 All right, 6.15, here we are on August 8th. Recording in progress. Recording is in process, and we've advertised this meeting publicly and on the website and emailed interested parties, so we can move ahead to the legal-worn meeting. We've got some minutes from the July 13 special select board meeting, which was a presentation on the school project, and I would move to approve those minutes, they captured the essence of what we were talking about there. I second. Yeah, all in favor? Aye. All right, okay. And then there are the minutes for the July 25th select board meeting, which I was not there, so I'll leave that to you guys to move to approve or not. And I have read the minutes, I find them to be accurate, so I move that we accept the minutes from July 25th select board meeting. I second that. All in favor? Aye. All right. And we've got a collection of guests, and I think the first person listed there is Norm, and that goes right along with the first item under new business, which is escape space fundraising. Am I correct? That's correct. We're beginning to drive. We're going to do a mailing for all the residents of Rochester, a few people both share both sides, and we're basically asking for funds in various amounts. One thing we'll want to request is, we'll pick it up and put it together on a Go Funding page. And I'm not exactly sure how successful it's going to be, but we wouldn't be ones to deny any donations if they want to donate in a particular way. So I'm thinking it's worth a try, you know, it seems like other organizations have got a lot of success with it. So what I'd like to request is to start one, and actually I sort of began a page and looked into the innards of Go Funding, and they say it's a subsidiary of PayPal, or they work together. So it's basically PayPal rates that they take as their profit for a Go Funding donation. So it would be 2.9% plus 30 cents per transaction. So if we were, someone was to donate $100, we would get essentially $97, and Go Funding or PayPal would get 3. So what we'd like to do is hook up the Rochester Recreation account, like a bank number, you know, sign a bank number into the Go Funding back end, so the money goes straight into there. No money goes the other way, it goes straight into the fund, so it only grows. So we'd like to make that request from the select board to the select board. So we have a separate account specific for the Rec Committee? Yeah, there's one at the credit union, right? The reserve account. The reserve account is in Mexico. Are you looking for the money to go into their reserve account? That would be a deal. If it's easier to do like the general Rochester account at large, then we're not going to do that. No, it would make more sense to go into the reserve account, because if that's allowable through the bank, I don't know if there's restrictions based on that type of account or not. I'm handy auditors, yeah. I would like to talk to Nathan about it first. Yeah, I think he would. And I don't know if there's any leverage with PayPal to get a discounted rate if it's a municipal application or not, but that's worth asking. Can you take a look? Yeah. Yeah. But I don't see any reason in that thing. I have another comment, Norm. Would you consider sending this to Valley residents so that you get Hancock and Granville and Stockbridge who also use all of the facility? Right now, we have just Rochester on our radar. I mean, we can be convinced to expand it and refund it. They use it. I have the counts, too, for those towns if you need it. The GoFundMe page would reach out to everybody, basically. Right. So you would be overreaching into the other towns. In that way. But it's a matter of numbers. I was talking with Gerald Bennett at the Postal Service, and he was talking about what is it, 700 mailboxes here that would be filled for a certain price. I think it's like 150 bucks. Really, it's a pretty good deal. We could expand the Hancock, perhaps, if we want. I don't know how many mailboxes there are. How many is Rochester, I don't think. Yeah, so I think between 300 and 75 or 100 bucks to go to Hancock, is it worth it? I think it probably is, even if just to get the awareness of the GoFundMe page out there, too. Yeah, I would think so. But Nancy's right. It's not just limited to Rochester residents to use it. It's open to the public. We'll definitely send it to Stockbridge. They love them, too, but into Rochester. I have another question on GoFundMe. Can municipalities participate in GoFundMe? I think that's a rule of the question that we want to work out. I mean, anybody can participate. That's a question for you, Nancy. It's just a matter of... But can they accept it? I recall doing a PayPal donation button once, and I think for certain charities, you might get a break. I don't know if a municipality would count as a charity, but I can find that out. I think we really have to talk about it. Yeah, definitely. We're on all of it by name. To see what their take is on all that. You get it. Accounting money, that's that question. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Even if they open a little account at the credit union to funnel the money that way and have it separate, and then you can decide where it needs to go from there, it takes one visit to the credit union to open an account. I don't know. I was thinking about printing these... Just getting these to the printer to look at tomorrow. Will you be able to... Would you mind sending me an email with what you're looking to do, what you're thinking about doing, with regards to the Go Fund and me perhaps having the money going into the reserve? Could you just send me something like that? So then I can pass that along and I'll get on it. I don't know when he'll answer and also tomorrow's elections too. It's kind of a busy day. But yeah, if you could get me that, I'll get it to him as soon as I get it and see what he says. This is who? His name's Nathan. He's our auditor. Yeah. And we ask him lots of good questions like this just to keep us safe all the time. I would much rather run it by hand. He's our go-to for funding. Yeah, for sure. And then the second part of my question is about the other go-to for funding. We're up against that there's about the state recreational facilities grant that's going to be mixed. It's going to be due September 10th. And Dean and I are kind of rallying things together for that, which includes getting some of these funds going. And we have a whole checklist that we're going through. It would be very helpful to seek some help from Joan Allen, the town grant writer. If anything, just for a little consultation to see if we're doing things correctly or if she could help us in certain areas. Because we're kind of up against the gun here. We have about one month to get this thing up. I don't think Joan's last days, like the Tories, last Friday in August or whatever day that is, I don't think she's going to want to deal with that. I think the best thing to do, we do have a meeting set up with Joan and the two rivers on this Friday. What time is that? 1 o'clock. So we're going to meet with that and we'll run it by read at that two rivers and maybe she can help us with that. And get us pointed in that direction anyway. If she could see the checklist, give us a quick rundown on a lot of things. She doesn't really have to do anything. Just to actually see what we're doing and see if it's right. Things like that. I'll also have, did you guys have copies of our mailer? You got it? Yeah. All right, so that was the two. When you meet in with two rivers? Friday. On Friday? On Friday. Okay. Yeah, I mean it'd be great to, you know, give her some of our... September 10th that the grant is due? September 10th, yeah. It's a long list of stuff and I don't have no idea if we're going to hold it qualified. At least we can just get them on a leader. All right, Ryan. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thanks for pushing that forward. All right. So we've got Sue Malton here. We're a speed report. We're a speed request. We're wondering what the possibility of changing the speed limits. I know this has come up before on the back roads. You know, with the amount of traffic we have now, with all the new people moving in or people just up vacationing or whatever it is, there's so much more. Traffic, bicyclers, pedestrians, everything. And 35 miles an hour. And some of those roads might not seem much, but it's pretty fast on some corners. And when there's a truck going 35 on a corner in the middle of the road, it's kind of treacherous. It makes you not want to walk up there anymore. And I know even coming down Betham Mountain Road on the pavement, it's 30. And it seems like some of our roads are a little more, needs a little more caution. And since they've widened the roads so much more, people, I think, feel they can go faster. And if it's posted 35, 45 would be the speed limit they feel a lot of. And people that aren't even from up here don't seem to be concerned about... Until they end up in the ditch. Yeah, yeah. And then with the amount of people just walking and dogs and little kids, it just doesn't feel safe. It's really, and with all the stones being thrown when they drive past. And because, I don't know when they put this speed limit, but there weren't as many cars. The traffic wasn't as many people, but Steve, this is the person, the people who bought our house. Today on a quiet day, it was just like keeping track of how many cars go by on our little road that there didn't used to be in. And what did you get? Between 8.30 and 4 o'clock, to Sue's point today was kind of a slow day, a quiet day up there. There were about 25 vehicles going past our houses. Just our little road. I mean, where did that? I mean, it's... That's a slow day, 8.30 to 4 a.m. to 4 p.m. I wouldn't be surprised if you were approaching 100 cars a day. At least. On a normal day. And I, you know, is that as much as 100? No, all I know is there's a lot of cars. Dust is an issue. You know, wow. So what kind of a speed limit are you? 25. I know I was talking to someone who lives in Granville on the back roads, and they've always had 25 miles an hour on their back roads. She says it's always going that way. 25 seems, because if you have 25, they're going to go 35. And then we've also noticed... We noticed that where they're at, like, Marshbrook Road, where that road's not wide, there's no speed limit sign here. You don't drive... There's no sign that tells you you need to go 35 miles an hour fast. So they go slow on that road, because it's Tretcher's Road. There's a 35-mile-an-hour sign right in front of David Sprague's house where the pavement and the dirt meet. So when they're coming on the pavement, they see that they're already going 45. They don't need to slow down. That's really fast by someone's house. They widen the road so much that you're... They've encroached in their driveway on their yard. So... And if any one of you... A challenge, you just go up for a ride and drive 35 miles an hour without slowing down on any of those roads. And it's not safe. With the stone that's on there now, there are corners that... Yeah, you have to slow down. You skid because they lose stone. The speed limit doesn't mean you have to go that fast. No, but I think a lot of people who are coming out who don't appreciate Vermont Valley think that if it says 35, they have to go at least. So... Anyway... And I think there is a... Is there... You have to do a survey or you have to do... Yeah, you have to do a whole... Okay, so I'll talk that over with Rita. She's going to be here on Friday and we can decide. I did a study on the Bethel Mountain Road this spring. They did one for us. And I haven't had time to go through the results with her and sit down. She's been really busy. She was away on vacation for a couple of weeks and then we've been tied up with so many other things, too. But I have talked about Lauren and the Bethel Mountain Road to 40. Up on the top where it says 50? To just coincide with Bethel because there's this 40 miles. The only thing that you get with a lot of these things is enforcement. The only way you can really deal with it is enforcement and we don't have the tools to do that. And I've talked with Bethel about it some. They're in a constable situation where they have a constable for 20 hours a week but it doesn't work for them either. So they're at a quandary on what to do because it's cost so damn much to have them there for 20 hours a week that they're looking at what can they do other than that. So we're all in the same boat. There's not enough law enforcement and the state can't handle it because they're shorthanded and the sheriffs are shorthanded too and they're expensive. And I talked to Mike, the sheriff, out here last week and he was saying that, I've been up on the roads and dirt roads and stuff but it's hit or miss. It's like he can't, we only have him for like one, eight hours a week I think. And he comes over four hours he'll sit in the village or whatever and try to get some cars. But it's in the town plans and try to get the village lord to 25 and I'll talk with her about what we should do up there if we can even remotely lower that speed. Because it's not, I guarantee, if I had a petition, there would be everyone in the house who would sign that one. So, as a suggestion, wouldn't cost much money, how about some speed cars? We could just stop grading the road. That would be great. I would love that. I would love that. Until you have to start fixing your car. That would be the best thing. They didn't used to. When there were bobbles and bumps, people had to go slow. That's fine by the people who live up there. Well, the phone rings the other way