 Welcome once again to the breakfast on PLOS TV Africa. Now let's go to the papers and see what major stories are making headlines this Wednesday morning. We're starting with the nation newspapers should be on your screen in just a few seconds and of course I'll be introducing my guests in a bit also. The big one on the nation says Buhari's 16.45 trillion Naira budget 2022 pushes deficit to 7.9 trillion Naira. Also this one on the nation killings violence southeast governors revive Ibubiago that's Buhari behind citatome calls. Okay all right also IOC's mall live in Nigeria on shore over litigations says silver and 180 million telephone lines linked with NIN. Education students to get seven five thousand Naira stipends and PDP chairs zoning to north gains more support. Once again the PDP chairmanship zoning to north gains more support. EFCC probes 155 billion Naira pension fund fraud. Still on the nation newspaper this morning police parade 11 suspected kidnappers in Abuja. Six miners held for abduction and still on the story on the budget it says projected revenue is 8.53 trillion Naira. President seeks review of MTF FSP and lawmakers may get document tomorrow. Moving away from the nation newspapers this is what the punch newspapers has for us. It says on the teachers new salary scale states NUT on collision course as government cites cash crunch and you see dismisses states excuses says only governors against teachers wouldn't honor new scale. Ogun Ikiti have implementation on a rather base implementation on availability of funds. Binwe banks on increased allocation. 11 member kidnapped gang operating from Kanomoto parks smashed and Fanikaya Day using police to harass me his ex-wife alleges petitions senate. Cholera deaths hit 3057 NCDC laments death of health facilities. Ogun bank worker and accomplice nabbed for robbery and 3 million Naira theft. Collaboration with Lagos relocate tap-a-pat tank farms. Senate tells federal government and Quara PDP united set for victory in 2023 says Bukalasaraki. Also on the punch newspaper business morning Senate confirms Buhari's EFCC's board nominee who started school before birth. I think I should read that again. The Senate confirms Buhari's EFCC board nominee who started school before birth. Apparently the documentation that he had presented showed that his you know the time that he started school was you know way before he was born. But he was still confirmed. Fund diversion. Senate panel threatens to force NSA Marwa's appearance. And also Nigeria records 6,746 cases of COVID-19 vaccine side effects. Be prepared for seven-day isolation in UK. Federal government tells Nigerian travelers and budget. Federal government lowers revenue projection by 342 billion Naira 6MTF amendment. I think those are the stories that we can take on the punch this morning. Daily independent next. Anambraa gubernatorial election on the threat says INEC. Security agencies will secure lives and property. NSA assures. IGP orders posting of Echeng as new commission of police. Deploys special police forces to bolster oppression, restore peace. Also on the daily independent, Southeast Governors and leaders vow to stop sit at home to launch a bubiago before end of 2021. PDP chairmanship. Governors, party leaders and others rally round David Mark. And also this morning COVID-19 one in six young Nigerians struggling with depression says UNICEF. Federal government okays bossery to wall students into education courses. Police NAB driver who lures Kano passengers to kidnappers. 2023, Okukwe declares to contest for president. And we can also see here, deposition. IDON recognize Oluwafwari's authority says Airee Emami. Seems to be have been some challenges brewing since the coronation of the Oluwafwari. And finally on the daily independent, Buhari jacks up 2022 budget from 13.98 trillion Nair to 16.45 trillion Nair, presents it to National Assembly tomorrow. INEC gets additional 100 billion Nair for 2023 polls. Finally to the leadership newspapers, Senate bans rules to allow PMB present 2022 budgets tomorrow. President returns MTF to National Assembly for amendment raises appropriation from 13.98 to 16.45 trillion Nair. And also Southeast Governors move to end killings. Give IPOB card or rather give IPOB red card over Citatum order. INEC raises fresh concerns ahead of Vanhambra polls. And also Supreme Court continues petrol union here in tomorrow. Police parade 38 suspects for kidnapping and robbery. And WTD Nigerian teachers decry impact of COVID-19. Finally on the leadership federal government approves zero import duty for vessel acquisition. These are the big stories across the papers this morning. We'll say good morning to Mr. Ademola Akingbola, publisher of the podium media. Thanks for joining us. Good morning. Thanks for having me. I don't once against my player. All right. I think we can start the conversation from the Southeast Governors and their move to stop the IPOB and of course the insecurity challenges in the Southeast. They apparently it's on the top of the daily independent. It says Southeast Governors vow to stop Citatum to launch Ibubeag will be for the end of 2021. What are your thoughts and how successful do you think they might be? Thank you. I think the Southeast Governors are just working from the slumber, which is good. Both I think it's a little bit too late. Here that's how they blame politics with this to be blaming the federal government. They sat back. They enjoyed the show while they