 Welcome and good morning, everyone, again. My name is Michael Ngunki-Kimani from the Regional Center of Resources for Development, and we are indeed very excited to have you all on board on this event. Thank you for finding time and honoring our invitation to this kickoff meeting for the officer project. Officer 6 to provide support towards the establishment of Forest Observatory in the eastern and southern Africa region. I'll be moderating these events, and it's divided into three parts. One remarks from the partners. Then secondly, we'll hear details about the project, and that will get an opportunity to provide any questions or comments and any feedback that you might be having. Before we start, I would like to highlight a couple of things. Remember that your mic is on mute, unless you're the one who is talking, and then there will be an opportunity for question and answer at the end of our presentation. Then you can make use of the chat box in case you have any question during out the presentations that will be made. Lastly, it's also to indicate that we are recording this particular session, and we'll share this recorded feed to all participants, as well as the presentations that will be made. Having said that, I will go directly to the first part of our event, which is the introductory comments from the partners. We'll start with C4, followed by RCMRB, then the EU, so that is the order in which we'll follow. Over to you, Robert from C4. Thanks, Kimani, and good afternoon, everybody. My apologies if you see me in my car, but it's thanks to the traffic here, you can see. It's really a pleasure to be with you. It's a pity that we cannot be all together somewhere in Nairobi or in the region, but the situation being what it is, it's a great satisfaction to see this project starting. It's the continuation of the work that we started with the regional center, and thanks to the good work that we did in the first phase, we have this phase of development of the observatory, and this is something that is becoming more and more important given the situation, given the whole issue linked to reduced emission, linked to deforestation and degradation, given the importance of forest for food, given the issue of refugees and degradation. I think it's a very timely moment, and I'm sure that if we manage this particular project well, we have quite a long road ahead of us in terms of achieving a better management of the forest in Southern Africa. So thanks a lot, and I will not speak more, so you don't hear the background noise, and thank you very much again, and I'm looking forward for the kickoff work. Thank you. Thank you very much. DJ, Arsé Mardin. Thank you very much, Ngugi. Robert, from people and colleagues from the Pian Union, I wish to share the same pressure for being able to have this occasion. We've looked forward to this day for quite some time since the first phase. I mean, it's a day of happiness, but at the same time, a day when I wish one of the people who are very much behind this program, Dr. Esther Manghi, was with us. I remember introducing this program with the director, the director-general of Seafall, and working very hard to see how we can be able to progress from the first phase to the current phase. In a way, I'm very proud that AFOQ was not in vain, and we can be able to continue the work going forward. Having said that, I wish to thank Seafall for the partnership, Pian Union for the continued support for this technical work, because I mean, it's not very many donors that are willing to invest their resources in technical and analytical work that really has huge impact, but not necessarily very visible. So the importance of the observatory from our first engagement is very clear. And having been personally involved in natural resources management in my previous job, I know how important it is going to be to government authorities in their management of resources, both for international reporting, but also for the management of the natural resources in their countries. So RSMRD is very happy that the program is a focus on the region that consists of our member states, which run all the way from Sudan to South Africa. So my hope is that with the current engagement in the five countries, in the future, we can be able to extend because I believe virtually each of our countries, each of the countries in our region, need this resource. So thank you to everybody who is participating. I've seen Steve from Jarrasi and others who support, continue supporting us in terms of technical assistance. So we hope we can be able to deliver a good product. So thank you to the technical team and your colleagues. Let's keep doing a good work, and hopefully we deliver what our member states require. So for the participants, this resource is for you. And I hope you can be the vanguard of the initiative in your countries. So it doesn't just remain as something invested in, but not fully utilized. Its utilization has got to make us proud of the effort we've put in. So it's my honor once again to be here on behalf of Wara Semarji, the kickoff of this meeting, and I wish everybody good for the celebrations and successful work as we move forward in the implementation. Thank you very much. Thank you, DJ Asemarji. Over to you, Mayra, from the EU delegation. Thanks, Ngugi. Good morning. Good morning, Director Emmanuel. Sorry we missed you last week when we came to your office, but we had a very good tour, thanks. And good morning, Dr. Robert Nasi from C4. And hello also. I think it's Stephen from JIC. I think we've met before. So nice to see you. I just wanted to also present apologies from Philip Mayur from Brussels, from the Director General for International Partnerships. He's not able to attend this morning, but I'll also feed back to him if there's anything. So very briefly to say, I'm very happy to be part of the kickoff meeting for the Forest Observatory, which aims at enabling Kenya, Uganda, Mozambique, Ethiopia, and Tanzania to track performance under several obligations, including the