too. They're just driving through. So, we get it from both sides. But what about speed bumps? People would work with a snow plow. No, they'd have to come out. Well, in the winter they'd better slow down. In the summer, they don't seem to care about it. We did have the temporary speed bumps we put in on Brook Street. When we had to divide the traffic because of the construction. They were picked up by winter. They were picked up by winter. Oh, yeah, they weren't there. So, when we put, you know, Jewish people have slowdowns. Oh, yeah. Just in town, you must have a front page form. Because all the people moving in don't seem to, you know, there is a... I think if you post, if the road's posted for 35, which all the dirt roads, that's what they are posted in town. And if anybody puts up a sign, unofficial, that says 25 miles an hour, it nullifies the 35 so they can drive 50 if they want to. No, I don't mean a sign there. No, but that's not just saying that that's what the rules are. So... Yeah, you can't just start putting up... Post your own signs up there. So we'll just talk with Rita, see what she says and work to do that. I mean, I don't have a problem lowering the speed limits on those roads. I really don't. Well, that's a different issue. That's kind of mandated in terms of controlling water and the ditching. You know, yeah, yeah. Everyone, because if you drive around other back roads in Vermont, they're not as wide as ours. On the bright side, it sounds like our town is growing. It is. I think vibrant is a good word to use for that. It's like, it's vibrant driving. Vibrant driving. Is there a mandated width to the roads? As you mentioned. I don't think there's a mandate. Not that I'm aware of. But there's a right-of-way for the roads. What is that right-of-way? 50 feet from the center. 25 from the center? Yeah. What does that mean, that you own downtown? No, it has a right-of-way for the 25. I've heard dealing with mowing and where you're maintaining or whatever. It doesn't mean we need to make the road 50 feet wide. So there's nothing that says how wide the road has to be? Well, does it make the class of the road? Whether it's class 3 or class 4, that's part of the parameters of how there does it make it. Because you see, I think you've noted some of the dirt roads are wider than k-threads up there. Yeah, it's part of the process of grading. Pavement is a very obvious edge. Yeah, you could save some money. Yeah. I know that handcocks at the width of the roads are a lot smaller. At Grandville also? I went on a champion road, a tiny little road. You do have to be careful when you drive up that. You have to go down. It's less wide and there's no gravel. It's crowned. It's just tight. There's no gravel. It's wide. That's why we keep working to try and make the roads passable and safe. In a way, having a less wide road sort of demands that cars can naturally slow down. Exactly. There's no going back, I don't think, to making them narrower than they are. Then the flood might make the road narrower. Yeah, the floods the road kind of goes down all the gravel from the road, ends up in everybody's back yard. I'm just wondering if there's at some point there could be you could look into a different recipe for a grid of all the roads and just flip to them. Other towns are doing that with different recipes on the roads. Yeah, there's a lot of standards that have been mandated. The state is requiring the ditching on each side of the road or the water runoff ditches have to be huge. You take a Volkswagen bug, flip it upside down, that's the size of the ditch. So it does give the appearance of a much wider road. And the ditches so if the ditches have to be then when they get filled up with stuff and the gravel I'd be supposed to think they bring more dirt to the road. Well, they'll reditch them. They'll clean out the ditches. They'll take them back out again. They'll have ditches. Yeah, they do so much every year. He tends to do the worst places. They eat feet wide or six feet wide. So you're saying the ditches have to be feet-feet on each side. And they have to be U-shaped. They can't be U-shaped or anything. The water has to flow not long for the Clean Water Act. Does that depend on the pitch of the road? A lot of it does in certain pitches and then also it depends on the proximity to waterways. Right. They call it hydrologically connected. What about using some of the packable sand instead of just raking up the gravel all the time? Anybody's been over the Lincoln Pass lately? The top third is paved. The bottoms are paved, but in between it's gravel, but it's not gravel. They put down a packable sand and people are doing 45 miles an hour on that road either side of the pass and there's almost no potholes. It's hard and smooth. It doesn't seem to wash out every time it rains. Maybe we should look into some of that. Is that what they put on Marshbrook Road? From when you first turned on to Marshbrook Road? No, that was that's rap. That was reclaimed asphalt. Yeah, that would be great. Yes and no. Yes and no. You can't groove it. Is anybody want to address that sand issue? You know what I'm talking about? Put some of that down on Maple Hill. We're talking 10 roads versus state roads. Trouble getting that. That's what he's talking about. That's something very cost-trucking down there. So what is that stuff they put on now? That white powdery rock? It's from Florence Crushstone that makes dust all year long. It's limestone. It's limestone from Addison County. You know I'm not talking about doing all the 51 miles of roads in Rochester with that sand but for example on West Hill the approach going up the hill past Welch's property is extremely steep and the road department comes in grades it occasionally and it lasts about a week and then like we have Big Ditches on both edges of the road right now it's totally washed out. Washed out on other steep sections. I mean I don't think we're talking a whole lot of money to what's cost more road department coming every month or so regrading or dumping a couple truckloads of sand I doubt that just tamping sand is going to not require grading or maintenance I don't I've driven on the road you're talking about and I'm not sure I've not noticed that it was sand versus gravel I know gravel when it gets driven on a lot and it can freshly graded road is obviously chunky and rocky and after it's been driven down a while it can get pretty pretty darn smooth and then things change but I haven't heard of packable sand I know what he did on Austin Hill up there this spring he tried they closed the road off and they chloride it and they put a mix of different materials and rolled it and I don't know exactly how long it lasted but the trouble is with a lot of these roads and steep parts of the hill people driving their all-wheel drive cars or their four-wheel drive trucks and they just