 And we're live we were probably live there for a couple seconds before I noticed hey everybody we are in Orlando and We have got a packed room as you can see that we even have a lot of studio audience We do although the normally the live studio audience is in front of us here. They're Just eyeing us From behind like Bill Clinton with Hillary in his speech on Tuesday Fresh off the convention floor Justin Robert Young With the hot takes well, no, no, no that was a part of his speech He said he was close so close to her that he could almost touch her back. I Feel like I'm at the last supper, which is something that only weird people think about Exactly babies got back. Okay, so I probably should have done this earlier Launched the recording device. What do you think Hillary Clinton has more of an LA face or an Oakland booty? Oh Hillary Clinton the Democratic nominee for president more And we're gonna do Donald Trump next LA face or Oakland booty, which one more Oakland booty. I think Oakland booty for both Yeah, Trump's definitely he's got he's got a tractor trailer on that I Want to know who brought the dragons. Oh those are the resident dragons. They were here when we got here. Yeah Shanika brought in the small one from her desk, but Hello Have a seat We are live and we are about to start physically kissing the mic you have to kiss the mic All right, you guys ready? Here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news show for Friday July 29th 2016 I'm Tom Merritt coming to you from Orlando, Florida And we've got a packed house Justin Robert Young is here I haven't seen you in a couple weeks man. You've been busy on the convention floor for BitTorrent news I mean technically only missed one week, right? I got here just in time Literally not miss more than one week. Good point. Good point. I was out there in Orlando and you're in Orlando now You were in Cleveland Get along two weeks it's been a long two weeks. I was yeah Cleveland for the Republicans and Philadelphia for the Democrats. I literally left the physical convention floor Got in a cab and made my way to the airport so I could get to Orlando here today Crazy town, of course in Cleveland still land Peralta is here on Friday to illustrate the show. How's it going land? Very good. Very good. I'm excited to see everybody here. Are you gonna? Are you excited to illustrate eSports? We gave you the entire field to draw from today. Yeah, I think it's I think it's gonna be fun We'll see. All right. All right, but but we got way more guests Willie Dills Gregory from the Angry Chicken is here Yeah, what's up? How's it going Garrett Wines Earl from the Angry Chicken and the creator of create con the reason that we're in Orlando is here Yeah, I feel like we're sitting at the last time is the last supper man. This is weird This is a see you pass Justin's beard. This is the penultimate supper. I know wait Somebody should be pointing dramatically Yeah, spilling some salt and hey, no, thank you for putting this on and for hooking us up with this wonderful space here and Well, thank you all for coming. Absolutely. It was our pleasure. Brian brushwood is here as well for create con Sorry, I'm busy. I'm just tweeting my new BFF on Twitter. Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party presidential candidate Oh, you are you two in a little? Like are you trying to challenge like I thought I was the political guest I'm just saying look more than one of us can interview a presidential candidates You get retweeted by a presidential candidate, it's not the same. Oh wait, wait, I would think it's better What I said was so important that she adopted my words. It was just like like yeah, him Third as third parties become more viable Brian has to start looking at fourth parties. That's all Party Hey today is 17th annual system administrator appreciation day So if you know assists admin, which you all do if you're on the internet go and appreciate them somehow Give them Chocolate all the appreciation. Yeah You the best the system administrators today is also the last day You can get a free upgrade to windows 10 operating system. So if you're listening to this on Saturday, it's too late Did you get yours Justin? Yes Yes, I did. Oh, that's right. I remember now Justin's gonna stab me now Right, well, let's move into some top stories I'll leave and turn up the top story news and do that again. There we go Wall Street Journal reports apples negotiating tactics over the customer information and fees regarding television streams killed The agreements they were trying to reach with Comcast Time Warner Cable and the studios that make TV programs Apple Always wants control over customer data. That's one of the problems They have with Amazon over the Kindle and and other companies They also wanted to not Annually increase the rates that they would pay to programming providers Apple also wanted full seasons of all top shows On-demand at all time and to allow commercial skipping. So so break basically breaking all the rules Well, certainly so or at least the rules that are currently set forth by the cable companies right now Those are just the rules of the road when it comes to the network the way that they make their money is by looking at Cable conglomerates and saying okay There is a carriage fee and then associated with that carriage fee We can negotiate back and forth on on-demand but for cable, you know The conglomerates Comcasts and Time Warners of the world. They don't really make their money on on-demand It's not like they can really monetize that in any kind of specific way except for just throwing it in as an add-on That they can advertise to subscribe to their larger package. So what Apple wanted to do which I mean Apple it's a fairly audacious ask But they're Apple so they can kind of make it because they are so large Was something that was totally antithetical to the business model that these networks are thinking of and I think if you're gonna look at a larger trend piece it is that Apple has a deal-making Problem and