 Awesome. Welcome everybody once again. Good to see you all. I hope you all are doing, staying safe and well. Kiran, can I request you to start us off with a word of prayer, please? Yes, sir. Father God, we just continuously are shown for the God once again. Father God, just keep your blessing, wisdom, understanding for the God that we can understand the subject for the God and utilize our city and our nation, our place as Father God, ministry. Father God, keep your relation more for the God that we can walk through your way, your kingdom, way for the God. Bless to each and every one. Bless to sir and all his students, Father God. I'm a student willing to join Father God and then to join Father God's classes. Thank you, Father God. Blessing our prayer. Thank you. Coming time, I'm just submitting to your hand. Take care of everything. Almighty Jesus, name free prayer. Amen. Thank you, Kiran. Let me go ahead and share my screen and we'll get started. Okay, so just to quickly recap, I can go all the way back. Okay, so just to do a quick recap of the chapters that we've covered so far. First one was all about worship ministry in the Bible. We learned about Abraham's altars as man of altars, how we God expects us to be people of worshipers. And worship ministry in the Old Testament and in the New Testament from in the context of the tabernacle of David, tabernacle of Moses, and also a temple of how worship was orchestrated and administered in the temple of Solomon, according to the instructions given by David to them. And we see that generations after generations followed that, right? And we see a different kind of pattern evolving in the New Testament, how worship ministry takes on a different shape, you know, just slightly different in the New Testament and an era of synagogues evolving. And it was at a fully developed stage at this point, right? And so singing was given a lot of importance in the New Testament as well. It was not just in the Old Testament. You cannot have the new without the old, right? And people, every Jew that was saved, you know, and who became a Christian, who believed in Jesus Christ were still Jews and they still, you know, remembered and followed everything that they practiced as a Jew, right? And the different festivals, different sacrifices, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. And we saw in depth the tabernacle of Moses, how worship was organized and administered in the tabernacle of Moses. And every piece of furniture has its own significance attached to it. So that was tabernacle of Moses. And then we briefly saw the backstory of the tabernacle of David and what it means and how God has promised to raise the tabernacle of David in these days as prophesied by Amos. And then again, later quoted in the book of Acts by James. So all of that. And then a few points from the lessons that we learned from what we can learn from David's worship team is that they were set apart for ministry. And they were all, you know, under the supervision of their fathers and the king, right? And they were all trained and skilled. You know, they were young and old teacher and student. So there was a mix of generations in the worship team that David put together. Okay. So that's a chapter one, a pretty big chapter. I think the biggest of them all. And then we move on to chapter two, just talking about the brief journey through time, how worship ministry has evolved through time. Right. And I mean, and the impact that it has on us because, you know, like I shared last class that understanding our history tells us, you know, who we are, where we come from, isn't it? So and one of the places that we started looking at was hymns and the birth of hymns and the richness in the literature and also the complexity in music of the hymns. Okay. Just powerful, powerful tools for worship. And then, you know, we saw that there was a birth of a contemporary Christian music, also known as CCM, which is Christian contemporary music. How it started its journey in the 1960s, because a lot of teenagers, a youth, a lot of youth were leaving the church because they just couldn't connect with the church anymore or they didn't feel that the church was relevant to them anymore. So they wanted to worship Jesus, although they believed in Jesus in the way that the secular people also, you know, so and that give birth to rock music. And we studied about Larry David Norman, who is known as the father of Christian rock, who influenced a lot of other young young people, which resulted in a bunch of artists and bands being released during that era from 1960. And we see that it was completely developed by the 1980s. Right. And a few examples of all these wonderful great artists that we know of and that we've been influenced and impacted by as well. Okay. And then a few pros and cons of this movement called the contemporary Christian music. The pros are definitely that it still stays with the church, it's still with the church. Okay, 50, 40, 40 years, 50 years later, we are still being influenced by what happened in the 60s. Right. And the songs that were written by them by songs that was written by Keith Green, just just to name a few right Petra, etc, etc. The positives are also its negatives. Right. One of the examples that we looked at was how the Christian awards, you know, kind of follow the similar pattern of the world. Okay, awards in itself are not wrong, like we discussed, but it's in the manner that we, you know, that they go about doing it, it shows the influence of all the secular world as well. Where, you know, it seems like worship ministry has become an industry where it should be a priesthood. And it's very important that we don't miss that mark. And the second negative con, I should say is that the, the band mentality has can also enter the