used two-wheel drive so when you go up a hill with a four-wheel drive truck you're spinning because you're light in the rear and it causes you know problems like that a lot of people do that I mean if it's just nature just the way that people do things so I don't know I know Austin Hill doesn't last all that long because of that so we also have a problem on West Hill where you guys put up a sign use your four-by-four unfortunately now prevented any UPS or FedEx deliveries on our road so they refused to drive up there I don't think it says four-by-four required it just says use it if you have it they're using that freshly braided I think it says freshly braided I mean if that's I'll have to look into that they're using that as an excuse not to drive up that road I think they're just taking advantage of they have one on Brook Street too right if you have it you have it if you don't well the delivery trucks will come up yeah there's one on Brook Street UPS and FedEx right but it was there for a few weeks I said like loose gravel because they had braided the roads this might just be a matter of that sign we'll be coming down after they do the grading yeah they have to grade it again they grade it about a month ago and now it needs it again so it's got roots in it and rivulets and that's good it'll slow down the traffic right right right here yes in the back is Florence the closest and cheapest material for the roads it has been right now yeah I mean the Grandville Bow Mills out of business at the moment for the summer and Mike has done some grinding there but they have the best material it also doesn't create a lot of mud in the spring so well I agree with that I think it's pretty solid stuff yeah unfortunately it's white well it rungles off too it gets your car massive it seems like a long way to go for material but I didn't realize it was there not around here you can go further no I know John's done a price analysis on that and he's hasn't hauled a lot this summer but he has hauled some just because of the fuel cost so I know he's being careful that way so so do they have to put so much on? there's a few places where the road is raised we've been working for the last several years to try and increase how much we're putting on because you're starting to get bedrock and the bones of the original road the gravel being dispersed from driving from grading and for years every time that we needed to balance the budget we would cut the gravel and we're like really un-maintaining the roads to a pretty drastic level so in the past 5, 6 years we've been intentionally building up that budget trying to build it up more yeah have you forgotten about West Hill? are you sure? between the bridge and the road you know we pay taxes yeah maybe we should have a tax reduction you already did that once when you got your house renovated and you didn't want to pay the increase in taxes on that no we felt we were unfairly charged compared to our basic people in the area with comparables yeah well that's then Lister's job anyway we know we haven't forgotten about West Hill Road and that bridge is under the we're still waiting on the National Forest off the bridge but they've not backed out of that no they've just pushed it down a year so is the is the town going to have enough funding has it been set aside for the town's share as well as the forest service? it will be there isn't a whole lot there that we have to fund the only part I think that we have to fund is just the entrance and we're going to tar that when we get around because it's too short to grade it you know we can't it's just a little ways to the bridge I mean it's been a real imposition for other people you know years ago we didn't realize what the capabilities of the bridge was so I'll be the first to honestly say we ran 7 yard you know cement trucks over that bridge it's been logging going on and other people have drilled wells now everybody's really restricted in that bridge pretty much know that you can't get up there with anything heavy for example Mr. Smith who has a camp across the road from us wanted to you know I had paid for all his spruce trees to be removed lumbered out and the price last year when he was going to do it was $1295 per thousand feet that's not saying what spruce would have been and now it's 500 so he's lost more than half his valuation in his trees he's been you know he's not real happy he won't come to the meeting but if he came he would voice his disdain over this we have new neighbors who are bought the property next to us for very large sum and they're coming from Ohio with a large moving van they can't get the moving van across the bridge so not only are they paying their mover which all of us would do if we were coming to a certain place but they have to hire another vendor with a small truck that moving van bit by bit and drive it up the road and I mean it's just I don't know if I should just go down and yell at the forest service or what but it's just like I can't believe the United States Forest Service can't find a bridge in this day and age it's just like obviously they got better things to do but we can't fix our bridge I realize it's been coming since 2009 but it is frustrating because I would like to do some capital improvements on my property and if I break the bridge then everybody is going to be going you fix it you fix it you did it and you know how long do I continue to live there and be restricted I don't think anybody really realized when they moved there or has been there for a long time that that is a really restricted access road class 3 road and nobody said like for example our esteemed realtor here I didn't sell you that property I would have said something nobody told us whoa you better watch it get across the bridge that no one's ever been told that I don't care what anybody says everybody's in the same boat you know I don't want to beat the drum because I've said all this before wasn't that compromised more during Irene wasn't that one it was undercut then but then that brought it to the attention that it's the oldest bridge in town that was something it would have been to our benefit if Irene would have taken that bridge out she did and then your concrete truck made it over so I mean it's it's but no one wants to be the final straw that breaks the camels back because then everyone's stranded up there so that's why we have someone who wants to add something go ahead Martha you're on me I just wondered that we spent almost an hour on that last discussion I wondered if we could just go on with the list because we've got quite a list tonight I'm sorry does anyone else have anything else to say about I guess we started with the speed on the back roads and we got on to the bridge on West Hill Road and it's something unrelated I'd like to propose to the town fathers of the select board that we institute a