has had one for a couple years and if you look at you know Why they acquired beats in a large reason was to bring in Jimmy Iveen and now Apple music seems to be Immune to that deal-making problem as they continue to host Exclusive super hot albums month after month Apple also believes they've got time on their side that they can just wait until the cable companies and the broadcast networks are in such Trouble that they are like okay fine. We have to play by your rules I absolutely could not agree more. This is a case where Apple is in a position to perform the exact same wizardry they performed back in the late 90s early 2000s with with iTunes basically Piracy was such a disaster that somebody came in and said shut up dollar per track Ten dollars an album. That's how it's gonna be get in line and everybody did that and it worked out But then only with the through the lens of history. Do you look back and say like oh wow? Maybe we could have gotten a better deal Maybe we're all panicked and crazy that the difference is is that all of these partners are not panicked and crazy right now Which is why they can't pull the same trick a second good because their business is not in Freefall and decline like a music business was Well, and even if it was they would have the benefit of seeing you know this previous case history of the music business genuinely was in an unprecedented Freefall and they're not GPS is doing something weird to Australia Australia is going to shift its latitude and longitude coordinates north by 1.8 meters on January 1st 2017 in order to reconcile their local maps with satellite coordinates The problem is that the actual continent of Australia moves seven centimeters north every year now before space-based Navigation that didn't matter the local maps just kept the Latin long constant Even though they were out of alignment with the rest of the planet and then every so often They'd adjust them the last time they adjusted them was 1994 though So the continent has shifted 1.5 meters since then the they will overcorrect to 1.8 meters So that they will bring Australia back into line by 2020 when a new system will be ready to take in changes into account over time And they won't have to keep adjusting Are we am I understanding this correct like if I Bet money and I honestly don't know the answer And I would love to get all the panelists to just chime in right now which moves faster Australia or the end of your toenail? Dills I'll go the toenail toenail moves fast. All right. What about you Gary? I'm with Dills on this Definitely my toenail moves faster No, I think Australia I there's no way I grow seven seven centimeters Oh, I definitely grow seven centimeters in any year Yeah, we need to use glow nas instead of GPS But what is kind of amazing though is if you look at everything the GPS that is used for in daily life I mean, this is something that is baked into so many of our smoke phone technologies Pokemon go Oh Where's the pub? I need to know that. Yeah, absolutely You know, it is kind of crazy that something like this could just throw things off so regularly And you you might think that that would just be group madness from Australians of like is it just me like is my phone my phone's always busted It always thinks that this thing is like, you know a half block the other way Well, and that's the crazy thing is for for centuries Australia was fine They're like, yeah, so the latlong isn't perfect. Whatever. I can still know where to go to find Yeah, and then GPS comes and makes us have to to recognize continental drift that just blows my mind Or also that we don't have GPS technology that accounts for it It's the local maps that were the problem. The GPS is like fine. We can account for that Okay, so that's that's why it's about to say every really not at a point now where we can build You know a way that the GPS compensates for this regularly. Yeah Yeah, no we can and they that's why they have to do this to be like, all right We got to shift the maps ahead and then we can get our systems to sync up with GPS And then GPS can account for it. I thought there was like one map maker somewhere left to like print map maker in Australia There's just an old curmudgeon like no Make sure make sure you're up on your mic. Apparently you're a little low. Okay. Yeah, all right get it there It is in my mind. Get up in it. Get up in it We've got a we've got another story that is of interest to all creators documentary photographer Carol Heismith Received a letter in December on behalf of Getty images accusing her of copyright infringement and asking her to pay a reasonable $120 for the images she used in a pamphlet the trouble was the images she used in the pamphlet were photos taken by Heismith and Not only that images made available to the Library of Congress for free So that people could license them for free So not public domain because you can take a public domain thing and sell it if you want if you can get people to pay for it It was a license for free use from the Library of Congress So Heismith is now suing Getty for selling unauthorized licenses for images and failing to give the photographer credit Getty says they're looking into the allegations I mean Yeah, good for her or him. No Carol. That's her I don't know Carol O'Connor Good for that person I mean, no, this this is certainly something that and obviously certain areas matter more than others But we are all independent podcasters, right? We are all people for whom make content and then sell it directly to people that want to buy it via platforms like patreon and stuff like that This is a most likely a clerical error by Getty where at some point some Database got added to something that it wasn't supposed to they are a monetizing platform for images and This one was not supposed to be on there I would be shocked if hers was the only one that accidentally got dragged and dropped into this bin that you know said charge for this But you know it shows you how much even in a digital age where you can keep track