original in france now There's amazon's doing some originals in japan And of course netflix moving into india that where they're kind of high priced compared to other services there But they they want to differentiate themselves with with local content Uh, it it is becoming impossible To keep up with netflix originals remember when it was like oh house of cards. I watched that I got to wait a couple months for orange is the new black before I get right like they're just constantly Adding new originals because they've got the whole world now My biggest problem is remembering which original content is coming from where so I when I try to go find Find the show that I want to watch I'm like wait. Is that netflix? Is that amazon? Is that where? Where is that hbo go or now? Where do what where do I find this thing? We need a universal search, but I guess something like xbox probably handles that or tvo Yeah, they all I mean roku has their own version of that see apple has that their own version of that now I actually use uh just watch Which covers Loads more than the built-in searches on the devices and you can get an app for that And then I use side reel to actually keep track of shows that I know where to watch them But I don't know when they're coming back, right? Like sometimes it lets you know when a new season exactly comes up. That's nice. Yeah good feature just watching side reel those are my two television management apps Because I have to manage the television that I watched you need a project manager. I know television shows Uh, finally attackers gained access to mark zuckerberg's Pinterest and twitter accounts. They claimed They got the passwords from linkedin's 2012 password breach. So apparently they got access to his linkedin account too Uh and gadget only had visual evidence that they did go into face Pinterest and twitter The attackers claimed they had instagram access too But facebook says instagram and facebook accounts were safe Zuckerberg has not used any of the affected accounts in many years The attackers said that the password used to gate entry was d-a-d-a-d-a Da-da-da Before before we get into talking about passwords in general Do you think it was around the time that song was popular? It has to be. Yeah, that is just incredibly Careless about his password searching still still there was a time In the 90s when I would use the same password on every throwaway thing Like I would definitely not use it on my email, but if I was just signing up for some new service like geo cities back then Or angel fire. I I might just use the same password So it was easy to remember and of course as the internet got more populated that became a really bad idea And I stopped doing that Do you believe that mark zuckerberg was doing that in the mid 2000s? I mean he stopped using twitter and stuff a long time ago So he obviously forgot that these accounts even had this password I mean, I think that the big story here is that mark zuckerberg is on linkedin, which I find phenomenal Because why would he need to be on linkedin? But but beside that point like back in the day, maybe he did. I don't know. He certainly could have been It could have been an assistant setting up an account for him It could have been there's so many reasons why this could have happened He could have just been careless I like to think that one of the creators of like the largest social network in the world Is a little more careful about, you know, password and security safety But People can be lazy sometimes. I mean, yeah, same thing for me I I did a six letter password for a good portion of my young internet days And once in a while, I'll come across it again and be like, what was I thinking like that's insane Yeah, and you don't make that mistake again, but yeah, there's there's no good excuse really Unless it was someone else setting up these accounts for him and just being dumb about it Let's think about it though. Let's linkedin around 2007 twitter around 2007. I don't know about instagram though 2006 Instagram was much later came comes along much later. So that kind of throws a wrench in my theory But I'm thinking in the early days of facebook. He goes and creates a linkedin account So you can poke around linkedin and see what they're doing And say like, okay, what are there any features we need to copy here probably does the same thing with twitter So maybe throw away and yeah, just yeah, and he's like, I'm never gonna really post much here I'm not worried about it. If somebody gets in here. So I'm just not gonna bother which is that to me That's a bad approach because you never know what that account's gonna do later Right and this is an example of that and and to be fair They crack down on this very fast and they pulled down the the The defaced tweets and and pins which which as these things go, we're not that bad. They were not horrible Yeah, could have been worse. Yeah, could have been much worse Um, and I'm sure they had some help from from the people at linkedin and from the people at pinterest I'm sure that's something they were on top of pretty