 Move forward and being chair of the Rochester Select Board, I find that due to the state of emergency declared by Governor Scott as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic and pursuant to addendum six. Thank you, get over 01-20 and act 92. This public body is authorized to meet electronically and we're providing public access to the meeting through the Zoom platform, which you can get access by looking at the posted warnings throughout town or going to the town website or requesting a specific email invitation from the town clerk. And... Is Frank missing the meeting tonight or something I don't see his picture? No, I just saw him. He just waved at me. Oh, okay. I guess he's just not in the row of people I saw. Or maybe he, no, I think he's in there. Oh, there he is. I'm here. There he is. Okay, there you go. Yes. Just a big group of people tonight. Sorry, pardon me. Yeah, that's all right. There's nothing else to do. It's cold and dark. What about that? All right. So before we start, does anyone have any additions to the agenda tonight? I have a request. Yep. Do you wanna speak about that? What it is? I wanna wait until we go through some of the agenda. There's not a whole lot on the agenda. So if you have a request, maybe we'll just talk about it right now, Bruce. Okay. Well, this is real quick. I'm at Pierce Hall. I'm wondering if it's okay if I get a couple of five gallon buckets of sand from the town sand pile to use in front of the front entrance there at Pierce Hall. I would think that since the town votes to waive property taxes on the Pierce Hall, that we can afford a little bit of sand to go and keep things safe out there, yeah. That's my thought. Do you guys, what do you think? Don't have a problem with it. Yeah. Yeah, this isn't for the driveway. It's just for the walkway entrance with the new black top. It's a little slick there when we do get a little bit of snow on it and we wanna keep people safe. Yeah. Absolutely. That's, I mean, we've supplied some buckets of sand to the library before too and I think that's no problem. All right, thank you. Well, thank you for asking. Yeah. I mean, we basically try to draw the line on people that are taking the town sand to make it a profit. But in this case, this is not the situation, so yeah. No, we're not making a profit. Yeah. Any other additions to the agenda? Yeah, I do. This is Norm. Norm, yeah. It's regarding skate space. I have a couple issues with the skate space. Okay. Can anybody see me or hear me? I can hear you, but I don't see you. I can't get the video, but that doesn't bother me either. Anyway, I mean- That's an extreme problem. I'm the same thing we're talking about skate space and I think what we, I had a meeting yesterday with Tony and Terry down at the rink and we all seem to concur that the water is not being held in the rink right now because there's too many cracks. And so there's been some discussion and I did some research regarding purchasing a liner for skate space to basically roll it over the macadam, which is not holding water. So the issue is we have to wait for the ground to freeze before it actually holds water. And with the global warming we have at this point, it's really kind of tough because here it is December 14th and the ground's not even frozen. Oh, it's not. So we were proposing to purchase a liner and I did some research today. I mean, it's not cheap, but I think it's an inexpensive fix and it can be utilized for several years, like three or four, depending on how well you take care of it and fold it and store it. But the price of the liner is with the shipping is $948. It needs to be 120 by 80. And I feel like we have put a lot of effort into the skate space and the school is very interested in utilizing it for their outdoor program through the winter. And I just think it's a good purchase for number one recreation, outdoor recreation during this COVID time and that it's a fairly quick fix rather than trying to fix the macadam which doesn't hold water. It works through the three seasons but doesn't work anymore as an ice rink. So I would like to have that, you know, discussed and hopefully decided this evening because I'd like to pull the trigger and get this liner before we flood it. To the budget for it. Yeah, I talked to Julie earlier today about how much has been spent on the skate space line item. We got 2,800 budgeted. We're planning on spending $1,800 on whoever plows the snow off the skate space. So in theory that gives us just enough we would have 1,000 left over. We haven't spent a penny yet this year. We were expecting to have a little bit of an expenditure with the electrical but Mark Blaine the electrical guy gave us a big break. We spent $500 last year on him and then he finished the project this year and did not charge us any extra. So the electrics in we have 1,000 left over if we if our contract with the plower remains the same as last year. And that is actually another item on our agenda. We'd like to talk about is Tony. You know, what can we do about Tony's situation? But but in theory, yes, we do have just enough in the skate space budget. All right. I had a discussion with Bonnie born as well today and she is well aware that school uses the skate space quite a bit and it would like to utilize it for their winter recreation program. The skates that I donated are there in the warming hut ready to use for anybody but it she seemed to think that she could come up with some funds in that in that direction to get this utilized and usable. It just, I feel like it's