of stuff You don't and the end of presumption is always on the side of the copyright owners Yeah, so get nobody questions. Let's be clear not copyright owners copyright Claimers because you don't actually have to have the copyright But if you're the guy shouting loudest that's mine then everybody defers to you everyone knows Getty owns all the images, right? Correct. I mean, it's not called Getty some images. Yeah, it's called Getty images Garrett I'm curious as somebody who deals with art in your daily life, you know, how does this strike you? I just find it extremely odd like Why was she or he why was Carol the only person? Why was Carol the only the only person that had to pay for this? It's strange because you said it was put up for free for it. No, okay, so no No, it was intended to be put up so she lists the image, right, right likely Getty images does some sort of you know A DMCA copyright scan of things, right? They find an image that is their image that they charge for they then tell her yo, bro You cannot have that because that is something that you need to pay us for she's like a hashtag well actually you You might be screwed up there because this is something that I took and I licensed to the Library of Congress So the fact that that is in your check for something that you should be paid for is a major problem Yeah, yeah, so I'm really if you hadn't told me the end how the story ends I would've gone. Yeah, she this person should sue and that's what that's what they're doing I mean personally I work one-to-one with clients most of the time I've never worked with royalty free sites But say in this case if something I worked on that I did not intend to end up on getting images ended up on getting images You better believe they're gonna be getting an email from me at least yeah, and and my guess is Getty images went to the Library of Congress said what are your free images? We would like to provide those pass along those for free because there are images You can get through Getty images for free Yeah, and that the company acting on Getty images behalf didn't properly separate out the free ones Yeah, from the licensed ones and therefore made this mistake that that's my best guess I think the biggest thing that we should point out is that as much as you can say like oh get a images You're so bad like this is probably a harmless mistake. That's that's where that's also where I'm leaning Yeah, but at the same time it is again It's another sign that maybe there is more that we can do as content creators to maybe build up an independent watch dog That kind of looks at this sort of stuff proactively as opposed to randomly kind of finding it and then saying like whoa Hold on how much of you how long you've been selling this thing? That's you know not only free, but you should not be selling right? I mean we There's a certain point getting images obviously, you know It's within our country so we have that type of power But this type of thing I mean extends beyond that you you hear about issues with copyright You know people printers in China stealing art all the time from people and then you just have no recourse There's nothing you can do so it's just We need to get together we need to talk and decide how much of it is worth the effort because they're you know There will always eventually be something where we we don't have recourse over it And is it really worth worth our time in this case? We don't we haven't heard back from Getty after Carol went after them So they may come out and say yes, sir. It was honestly just an honest mistake We will rectify it and if they do that good on them if they don't then I think this is a bigger news and people should go after Getty for it Google announced that Android now supports add-ons for Docs and sheets in Android So now you can do things like DocuSign and stuff like that in your Android apps They say they are looking into bringing it to iOS once they determine the demand is high enough But it's coming to Android now You'll get a either direct link or you can get them in the Google Play Store Zoho DocuSign prosper works as well as their own add-ons for classrooms are available at launch Something that I've used Occasionally in the web versions particularly DocuSign. Oh, yeah stuff like that Now available on the mobile device is pretty awesome Yeah, I mean I had a very recently while I was out in Cleveland for the RNC I had to sign my my guest agreement for DragonCon which I had not done on time and they were yelling at me because it was super late I'm so happy to hear that I did the same thing And and you know that I had to do it on my laptop I couldn't do it on my phone would have been way easier to do on my phone And I would have gotten it done quicker So what I'm saying is I'm blaming the fact that this functionality wasn't already on my phone for how late my guest agreement Got into DragonCon If anyone's listening so yeah, if they and this this is one of those things that was was top Google news top tech meme top of our own subreddit Like it sounds like a small thing, but tons of people are very excited that this is I think it's a testament to the space that Google Docs is moving into is a so Universal and pervasive like like this is a core fundamental aspect of business technology Whether it's you know, yeah, whether it's the spreadsheets or which which again I'm looking right now at the Google Docs spreadsheet for for this Episode that we're doing Yeah, yeah. No, it's it's pervasive now. Well, and one last thought on this before we go forward This is almost tied to me to the absence of printers in daily life You know the idea that a signed document is something that doesn't happen all that often very rarely unless you're in an Extraordinarily official ceremonial almost situation. Do you have papers that you literally sign? And in what is now an increasingly digital and mobile world this is just how business gets done And in a lot of ways it's more effective. No, I still sign everything with like 20 different pens like the