 Welcome to Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill, your go-to podcast for the most cutting edge insights in functional medicine and integrative medicine. I'm Dr. Jill, your host, and each episode will dive into the heart of healing and personal transformation. Whether you're a healthcare professional, a patient navigating your path to wellness or passionate about health and healing and transforming your own life, this podcast is for you. If you like this video, be sure and hit like. And if you want to hear more, just hit subscribe below. Now, without further ado, today on the podcast, we're going to be talking about EMFs and artificial lighting and how it might be affecting your health. This is a topic I find so many patients have questions about, and many, many patients have no idea what it's doing to our health. So let me introduce our guest. Chris is a functional diagnostic nutrition practitioner who focuses on coaching clients to implement lifestyle and strategies to improve their health, including helping them identify and remove toxicity in their indoor living and working environments, especially in the areas of air, water, lighting, EMFs, and chemicals. He has a personal health journey with heavy metal toxicity due to mercury amalgam fillings as a young adult with EMF sensitivity affecting his daily life. Chris played an important role in forming safe technology groups which help the public to connect with EMF experts. All the way from Australia. Welcome, Chris. I'm so glad to have you on the podcast. Thank you, Dr. Gilletts. Yeah, privilege and a pleasure. Yeah, you're very well known around the world. So to have the privilege of being interviewed by you is something quite special for me. So thank you. You are welcome. And so, as always, I always want to hear your story. And it's interesting because you're outside for a reason and I want to talk about your story, your journey, and how you really got to be such an expert. We met through another doctor that we did a podcast with or a training program, I think. And I really, as we were talking, realized what a wealth of knowledge you have been and a lot of it is through your own story. So do you want to start by just telling us a little bit about your journey and how you started realizing that EMFs and lighting and all these things were having an effect on your own health? Yeah, my story goes back to when I was a teenager, I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease when I was 18 and sort of went down the conventional route and found more holistic therapies. I had major surgery for Crohn's so it was quite a huge, I guess, pivotal moment changing me from my course of direction. I was trained to be a teacher and I just went off on another course after that. So it's interesting when you talk about lighting because in a few decades down the track, I actually became a lighting salesperson. So I sold lighting into electrical, electrical wholesaling institutions. Then I, as I became a health practitioner, came across the work of Dr. Jack Cruz and learned about light. And so my journey, I sort of gone back to thinking, when I went back to the UK, why did I get sick so quickly? And I actually got a job in a factory as a shift worker. So I was under fluorescent lighting for 10, 12 hours. I didn't get to bed to light midnight, most nights. And then I did that for six months. Then I moved into the British winter and went to uni and didn't get light when you woke up or I was indoors. So yeah, it just changed my whole physiology and chemistry. And I think that was a major contributor. Can you still hear me? Can I hear you? Yeah, cool. Yeah, that's great. So as far as like the journey of coming into the lighting and the EMF side, I was a little bit further down the track like 10 years later when I decided to study FDN, which is functional diagnostic nutrition and came across Sandeep and people like yourself and did the whole health coaching thing. But there was, I came across Dr. Jack Cruz in 2017, I think it was. And I was like, how come this light story has not been told in any of the courses that I've had. So I got all the books that he recommended. I did dive into that. And at the time in my work, I actually worked as an insurance agent as well, all indoor under fluorescent lighting on laptop. And I lost my vision quite badly when I was 28 and had prescription glasses for about a decade. And I was before I came to Jack Cruz's work, I was like, I probably need to go back to the optometrist to get a new script. And you know, I dipped into Jack's stuff like just went over three hours, three or four times. And his takeover was pretty simple. It was like ground in the morning, watch the sunrise and wear blue blocking glasses at night. And I did that. And probably six, eight weeks later, I could my vision had improved to such a degree that I could read without glasses, I tossed them away. And that was the journey with that. That was a light start. That was a start with the lighting. And then a year later, the EMF part came around when I went to Melbourne, Victoria for 10 days, and all my auto auto immune symptoms flat out. I could walk or sleep, joint pain. And then just in this journey, obviously these people, when you're ready, the experts sort