really important we've gone this far and to have it fail, you know through the winter because it doesn't hold water. Once it freezes, it actually holds. It's just really getting the ground to freeze and everything to work right. I think I would really like to thank Mark Blaine for that endeavor. He put in, I know we put in at least two and a half days of work and he charged us $500 including the LED lights that will save us money. It'll save the school money by, you know getting rid of the old lights. And it's a professional job. I'm really thankful for him. I'm also very thankful for Terry Severy who has offered to help. He concurs that this liner is a good idea because he's struggling every time they pour the water down there and it pours out, they're just not, they're not happy about having to come back. So he said, this is the best idea. And he will help unload the thing because it's gonna be heavy. You know, it's gonna be on a pallet, et cetera. On the Tony Pagefront, I have worked with him and I prefer to work with him because he knows how and what's going on down there. But it really, I know there's a difficult scenario where the workman's compensation is kind of in the way. And I've tried to kind of end run and talk to Bonnie about that. She is now seeing about it through the school but the money would come through the town which is very complicated. I don't need to get into it there but I prefer to work with Tony and that's just my two cents because he knows what's going on here. Dean, how long would it take to get this liner like if you ordered it tomorrow? Well, I emailed the guy yesterday and then I called again today because we re-measured, Tony helped me re-measure. I thought it was 60 by 80, it's actually 120 by... So the numbers changed a little bit. It's $700 for the liner and $249 for the shipping. They could have it here probably the day before Christmas. And we're gonna miss this cold snap. We should have done this a month ago but it is what it is and I'd like to get it in the pipeline to actually have ice this winter. Well, it seems to me that if there's still money in the recreation budget that would cover this and haven't been spending a lot this last year it's really the recreation department that can make that decision to spend the money on the liner. Does that make sense to you guys? It does. Yeah, I'm a member of the recreation committee and I think it's a good idea, but that's just my two cents. Yeah, money fair, I don't think that is a problem. I'm gonna save hassle and time and eventually money for everyone. I mean, to not have to refill the rink a couple of times a year right there is a big saving. So how long would the liner last Dean, do you know? Well, they recommend because they're the company that sells them to change the liner every year but she said if you basically care for it and roll it out and fold it up you probably can get three or four years out of it. And so I'm thinking we could also patch plastic if we had to but it's one of those things where the cracks just the water pours out. If there's a liner there and it's nine mil I guess you can spend the extra money to get this string into it and we don't have that budgeted but I really think it's probably the best idea to solve the winter problem down there. And then down the road we maybe pop for a little better liner and just use that every year instead of trying to fix the macadam which is really expensive. This liner is made especially just for hockey rinks. It's got like a mesh reinforcement it's not just like a tarp or like a painting liner it's got reinforcement and it's white which I'm looking forward to it. It's gonna reflect the sun instead of absorbed that we have sort of a darker surface, natural surface at skate space but if it's white I think the ice quality yes will really hold up. So we could just make this you know if we have the budgeted money norm we could just make this executive decision. We'll do it. We just wanna run by you guys. Yep. No it's good to know it's going on. I appreciate that. And I think that it sounds like a practical solution. All right. Well that brings us to the next issue which is Tony you know he's sort of ready to go. You know he's been working there five years but now we got this little squeeze with the workman's comp and apparently doing Tony talk to you a little bit and then you were trying to figure out some way. I don't know. He talked to me a little bit and then I talked today to the auditor for the town and it's the truth of the matter is is that anyone that works for the town is required to have workers' compensation and it's basically Tony doesn't have now. And so that's led to I've had a conversation with someone else that does have workers' compensation that we would be willing to take on that project. So it's kind of frustrating that the rules as they are kind of are shouldering out the local, the little guy that wants to kick in and help but you know we've it's we're past the point of just looking the other way and saying, oh, don't worry about it because now we will end up paying that. So our $1,800 budget for maintaining the rank would double because of that's the estimated cost of the workers' comp for that. So I'm working on and I believe we have someone that could fill that role that would satisfy those requirements. Okay, would you be able to name that person at this point? Ms. John Gorton who I believe has got the contract with the school for dealing with their sidewalks because he's got the workers' comp and he's taken that contract. And