quickly But when did chat room the chat the password was not bellbot. Good guess though The oh back of the day your password. Uh, yeah, let's not play that game But I'm trying to figure out like When did Pinterest launch Because that tells you the latest time that he was using this password and I can't think maybe it wasn't da-da-da I don't know, but I can't think of any other reason Why they would be able to get into these accounts unless he was using the same password that was in that linkedin database Pinterest launched march 2010. So as as recently as six years ago. He was doing that. Hmm. Yeah, that's that's weird You must have just considered throw away like we said. Yeah No other explanation Well, we're gonna talk a little bit about, uh, what we should do what all of us should do We know you have a secure account. We're not worried about you, but you obviously have a friend His name is mark Zuckerberg You may have connected with him in linkedin on linkedin in the past Yeah, and you need to you need to help your friend out to get a more secure password Uh, but big thanks to cleat teaglass 1976 another j martin steeve iow cat and kipper and more For submitting stories on our sub reddit. Uh, in fact, prince boot submitted that steam blizzard using Facebook live or stream blizzard using facebook live Go to our Subreddit daily tech news show reddit.com and at the very least do some voting join the more than 6000 people in there Helping us make a better show every day daily tech news show reddit.com. That is a look at the headlines All right, so I went around I have my own things that I follow For for trying to make sure that i'm a step ahead. I don't consider it securing accounts I consider it like trying to be a step ahead Uh of people putting in speed bumps, uh, but I looked around apples got some recommendations google's got some recommendations last pass Has some recommendations, uh, and there are certainly some things that are common Like unique passwords for each account. I mean, how many times do we need to say that? Don't use the same password on every account and I bet there's people out there's right now still doing it, right? It's you know, it's it's for them It's easier and and and for them I say then you need to get something like one password or last pass or key pass or dash lane Something that can keep track of all of these unique passwords So you can just pull them up at the touch of a button and have it available to you I don't know any of my passwords anymore. I don't know my password for instagram I don't know my password for twitter. I don't know any of my email passwords Because they're so long. It's so complicated that there's no way I would memorize them And that's good for me so no one can get it through me through torture No, it's exactly don't could tie to you to a folding chair in a basement somewhere, right? And compel you to give them your password On the other hand people say well, wait a minute that makes an awfully big target One place has all your passwords last pass in one password particularly. I don't know as much about dash lane Have both been vetted fairly well by security communities they you more differentiate them based on Whether you like the decentralized nature of last pass and the cross site compatibility Cross-platform compatibility or the more centralized nature of one password But if you're really worried about that key pass is the one you want to use Key pass is the one that says you are the only one who stores your passwords And they aren't on a central server somewhere. They're only on your machine Well, for me, but it's a lower surface attack area The way that I use one password is is that my all of my data is in a on a file On dropbox protected by two factor authentication and behind an extra password wall So it's you know, it's not impossible, but it's it's About as good as you can get uh for for a lot of this stuff And it really just does make the the the damage that happens when for example, linkedin Gets, you know hacked for the millionth time and all your your linkedin password is is out there if it's not hashed And so being able to to know that you only have to go in and change that one password as opposed to every password That's associated with that email address Online is is is a lot more peace of mind Yeah, uh, and you mentioned two factor authentication Not every account you have is going to offer that but everyone that does you should turn it on And you should absolutely have two factor authentication protecting your password list. However, you store it Because that's that's going to keep it secure and two step authentication is okay If that's all they have then take it, but you really would like full on two factor authentication. I know apple Provides two factor authentication and two step authentication. You got to see if you can get two factor authentication And and well for I you know, what is what is the difference there? Well two step Is is usually like I'm all just email you and make sure and it's like well if somebody compromised your email, right? That's not