front yard standard as such so for example if you're coming over the pass the branded pass if you come down through the bucolic woods the national forest suddenly you're presented with two buildings that have the doors kicked in the windows broken out and they just look awful and next thing you know people will be living in those abandoned buildings and somebody owns them and I think I know who it is but I'm not going to say anything there should be an ordinance that says if the windows are busted out and you own it you should board them up for safety it looks like hell what can I say if you continue down the road down by Mack McGuffins who has a whole lot of equipment who keeps it all neat in his in his field or around his his large barn and keeps it parked and clean and nice there happens to be another person that's on the other side of the road that has all kinds of vehicles leaning into the stream the whole front yard is packed with trash so if you've ever read Hands on the Land a very good book about Vermont in the 30s you know it was a very tough time and the state put together a group of people to walk around and explain to people there ain't nobody's coming as a tourist to Vermont if you throw your garbage out in front of your house so people started cleaning up because people were complaining that, you know that Adirondacks had a lot of people coming and the White Mountains over in New Hampshire and so they walked up and they said could you just clean it up we're not really infringing on anybody's rights it just looks bad and so the conversation that we've had here about all these people up here of course all the new people who are moving in we don't want this place looking like the city we should have some basic standards here just go around and go hey maybe you should move some of that stuff in your backyard maybe it shouldn't be perched on the edge of the creek there where the oil leaking out of the cars of the creek I mean I don't see anything wrong with that I don't know who the cleniless police person would be I'm sure we could send a letter out to there's a few people in town everything else around here looks beautiful people mow their lawns or they trim their hedges or whatever I love living here but you know every time I pass those two shacks it really bothers me I think the windows in the two part of the mountain have been repaired not today not recently goodbye there today the curtains are blown out the windows soon to get something so in response to the stream that's a state a state you can you can notify the state I was just going to tell you we got into it down in Puchel Settle but they're not too long ago and we had John White go talk to them about the garbage that was there and then the state rode her on trying to get them to move all their vehicles but it really didn't go anywhere I don't believe because they really didn't move a lot John White is our health officer so we can talk to John about going and seeing that and then he'll notify the state and they'll come and possibly do something with that so is there does the town have an ordinance about how many vehicles you can have, dead vehicles unregistered vehicles I think you can only have one unregistered vehicle that's in the zoning in the zoning it's in zoning, I don't know what it says it's not anything that we don't and if you're going to have a junkyard I think you have to have that registered with the state because we have there are some places in town imagine this nothing ever happened we have junkyards there couldn't be more than five people in the whole town that are abusing the bucolic beauty in our town that you can see well if I can't see it I don't care that was a point well taken every time we drive by places we have a lot of traffic and parking issues I think Susie Smalling was going to talk about that but she didn't make it in tonight I think that has related mostly to the trucks delivering to the hardware no she said there's a lot of speeding coming around the corner and they slide around that corner it's a pretty tight corner to go speeding well when they get to the corner they slide so she's just worried about people getting hit or cars and then she said that whether it's a vehicle it didn't sound like it was a truck that day she had come in to talk about the parking lot it was a big camper with a trailer behind it just kind of took up all of the parking where her residents I guess park so they couldn't get in and out so there's just like is there an ordinance we can have for parking on the streets yeah that's not really a parking spot on the school street there so that's not where it was there is a parking ordinance already parking ordinance but that just took someone to go and knock on the door and say hey you gotta move but I don't know who that was right yeah always more to deal with um done with parking and cars and roads for now we're going to move on to the library invoice reimbursement for the um that was for Cody Bowen doing the flashing Cody Downs Cody Downs doing the flashing to kind of a preventative to keep water from slipping in between the siding and the rest of the house so they're asking for a 428 dollars and 90 cents to finish the balance of a 1097 dollar invoice which I think is totally reasonable to take out of the building yeah so I've moved to approve that I second it alright that was quick okay we got the PACIF grant for the fire department set up and I signed it because you had to have it so I just signed it the application has been approved as submitted and um what we just need to um officially approve the application that what is this here for I've moved to approve that second hi this is for a couple security cameras on the fire station that would be if we had the money for the grant that would be the way to deal with the traffic is to have those automatic cameras that will take a picture of the speeding car when I was in England recently I finally found out what they were every now and then you'd see there was a sign on the side of the road it says speed monitor point ahead and there are these dashed lines on the road and the camera up there it shows lines to measure how fast you're going on the road and if you're going too fast it'll send you a tick in the mail so I haven't seen them yet I didn't check my mail yet it takes a photo of your license plate it does I mean before the town buys those they have one of the signs they can make posts to sign somewhere where was that that tells you how fast you're going they're still above the line yeah they come and they go and they work for a while then they don't we couldn't find anybody to repair them so we had them taken down when they did the traffic study on the Buffa Mountain Road that gave you what size vehicle it was what the speed of the vehicle was whether it was a tow or a trailer or whatever it was loaded with information