Paris Agreement and AFR 100. In many cases, our governments have responded to the negative impacts of deforestation and forest degradation through landscape restoration and on-farm agroforestry, but often in the absence of information on the state of existing forest ecosystems and hotspots. So I think this Forest Observatory will really be useful to frame all of the actions that the member governments are targeting. For us, it seems that the OFESA program is starting as an opportune time, as it will really enable the governments and stakeholders to monitor the state of implementation, in particular under the Paris Agreement and AFR 100. So it should be very useful. As for the EU delegation in Kenya, it's also an opportune time. We're planning our next seven-year strategy with Kenya. This is also the case for the whole of the European Commission. So we're in our next budget period for 2021 to 2027. And we're looking at the big priorities over the next coming years together with our partner countries or partner regions. And having the Observatory will really enable us to monitor and target hotspots. I think I'll add a few more words about the programming phase of the seven-year budget period, especially as Philippe Maillot is not here. So I think it's maybe of interest to the various people here. I think as most of you will be aware for the European Commission, President Ursula von der Leyen, one of the biggest priorities has been the Green Deal and making the EU carbon neutral by 2050. And this also will strongly be reflected in our development, cooperation and international partnerships more broadly. So it's one of the top priorities and it's one of the most most important things that we'll also be targeting in our upcoming strategy. I think in terms of the Kenya delegation, we've been looking at a proposed biggest focal area for of natural capital and resilience. So again, really framing the Green Deal as a key element of what we want to address in Kenya, of course, together with with other priorities, which which I won't mention here now. But equally, if we look at regional interventions, which are being programmed, of course, mainly through our colleagues in Brussels with our inputs, there is there is definitely a look at regional approaches to biodiversity conservation, trans frontier wildlife management and trafficking prevention, trans frontier ecosystem and landscapes, conservation and so on. So again, these these will quite benefit from this this type of program. As I already mentioned, we were actually by coincidence my team and I visited ICMID last week. So we managed to already see the regional hub with our UCN that's in place. So we're confident that the cutting edge technologies offered by ICMID will really be able to launch to launch this officer program very well. That said, the implementation will not be without challenges. At national level, it will be important to map hotspots and then and then hopefully consequently catalyze responses. And even more challengingly, I think at trans frontier level, the question will be how we can produce outputs which can which can encourage cross border action. So I think we want the data not to remain just data, but also to be used by policy makers. And we hope that that, of course, we can also support in that in that part of the of the program objectives. Finally, again, from the Kenya delegation level, but I think I can speak also from my Brussels colleagues. Oh, sorry, I'm seeing a message to myself. I'm going to skip that. Finally, from the Kenya delegation and our Brussels colleagues, I think we're we're really ready and available to link this program to to our other existing programs, for example, the cross regional wildlife program, for example, the re greening Africa with trees program, which have a nice application for monitoring landscape restoration and so on. So we're we're really available. Of course, you already have all the contacts of IUCN SOS and so on. But in case there's any any further facilitation or enabling we can do of linking with partners, we're we're here. So with these remarks, I once again express our gratitude for your invitation and wish you successful deliberations today. Thanks. Thank you very much for those inspiring words. We'll jump into the second part of the event, which we look at three things. One details of the project. Then secondly, we'll also hear what officer is building up from the project that was done in 2018. Then that we will hear some elements on how communication and the visibility of some of the products officer will be will be will be designing will be made. Over to you, Ivy and and and Douglas. Thanks, Gugli and thanks, everyone for joining. My name is Douglas Buire working with the Center for International Forestry Research at Best in Nairobi and working with the team and to learn for on this project. So I'll highlight my colleague Ivy about the project and what activities we'll be doing with our partners on the project. Next, please. Next. So this project, basically, we are building up on the prototype of the Eastern and Southern Africa that has been existing that has been hosted at the regional center. And the rationale is to support the improvement and implementation of this particular prototype from the first one by having a reliable system that will assist countries to report on their various obligations. And one of these is the climate obligations that we has been highlighted even before. So one of the key aspects that are required for managers and the country levels is reliable data that can inform management decisions in order to manage landscapes at regional, national and even at the local level. So strengthening these monitoring systems is really key for this to inform these management decisions. So basically one of the key barriers of various barriers that have existed that have hampered monitoring systems is limited technical capacity in various forestry agencies or partners where maybe there is not enough capacity to collect data on forest and other