of come to you. And I was introduced to Cyril Burke, who's pretty much an expert worldwide expert, consulting with Nicole and Nick Penult. And got his number from a friend. And I'll zoom with him in the middle of Melbourne going, mate, I'm just so ill, what's happening? So he sent me all the way back to learning about the electrification of the power grid, all the way through to today's stuff. So I got a good understanding and knowledge from him. And then working with Dr. Sandip Gupta, he'd do more research into mold and viruses and EMF. And we built the ENFs, made simple course. So there's a bit of probably a bit of gaps in between that we need to fill in. But that's really the journey, which is a crazy one. Well, it's so interesting because we talked because I had Crohn's back at 25. And it was interesting, we had that similarity. And I think the big takeaway that I want to dive in today is our environment matters so much to our health. And I think a lot of people are kind of obliviously walking around, not realizing that they're office building, their high rise in the city, or their EMF in their home, or their dirty electricity, there's so many different sources of things that affect ourselves, that we don't see. And so we're like, Oh, it can't be that big a deal, right? But the truth is, this is very science based. And if anything, I think this is one of those areas that you almost need to be an electrical engineer, to really understand sometimes the wavelengths and all that. I won't claim to be an expert. But maybe let's talk first about what are some of the sources of electromagnetic frequency that could be affecting someone's health that they may not know about, kind of give like a basic break. Yeah, I think I try to, yeah, I'm not electric, electric, sorry, I must have cut out there. No worries. Start with an electrical engineer because we can just cut out. Yeah, I'm not an electrical engineer, but I try and diffuse it down to the average layman's term. So essentially, a lot of people I find concerned about towers, 5G, things around them, and rightly so. But most of the time, they're getting polluted by their own devices. So I find, I'm sorry. Okay, I heard you great. My mobile phone, Wi-Fi, tablet, generally their own devices are the things that they're getting most exposure to because they're also close to them. So they've got them in a hand in the pocket, they're within meters. And generally, those devices, if you look at the manufacturer's specifications, the people use them outside of the manufacturer's specifications, not even supposed to hold it against your ear, it's not tested against the body. So we're creating, yeah, that cellular mitochondrial stress. So I try to educate people firstly, if they're going to use phones, how to turn off the antennas on their phone. A lot of the time, I don't realize that the old iPhone, it'll just start to connect automatically when you have to go to your settings to turn it off. And then Wi-Fi, if you can, at least turn it off at night. And then if you're a little bit more sensitive or sick, I have like mobile illness, I like them the hard wire, they're in a net connection with ethernet cable. I want a very clean, a cleaner zone. Because you can hardwired ethernet everything. You can do iPads, you can do phones. Let's talk real quickly specifics, because I think this is so important. First of all, iPhones or phones, iPhones are the most common, but any sort of phone that you have, you're talking go into the setting. And what I learned, if your phone is actually getting less bandwidth, it's going to put out more signals to try to get it, right? So if you're in an area where the bars for your signals, like one, you're going to have a lot more radiation. So is that the time when you should turn that off? What's a real practical step that someone could do with their phone, like walk us through that? Where would you go? Sorry, I mentioned that's super choppy. Yeah, that's the time you really need to not use it as a phone. Text is better. Text is less radiation, it's quicker. It's just a little pin. But yeah, make sure you're making calls where there's full bars as much signal as you can. Most of my clients, I get them to set up an old home phone at home, like a fixed phone. Right, the old fashioned way, which we all used to. Yeah, the old fashioned way. So that's what I do. But yeah, just making sure you're aware that, and people are putting their phones in Faraday bags and things like that. So look at all cases. I'm like, don't cover it. Don't put it in anything that's going to amplify its signal, because it's constantly trying to omit to the tower. I had a client who, sorry, turning the phone off. So we just had to turn it off, power it off. And then she reported back two or three days later saying she was actually dreaming again. So I don't want devices in the bedroom. I want them off and away from you. So that's virtually the EMF hygiene where things are off at night. Yes. And the advanced part of that is sometimes I get the client, if they're really ill, to turn off the power of their bedroom if they can. Yeah, we've talked about that, where you just have a power switch wired so that you can turn off. Ideally, sometimes in your, exactly. Now you mentioned wired, so and