engaged in buck person. But now that the problem is right on top of diagnosis, they're just realizing that they need to do something about it. Well, as far as I'm concerned, I don't see any credible election taking place in the number of states. We're talking about November 6th, which is barely one month from now. I don't see any credible election taking place there. Okay. And this is something that should have been nipped in the but long before now. So I want to believe that the Southeast Governors, they left it a little bit too late. But let's hope that something should something would be done between now and then. But like I said, HIPAA and all the other terrorist organizations in the Southeast, the the the the sips have gained a lot of grande across those states that I do not know what the Governors are going to do differently in the next one month to flush them out. Well, frankly, these are people that have been having a free run, killing, kidnapping and doing all sorts of things. So what are they going to do differently? I do not know. But who do they think that they have come out openly to admit that this is the local problem that needs local solution? Now, I've always said that the state Governors, local government, they have a huge chunk of claim in terms of what is going on in Nigeria today. Everybody seems so comfortable blaming Apocha. Apocha is not doing this. Apocha is not doing that. But the Governors are the chief security officers of their states. Okay. So Apocha can only complement your own efforts. It's good that they are going to revive Epochi. Okay. And this is what we've been calling for, regional policing. Okay. So I would be interested in seeing what they want to do in the next one month. But I think it's a little bit too late. Really. There's also a key I believe to also mention that I think the South is because of the security apparatus that has obviously been shown to be very weak. There might be a lot of criminal gangs, robbers and kidnappers and whoever else who had been hiding to carry the activities may have just come out now to start to commit mayhem or cause mayhem saying that there's nobody checking them. I'm blaming them on the IPOB. But I want you to also speak on, still on Ebu Bayagu. Yeah. If the Governors do not get the authority to arm Ebu Bayagu and give them guns, then how useful are they seeing how ruthless and armed these criminal elements in the IPOB or wherever else have been? We do things that are going in South East. Do you think any government needs a Buddhist approval to do what is necessary? Do not think so. Look at Amaterprin. Yes, they are not allowed to carry arms fully, but we are seeing some signs of their presence in the Southwest. Okay, so I do not think any government that is serious, that really wants to work, should wait for a Buddhist to say go ahead and arm them, because that's a long process that's not going to happen in the next one year. You need to amend the constitution. You need to establish an approval, all of those things. But we're talking about the fact that this is an issue that should have been nipped in the board before it escalated. Okay, and for all that you know, 10% of what is armed with these artists can only be attributed to IPOB. Like I said, a lot of other groups have come out, okay, harm robbers, ardent criminals, they've also come out hiding on the hypo. And I think it's very unfortunate for government to see the sit-at-op order is at the instance of Nigerians in the diaspora. That's been tricky. Okay, how can people who are brought give instructions to those who are at home that don't go out to work, don't go on any of the income? People don't need anybody to tell them that they should stay at home. You see how IPOB has been oppressing and intimidating people. All right, so we need to begin to learn how to be proactive in everything we do in Nigeria. We don't get serious problems until the problem becomes a huge crisis. So I feel for our colleagues from the southeast, like I said, I do not see any appreciable result coming out of all this government's effort in the last one month. And I think it's as common to admit that the religion is under threat, that is the most point we all know. And people are already waiting to use the violence in the southeast to invalidate the result of the election that has not even been heard. Yeah, that's a huge concern. It is. And trust politicians to maximize every situation. Okay, so they are already recording all these violence going on. These are the video evidence they were presenting. Of course, say, look, elections were never heard and you won't be able to blame them. And those who sadly, I believe that we haven't completely read our electoral process of fraud. And so there's still those who will take advantage of it and give themselves numbers that didn't exist. Absolutely. There's going to be voter party. You can be sure of that. People are going to be scared. A lot of people will travel out of the southeast before the election. Yet, I make with the very high figures. And you wonder where are these figures coming from? Who are the people that came out to vote? If you want to be living in a number that would you go out to vote? No, most people will not go out to vote. So the situation is going to make it very easy for the layer to be rigged and to be manipulated. And that's going to lead to another round of violence. So it's like a vicious cycle for the people in the southeast, really. All right, now let's move away from there. We might come back to talking security again, but let's move now to the economy where the president has presented or hasn't presented, but then talks about the budget. It makes all the papers as Buhari moves the budget up to 16.45 trillion Naira. 