 Matthew Campbell has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Matthew become a DTNs member at patreon.com slash DTNs This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday June 12th 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane in Salt Lake City with a case of E3 fatigue. I'm Scott Johnson and I'm the shows producer Roger Chang. You can't spell fatigue without three E's at the end at least When you've been covering E3 you recovered at all A little bit. I'm I'm I just kind of scatterbrained. There's so much information Every year that it takes about a day and a half for a tall settle and I think I'm getting there I think this show actually helped me kind of blow out the dust. We're good. Yeah, we only have one very tiny gaming Story in today's episode if you want a good E3 recap Patrick Beja did one yesterday a Scott did one on current geek There's also the monthly video game briefing with Patrick and Scott out there. There's pixels. There's so much so much It's not here not today. Let's start with a few other things. You should know Huawei consumer business CEO Richard you told CNBC that the Matebook X laptop launch is on hold because it relies on Intel chips and Microsoft Software that are restricted for sale to Huawei by the US. It's the first product Cancellation or at least postponement since Huawei was placed on US entity list prohibiting US firms from supplying Huawei without a license You said that the laptop will not be launched as long as Huawei remains on this entity list It's too bad that things good-looking the US Federal Aviation Administration rather awarded Uber the right to test drone delivery of food in San Diego, California We're just in time for Comic-Con maybe Uber completed a test at San Diego State University in partnership with McDonald's And we'll now expand the test to other Uber eats partnered restaurants The restaurants load meals onto the drone which flies to a pre-determined location and That drop-off point is then met by Uber eats drivers who deliver it to the customer Uber eventually wants to land the drone on the Uber eats delivery car itself. Yeah, so they don't have to have a drop-off AMD announced the seven nanometer Radeon 379 dollar RX 5700 and the four hundred forty nine dollar Radeon RX 5700 XT GPUs part of the Navi family welcome Navi both cards have RDNA architecture Which AMD promises to have a 1.25 x performance per clock and 1.25 x performance per watt over the previous generation the RX 5700 XT has 40 compute units with 2,560 stream processors total and both cards have 8 gigabytes of GDDR 6 memory cards should arrive in July More than five million people have signed up for 5G in South Korea. The government says it took 69 days to reach that mark 4G service took 90 or rather 80 days to reach the same level back in 2011 So a lot of adoption going on South Korea about 85 South Korean cities will have 5G connectivity by the end of this year All right, Scott. Let's talk a little more about what's going on with the have I been pwned a database? Well, let's talk about Troy Hunt if that name's familiar. It's because you know, he's tied to it He's announcing he's looking for buyers of his have I been pwned or have you been pwned service? Which compiles a database of leaked usernames and passwords so people can see if their account credentials have been compromised This totally saved me once Hunt launched the database in December of 2013 The service now has over or almost 8 billion records with 3 million people subscribed to notifications commercial subscribers use it to alert members to identify theft and protect online assets from things like Credential stuffing and fraud hunt has been operating it alone That is now looking to sell it to a company emphasizes that he will remain part of it It should remain freely available to consumers and customers and there should be more Disclosable pot. Excuse me should be more Disclosure possible with more people working on it the sale process is referred to as project Salvabard small barred ball barred. Yeah, that's where the the big Dump of seeds is in case the rest of the world dies. We've got a copy of every seed himself Svalbard And so he named it after that because this is like a big dump of important data He's been doing this alone. Yeah since 2013 so poor poor Troy hunt. Let's let's have let's have a round of applause for for taking this on Right and responsibly trying to make sure it can continue when it's Moving past the scale that he can continue to do it himself. There is a business not model You you mentioned it commercial subscribers who want to be alerted to identity theft and and protection against fraud So finding a buyer for it is a good thing if it's the right buyer Yeah, and I wonder who that right buyer would be especially since hunt says I still want to work on this project I just don't want to do it by myself anymore and maybe a company can help grow some of the He mentions disclosures that are possible and maybe there are different revenue streams But it's not like he's like, you know what I'm tired. I don't want to do this anymore I've been doing it for six years it It's it sounds like it's very important to him that he find the right buyer Not just the right price I think it's important for the service to continue to be really important that he does indeed do that because I Don't know even the appearance of it being in the hands of a company who may be one of the security risks that are highlighted in one of the You know breaches that that site helps you know about like it's entirely possible that his company like I don't know I'm throwing names out here, but let's say yahoo just because I feel like saying them bought this Yahoo was breached a couple of times one of the times my name got all hacked up in there And I had to go change a bunch stuff as a result It was really nice to know that but I would I would feel weird Well, I mean I guess it depends on how