worship team members that it's been influenced. The worship team members are also influenced by this culture, the band mentality culture. Okay, so we went through a bunch of points to distinguish and differentiate. What is the band mentality and what should be the mentality of the worship team members. Okay, the band is a is a closed circle. It's it's about ownership. While the worship team is about an open circle. Everybody is welcome, the young and old teacher and student worship team is about stewardship and worship ministry is about serving. The band is exclusive and for privileged group. And the band can be gender bias or prejudice like a boy band, girl band, etc, etc. The old geez, while the worship ministry is open to all generations. Right. A couple more points regarding this and with this point we concluded chapter two. We see how worship ministry has evolved through time. It was not the same like how it was in the 1920s or 50s, 60s. It's not, you know, it's evolved. Right. So that was chapter two all about. Okay, now we move on to chapter three. The actual introduction of the practical aspects of worship ministry. Okay, the practical aspects of worship ministry. Now, I'm not sure if everybody has actually taken a print out of the PDF. It's fine if you haven't no problem. But I mean, if you can, you know, it's easy to make notes, or I would encourage you from this point onwards, at least from this chapter onwards to make points in the way that you would understand because from this chapter it's going to be a lot of practical tips. Okay, how you can go about administrating and organizing your worship ministry in the place where, you know, where God has placed you or where God will place you. Okay, so and also from this point onwards, I would encourage you to feel free to ask questions. So, you know, we can make it more interactive. Okay, if you don't understand something, you know, or whatever it is, right, there's no question is a silly question. So feel free to be to interact with me. Okay, from this chapter onwards, it's very important and I, and I feel that the more questions you ask, you know, the more everybody else in the classroom will also benefit off. Okay, is that okay. Give me a thumbs up or this not zoom you can give a thumbs up. Okay. All right, so worship ministry as an introduction. Okay. First of all, it's just like any other ministry that is part of a church or an organization be the children ministry or youth ministry, worship ministry, whichever it is setting up chairs and whatnot, just like any other ministry. It's an incredible privilege and an honor to be part of a worship ministry, you know, to get to minister before God and to serve his people. It's an amazing opportunity and an honor right so let's skip that in mind. But having said that worship ministry has its own challenges. Let's be realistic as well. Okay, it has its own challenges. It's very different from worship leading. Okay, so leading a worship ministry is different than leading worship. Let's start with that. Okay, if you think worship ministry is all about just leading worship and nothing else. My friend, you are mistaken. Okay. You need to you need to have you need to have certain skills set. Okay, for example, like it says in the North's right, you need to grow in your leadership as you look at the ministry tasks or responsibilities of pastoring a team. Okay, you should highlight that if we can scheduling bands, working with your senior pastor, creating a systems that work for your church. Okay, all of this skills has to be developed and put into practice right because worship ministry in the beginning it might it might see is like oh it's worship you know we're just going to play music and sing songs and you know have fun. So it may not really feel very difficult in the beginning. I might seem all, you know, bit of roses. It's like a walk in the park. You know, it's all cool. But if you do that for a long time if you've been doing that for a period of time like I have been, you will know that worship ministry has its own set of challenges. Okay, you need to have a certain leadership qualities and skills, because you will be challenged in the worship ministry just like any ministry right worship ministry has its own set of challenges. Okay, you know, you need to lead a band, for example, see it's mentioned that you need to lead a band, the technical challenges you need to, you know, communicate with the volunteer musicians like the members of the worship teams who are entering their time who are not paid, you know, you need to communicate with the worship arts leader if you have one, you need to communicate with the sound team with the visual effects team, you know, what not the IT team if necessary. And all of that you need to remember to put a song list together you need to make sure you practice with the band you need to make sure that the band practices even when you're not there. And if that was not enough, you need to make sure that you are meeting with your pastor on a regular basis, you need to keep your pastor in the loop and other church staff members on what's happening and the congregation as well. So worship ministry is a challenging ministry. Okay, just to put that in perspective. Sometimes it can feel like a thankless task. Okay, if you ever had someone come to you, if you're a worship leader. Okay, if anybody here leads worship. If you've ever been, if there's been anybody who's walked up to you and said, you're not my favorite worship leader, not necessarily in that words. It's like, yeah, you know, I don't like the songs you choose you could have done this better you could have done that better. You know, there are chances that sometimes you can feel like it's a thankless task. It's, you know, oh man, nobody seems to appreciate