resources. Also lack of capacity to analyze this data and identify the trends that are emerging from this data. And also sometimes there's that negative attitude where which campus that are sharing and therefore does not enable sharing or analysis which can finally lead to decisions. Next, please. So based on these limitations of these barriers, this project will support the national and regional tracking of the performance under the various obligations. And one of these is the Paris Agreement and the AFRI 100. So that's basically what the current project will support. And the project will be for a period of 36 months from August 2020 last year and it will go up to August 20, 23. We are covering five countries. This Ethiopia, Kenya, Mozambique, Tanzania and Uganda. And we are also contributing to the SDGs which are highlighted there. So I'll leave my colleague Ivi who will go into the details about the key activities and what we implement. Ivi, thank you. Thank you, Douglas. My name is Ivi Amugune and I work with the Center for International Forestry Research and I am part of the AFRI project. So concerning the background of AFRI, these second phase builds up from recommendations received from the first phase. And the key elements identified for a functioning observatory system is governance structure, which includes the rules, data sharing policies, frameworks, etc. We have system of incentives. We have funding. We have capacity building and lastly collaborations. Next, slightly in governance. In governance structure, we'll be focusing on data sharing policy and frameworks, which will which will show on mechanisms to control access and accountability, etc. And we also look at memorandum of understandings contracts, which is needed for coordination and collaborations. Specifying roles and responsibilities for the different actors in the data chain, etc., and also for data contribution by various actors to the observatory and also communication strategy. Next slide, please. The second, which is system of incentives will have to motivate the actors to contribute data and this will be based on stakeholders and actors' needs. For examples, as shown in the slide, we'll address pressing policy and management issues. We have value addition aspects, which include country specific indicators or thematic areas, etc. Next slide, please. Funding will look at data generation process, capacity building, facilitation of meetings, to like supplement supplementing their budgets, especially for data that isn't available and also collaboratively mobilizing funds to support this. And then on capacity building, which will be tailored to actors' needs, we'll look into training, upgrading existing equipment, learning platform, assistance with recruiting new staff, etc., facilitation to attend conferences, exchange visits to partner states for learning, etc., etc., next slide, please. Collaborations will look into engagement with actors and involve them from the beginning, which will look at a bottom-up approach and this will look into developing relationships, building trust and goodwill, creating awareness about the project. It will also look into a network for data generation and analysis, which will look into identifying and working with actors with authority and power to mobilize these other actors and their agenda, particularly with political bodies to create this network, which will include multiple actors at various levels and will have mandated institutions in the sector for continuous data flow and lightning activities, etc., etc., for the plans of the institutions. And then we look into linkages with similar initiatives to reduce duplication of efforts. Next slide, please. For key results, we'll have two results. The first result will be development of a sustainable government framework and the second one will be human capacities in terms of management, use of environmental information to be strengthened, etc., etc., next slide, please. This matrix just shows the activities against the respective results and the expected outputs, of which I believe are to cut time short. You'll personally look into them later on. And the last thing is the theory of change. For the theory of change, for all these activities, we aim at having impacts on availability of better regular and more systematic information on forest trends of threats and better environmental and socio-economic decision-making and reduction of deforestation and reduction in deforestation. So for the theory of change, I'll leave it to my colleague Douglas to delve into it. Thank you. Thank you. So just basically one final comment that I'd like to make is that we have a monitoring and evaluation framework that has been developed, that we use to monitor our theory of change and also on how to implement the daily activities under the project. So to make it a living, that the theory of change to be a living document, we have an M&D framework that we're using. So basically that ends our presentation about the project. Take back to Boogie. Thank you. Thank you very much, Ivy and Douglas, for that overview of the project. We'll now hear from Eric, who will talk about what officer is building up on from the first phase, which was done from 2016 to 2018. Over to you, Eric. Thank you, Boogie and the rest of the joint meeting. My name is Eric Obile. I work at RCMRD, that is Regional Center for Mapping of Resources for Development, and I am also part of the officer project. So officer two is actually building from the officer one project that was done between the year 2016 and 2018. Next slide. Officer one had actually established relationships and partnerships with the organizations and institutions in the member countries, in the countries that are involved in the project. And these institutions are in Kenya, we have the Kenya Forest Service, which is a focal point institution that link with the project. Then the second one in Uganda, we have National Forest Authority, that is also the focal point institution. In Tanzania, we have the Tanzania Forest