the company handled it But it feels a little weird if a company owned it that was also the subject of some of the breaches that are in there So I hope he finds Whatever that happy medium is there's got to be some kind of concern security firm or something in the middle ground. That's not Apple Google, you know somebody huge Maybe it's somebody just who has the same desires as he does to keep this kind of security stuff going I can see Microsoft doing this. They've built up a lot of good will It's the kind of thing that people might say okay, maybe Microsoft would do a good job with I could see baby IBM possibly Certainly security firms out there McAfee etc You know Intel owns them. So so there's lots of suspects, but you know who I want to buy it is Mozilla Hmm. I don't know if they have the cash. This is an M&A. It's being handled by VC type people But Mozilla could use this as a way to continue to fund their operations Which they're always looking for new ways to fund their operations We've talked about you know the idea of subscriptions to features in Firefox, etc And it would be nice to have this built-in to Firefox so they could alert you Immediately while you're in your browser and it would be a foundation that that has a lot of trust and good will in the community DJI introduced a toy robot tank called RoboMaster S1 Available now in Japan China and the US for $499 it uses 31 sensors to map its environment and can move in 360 degrees by either using a mobile app or coding it to Move on its own computer vision lets the S1 recognize and respond to gestures and sounds or track objects It can also shoot beads gel beads and they expand in water You know for battles and fun things like that and add on package to be sold separately will include a controller Extra battery and more gel beads it comes disassembled so kids can learn how it works as they put it together He can also be customized and be controlled in scratch 3.0 or Python Yeah, this is a great educational tool and it comes out of a robot battle competition in China Called Robo Master's the DJI was developing things for and they decided to make a mass market version of it And you know kids like to battle robots and this helps them learn to code and have some fun And the gel beads, you know, you can ship a bunch of them real small and then expand them in water To be able to put into the robot for the battles It all it all sounds great Even you learning scratch 3.0 or Python is good, especially Python. I think it's good to help people learn to code Yeah, I think of the just for the price You want a kid who's really gonna love this toy You know because kids can be fickle about this sort of thing. I don't want to build a you know It's it's a but but I know had it had something like this been around When I was at the appropriate age to kind of be learning to code and want to get my hands dirty It would have been at a very cool cool toy I want to be used by schools too You know robot clubs and there's there's already a bunch of that We've interviewed some of the the people who run those on on DTS before I just want to feel be like a secondary market for these beads You know because it doesn't sound like a thing. I can just walk into a REI and that's that's that's your biggest takeaway from the story is the Unconsignment not at all because you guys get all the important stuff I would just say that if you're gonna if you're gonna offer a thing that who's one of its main functions Is that you can have like war games with it? You need to have a way to refill that easily? I don't know what needs are Yeah, can you can you deflate them? Can you dry them out and yeah? Yeah, are they environmentally safe again? I mean I mocked you, but it's a surprisingly practical thought that you're having there I Go ahead. Oh, no, I'm just hoping that it brings on the prices of Lego mindstorms Which have up until now had like a near monopoly on school education slash robotics For kids little competition Google generally releases a new pixel phone in October Which if the pattern holds would lead to a pixel for announcement in a couple of months Among the rumors are that project solely Soli the ability to detect hand and finger movements in 3d space with millimeter accuracy Could be built in to the pixel for There's also been some leaks of cases and form factors nine to five Google However has sources who say that while XD say that yes project solely will be in there an XDA developers found reference to a pixel specific feature Called aware sensor in the beta version of Android Q that aware sensor controls whether to show or hide settings and includes codes for skip and Silence so we think that relates to project solely and you'd be able to like just wave your hand at a phone and silence it After a lot of these rumors really started to pick up speed the Twitter account made by Google tweeted a picture of the pixel for Said here. This is what it looks like Account yeah, but stop looking at bad mock-ups Officially here is the pixel for it shows two rear cameras and a third sensor in a large camera bump on the phones back I think that's hilarious that they're like, you know what fine. Let's we're not gonna pretend like we're gonna keep these secrets till October Here you go. Here's what it looks like Sure We talked earlier about this I'd still need to be convinced that gestures for a phone outside of you know swiping and pressing and All the combinations there of multi-touch and whatever I need to be convinced that I need that stuff because right now I don't I cannot think of a situation where I need to wave at my phone when I could just as easily swipe or What if what if your hands are otherwise occupied? What if you're cooking pasta? Fair enough Wet hands Scott. How about that? That's a really good point. Are you wearing gloves? It's out in the cold You don't have the kind with the haptic whatever the You don't have that the capability. Okay. You got me