what I'm doing, you know, you get to understand what I'm saying, right. It can seem like that, right. That's why we all need help. Okay, we, we all need, you know, we all need help from people around us. So, you know, our stress is reduced. You know, we, that's why we need to organize and administer it, you know, properly so that we don't have, we don't have to carry all this stress. Okay, so we need all the help we can get, you know, so that we are well prepared for worship ministry. As we lead reducing stress in areas that we can reduce stress refining our systems so that our musicians, technicians and others feel valued and cared for as we do the hard work of ministry together. Okay, so it's not a one man show. It cannot be a one man show. You need all the help you can get. Okay, so worship ministry just to summarize what we've covered so far has its own set of challenges. Right, because you are working with people, it is not like just leading worship put a five put a song list of five songs together, we worship for 30 minutes or 40 minutes, whatever and move on. It's just that is not worship ministry. There's coordination. There's speaking involved is talking communication is involved, etc, etc. Okay, so that is just a brief introduction to worship ministry. So, and as I mentioned that we all need help. You need we need to make sure like just how we make sure that our bike engines and our car engines run with proper oil and whatnot. There are four relationships that helps us. Okay, it's like oil for our engines. Okay, for the engine of your soul for your spirit. The four relationships that make or break us. Okay, I've just mentioned for it doesn't have to be an exhaustive list. Yeah, so each of the four areas of worship ministry leadership has been chosen to give you principles that you can apply. Okay, it's not a rules like it's principles, it's guidelines. Okay, so no matter the size of your church or congregation or the nature of the team or teams that you need, you can use these principles for you yourself and your team. Okay, the following four relationships, while they are not the only relationships in our life, demand our attention if we are to succeed in the task of building an effective worship ministry. Okay, so I truly believe in experience that these four relationships will help us build an effective worship ministry. Okay, let's move on to the next page, page 35. What's the first one? It's goes without saying right something that you've all you've listened and heard, you know, all the time. Our relationship with God. Okay, that's number one has to be a priority. Never compromise your secret life with God, or confuse it with your public ministry activity. Okay, never compromise your secret life with God, right. Just, if you can remember about David and David's story, when he first visits a King Saul, saying you're, you know, he wants to go and fight Goliath and Saul says you're just a boy. So how can I let you go and do this? And David says, King, when a lion or a bear took my sheep away, I would go after it and beat it and rescue my sheep. Right, so an implication being I heard someone say this, if you can kill a lion and a bear in private, God will allow you or elevate you to kill a Goliath in public. And then, you know, elevate you to become a king one day. So we don't, we don't go after secret life for elevation sake. But just to put that in perspective, you know, a secret life is important. Everything that happens on stage or outside in public ministry is an overflow. Right, you've heard this so many times, your physical health, your emotional well-being and your authority as a spiritual leader. Okay, that authority is crucial. It's very, very important. It's priceless. Okay, our authority as a spiritual leader will hinge on your capacity to cultivate your interior life with Jesus. Okay, when you look at some of the famous leaders in the Bible, okay, one of the first things that they lose after they fall in sin is their authority. Right, but God has given us the authority to trample on snakes and scorpions. But if our personal life, if our secret life with God is not in check, you know, when we lose that oil of intimacy with God, one of the first things that we will lose is our authority. Right, so that's very important. As a leader, you know, keep that in check, get on your instrument when there is no crowd to impress or lead and worship before the Lord. Not only will you taste and see the goodness of the Lord in those precious daily encounters, but you will also see your effectiveness as a worship leader grows. Okay, so your first point there is your relationship with God. Do everything in your power to make sure that is on the right track. Okay, if you have to read your Bible, do that study the Bible, whatnot. Okay, so one of the things that's helped me and I took this advice from senior pastor, you know, another pastor shared this long time ago is that give your mornings to God, your afternoons to people like the church, your work and your evenings to family. So, you know, that kind of sets things in perspective. Okay, give your mornings to God, make sure that you're quiet time with him. You read, you read the Bible, you study the Bible, you pray, pray in tongues, whatever it is you want to do, you have to do it in the mornings. For the latter part of the day, give it to people, your work, your colleagues, the people of your church, the congregation, speak with them, get in touch with them, find out how they are doing, etc. And then your evenings, you know, give your time, your undivided time for your family, your mom, your mom, dad, your children, whatever that is, right? Okay, so that's the first relationship. Make sure that your relationship with God is in check. It's in the right track. The second one is your