like that so there was just too much for me to digest all at once I needed to talk to Rita and I haven't had a chance to yet before I leave just one more thing I called Julie about this since we have a lot more people coming in on vacation this summer we had a lot of ATVs and four-wheelers and what not driving on the roads pretty sure it's not legal to drive here and I know I've read in the paper recently about towns that are making sure that it doesn't ever become legal in certain towns that aren't passing it and I spoke to someone today about them riding on the roads and I said you know it's not legal and she goes it isn't so that's why I started to say this from page 4 I mean a lot of people that come in don't read a paper but is there perhaps because I know Brandville had something about the fact that it isn't legal to ride them on the road can you post something to say when you come to Vermont you know it might have I don't know if that's a if it would help put it on the website Martha can make note of it for the newspaper now it doesn't hurt to come to media and speak up and get it on zoom and on orca media and in the paper thank you Martha you're on mute I'm sorry I was just going to say I didn't hear very much of what she said it was something about people going too fast but I couldn't hear very well because I guess she's in the back of the room she was talking about the fact that occasionally people will be riding four-wheelers on the roads and in fact that is not legal in Rochester and it would be good to make that point clear on zoom and on orca and in the paper too if you okay so writing four-wheelers ATVs ATVs on any road right on the town roads is not legal in Rochester correct okay I can make a point of concluding that in the article I'm sorry I just couldn't hear her before that's good thank you for speaking up but then when I heard you said Martha will include it you're on mute thank you now we've got a service agreement to execute between two rivers regional commission in the town of Rochester on their help with updating our zoning regulations so I move to approve that I second let it happen patience and we've got a contract for the stray animal holding the homeward bound contract that's a yearly thing or is it bi-yearly it's yearly and they've we've been using them for years and I think that's probably the best way to go so I we actually haven't used them in the last three years we haven't used them but we have them in our pocket as a we haven't contracted with them oh we haven't and that's kind of why I brought it up they called and we had had a dog issue anyway our dog person called them just to like ask a couple of questions and they're like hey you guys haven't renewed your contract is it something that you want to do and so Jeff was like I don't know let me check with the office so that's how that started and it looks like we haven't signed on with them since 2018 or something and she said she just didn't know like if it had been forgotten or if we had just decided that we didn't need it anymore but she wanted to double check I think with the previous select board there was a lot of discussion and we had not really been using them and it was like $500 for the contract it's $400 for the contract and then $75 for each dog and we decided to go with the $75 if we had to take a dog over there that was in that previous so you don't have to have the contract you just have to pay by the dog if you take it over and plus we do perfectly fine with just locking them in the basement for the day we do have the dog but it's taken down now and like before I didn't even really it was like hot and gross out so I just put him in the basement he was cool it's nice down there yeah I don't really think that it's necessary but I can't make that decision this is on here because they approached us yeah and I wasn't going to say or sign anything $75 pay as you go pay as you go alright have you got Joan on zoom here yeah she's on zoom she's on with you here she is hey Joan don't have much to report I'm just busy fishing up odds and ends things I've been working on checking in on things that are still in progress and will continue after I've left primarily the FEMA reimbursements so I'll be bringing everybody up to date on Friday when I meet with them and other than that I really don't have anything to report alright you're going to meet with everyone Friday right? yeah and Rita and the girls we'll just get the grants I'll figure out say now at least if I don't see you later then thank you for these years of your help and navigating all this red tape you're here for one more meeting one more meeting so you can say it again then alright I'll say it again then and if you want to go out with the bang I'll inform Christensen on advising him on how to fill out that application grant review yeah yeah I heard that and if he's able to come in on Friday you know if there's something I can have sounds like he just wants you to look over the shoulder and give them some pointers I can do that we'll make sure he comes alright well thank you Tony you hear the library report yeah things are pretty busy there we've been reading the paper a lot of different programs going on Jeanette's but another thing I wanted to mention is that Jeanette spoke with a person who apparently can do some painting and he gave a quick estimate of about $9,900 to paint three sides of the building so at least it's something to look at and think about yeah and Frank you just talked to someone possible painter to then they were going they were headed back to Florida they thought they might come back this fall so we were going to talk to him he used to live in Granville anyway so so that would mean to do three sides so they'd be willing to break it up and do a decide at least probably she talked about three sides yeah might be more achievable if we could do a side a year or something it was a guy that painted Liberty Hill yeah smile and go so just take that under advisement I have his number two Tony so I'm going to this guy no this is a different guy okay anyway there's no possibility what's that guy's name Tony this guy is Rosenfeld do you have that information Rosenfeld Rosenfeld okay so Julie has that information okay okay we'll get it we talked a lot about the highway I don't suppose Twitter's on zoom there that's his practice thing you got anything you want to contribute about it no I checked on the monitoring the waste storm drain project that's going on down there oh that's been coming on excuse me lost stuff in the ground down there yep they've been ditching some up up somewhere up in Austin Hill up in the or someplace Terry you got anything on the utility front tonight okay is Jeff get part on zoom about energy coordinator I saw you had a boot set up at the recycling this was good saw some conversation going on down there yep