what I was surprised at is, I don't know if you have this in Australia, but we have the Sonos wireless sound system. And because the high fidelity of sound, I found when I did my meter to check for the EMFs, it was so high, higher than anything else in my condo, was the frequency coming from those wireless speakers. So yeah, you want to wire those and you want to. Yeah, you can wire them or you can also ask if you're going to buy them, ask to get ones that you can switch the Bluetooth off, you know, then you can wire them up. So it's a consumer still has the power in the hands if they ask the right questions. I guess the question was, you know, what are the main pollutants? So mainly your devices from a wireless or microwave radiation perspective. Other things are, you know, just the electrical field from wiring and, you know, maybe sitting, if your office has like a meter box, the power box outside of you, you're getting a magnetic field. So it all just is contextual to your, how you have your house set up. But electrical field's interesting because, you know, again, we're all concerned about 5G and high frequency, the lower frequency band just through electrical fields coming from wiring. I mean, 50 hertz, this PubMed study showing 50 hertz can reactivate Epstein bar. It's crazy. 50, you guys have 60 hertz, I think. Is it 60 hertz or 50 hertz? You got 60 at 110. We've got 50 hertz at 240 here in Australia. But we find, you know, when people do that cutoff switch and can sleep without power, it's like going back to the earth, you know. It is. I was trying to clue is asking them, if you go out camping or you're sleeping on the ground, do you sleep better? How do you feel? That feels to me like always because they're outside the house, they're in nature and they're, or if they're walking barefoot somewhere, often people are feeling better when they're on vacation, but they're just outdoors walking barefoot on the beach away from Wi-Fi. And it really does. Would you say sleep is the biggest thing you see as far as effect? What's some of the biggest symptoms? I mean, sleep also like brain fog and just the ability to think straight. You remember, like, it's good you mentioned that grounding because that grounding is I think 7.83 hertz. We work on a very low low frequency. And for example, comparatively, like the 2.5 gigahertz on the router is 25 billion hertz a second, comparative to your brainwaves, which are like 6 to 10 hertz. You're going to have some. And I guess from like a quantum aspect or just electrical aspect, it's so it's negatively, sorry, it's positively charged electrons, right? Like it's adding positive charge to your electrons where we want want to be harvesting negative charge, which is the grounding beach, water, like in the in the sun, in the in the ocean. And that's why you feel so good because you're negatively charging your cells as opposed to having all this positive charge from electromagnetic and indoor living. It's probably it's like simple as a like a harvesting electrons for your cells to create, you know, energy. So that's that's probably a good a good thing to do like front trade off your modern lifestyle with outdoor stuff. Hey, everybody, I just stopped by to let you know that my new book, Unexpected, Finding Resilience Through Functional Medicine, Science and Faith is now available for order wherever you purchase books. 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If I can't, I find my PEMF mat with negative ionic can be a it's not perfect, but it's a little bit of a substitute that really definitely and I literally use that seven or eight hertz, which is the same human frequency as the earth as you mentioned. So I really like that. Yeah, that's an there's an interesting topic to bring up with grounding. People often get a lot of inquire about grounding, grounding sheets. Can I just plug in an earthing mat? It all depends on what your electrical system set up in your country. In Australia, the actual earth is combined with the neutral. So people aren't getting like true earth. And people, some people go, Oh, I slept amazing. Some people go like my heart was palpitating. You know, I couldn't sleep. I was awake for three hours. So I just try and say, Hey, to ground truly, you go away from electrical environment, you know, get out into nature, do it properly. Also, it's interesting that if you're on a ground, I had a client who was on a grounding sheet for many years. And she said, funnily enough, when she went to sleep out in nature, she couldn't sleep because she says the body is so used to it'll pick up the electromagnetic frequency around and trying to adapt to that. So it does take a couple of weeks. It can take a couple of weeks to adapt to, you know, when you cut that switch off, you know, trying to get back into rhythm. Yeah, I find it's funny because the silence, the when you're either in nature or everything is completely cut off. I actually am like, Oh, it's so quiet, right? Which is actually our natural state, but it's, to me, it's so quiet. I'm like, Oh, this is strange. And I've had clients and patients tell me they go camping and for that first night, it's like so different. So it's interesting because our bodies do have to adjust. So the grounding, I want to talk just