president In a ceremony privately. Yeah, yeah, but 20 people behind me for sure pens Now one thing that was awkward six-person handshake One thing that was happening before this show started is most of you were playing Pokemon go according to data from slice intelligence You're fighting against the stream the apps paying users peaked in mid July when the game had 56% more paying players than all other mobile games combined But since July 15th the games group of paying players has shrunk by 32% Medzula is here in the audience. He's the one who gave us the official odds on this You said eight days left decent use until August 1st, then it'll fall back to niche gamers So how do you how do you how do you measure that that was on the 12th? So I was saying that by the 20th the hysteria would list subside. All right, and it's the 15th Is is when the players base shrunk by 32. So you're are you within the over-under is that? I wasn't really a window of tolerance made for okay, so how can you look at that number and not say this is not still? global hysteria like 56% Was that more paying players that all mobile games combined? Is insane and totally unsustainable huge if it shrinks by 32% and it still has And my public school Florida education is showing here a lot Yeah, more than all other games combined that's insane especially because this is not a free-to-play game where it's like oops You played for too long turns out your your Satchel is tired you need to put in more tokens to keep playing well You do run out of pokeballs if you're not going to stop but you can't get the but but this is a mobile game You're supposed to walk around that's part of the as long as you're willing to walk No, I mean the truth is it's still definitely a phenomenon But I think we've all we've gone as we've gone past the point where the person who doesn't really care about the game But just was kind of doing it because everyone else is doing it has kind of stopped, but then there's also been a few Bugs that Niantic the company that's responsible for actually making the game has been not very Communicative about what they're doing about them these bugs like it used to be you'd see you know One little icon if it was close to you to if it was a little bit farther and three it was even further Now it's always three all the time. Yeah, so three they call it the three-step bug everything shows three steps So it really takes away that feature that was I think so fun for people hunting hunting the Pokemon Right you can see on your phone that I'm getting closer to it and that was awesome And I got people to continue doing it. They haven't fixed this bug and who knows how long and I think a lot of players I just kind of fed up with it's not working the way it used to so it's really stopping It's a relatively light game like the actual game experience. It is pretty light There's not a ton to do in the game. So without that feature in it It's going to it's exactly it's going to hurt the game Well, I mean, there's there's also because this is kind of you know a huge massive Situation where you're playing against everybody else in the world. There is it's hard for people who just start playing now For example that if they want to go battle people at a gym. Oh, yeah, you have all these Superpower what you know, you can get We know I mean not you because you're on a crappy team, but like Anybody else Anybody else anybody else on team Valor Valor Club international for life You know is you can gang up on on a gym and it's actually taking gyms is super fun I'm sure we'll do it a lot here at create. Well, we won't we'll be battling each other for them I mean because you've made a garbage decision in your life and you're still living with it I mean, you're no one's on your team Justin. Yeah, no. Yeah, listen everybody else hashtag team Valor Go ahead and hit me up Justin are young on Twitter. Let all these suckers now All right Finally before we get to our eSports conversation real quickly Sony posted profits of twenty one point two billion yen for q1 That is down, but the headline here is that operating profit of 44 billion yen came from the gaming unit dominated by PlayStation. That was up 126% so they did a lot of cost-cutting There's a lot of you know currency exchange effects from the yen There's even effects from the Kumamoto earthquake But the bottom line here is the PlayStation is carrying Sony They've gone from the sensor unit carrying them to the gaming unit carrying them Also polygon noted that an official pamphlet being distributed by Sony was showing up on imager Saying that the PlayStation VR headset needs a room of six point two feet by nine point eight feet With the player seated in the middle facing the camera at the long end But they want you to stay seated for most of the time That's what I don't understand you and I were talking about this at lunch and I'm I'm still confused about it It's been going around my head if you have to stay seated Why do you need that much space most of the time and they and then they have some warnings in there? Like if the game tells you to get up be sure to follow the instructions carefully and don't hurt yourself and Sue us They don't say this yeah This is this is all liability fueled and in fact it deeply affects the customer experience when it comes to games In fact, I gave up on what was that Zelda like adventure? Vanishing realms yes because because I mean and for good reason like there's so much flailing your arms around hitting Attacking monsters or whatever and you're doing it blind not aware of what's around you As a result like like if you got like three centimeters off of the center if you're like whoa, bro Let's not run around crazy. Let's get you back in your space now We can resume the game like you have to do that because otherwise like you thought it was bad when people were throwing their We motes into televisions nowadays. You're gonna be decking kids in the face Says a man with three kids Yeah It's good. I like you just normalizing this situation