really a you want a second factor something you have something, you know, right? And that way it's not easy to get the second factor um Keep yourself up to date too now more than ever because That is one of the ways that things can get corrupted and team viewer has pulled away from Accusing people of this so it may not have been happening with that but a lot of times People will download software from Unauthorized sources and I'm not even talking bit torrent although that could be one of them But just going to a third-party site that looks legit and downloading a piece of software that has malware in it by accident always try to get it directly from The people who make it or the actual open source projects page with a checksum that you can verify that you're actually getting the right piece of software and I think a um Big one too is to avoid phishing scams That's something that you know happens to a lot of people If you get an email from an ebay or from an amazon or from instagram saying hey You know you need to change your password click on this link You know either there's going to be a keylogger at the other end of that like saying what your password is when you're entering in your old Password or it's a completely fake website. You know there's there's so many potential Things that can go wrong with that scenario So it's always better to just go to the website itself Log in there and then see if you need to change your password. Yeah, because some of the nastier ones They can appear to be your bank appear to be your bank's login page and then they go to the trouble of logging you into your bank website So you're like, oh, well it worked. I'm in my bank website But they've stolen your password and then the next thing, you know, they're also in your bank website As well as you so, you know Uh There's some other things that I saw people saying like don't answer security questions with facts Uh, because remember if your password is only protected by security questions All someone has to do is say I forgot my password and I'm like What was your middle name and then they go and they look at your facebook page and find out that you said Oh, my middle name's jone and then boom. So you you don't want to use that kind of information Granted, even if you're not someone who has a wikipedia page about you There's so much sharing out there sometimes not from you, right? Yeah, it's like somebody else Oh, yeah, my friend's hometown is greenville and then that's your security information boom that's they can now get around it um Another one that I do often and recommend quite frequently is going into twitter or facebook And checking out which sites are connected Through those logins because you can use those sites to to sign up for a lot of different external services And sometimes if you don't disconnect them they can be problematic W. Scottus one says I even go to the to the To the point of googling a site rather than typing it in that way I don't make sure that I don't make a mistake in typing it That's intense. Yeah, go to go to like a domain squatter. Yeah Yeah, close unused accounts is probably good practice Don't store information if you don't have to like it's really easy to store your credit card information I get that And I'm not saying that you know, I don't have it stored in a couple of places that are protected by two-factor authentication But if you're at some website, you're like, oh, I'm only shopping here once don't store the credit card information Exactly. Yeah, social engineering is a big one. Um people are there's been a google two-factor authentication attack going around that um That a kv 87 posted in the chat room. I had seen this last weekend actually They send you a text message With your email address and from an ip address and where it came from And then you have to put in a code that they send you after and it's just you get your your google stuff stolen And that's nasty. That's like that's the worst-case scenario I mean if you're if you're google stuff if you don't have two-factor authentication on your google account span That is a nightmare scenario that happened. That was one of the things that happened to matt honan You know, he his his google stuff got hacked and once that goes that's tied into everything And you really need to make sure that if someone asks for anything from you That you know why you're getting it. I actually got an email from my bank the other day And there was a link in it. It's like click here to log in. I'm like you should do that bank Yeah, no, and I'm like and I'm not doing it But that is the way and and it was a legitimate email This was not a phishing scam email, but they it's a bad practice because it gets people used to like Oh, well, is it the email from a bank? I'll just click here and that's that's how phishing scams happen a lot So make sure you're on the real site never click links in email Don't download anything that you're not absolutely sure you know why you're downloading it If something starts to download suddenly go wait a minute And anytime anyone asks you for your