a little bit about that, because there's a lot of people selling stuff out there, the grounding sheets and grounding mats. And what you're saying is, in some places, if your electrical system actually has a true ground, it can be helpful. But it's possible that could be harmful if you're playing the wrong thing, right? Yeah, when I started the research, when I met Sarah Lee, pointing me towards David Stetser's work, David Stetser is an electrical engineer. He has a lot to say about the grounding and he was doing a podcast with a quite a podcaster, a lady who was in the health space and she was about to sign this big contract to promote these grounding sheets. And she said, I was on it for two weeks and I felt like I was on crack, like it was just it had me wide. So just be careful, you know, test it out on yourself. And yeah, I'm not against, I'm not one who says, Oh, don't do that, don't do that. Test it, see how you go and then see how it compares to like true grounding and being outside. So I think that's a big doing those nature things and scheduling those things in is important to offset any of the electromagnetic, you know, exposures you're getting during the day, which of course you have to work. Some people work in an office. Right. So yeah, sorry, cut out. Yes, so just make sure you do the trade off. Perfect. So let's talk about artificial lighting. How is that? What kind of what would we look for? What do we if we choose for our home, what kind of lighting are we going to want to choose? Tell us a little because I don't even myself know what's the best I know fluorescent obviously is not helpful. But what are the best and worst forms of lighting in a Homer office? Yeah, again, this comes back to you know, we turn the power grid on and we start to, you know, light our homes up. And I guess using you guys in the states, I think you guys can still get incandescent and halogen. And that's a good really good option because when you test that with over spectrometer, so I test the visible spectrum, that's predominantly red. And obviously you get heat and you're infrared from the incandescent. So if you already got those, I'd say stock up on those. A lot of building codes are changing around the world where if you're building a new building on your house, they, they mandate the LED. Generally, if you have LED, it usually comes in a really cool mode and then a warm white mode. Both of them are way too high in blue and green light and not enough of the red part of the spectrum, really. And essentially, like EMS, you know, again, I learned this from Jack Cruz when he was talking about blue light, but the mafia knew how to use blue light in their casinos, right? So they blacked out all the windows. They had the light so you could sort of make sure like they can control your dopamine with alcohol. It's been used quite a bit in the decades to actually change your behavior. I think there's research showing that if you start on your laptop on computers up to 1030, the spike in sales of things, you buying things is quite high because Wow, controlling that dopamine. So, yeah, that so the lighting is very important. I work with a company in New Zealand who does this world wide that has, sorry, you're going to do some cuts on this. It's reverse, it's reverse engineered. So we've changed the spectrum of the light. So it's a nice daytime spectrum and afternoon spectrum and a nighttime one that's trying to replicate what's happening outside. And then also the driver is a DC powered driver. So it doesn't flicker. A lot of these lighting systems because you plugged into the mains power, they're pulsing on and off. And that's what's causing fatigue, eye strain, headaches. And I believe long term neurodegeneration is caused, can be caused in this cycle because one, the lighting at night, especially blue and green lights, depleting your melatonin or your body will hold off using melatonin. And then if you can't get enough melatonin into the system, the brain won't detox. So it's this vicious circle, right? If your brain can't detox, you know, for 15, 20 years, you're a high, probably high case for neurodegenerative disease down the track. And it's all based to light and melatonin. And then you need to get your sunshine in the morning because that builds melatonin. So there's these two critical times, which is really sunrise and then nighttime. And what we've done in our modern life is we've brought daytime into nighttime. And then like your two systems, melatonin and cortisol are confused. So then cortisol dominant and your melatonin sinks and you're not sleeping well from that point on. Yeah, I found that's one of the most important things for people with insomnia is that they think of it as, what do I take at night? What do I do at night? And yes, you want to block the blue light. You want to use red if possible. You want to not get that into your pupils and your retina, basically. But I feel like one of the more important things is what you mentioned earlier, which is that sunlight into your eyes in the morning. I happen to have a chair in my other room that literally sits in front of a window and the sun exactly, at least for eight months of the year, comes directly in. And I love sitting in that chair in the morning and have the