it's actually on the agenda tonight to talk about that with the town sidewalks and the conversation he's been having with the Mike Ketchum who currently holds the contract for doing the town sidewalks and the possibility of taking that over from Mike. Yeah, I was playing phone tag with John a little bit and I wanted to talk to him about it as well. He did mention over our entry machine that he's not going to be able to, he's got, like you say, he would have town contracts and I also believe he also has a few... Yeah, he bought the driveway and stuff too. Yeah, he said it wouldn't be the first on his list but he would get it the day of a storm but it wouldn't be the first thing. The first thing you'd have to deal with the sidewalks and then the driveways but he would commit to dealing with it the day of a storm. Okay, getting back to Tony, one final question about Tony is would there be sort of a creative way to hire him onto the town and get the workman comp that way but limit his income? You know, whether it's some sort of hourly basis or like I don't know how you could... It would have to be a creative way to limit his income to $1,800 yet still somehow... It's not that... Unfortunately, it's not that easy to kind of work around these requirements. Does he have to be a full timer? Taking on another town employee is a big step. That's why we contract these out for these smaller jobs. I mean, if we're going to do that, then we would, you know, we're going to be able to do that. I mean, I just thought of having the town road crew deal with the sidewalks and they pretty much have their hands full as it is. I was just wondering if you could have like a part-time, you know, a part-part-time guy, but apparently it sounds like full-time or there's like an hourly... that there's a requirement for the amount of work that they put into the town. So I think we can answer that question exactly. We do have other people that are, that are work for the town in different capacities like Terry, Savry will step in and he'll run a plow now and then if they need to. And we've also are putting in place another person to take Terry's place down the road that will be a town employee. We've kind of got enough guys going that way. So I think we're good there. And we just had a similar discussion about subcontractors for maintaining our buildings, the chimneys and the painting and all that. And we made the decision with those people that they would have to have workers compensation. So I think that decision is kind of made across the board for us. It's once we or there would be 12 different employees that could come in. So am I understanding that if they're a town employee, their workman's compass is kind of included, paid for by the town. But if they're like a subcontractor... They're required to have their own. Okay. I wanted to make sure I understood that correct. Thank you. In years past, I mean, I'm a contractor. I've never been a... Actually, you cannot get workman's compensation for yourself as a sole proprietor. Yes, you can. I do it. I do it for David. There is an option where you can get a form from the state of Vermont that you are exempt from having workers compensation. But that has been, let's say, eliminated for like municipal somewhere, someone sued somebody and won, which takes that whole concept off the table. Well, that's unfortunate. It is. All right. Well, I guess that is a decision has been made. And the going forward, I guess John needs to, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, I've pretty much learned the ropes here. And it's, it's, as Tony has said, he said, you know, I put it in a lot of time here and it's, it's, it's good. It's good ice. It's made, you know, he does his, his time into it. But there's a lot of, you know, innuendo of creating ice. You got to really, you know, it's not just. There's a snow blower down there. We ended up starting it yesterday, et cetera. So I guess moving forward, I need to get hold of John and, you know, kind of go through the ropes and he may go, whoa, like, you know, I'm doing this for 1800, you know, like, yeah, this is not a done deal yet. We're still in negotiations. We're still in negotiations with no contract signed here. So. Okay. You know, I just know what it takes and then it's, it's more. It's, it's hard dealing with the, you know, the, the weather basically, that's what it, it boils down to. We can get it flooded. If we have a liner, then it's just. Seizing the moment of, if there's a thaw, there's a lot to it. I don't know how to do it. You know, I like to be informed. I've been doing it for, for 25 years and. You know, I've plowed it, et cetera, for no charge. You know, there's, there's a lot that goes on to it. And, and Tony seemed to have a handle on it and wanted to do it. But. Here we are. So, you know, I don't know how to get around that. It's just unfortunate. So that's, that's it up for me. I don't need any more time on this thing. Do you have any more norm? I'm thinking good. But you guys are going to order the liner. We shall. Yeah, I'm going to pull, I'll pull the trigger tomorrow morning. And we'll get it delivered. And I, Terry. When he was down there, he was the most amenable I've ever. Been with him in terms of, oh, I can get guys down here. We can unload it. And, you know, he was. He was all over it. And I was really, really happy to hear. It'll be less work for them. Right. In the long run. Yeah. Right. So I think it's a good move in that direction. And it'll get used. We just have to, you know, kind of train. John