before one of your daughter shows up We've all been there right I mean the I'm curious to see how much of this is indeed a Liability play and how much of it has to be because if you try to sue and they say well How big was the room you were playing? Well, I mean does that mean how much space did you stay seated at the proper time? Let's also understand that you know Vive is something that has room scale on a level that let's say Oculus does not I mean the reviews on PlayStation VR I've been nothing short of glowing much like the vibes were when they were first being tested by people So I'm excited to play it, but it just might be an amazing experience that happens Primarily sitting and then also has a limited sort of room scale ability, which is apparently coming for Oculus as well So, yeah, who knows all I do know is that the vibe is almost by definition a Death trap and I love spending time in it And I love spinning around as many times as possible while there's a cord coming out from the back of my head Wrapping around my feet All right, thanks to everybody who submits stories in our subreddit daily tech news show dot reddit.com today We had Murph and Jay in there another Jay Martin Motang Motang a lot today. Well done Slemmis me Slemmis me that a Pokemon do we? Yeah, I think I just call that DJ Sikhani Flobamma and more get in there and vote on the stories daily tech news show dot reddit.com That's a look at the top stories For our main story today I want to talk about e-sports because I know particularly Garrett and Dills you guys follow the space real closely and Twitter announced today They're partnering with e-league and Turner to stream the counter strike go Counter strike global offensive tournament that's happening in Atlanta right now The semi-finals are happening as we record this on Friday and the championship will be at 4 p.m Eastern on Saturday, which will be a best of three now We've talked a lot on this show about Twitter getting into sports getting into the NFL getting into the NBA Because they want to be associated with those popular sports streaming Events and they think live is the place that they can make their big mark So it's interesting to see them betting on e-sports as part of that too makes sense that it's endemic to a crowd That's on the internet and using Twitter, but it's also bigger than that I mean they're getting it from TBS e-sports is getting big deals. They've got bigger deals with the SPN than ever before What it what do you make of this is is e-sports? Legitimizing it will it always be a little different kind of like NASCAR is you know, it's a sport, but it's also you know Where is it going? What's its place? I'll say this first of like the difference between e-sports and say NASCAR Which is like a fringe sport and is going to be like kind of kind of an issue until this gets really addressed by Somebody is that there is no kind of governing body like the NASCAR you could say well NASCAR They they have their circuit and they have their guys and you know people want to come up and then make it to NASCAR Again e-sports. It's like CS go has this deal with this guy and this game has this deal with this guy And it's all on twitch and then this random kid decided he wanted to do a tournament So he invited a bunch of people and got some sponsors and there's no it's like boxing King who's coming in he murdered somebody 20 years ago, but who knows what's going on everything's event There's too much there's too much separation from one event to the next and there's not a Unification of all of it under one kind of body Which I think will always keep it kind of on the outskirts until that until somebody comes forth and does that and everybody supports that And then there's like a players association and you know, there's rules in place and we all understand it It will always feel this way. Well, that's just that's how it's going to grow I hate to go all 1800s, but that was baseball in the oh, yeah Storming and all right somebody came along until the National Association came along and said what if we all banded together Yeah, and essentially even there was even two different ones right happens for a long time It took it took decades for it to formalize into two major leagues And then that even took decades before it became major league baseball as we know it There's another discussion to be had with e-sports as well because you have different games So should all the games be under the same umbrella or should each game have its own governing body? I lean towards each game having its own governing body because each game is so different from one another I don't think hearthstone should necessarily have the same governing body as doda, too Yeah, no, I'd be like baseball. You're like, well, we've got hearth stick and counter stick I see the problem with these words though is a game doesn't necessarily have the same legs as a Sport like baseball will probably always be you know I mean they're gonna totally ruin baseball that making the designated hitter in both leagues We know that but I'm just saying that like you know sports tend to kind of last for hundreds of years and You know CS go will be replaced by some new version of it in a few years and games just kind of always have that cycle So then maybe what you end up with is You know a MOBA or a first-person shooter or a card game body and rather than each individual game because they do refresh faster And there's a CS code drama going on right now There's there's been previous dramas with you know people leaving teams or being accused of things e-sports Yeah, right, it's the Wild West. That's now I've seen everything new and it's a bunch of kids trying to figure it out In now there's starting to be enough money Where established people who know how like laws work and contracts work are coming in saying Oh, there's enough money that I can now make I can devote some time to this But until then it was just kids trying to figure it out and they don't understand that they should not break contracts