sunrise literally, you know, come up and go into my retina. Are you in a patio or you got the window open? Yeah, exactly. A lot of people go, you know, you got to remember that window glass does filter out, you know, the UV. So you got to have window open, you got to, you know. Interesting. Because no, I have my window closed. It's just the, so you're right, the UV, I do have a full spectrum light as well that I use. Oh, that's good. And maybe the UV is not as obviously as powerful if you're in winter, you know, you're not having some sort of indoor UV, spurty lamp and a full spectrum one. But I do find for patients with sleep issues, that's so powerful as that morning. Because again, that if you get the morning, your mind is going to be much more circadian rhythm. The circadian rhythm really was sunrises is quite powerful. If you can get people into the habit of getting up in Australia, you know, I was doing it recently and then because of the switching in the summer, it was like four 30 a.m. Right. Getting up was like a totally screwing around. But just to mention that with the sleep, we had a client who hadn't slept on drug for 25 years. Wow. And she used blue walking glasses and red light and she was sleeping within three days. Fascinating. Oh, that's so, so important. Now, I've found just personally, and this is blue light, obviously, if I need focus and concentration, not right before bed, I'll turn up the brightness on my screen and it is better than any caffeine because that blue light is made for creating dopamine and I actually use it and harness it when I need to be productive during the day. Not so much before bed though. That's interesting. That is very interesting. We've got to use light to our advantage when we can. When I do test the screen, generally all backlit LED has a predominant blue, like a quite a significant blue in the wavelength that is damaging. So it does give you that that spike. So I still like my clients to wear other blue blocking filtering glasses when they're indoors during the day to filter down that spike. So you still got enough blue in to keep you awake and you keep ticking over, but just not as damaging as it would be with the night. Got it. Yeah, that makes sense. That is. Now, I will say one very interesting thing. I don't have all the answers here, but I see an optometrist that does filters for glasses, like the ones I'm wearing, actually have a green filter to filter out red because for me, my brain works better when it's filtering those lights. And when I did the yellow filter to filter out the blue light, I actually, it kind of turned my brain down. So I do think there's some very in genetics with the conference, but truth is blue light is very damaging, very harmful, especially if you're having sleep issues because it's an activating energy. But I was surprised because I thought blue blockers are for everybody and I found just personally, I didn't do well with blue blockers. I just avoid that light at night, but I don't. Yeah, I get that. It's interesting. I think there's actually something to do with color. Sorry, a pigment in eyes. So if you, if you have blue eyes, you're very, can be more damaging to you than brown. And obviously melanin is a big story. The more, you know, melanin you have in this, maybe we can, I don't know where you want to go, but with that, but the melanin story is really important. And I think it's a missing piece in detox too, because again, I love, yeah, sorry, melanin is, you know, your skin will tan, you know, it's a natural sunscreen. We know that, but you have melanin everywhere. Melanin is in the brain, melanin is in your heart, and the body will suck that melanin that you've built to, to detoxify chemicals and metals. And there was a, I think the Smithsonian Institute did an article on pigeons in polluted cities, and they've got more melanin in their feathers to, they've adapted to process this outlet so they can live in really polluted cities, right? Oh, a fast name. Yeah, because it is a protective against like, like getting exposed, right? It's like an antioxidant, like it'll work as an antioxidant. So getting this, even like, even if you've got like Fitzpatrick to Irish skin, you can still build your solar, you know, the solar yield. And like you said, the morning UVA to UVB, UVA in the morning before the UVB kicking in is really important to build the skin's ability to take on the UVB. That's fascinating. So very critical. The timing is so critical of the time. So would you say if you are wanting to get a little sun exposure carefully, would you go morning or first before you go afternoon? 