or whoever's going to do it in a way that. You know, you've got to listen to the weather and listen to. You know, the people that. That have done it before. So. Yeah, I would like to talk to John when, when it's all said and done or whoever's doing this. Project. Yeah. Well, it's wonderful to look down the hill from my house and see people using it in the winter, because a lot of people do use it and they do enjoy it and it's an asset. To the, to the town. So I'm glad that. That it looks like a liner couldn't, can be purchased and everything. Great. We're hoping for a big year this year. Everybody's all hold up in their house and play come out and skate. Well, I was going to say, particularly, as you mentioned, particularly this year, their people are looking for something to do. And this is something that won't, won't cost them any money. And it'll be fun and good for them. Right. Right. I agree. And I, I appreciate that. And I appreciate your donation way long ago, Martha. Well, well, it was a, it was a, you know, I've been paid back a lot just by looking down and seeing people having a good time. Let me tell you. Okay, so I guess there's no more additions to the agenda. Just talk about the minutes from, oh wait, Jeff, did you have an addition to the agenda? Yeah, I was just going to say that. Yeah, Jenette bear has contacted me. She's looking at replacing some of the light fixtures in the library. I'm looking at, I'm going to go down to the library and make an appointment to take a look there because I need to draw up a map of things and see whether the, the light post is actually going to do the job. I've got a little bit of a concern about that. The other component of things I've been doing and actually Frank attended to we attended the tri town municipal energy committee's first meeting set up by. To represent a creature regional commission doesn't appear like they have the budget to continue playing with us this next year. So they set it up and we decided to meet monthly rather than quarterly. Scott Gillette is the Hancock representative Matt Coran down in Pittsfield and myself I got settled with chair and. And thank you, John for the file on the. EV chart so. i'm done with my career in two weeks and should have a little bit of time to start pouring into our buildings and. Inactivate. Congratulations on your retirement. How are you here I come. Our town leadership. All right. And anyone else have anything they wanted to add the agenda tonight. Then I think we'll move on to Joe and have you got any updates for us tonight. Yeah, I do got a few. Okay. So first item is we got a letter from timber homes, which is the firm from first year that built our new parks, civilian and the kiosk and they're reporting that kiosk and some other location, sometimes the last that they installed some time between 2015 and now had a post fail and I guess it was kind of. bit of a scare for them so letters out all their people that they did installations for since 2015, which includes us asking us to check our for that. check our posts by digging down a foot around each one and looking for rock because apparently that was the problem with the post. And they want us to report back and let them know what we found, whether we didn't find any, which would be great, or if we see any concern and if there is any cause for concern, then they have a couple solutions that aren't totally replacing the post on their own, but helping us do that. So I just let them know that we weren't ignoring them, but I would be able to dig down a foot at this point. So what was the name of the place timber frames, did you say timber homes, timber homes, I'm sorry, is it all a word. Yes, I believe so. Thank you. This is the kiosk at the new the river park, the North Park there. Yeah, and I asked him specifically whether it was just the kiosk and not the pavilion and he says he didn't exactly answer the question directly, but. I believe it is because the pavilion there, their concrete putters. Oh, right, right in the ground, so it's. Good point. Yeah, so anyway, it's something that we need to remember in the spring just make sure everything's kosher there. Next is I'm setting up a zoom meeting. I think you saw my my emails about this for reviewing the preliminary plans and the cost estimate for the West Hill bridge design. I think I told you also, but if I didn't they're a bit behind on their schedule. I've been touched in touch with them since mid November or so. I read it earlier saying, guys, you know, understand that these are unusual times and, you know, maybe your personnel is having a hard time keeping up with things whatever just to let us know what was happening. So we knew what our time frame is and making sure it's not going to be an issue with anyone, especially the forest service and doesn't appear to be I, you know, Brian is aware of it also. But anyway, they have finally submitted their plans and their cost estimates, which I forwarded to all of you. And I guess Pat will be in on a review zoom meeting that I'm scheduling looks like it's probably going to be prior to Christmas since no one wants to do it between Christmas and New Year's but anyway. Joan, I'm sorry I didn't quite hear you. What's the name of the project that this was for. It's the West Hill bridge design. Okay, thank you. And, you know, I looked at the plans and the cost estimates myself and frankly I don't really have the engineering chops to be able to make any comments myself. So, you know, I be relying on Brian's comments which I'm not sure. Did