password for something be skeptical I got a support ticket about a stats log page from my web host the other day and the guy's like Well, I can't really see your your stats log. So can you give me your password? I'm like, no No, no, I'm going no that you shouldn't ask that. No, what's wrong with you? Yeah So anyway, uh, I guess the other things are set up account recovery You can do that with a lot of places like google for instance, so that if it does get hacked you have a way to get it back You're a honey pot. Yeah. Yeah and back up your data Mm-hmm. Don't try this public wi-fi. Oh and how many times have you had somebody go? Can you watch my computer? I think that happened at the airport the other day. Really? Yeah, and I I was like I I'm not want to be preachy. So yes, I will watch your computer because I know I'm not going to do anything bad Do it but don't ask other people to do that. You really shouldn't do that Yeah, uh, yeah, I've been bad with the connecting to public wi-fi ones, uh overseas Because I'm not on data. And so I'm looking for wi-fi spots and I'm a target in that situation Like that's a bad idea. I should not get a vpn Yeah Viper vpn is one of my favorites. There's there's a few good ones out there Well, uh, we know we haven't covered all of them But we think these are some of the more important ones for you to tell your friends, right? And uh, let us know if you've got your your own ways of keeping things checking to see if you're secure How good your firewall is? I know some people say things like turn off your router if you're going on vacation Why leave it open, you know and make it at a tax surface? 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They're nice and clacky Yeah, good clackiness the silent ones are Silent relation in relation to their own clacky ones We would not call them silent related to other silent keyboards though because it's still actuated Right, send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more picks a daily tech news show dot com slash picks keep coming Uh, a few messages to get through before we're out of here in the buzz letter department We were trying to determine I think justin robber young was the one who asked like okay We went from e to i as our buzz prefix What's next alan suggests v as in vr if vr takes off He says I think we will have v games v sports v tourism v classes v diagnosis V space exploration and more it may actually be referring to ar as much as vr since ar isn't getting the buzz that vr is getting But people will easily conflate the two Looking forward to hear what you have to say on the analyst call by the way Which we are going to have an analyst call coming up next week from this friday So keep your eye out on the patreon for that. But yeah, well, I I mean you are a v I am I'm in I think this is great. I think that's really clever I'm gonna use that I kind of like is right Don't you think he's right like I think he's right. I could totally see people because When we got hd makeup, I laughed right because it was like oh god, I just call everything hd And and granted there was a reason for that's like oh if you're using an hd camera This is the makeup you need to use I get that but there was blu-ray makeup too Like everybody likes to grab a buzzword and I think v I could totally see Oh, it's v sports because we're in virtual. It sounds good. It works And then tom from something something weather kansas Uh, he was out of weather. I guess says i'm a bit behind but I have Comment about the conversation you and patrick had about buzzwords one buzzword that I both think and hope will fade away Is internet of things even before this term? I had many things connected to the internet desktop laptop phone tablet gaming console set top box Why is it that we need a new term now that this list might contain light bulbs doorbells or the echo What sets those devices apart from the things I already had on my network before the new buzzword? Veronica I I know I know I get it It isn't it is a bit of an industry It's easy to wrap up those things, you know can people are saying, you know connected home Uh, but that doesn't really encompass everything that's out there So internet of things kinds of kind of it's a very broad term at this point Um, and it's it's hard to use as a descriptor right you can say mobile devices It's really hard. It's really clunky to say internet of things. Well, people say people say iot so sure It's a little easier. I have a theory. My theory is that we were saying. Oh, well, there's uh, There are desktop devices and then there are laptop devices Then there are mobile devices, but now we have these other connected We have all kinds of things that are connecting and I think connected devices is better personally I think for for referring to those kinds of stuff Um, I just think I'm like saying like a connected refrigerator Or connected microwave like you know what that means. It's just it's a it's a little easier V connect V connect Oh god so many buzzwords I like connectables actually connectables is fun makes me hungry though like lunchables