relationship with your family, our relationship with our family. Our first church to which we must attend is our family. Being a good husband, wife, son, daughter, father, mother, or even friend is central to being a good worship leader and overseer of worship ministry. Okay, once again, I mean, these are all the points that we all are already familiar of, isn't it? We all know, but it's just there to show the importance and the significance of it. Okay, if I'm not a good son at home or a husband or a father at home, then I can't put a mask and act like I'm better in public ministry, right? Our relationship with our family, how is your relationship with your parents, you know, with your spouse, with your children, with your siblings, etc. So that is another relationship you need to pay attention to make sure, do everything in your power to keep that healthy. Okay guys, so let me just pause you quickly and ask, so is there any questions, any thoughts that you want to ask? Anything you want to add? Okay, all right. Okay, cool. I hope everybody's following. Okay, the third relationship, and this cannot be stressed enough, is our relationship with our pastor, okay, with our senior founding pastor, okay, or with your senior pastor. If you're the senior pastor, it's cool of your church, but another relationship that you have to pay attention to is your relationship with your senior pastor. Okay, one of the most vital relationships in the local church is often one of the most neglected, the relationship between worship leader and the pastor of the church. You will be amazed at how many times I've seen and I hear that there is miscommunication or misunderstanding between, you know, the pastor and the worship pastor or a worship leader simply because things was not communicated properly or what not, okay. And it falls apart and it's never a pleasant sight when that happens. Okay, God intends that a mutually cooperative unity prevailed between the senior pastor and the worship pastor. God has blessed each of us with abilities that are uniquely our own and we must be content with our gifts. So the pastor and the worship pastor are not in competition. Okay, senior pastor will have a vision for the church, okay. The vision for our church is to be the salt and light of the city of Bangalore and the nation of India and the nations. Okay, the worship pastor cannot come and say, I have my own vision. You know, I don't want to be the salt and light, I have a completely different agenda, objective. What happens when that happens? There's a clash of ideas, isn't it? There's a clash of vision. It doesn't help anybody, it hurts the church eventually, it hurts the people in the church, that's what I mean. Okay, so our pastor and the worship pastor are not in competition, should not be in competition. Each is able to contribute in areas that make the ministry more effective. Okay, so our relationship with our pastor has three important ingredients, so to speak, okay. To keep that relationship healthy. First one, respect. Okay, worship pastor needs to respect by submitting to his authority, to the senior pastor's authority, accepting the direction and the decisions of the pastor. Okay, you see the word submitting there. And one of the points that we learned from David's worship team, if you remember, was that all of the musicians were under the supervision of their fathers and their fathers were under the supervision of the king. Okay, they were submissive. Right, so same thing is applied here. Worship pastor needs to respect by submitting to senior pastor's authority, accepting the direction and decisions of the pastor. Okay, now this is not to say that you will not have disagreements with the pastor. Okay, let me be very clear about that. You might disagree with your senior pastor. Okay, but it's like saying, you know, you can disagree with me, but you can still respect. Okay, I can disagree with you, but I can still respect you. You get what I'm saying, right? So disagreement doesn't necessarily mean disrespect as well. So if you disagree, you will do that in a respectful way as well. Okay, so the pastor should show respect to the worship pastor, but you're not constantly interrupting. So if you're the senior pastor, you don't constantly interrupt and nag and, you know, enforcing certain things, methods without consideration. Okay, so there's a mutual consent, mutual respect. There's communication that is involved. Okay, so that's the first part. The second ingredient is the consideration. What does that mean? Okay, what is consideration? When the pastor and the worship leader or pastor have different ideas about what the direction the service should take, each must have consideration for the other. Okay, the worship leader should be considerate of the pastor, respecting his expertise, his experience, his vision for the church, etc. And the pastor may allow the worship leader to make mistakes due to the lack of experience and correct him or gently after the service. So consideration is you are being considerate toward one another. Okay, I understand where you want to take, you know, this is the kind of service you want to have in your church. I understand. So I will plan the worship service and whatnot according to that. And the senior pastor should also understand and allow the worship leader, the pastor, to make mistakes. It's very important to have a culture or an atmosphere or an environment where mistakes are okay, you know, it's not like you make one mistake and you are fired, you're crucified, I think like that. Okay, it's very important to have that environment, that culture where mistakes are allowed but corrected gently, you know, not publicly but in private, right? So that is the second part, consideration. You take each other into consideration. You understand