there Others though. Well, the reason I even bring this up is because this actually happened to me yesterday a couple times So I was making dinner and again, it's just I'm just busy and the phone rang and it's Serious XM they call me like 40 times a day and I don't want to answer the phone And so I went over and I see the number and I'm like stop and then it happened again But this time it was actually a phone call that I did want to Pick up but I didn't because I figured it was just the robocall again. I could also See this as you hear your little text message ding and you just kind of want maybe the speaker to Read it out to you. That would be nice Mm-hmm. What if I could program it? What if what if I'm getting a robocall and I look over and I can see it What if I flip it off and then it just turns off. I just give it the bird. Oh Customized gestures. Yeah, right there. Yeah, and then the thing's forced to just go. Okay, shut down that call We're not gonna take that because that gesture means no phone call Whatever the gesture is and it doesn't have to be rude I I do find it to be a valuable Thing that I would use where I don't have to actually pick it up I know these are the things like how hard is it to just pick up your phone and tap the thing but As busy as we all are these days every little thing that saves us time Just makes your life better and reduces stress. So I'm all for that Tell us about a cool sci-fi stuff going on you flicking something out of the air That's not there to tell your phone to do a thing is very, you know Minority work for lack of a better example if this all comes to fruition I would love to know more details of you know, does the phone have to be at a certain angle Does the phone have to be at you know three feet or less from you because if my phone's in my person In the other room gesturing is not going to do anything for me Well, maybe one day the Google Pixel 4 will become a classic console and they can sell it in a mini form Like Konami has decided to do like the rest of the industry and video games are doing Konami announced a plug-and-play turbo graphics 16 mini yesterday. It's all during E3 Although not part officially of an E3 announce But anyway known as the PC engine mini in Japan and the PC engine core graphics mini in Europe Not to be outdone by classic consoles from Nintendo say again, Sony Konami wants to get on the turbo graphics name and get it out there again This is a side note Konami is only the third or fourth owner of the turbo graphics IP It was originally Hudson soft. They worked with any see this is way back in the day and it's changed hands a few times Konami has them now Anyway, they say that all versions of the system will feature standard functions like quick saves virtual simulated CRT scan lines You can make look at your old TV and the original 4x3 aspect ratio an optional Multi-tap will also be available to allow up to five players simultaneous play So all of you bomber man fans, which is the where that thing originally came from you should be getting excited about that It joins miniature editions of the NES Super NES PlayStation and Neo Geo with a licensed Genesis mini coming in September. These are the confirmed games our type new adventure Island Ninja spirit yes book one and two or guys or have you said Okay, of course Pat. Yeah, like Kanye Oh, yeah, like Kanye Dungeon Explorer and alien crush. That's not a lot and surely probably not the final list I would hope bomber man's on there at least bomber man 93 But anyway, they're getting into the game Tom They're gonna make a tiny console and take advantage of everyone's nostalgia I mean this one's exciting because I think a lot of people were like, oh, I didn't think we'd ever get a turbo graphics You know, it's not one of the the ones you hear. It's not one of the big three, right? It makes me have hope for my mini 3DO someday but I I Wonder we were talking about this before the show I wonder where it ends or if it does or if just you know a few years from now will be getting a mini gamecube Well, here's your answer to your why Roger because people it's gonna be this shifting timeline the nostalgia We have mostly as children Which is where we really glom on to this stuff will be a shifting timeline They will eventually get to a point where n64 kids are gonna go Where's my mini console and then we're gonna get to a place where the the next group of 30 year olds will say What about the Dreamcast? Where's that? It's just gonna keep going, but I don't think they'll just keep going now I think you need had time to pass before those things happen. I mean so this is my complaint It's not the actual hardware. It's mainly the case that's been shrunk down so you're gonna be playing it on on a Essentially an emulator on on a hardware that didn't exist back then true So really you're just dressing it up in nostalgia But you can play these games for the most part on something else and have the exact same experience Not the specific controllers. You're not wrong the SNES example You can get all those Nintendo games in other places virtual consoles and stuff Although right now a lot of them aren't available on the switch So if you want to do it legally your options are more limited If you want to go out and go crazy with the the shady sides of how you can preserve video games Well, sure you got lots of options, but people also like just have the little thing man You put it on yourself. Yeah, some people just buy toys even though they don't play with them Yeah, I think it's gonna be do well I know Tom's mild mocking tone I will get to it when the when my kids are old enough not to eat the pieces It's important to note that the The turbo graphics was not a giant hit here in the States So I don't know how much traction we're gonna get over here, but it did well in Europe and Japan So probably do okay We will have to wait and see Bloomberg reports that Google is moving some production of Nest