They don't understand any of that stuff. So it's a mess and we're still miss We're in this now in this weird in-between period because we have IMG we have TBS stepping in and even ESPN to some degree stepping in and a big jump in legitimacy That we didn't really have before But we're we're still coming out of the very grassroots More oriented style that that that e-sports has been and now we're in this weird kind of in-between Because before it was pretty much all community driven and really no, you know Big legitimate big-name businesses getting involved and now we're in this kind of in-between space Let me ask you is this if you're looking at a governing body, obviously we are here I create con where we're gonna you guys are going to do a bunch of Podcasts that are primarily centered around Blizzard games Blizzard seems to have been taken a proactive step Especially with Hearthstone, which is probably the east or the e-sport that I follow the most they have a league-wide or sorry a year-wide Challenge to get points to qualify they have qualifiers throughout the year It seems very much like an organized Yeah, sports calendar in the way that you would see you know baseball football or soccer doing it is but they all aren't and that's That's kind of the issue. It's inconsistent even with them Blizzard themselves heroes of the storm is exceptionally hard to follow And that's made by Blizzard. Yeah, it's all kind of everywhere by the way team liquid done that Well, yeah, all right, but that's interesting because heroes has the biggest television presence, right? Well, they had two or a once a year or blizzard for blizzard. Yeah, blizzard and when you say that Yes, you just made your mic go out somehow But so but the point is that yes So the gate the companies that have done this the the e-sports have flourished under those companies So riot with League of Legends has really stepped in and taken charge of it You can look at Dota which you know, they kind of crowdsource their their prize pools But they end up with the $18 million on the line for the world championship. So and that's driven by that That's driven by the companies that are making the game And so the companies when they do step in and do this it makes a huge difference So these are going to be company driven events for a while is what it's yeah But there's not going to be some non You know like because you could say that and say the NFL there's the NFL But then there's the players association as the owners It's not all one thing even though it kind of is but they you know, they work closely together But there's representation on all the sides. So right now we don't really have that we just have the players We need a decathlon. So so then then is it maybe the idea that we're looking at not a commissioners? Office in the same way that we would see for baseball or football, but maybe like a FIFA like an ombudsman type thing FIFA works out really well. Yeah The ideal Yeah, I mean the the ideal of FIFA not necessarily yes corrupt a body that Well, yeah, everything's fine right somebody can write rules that then everyone can agree on and then all kind of have to be followed No matter how you structure your own league or tournament would be ideal if it works Just just just some watchdog that like so now that these agencies are coming in like IMG and Okay, well, we want to get into e-sports. We want to build up players to be celebrities We want to make money 360 on all the kind of deals that they can make if there is somebody Governing watchdog body that can say okay. Well, this person's playing CS go now, right? But if they want to also branch out into overwatch We can be the go-between to say all right. Yeah. Well, well, they're going to do x amount of games In a x amount of events in a certain year and and these qualify these don't and that way you can have it like some I would I would imagine them working a little different I would think really it would just be somebody where you can go to to settle disputes because Right now there isn't that right like there's kids getting contracts They don't know what they mean and then they realize after a year of being a pro game or their dream job That they actually made zero dollars and they get booted off the team for some weird reason. That's just a mediation service Yeah, but there isn't that there's nowhere for that kid to go To complain right now. It's like well, you should have read your contract and you should have you know, and there's not So if i'm hearing correctly what both of you guys have described is the need for some kind of middleman a Packager who can make everything in e-sports palatable to the masses who can explain This is why it's significant. This is why this is an amazing story Here's what I want you to look for and then get that aha experience of like oh my god. He did He did run away faster than the other guy in We'll see the mobas like the audience is there right the audience is there There's people who want to watch e-sports and then there's the people who want to be these e-sports stars But they're not like they're not encouraged to do this and college said like there's no like ncaa where they Prepare to become pros by the way, uh, I I if if what we're truly considering is how good of an experience how how pro how Uh, what the benefit is to young minds who are coming into the e-sports world Um, I don't know that we can look to college sports because it's not no no not really grinder that choose people up But at least it's all the millions and it's a pathway though. Like if you play sports, whether it's college The college itself or ncaa or whether it's something else what you're saying is there It's all just the wild west until you get professional. There's nothing that brings you up Yeah, it's sitting in my room and playing nothing but this game and hope it works out for me Here's the thing maybe twitch should be I guess I reject the entire notion There is no it was the wild west until Because even after that moment all somebody did is walk up put