All right, we have another email from john and unsurprisingly sunny southern california who says hey tom The discussion in episode 2776 about the conversational web really got me thinking i'm a web developer now But in a previous life i worked in ivr applications If you don't know what those are they're the apps you connect to over the phone when you when you call customer service For example and a robot answers Interactive voice response coming from this uh perspective the shift to conversation on the web seems pretty natural The apps I worked on use a standard called voice xml that could be easily incorporated into a web application In the same way that accessibility concerns are addressed for screen readers and the like One could imagine services like alexa becoming a sort of conversational browser with which voice enabled sites could be accessed Uh, it sure would be an improvement over the alexa skills model as having to install a skill to use something as one off As a spoken command is pretty silly come to think about it Maybe this could replace or augment the way we access Existing ivr apps alexa pay my mortgage just a thought I think you just actually paid somebody's mortgage out there. Yeah by reading that. That's perfect mine. In fact, thank you Well done. Um, but this is so many mortgages. This brings up a point too about how bad that alexa's store is the uh the skills store is just ferocious So bad, uh, but anyway, I like that. I like I You mean the organization of it not the contents because it's got some really cool stuff, but it's possible to page through these days No, it's not even categorized. It doesn't make any sense. Anyway Yes, it is just natural that we are going this way. Yeah, and I think you're right. I think you know, I remember reading an article in Scientific American in like 1999 About this one mit phone number that was testing out voice response And you could call and you could talk to it and it would understand what you said And it was like that's amazing and these days every place you call If if they don't have voice response, you're like, oh no budget for the for the better system, huh? Like haven't updated your system in a while. 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Yeah, it's not switching to you when you talk That's weird But I haven't done anything. There was a moment where the video for me froze and like dropped out So I wonder if something happened when that happened. There was some like glitch There I selected Veronica now you have to look at her. I but I don't even see it on your page. That's oh Look who needs a haircut. Oh boy getting a haircut on thursday I'm just gonna stare at you all Hello, I'm Veronica. I'm v. Veronica It's your new buzzword I'm a human buzzword That's a good conversation. I enjoyed that. Yeah I'm thinking of tips and tricks to keep yourself safe Keep yourself safe Yep, it was almost like a how-to not quite Yeah, well it felt a little tech-so-lish. I gotta say yeah Dan use that word good times Good time. Good memories Good times great I can't sing that. Sorry. So we have a special report from philip shane that's in the treasure chest that he very kindly went and collected at the I want to get the name of the conference right um At the kill screen audio event It's 14 minutes long Should I put it at the end of the audio podcast because it's really good? Or should I just leave it in the treasure chest? Um, I gosh, I don't know. We're on air. I don't really know how to make you're an audio engineer Um, 14 minutes is not that long in the grand scheme of things And yeah, and the and today's show was what today's was 36 So we didn't we're actually a little under our normal 40. So we've got some room. All right. I'm gonna put it in the wiggle room Yeah, do it Time to get wiggly. Oh, yeah showbot. That's right Oh, yeah, I don't know what happened to bellbot. She just like bounced She just took off she just took off. Yeah, she's like, uh, mom It's hard of this. Oh, I like do do do Do do do Doh doh she's on. Yeah. Yeah got it. That's funny. That's nice Mark my passwords. That's clever Or yeah, nobody put it. Well, we had da da da I think that's pretty good too Da da da Um Hates alexa. It's probably overstating it. It's alexa not alexia That helps us to avoid you just kept saying it too. Even after a mic. We need to stop sending it off. You're like, I don't know Yeah, I don't care It's okay. Yeah, I'm I'm a fan of one of yeah either Doh doh doh or da da da Da da da is in the lead now Do you have a preference? I don't I don't think I do Da do I'm gonna need it though. I'm gonna need to pick one here in a second So just pick da da da Okay Da da da Duh I feel bad for strike it rich though. He had he had two in the lead and I picked the one that was not his Out of three That's what happens in a dictator ship. Yeah So we're gonna go with Da da da da I think I'm gonna have to capitalize those d's though Do whatever you feel the best about I will support you. Thank you Your decisions. I appreciate that beyond your comprehension All right Exporting Oh and howls a bit