I send that to you. I have it. I have it. Okay. I have it to Joan. Okay, good. I couldn't remember if I had done them now. So Brian's comments are primary. He didn't seem to have any comments specifically on the engineering part of it. But he's very concerned about the cost estimate he thinks it's it's about it's more than $200,000 more than what we estimated. Of course it's just a preliminary cost estimate but he's got some it's about how to reduce the cost of it is I think he thinks there's a certain amount of over build in the design, which can be paired back so he'll be bringing all that up at this zoom meeting. And then we have the next couple of weeks and we'll learn more about that. Meanwhile, I think with the change of administration he's going to have the ability to go back to the Federal Highway Administration which is funding the the would be funding the construction part of it, because we never actually got a confirmation that we were awarded that that grant and that's something that Brian needs to follow up on but that also has to do with finding more money. If we need it to do the construction when that time comes one of the things he's also recommending and this isn't a given yet but just so you know he's suggesting that there might be some quite a bit of money saved if the construction was delayed by a year. And I'm not. I don't fully understand what is reasoning and he's talked about the Forest Service ran down a temporary bridge and the Forest Service has in their possession, believe it or not, a temporary bridge that they lend out to projects up and down the Green Mountains. So, I think that's what he's referring to is that we wouldn't have to go out and get rent a temporary bridge because they own one. So if we waited, they could get their own back and we wouldn't have to spend money $150,000 and rent a temporary bridge and rent a temporary bridge. So, it would be like 30, 35. So, I think that's what that means, John. Yeah. Okay, I just want to ensure what the connection was to delaying it for a year where the savings is there but I guess we'll find out. Everybody has a bridge in their back pocket but the the one we bought after Irene. Okay. All right, so more on that in a couple of weeks. Let's see. I have just learned that as expected, the Federal Highway Administration has chosen the Bethel Mountain Road project for an audit. We were warned right up front that given the magnitude of the cost and the project itself that we could expect to be a project that they would choose to audit. That's gotten underway. They call it a Compliance Assessment Program review. And so far, there's nothing needed from the town. They're just collecting some documents from two boys and king. So... So this continued to delay the reimbursement? I haven't been told that's the case. I'm chasing, believe it or not, still chasing that down. Deborah Pierce, the trans person. And, you know, she apologized. She said that a lot of the delay has been caused by COVID issues, COVID related issues. Delay the audit due to COVID issues too. It's hard to audit something that you haven't been paid for yet. Yeah, yeah. You could try that, Pat. I don't know. So anyway, I'll just keep you informed and hopefully they will not be asking us very much for very much paperwork or maybe nothing at all. We'll see. Well, you're pretty hopeful. You better believe it. I think I've got enough of that right now from the feds. All right. Last but not least is we need to talk about how we can try to move forward the Mount Cushman Colvert replacement. Frank is very much up to speed on this and has been involved with it lately. Our issue has been with the landowner there, Judith Bond, who after a lot of discussions and meetings with her both in person and phone calls, et cetera, has just basically shut it all down. We got her to a point where she was willing to sign the temporary and the permanent easements and let us move ahead with the project. But then she never signed them. And when we asked her about, she said, I'm not going to. And that's the answer. So... She's adamantly opposed to it. So I don't know where our repercussions are. I'm at the point where I think that probably the best thing to do is leave it and let it lie. Hopefully we can get the funding back for that after it expires. It does expire at the end of 21, but that she doesn't even want to talk. So I don't see how we can move forward with it personally. Frank, you asked me to talk to Cricket. Yes, I did. There was any change in the design that possibly could be done that would allow us to just do the work within the town right away. And not require her consent to cross the property and so on. Oh, I had a long conversation with Cricket about it. And I'll try and summarize it quickly for you. The bottom line is basically, at first she thought, well, maybe it would work. We could short the color, but with more thought as we kept talking, it became pretty clear that it's just not feasible. Yeah, I didn't think it would be, Joan. I just thought we should ask. Sure, no, it was a good thing to ask. And I'll be glad to, if you want me to run through the reasoning that we work through, or if you just want to know what the bottom line is, that's it. Basically, it would be more expensive because with a shorter culvert, you'd have to do a lot of concrete work for wing walls and the head walls. And it would be a difficult site because of the ledge. It's a very unique design to begin with. And was that guy on my screen? Oh, no, I'm doing your back. I don't know. There was