a crown on their own head Well, okay, I don't all I'm saying is right now There isn't a way for an e-sports player to do something that's halfway to professional It's either you're not professional or you're professional And and so it would be nice if there was a pathway with that is a little easier to ease people into it Just like a school. Yeah, but not necessarily run by a school. Well, I I think a lot of this I mean like for example, I mean you guys are Willie and uh, tom you guys are both big baseball fans like what really holds together baseball It is owners who have uh, you know deals with their stadiums that you know, they are filling They have you know, they have to create this content to bring people in to make sure that that machine keeps going It's a player's association and it's agents, right? Like I was going to say hot dogs better sure hot dogs Like these are all people that have one thing in common The circular money, you know, uh, you know a track makes everybody It makes it worthwhile for everybody to be a part of it the way that you create more professionalism in e-sports And therefore more responsibility when people go afoul of what they should do Uh is by just creating a more reliable circular Money, yeah, and I don't even think it needs the pathway doesn't even need to be organized necessarily It just what you're saying deals is is there there hasn't been a pathway because this hasn't existed Yeah, I think it'll naturally work itself out and I think twitch might be the pathway Like going on and starting a channel whether they want to well That's a whole different. It's sort of it sort of is yeah, and that's but there are other pathways as well But again, we get into that inconsistency. It is not it's not consistent between games Dills you went and played in an open hearse on tournament at dream hack had you Play had you had you had a better run you could have made the finals you could have won Points to get you in to blizzard's championship at the end of the year at blizzcon Now that is something that is great and that's something that does exist for hearse stone But it does not necessarily exist for every game out there and even in the realm of hearse stone We don't know how many open events are there there are going to be within a given year And even within that there are open events that That award world championship points and there are open events that do not Yeah, all right. It's it's all just like it's all just a mess, right when you look at it from You know just that's the title of our show. It's just all just the sports. It's all just a mess By the way, that's all that's all perspective what you see as a mess right now I see as undeveloped real estate like well, there's a lot of opportunity, right? Absolutely, I'm going to build some condoms get in there if someone gets in there and takes charge Other people will just go. Oh, this guy seems to know what he's talking about like I guarantee you It's just the people right now doing it. I don't know what the hell they're doing So it all falls apart And by the way, brian is is not alone I mean img is the one who's putting together this thing with tbs They they put together a deal to make sure that these players get on television and create a higher profile for themselves You know in the ufc just sold to a group that was bought or led by wme I think another agency that is looking to make 360 degree deals with the stars of the ufc This is a place where people whose job it is to leech. I mean make money From other people who actually do things are paying attention, which means there's money there Yeah, and that that is really the bottom line here is there there is definitely money there There is definitely an audience. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out Real quickly our pick of the day comes from lee and auburn, kansas And uh, he says you guys were talking about pokemon go games, uh, pokemon go clones He's like i want to recommend spec trek You view a live map where ghosts are located walk to the location then use the phone's camera to see the ghost and catch them The developer of this app created it in 2009 as part of google's android developers contest, which by the way Niantic started with google after this game one second place in the adc too So it predated ingress according to lee in auburn, kansas, uh, and he still enjoys playing it So you might want to check it out spec trek s p e c t r e k You can send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com Also got an email i'll leave most of it in the show notes for you guys to read But kori from definitely needing the rain boston was pleasantly surprised to hear us mention the diux initiative on yesterday's show He works for a small cyber security and software engineering startup whose biggest customers are the government And he says one of my co-workers helped establish the cambridge massachusetts diux office by way of getting the right people On both the pentagon side and the startup side in touch to make it happen It was wonderful to hear about the initiatives that i've been working on for the past year make it on to dtns He along with a lot of people really enjoyed robert roger's points About the biggest problem being the day-to-day basis of getting people to trust Getting people to understand when you want to hook up, you know military ideas with innovative startups, but anyway good to hear from somebody involved in that Particular effort. Thank you kori And that's it for this show. Thank you. Let's start at the end with garret weinserl The angry chicken We wanted jocelyn moffat to be on the show the third of the three chickens Yeah, she um someone cast a curse on her at harry potterland. Yeah, uh the curse of heat stroke Unfortunately so hot taking tragic turn Listen to the angry chicken to understand that reference and if you do you understand it greatly So anything else tacpodcast.com of course anything else, uh, it's not tac podcast It's a it's a move dot tv slash tac if you want more about the angry chicken