Service, which is the focal point institution in Tanzania. In Mozambique, we have the National Directorate of Forests, and officer two is actually seeking to establish a relationship and collaboration with the Ethiopian Environment and Forest, Forest and Climate Change Commission, institution in Ethiopia, which will be the focal point institution in regards to this project. Over and above these institutions, the project will also establish other relationships with the other institutions. We have other institutions actually in the Ministry of Environment in those respective countries that already have some kind of relationship with the implementing partners, and the project will take advantage of the existing relationships to establish new collaborations with those other institutions in the Ministry of Environment. Next slide. What is contained in the observatory is that officer one had actually developed a prototype which actually provided very critical and crucial information. And for example, there is information about the trends in the forest cover. As you can see, there's a graph there that is showing the forest cover between 1990 and 2015. So officer two will be seeking to actually update that information about the forest cover to be current up to this year, which is and this year, which is 2021 and the other years that are coming. The other critical information that the project is providing, the observatory we have is actually the link between the forest and the people. So the prototype actually provided critical information about the importance of the forests to people in terms of employment and even the economic value of the forests to even the individual countries. So officer two will seek to dig into this kind of research and even provide more information about how the forests are impacting the people's livelihood. Then another important information is about the drivers of deforestation and degradation. So officer one had actually identified the drivers of deforestation and degradation. Those drivers are there, Khabar Krikachar, Marsha Logan and Chakal, Woodfuez, forest fires, infrastructure extensions and population growth. Officer two will seek actually to do more research about the drivers of deforestation and degradation and this information is very important in actually helping to manage the forests and to make decisions that relates to forest management and conservation. Other kinds of information that there are so many other information that the project will seek to provide that we have not mentioned, but there is more information about the forests that will be provided by the project. Next slide please. So the project will actually link with the countries over and above the regional focus of the project. The project will also link with individual countries and ask them to identify the exact needs and challenges that they have in relation to forests. We have some of the forests or parts of the forests in those countries that may have very high interest. So the project will actually ask those countries to suggest or give those kinds of forests, which we have called hotspots. So the project will map those hotspots and provide very critical information that the countries can then use in decision making in regards to forest management. Next slide please. Officer two is actually seeking to partner with existing projects, most of which are being funded by European Union and implementing partners of officer two are actually two. We have the C4 and RCMRE and C4 and RCMRE actually have links with some of the projects that are doing at the moment. And these projects are like Bioparma. Bioparma's focus is actually on protected areas, which has a very close relationship with the forests. So the officer project will actually seek to is seeking to partner with the Bioparma projects and will benefit from even the implementing partners of Bioparma, who are IUCN, who are involved in actually conservation of environment. We are also linking with the UNWCMC. We have the EUJRC, EGAD, IOC, ESE and SADIC. And even the national governments of the 24 participating countries of the Bioparma projects. So by partnering with the Bioparma, officer will actually benefit so much in terms of the relationships and the collaborations with these organizations. First, I also partner with OFAC, including the partners of the OFAC, who are Comifac, RAPAC and EUJRC and even R.I. double FEC organizations. And therefore will even benefit from what they have to offer in regards to forestry, forest management and transportation. The other project that the officer will be partnering with is GMS and Africa. GMS and Africa is a project that seeks or focuses on land productivity and wetlands. And as you know, wetlands and land productivity relates or they have very close relationship with forests. And therefore partnering with this project will actually help officer in actually delivering on the projects and it will be these organizations and projects are very critical in the success of the projects. With that, that ends my presentation. Thank you so much. Thank you, Eric, for that. Presentation on the way we are building up from the first phase. We'll hand over to Arthely Gonzalez to talk about how the communication and visibility of the project will be achieved. Over to you, Arthely. Thank you, Kuki. Good morning, everyone. As we said, my name is Arthely Gonzalez and I'm responsible for the communications of this project. I won't bore you presenting you the whole communications and visibility strategy. If you're curious, however, please do not hesitate to contact me and I can share with you and we can exchange. So for today's presentation, I'm just going to present a couple of highlights that I think are important for you to know and what we're planning to do. Perhaps the most important is a flagship publication of FESA that is foreseen under this project. This will be a key output that will be co-developed in collaboration with all partners. And the aim is to have a single publication with comparable