some funny... Anyway, one thing we thought and it may not be possible but maybe she would be willing to just sell her land on that side of the road. We'd have to get both sides of Mount Cushman Road. Both of those parcels of land are not very much. I don't know, maybe six acres, if that much less. She won't even discuss that. Yeah, well, just thought it was a good thing to ask. I don't know. She won't even discuss that. Yeah, well, just thought it'd throw it out there. Good try. Yeah, so the parting thing with Cricket is she did say that that particular culvert, well, it's not in great shape. It's not an imminent failure. Certainly it over tops the road every time we have a big storm and that's kind of a pain for the road crew to go back and fix it every time. But it's not dangerous yet anyway. But her concern is that our long-term plan or really mid-term plan is once that Mount Cushman culvert is finished, then we go to the one on Middle Hollow, the next one down. And from there, the next one down is West Young and that needs to be done as well. Those are all, you know, close together. And very concerned, especially about the Mount, sorry, the Middle Hollow culvert. That one is in really bad shape. And, you know, we did some temporary repairs as part of the Bethel Mountain Road Project, but they're pretty temporary. It's just a highly erodible spot. And of course, it's a much more traffic road. So there's a concern about, we could take a pause on Mount Cushman, but still got issues downstream that need to be dealt with. Is that the one by the McIntyre property or are you talking to one? Down in the gully on the turn, below the- All just below the Cushman road. Right, right. Yeah, not that far away. And it's just, it is a mess still, even with the temporary repairs. I could know whether you thought it would be worth, sorry, Pat, go ahead. I can have any thoughts about re-routing the Cushman road up through Cooper Run. Yeah, that's really a town discussion more than for her. I've walked it, she walked in with her this summer. It would need a fair amount of work. Yeah. That section passes the leathers, and then going down the other way. But yeah, I could just close the lower end of Mount Cushman and say, okay, guys, your access is now from Cooper Run. That would probably still be a temporary fix, but it could give us more time, year, a few years or whatever it took to resolve- John's opposed to that, because there's no place to turn around. Oh yeah, oh, you're right, right. Oh, they really wouldn't be able to do that. He didn't feel, so. Because she owns everything on that low side, on both sides of the road. So, you can't make a part of it. Passes Stevenson's, yeah. So, that would be a problem. So, I just want to think about on this one. I hate to give up that funding, but I don't see how we can go. I don't want to go through eminent domain on something like this. I mean, I think that ties up a lot of money that we don't really need to spend, and I think we just let it lie for a while. I think that's my best thought on that. The only other thing I could suggest is if maybe you want to just have a chat with the town attorney and see if he has any advice, and he might very well have the same conclusion as you, Frank, but just a thought. Another thought I had on that, John, would that's through the White River partnership a lot of the funds, right? Is that correct? Most of it actually is from our structures grant, and that was providing is the match. All right, I was thinking that maybe White River partnership might have a better pull with her than a town person. No. Because it's a waterway. I know, I wouldn't think so. Okay, just a thought. Yep, all thoughts are good because we're running out of them. I know, I think we just got to pile it for a while. Believe it. So that money runs out at the end of 2021? The structures grant expires at 2021, and WRP is checking on theirs. They have, their money is coming from two pots. One is from another small, it's a watershed umbrella organization statewide that gives out grants. And they're pretty sure that they can roll that one over or just come back later on. Hopefully they'll still have that grant program going. The other one is because of the fish passage aspect of that culvert, they have some money from, I think it's US Fish and Wildlife Service. And of course you never know from one year to the next what their funding is like, but that's been fairly steady for the past number of years. So I haven't heard anything definitive back. I imagine they could probably come up with money for not looking too far in the future. Yeah. So we've got some time to make a decision on it anyway. So let's think through it and go from there. Okay, so that's all I've got. That's a good mouthful. Thank you, Joan. Yeah. So on to the other, the item on the agenda was the topic of dealing with the town sidewalks and snow removal and salting to the sidewalks. And I have not talked with Mike Ketchum, but I have talked with John Gorton who brought this up to me that he had had a conversation with Mike that it indicated that he might be interested in letting that contract go. And there's a couple issues with that one is the machine that John has is a little bit wider than what we specified. He's got a 72 inch wide machine, but he was willing to buy a smaller snow blower to deal with the points in town where there are choke points where that physically wouldn't work. And then he would be willing to deal with any damage that it did, like I know a few years ago and Harvey's did