thermostats out of China to avoid tariffs Google made US-bound server motherboard production has already been moved to Taiwan And now Nest will move to Taiwan and Malaysia as well Google faced a tariff on motherboards because it buys the components and then ships them to the US to build its data centers Rather than buying whole server racks, which are not yet subject to the tariff With strong which makes servers for Facebook and Microsoft said is considering moving some production out of China as well The Wall Street Journal reports that Nintendo was shifting some production of its switch console to Southeast Asia Yeah, so I mean there's really not much to discuss here But there's been a lot of fun out there about Huawei and the US and the tariffs and what effect will it have This is one of the first real tangible effects. We're seeing not speculation not stock price not what if But companies actually moving their manufacturing something somewhere because of the tariffs And that means they think the tariffs will last long enough that it's worthwhile to just move it out of there and avoid it And my guess is once it's moved even if the tariffs do go away these companies won't want to spend the time and money to move it back So it's probably gonna stay outside of China once it's out They're just not moving back to the States like a lot of people think tariffs are meant to do the the idea is that oh Well, we'll get these jobs back in America finally because these tariffs will work well They seem like they're working on these levels Saying that in anything that I was reading Bringing in something you've heard in some other arena into this I have heard a elected official perhaps the highest elected That's what I mean. I think you're bringing your your own acts and grinding it here Well, no and now hold on. I want to actually argue that okay. That's not true at all I've heard him say the words we want to bring these jobs and these products and these things That's a whole separate topic. Well, I'm not I'm just saying if that's if that's the generalization He's gonna throw at us the truth is they're moving just to other parts of Asia Yeah, but the story here is that tariffs meant to hurt China are hurting China. Oh I see what you're saying. Well, neck is short Good job. Good job Tara. You're hurting China Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines comm an art installation in Sheffield, England includes a 16 second video deep fake a Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg That shows him crediting a secret organization with his success The voice isn't Zuckerberg's though. This isn't taking Zuckerberg's voice and making it say something He didn't which could be done. They didn't do that They got an actor to say the thing about I credit all my success to secret societies But the videos body motions and lip sync are realistic They match everything and Zuckerberg didn't actually say this so the installation is actually not meant to fool you It's meant to raise awareness about social media manipulation. The video has been uploaded to Facebook's Instagram with the hashtag Deep fake and Instagram says it will not Remove it a spokesperson told the BBC. Hey, if third-party fact-checkers market is false We'll filter it from Instagram's recommendation surfaces like explore and hashtag pages just like anything else But they're not going to remove it. They wouldn't remove any other thing either The that base they see as not being intentionally deceptive And therefore it's just a matter of marking like oh, no, he didn't really say this in case you're worried about that a Few things first of all not being intentionally deceptive is still going to confuse a lot of people because we know how the internet works And I and I think that if Facebook were to remove This the uproar that Zuckerberg was getting treated in a different way than everybody else all public officials For example celebrities anybody in the public eye the whole deep fake video thing is is a real concern for people Depending on you know if it's humor. Okay, that's one thing if it's designed to To to fool a bunch of people into something that could be detrimental to society That's a whole other thing. So I don't think that Facebook had much of a choice here But I I know Scott you didn't think that the video was all that realistic But I'm telling you people are fooled easily. Yeah, that my mother would have thought this was him Because she doesn't know what he sounds like right and I immediately went that's not even a good impression of Zuckerberg And so easy for me to tell but you're right and it's always a numbers game with this stuff Right like we always say well, I'll never fall for an email phishing scheme, but obviously people do it's a percentage game so They could have even gone more realistic with this and fooled even some of us who didn't know or thought that did sound like him I remember being fooled pretty well by the Jordan Peele Obama one Because he does a really good Obama impression and I and I I was taken by it for a minute Just for a minute, but there are gonna be people that are really taken by it. So you're right I'm I'm totally with you Sarah, but also this is one of those things. It's like Oh, you have this policy. Hey, what if we put your own Mark Zuckerberg in a video and he said stuff now You're gonna keep it up like it's a it's kind of a weird little bet like a like a challenge I I don't know. I mean, I think these folks actually made it because they want to spark a conversation So a little bit of it is a challenge But a little bit of it is just getting people to talk about it because they want to raise awareness To stop people from being fooled which which is a good thing I think if this had included Zuckerberg's voice and did not include the hashtag deepfakes it gets taken down I really do believe that this is a a an example of them Appropriately applying their policy and saying like, yeah, no, they're