or just a move dot tv for all the Is it tsc podcast on twitter then? Yes, where am i getting that? Yeah, so a move dot tv for all the shows that i do and uh tune in tomorrow for the create con stream providing It doesn't explode. Yeah, uh, and you can get that on a move Yes twitch.tv slash a move tv is the live stream or there's a live link on a move dot tv Uh, and I will come back to brian. Uh, I know i'm not going to go in order But dill's obviously co-host of the angry chicken and you've got other enterprises underway as well Uh, yeah, so the the instance is the show that I do about world of warcraft There's gonna be a lot of stuff to talk about because brand new patch brand new expansion finally here Uh, so yeah, check that out and then youtube and twitch just search my name willy dills Brian brushwood, of course the co-host of cord killers. That's it. It doesn't do anything else Yeah, no, that's all I need to do is talk about how important it is to cut that cord Yeah, tom merit. Uh, no, seriously, you got to talk about uh, no, no, that's fine I'll tell you what here's what here's my big project that we're doing now We just announced today that we are uh creating our own home brew kit We partnered with a professional bespoke high-end home brewer Uh, and we got another brewer who put together a custom recipe for us And so we got this package the idea is at dragon con. We'll all lift a black a blast Uh No, that's probably closer No, no, no, the idea is we created we created the rogues brew and uh, everybody has to start making theirs along with us by August 12th, so if you go to skimcom.com Get the stuff and then all of us on august 12th We'll put the stuff in three weeks from then all over labor day weekend We'll all raise a light a glass of home brew beer circumvent all the liquor laws Yeah, yeah, exactly hack hack the the liquor laws. I mean get me pigs Uh, Justin robert young You just got off the convention floor as we mentioned at the top of the show bit torrent news, but what else you got going on? Oh, wow Stuff. Oh gen con if anyone's gonna be at gen con. I will be at gen con. Hey, are you at gen con? I could go could you go? I'll be at gen con Do you want to be a lens? Len will be at gen con. Brian might be at gen con. Who knows? We'll show up at gen con. Uh, come on out. We're going to be government says nobody should go to gen con Deep cut. Sorry. Sorry. Uh, so here's the deal John teesdale and I uh, who are the co-creators of the contender along with guts and glory will have Not only the contender and our expansions up for sale at con pricing never before seen but also a uh, gen con exclusive a pack of uh expansion cards I believe it's 10 or 11 That are not actual presidential quotes, but rather Quotes from television and film Presidents including the west wing. I think it's I don't know. It's 11 cards It's 10 quotes from uh famous tv and movie presidents and dave Oh, fantastic. Of course was not a president. No, he was installed spoiler because he was Uh impersonated. So go check out anybody else see that movie dave. Yeah, no. Yeah. No, just you and I No, go ahead and check it out. Uh, so important to note. We are not going to be on the convention floor We are going to be at uh right across the street from the convention, uh center at the escape room It is rated one of the best in the country. So you should go there Anyway, beg borrow and steal a ticket because I think they might also Be already uh blocked out but see whether see whether or not you can get in last minute John and I will be there demoing the game and uh two bucks for every game goes to a local charity. So Uh, go ahead and meet us up there at the escape room You don't need a ticket to come in and say hi to us uh at uh gen con next week Len peralta has been illustrating the show and uh, I know I say this a lot, but this may be one of your best yet Well, thank you so much. You know, uh, this is what I think may become a A regular feature on dts. My future history lesson because this is a uh a retrospect on something that's happening right now Uh, and uh, you would you know kind of addresses a couple of the things that you guys talked about how uh to make a sports a little more Uh accessible. Well, of course have a twitter team team egghead Uh, you know it might not work. Uh They don't need avatars. They don't no. They just wear eggs on their heads. There you go. It's all it's all there So I like that the one of them does have the bird. I and no fail. Well, that was nice of you Oh, yes, there. No, they because team egghead does not fail Uh, check it out. Len peralta store.com if you want to take a look at it and even buy a print for yourself It and look forward to uh more of these and you can find the past ones there as well And I'll be at gen con as well signing at the steve jackson games booth and I'll be at the uh a guest of honor at the munchkin tavern Uh on saturday night with andrew hacker. 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Oh Yeah, I had to use our quarter inch jack Yeah, so we're still live on the stream just so everybody knows Roger do you have any show title suggestions for us? Can you hear me nintendo? Uh We have top is uh any e-sport in the storm e-sports. It's all just a mess e-sports, it's all we kind of almost have to do that This is actually kind of funny mess e-sports. I like mess e-sports Mess e-sports Two words Have you ever tried to start like uh, this is something that for whatever reason me and my brother find really funny is when uh You try to totally inorganically start like a big cheers And so you just like Hey Hey, well at some point everybody will join in eventually, but you know exactly even if they don't You at some point have to make the decision that you're gonna do it. No matter what. Oh, yeah All right, I'm just going to uh edit this and publish it Roger is that cool. We we just shut down the stream. We good. Cool. I think and I'll see you monday All right, I'm gonna stop the broadcast. Thanks everybody for watching. Good. Bye say. Goodbye