it, they used a truck. And then actually we did it some back when Tony was trying to do it and couldn't pull it off. And then some people volunteered with trucks to clear out. And it would be a little bit wider than what the sidewalk was, but it got the job done. And that was, you know, I guess it's not a done deal but I just thought we should talk about it and see if that would be something that would be acceptable to have a slightly wider machine dealing with sidewalks. June, if we have a storm before any decision gets made on this, does the town crew clean the sidewalks? Right now, Mike Ketchum has the contract to deal with it. Yeah, even though it hasn't come into play yet this year. So that's why this would be, if there was going to be a change made, this would be a good time to make it because it's really before the verge of happening, but not yet. So if I worded this for the paper, you talked with John Gorton about possibly taking over the snow removal contract from Mike Ketchum, who has done it in the past, or how would that be worded? Put it that way, you know. Okay. Yeah, I think John Gorton is Four Seasons property maintenance and Mike Ketchum is Music Mountain property maintenance. So that would be the way to put it, yeah. So John Gorton is Four Seasons. Four Seasons. And Mike Ketchum is Music Man, you said. Yeah, yeah. Doon. Yeah. Have you talked with Kutter about it? I have not yet. No. The year that they decided to use the bobcat and the problems that extended with having the wider plowing, you might want to talk to him just about the damage that was done to the grass on either side of the sidewalks. Yeah, we could ask him Wednesday night because he should be coming to the budget finance meeting. He's coming to the budget meeting Wednesday night. So yeah, we could, yeah, Mike said, this is not a done deal. This is just FYI and then just, you know, start the conversation and see what. But I believe that John did, has taken the contract for dealing with the school sidewalks. Yeah. So he's kind of moving in that direction. Jeff. Oh, I'm unmuted. Okay. There you go. On Wednesday, there is a webinar on equipment for electric mowing. I will ask about anything that could handle snow blowing as well as there's a PDO on that kind of equipment. So again, just Wednesday, there's this thing about it and I'll check that out as well. All right, thank you. So I just thought we should, you know, talk about it. And I think you're right, Nancy's bringing up with Cooter and see what his thoughts are about it. I mean, when they were using the big truck to deal with the big sidewalks, that was a little, that was extremely old ago, but it did the job. And anyway, we can, we can talk about this more Wednesday night. Maybe we'll have more information. No, that's good. Have you talked to John about Common? Dune? John Gordon or Cooter? John Champion. Not yet. He could tune in with Dune at the town office. Dune? Yeah. I asked Cooter if he had been asked about coming to Wednesday's meeting. And I invited him to come to the town meeting and he said he would attend. Okay, great. Thank you. At three o'clock. Yes. Great, yeah. All right. So we've had a kind of a bouncing around agenda tonight. So let's talk about the minutes for the last meeting. Our additions to the agenda kind of went forward and just talked about them. So you can set us up. So I didn't have any corrections to the minutes. I only saw one tiny type. Oh, really? Just a few lines in. It says Dune called at 6 p.m. It just needs to put the word meeting in there. Oh, okay. Call meeting at 6 p.m. Other than that, it all looks fine to me. I agree. I'd move to approve with that, edit that modifications. And I second it. All in favor. All right. All right. Great. Thank you. It kind of a light agenda tonight. I've got just a couple of things, just an update. I called the magic brush again and he's still going to stop. And I talked with Mike Eremol again and he's willing to start either, maybe not next week, but it'll be, it depends on another job. If that falls through, then he would, he would like to start maybe in a week or so at the chimney. Oh, doing the chimney on the town office. Right. Okay. So Mike Eremol. That price he quoted us as good through spring. Okay. So I'll just call him back and give him the okay to do it. It was Mike Eremol. You said it was going to do it. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. It's got a small chimney job he needs to do in Waitsfield this next week. And then if this other job falls through, which he thinks it probably will, then he'd be getting started on the town office. All right. And we're still awaiting decisions on how exactly things are going to work with the town meeting, correct? We're going to participate in a, I think it's a webinar, Julie, on Thursday to hear about Australian ballots. Yes. So Frank, you're going to do that too, right? Yes. I'll join in with you on that. Okay. We're trying to figure out where we have to go. We've got a list of questions posed to them on how we need to proceed. And they haven't gotten back to us on that yet, but we might be able to get that on Thursday. So we'll have more information on how we approach the town meeting. This is the Secretary of State's office that is doing this meeting. Okay. We'll figure it out. All right. Well, I'm ready for dinner. Is that enough for everybody? Yeah. All right. Thank you all for coming and have a good evening. Thank you, everybody. All right. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. See you tomorrow. Yeah.