they're not trying to pretend like this is this is real They put the hashtag deepfake in there So our only responsibility is to make sure we mark it as false So that anybody who doesn't quite get it like you're saying scott We'll have extra information to go like hey, this isn't this isn't real But we shouldn't take it because it isn't intentionally deceptive if it was intentionally deceptive I think they take it down Well, and this installation is supposed to raise awareness, right? So you go, okay Well, that's for the greater good But I think that's a that's a tricky thing because if more and more people are worried that everything is fake which is already a huge problem and companies besides facebook and instagram and twitter's another example and And there was the Nancy Pelosi video that one would say well I don't think you know anybody thought that that was real funny and it did fool a lot of people And it was intentionally meant to fool a lot of people So you have you have a lot of circumstances where if if there is more public awareness of what the tools are And how they can be used and how we can excuse me How we can point them out and and know better great, but that is not an easy task I think this is a very unpopular and I think both of you probably disagree with me and that's fine I think there's faker madness like there used to be reefer madness like there are negatives to marijuana use and and and then there was this like crazy backlash Against marijuana use that made it sound like it was way worse than it is. I think there's yes There's problems with fakery and sometimes people believe sometimes people say they believe even though they don't really And we're not really like sensibly measuring I say this all the time and I apologize if i'm repeating myself What the actual effects of this are and we won't really be able to decide where this line should be drawn until we sensibly measure What the effects are Given all of that though, I think what instagram's doing here is is you know walking that line pretty well Yeah, it still feels like bait to me and I think they're treating the bait properly They didn't take it. They're just doing what they're supposed to and they're applying the thing So I'm with you 100 on that, but I still think it's baity Uh, I think it's meant to be baity. It's baity in the service of awareness and art What you may think is a bad bad thing or you may and we're talking about it. So well And we've now raised awareness. We are art I don't know if I like us, but I know we're art. I know we're not deep fakes. That's for sure We're not we're real. No, we're absolutely. I'm really talking Thanks to everybody who participates in our sub reddit. You're all real too We hope submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com If you want to hang out on facebook join our group if you haven't already facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news share Let's take a look at the mailbag. Let's do it. John said in response to tom's article About it was shannon's article. Oh, it was shannon's article. It was a cross post. Oh, okay Uh, shannon morse. Yes, uh article about ring doorbell community service John says our local police have invited citizens to participate in their security camera registry John lives in san jose california John says like he said that some of these jurisdictions are requiring end users to turn over any footage from said devices when requested Even though that isn't in line with ring's terms of service John links us to the camera registry in san jose. It's at sjpd.org And he says it has the following text any footage containing or related to criminal activity may be collected by the san jose police department for use as evidence during any stage of a criminal proceeding John says I have cameras not ring brand but they do record and I'd love to hope my neighbors catch the bad guys But the any in the above agreement feels a bit broad just letting you know about a citizen wandering the same thing you were Yeah, this is great. John. Thank you for raising this. Uh, if anybody wonders what he's talking about, uh, shannon morse Did a post on patreon about, uh, the ring service being used by the police There's two different things the quote he says some jurisdictions require end users to turn over footage Has to do with the fact that they may have a warrant out And if someone has made the video footage public on the ring service The police may come in with a warrant and say you have to let us have that footage. It's public anyway Uh, there's a separate thing that john's bringing awareness which is a camera registry in san jose That you can sign up for and say yes I would like to contribute footage from my camera to fighting the crimes And if you do that you should know that any footage could be collected for use as evidence during any stage of the criminal proceeding So it's a good thing to be aware of. Thank you john Thank you john. Thanks to everybody who emails us feedback at daily tech news show and thanks to scott johnson Scott where can people keep up with all your fabulous work? Well, they can go to frogpants.com in particular they can uh, like tom said follow all this e3 content that we did patrick beige on i Did all of it 12 hours of conference audio and video and it's all available up there at frogpants.com There are multiple feeds that carry these shows It's a lot So if you're into that world you want to have that video game commentary you want to go deep We have you covered But if you just want a good monthly look at what happened at e3 and why you should care as a tech audience I recommend the mvb mvb g show the monthly video game briefing which is available now I think patrick got the new one up i'm not a hundred percent sure but we recorded this morning And it was great. It was a great summation of what happened at e3 2019 What it may mean for you. 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