of that cool. What else got planned today? Just go into the doctor Regular regular old doctor thing. Yeah, just for the heart for the gurdy gurdy. Gerd. What is that? What is that word? Gerd is Hold on. What does it stand for? Oh, I'm a gird It all right. Good. Do you have heartburn stands for gastroesophageal reflux disease? Oh, got it. It's the real deal reflux Yeah So I get um I make too much my stuff. I think it's my stomach makes too much bile And then it turns into acid And it hurts my chest. I haven't knew that for years Veronica. It gives me a sore throat and it gives me a headache too much bile There's so much bile in my life. I know I'm sorry. It's okay It's it really flared up when I got back from montenegro and it just hasn't gotten better And I'm out of the medicine and the medicine wasn't really helping so I'm hoping they can give me something better So we'll see Fun times Well, I'm gonna do cord killers Good for you. Good for me We're gonna talk about killing cords with fire Fun brian eats fire He does I have he taught me how to eat fire I watched him teach people how to eat fire, but I didn't try it Did you have you seen the one where I ate fire? Yes, I have it's pretty great I sinned I did sin a little bit on my upper lip. Yeah when I did it Like it didn't show it just felt like it tingled for like And like the rest of the day like it like yeah Just like did you mention this to the doctor? That was so many years ago surely You still can't caught down there like maybe just to Flame it away. It's just like a live flame like inside the body. Well, here's your problem Well, you shouldn't have swallowed that fire idiot. You've had a fire burning in your stomach for six years Yeah I sold brian beforehand. I was like listen, man. This can't go wrong. You got to protect the money maker Like I can't go on can't burn my face off Not in the face not in the face not in the face as they say That's why I only do fire shakes Yes, Ralph. I've seen last night's game of thrones I've seen all the games you see last night's giants cardinals game No, I didn't I didn't tom I listened to it Yeah, all right. Good for you. Good for you guys. Good for you It's a good team. It's a good team tom. I hope to see you once again in the championship I do too. That would be marvelous I would like to get some of your I have no ice cream. I hope it's the name of your ice cream again. Ted Drew's frozen custard Yeah, I sure ate a lot of that. It's good. It's good stuff It was good If I had money to throw away, I would buy myself some Yeah, not that much. You don't need nobody needs that much No I think I gained 10 pound after baseball season just Yeah frozen frozen custard Also thought it was hilarious that I just bought you a bunch of the frisco flavor as a joke because frisco and then you're like It's actually pretty good. Yeah, I liked that one Like I don't think I'd ever had it. So I liked the cherry one a lot too Oh, yeah, that's the cherry one was good. The chocolate one was good The frisco was not my favorite, but it was okay. Yeah, I'd never had it I was just like there's too much too much fruit in it Yeah Oh, is that the joke? Yep, did you just get it? That's the joke. That's the joke. That's not nice What? calling Calling it frisco because there's fruit in it That's not nice That's what it was Oh my god, I can't believe it took me I believe it might have It did not have nuts in it. It did not have any It took me two years to get that joke Custard anyway It was delicious I think Humphrey silk comes probably still better though. So You better hope we lose ice cream. Like are we gonna do the same gentleman's bet this year? If they Delicious bet the delicious bet, yeah I might make uh Kind of expensive to ship it from I guess it's just as expensive to ship it. Yeah, of course it would be just as expensive to ship it Can I do like sweet lucies down here? Oh, sure. Whatever do whatever you want But I don't know that that actually saves money I'll just send less. That's all. Yeah, you don't need to send you sent too much. It was too much I don't remember why but I don't think it was the minimum order But I don't think it was more expensive shipping wise to send more or something. I don't yeah, you're like, oh, why not? Might as well have them enough for the next six years I was like, I'll show you I'll eat it all in three months Ha ha I foiled land I did not make it worth your while money wise It did not last So there that'll show you. Yeah All right I'm almost uploaded cool Cool Yeah, I uh, I told the people on patreon. I'm gonna put out the headlines show starting in july I recorded a sample version today. Oh neat It actually does free up my day a little bit. I'll do it that way. That's good. Yeah Oh, all right Uh, here we go instacart waffle off because it's like can I can you just instacart it like from st Louis to san francisco? I don't think you can. No, I don't think it works that way All right. Well, thanks everybody for watching Have a lovely day and we will see you on the morrow with patrick beija a very sleepy patrick beija Fair the well