and the old business we got the master financial policy sections one through four discussion I kind of went what what about that email from oh that was back up on the speed on Bethel mountain road did you touch on her yep that's related to it she wanted me to read this I just want to make sure that you guys saw it this is again dealing with speed on Bethel mountain road and not she pointed out maybe not only changing the speed limit but eliminating passing sounds because she's had several instances when people when pointing to her driveway all of a sudden someone has to slam on the brakes because they decided they'd pass because people were going slow and why were they going slow they were going to turn into the driveway man that's a good point to you know it's like so in the financial policy sections so I went through one through four section two I'm still writing but sections one three and four I made notes should be here and then I still have to talk with maybe Nathan that should be clipped should have a binder I should have a binder clip on it are we still living a deadline on that no maybe right I thought if we did like a few sections at a time it might be kind of like we've been tabling it quite a bit yeah we got to get it done yeah so something free to look at and I made notes on the pages myself right did you put the changes in there that I put in I did though the fire department yep that's in pencil so I figure if we could just at least look at it and review and maybe a couple other people outside maybe Nancy could look at it I would think that it would be worth having just a meeting of the budget maybe to go through this with us yeah she has to produce this updated report which is when well we can't do any more grants or without having this state state and federal and they're looking for updates if we take little bites out of it we can eventually finish so you want to take a bite tonight or you want to I wanted you to look at some corrections and then maybe have Nancy and then maybe what we could do at the next meeting is finalize the adoption of one, three, and four I haven't seen it either with any notes on it okay so the notes I'm seeing some notes in here yeah I think between the heat and the preparing for the voting tomorrow it makes sense to dive into this next meeting yep and then just you guys want to look at it maybe what I could do I can make you all copy and just write in there the notes that I've come up with we're not going to do anything with it until next meeting I don't know why we just can't come in come in for an hour and just look at it just cruise through what she's done I know I read the first four sections myself and we found a couple things that I was concerned about after we did it together relatively quickly okay alright we should I don't know if that's on there doing what that tank removal so we had the couple bids on the removing the fuel tank behind this building and yeah they're in the back here we got three bids on that I'm reducing myself yeah we had Mack McGuffin 1525 Dave Harvey 1315 as fixed to date Ray at 1501 so I gave it to Dave Harvey second on favor okay excuse me could you tell me the amount that Dave Harvey did was I didn't catch that you had put that in the paper 1315 1315 dollars 1315 dollars 1315 dollars 1315 you had these numbers from our last meeting I just didn't remember them off the top of my head now that's all I wanted to make sure I got it correct thank you any other public comment or public I'll left we're all driving on the roads now there's a letter that we put together to send to the people that live around the park um that which is kind of like something that we don't think you want to send out some letters to people in town too it's not just parking but looks like we've done a very good job with our roads yeah we're asking us to stop grading them yeah don't make them so wide then they'll call in and say it's over I know or your money for every action there's a reaction it would be nice to pay Rook Street but then we'll get calls that cars are going too fast yeah everybody will be driving up through there 50 miles oh dear that sounds good that sounds alright Pat did you read this I think I might have read it we just we just needed to vote on whether to send it out okay cool basically we're voting on sending a letter to the residents around the park encouraging them to keep their properties in accordance with the ordinances and appropriate for being on our beautiful park yeah and include the ordinance so I'd move to get that letter and send it off I second it I if that letter is well received perhaps we would expand to the whole town yeah alrighty anything else anyone like to speak about tonight we don't have Victor Catherine no there was some discussion update on the high schools feasibility study after math that it was suggested in the feasibility study meeting that from this point forward a manager an actual project manager be hired to seek out grants write grants and go forward with the next steps of the school Vic and Catherine Vic is stepping down as the head of the committee and they are starting a conversation with us about how to handle that person that they would like to hire to be the project manager that person would be paid out of grant funds not on the town payroll would be treated as a subcontractor similar to the fair weather consulting right but there will be some accounting for the ladies in the town office and I just think it's ready for some discussion and I just wanted to do that grant funding something in place or is that some potential grant I think it's potential still I can't say that there's any funding currently in place to hire that person so we're having the discussion before the fact right so the town will get a chance to vote on all this before we three people decide on it we're not going to have to decide on it Terry believe me well I have a question also it sounds as though you're having the town of Rochester responsible for making this decision where's the school in that there's no decision on the agenda today I'm just giving you an update but I'm just asking a question that the committee wants to do for this for acquisition of the high school just as they're the owners of the building also they're the owners of the building they just want to sell it I would think that the committee's next job should be to form a nonprofit and negotiate directly with the school board and buy the damn building if that's what they want to do and go from there rather than the town being held hostage for all this stuff these girls in the office don't need any of that work to do man they hardly keep up with what they're doing now it'd be impossible for them to administer that and I think that this this group if they really think that this is a viable solution they form a nonprofit and go talk to the school board and buy