pastor's vision and what he wants to do and likewise. And the third point, the third point in stressing this relationship, the pastor is communication. Okay, communicate. There is no such thing as too much communication with your pastor. Okay, can I say that again? There is no such thing as too much communication with your senior pastor or vice versa. Okay, if you're the senior pastor, there is no such thing as too much communication with your worship pastor. It's always good, always good to communicate with each other, the smallest things. World War has happened because of miscommunication, guys. Okay, how many times we have misunderstanding because of miscommunication? I thought you were going to do this so I did not make dinner. I thought you were going to buy something and come home. How many times have you experienced this? I've been there, you know, I thought you were going to buy breakfast and come. That's why I didn't make breakfast in a day and age where communication has been made so easy. Like, you know, SMS, WhatsApp, Instagram, Facebook, you can communicate however you want. So make use of all those platforms that you can communicate with each other. Okay, so that's the third point and three sub points to make sure that you have a healthy relationship with your pastor. Okay, and the fourth relationship that makes or breaks is your relationship with your team members. Okay, your relationship with your team members. Okay, and Hebrews 313, we are told to encourage one another. Okay, the same thing we see in Ephesians chapter five as well, you know, sing psalms, spiritual psalms to one another. Okay, it simply means we are to be in a community where we encourage one another. Okay, so our relationship with our team members is very crucial. Okay, our ability to maintain friction free friendships among our volunteer musicians, technicians, arts leaders and fellow worship leaders. Our relationships depend on our ability to lavishly encourage those who look to us for leadership. If you are in a place of leadership, if God has placed you in a place of leadership, it's very important that you are in constant touch with your team members and to keep encouraging them in their walk, you know, with God. If they make any mistakes, you just encourage them say, hey, it's okay, you give them constructive feedback in how they can improve and then you do that in a way that it's loving and encouraging. Okay, it's not going to go well all the time, but you do your part. Okay. We find ourselves caught up in criticism, backbiting, unspoken competition in our team members, all these unhealthy things, you know, gossip, complaining, backbiting, etc, etc. You know, but it's very important that I mean that you pray more with your worship team members with your, with the larger team overall be honest and loving at the same time. Okay, know when our team member is overextended, know when to give that person a break if that person is being leading worship for every Sunday, month after month and not taking a break. It's up to you as a leader to see all that, to recognize that as like, and say it's like, hey, you know, Siddharth or Kannan, you know, you've been, you know, been active every Sunday, been involved every Sunday and whatnot, just, you know, take a break. And, you know, when you do that, that person feels like, okay, my pastor is seeing and he's involved, he knows what, what has happened, he's involved. Now it's up to that person, if the person wants to take a break or not, it's up to them, but it's up to the leadership to acknowledge that as well. Okay, small, small things like that goes a long way. Like I said, everything is not mentioned in this point. Okay, there are so many points, there's so many small, small things that is not mentioned in this that you can do as a leader. Yeah, encourage your team members, you know, to be difficult to offend that means teach them not to get offended easily. Okay, teach them to be teachable. Right. Easy to encourage caring in the way they handle one another. And, and let me tell you guys, I mean, like I said, worship ministry is challenging. One of the reasons is simply because people are involved. And every time people are involved, it's not always easy. It's not the most smoothest right. Okay, the people are different. So there will be different ideologies, etc, etc, that can cause friction with one another. How you handle that, how you teach them to work with a work together with one another is very important. So the health of your worship team members, you know, physical, spiritual, and making sure that they are encouraged is up to you as well. So all of these four relationships, it's vital. Okay, it will make you or break you break your worship ministry or any ministry that you're part of. Okay, so what are the four ministry? Sorry, relationships. First one is your relationship with God, your relationship with your family, your relationship with your pastor, and how is your relationship with your team members. Okay. Any questions so far? Anything you'd like to add? Thomas, Kiran, Kanan. I think it's covered everything. The order is very clear. The relationship with God, the relationship with the family, the relationship with the pastor and the members. It's a very clear order. When we have a good relationship with God, only we can be able to deal with the people. In the presence of God, only the fruit of the Holy Spirit will be manifested. Patient love, long suffering, everything. Because when we're handling with the people, so many times we lose our patience. So many times we get, as you said, making a break. Both will happen for a pastor or a leader. It's very difficult. It's tricky. If you don't have a strong relationship with God, surely we will break up. But if you have the relationship with God, surely