2022 budget or rather it pushes budget deficit to 7.9 trillion Naira. And of course, very likely we'll be presented at the National Assembly tomorrow. What are your thoughts? It's given that it will be approved. If we consider the antecedents of this current National Assembly, what about the president's submit for a review? It's taken that it will be approved. But then is that the solution? No. It's the easy way out for us, really. Okay, increase the budget. The deficit of almost 8 trillion Naira. How are we going to finance it? Go borrowing again. So if that government is just being realistic, the revenue is not coming in, expenses are going up. A lot of budgets are being contemplated. It's pre-election year. Governments wants to fulfill most of its promises ahead of the election in 2023. But my question is this. Have we exhausted all avenues for saving costs? No. There are a lot of leakages in the system. There are a lot of wasteages in the system that the government should have sat down with National Assembly to look at how to reduce them. The National Assembly should, as a matter of urgency, make some sacrifices in terms of its allowances, involvement and stuff like that. Public office holders across the board, let's begin to look at areas where we can reduce our expenses. Increasing the budget at the end of the day, the impact is going to be affected by the man on the streets. It's going to pass back. Inflation is going to go up. So for me, this is the easy way out. It's the lazy way out. Governments should be telling us, how am I going to cut expenses? The profile of our public expenditure is ridiculous. But nobody is talking about it. We spend too much money on elections that do not even produce credible leaders. We spend too much money feeding our public officers who do not even have the value. These are areas we need to look into. But the question is, who has the potential will to do the same? Nobody. Not even the President. Isn't it sad that we've gone these many years and there's still not been any processes that have been implemented to stop the leakage of funds in Nigeria? And this is across NDAs, across the country, where there are still loads of leakages, where funds just disappear and never make it into government coffers. Of course, I also agree with you and the government's need to also cut down on its expenditure of frivolous items. Yeah. You recall that one of the favorite quotations of Mr. President before he was elected was that corruption with killing Nigeria, if Nigeria does not kill corruption, how prophetic that statement has turned out to be, he's not been able to kill corruption in five years. And corruption is killing Nigeria gradually. Okay. So it has become a state policy in Nigeria across all levels of government. And the National Assembly, as it is currently constituted, has turned out to be the major hindrance for us in Nigeria. There's nothing we can achieve in Nigeria if we don't review the Constitution. We need to deal with a lot of stuff. But National Assembly, they are the greatest beneficiaries of the current arrangement. So I don't see them agreeing to any of these things. Public officials are so comfortable. They've gotten used to the huge electronics that they are getting from government. They are feeding fat on the public treasury and they pass all the impact, they pass all the effects to the common people. So yes, corruption has become a state policy. It's like if you can't beat them, you join them. That is what everybody does in Nigeria. Unfortunately, we thought this president would do something about it, but he seems to have also resigned to faith. He has not won the battle. And that was meant to be one of his selling points. He hasn't done very well. He has not done very well. And I do not see how the next president or the next government will be able to stop it. It will move into the fabric of our life in Nigeria, in the public sector especially. It's unfortunate. All right. Still on the nation, if you can look at the top of your screen, it says the PDP chairmanship zoning to North gains more support. David Mark is a front runner. And of course, the way that the narrative has been spinning lately, they say if the chairmanship goes to the North, it means the presidential candidate will be a southener. Sakimbola, what are your thoughts? Well, the PDP is trying to respond to the mood of the nation. Remember last week we talked about the fact that yes, it is not in the constitution, but power rotation has become the only thing wrong in the political landscape of Nigeria. It's funny when some people say it's unconstitutional. Like the Northern government said two weeks ago, it's unconstitutional. All this while that you have been getting it, you never knew that it was not constitutional. Now the south is asking for it. You are saying it is unconstitutional. So yes, the PDP is trying to go a step ahead looking at the mood of the nation, especially in the south, south west, south east, and look, everybody wants power to come out to the south. So which means if they've chosen someone from the North to become the chairman, automatically the candidate for presidency will come from the south. And I see