the damn building and then get somebody that's going to run it if that's what they want to do and take the town out of it I mean it's just nuts for us to even be considered for this that's the way I look at it to Terry's question so this when it comes down we've been working towards a point the whole procrastination was to gather more information so that the town could vote on it and have educated vote on it now this wanting to have a project manager that seems like that would be a step beyond that beyond that vote where they stand right now is working on floodplain lines and the possibility of further subdividing the floodplain property away from the high school building so that the high school would not have the dark cloud of floodplain hanging over that is also a tall order and a little bit more than Catherine can probably handle in the long run a little bit longer of a process I would guess so that's where the project that's where it all stands right now between the brownfield aspect and the floodplain aspect has turned into a lot more complicated than the school board just saying let's just sell this property and it's really correct we could as a town decide that we have heard enough and we think we are ready to go to the town and that would be our next step ready to go to the town for vote they the committee I'm sure would like to write out the possibility of the federal grant that is a substantial amount of money they would like to go to the town with the vote saying we have millions of dollars or go to the town saying we don't have millions of dollars this subdivision to get rid of the floodplain property is is a requirement before they can even so that presentation of all that money is the brownfield that's part of it too that is part of it but the breaks the breaks were put on when federal people said this can't happen in a floodplain FEMA is not going to authorize you to grant money to someone FEMA has to pay for it again so it's been a little bit of a quandary there for them so they can get rid of the floodplain then they can just jump back into it's floodway they can jump back into the federal grant again but for right now all federal and state grants would be on hold so there would be no money for the bill how are you going to get it out of the floodway there ain't no one subdivided to land out so you're going to do subdivided half of the building off the building is just a corner of the property right it's about having both a floodplain and a floodway on your property if you have both of those you're just crossed right off the list they will give you money for floodplain but not floodway the floodway is not part of the building just the floodplain I believe it's complicated we can't even take care of the buildings we got already it's probably time to start having that discussion and plan for where we're going to go with it unfortunately we don't have all the cards in front of us but it doesn't look like we may get many more cards but we've got some really big cards lately with all this information about the money then about the restrictions on grand money because of floodplain so we know a lot more than we did a year ago correct but I think like I said before that we've taken this as far as we need to as a town as an office of the select board and they need to figure out if they really want to see this project go forward they need to form a non-profit and take control of the building and then go from there it shouldn't be balanced on the taxpayers I'm sorry I mean I know we bought that building once and paid for it through the school but we had a lot of help when we did that and it wasn't as much money as it is now when we built that and we were using it then right and so the way the school budgets were set up and the way we had to fund those all through these years is you had 80 to 85% of the school budget you can't touch then you got 15% you can and all that's maintenance and we cut that to make the budget so that we could educate the kids and go from there but now that that's all passed through we're done with it I don't know what else to say I personally can't see us alone in that building and I don't know how the hell we could we couldn't afford it I think that we should have this discussion because we will have another election in November and perhaps that would be the next opportunity to put this to a vote to put this to a vote I believe that it should go to a vote either during town meeting or an election so that people do come alive so people show up probably more people would show up at the election than at the town meeting I would think so but it's it may be an opportunity to get the input from the town mm-hmm I guess that's good I think what you're saying also is you go to a vote and at least everybody knows where everyone stands and it's just without letting another year or two go by no I don't think we need to do that because now this is the big thing we would need to get on the table is what does the town want to do and we're looking at another heating system season coming up and it's doubled and the furnaces are even worse than they were before it's so warm now can't we save some of this heat can't we save some of this heat we did have their buildings inspected by the safety inspector right through the LCT here so I think we got up for a couple of missing signs down seller we ended up well we got that because we finished last years and I don't know about the town garage I don't think they had any issues down there I think he said he had one the pit had one thing that wasn't covered or one of the events was bad there so that was all he wrote up about that but not a big deal he said so I think back to the school thing that it did would be good to put say this November date for a vote and then say okay committee any more information that you think is important that you can get out between now and get it out but that's when well you know present the you know what the town thinks about this you know it's not like we're saying you have to vote tomorrow but that gives us some time to make them find out more information to provide more information they can get the feasibility study and then we can give an update on all of the recent developments developments that are still happening and then I think we have as much information as we're ever really going to have unless we get approved for all sorts of millions of dollars but it is seems to be one step forward and two step back on that which costs time every time you take two steps back alright sounds like piece of a plan I will bring that information back to the committee thank you they put a lot of work into it huge amount that's good there's a lot more to put into it they want to go forward with it alright I think unless anyone else has something to talk about that's it for tonight quiet alright thank you all keep warm