multi-country information on priority teams that can provide a regional overview of the state of the forest. So, well, the structure and the timeline and the process to develop this publication is not yet set. We are planning consultations with countries, regional economic communities and the EU to make sure that this is a participative process and that everybody's needs are integrated into this publication. One thing that is worth highlighting under the prototype of FESA we did a brief overview of the main challenges facing Eastern African forests, which can be accessed here. You have a screenshot, but it can be accessed on a FESA's website. So, the idea that also gives us a baseline from which we know already what information, what regional information is available or not that gives us a basis to build on and develop this more comprehensive publication. And this is inspired by a publication that already exists in the Congo Basin called also the State of the Forest, which is developed by OFRAC, the Central Africa Forest Observatory. And then over the years has become a well-established regional publication. It's deathless to go to find the most updated information of forests. And this is what we are aiming to to do with this publication for Eastern Southern Africa. Well, there have I will not stop on this. I will go through this in the next slide. But we have already identified certain initial topics that are yet to be discussed with you, but that perhaps will be touched on this publication. And the next step for the development of the State of the Forest is to get your feedback on these priority themes. So after this event, you will receive in your mailboxes a brochure, which there you have a screenshot of the cover that explains a little bit more this publication. It also explains what the proposed priority topics are. And overall, it just gives more information on what are of us expected contributions. And the objectives of the project. And another activity that I would like to highlight. We are currently in the process of updating the Office of Website. So if you go to the to the address that is here, sorry, apps. RCMRD, et cetera. There you will be able to find all everything that was produced during the prototype. We're now in the process to simplify everyone to have access to all this information, where we're adding the domain of FESA.net. So it's much easier to remember. You can type that and you will have access to all the information. But we're also in the process of updating everything that is there to reflect the new priorities to reflect what this new Office of Project aims to do. And of course, also includes a new country that joined this new phase. This should be done by by the middle of the year. So by summer. And well, we will notify you once it's ready. And we would very much welcome your feedback. This website has to be user centric or aiming to have a place where you can easily find information where you can easily navigate and and and find exactly what what you're looking for. We would, well, at the end we would welcome your comments on how to always constantly improve these these features and how to make it more accessible for everyone. And final comment on the website is we're also adding a new section which will allow us to keep you updated on the different activities of the project. And we are adding a newsletter or mailing feature so you can also get all the latest updates to your mailbox. And well, if I would ask to have a take away from this presentation, it would be that, well, of Esa is not just about producing data, but it's also about making it accessible. It's about making people accessing it, helping them and make it easy to find and that people can use it for policymaking for their projects, for any kind of processes to improve course governance. So the goal for communications is to, in general, be user centric to meet your needs to tailor to to the users to the people who need this information. So your feedback, your suggestions are always welcome. We can always adapt the communication strategy. We can always come up with new things to make sure that you are getting what you need in terms of information. And back to you, Kuki. Thank you for that. And I think that is the end of the second part of the presentations on what the project is all about and how they visibility and and the communication will be done. We'd like to open the floor to any questions or any feedback that that you might be having. As you prepare, maybe a question, there is one comment that from Richard of Kenya and Dagni, they were asking if we could share the presentation. Indeed, yes, the presentation will be shared after the after this event, as well as the brochure that talks about what the project is all about. There is also another question that came through on by by by Tariq and the project work with other institutions other than the one who manage forests. Douglas or Eric, would you want to pick that question? Thank you, Gogi. Yes, yes, yes, the project will likely seek to establish no relationships with the other institutions that may not really be in line with forests but in the field of environment and conservation. Yes, yes. Thank you. Thank you. So the floor is open. Anyone who has a question or a comment the floor is yours. Yeah, Gogi, can I start? Please. Actually, it's a very good initiative. Of course, I had no information with this office. I was going on since 2016, but it's good to hear it's good to hear that you have such a great initiative. From the name, I was expecting that I think this project was going to support capacity of countries in terms of, you know, you know, I think their capabilities in in, you know, in playing with this special data collection and analysis and, you know, training people and so on, so that it will help really very important programs like Red Plus or FLR and so on. So but from the presentation, what I see is that you want really to focus on streamlining data from countries and you know, trying to share among them, you