the PDP also throwing that line. So that's about all the sandbite by the Northern government. I see the PDP is also choosing someone from the south to contest. How do you think that will turn out or play out in 2023 if there's 2,000 candidates? What would both parties be looking out for to present a better candidate and to hopefully get to win? Yeah, it not depends on what happens at the conventions of the two political parties. Okay, if the plan goes according to the way that they want it, two start and present an image, then of course the votes are going to be split in the south and the North will be the deciding factor. Whoever the North votes for, between the two candidates will end up being the president. But for the south, it's like Ed Orthel will win. Okay, if the two parties present candidates from the south, which automatically means that 2023 will see Nigeria producing a southern candidate, so both are going to be split in the south and the North, the key state of the North will be the deciding factor. It's going to be an interesting development. Of more importance to me is the quality of the candidates that we imagine from the two political parties. It's not just enough to zone into the south. F1 sports remains to go for the best candidate. If we know it's good for us, it's not the other side. Oh, it's my right, it's my turn, it's my region's turn. The two political parties must make conscious efforts to go for the right and the best candidate. If they are going to put party interest above national interest, this is the time for us to begin to put merit above any other thing, competence here. Okay, let's move to the punch now. One of the stories here says Senate confirms Buhari's EFCC's board member who started school before birth. I want to believe that the Senate has done its investigation and has discovered that this chapter of this man has no case to answer. Otherwise, it's business as usual. This business as usual, in Nigeria is a place where people spend a lot of money to get Senate endorsement to get things approved, believing that that money will be recouped. There is hardly any public officer that has not gone through the process. So Senate screening has become just a smoke screen. It's become a ritual. It's become a routine of all righteousness. If there was indeed a very strong evidence proving that this guy has falsified his age and has forged these records, what is the essence of you going ahead to approving without telling us, oh, we've investigated. This is the result of our investigation. This man is clean. So it's like, take it or leave it. I want to believe that Serab and other advocacy groups, we go back to the drawing board and get more facts that will nail this guy. It's just a matter of time. All right. Now we're talking about records. Before we move on to another story, I'm going to move to the daily independent next, but there's something that I was speaking about earlier on top trending and I just want to get your thoughts on it. Somehow, some way, have certain persons that hold political offices in Nigeria or have some political relevance in Nigeria, but have very, very incriminating pasts. And of course, the reason I'm bringing this up is because of the Pandora papers released on the KGB state governor. And of course, the crimes that he was allegedly accused of. And of course, the report that he was also in jail in the U.S. for a while for the same money laundering charges, but eventually made it to become governor, was in the Senate in Nigeria and then made it to become governor today. There's a couple of them, you know, that in the National Assembly have been governors that have had drug charges outside Nigeria for a while, but made it back here and eventually still became political office holders. So I want you to get your thoughts on why those things don't matter when persons are contesting offices in Nigeria or hold very, very, if you remember also the story that broke concerning the Nazco conflicts controversy. There are certain persons that were named in that thing that had been arrested by Nigeria security agencies for links to terror and for trying to set up terror cells here in Nigeria. Those persons eventually are still running around the country, still holding very, very delicate political offices and even businesses here in Nigeria. So why don't those things matter? It doesn't matter because corruption is a culture in Nigeria. Corruption is a state policy. It is assumed that everything we do in Nigeria is compromised. It is, remember, IBV once said, every Niger has a price. Okay. When he said it then, we all shouted, but now he's been proven right. It's only in Nigeria that people with doubtful pedigrees, people with shady backgrounds, still end up becoming governors or senators. Why? Those who are mandated to do the screening, they don't do anything. They don't do anything. Look at this guy that has been led by the FBI, okay, Abah Kiari. This wasn't the first time that issues were raised against him, but as usual, he was swept under the carpet. And I'm sure if this happened within Nigeria, if the FBI was searching for, this guy would have escaped, not would have happened. So we are in a country where people steal so much money and they put part of it aside to protect their shady past because they know that one day something will happen. Look at Senator Adeleke. All the money that was made about, oh, he didn't have Secondary school qualification. The man quickly went