100% you'd start with the sunrise, there's got no UV in it, you're going to get massive amounts of red in our IR for like, yeah infrared, all these hormones. And then I think there's a, you'll have to check it out on the internet. There's an app called D-Minder, I think that works out when everything kicks in. I know in Australia, it's between 8 and 10 a.m. at the moment that you get the UVA and then the UVB kicks in. Oh, fascinating. That's so I did not know that. Now I want to shift a little because you had a story of mercury toxicity in metals. How does that play into sensitivity to EMFs? And then also any advice on how we can minimize exposure to some of those things in our environment? Yeah, the mercury fillings things, I'm an 80s child, so they just used to, you know, if you had a tiny little cavity used to drill the whole thing out and ended up with like eight fillings by the time I was 10 years old at silver mercury filling. And I really think that, yeah, that toxicity drive a lot of the autoimmune stuff that came a little bit later. I got my fillings out by a holistic dentist. But again, that's also by individual because too quick and you can reactivate mercury and start to dump it out, which in my case, I think happened as well. So but learning about EMF and toxicity and and elect especially electrosensitivity. I was watching Dr. Neil Nathan, he's quite a prominent toxicity doctor 50 years in practice. He just did something with Nick Panoldt about EMF electrosensitivity. He's seeing epidemics of it in California, where he practices. And I really do believe if you look at the research and go into the research and literature, chemically sensitive and people become electro sensitive. So metals and chemicals, all those synergies in the body, if you haven't detoxed those out, you become electro sensitive. That's exactly right. It's like toxic load, right? And metals, of course, I've actually, I'm sure you've had some clients that maybe talked about this, but copper, for example, can be incredibly high as far as or an issue if it's high in someone, if someone has Wilson's disease or some of these diseases with high copper copies, very conductive, right? And some of my most sensitive EMF patients have very high copper levels. And we have to address that. They literally. Oh, really? Yeah, I had oxide pyroles. Yeah. Sandy was working with Sandy with that. And I've done htma and htma last year was super high and copper was super high off the chart. And I actually got to a point where I couldn't go to a house and had Wi-Fi on. Yeah. My head is just like a zillion, right? So I did some more more tailored detox product calls, which were mineral rebalancing in nature. So not the heavy zealots or anything binders, nothing like that. Just just rebuild the body through the mineral balancing. And my follow up htma was, I don't know, X timed 50 times lower. Yeah. And I felt it. I literally felt it. And I believe that those who are electro sensitive can do that. And once they get the chemicals and the heavy metals reduced, they become more tolerant. Again, I don't, there's a caveat to this, right? Because people think that when they feel better, they just use it any time they want. I can use this for 10 hours, you know, and you get back to a, you get a whole host of different issues coming up. But that's probably, yeah, the detox and all of those things and the heavy metals was key for me to becoming less sensitive. Sure. Yeah. I love that you're saying that because what I do find is there's definitely genetically and chemically people who are way more sensitive to EMF, I'd say maybe 20% of my patient population has severe sensitivity and the other 80% don't really know. The truth is we all are sensitive, right? So the more that we can reduce exposure, because we know it's radiation damage to the cells. And literally it's a trigger for DNA damage and all kinds of other things. So all of us are susceptible. It's just some of us are way more sensitive and notice. And interesting, you mentioned the copper. I've had a patient before who literally like would walk into a building with EMF and turn red with a rash, like very clearly would start reacting. It just like you mentioned. Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's crazy, isn't it? Yeah, I think it's interesting when you get the client better detox and then start doing the EMF hygiene stuff as well, but keep, get that as a lifestyle thing and get the lighting as a lifestyle thing. They change their whole environment. They actually still become sensitive, but I think it's, it's a good sensitivity because their body is now more aware. It's not, now it's not the frog in the pot getting cooked at a low range. And then you've got some terrible, hideous disease. It's just, it knows where the danger is. Yeah, you feel that. And usually what it is is someone's sick, they're not well, and all of a sudden they get to a state of pretty good health. They're sleeping great. They have good energy. Their brain is clear. And I'm that way too. I notice when I'm not performing, because I know this is the level I want to perform. And if something's taking me down, I notice it pretty quickly because I want to stay at this level. I want my patients to stay at that level of high performing and feeling great and good energy and good sleep. So in our, in our last little bit here, first of all, I'd love to just go through what do you take someone through as far as like the checklist? We said phones, like maybe just take us through what are the top five or six or eight things that patients would want to just think about with their home environment, start there. Yeah, I think, you know, it's contextual too. Like I always get into booking with me to go, Hey, what is really going on? Because who knows, they probably have mold, they could have mold, they could have like, you know, don't know where the heck the water's coming from, we're