want really like a template that will generate, you know, comparable data among countries. I think that the issue is that most countries in eastern southern Africa, I believe, like it's true in Ethiopia that we don't have really the baseline that that is agreeable data in terms of cover or even trends changes in our forest cover. So I think we need to work on that and we need to have a solid really support on equipment, staff and systems and governance in place before we can really share a useful and meaningful data among countries. So I am hoping that this will be your focus I hope in the future. I may have misunderstanding, but this is what I gathered from the presentation presentations made so far. Thank you. Yeah, thank you yet for that question. Perhaps I could also comment on that. One of the things that officer will be doing is to directly engage with the countries to identify what are their priorities and the needs that they want to do. And if one of the areas that the countries would want to pursue is on issues to do with capacity when it comes to spatial data collection and analysis, we will work on that. In the earlier presentation from Eric he indicated also there will be an opportunity of mapping of hotspot areas. These will give the countries an opportunity to really identify which area would they want to have some sort of ground groundwork being done at the at the at the at the at the community side. So I think when we shall start the engagement with the countries, then it will be easy for us to identify what will be the needs. Thank you for that question. Khalidan has asked a question on it's a great initiative that can result to boost the country watching, especially in the follow-up sector. So the question is that will the project address or support the production or access to new data new data types or sources? For example, high resolutions satellite data and LiDAR data for citizen science. Paolo, would you want to take that question, please? Yes, well, the short answer is yes, but it depends really on the on the on the needs that will be expressed by the the participants and the countries themselves. The idea behind the hotspot is exactly that one, whether in terms of using citizen science or using the capacities of from new apps that can be used by the people themselves locally or by the institutions working locally. And then if there is a need for better satellite images or better analysis, that's exactly where these exchanges should happen between the regional center, ourselves and the countries themselves. And then we see how those hotspot can feature into the overall objectives. Thank you for that. Anyone else who has a question or a comment? May I raise a question? Guguay, I think what is the difference between GMS and going on project monitoring sector? I see a question from my brother. Yeah, good question, my brother. GMS, of course, we know it's the project that is funded and it's spearheaded by the African Union Commission. So the forest monitoring looks at at the the region and it focuses on collecting and collecting of information regarding monitoring of forest. Whereas, first, we'll be looking at building a wider database and seeing how this information can be shared to various partners, not just in the forest sector, but also in other sectors and also trying to come up with products that the region can use for decision making. Like, for example, the state of forest report in Eastern Southern Africa, as well as trying to harmonize the various data sets that we do have in the region, with the focus of also going a little bit into mapping of the hotspot areas that the countries would want to have a clear understanding on what is going on in that particular place. Thank you. Tariq, you had a question? Yes, I had a question. It is a prototype platform is available. So if so, could you please share the link we can choose on that to give our commenters and our interest on that? Thank you. Thank you. We will share the link of the prototype or the link of it when we are sharing the presentation, as well as the brochure that we have promised to share. Any other question? May I I'm not too much. I'm going to call it of course in the process of the college dean. Thank you very much for this very nice presentation about the project. To give you some background, we are working with the European Environment, Forest and Climate Commission, especially on national MRP, capacity building aspect. Also, we are working on data, spatial data and project structure. Currently, we are about to sign a data sharing protocol with the commission. One very interesting thing, which I see from the project is you are also working in more or less in that thing. As a Forestry College, we are working on, we have different programs, GIS, Forest Monitoring and also others. Is there a possibility to also be part of really this data sharing and so that we can use it for national capacity building as factors for research, for education and as a life. Thank you very much. Thank you Motuma for that question and the feedback and what you do in your institution. We'll definitely link up with the institution and as well as seeing how the elements of data sharing among the products that we'll be coming up with will be channeled. Thank you for that suggestion and comments. Any other question and seeing a comment from Kasa, I think it's a it's a talk on the agency that they have been working on the modalities of data sharing. Anyone from the Ethiopian Special Agency? Anyone from the Ethiopian Special Agency? Or Hapte, do you want to ask a question? If you. Oh, OK, sorry. My name is my name is do you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Yeah, just as you we are working related to your special data. We do have a policy just we are going on to complete same. We will make it share all available data for future. Thank you, my brats. I'll take one or two more questions. There's a steel room for one or two one and one and two questions, please. I speak. Please. Again, I'm Julio from