abroad to go and procure one. Okay. And because of his political waiting on show state, remember that the case was raised against him. What has happened to that case now is probably been dropped because at the point, APC needed him to work for them behind the scenes. Look at Senator Iyala Mishori. There are so many of them. You said the couple, not a couple, there are so many of them out there who have a very dangerous past that we have not cared to investigate because they have amassed so much money. So in Nigeria, when you have so much money that you live above the law, nothing opposed to you. Look at Fahyoshi. Look at Mokora-Sanraki. Go to the Senate. All ex-governors are there. Enjoy their loot. EFCS is not making noise. What has happened to Fahyoshi's case? What has happened to Dino Melayie's case? Nothing. What has happened to this? Too many of them. So corruption has become a way of life for us. So you go into government. You steal so much money. You set to those rules you need to settle. It is sad. We shouldn't be discussing this on national TV, but that is not the way we are. So it means nothing to us. It's nothing to us. You don't have certificate. You were accused of a crime 20, 30 years ago. Don't worry. Steal enough money, set to EFCS, set to ICPC, set to the Nigerian police force. You are fine. Because you look at even Politinobu, the Chikago case, up till now, what has come out of it. So there is a long list of Nigerian politicians who have had a tainted past, but who are still enjoying EFCS today, and who will likely become public officials tomorrow. Look at this guy that died in a good state. I can't remember his name again. The big guy that was also a case of being involved in drug crime in the United States. I can't remember. But at that point, the guy Obama was fighting at that point. He couldn't go to America. Look at even some advisers. So it's a long list. And the media also, unfortunately, the media and constituency has been compromised. We do not investigate any longer. We try more on using press releases. How many media ventures in Nigeria, including many of us, have huge budget for investigations? People are not interested because they'll tell you if we investigate and we unhurt anything, nothing will happen to this guy. I think that's where the challenge is. The fact that a lot of Nigerians and the electorate really don't see these things as big enough issues to disqualify candidates. I remember a couple of years ago, there was a statement saying, or even if he has NEPA certificate, who will vote for him. Those were signs to basically tell what the mindset of the electorate is in Nigeria. And so the person has been tried for drugs and jailed in the past in a different country. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. As long as he has enough money to bribe the police, bribe INH and also buy votes. When we complain that our votes don't matter in Nigeria, I tell people keep quiet. You sold your conscience years ago. Why would your vote matter today? Your vote will never matter in Nigeria. Illegions have just become rituals. The winners are already known. So because we have not for once come out to insist on the right thing being done, you leave the neighborhood. You know that this guy has criminal tendencies, but because he has too much money, he has settled everybody. Of course, that's what you vote for. A situation whereby people who had very terrible past won elections against people who have integrity. Only in Nigeria would that happen. Because a professor going to contest an election will probably don't have enough money to buy votes. But a businessman who has been government before has so much money to, I mean, to throw around. That is the person that he has to vote for. He has money. So it's something that has become a culture for us. We don't see anything wrong in those things. All right. Let's now move and talk a little bit about COVID-19. There's a couple of stories here. On the Daily Independent, one of them says, COVID-19, one in six young Nigerians suffering, struggling rather with depression. And that's from UNICEF. I think one of the papers also speaks about vaccine reactions here in Nigeria, about 3,000 or so people have had certain vaccine reactions. I'm not sure what paper that is. But quickly share your thoughts on the depression story. Depression is real in Nigeria. Depression is real. That's why when Facebook went off over eight hours on Monday, I'm sure Nigerians will have felt it the most all over the world. A lot of Nigerians sleep on social media as a way to let off steam as a way to get over depression. There's no job. Business is slow. No electricity. A lot of stuff. People are going through a lot. So depression is really Nigeria. I want to believe that that figure is even understated. It's really understated. You see a lot of people wearing good clothes, but they are going through storms that they can't even discuss. Unfortunately, there's no social safety or social security nets for anybody in Nigeria. When you rise in Nigeria, you rise for yourself. When you fall, you fall for yourself. There's nothing to fall back upon. Nothing absolutely. No arrangement by government to help people to go through difficult periods. No. So depression is real. You look at parents who've lived all their years. They've worked for government. Now they are retired in their 60s. They can't even get their pension. The little money they have, they're spending it on