filtering a tank water without UV and filtering on it. So it's like the whole checklist can be quite long. So I do, I do like a free 30 minute. But if we're talking about EMF, you know, phones, phones off at night, Wi-Fi off at night, get into your settings or your phone to turn off the Wi-Fi and the Bluetooth and the location services when you don't need them, these all can be turned back on. Because it's so important, Jill, because the phones, the phones are tested for microwave effects on humans in 97 with a little 2G phone with one antenna. And after six minutes on that phone, you start to get the microwave heating effect. Right? So you get starting at microwave, like your chicken in the microwave, whereas we know the DNA effects and the biological effects happened way before the cooking effect. So I'm saying you had, that happened after six minutes with one antenna, you've got five antennas on this thing, another four on your iPad. So just get them to turn them down and use which ones they need when required. So that's, that's a very simple hack. We just get used to using their phone, Wi-Fi is off at night. One thing we haven't spoke about is, I don't know how big this is in Australia, but dirty electricity is huge in Australia because sorry, you're editing guys, going to be busy. Dirty electricity, I don't know if you guys have a lot of solar in the US, but the inverters that switch the DC to AC power cause a lot of harmonic changes on the wiring. And that can be very actually quite nauseous in the building. It can be very sick, headaches, fatigue. So we like to, I like to, when I go to, I test dirty power first and foremost. Again, you probably have to engage someone who's a professional to do that. But and then also get the electrician to, quote, you get in the cutoff switch for the bedrooms. I mean, get the power off. Perfect. You know, that's, that's usually probably a top three or four. If you want to go further, you know, there's paints, you can paint shield your bedrooms, you know, some of our clients sleep in parody cages. But again, that's, that's really down the line. Oh yeah. So that's a great thing. There's some really basic things. And really part of it is get to know the settings on your phone. Right. And I will put a plug because you guys have this EMF made simple course. We'll be sure and link up to that. If you're listening to this podcast and you want to know what do I do? You guys have great online course. So that's a great place to start. If you really want to dive deep, you and Dr. Gupta. So we'll be sure and that's right. And we want people to get educated because we, we don't want people just have to come back and ask the same questions. Once you're educated, you know, and you'll always know. So then you can take, you can take it to the next level if you want to. So I'm big, I'm big about, I think I was trained to be a teacher. So I think in the heart of me is all about getting awareness and education is always first. And then you can choose which things you would like to do. Yeah. No, I love that. And it doesn't, again, you just have to be asleep in a cape. I mean, this can be actually really some very practical things that aren't super difficult. And you can start with some. So I love that. That makes it very accessible. And you can get blue blocking glasses. They're fairly cheap. Yes. You know, you can get a couple of red light bulbs and have them on up and half an hour before you go to bed. It's amazing. Yeah. Makes a huge difference. The last thing I always like to ask is you have this quite this journey and it's probably a blessing in disguise because it taught you and got you to where you're at now, which is amazing as a teacher, maybe not how you expected. But if you could go back to your younger self and either tell yourself something or make one change, what would you do or wish you would have known before you got sick with all of this? Yeah, definitely. It's really interesting because when just going back to the UK after high school is what was the trigger and just the whole environment change was when I lived here as a kid, I was already surfing. I was already getting up with the sunrise. Yeah. I was already going to bed early. So I think just when I moved it, it changed a lot. I wouldn't have, you know, don't get the shift working job, you know, go gardening or something, you know, like keep outside in nature and make sure you're balancing that technical use with nature. And back then there wasn't a lot of tech to tell you the truth. We never had Wi-Fi. We never even had phones, you know, it was more shift working, getting out of sync. So maybe just more nature, you know, continue that journey on with the nature and not go to your European country that's totally out of sync with the sun and has no UV light like nine months of the year. Right. No, totally get it like way up in the like Alaska or some of these northern places too. Same way for us in the US. Well, thank you for taking your difficulties and your suffering and your illness and transforming it into a way to really help people grateful for your efforts and your education as a teacher. You still are. You're a teacher. No worries. Thank you. I appreciate you and everything you do. You're welcome. Thanks again for coming on.