Ethiopian Environment on the first such institute. From the presentation from the beginning, I heard that the project will look also into wildlife sanctuaries or wildlife areas and then cross border movements of wildlife that will be really very much important for countries which are wildlife areas in common. And also not only management of forests, but the forest gains from agroforestry, the forest gains from first landscape restoration, I think could be addressed also in this project. If I am correct. Yeah, thank you, doctor. Again, for that, I think you are right in what you have indicated. These are some of the things that we want to engage the country at a deeper level so that we really understand the various initiatives and the various ways in which we could link up and partner. And thank you very much for sharing that comment. There is room for one more question before we go to the closing remarks. Can I come in? Please, Kasa. Yes, I just would like to really thank all participants and also the two major institutions for taking up this important initiative. My suggestion will be for you know, participants from the TPSI to probably meet again among ourselves and probably articulate what we have as experiences to share. I think it is too early, probably they need time to digest it and see the opportunities they would get from this project as well. And to also make our expectations, you know, aligned with projects, you know, activities and resources. So my suggestion will be if Dr. Kubru from the commission could actually organize a kind of a separate meeting to to see how we can, you know, articulate, you know, what needs to be done in Ethiopia and what they could benefit from. Yeah, thank you, Kasa. Thank you, Kasa, for that question. And we appreciate for the for the comments. With that, we want to really close the session for question and answer, but we'll, of course, get an opportunity to talk more offline. Over to you, Myra, for the closing remarks from the E. Thanks very much. Thanks so much for the interesting presentations. And thanks also for the good discussion. I think it was it was really useful. And maybe if I can just conclude from what I've been listening to and what what has been said and maybe my own little additional comments, I just have three points that I wanted to make, maybe three challenges as now as we start implementing the officer. First question is really the point that was made by the last speaker from Ethiopia is how can how can officer really make sure that you work to the needs of the nationally mandated institutions? So how can it's a challenge to you for you to think about, but to really make sure that if if you interview, for example, Kenya Forestry Service, they will say the officer is responding to my needs and the things that I wanted to know. That's the first challenge. The second challenge is slightly related, which is that I hope that officer will be able to show how they're directly contributing to measuring the NBC contributions or the AFR 100 contributions or maybe it's the contributions to SDG 13 and 15 in the particular countries. But I think it will be important to make sure that the that the points being measured really clearly contribute again to the national priorities. And this does link to I think what another participant said, which is whether the the only entry point will be the nationally mandated forestry institutions that were mentioned or whether in some cases it might need to be broader, you know, for example, the National Institution or Department monitoring the NBC contribution, for example. So I think that will be one more thing to consider. It seems to me that the state of the forest reports of the updated state of the forest reports with its more participatory approach and the updating of the website are really good starting points. So I'm sure that you'll be well on the way to this. But again, it's the second challenge for you to consider. And then my final challenge is from the EU side. I think that it will be very good if you can reach out with each delegation in each of the five countries and make sure they can be involved to I mean, to the extent they wish to be. But I think for our next seven year programming, the the big sort of buzzword we've been having is that that for development corporation, the idea should be policy first. And by policy first, what we mean is that all our development programs should be contributing to policy dialogue and improve policy at the country level at the partner country level. So this means that EU delegations will want to be a bit more involved in, for example, the dialogue with the nationally mandated institutions, for example, at the the data that you're monitoring to really look at a policy level. I think sometimes in the past we've been seen as just someone who who finances things. And we don't want we don't want to be seen as that, of course, the EU is also a political body and really wishes to be a broader partner in the in the countries that we're to the five countries that will be part of the officer program. So again, I think a little bit more involvement if you can, at at each delegation level will be very much appreciated. So those are my challenges. I think we can also say that there's some very positive elements as well. So obviously you're building on the first pilot part of officer one, you obviously have the existing data, which is on the existing website, which is already very good, the existing partnerships. I know, of course, C4 and ICMID have got very strong and deep partnerships with all the nationally mandated institutions. So you're building on some very good basis. And I think that the work you're doing will also be extremely important and a big priority going forward for all the partners involved. So I think you have a very strong starting point and I wish you every success. Thank you, Mayra, and also everyone for for making time and joining us in this event. We have come to the tail end of it. 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