themselves. They're spending it on their children who are unemployed. I was telling someone at the NYSE, I mean, it was on this program that you waste almost two years of people's lives in the name of going to go for NYSE. Two years that they should have spent working on any income and supporting their family. So people are really depressed in Nigeria. It's real and it's just so unfortunate. It's real. And only on the COVID-19 case. Yeah, let me just say it says Nigeria records 6,746 cases of COVID-19 vaccine side effects. I have heard a couple of people complain that, oh, I won't take this vaccine because of his side. But yesterday I was talking to someone who said now that he has seen physical evidence of people who suffered side effects. Nigeria is a place where we don't keep records. Unfortunately, medical records are not reliable. There could be some coincidental side effects. Someone who already has some co-mobility, someone who already has had some medical issues, it takes the vaccine. The vaccine probably pushes out those issues and he tries to link it to COVID-19. What I'm saying is that this information is not enough to discourage people from getting the vaccine. At the end of the day, the benefit of going and having to take the vaccine, the benefit has way so-called side effects. That's my own point. I'm not going to argue or deny the fact that they are side effects. I've taken my concrete dosage. It's not an appointment to me. Glory to God. Which of the vaccines did you take? Pfizer, which is one that is really most recommended in this part. And I'm not sure Pfizer is ready like really good Nigeria. We have Modena and we have AstraZeneca. A brother of mine took his last week and for three days he was it himself. I had similar side effects. For my first and second dose, I had slight fever, my arm hurt for about a whole day and all of that. But it doesn't go beyond two days of just that feverish fever. Yes. So those who are normally early before, you won't mean second or third, you are fine. Because if anything more than that happens, it means that person already has medical issues that he is not the one we are. That's what I'm trying to make. Okay. Or hopefully, what's most important is the information sharing concerning COVID-19 and how the national orientation agency, the NCDC needs to do better with the information that they put out to get people to understand better how the vaccine works. Absolutely. To stop vaccine hesitancy. I want to share, let's move to the daily trust newspaper. We didn't get to touch on this before. But this is very interesting. And some of the things that we haven't spoken about this morning, it says pressure mounts on Buhari to probe Bagudu and Peter Obi and others. And that's with regards Pandora papers and what has so far been exposed. There's still eight more Nigerians to go on the list. The names haven't been dropped yet. But from the records, it says about 360 plus persons across the world have been put on the Pandora papers investigation. And of course, in different countries, Nigeria has 10 persons of interest, Peter Obi and Bagudu of Kepi State currently. I think it's one of the reasons I even asked the question about why don't these things matter to the Nigerian electorate. But do you think that these are important enough for the Nigerian government to look into? Absolutely. Absolutely. By now, I should expect a memo to have landed on the table of the chairman to say, look into this, do a thorough investigation. And some people will tell you that how come it took the Pandora box, just like we had it with Wikileaks, how come it took such effort for us to even be hearing of all these things? Okay, without prejudice to what the investigations would discover. Peter Obi, as far as we are concerned, is a clean man, modest, who doesn't have anything. All right. But this is information that is fresh, that is new, is telling us something different. So yes, the Nigerian government should be very interested in getting to the root of this. Apart from advocacy groups that will naturally launch onto this, I said the FCC to start work. I said the ICPC to start work. Well, so I think also that a lot of these things were meant to work on the sentiments of Nigerians and how they react, even before they read deeper into some of these stories. Some of them had clickbait headlines just to capture attention. And if you read closer into it, they have very, very different stories. Peter Obi's own doesn't necessarily say that he stole money from anywhere. It really just says that he set up shell companies for tax avoidance, not tax evasion, mostly tax avoidance, that apparently a lot of businessmen do across the world set up shell companies to avoid tax. So what I think would be important to know is whether those funds were truly from his businesses, which he has never hidden. He has always been known to be a rich man. The only problem that I'm glad he was, he was very tight-fisted and never allowed people to take Anambra State money recklessly. So what I think would be important to speak about with regards to his cases, knowing whether those funds were taken from Anambra State or not, and if they weren't, it really doesn't have a case to answer, except with the Code of Conduct Bureau. And if he declared those funds that were outside Nigeria. Absolutely. Yes, you're very correct. It's too early to begin to assume that this has to do with his tenure as governor of Anambra State, even for Pabudu. So let