He will make us. He will build us. That's a very beautiful order of this thing. It's clear. Awesome. Thank you Thomas. Anybody else? Kandan, any questions or any thoughts? Siddharth? I would like to say about not getting offended. That's the main thing. Last week when I was in the worship team, they kind of reduced the whole volume of my mic. So I was offended. So I was trying not to be offended and stuff like that. It didn't happen. Yeah. Thanks for sharing that, Siddharth. I appreciate it for being honest. The thing is, we all get offended. Let's be realistic. We all get upset when things go, does not go the way we want it to go. But what we do after we get offended is what matters. I think we should, I mean, I would encourage you to, all of us actually to read the APC publication on pastors written on offense. It's awesome. And how this author, John Bivier, I think, John Bivier, he's written a book called Offense. It's a bait of Satan, bait, P-A-I-T. It simply means bait is what, like you use a worm to catch a fish. That's a bait. It's like you are, you know, attracting the fish to come. So offense is a bait that Satan uses, you know, to just destroy our life in many ways. So, I mean, if you want to have your team healthy spiritually, you know, teaching them to overcome offense is very important. Right? And see, like, you tell me the difference, guys. Okay. If I come, you know, I come in correct, let's say Siddharth. Okay. And I have not spent personal time with you. I have never, you know, picked up my phone and said, hey, Siddharth, how are you doing? How is your life? How is everyone? Everything okay? Is there something that I can pray for? Okay. And I've done that over time, month after week, after week, month after month. And I built that personal rapport with Siddharth. And then if I go to Siddharth and give a feedback or correct him, it will be taken, you know, hopefully positively Siddharth. Instead, when I have not built any personal rapport with him, I have not made a phone call to check on how his life is, how he is doing, how his family is doing nothing. But I just go and just because he's in my worship team, and I'm in the place of leadership, I say, hey, you know what, I did not like the way you sang, you know, et cetera, et cetera. But that feedback is not going to be taken very well. And he is going to be offended and it's going to be hard for the person to overcome. So I think it's, you need two hands to clap in a sense, right? So the leadership and the worship team members need to work together, build relationship, build rapport, make an effort. It's not to say it all comes down to the worship pastor. Worship pastor has to make the call. He has to follow up. He has to do that. Yes, he has to. But it's also nice when the worship team member also messages that pastor. We are also human beings, isn't it? And says, hey pastor, how are you doing? How is everything going all well? So there's a beautiful relationship that is being built and there's very small room for offense. It's very hard to get offended with each other, right? When the personal relationship is strong. And one of the key things that, you know, what I want to highlight here is that it's also vital that I mentioned that relationship between members of opposite sex must always be kept above a board, you know, where people keeping and respecting appropriate intimacy boundaries, both in public and in private, okay? Setting guidelines, you know, for opposite sex and how are they to behave? It's very important, isn't it? Especially in India as well, right? So those are the four relationships that make or break us in our journey. But very quickly, if I can just mention. So we've spoken about the introduction of worship ministry. We understood that there are challenges and that you need certain skills that you need to develop to be in worship leadership and ministry and four relationships that make or break us. Then now we come down to, so what should be the goals of the worship ministry? Okay, what should be the goals of a worship ministry? Okay, like a body, there are many, many paths to a worship ministry. Just as a toothache can affect the entire body, give you a migraine, but not your pain. It's amazing how something so small can dominate when pain is involved, right? So likewise, small things need to be looked after, okay? So the goals of worship ministry, once again, only three points I mentioned. It doesn't have to be three, but just three important points that I felt it's important. One is nurturing and encouraged and joyful worship ministry community. One of the goals of worship ministry is nurturing and encouraged and a joyful worship ministry community. Two is creating effective, consistent and beautiful worship environments. And finally, establishing longevity in your volunteer force of musicians, techs and leaders, okay? How can they continue to serve for a long time? It's not like, okay, I'm gonna serve for one month and take one year break. That can happen. But how do we make sure that they are not burnt out? That's basically what the third point is establishing longevity, okay? So first point is nurturing, making sure they are all nurtured with God's word and et cetera, et cetera. You're teaching them, you know? That's what nurturing is about, isn't it? And you create, second point is creating. You create a culture, you're creating an environment, an atmosphere of being consistent and that you show and you lead by example, by you being consistent, you know, and what not. So in my opinion, these three, you know, will help your worship ministry be effective and go the extra mile, okay? So we'll end here, we'll take a break. I'll stop presenting and stop the recording. And we'll be back after the breakout. See you all in 10 minutes, guys, okay? Thank you.