the investigation start and let the process very open and transparent, because these are the things, these are the building blocks of Nigeria of tomorrow. We cannot continue to sweep very serious issues from Dalekapet. We cannot continue to ignore issues that have attracted global attention. If we want to incoherently write values in the young ones, values of discipline and anti-corruption, it is time to begin to investigate and make skip-goat of whoever this is found comparable. So yes, let the pressure continue. By now, I expect the federal government to have said, AFCC, ICPC, Code of Conduct Bureau, please go to work and let's get to the root of this. All right. Hopefully something will happen. Yeah. Still on the daily post, it says here, 30 killed as Ansaru terrorist and bandits clash in Kaduna. Yeah. You know, we said here last week that the government, the federal government should have declared the system of agency in Kaduna State. Enough has happened in Kaduna State to warrant the federal government moving in. The governor needs help. Unfortunately, he doesn't admit, he doesn't realize that he needs help. He's busy playing politics, he's busy grandstanding. He needs help. They have a theory of forced forces of crisis and insecurity in Kaduna. Two weeks ago, it was a shite. We have this post kidnapped. Then we have this group of clashing also. So, yes, it's time for the federal government to move in and do something about Kaduna State before it gets worse. Look at Kaduna State. Yeah. I was just going to say, that would be when we have a federal government that understands that 30 lives lost in a day is not normal. It's not. Neither is 200 kids kidnapped. Yeah. It's not. I mean, it's only an idea that even when you have road accidents, 18 people kills. If such happens in the next one week, radio and TV, they will be on it. Something must be done. Whoever was responsible, we brought a book. But in Nigeria, we reported and we just move on, waiting for the next casualty, waiting for the next incident to happen. 30 lives is a lot. It's a lot. Enough for the state of assembly to impeach the government. You're not doing anything. You're not doing anything. You are voted to protect lives on property. In Kaduna State, only God knows how many people have been killed the last one year, in the last two years. And government is there sitting pretty. And nobody's saying anything about it. I mean, we need to be able to bring people, I mean, to make them accountable. The House of Assembly should, one of the reasons why you can impeach a public officer is inability to protect people's lives. These are lines that you don't know what it will become tomorrow. But we keep wasting them. Because it has become a norm that lives more than lost in Nigeria, one way or the other. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. That's absurd. Someone like L5 and I shouldn't be a governor if we know what we are doing, but I do not see exactly what is done. No matter the project that you took, the biggest project any government can have is to safeguard the lives of the people If you like to build, fly over, build stadium, construct roads. If you can maintain security of lives on property, you have failed as far as I'm concerned. That's the number one thing that we should be looking at. So for me, Kaduna requires immediate and urgent agribusiness intervention. Yeah. Also, you know, some of the things that you mentioned, it's besides the federal governments, you know, and the way that they value the Nigerian life, you know, I think the Nigerian people themselves have also gotten so used to hearing about death and killings and dozens and hundreds that these things no longer matter on that level. And you I'm very sure that if, you know, the governor of Kaduna state was running for election next week after the stories break, he will still get a lot of people campaigning for him. Oh, yes. We have very short memory in Nigeria. Whether by design or by default, we have very short memory in Nigeria, especially when you come to public office. We are too forgiving of their sins. You will find people who are ready to justify, who are ready to rationalize, who are ready to defend him. Oh, that's the integrity in Nigeria is not just Kaduna state that don't let us see going out for blame. But when we don't single people out for play, when we don't deal with them on a case by case basis, then you have an aggregate of problems all over the country that we end up not being able to handle. The look at government chamber doesn't perform. We pardon him. We overlook it. The state governor doesn't perform. So when are we going to hold public officers accountable and responsible in line with the oath of office that this war? When are we going to do that? We're talking about 30 people, for God's sake, 30. It is mind boggling, seriously. And like we are saying, even as a nation, we've gotten used to it. Nobody's talking about it. That's really sad. Really, really sad. We can now go back to the southeast, you know, and get to understand these things better. On the Daily Trust, it says Igbo's in diaspora, not IPOB, behind Citatome Order says Southeast Governors. And I think you already spoke a little bit about this before, you know, but I'm trying to understand where exactly they're coming from. I know that there is certain elements in Cyprus and in different countries across the world who have taken over, putting out media statements after Namdikano was arrested. They basically, I can't remember the particular one who is even contesting the election in the country that he is in. Probably in Cyprus, I think, but he has been one of those voices that have been, you know, encouraging some of the actions of the IPOB and asking, you know, people to boycott elections and some of all of that. And so do you think the governors do have a point there, you know, seeing that there are certain persons like that outside Nigeria who have been spewing these same narratives and, you know, encouraging people to sit at home and also encouraging, maybe, encouraging the IPOB members back home, you know, to commit the atrocities that they're committing? Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt about that. There's no doubt about that. IPOB and other groups in the South is receiving massive support from Nigeria diaspora. But it is the same thing in the Southwest. I'm going to take home, there are a lot of supporters in diaspora. In fact, there are a lot of WhatsApp groups where they are raising funds to support people in Nigeria. I mean, there's one or someone added me to, I left almost immediately because I know that a lot of people back here in diaspora, they're so concerned about what's happening back home and they believe that the only thing that they can do is to support any attempt to effect a government change, a regime change. So yes, people in diaspora, they have impact, they have a direct impact on what's going on in the Southeast. But hey, is that enough reason for the government to throw its hands up in the air and say, oh, we can't do anything about it? No, it is not peculiar to the Southeast. It's happening even in the Southwest. A lot of Yoruba advocacy groups exist in diaspora, supporting what is going on back home, sending money, organizing a lot of stuff. So that's not enough for a particular government to say, oh, even in the North, the federal government has asked us to say, Boko Haram, they have very powerful and inflation sponsors outside Nigeria. So tourism all over the world is usually funded by people outside the country. So that's not new. It has always been, even the US, even all over, what we are saying is that as a state government, that is not enough reason for you to fail in nipping the issue in your body. Yes, of course, they are sponsors. People send money to them. Look at EDSAS. EDSAS was funded significantly by Nigerians in diaspora. You remember, a lot of money was raised online in a matter of hours. So that has been the trend. Nigerians in diaspora, they want to do everything to make their country better. And they believe that the least they can do is to support those who are fighting, okay, those who are seen to be advocating for things to be done properly. So it's, it's, it's nothing new. And it's not enough reason why we shouldn't be able to fight this guy to a standstill. Yeah. I know my liking. Well, always a pleasure speaking with you. Thank you very much for sharing your time with us this morning. I wish you a beautiful day ahead. Thank you for the privilege. Absolutely. I will love you then. God bless you. All right. Stay with us. We're now moving back in history, the 6th of October, and I'm going back to the year 2010, 11 years ago, one of the world's most famous social media apps, Instagram, was founded on this day. If you remember two days ago, you know, there was panic across, you know, Nigeria and across, across the world when Facebook had its challenges and Instagram shutdown, WhatsApp shutdown, Facebook also. The app basically has become one of the most famous across the world, one of the most used across the world and was eventually bought for a billion dollars. I'm going to confirm what year that was by Facebook, seeing how fast it was growing. Started with about a hundred thousand subscriptions and then has grown to more than a billion subscriptions, I believe. It's an app that was launched on this day and racked up 25,000 users in just one day. The primary focus of that, of the app, when it started back then, was the feature photographs, especially those taken on mobile devices, and it was only actually launched on the iOS platform when it launched. At the end of the first week, it had downloaded, it had been downloaded more than a hundred thousand times. By mid December, the number of users had reached one million. It was the fourth most downloaded mobile app of the 2010s, just a little bit of history for that. And also, I'll quickly share more. Yes, in April 2012, it was bought for a billion dollars in cash and stock by Facebook. Originally launched for just the iOS, eventually was able to work on Android phones a couple of years later. Two months after it was launched, it had a million followers and 10 million subscribers and 10 million subscribers in a year. By June 2018, Instagram had one billion subscribers. And just sharing little bits of this and that here and there. Of course, it started with just photos and then moved to being able to share video content. It started with maybe, I think, 15 seconds video content and now you can share video content of as much as 10 minutes even more, hours even of video content on Instagram. Reels have also come up on Instagram to make the usage more interesting. But on this day, in the year 2010, Instagram was founded. Stay with us to take a short break. When we come back, we're talking zoning across Nigeria. How important is that discussion as we move closer to the 2023 general elections?